Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 11/6/24: Trump Wins, Dearborn Mayor On Muslim Voters, Ro Khanna Reacts To Kamala Loss

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

Krystal and Saagar discuss Trump's win over Kamala, Dearborn Mayor speaks out on Arab American voters, and Ro Khanna joins to react to Kamala's loss.    To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.com   Merch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's 12, 10 p.m. It's officially the afternoon here on the East Coast. It's great to see everybody. We have an amazing show for everybody today. We're going to break down these landmark election results. AP called the race around what? Like four in the morning or so, Ryan? Oh, well, Ryan and I were together around like 2.30 in the morning and that's when they called it.

But that was Fox News. I think the AP called it a little bit later than that. Just couldn't sleep, you know? It's a big day. So yeah, we've got a lot going on here

and we're going to talk. We've got Logan, by the way, in the house. Let's put Logan up on the screen. Logan, say what's up. Shout out. The audience loves Logan. Logan loves the audience.

I just want to say, such an essential part of the coverage last night. I don't know what we would have done without you, Logan. Okay, we all knew Logan was great with the numbers and the election modeling. I did not know he would drop so many deep philosophical takes on it. That's exactly right. I really didn't. You brought something to the table I was not expecting and I'm extremely grateful for it. I had multiple people message me and say how they had no need to switch over to cable news about how our coverage was actually better,

how we were able to give people the data. No, but we were able to mix in the fun, the commentary, and we actually had the hard news, the data, and Logan to contextualize everything. You know what was crazy? He's going to go more into that. When I got back to the apartment, and it was after midnight, 1 o'clock, whatever, and it was as clear as it could be, the writing on the comma had lost, and it was a land, blah, blah, blah. Man, MSNBC was still on there. Yes.

The votes aren't all in. I don't know. I've got to say, it was pretty embarrassing for Kornacki. I was like, how? Because Kornacki, after Fox had called PA, was still like, she's got an uphill battle or something. Look, I like Kornacki. I don't think it was his decision. It was clearly probably like the NBC decision desk.

But the AP, this was a big right-wing thing last night. They were like, call the states, call the states. And like, I mean, they're kind of right. But after, though, after 2020, when a lot of people on the right were like, you called Arizona. You called, I mean, they're kind of right. But after though, after 2020, when a lot of people on the right were like, you called Arizona quick. That's true. I don't disagree like the direction,

but I'm just saying like, you know, if you're being honest with your people, which we were, we were like, look, you know, there's a 2% chance, I guess, that Kamala could theoretically win. But like, this thing is basically over. And that's what happened. I mean, I think that is the difference between like,

I don't know, net parts and network coverage and where we're just like, you know, actually telling you what we think. Just trying to be honest. Just that's what happens. I mean, I think that is the difference between, like, I don't know, net parts and network coverage and where we're just like, you know, actually telling you what we think. Just trying to be honest. Just trying to be honest and candid.

And speaking of that, there's a little bit of unfinished business. Oh, where is it? Get the screenshot. Ryan's ready. It's ready. It's ready.

Let's see it. This actually happens. It happens. It's happening. Are you guys happy. This actually happens. It happens. It's happening. Are you guys happy? How's it look? Are you happy? Not good.

Not good. I hate it. Oh, it looks great. I think it looks beautiful. I think it looks great. It's popping the color. There's a different reaction. It's a message of a pan-ethnic working class coalition.

That's what this is. This is my. That's the story of this election. This is my efforts at unifying America. Yeah, you're doing your job. You're doing a better job than Kamala Harris who won't con of this election. That's the story of the hat. This is my efforts at unifying America. Yeah, you're doing your job. You're doing a better job than Kamala Harris who won't concede the election for a while. People are really hung up on this. I'm like, she's going to do it.

Yeah, but Hillary did it in the morning. This is like the least important of all of the storylines right now. And then she sort of wink-winked, said it was Putin in the morning. No, I don't disagree with you. But I'm saying I thought it was important that Hillary actually did do it in the morning. But like, okay. Initially, so the country can just wake up,

they can see the speech. She should have done it and she does herself no favors, but also, not, present company excluded. Those on the right who were perfectly fine

with Donald Trump just like actively lying about the election results up to this day to be like, you should have done it at 8 a.m. instead of 4 p.m.

Trump has still not. Spare me. Sp.m. Trump has still not conceded. Guys, the hypocrisy still has not conceded. We're still waiting. A common point that Ryan and I heard last night is Trump is now the first since FDR to three-peat. I got to be honest, I laughed. It was funny. All right, can I take this off?

You can take it off. No. Actually, Trump is ineligible for this term because he was really the president. Oh, that's right. That's right. So that's real lib. Hot take. That's some good high IQ stop the steal.

That's something like libs. You were right. We stole it. You were the president. That's right. You got to go to the Supreme Court. You're like a horseshoe. I like that.

You have been excluded. You have officially violated. What is it? The 22nd Amendment? I think that's right. One of those. You have been excluded. You have officially violated, what is it, the 22nd Amendment? I think that's right. One of those. You have violated the 22nd Amendment, and it's over. We have to call this thing, and now J.D. Vance is going to be the president. I want a horrible outcome.

I mean, it's just going to be awful for this country. It's just for our Kamala. Congratulations, Kamala. Anyways. Jiu-jitsu. There you go. Let's get serious. Let's get serious.

All right, so what do we got here first? The Trump speech? Well, we're going to do the maps first. Let's get serious. All right. So what do we got here first? The Trump speech? Well, we're going to do the maps first to show everybody where everything. So, Logan, can you go through where we ended up in terms of the Electoral College and, you know, what states we're still officially waiting on and all of that good stuff? Yeah, I think the control room is doing the board. So, guys, can you put up the national election results? There we go. So we got 286 Electoral College votes that have been called so far for Donald Trump.

It looks like he's going to end up with 312 almost certainly. You've got Michigan and Arizona, which are both going to eventually end up in the Trump category. More importantly is actually the national popular vote figure. Donald Trump now officially the first Republican since 2004 to win the national popular vote. And actually, one interesting thing is that turnout is significantly down for both of these figures, right? So Harris commented only at 66 million votes or 67 million votes. Even Donald Trump overlaid 71 million. That's well below the margin or the number that he got back in 2020.

That said, 2020 was an anomaly? It's looking like a... Of course. I'm not disputing. Yeah, go ahead, Logan. Yeah, I think, I mean, he's got to think about it, right? For most Americans, politics,

or at least a sizable number of them, politics isn't as important to them, right? It may have a big implication in their lives, but they're not thinking about it. And so when you have an election where government is put front and center in their face in a way like it hasn't been before, both with the economic challenges and COVID and the balance of safety from the disease and security of rights, right? People are way more engaged in that election than they've been ever since or what they've been before and probably for a long time coming.

Yeah, that was kind of a unique moment in American history, for sure. It looks like a lot of the Senate races are still, you know, still not officially called. Yeah, but they're trending in that direction. So like McCormick is almost certainly going to pull it out. I mean, if you guys could put that up there, for example, on the screen, let's put Pennsylvania Senate, because that's one of the most important ones there for GOP. You can see he's got a pretty good lead of, what is that, like 50,000 votes or so. And there's just not enough that are coming in that they're projecting to be able to call it. It probably won't be called, I think, for maybe another day or two. 92%.

I mean, I genuinely don't know what's left. This is just the people I spoke to earlier today. They were like, we're absolutely confident about this. You know, actually, the shock of the night in the Senate could be in Nevada if we want to put that one up there. Sam Brown is looking pretty good for him right now. Yeah, there you go. I mean, that's that. So nobody predicted that Jackie Rosen was going to come even close to this.

But what's incumbent blood? I yeah, it is. I feel like Jackie Rosen might pull that off, though, because the last thing that comes in is the mail is the mail in votes. Yeah. Just post to election. Yeah. So, you know, they say they estimate there's still one hundred and thirty six thousand votes outstanding and they're separated by a few hundred votes. I think there's still a good chance she pulls that one out.

Logan, did you have. Yeah. What do you think? I think so, too. If it's the same vote pattern as last time. I also wouldn't completely give up on Casey. I mean, it looks like there's a disproportionate amount of vote coming from Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, which is obviously going to be better there. Not to the point that I would think he'd be outright favored.

You know, there's one thing to be good at. If you're following this electoral map to a degree, you can get it. But the election day version is so much harder in terms of sometimes what is left in the vote. If it's mail-in versus in person versus early, can just be different even in what we're seeing in the county so far. So it's hard to know this with confidence. Well, I'm looking at these results that we have right up for, can you guys click on Philadelphia again to show there's, they say there's still 137,000 votes outstanding in Philadelphia.

So that does give me a sense. What was he winning Philadelphia by? He's winning by 20 points. Wait, no. There we go. 59 points. 59% net lead. So that picks him up another, what, 50,000?

Yeah. How much is he down by? He's down overall by about 50,000 votes. Oh, boy. And so— 75, yeah. Yeah, and I mean Allegheny County, which is Pittsburgh, which another Democratic stronghold is not 100% in. So I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't call it for McCormick yet for sure.

It makes sense to me why they have those ones outstanding. It looks like right now, and again, this is subject to the same analysis of who knows what's still out there, Slotkin is narrowly ahead in Michigan. It does look like she might be able to pull it off. Baldwin is narrowly ahead in Wisconsin. She declared victory. Oh, did she? Tammy Baldwin did? Tammy Baldwin has declared

victory, which is kind of early. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, yeah. So the reason to do that obviously is to get ahead of any kind of momentum, any of that sort of stuff. But what I'm hearing from people who are working on this on the Senate side with Republicans is that they're going to recount. It's sort of like in Veep when they have to go out to Nevada for the recount. Everyone remembers that. They're planning on recounts.

Recount is usually triggered at.5, right? Is that correct? It's different per state. Every state has different automatic recount numbers that they go by. In Arizona, Kerry Lake seems to continue to be uniquely off-putting. I will say the margin is nowhere close to what the vote was alleged in the polls. Take a look at that. 50% for Ruben Gallego. Lake is clocking in here at 47. So, I mean, not— But he also significantly—I mean, what did Trump end up winning the state by? So, I mean, that is a significant underperformance by Terry Lake. And actually, that's one of the—I mean, we can get into our bigger takes. We could go through, to start with, I guess, House control as well, which is still not settled, but looks like it's

trending towards Republicans. It looks like, what is it, D plus? What's the projection? Yeah, so 95% decision desk is projecting there for 210 and 193. There's still several outstanding races. Logan, you want to go through those before we get to the Trump speech? So just by the way, control room, please queue that up and have it ready to go whenever we call for it. Go ahead, Logan. Yeah, we're mostly dealing, a lot of these districts that are outstanding are ones on the West Coast, California in particular. They take a long time because they wait for mail-in ballots to come in as long as they're postmarked as of election day. Yeah, Mike Garcia, Ken Calvert, they could be potentially in some trouble. It looks like Democrats might have done okay in these races.

There's a race into Iowa first that's down to R plus 0.1. Looks like Scott Perry is going to narrowly hang on, although he's going to be at the top of the target list for next cycle. If it's like a traditional midterms and Dems do well, he could be at risk. He's up by about 1.6. We'll probably finish out there. Still pretty close in Washington District 3rd. Marie Perez is up by four points. So basically what we have here left is that Democrats need to just do well in the

rest of these districts and win the lion's share. You know, it doesn't look like this is like a great cycle for the GOP in terms of the House, in terms of pickups, but they did what they needed to do. They've played better defense in the races they were supposed to win. And that might not sound like much, but you know, the key to winning House races or House majority is to just win a small percentage of the ones that you have a shot in but you're underdogs in, right? That's right. The Pennsylvania bloodbath. We don't talk about keys anymore, Logan. The keys are dead, Logan.

It's a missing 14P. The keys have been burned. So many of the gurus are dead now. Oh, Christ. Let's save some of that. So, Logan, we wanted to throw to you while we have a guest, which is loaded in here, Congressman Ro Khanna, to just go over some of the maps and maybe some of the other things that we were talking about. Maybe you could look

at some of the swing counties. I know that there's, what was it? Northampton count. Is it Northampton? Is that right? In Pennsylvania? It's correctly called the winner in Pennsylvania in every election since 1972. And I do believe that Donald Trump actually won it, along with some of the other more suburban counties in PA. Is it Northampton? I'm pretty sure. I have no idea. Yeah, Northampton. Northampton went 2.2% for Trump, which is about what the margin looks like.

It's got their perfect record, 1972. Really? 1972? I had no idea. There's got their perfect record, 1972. Really? I think. I had no idea. That's like one of the, there's only like four left or something like that. They're the new Alan Lichtman. There you go. That's the new keys.

The keys are in Northampton. Every single person, all 174,000 next time. That is unbelievable. And then there's also Bucks County in PA, which I believe Donald Trump won for the first time for Republicans in 1988. Yeah, I saw that this morning.

I'm not 100% sure. 0.5, wow. That's it. 49.8 to 49.3. 95% reporting, so we'll see if that stays. Yeah, that's brutal. What was the final vote count in Georgia? I never actually saw what the margin was.

Was it anywhere close? Two points. Two points. Okay. Yeah, I mean. That's like margin of error. Yeah. This is still a lot closer than the average presidential race.

120,000 votes. It just feels bigger because Trump hasn't done this before. Right. But. And he won a popular vote. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's a clear win for him.

But it's not the type of win you can't come back from. I mean, LBJ won one of the biggest landslides in history, and then four years later, Nixon won one of the biggest landslides in history. So, I think the biggest problem here, right, for Dems is people are on the status side of the status quo, and they didn't feel like Harris was going to be able to change that. Yeah. And they didn't feel like she had a plan that would push things in a different direction. It's really hard to run as a VP. Honestly, a lot of these VP candidates lose. Yeah, that's true. Good point. You've had... Who are the successful

ones? We have HW. And that was coming on like we're about to win the Cold War. Right, yeah. It was a very unique moment in history. Al Gore was successful, but he was wrong. But it's still way too close. If you consider 96 to compare to the 2000 map, it's a joke in terms of Democratic performance. Yeah, those stats get way better if you give Al Gore the win.

So without Al Gore having that win, it looks really dark. But without that, you know. Yeah. I mean, I think she did herself no favors. It was so obvious from the beginning that you have to separate from Biden. Like, this man is profoundly unfair. That view clip is going to go down in history, right? That really

was. It was a critical moment. And then she had several other opportunities. I know. And still gave basically the same non-answer. And that was just an obvious direction to go in, too, with his forward policy, which was incredibly unpopular. Like, you could be like, I would do things differently, which, you know, but she

was unable to separate from him. And then I think the other thing that, you know, people like us, I think, see fairly clearly about the Democratic Party, we won't talk much about, is they should have had a primary. They should have had a democratic process. And in their terror and desire to, quote unquote, save democracy, they were like, we can't have any democracy interfere with our efforts to save democracy. And they really, they really screwed themselves in that way. Oh, there's no question. I mean, Crystal, are you blackpilled on the idea that even the big D Democratic Party won't take that away? They have to from this. The primary, lack of primary, was a disaster. Not only in the Marianne Williams instance, but in the quote unquoteunquote mini, I mean, you even had

Clyburn calling for a mini-prime. Yep, I think. Remember? Pelosi was flirting with her. I think what they would take away from that is we should install a different type of campaign. No, that's interesting. Not a different type, just a different name.

That's funny. Different name. I do think that they'll be like, we just can't run women. Yeah, that's right. We're not going to do that anymore. And, you know, can't be California, can't be too liberal, can't be too woke. So I think they'll just learn lessons for themselves about the future candidate that they will then want to handpick and select rather than like, hey, maybe the voters have some say in this crazy process. Because that just feels too wild to leave it to the whims of the voters.

Right. What do you think, Ryan? How do you think the big takeaway will be from, like, the major Democratic elite? I don't know. It's going to be interesting to watch it unfold. I haven't seen a single word yet from Pelosi. I mean, I guess Obama has conceded, so that's part of the problem. The first impulse is to blame the voters.

Yeah. Yes. Or is it to blame Russia? No, but in all seriousness, is that's part of the problem. The first impulse is to blame the voters. Yeah. Yes. Or is it to blame Russia? No, but in all seriousness, is it to blame Russia? No. Because the impulse... I don't think they have that. They don't have it in them anymore.

But it's also... Yeah, the Jews have gone out of that one. They're demoralized. They've been defeated. It's just hard. I know there's different, like, a million takes out there, and we're going to get to, like, you know, different blaming this or that demographic group, et cetera.

But when the shift went against you with like every, how can you do that? With Jews and with Muslims? How incredible is that? Actually, it looked to me like their numbers held up sort of better with Jewish voters than almost anybody else. But, you know, which is also interesting. But anyway. Makes Trump so angry. Yeah. But if you look at this kind of across the board nationwide shift, you can't be like it was the Muslims and Dearborn's fault or whatever. Because it was the blanket national phenomenon. So I think you have to do some level of deeper analysis from that.

You don't have a Jim Comey to blame this time around. You do have sexism. There will be a little bit of that for sure. But I do think there will be a little bit more angsting and analysis. And I think that leads to just like, she was too liberal. We need to move right. That's always the analysis, right? That's always what they come to ultimately. I could see that. All right. Well, how are we doing on the guest control room? Any news? Okay. We are loading him in now. Great. So Congressman Ro Khanna, of course, of California, really interested to speak with him about his analysis. He's one who has been pushing the Democratic Party at times to talk more about economic issues and embrace more economic populism.

So perfect guest to have today to hear his take on what the hell happened to this party yesterday. It's still going to take a few minutes, apparently. All right. Well, I don't have enough intro to fill up. I'm running on three hours of sleep here. For the whoop heads, I've got a 3% recovery. That's what we're currently working with. In terms of that, let's see.

What can we vamp on? We've got Kamala's concession speech at four. What do you guys think she's going to say? This is a huge question. Will she appear with Biden? That's a big question. I don't think so. So then why has, I mean, Biden needs to do, which was my personal favorite moment from 2016,

if you'll remember, Emily, when Obama was like, I just got off the phone, President-elect Trump. And Valerie Jarrett is in the White House colonnade just weeping. Stocky. Yeah, Stocky and all of the other Obama staffers just literally in tears sitting behind President Obama. That's indelibly burned into my memory.

But actually, we do have the congressman, so let's try and bring him in over here. There he is. All right. Hey. How are you? Hey, guys. Crystal, where's your MAGA hat? She already wore it. She's got it. She wore it guys. Crystal, where's your MAGA hat?

Oh, she already wore it. She's got it. She wore it already. Wait, you want to see my arrow? Yeah, is that what you want? I don't know if you want that. I'll send you one in the mail. Here it is. Yeah. There it is.

All right. Now put it on her head. There you go. Thanks. So, I mean, Congressman, just the first question is, what do you think happened? Well, look, it's going to take a long time, but I think one clear message is we need a cleaning of the house. I mean, the people are sick of the establishment. They're sick of the same old folks running the party.

The second thing is I don't think we spoke to people's economic grievances and anxieties. I mean, we go straight to the plans. I think people first have to hear that they got shafted for 50 years, that corporations, offshore jobs, that the system isn't working for them. And then we can go into both parties were part of this problem. And here's why we have better vision than the other side. And here's what we're going to do. Even though we had a lot of good economic policy, I just don't think we got that emotional narrative of meeting people where they are. And we've got to do a better job. And then we can't be the party of war.

We've got to be the party that's opposed to these wars. Are you hearing that from other colleagues? Do they understand that the Democrats are becoming the party of war and the party that doesn't take economic grievances seriously? I think it's going to be a long conversation. You know, one consultant texted me, which I thought was actually emblematic of our problem, saying, oh, well, we what the Democrats really need to do is run a white male like Jimmy Carter, peanut farmer, because we obviously aren't connecting in rural America and they're not. They were just sexist and racist.

I was like, this is exactly missing the point. Like, you can't blame the American voters. Like, start by looking at yourself. These are all people in areas that voted twice for Barack Hussein Obama. So, like, what has gone wrong? Why are we not connecting? Why are we not listening? Why do they feel a disconnect from us?

And instead of pointing the blame and sort of stereotyping these voters, how about we do some introspection? At the same time, I think this Republican celebration is a bit premature. I mean, anytime you have one of these elections, people say, ah, there's a permanent realignment. And usually what happens is the other side wins, and the midterms are the subsequent election. There's such discontent against the status quo. So I also don't think we should be overly despairing. We're going to come back in 26 and 28 and build a majority again. Yeah, I totally understand that nobody's writing permanent obituaries here or anything like that. I'm curious for your thoughts. We

were talking about a primary and some of the mistakes that have been made here in the race. In retrospect, do you think it was a mistake not to have a primary, both for Joe Biden and after Joe Biden dropped out of the race? I think it was a mistake. It would have given people the time to really get to know the candidate and given the candidate an ability to bond with the American people. And I, you know, people say, well, we didn't spend enough time in rural America. Well, you had 100 days. Right. Whereas if you are forced to spend two years, then you go to a lot more places. You like, you know, you have a lot of spontaneous interactions. Well, the open convention, you know, I was agnostic on that.

I just don't think having a two-week town hall, which has still been picked by DNC delegates, which are all Biden delegates, you know, I mean, I could have been talked either way, but I don't think that was the problem. The problem was it was such an abridged 100-day sprint. Yeah. And Congressman, in terms of where Democrats go from here and what lessons maybe they take about things that went wrong this election cycle, I want to get your thoughts on some of these results that we're just seeing in California with Prop 36, Prop 33, with George Gascogne in LA County. Is there any lesson here, seriously, for Democrats about maybe some of these cultural issues? It's sort of unfair to categorize them just as cultural issues.

They're very much kitchen table issues for people in LA County, for people throughout California. But what lesson should Democrats take from that, if any, about maybe swinging too far left on some of those issues over the last several years? I think it's a lesson of common sense and being reasonable.

I mean, being reasonable to make, understand families want to be kept safe. And that if someone breaks into a Walgreens, that there has to be prosecution. It doesn't mean you throw them in jail for a long time, but you can't just be like, okay, you can keep breaking in and nothing happens to you. You know, I was able to learn the transition. I went a week ago on Megyn Kelly's show podcast because they said, come on and make the case for the vice president. And Megyn Kelly gave me one minute't be cruel. And, you know, at least up through a school, they should have, we should be inclusive. But there are concerns on people's safety and there's concerns about fairness and competitiveness. There have to

be standards about that. And my point is, I think there are ways to talk about these issues that don't make us compromise our positions, but don't make us people think, well, if they don't fully agree with where Democrats are, that somehow they're bigoted or they're looked down upon. I think we have to engage with a reasonableness, a thoughtfulness, and convince people that we're doing it in good faith. Yeah. Well, Congressman, we really appreciate your time. We will hope to see you again soon. I'm sure you're going to have a lot to say after this race. So thank you. Well, thank you. I'm sure you guys are going to have a lot to say. We already have. We already have.

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We already have. on our program. Yeah. We agree. We agree with you. All right. Make it happen next time. Maybe they'll actually listen. Take care. Thank you, Congressman. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Take care. We're going to talk a little bit now

about the media reaction to Donald Trump's victory last night. There were a couple of fun clips that were making the rounds. So we're going to start first with Jake Tapper over at CNN, who is genuinely like jaw drop stunned when John King tells him that Kamala Harris did not perform better in a

single county in the entire United States. Keep in mind, this was at the time that they were looking at the map, but nonetheless, definitely tells us a little bit of the story of what happened last night. Let's take a listen to that. So you asked, are there any places that the vice president is overperforming Joe Biden in 2020? So we could show you that as well. We just bring that out here. Harris overperforming 2020. Holy smokes. There you go. So let this go away and see if there's anything on the east side there. Literally nothing? Literally nothing. Literally not one county? One county. That is pretty shocking. No, it is. No, it legitimately is. Like, there's not a single locale where you- Yeah, so-

That is pretty stunning. Yeah, so apparently there are a few counties now that the ballots have been tallied. That's what the community notes and all of those things. That sounds like Coke Saga. The point stands nonetheless. I mean, one of the things that we talked about in our after action segment was Donald Trump literally improved his position in 48 out of 50 states. Okay, that's freaking crazy.

He won the popular vote. He ran up the table in all of the, not only in all the swing states, but increased his margin in the deepest blue states. And, like, with all demographics, basically basically, I believe whenever you look at the overall exit polls. So all of that is quite shocking and of course is... According to the one I saw, she improved with advanced degree women. Oh! I mean, who

am I? I cannot forget about the PhD in master's ladies. How can you even improve with those numbers? She went from 97% to 98%. That explains a lot because those are the ultimate childless cat ladies as all four of the people here know, for who they are. All right. Let's not do any divisive identity politics. Oh, well, given Trump's victory, I think I'm all in on divisive identity politics.

But anyways, in terms of democracy and what that all means and looks like for, so you could look at a Trump popular vote victory as a victory for so-called small d democracy, because it's quite literally winning in an election. Or you could say that the American people have given up on democracy. That's what Jonathan Capehart had to say over on PBS NewsHour. Let's take a listen. With a sense of humility, simply because, you know, polls don't vote, people vote. And so in elections, we finally get to hear what the American people have to say. And I've come to this election with an open mind. And I want to know what the American people have to say.

What was it, six hours ago, I was mystified by what was going on. And now I can't help but think that if this election seems to be, if it proves out that the millions of people who are watching Fox News, if that ends up being the case, then I can't help but wonder if the American people have given up on democracy simply because of what he's told us what he wants to do, simply because of what the Supreme Court decided in terms of immunity. I mean, he has said he wants to go after his political enemies. I am your retribution. So if indeed what Fox is reporting, if that ends up being true and ends up being the case, then this conversation about who we are as a country, I was going to say will pop off in earnest,

but I think we will have an answer. You guys aren't going to like my take, but I actually we will have an answer. You guys aren't gonna like my take, but I actually think that he's kind of correct. I was gonna say the same thing. I was gonna say the same thing. In what way? Here's the thing.

I mean, I do think both on the right and the left, there is some chunk that have an authoritarian instinct. And we've seen that, you know, in terms of the Democratic Party, with them being like, yeah, it's fine. You don't have to have a primary. Like, just tell us who to pick, right? You see that. You see that with the clamoring for censorship, which, by the way,

is very clearly a bipartisan thing. And I mean, you also see it in, yeah, this guy genuinely tried vociferously to overturn the election. He still has not admitted that he lost. And so it's not zooming out from our particular political time. When you have times of turmoil, chaos, economic uncertainty, change, you know, structural shifts in terms of like the national economy, the global, all of those things breed among some people the sense of like, I just want someone to come in and fix it. Trump literally was like, I'll be dictator for a day. And people were like, we want you to do that. To Crystal's point, here's a significant point in Crystal's column here. This is Will Chamberlain, who's been on this show debating. He said, and he's very connected in Trump circles.

He said, quote, there's going to be a lot of talk about Trump needing to, quote, extend the olive branch. All caps, no. If he had lost, he would have been jailed. And for a support of Trump, Elon likely would have been bankrupted and jailed. Those who launched the lawfare must be held accountable. He doesn't need to persecute random Democrats. He does need to ensure that his DOJ investigates Fannie Willis, Nathan Wade,

Alvin Bragg, Letitia James, Jack Smith, and Merrick Garland. Hmm. Well, okay. Merrick Garland, he saved Donald Trump by waiting. Yeah, he did, by delaying. Exactly. Go ahead and investigate him.

See what you find. This is almost like an academic argument between like capital D democracy and like small d. Like the guy won the election. Yeah. Not only did he win the election, he won the popular vote. Exactly. So like that's, it's game over. In terms of if that's what the voters want, then that literally is democratic.

Now, you can have like so-called like democratic authoritarianism, but even in this case. Just like what you have in like Hungary, for example. Yeah, but the thing is they like it. Like I've been to Hungary. There's not an organized opposition to Orban. That's what they want. That's the point that he's making is that, yeah, they know. It's not like they don't know that he has these authoritarian tendencies.

And they like it. And they're voting for it. That's what he's saying. But that's democratic. I mean, that's kind of what I'm saying is that is. They're democratically voting for authoritarianism. They are democratically voting for a strong executive. I mean, by the way, like, if you go back and you read, I guess the book's no longer behind me, about freedom from fear.

When FDR was elected, they actually wanted him to be a genuine dictator. They were like, let's burn the Senate down and get rid of this Supreme Court bullshit. And let's just let the president be a monarch. And most people were totally fine with that. He was a good president, right? I mean, American people wanted that. That's a big question why it comes down to like the academic, like democratic checks and balances institutions versus the, you know, so-called like strong executive. But to say the American people have given up on democracy, I think is just incorrect. What they have given up on, I think here, or I guess in

this case, is like elite neoliberal rule, which is the one thorough thread throughout our entire conversation in the last several hours. And so like how they decide to rule with that, how they decide to go with that. I think there is a genuine rise in, and I don't want to make this a partisan point because I don't think it's actually a strictly partisan phenomenon, although I do think that there's probably a higher degree of acceptance of authoritarianism on the right. But as I said, I think there is a sense that this is too messy. I just need someone to come in and make my life simple and make the decisions and be the daddy for the country. And that is a real phenomenon, and it is part of the Trump phenomenon. Yeah, that's fair.

What do you think, Ryan? It's been part of the right for hundreds of years. That's what the right has been. It's kind of about. Yeah, that's true. It's like we can't let these— Restorationists. We can't let the rabble get out of hand.

Strong executive. Sometimes the rabble who wanted the right in power. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. Just saying. Napoleon III, he was—whatever. We'll go down sure. Yeah, absolutely. Just saying. Napoleon III, he was, whatever. We'll go down there.

No, let's move on. Let's move on before we go way too deep. Napoleon I. Maybe one more of these because we got the mayor coming up here very quickly. Which one is your favorite?

Between Joy Reid and The View. Probably The View. There's also that Trump clip that I put in there for the mayor. No, that's for the mayor. Oh, we have time for two clips. Okay, let's roll them back to back. Let's get Joy Reid and then let's get The View and let's roll those back to back.

Let's start with Joy Reid. I think it's important to say that, you know, anyone who has experienced or been in the United States for any period of time and experienced this country's history and knows it cannot have believed that it would be easy to elect a woman president, let alone a woman of color. Let's just be clear. And nothing that was true yesterday about how flawlessly this campaign was run is not true now. I mean, this really was an historic, flawlessly run campaign.

She had Queen Latifah never endorses anyone. She came out and endorsed them. You know, I mean, she had every prominent celebrity voice. She had the Taylor Swifties, she had the Swifties, she had the Beehive. Like, you could not have run a better campaign in that short period of time. And I think that's still true. I'm surprised at the result, but I'm not surprised. As a woman of color, I was so hopeful that a mixed race woman married to a Jewish guy

could be elected president of this country. And I think that it had nothing to do with policy. I think this was a referendum of cultural resentment in this country. Well, I think I thought Queen Latifah would have sailed the deal. Yeah, that's right. Flawless campaign. Right. It's just like, it's beyond caricature, the idea that, like, we're going to do everything we can to learn nothing from this experience. And, again, like, of course blame the voters.

And that's not to say, like, you know, I do think that there is a—we've never elected a woman. I think it is a challenge. I think there are some, like, biases there that we do have to grapple with as a country. But to put it all on that is just to set yourself up for another defeat because you never learn the lessons from the defeats that are meted out. It did remind me also of my Piers Morgan appearance. They had Frank Luntz come on for like an interstitial. He had some good comments,

but he also made this comment about like, she needed to get Taylor Swift to come out and do concerts with her across the Midwest. That's exactly what it was. Oh yeah, that was the key. That was what she was missing out on. She didn't have enough celebrity endorsers. That was the problem. Yeah, that is so funny. Yeah. I'm just thinking about the, I mean, look, I think this is going to be the big media question, you know, to what extent that they're going to run with this.

I did, for my own entertainment, put Morning Joe on the moment that I woke up. It was like 7.30 or so, and it was wild on there. I mean, Joe was losing it. He had a whole three-minute-long monologue, which you can't even play all of it. I mean, he should, but he should, because his ideology, which is the neoliberal on the Republican side and now on the Democratic side,

it was thoroughly, it has been reputed. And you could see, he was shook about it. So he should be shook. Yeah, I mean, he was shook. Like, you know, much more his ideology than, you know, anyone at this table was really thoroughly rebuked. And there's kind of no way around that. Now I know their cope is, oh, the wokeism or whatever, but I think they have to. They're the ones that elevated the wokeism to defend their ideology. That's exactly right. When he's like, I'm worried about cancel culture on college campuses, Joe Scarborough, I'm like, bro, who were the people you were elevating in 2017 and throughout? Like, get out of here, man.

Like, you know what was going on over there. So anyway, the entire thing is ridiculous. But we wanted to give you guys a flavor of the cope that is flying out there. We are very fortunate to be joined today by Mayor Abdullah Hamoud, Mayor of Dearborn, Michigan, which of course is a city that came in for a lot of attention this presidential election cycle. Great to see you again, Mayor. Great to be with you. Yeah, of course. So you decided ultimately, even though you're a Democrat, not to endorse in the race versus Kamala Harris versus Donald Trump. Why did you make that decision?

And what do you make ultimately of the results in your city? Ultimately, my decision not to endorse stemmed on an issue of policy. We wanted a presidential candidate who would distance themselves from Benjamin Netanyahu and the ongoing genocide that's not only now in Palestine, but expanding in Lebanon. I'm of Lebanese origin and descent, so is my wife of Lebanese and Palestinian descent. Today, almost every resident I know in this city has had a family member or loved one killed, injured, or displaced. And so when you see the election results, and I just put out my message earlier, I think the first thing to note is no votes are promised to any party or to any candidate. Votes must be earned, first and foremost, especially from a community that is suffering directly from a genocide.

And I think that was the message that was sent loud and clear. The anti-genocide candidates lost in the city of Dearborn were, excuse me, the pro-genocide candidates lost in the city of Dearborn were those pro-justice anti-war candidates were the ones who were successful in the city of Dearborn. So if you look to Congresswoman Tlaib, she won. You look to local state representatives, they won. You look to our Supreme Court justices, the Democratic candidates, they won. It was the U.S. senator who won by a very slim margin, the Democratic senator, and obviously Vice President Harris, who lost. Very interesting. I mean, sir, looking at the overall margin, what is it? It looks like Donald Trump took some 42% of the vote in the city of Dearborn. What's your reaction to that?

There was a lot of discussion about whether voters like yourselves and others who were affected by this would be voting for Jill Stein and possibly even just sitting out. But many actually decided to affirmatively vote for Trump. What do you think the reasoning behind that is? I think the reasoning behind this is, you know, the messaging largely from the vice president's campaign was the other side is worse and things will get worse in Palestine or in Lebanon. And so when I have this conversation with residents, I think of Hajj Kamil Jawad, who was the first Lebanese American citizen who was slaughtered in Lebanon. This is a Dearborn resident. You think of his family, very prominent family within the city.

What is the message from the vice president's team to them? How does it get worse than your father being slaughtered amidst helping people and supporting the orphans across the country of Lebanon? How does it get worse than this? How does it get worse than one of my residents who has lost now over 70 family members? How does it get worse than watching your ancestral village being blown up and decimated for fun by the IDF? How does it get worse than that? And so I think that message absolutely failed. Then let's talk about the surrogates that were sent.

Liz Cheney, really? We're going to brag about Dick Cheney's endorsement and show up with Liz Cheney numerous times. I'm sorry that the Liz Cheney Democrats did not show up and vote, but in this community, what people stood on was value and principle and morals, and that's what they wanted. So yes, you saw a backlash towards these pro-genocide candidates. But again, it wasn't an abandonment of any party. Rather, it was the reaction to the party abandoning the residents of the city of Dearborn. Yeah, it certainly makes sense. Ryan, I know you have a question for him. Yes, CNN had a rather incredible take last night, effectively, that Kamala Harris was

kind of too critical of Israel. I want to roll this for you, if we can put up this thought here. Republican Jewish coalition that was all over the airwaves, a bunch of women sitting around, Jewish women just saying, I can't stand him, but I felt like we were supporting Israel and we were stronger and we were tougher. And I think that resonates with people. And then to your point, the ad that came out that was beating Kama up around fear about Israel

not being protected, there was never a response from the campaign on that, which I thought was a big mistake. Amanda Berman from Zionist had to raise money right here on her own ad trying to fight back alone. That didn't work. But listen, you tied her to the economy, you tied her to Biden, you tied her to weird, and it was not a good response. I agree with everything you're saying. I just didn't want to engage in the autopsy before we've called the race and before she dropped out. But, you know, one thing on that, the answer on I can't think of anything offhand about where she would differ with Biden was disastrous. And there's no doubt about it.

The question is what motivated it and whether she just felt she did not want to. Loyalty. Yes, loyalty. And so she should have just said, look, I'm grateful to him. You know, I'm proud of some of the many things we did together. And I'm not going to critique him. I'm going to I'm talking about the future would have been a better answer. What do you what do you make of that argument that she was actually not supportive enough

of Israel? I think that warmongers will continually beat the drums to continue dragging us into wars. If you look at every poll that came out, Democrats, independents, even young Republicans, they all wanted a president who was willing to bring forth an arms embargo to hold Benjamin Netanyahu accountable. Benjamin Netanyahu is not a popular individual across America. This war is not popular. The use of our U.S. taxpayer dollars to continually fund this genocide is not popular. So they very much missed the mark. I don't think it was a problem of what these individuals had spoken to. I clearly think it was the distancing

from President Biden on the issue of Gaza that led to a portion of the defeat. We saw certainly Benjamin Netanyahu placing his chips on Trump winning. Israelis overwhelmingly wanted Trump to be victorious. I know you have no illusions about the president-elect at this point. What do you expect from him vis-a-vis this conflict? If we've learned anything in 16, it's learn to not expect because you're going to be surprised at every turn. And so for us, the message I have for my residents, the message I have for my community is that the real work begins every day before and after an election. And so for us, we have to hold to account whoever assumes that White House. In this case, it will be Donald Trump.

And we're ready and prepared to organize, to mobilize, to protest, and to continually call for policies to help improve and save lives, be it in this country and across the globe. Donald Trump, in his victory speech, gave a shout out to Muslim Americans who had helped put him over the finish line. Are people in Dearborn now considering themselves to be part of that coalition at the table where they can negotiate with Trump? Or are people thinking of themselves as kind of outside the coalition and protesting to kind of push him in a direction? I don't think anybody is disillusioned by what Trump represents. I think even those who may have cast their vote, what they know is they know how

to hold individuals accountable. And that's what they're going to do. Politicians will tell you whatever it takes in order to get themselves elected, and this happens far too often. And so I think what you're going to see here is people just look to each and every single policy that comes forward. Again, if we look at the candidates that won yesterday, skipping the top of the bat, look towards the down-ballot candidates. These are the individuals that were in the community knocking on doors, who weren't shy to take tough votes on issues that impacted this community directly, who aligned with where the center of America is now on the issue of Israel and Palestine. And so I think what needs to happen is a deep reflection from the Democratic Party, from both parties, on the issue of Israel and Palestine, and for those

parties to move, for their centers to move just as the American center has moved. Yeah. Mayor, thank you so much. We're really grateful. I know we're the first interview that you gave today, so we really are grateful for that and always appreciate your insights. Thank you, sir. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, our pleasure. Thank you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate you. It was an awesome election night. Shout out to Logan for joining us and Decision Desk HQ also for giving us live data. But it was a privilege to be with you guys last night. It was genuinely a lot of fun. Logan with

Race the White House. Make sure to follow him over there. And yeah, Emily, you guys, crew, everybody, Decision Desk. Shout out to the whole team. And people are gradually figuring out that this and the other podcasts, YouTube world, it actually is the place to be if you want to reach about half the country. Apparently.

Turns out. Apparently. And that way, it was a win for all of us. It was a big win for this table over here. We're going to have a great show for everybody tomorrow, and we'll see you all then. This is an iHeart Podcast.