Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 11/24/25: News Reporting on Netanyahu and Epstein, Mike Huckabee an Israeli Spy, X Update Exposes MAGA accounts

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Krystal and Saagar joins Jeremy Schaill to talk about Netanyahu sharing Drop Site News reporting on Epstein, Mike Huckabee welcomes an Israeli spy who wanted to nuke America, and a new X update exposes MAGA accounts operated from foreign countries. Jeremy Scahill: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/hamas-palestinian-gaza-plan-trump-netanyahu-israel-ceasefire To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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today, and you'll get access to our full shows, unedited, ad-free, and all put together for you every morning in your inbox. We need your help to build the future of independent news media, and we hope to see you at breaking points.com. All right, let's get to Israel. We've got Jeremy Scahill standing by. Let's get to them. So we've got a lot that's going on with Israel this morning that we are tracking and could put D5 up on the screen. They've now violated the ceasefire. Again, I should say, in Lebanon. This is VO of building in Beirut, southern suburbs, that Israel bombed. They killed at least five people injured 28, according to Lebanon's health ministry, as reported by DropSight News. They say they have assassinated Hezbollah's chief of staff. They are

claiming that they were able to accomplish that. I don't know if we have confirmation from Hezbollah or not. But joining us to break this down, as well as their continued violations of the ceasefire in Gaza is Jeremy Scahill, of course, co-founder of Dropsite News. Great to see you, Jeremy. Good to see you, ma'am. Great to be back. Thank you. Yeah, of course. So let's start with Lebanon. What do we know about what happened here and give a little bit of context about how routinely Israel has been violating this ceasefire? Well, let's remember that there supposedly has been a ceasefire in Lebanon for roughly the past year. And Israel has just repeatedly violated it, continuing to carry out heavy bombings. I mean, many Lebanese civilians have died. And what we've seen happen over the past couple of days is that despite this ceasefire to which Hezbollah is a party, Israel has continued to target commanders of Hezbollah. And I just emphasize that because when you sign a ceasefire, you're signing a ceasefire

between two armed parties. And so in the case of Gaza, the party that Israel signed its ceasefire with is in fact Hamas. And yet Israel continues to conduct these operations where they're killing commanders of the Qasan brigades. Israel's killed more than 340 Palestinians in Gaza since October 10th. when this ceasefire was put into place, the majority of those are women and children, but they are, in fact, continuing to target the armed combatants on the other side of this

ceasefire deal. Now, anytime Palestinians are accused of firing at Israeli troops, the portrayal of it is, oh, my God, Hamas is violating the ceasefire, but this is Israeli policy. You know, the late Palestinian poet Rafat Al-Air, who was assassinated by Israel, said that when they sign these agreements, it means you cease and we fire. So what we're saying, seeing is Netanyahu, while Trump is projecting this idea that he's implemented this peace agreement that's the greatest thing to happen in the Middle East in millennia, you know, he called it one of the great moments in civilization. You have Netanyahu clearly concerned that actually some form of a ceasefire will maintain. And so he's serving as his role that he's perfected

as the arsonist in chief in the region. And we're seeing this happening in both Lebanon and certainly in Gaza on a daily basis since October 10th. Yeah. So speaking, of Netanyahu, one of the craziest developments I've ever seen, B2, guys, let's put it up here on the screen, is Bibi Netanyahu sharing a Jacobin article about Jeffrey Epstein claimed to a medal in Israel's elections, which references DropSight reporting. Jeremy, I just, you know, Dropside co-founder, what is your reaction here and break down some of the reporting that you guys actually put out and why Bibi seems to be entranced by it? You know, this is a story also that has not, for the most part, penetrated the broader corporate media or the Western media at all.

My colleagues, Ryan Grimm and Mertaza Hussein, have just been churning out expose after exposé. And, you know, even some people in the alternative media landscape are mischaracterizing what they're actually reporting and saying that it's this salacious gossip thing and sort of comparing it, you know, to rushagate, you know, hysteria. This is very serious reporting that is showing these deep ties that Jeffrey Epstein had to very powerful individuals in Israel. Ehud Barak, the former Israeli prime minister, has been at the center of a number of these reports showing his connections to Jeffrey Epstein, Mossad figures who were staying at Epstein-linked properties, Epstein weighing in and advising on Israeli electoral politics, which is what caused. Netanyahu to come out and post a Jacobin article, which is extraordinary. And in the Hebrew language press, people are sort of losing their mind about this and saying, you know, Netanyahu, you know, is so desperate to sort of distract from, you know, his other narratives that he's even willing to put forward stories from quote unquote anti-Israel news outlets. But this is very serious reporting

that Ryan Grimm and Murtaza Hussein are doing. And it's really malpractice that other major news organizations are not focusing on this. They're going straight for some of the other things that are newsworthy, and this is all sort of being distilled through the lens of Capitol Hill politics. But we're showing, yet again, that someone who was in contact with Bill Clinton, someone who was in contact with Donald Trump, someone who was in contact with very powerful people in both corporate and government entities in the United States, was simultaneously in communication with the power brokers in Israel and clearly had ties to Israeli intelligence. Yeah. It's crazy. It's so crazy. Yeah, I mean, what could be more important than understanding these

dimensions of power that are usually invisible to the public, whether it's the American public or the global public, and to get a window into these emails back and forth in the way these deals are being done, I mean, it's hard for me to think of what topic you could explore that would be more significant, more consequential, to your point about the freak out of this B.B. Netanyahu's sharing of a Jack of a. article, which is a pretty wild thing. Former Prime Minister Ehud Barak, who, of course, is the subject and whose email inbox was the one that was hacked, which is why Ryan and Maz have been able to do so much of this

reporting. He actually got asked a question about this and responded to it. Let's go ahead and play D3. The publication was in a kind of publication named Jacobin or something like this, which is an extremely anti-Semitist and extremely anti-Israeli publication. I wonder how it comes that the prime minister found the time to identify. Probably it was held by his son who spent his time now, not in the front, but in Miami. And the whole story is nonsense.

You know, it's probably Epstein tried to aggrandize a little bit his role and his activities and so on. I regret of ever meeting him. I was quite friendly with him for years, met many times on business issues and others. This story of intervening in Israeli election is total nonsense. Classic, to frame them as anti-Semitic, of course. Well, also, you know, when you're desperate, when you've been exposed, what you try to do then is attack the messenger, implying that facts are not facts because of the news outlet where they happen to be published. And I should say, by the way, that, you know, Jacobin does very rigorous journalism.

And certainly the stories that we've been doing for a drop site have been fact-checked. They've been legally reviewed. We go for comment to the relevant parties involved. Ahud Barak has refused to offer any comment on this. So the facts are going to speak for themselves, as in all responsible journalism, they should. So, you know, whether Barack wants to actually take this on or he wants to minimize his relationship with Epstein, I think that his own emails tell a story. that is very devastating for him and speaks to something much broader about the cozy relationship that Jeffrey Epstein had to power brokers across continents.

I think what's so fascinating to me about this entire story is how the Israelis are currently feuding amongst themselves over whether Epstein was an Israeli asset. But the U.S. media is ignoring all of this work. And I think the reason why it's important at a more meta level is for what we began this with is that Israel is currently violating. This Lebanon ceasefire, we also have, I believe we have some of the reports here about this most recent attack in Gaza, D6. Can we put that up there on the screen? I mean, they just launched strikes in Gaza in, quote, latest test of ceasefire as some 24 Gazans were killed. So, Jeremy, even this

tenuous ceasefire is not sticking, and the strikes at the very least are continuing at a much lower level. Yeah, imagine if, sorry, imagine, imagine, imagine, imagine, imagine if Hamas had killed 24 Israelis. Do you think it would be a test of the ceasefire? Anyway, go ahead, Jeremy. Yeah, I mean, what, what, what we're seeing here is that, you know, Trump essentially saved Israel from itself when he pushed through this deal. You know, Israel had totally failed to, uh, to cause a surrender of the Palestinian resistance. Uh, the Qasambricades and Soraya Al Quds and the broader armed resistance in Gaza didn't wave the white flag. They were still holding 20 Israeli captives, and Israel killed a number of its own captives over the two years of the genocide. Those Israeli captives were not going to be released by military force. Trump put a big emphasis on wanting to get them freed for his own reason. I think Trump genuinely didn't understand the Nobel Peace Prize process, and I think he thought he was going to sort of get in under the wire and force this deal so that he could pick up the Nobel Peace Prize, even though the voting had already happened. and he wasn't up for it, you know, in this round. But also this constellation that we've talked about on this program before, of these corporate

and business interests involving the Trump family business, the Trump organization, money from Arab Gulf states. But what I would say in the broader sense is that this so-called peace agreement is a net positive for Israel and Netanyahu because Netanyahu was facing indictment by the international criminal court. He had his own criminal proceedings that are still unethical. underway inside of Israel. Israel wasn't militarily actually winning the war against Gaza. What it was succeeding in doing was mass murdering large numbers of Palestinians overwhelmingly women and

children. And what Trump is doing here is twofold. On the one hand, they're trying to rebrand what Israel has done over the past two years of this genocide as somehow the precursor to this epic piece. And he went to the Knesset. He gave this kind of reverse Nuremberg Tribunal performance, where it was the war criminals celebrating themselves. And Israel's War of Annihilation Agenda is going to continue in a rebranded format. And now they're saying that the main issue is we need to disarm the Palestinians. Trump pulled off an enormous diplomatic coup by getting the United Nations Security Council to endorse his so-called Board of Peace.

What this is is the UN authorizing Trump to be commander-in-chief of what is almost certainly going to be a largely privatized military force that is going to deploy in Gaza with a central mission of disarming the Palestinians. This is a huge victory for Israel also because Israel, which constantly attacks the United Nations, can say, now the UN Security Council has said the Palestinians need to bend the knee. The Palestinians don't actually have a right to armed resistance. And so what I think we're going to see now is this huge push demanding that the Palestinians disarm. I just got done. speaking to a wide range of leaders from Palestinian resistance factions, both armed and unarmed.

And what I think we're seeing is that with the exception of Mahmoud Abbas, who has single-digit popularity from the Palestinian Authority, he endorsed this move at the UN Security Council. Every single other Palestinian faction is rejecting it right now. And so this is going to call the question on it. If Trump actually wants there to be a lasting peace agreement, they need to back off of this colonialist agenda. Whether Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad are sort of gone from the scene is irrelevant to this history. There's going to be other groups that are going to rise up. One bit of nuance here, though, that I want to report to you guys, when I was speaking to

Muhammad al-Hindi, who is one of the co-founders of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, one of the most senior Palestinian resistance figures still alive and participated directly in the negotiations, and I asked him about this issue of disarmament. He said something interesting, which is that if you establish a Palestinian state and you have a Palestinian armed force capable of defending itself, you won't have a need for Islamic jihad or Hamas. But he also said that they told Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner very clearly that they are open to something that is akin to a sort of decommissioning process. That is that if you had a UN peacekeeping force coming in, separating the Israelis from the Palestinians and stopping the genocide, standing in the middle,

and you established a Palestinian force, it could even be a police force, and it could even be under the control of the Palestinian authority, which has endorsed Trump's plan, that they would engage in a long-term truce with Israel, where any weapons that appear on the street from someone, that that that individual could be arrested, that they would shut down the training sites, and that they would make a long-term commitment that the resistance would not use its weapons. If you actually want to preserve Palestinian rights and you also want to achieve an idea that there isn't going to be armed groups running around with weapons. The Palestinians have a very moderate position on this that no one ever wants to talk about. It's this maximalist position of

Israel, which isn't actually even about the guns. Because we're talking about very small arms that are overwhelmingly homemade inside of Gaza. Israel is using this as a proxy to try to win the surrender of the Palestinian cause, something it hasn't been able to do militarily for 77 years. So, you know, if there's any U.S. negotiators watching this, I suggest you actually listen to the nuance of what the Palestinians are saying because it's not a secret. And their position, quite honestly, is a very reasonable one, given the fact that there's been this genocide. But telling the people that have had a genocide committed against them, now is the time that you have to be stripped of all of your weapons is just a sick sentiment that is being foisted upon the Palestinian people right now. And it's not a serious negotiating position. Interesting. All right, Jeremy.

Control room. Let's put Jeremy's reporting up on the screen here as the first element in the block. And, you know, Jeremy, you can tell me the headline you have here is weapons of willpower, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad on Trump's Gaza plan. And people really need to go and read this. First of all, you have sort of the TikTok of how this deal came to be and what the thinking was from the Palestinian resistance factions, how they're viewing the quote unquote ceasefire at this point, the sort of gamble that they took in deciding to make this deal and what their current thinking in position. is now. But in a sense, and you could tell me if I'm wrong about this, I'm sort of getting like Abraham Accord vibes where there's this, oh, we've achieved peace in the Middle East and you're just completely pretending like the Palestinians don't exist anymore, like they're not going to have any kind of a say in what the final outcome is here. And of course, you know, we saw

the way that that thinking all blew up on October 7th. You know, is that kind of the picture is we're just going to pretend like these people don't exist and don't really have a say? and we're just going to bulldoze forward and pretend like we've achieved some sort of monumental Middle Eastern peace without working out any of these more difficult details? Yeah, of course. I mean, and my colleague Jawa Ahmed and I interviewed major Palestinian resistance figures from both Hamas and Islamic Jihad. And I would just say that it is journalistic malpractice on the part of Western news organizations not to conduct these kinds of interviews. It's also a disservice to the public because when you actually speak to Palestinians that are often demonized and dehumanized.

humanized in the media, primarily those that represent the armed resistance factions in Hamas, you get a very different sense of what their position is than when you just allow it to be filtered through the microphone of Netanyahu or unfortunately even Steve Whitkoff. And so, you know, what we tried to do was basically say, this is a real story and we should understand what their position is. And what they're saying to us is that almost all of the discussions happening about what should happen in Palestine are taking place without actually speaking to the Palestinians who are going to be impacted by it or need to sign up for any agreement. It seems like they want to just try to make a deal not even involving Mahmoud Abbas,

but using the fact that he's head of the Palestinian Authority, when you have a wide range of Palestinian factions that have agreed on a set of principles that are a sound basis for negotiating. So if I, as an independent journalist, can seek out these people and talk to them to just fact check what is their actual position, then U.S. negotiators should be doing the same on a regular basis before announcing to the world decisions they've made on behalf of an occupied people or that's going to be imposed on an occupied people. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Jeremy. Incredible reporting, as always. We appreciate you, man. Thank you guys. Keep up

the great work. Thanks. Hi, Kyle. Could you draw up a quick document with the basic business plan? Just one page as a Google doc and send me the link. Thanks. Hey, just finished drawing up that quick one page business plan for you. Here's the link. But there was no link. there was no business plan. It's not his fault. I hadn't programmed Kyle to be able to do that yet. My name is Evan Ratliff.

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I'd made AI agents before for my award-winning podcast, Shell Game. This season on Shell Game, I'm trying to build a real company with a real product run by fake people. Oh, hey, Evan. Good to have you join us. I found some really interesting data on adoption rates for AI agents and small to medium businesses. Listen to Shell Game on the IHeart Radio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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So if we watched the Friday show, you would have known Jonathan Pollard, a convicted traitor to the United States. He was an American citizen. He was working for the U.S. security establishment. He sold secrets to Israel. Israel sold many of those secrets to the Soviet Union, endangering a lot of U.S. national security imperatives at the time. He was caught.

He was convicted. He spent some 30 years in the United States prison system. He was released. After his release, he was actually granted special release from his parole conditions by the Trump administration. And Miriam Adelston herself had her jet fly him to Israel, where he got a hero's welcome. He's attained citizenship there.

While he's been enjoying his time in Israel, his country that he has chosen himself, he, in fact, recently in July, got an invitation from the United States ambassador, Mike Huckabee. So he set foot back on U.S. soil in the U.S. Embassy of Jerusalem. And while he was there at the U.S. Embassy's Jerusalem, he confirmed his meeting with Mike Huckabee. He thanked Mike Huckabee for advocating for his release while he was a convicted traitor to the United States. and perhaps they discussed a few other things. And we just wanted to give everyone a taste of who Mr. Pollard is. So here he is in a recent interview where he says that if the United States threatens a ceasefire on Israel and forces them to accept a ceasefire, they should consider nuking the United States of America. Let's take a listen.

I said, well, I believe that the O'Biden administration, as I called it, did threaten us. But I said, you're mistaken if you think there's never a choice. There was a choice. He said, well, what? Is it to have our weapons cut off? I said, no, let me bring you back to October 1973 during the Um Kippur War when Henry Kissinger instituted an arms embargo against us. He stopped the aerial resupply of our army at that point to extract diplomatic concessions from us. And what happened? What happened was, um, At A4 Skyhawk was parked at Telnoff Air Base with some interesting weapons under its wings. And we told the Americans, take your eye in the sky and take a good look at the airplane that's on that runway. And the next day, the airlift started. So the guy that I was talking. Which airlift?

to Israel, the arms air. So in other words, we threatened their... We threatened to use unconventional weapons. I'll leave it at that. And so he said, is this what you want us to threaten now? I said, absolutely, except this time I want us to go forward with it if necessary. If they think we're bluffing, we go forward with it. Look, in turn...

Wait, some people might look at this and hear you saying these things and say, he's a dangerous dude. He could, you know, blow up the entire Middle East. Well, I guess people really haven't been keeping their eyes open since October 7th because the whole Middle East has blown up. So that's who we're dealing with. Yeah, I mean, by the way, my favorite part of that video is he's still pretending Israel doesn't have nukes, like nuclear ambiguity, like some interesting weapons. I'm like, Jonathan, we all know that you, we know you have nuclear weapons, brother. You know, it's one of those where... I like the part where she's like, some might say, this is dangerous.

Like, yeah, you think so? But this is the guy that our ambassador has decided to spend his time with. This man, it's, I mean, it's completely insane. And by the way, Trump condoned it. He condoned it. Let's play that. From the White House podium, they condoned this meeting. Let's take a listen.

The ambassador Mike Huckabee had a meeting with Jonathan Pollard, a former U.S. who was convicted and spent three decades in jail for selling state secrets to Israel. Did the White House know that that meeting was going to happen? Does the administration condone it? The White House was not aware of that meeting, but the president stands by our ambassador, Mike Huckabee, and all that he's doing for the United States and Israel. The White House, you know, stands behind Mike. Okay, okay. I don't know. I mean, this really sent me over the edge. I was so upset about this.

And I think it's just, I think it just clicks all the boxes, right? You have our ambassador, he's, I mean, this guy's a traitor, like an actual traitor, like a, you know, like convicted traitor, sold secrets to Israel. And I mean, the whole time he was in prison, there was a huge campaign, BB Netanyahu used to visit him in prison, by the way. He was, you know, all of these pro-Israel billionaires and others agitated multiple presidents from Bill Clinton on us. up to pardon him. They were like, oh, it's just spying amongst, like, no, he sold secrets from America to Israel. He endangered the United States. By the way, the Israelis didn't give a shit about the United States. They just sold them the Soviets, right? They're happy to do it. They don't care. They don't care about us, but all we do is care about them. And to have that

guy be invited as a guest to the United States Embassy, I just can't stand it. It's like, I don't think any self-respecting nation can stand for people who literally seem to care more about another country than their own. And especially in a diplomatic post, also what I want to say on the right, you know, those are all this discussion, Dr. Carlson, Nick Fuentes, all the, these people don't have shit to say about the U.S. ambassador actually inviting a literal traitor to the U.S. embassy. Nothing. Zip. Zero. They advocate for. That's my thing. They, these are people who actually have power, the ambassador, confirmed by the United States Senate. Has a single Republican senator said anything about this?

One? Should be impeached, removed from office at the very least by President Trump. And then these people talk on one about foreign interference. These people want to bitch and moan about Qatari influence or whatever. You see any spies getting invited to the U.S. embassy in Doha last time I showed? Or anywhere else around the world? The carve out for this. it's sickening for an independent nation, allegedly, that we're supposed to be, I can't stand

it. I just can't. It makes me sick, like physically ill. I mean, it's such an important incident, too, because it's so revealing of where the, of where Israeli society is and the level of, you know, total psychopathy and deranged behavior, you know, Pollard in that clip that we played, not only does he say that we should be threatened with nukes and they should actually use them if we don't do what Israel wants us to do. But he also, I mean, it's just like completely insane that this is uttered in any sort of a mainstream setting,

like that you could say this on camera. And then you can get invited in to meet with the ambassador. Like, this is just insanely, insanely wild. And then the other part of the history that Ryan has been pointing out is, you know, when he was in prison, So the Israelis effectively low-key threatened Bill Clinton during the peace negotiations that were going on then as part of the Oslo Accords, threatened Bill Clinton with like the release of the Lewinsky tapes. And as part of that pushed Clinton to release Pollard. Tenet, George Tenet, at the time, was like, I'm resigning if you do that.

So, you know, they did not go forward with that at that time. Then when he was up for parole under the Obama administration, that's what he ends up being released. But, you know, the way that we, I don't know, the way that we allow them to push us around, the way that we would allow someone who would say something like that, about our country, to meet with our ambassador, it's pretty mind-boggling. It's hard to imagine another scenario where this would happen. Then you were saying earlier, Sager Lake, and then you've got Trump calling Marjorie Taylor Green, a traitor while your ambassador is meeting with an actual literal convicted trader.

Yes, exactly. That's the part that galls me the most. And then the silence, you know, from the political establishment. They endorsed meeting this guy. By the way, you know, I just want to say this. It wasn't a lot of talk about, you guys want to know who brokered that meeting? His name is David Milstein. You know who's stepson he is? Oh, Mark Levin. That's right. Interesting, isn't it? This guy, you know, is stepson of Mark Levine, this most, one of the most pro-Israel right-wing commentators in the United States is literally brokering meters with a straight-up traitor to America in Israel. this guy is on our soil, agitating against anybody who's against Israel, says they're anti-American. Who's the real anti-American, Mark? Who's the real anti-American? Maybe talk about your own stepson. Let's go to the next one. You know, I'm Mr. Pollard. Again, just to show everybody who he is and how loyal he is to Israel. E3, let's put this up here on the screen. He says anti-Israel insiders in the U.S. may have leaked his Huckabee meeting to try to get him fired. The funny thing is, in the same interview, he goes after Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff and says that they're pushing a Saudi and a Qatari agenda. He even said that Donald Trump had sold America out for Saudi

gold. So even he, Trump is not pro-Israel enough for Jonathan Pollard. Okay? And go to the next part. Again, I love, in a way I like Jonathan, he says the quiet part out loud, you know. He just says this stuff straight up. Oh, they're working for Saudi. They're working for guitar. Trump is actually not pro-Israel enough. He should have let us wipe Gaza off the face of the earth. He said he wants to colonize Gaza. He's actually considering a run for the Knesset. He's a hero, you know, in that country. And that's what they think of us. Okay. So they, they are willing to elevate this guy who's a traitor to America. They call themselves allies and they take a literal traitor and they elevate him. And then they, you know, and then they let him spout

off. It's just, it's incredible. And then we're the ones to sit here and we invite him into our embassy, into our embassy to an inviting with the U.S. ambassador. For what reason? Also, here's the thing. Nobody's denying this. White House doesn't deny it. Mike Huckabee confirmed a meeting. They had no shame. Zero.

They're just, they're like, yeah, we met with him. What's the problem? Crazy. What's the problem? And what message is that sent to Netanyahu about what sort of like psycho behavior and ideology is that will stand by that will allow because, I mean, this is also, this is a window into the political forces that Netanyahu. Yahoo is responsible to, you know, within his own coalition.

You know, this is a guy who's like, he's like a Pollard would be aligned with like the Smotritches and the Ben Gavirs of the world and is, you know, probably perhaps even more extreme than they are, although that's hard to imagine, but I haven't heard either of them outwardly in public saying that the U.S. should literally be nuked if we do something that they don't like. These are the political forces that are ascendant in Israel and are incredibly important in terms of the politics that come out here. So you had Pollard in that original clip saying, yeah, and the entire Middle East blew up. It's like, yeah, you guys blew up the entire Middle East. Like, you all did that. You know, as part of the Greater Israel Project, how many countries are you,

have you bombed? How many countries are you bombing right now? How many ceasefires are you violating right now? These are the operative politics and where the pressure points are in Israeli society. I think that's important to understand as well. Yep. That's well said. And I don't know. I mean, there's just so much. much, I'll just leave it at this. This is what we're dealing with. I'll give credit to a few. Guys like Steve Bannon said he should be recalled. There's been a few others. But by and large, the entire political right is silent on this. Yeah. And that Milstein character has a lot. For a guy who's just like an aide to an ambassador, his so much power within this administration

basically runs the Israel policy. Yeah, that's right. And if anybody wants to see our interview with the fired State Department employee who talks about David Milstein's power, you can. It's on our channel. We were actually the first people to interview him. He also was on the Tucker Carlson show. You can listen to that as well. You got to learn who's running this country. You got to learn who's running this country. Okay, let's go ahead and take a listen to Steve Bannon, then. Last word from him on Mike Huckabee. In Huckabee, the clown ambassador, who's an embarrassment, a total embarrassment. What he's saying is is insanity. He ought to be recalled immediately and removed immediately.

There you go. You should be recalled. It's insanity. At least somebody said it, but I'm probably thinking that's the last one. Okay. I mean, Huckabee is such a religious extremist, too. I mean, genuinely, he's just like an absolute ideological zealot. Hi, Kyle. Could you draw up a quick document with the basic business plan? Just one page as a Google Doc and send me the link. Thanks. Hey, just finished drawing up that quick one page business plan for you. Here's the link. But there was no link. There was no business plan. It's not his fault. I hadn't programmed Kyle to be able to do that yet. My name is Evan Ratliffe. I decided to create Kyle, my AI co-founder, after hearing a lot of stuff like this from OpenAI CEO Sam Aldman.

There's this betting pool for the first year that there's a one-person, a billion-dollar company, which would have been like unimaginable without AI and now will happen. I got to thinking, could I be that one person? I'd made AI agents before for my award-winning podcast, Shell Game. This season on Shell Game, I'm trying to build a real company. with a real product run by fake people. Oh, hey, Evan.

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So tune in. Listen to health stuff on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. Let's get to, um, this is a fun one. Um, and let me give some credit to Elon. This was, meanwhile, all of our DMs are fucked. But we did get one good. new feature out of X slash Twitter, which is they created the ability to see where all of these

accounts are actually based. And lo and behold, a bunch of these large MAGA accounts that really kind of came out of nowhere after Elon took over Twitter, they are, you know, they're in Bangladesh, they're in Nigeria, they're in India, etc. Daily Beast did a write-up. I saw NBC News had a write-up this morning as well. And we grabbed, go ahead and put this slide show up on the screen. a slideshow of a bunch of the different accounts here that have foreign origins. So you can see here, Maga Nation is one of the ones that is based overseas. You've got this Ivanka Trump News account as well that is apparently based overseas. Let's go ahead and see the next one as well.

Ultra MAGA. This one's in Nigeria since November 2025, very recent. Let's put the next one up on the screen. Defiant L's. This one I'm very familiar. I see this one all the time. Based in Japan. Asuka Gryper in New Zealand.

Dark Maga based in Thailand. Apparently joined in June from the UK. Got another one here, registered nurse six years with an NGO in Africa. They say that this person just changed her bio to claim she's an American nurse in Africa after it was exposed that her account is based in Nigeria. We got any more of these guys? I think that might be the last one. Oh, no, we got another one.

Emma Brunette. Under Trump, we saw historic growth and prosperity. I'm ready for a repeat in 2024 based in West Asia. So pretty extraordinary. I mean, I think basically what happened here is Elon made it possible to, you know, to create accounts on Twitter and to make money off of them. And so you had a bunch of people from the developing world where, you know, a little bit of money goes a long way or like, hey, I can get in on this game.

You know, let me go in and jump into American politics and say all the, very sort of like tribal reactionary and inflammatory things get a ton of clout and a ton of attention. And it was a successful model. A bunch of these accounts grew up and became quite significant and Elon pumped them into all of our feeds. And on the one hand saga, you know, on the serious side of this, because this is all, you know, pretty amusing to watch unfold, on the serious side of this, it does beg questions about the way we're perceiving our own politics when you have these large accounts that are just basically foreign bots. On the other hand, you know, if the sort of like energy and division wasn't there to begin with,

these accounts would not have been nearly as successful and growing in the way that they did. Now, of course, there's a lot of algorithmic feeding and all of that as well. But they seized on this very divisive moment in American politics and just blew it up. Yeah, I mean, though, I think what's interesting about this is, At the very beginning, I called it. I said, this monetization is bad. Like, in general, paying for verification, paying for boosting in the algorithm, invites every grifter in the world to try and to elevate, literally every grifter in the entire world,

to try and to elevate or create some sort of divisive politics. I'm not saying the original system was fair. I'm just saying this system is much worse. And it's terrible. What it has done has basically created all of these, like, fake, actual fake news. accounts, which is tweet complete distorted bullshit, and you've created this entire ecosystem of so-called influencers or whatever. They're all doing this for cash.

And I mean, I've been open about this. I can actually even check right now to see how much money that I've earned from Twitter over the last, like, two years. I think in all total, it's like $12,000 or $13,000. I'm not going to say that it's not a lot of money. However, as you and I know, Crystal, in terms of YouTube, in terms of, like, literally, any other social media platform, I would be roughly like 10 to 20 times better off doing something on those platforms than on Twitter. That's part of the reason why it makes more

sense that all of these accounts are based in the third world because that's actually a lot of money over there. Over here, we couldn't even turn the lights on or whatever in our studio in terms of for like a month if we wanted to. So just to be transparent, again, in terms of the amount of money, and I have a fine account, you know, a couple, like half a million followers or something like that. They don't even have that, but they're, like, out here, like, going for pennies. The point, though, is that monetization, and specifically monetization for attention on Twitter specifically, was entirely engineered around whipping up, like, certain types of

politics and going after, like, very specific niche groups, and it does actually make you question how much of what you see is real. I mean, under the previous regime, there was all this concern about bots and about foreign influence. I mean, look, as you said, credit, credit where it's due, you know, you did reveal that a lot of this stuff, a lot of these people are actually straight up foreigners, and they have, it actually makes sense because a lot of times are misspelling names and all this other stuff. But it also, I mean, I don't think it's a good look at that so many people were duped and were, you know, either duped or involved or elevated a lot of these types of accounts,

which very clearly have always been in it for the money. Yeah. Well, I mean, it does, I think actually the people that it screwed the most is Republicans because it created a sense that these politics were way more sort of like widespread and popular than they actually were. I mean, we've talked before about how after Elon took over like the number of just the amount of outright like Nazi or white nationalist posting that you could just see on the regular and that would get massive engagement absolutely exploded. And I think it's clear a significant chunk of that was foreigners who were. just looking to jump in the fray and say the most outrageous thing and reactionary things they possibly could to engagement farm. And then that creates a sense, a misimpression of like how widespread these politics are and how much purchase they're getting. Now, in a certain sense, I think there's like a, it creates almost like a, you know, it creates its own destiny because then people are like, oh, if that's the way people think, there's like a crowd effect or like a sheep effect, you know, where if you feel like this is an ascendant view, more people are willing to

attach themselves to it. So I think it does create somewhat of a momentum in that direction. But I think it also confused a lot of Republicans who are super online into thinking that this was a much more popular direction than it really was. And so that's how you end up with like, you know, the DHS, just like 4chan and Nazi posting and thinking that this was a win and that this was going to be super-based and get widespread acceptance. You know, I think it's helped to create this right-wing bubble where they believed much more that what they were doing, that everything that they were doing and the, like, you know, the crazy videos they're putting out and all this, like, sadistic rituals that they're doing,

that this would find much more mainstream acceptance that it actually has. It's possible. I think it's also a little bit convenient in particular for a lot of the experts. So now I'm not going to say or deny that explicit Nazi and anti-Semitism stuff is out there. But, I mean, look, we can't deny the 2024 election. I wouldn't say that that was foreign influence, right? Like, people did ultimately vote for Trump. So I think it's actually more of a creation for a specific style of politics instead of, like, say, the view itself.

So what you were saying there about, like, hype videos with Theo Vaughn, right, from the DHS that are posted. That is something that I would say that they're duped into thinking that's more popular. necessarily than it is. I also think, you know, really what it comes down to is that these people are just, and when I say too online, I actually really do mean in the Republican case, too on Twitter. Because if you spend time online on the general internet, you can find a lot of anti-Trump stuff or say that they're unpopular. The amount of time that they're specifically engaged in Twitter niche discussion politics and specifically tailoring national messaging to that is highly damaging. Ironically, this is the same problem that the left had, let's say in 2017 and

2000, or even before that, honestly, you could have very much convinced yourself that defund the police and, I don't know, trans mania or any of this stuff was way more popular than it actually was if you specifically spent your time on Tumblr and on Twitter. And of course, I got a reality check, I think, in the 2016, 2020 and 24 election. And I think that the Republicans will have, not Republicans, Republican activist class in particular, which is very, very, very much lives on Twitter and makes that

into a very big part of their own social circle, of their reality, and measures they're worth against. That's the problem. It's a selection bias specifically, and the platform itself incentivizes outrageousness, and in some ways, all of them do, but in particular this one, just from the way that it's all

set up. And engineering yourself, your personality and all that, for online, you know, retweet, it should at the very least have a check, I think internally, to say how much of this shit is real. Because what you can see here is a lot of it's fake. A lot of it is fake. Just when you're seeing these people who are on here posting about Western civilization and the decline of the white race and whatever, just check through. Yeah, just check it. Click through. Find where they're posting from and be very skeptical of these type because a lot of these, you know, types of accounts, it turns out is some due to Nigeria. who's just, you know, trying to, he's just, he's on his grind, you know, he's got his grind set,

he's trying to make it. Well, that's the thing. I mean, you know, like I said, this is what he's decided to do. I'm very open about it. I think it's like 400 bucks a month or something. I mean, look, it just goes to the company, but I mean, that's not enough to even fund, like, you know, a little bit of production. But so people who accuse, they're like, oh, you only post about weed or property tax

for, and listen, I'm doing it for the love of the game, all right? I'm doing this purely for the love of the game. So as you can all see, if I really want it. to just post to make money, it's much easier to, yeah, to be like the Indian white nationalist or something like that. That's a lot easier, actually, to gain some traction. But no, I'm doing this purely because I like. There's a big thriving market for that. Yeah, apparently there is a large market for it, which is kind of hilarious and ironic. And if anybody sees any other good examples, let us know, tweet it out, and we'll see. Yeah. I will say there are a lot of fake

screenshots out there floating around too. So, you know, be careful. Yeah. I forgot that I created my account in November 2011. Biggest mistake I ever made, I guess. Just looking back, I can't believe I was on there. It turned down to be a major pivot point in your life. Who knew? Who knew? I was a sophomore in college.

All right. Okay. All right. I think that's it for us. Crystal, you're still at home tomorrow, but we'll see you tomorrow. And yeah, we'll see you then. Hi, Kyle. Could you draw up a quick document with the basic business plan?

Just one page as a Google Doc. And send me the link. Thanks. Hey, just finished drawing up that quick one page business plan for you. Here's the link. But there was no link. There was no business plan. I hadn't programmed Kyle to be able to do that yet.

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