Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 12/1/25: OpenAI Financial Disaster, CIA Linked Afghan DC Shooter, Bibi Begs For Pardon

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

Krystal and Saagar discuss OpenAI losing money, CIA linked Afghan shoots National Guard in DC, Bibi begs for pardon.   Juan David Rojas: https://x.com/rojasrjuand/ Seth Harp: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/730414/the-fort-bragg-cartel-by-seth-harp/      To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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enough job of going over and actually interviewing some of the people who are most affected. So they actually opened the story with cattle ranchers in Georgia, quote, they had one thing on their minds when they cast their ballots for the state's utility board to make a statement. They were irked by their escalating electric bills, not to mention extra 50 bucks a month levied by their local utility to cover a new power plant more than 200 miles away. but after they heard a data center might be built next to their ranch, 60 miles southwest of Atlanta, they had enough of Republicans who were far too receptive to the interests of the booming AI industry. First time I ever voted Democrat, Mr. Payton 58 said.

So you can see in that anecdote the political price now, as this has propelled two Democrats in the state of Georgia to upset. You also, as I have said here before, there are opposition organic movements across the nation, Tucson, Arizona, here in Virginia, New Jersey, all the candidates here in Virginia, basically we're like against data centers. The power bills, just what it demonstrates, I think, is that because we have finite amounts of power for a variety of reasons, mostly corruption, but because of that reason, and we're all kind of competing against one another, and at the same time, the government is going all in, based literally on the AI industry, that this will offset a lot of their costs, which are,

a huge bet on AI, which may not actually be a good bet, and then socialize it to the entire United States and the consumer who's already struggling with inflation. So I think it's one of those where as power prices, you know, look, I think they're going to continue to go up or broadly stay up because of this. And a lot of the industry has continues to pour all these billions of dollars, which is good for the stock market, not necessarily good for the, quote, real economy because it's the only thing really propping us all of that up. It's a huge bet that's increasing costs on the way up, and it could also increase costs on the way down if it does cause a recession. I think that's one of the most dangerous points. No, in that Georgia election,

so no Democrats had been elected to that board since 2007. Okay. And you have two Democrats who won by like massive, they won by like 20 points. It was not close. And so, you know, there were a variety of reasons. When I saw that, I was like, you know, it fits my own view of world a little too closely, that this would be all driven by electricity prices and by data centers. So I was glad to see the New York Times go and actually interview voters and come to find out, those voters were like, yes, I'm a lifelong Republican. And I cast my ballot for two Democrats because I am disgusted with the rate hikes and the data center build downs that are impacting my life directly. So I'm not saying that's 100% of what was going on. Part of what was going

on as a low turnout election. Part of what was going on is there were some, I think, Atlanta municipal elections that drove more Democrats to the polls. Those were factors as well that led it to be such a blowout. But it certainly appears that the data center build out and the fact of consistent rate hikes and electricity bills skyrocketing led to the blowout victory of these two Democrats. Now you have, you know, other Democrats who are really picking up the message, realizing that this is an incredibly potent issue. As Sagra mentioned, you had a few trial runs in Virginia as well, where that messaging really seemed to pay off. Mikey Sherrill also ran on freezing any rate hikes on the utilities in New Jersey. So that seems

to have helped to power her victory as well. Tomorrow we're going to cover this Tennessee special election that is happening tomorrow in a Trump plus 22 district where you have the Democrat, Afton Bain, who is running aggressive. also on overall affordability, specifically on electricity prices. And I don't know that she's going to be able to pull it off. It is a tough hill to climb. And again, a Trump plus 22 district. But they are nervous enough on the Republican side that they've sent in J.D. Vance.

They've sent in Mike Johnson. They're fundraising aggressively. They're running all sorts of very aggressive ads against her. Like, they are nervous that this could be an upset. And the fact that she's even in the ballpark is completely insane. So, you know, we've covered here how Steve Bannon and others realize that this is an incredibly potent populist issue. And the Trump administration is driving the train in terms of the AI builddown. Republicans, of course, are always very close to, you know, to corporate power.

Many Democrats are as well, too, by the way. But I think this is going to become a more and more salient issue as people connect the dots of these data centers that are going in that I'm not super happy about anyway and my electricity price is going. up. Yeah, of course. And one of the things that we have to keep looking behind the scenes at is what about the money? How, where is it going to come from? Because it's not just now. It's already fueling the data center, boom. It's 10 years in the future. Let's go to the next one, please. Put this on the screen. So they say, open AI is, quote, a loss making machine. Estimates it has no road to profitability by 2030 and will need a further $200 billion in funding, even if it gets there. Quote, don't call it a bubble. Loss Making Monster is on the hook for $1.4 trillion with a

T in compute commitments as companies start turning to debt to fund the AI craze. I actually thought that they summarized it really well and showed even within their funding because even I didn't understand the extent to which not only are the losses, the problem, how even with their hundreds of billions in capitalization, that they still don't have the money to even fulfill all of their commitments. This is why I said, you're going to pay on the way up in terms of power prices, and you can pay on the way down. If we have a recession, that's going to affect everything. And everybody's going to get fired, no matter whether you're working to AI or not, because that's what happened with the financial crisis, too. That's what happens. Sox start to go

down 25, 30 percent. It's a disaster, right? Obviously. And so you can see in all of this that the signs are bubbling up. Let's go to the next one. This is one of the most important ones. We didn't cover it, unfortunately, at the time. This happened about 12, 15 days ago. But you'll remember, I talked about a lot of those vendor finance deal. where they announce a deal and then the stock goes up effectively paying for it, even though no money has yet changed hands. This Oracle deal was really important. They say Oracle is already underwater on its, quote, astonishing $300 billion open AI deal. Because what happened is that when Oracle announced the $300 deal with the chatbot, its stock shed some $315 billion in market

value. Now, obviously, market cap is not the only thing. You know, that's not exactly. exactly saying that they lost some 300 billion, but the equivalence of, quote, Oracle shares have little changed overtwine. So the $60 billion loss figure is not entirely wrong. And what it has done is this cost it nearly as much as one entire General Motors or two entire Kraft Heinz. Investor unease stems from the betting of a debt finance data farm on OpenAI. We have nothing, what they show also is that the theory goes that Open AI is in a rush to, quote, discover AGI. and that Oracle is, quote, uniquely able to scale the compute capacity. They promise the lowest up-from cost and the fastest path to income generation,

but, quote, Oracle doesn't have as much operating profit to burn as its competitors, so throwing everything that it can at supporting this one customer in exchange for an IOU. Now, the fact is, though, is that the fact that their market cap and their stock is not performing means that people are having less faith in that IOU for the... And you should, shouldn't you? It doesn't make any sense in the aggregate. So I don't know. I just think that the problem remains.

The cost is going up for all of us. And if it works, the cost will only continue to go more. But as it goes down and it just increasingly looks like at some point, something needs to pop that we will be left kind of like with the wreckage of all these data centers. And then it will be put to use for what? We won't have AGI. We won't cure cancer. Well, I'll show you all what it's being used for.

Right now, C4, let's put this up here on the screen. This is new, quote, nanobanana versus nanobanana pro. So on the left, this is an image generator, was a previous image generator of, this is a girl who's at a bar, if you're just listening, bartender in the back. You can just tell it doesn't pass the test. It has this certain sheen to it, where it looks a little bit. It looks good, but it looks a little surreal.

Right. If you have a sophisticated eye, you could look at that one and go, I think that's AI. Yeah. the one on the right, for those who are watching, that's also AI generated. It looks 100%. There's nothing in that photograph that I could be able to identify as fake. Not one. Absolutely not. The lighting is perfect. It looks like the girl, whoever sitting across from her took a picture with their iPhone and posted it. Yes. It's indistinguishable from reality. Not a single thing

passes the test on that one for me to say that that is fake. And so, yeah, I mean, that's really what it all. And this kind of remains my critique, is that everything they're doing is slop. It's just slopifying the entire economy. It's like, oh, image generation. I keep talking about the NFL. But it is important because nobody who's curing cancer is advertising on the NFL. They just, the results are the same. Instead, they're like, hey, book a flight or whatever. I'm like, oh, do you want to replace Expedia? You basically want to replace Google Chrome. That's what they did with the chat GPT browser. That is not worth all this money being poured and the power bill. and everything, image generation.

Like, I'm sorry, yes, it's a better research tool. Cool. I actually think it's cool. I use it often. But that's not the promise of like this breakthrough, you know, kind of thing. It could come, potentially, with all of that, but I'm not buying, I'm not buying it. Well, I hope you're right. Yeah.

Because I think the actual promise being fulfilled, you know, I think is a much scarier prospect of them actually making good on their promise to eliminate all or most jobs. I don't think we're ready for that. I don't think we're ready for this. I don't think we're ready for a world where we can't tell fact from fiction. I mean, you think we have responsible political actors and an educated society to be able to parse things out?

Do you think that our tech oligarchs that are running our information ecosystem like Elon with Grok? Do you think that they're going to responsibly use this technology? I think this is already where it's at incredibly disturbing and incredibly destabilizing. You know, for us to have a sort of shared project here, we have to at least have some metric of a shared reality. And that is under full-scale

assault by these AI tools. And there is nothing in place to protect us at this point. One last thing, going back to that Financial Times piece about Oracle and the deal with Open AI, you know, one of the reasons why this is so significant is because if you think about that infamous chart that showed all the lines going from Nvidia to Open AI and from OpenAI back and, you know, all these companies just doing deals with themselves, the way that the bubble has continued to be inflated is that every time one of those deals got done, even though no real new value was being created, investors liked it. And the stock price went up. So there was some, you know, sort of theoretical value that was created, even though nothing real had happened in the

economy. Because this deal, which was a sizable deal, didn't react, there wasn't a similar stock market reaction, it begs the question of whether this mechanism that they've used to inflate the bubble, inflate the bubble, and keep the line going up, whether that has run its course. So one of the things that has inflated the bubble seems this is one indication that that particular mechanism may have run its course. The way they put it in the article, as they say, beyond the charts, a broader question relates to whether an open AI deal is still worth announcing a few months ago any kind of agreement with open AI can make a share price go up. OpenAI did very nicely out of its power to reflect glory, most notably in October when it took AMD warrants as part of a chip deal that bumped share price by 24%. But Oracle is not the only laggard. Broadcom and Amazon are both down following Open AI deal news. While Nvidia's barely changed since its investment agreement in September without a share price lift, what's the point? Combined trillion dollars of AI CapEx might look like commitment, but investment fashions are fickle. So another warning sign that

possibly this thing could be running out of run my. Now, my own opinion, not being an expert in any of this, is that they are going to continue to inflate this bubble as long as they possibly can because they have to. Because a bunch of their fortunes are tied to it. The entire U.S. economy is tied to it. I mean, these companies already are too big to fail simply from the fact that we have as, you know, that our leaders have decided to bet our entire economy on this stuff. So I think they will move heaven and earth to make sure line continue to go up. But at some point, either they're going to deliver on their promise slash threat to take all of our jobs, or you're going to have a tremendous financial calamity and also perhaps both is

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We want to make sure we have plenty of time with Seth Harp to discuss. Let's get to it. So as you guys probably know, over the holiday, two National Guardsmen were shot here in Washington, D.C., and one of them actually succumbed to their wounds.

We were learning quite a bit about the suspected gunman who was in Afghan National who is apparently part of our CIA-backed death squads in Afghanistan before coming over and being granted refugee asylum status here in the U.S. So to dig into this background and what exactly the hell is going on with it, we have literally the perfect person, Seth Harp, who is an incredible investigative journalist and also the author of the also incredible book,

The Fort Bragg Cartel, which we learned as being turned into a series by HBO. Seth, great to have you. Good to see you, man. Good to be with y'all. Thanks for having me. Yeah, of course. So let's put E2 up on the screen. This is some of your writing on Twitter about who this guy was. You say he was recruited at 15 to kill for the CIA, assigned to a death squad run by the top drug lord in Afghanistan, soul destroyed, murdering innocence on behalf of a pedophile heroin cartel, then brought to live in the alienated hell world of late capitalist America with predictable results. Tell us what we know about him specifically and about the death squads that he was involved with. Well, that statement that you just showed up there might sound hyperbolic, but unfortunately, those are all accurate statements of reality around this guy and who he was and what the zero units did in Afghanistan. Raman Walla Lakkan, I'm sorry, pronouncing his name. He apparently was recruited at 15 to serve in what's called.

zero unit. Zero unit number three was the one apparently that he was assigned to, also known as the Kandahar Strike Force, which was headed by a U.S. ally, a warlord named Ahmad Wali Karzai, who the top drug lord in Afghanistan as a fair way to describe him. He ran, you know, the zero units for basically U.S. proxy forces that operated at the direction of the CIA and the special forces in Afghanistan and they primarily did what's called night raids, euphemistically known as night. They're more like assassination missions. And they were used extensively throughout the country to kill people that the U.S. intelligence suspected of being Taliban, whether or not they actually were Taliban is quite a different matter. And the reference to pedophilia there is the

fact that a lot of these proxy forces, proxy militias, in fact, practiced something called Bacha Bazi, which was a really despicable cultural practice where underage boys were trafficked and sold. All of this u.s. this ugliness is stuff that went on in the sort of in the criminal client state that the u.s. American national security objectives in Afghanistan, the kandahar strike force that he served in was in the middle of all of it. There was more stuff to it than that is well, land theft, all kinds of criminality. So it's really sad to see that stuff blowing back onto the United States. Yeah, so let's put the next one, guys, up there on the screen.

This is E3. This talks about his dark isolation. The community was raising concerns. Many of the people around him. Seth, I want to put my conspiracy hat on, and I'll just have you kind of steelman, the official narrative, is that. This is somebody who was exposed to CIA Death Squad. for years. He's brought over to the United States, suffered mental isolation. At the same time, we've seen many cases of people come to the United States. They're in a dark. They're in a

fragile case. They have this killer background. Is it outside the realm of possibility? I'm not saying there's evidence or anything just based on your, based on your interpretation, your experience of covering this. I mean, how was there, is there any likelihood or possibility of being prodded or influenced by some organization or others around them? I think a lot of people are asking that question considering his background i mean it would be irresponsible of me to just speculate about that without evidence i do hear what you're saying you know what it was um the gusanos uh from cuba of the 1960s that all the cubans that were brought to florida to train to try to overthrow fidel castro in the failed bay of pigs operation well after that operation

failed for years and years in the 1960s and 70s and 80s um those same veterans of the bay of pigs those They were used to carry out all sorts of off-the-books, CIA and J-Soc objectives. All across Latin America, they did terrorism and drug trafficking at the behest of some of the shadiest factors in the American national security state. And so when you look at the idea that 10,000 of these zero units, you know, doing assassination missions for 10, 15 years, that they've all been repatriated to the U.S. and are dependent on their celsius. CIA handlers for their immigration status for their special immigrant visas, you kind of wonder, you know, to what extent they're a malleable group of people that I'm used and directed for all kinds of nefarious ends. But I don't have any specific information about this

about this killer's motives. Lock on Wall is his last name. Yeah. You have pointed out, put E4 up on the screen that there was another one of these Afghan mercenaries who you said was brought to the U.S. after Kabul fell, shot a cop in Virginia. You say, listen to the incredible rant. He delivers before he snaps and watch how smoothly he draws and racks his weapon, obviously, a professional killer at his wit's end. And I believe Seth, didn't he say something like, you know, I should have worked for the Taliban. Yeah, I should have served with the fucking Taliban before he draws his weapon on the cops. Yes, that video is very distressing and impressive to hearing all the things that that Afghan man says,

you know, he's another guy who apparently served in a zero unit or served with the special forces in the CIA. By the way, when we say these people serve with the CIA, I should point out that that's, you know, these are substantially military operations. It's what they call sheet dipping. It's where they say, okay, nominally the CIA is in charge of this mission, but we're going to attach like 30 J-Soc guys or 30 Green Berets to this raid or whatever.

And that way that they're exempt from, a lot of the rules that normally apply to military operation in certain things, like lining people up against the wall and just shooting them, which is the sort of stuff that the zero units did. But in any event, this guy, Jamal Wally, apparently also served in the same sort of capacity. And in the video, which is really incredible, eight-minute-long video when he gets pulled over in Virginia, you can see the sort of frustrations that he faces coming to the United States. It's hard not to sympathize with the guy because, you know, imagine being an Afghan who only knows the world of death and drug dealing that characterized occupied Afghanistan to come over to the United States and try to make a life in a place like suburban Virginia and try to figure out things like getting a job and car insurance.

And he's complaining that he can't get a job, that he can't get disability, and that he can't get a driver's license because he doesn't have insurance, which is the reason why the cop pulled him over. And you can just see that the guy's really, you know, completely at his wits end. More police are arriving on the scene and the tension is building. And the guy's armed. For some reason, he appears to be wearing his sidearm and ammunition, like externally on a belt, which, you know, that's legal in Texas. I don't know, Virginia. Yeah. But when he finally makes the decision that he's going to escalate and turn this into a confrontation with the cop, I mean, the way he draws this weapon and racks it so quickly and immediately is able to turn around and fire a couple of shots like underhanded across his body at the police officer staying in his window so smoothly shows, you know, I could just watch it.

You can tell this is a guy who's been in fights probably. but, you know, there was a cop at his other window who just really quickly put him down. But it's another really disturbing example of, you know, violence blowing back or emanating from these guys that were brought to the U.S. I mean, it's about the clearest example of Imperial Blowback you could possibly imagine. I think that's fair to say. Yeah, and I think one of the things that's been crazy about this, Chris, or Seth, is that, you know, we're reading the news and it comes out. CIA at age 15. Everyone's like, oh, it was CIA at age.

And I'm like, hold, say that again, teenager, working for a CIA death squad in Afghanistan. And we're just like all supposed to just accept that this is apparently normal. I mean, I didn't even know, you know, based on your work and others later on. But at that time, nobody was going around telling the American people that this is exactly, you know, what they're up to in Afghanistan. Combined, I think with your book, what we're watching is an organized kind of effort for all of us to deal with. like you said in your book about the blowback of what all these special operations, the mental toll in others, that this 20-year campaign, failed campaign, ultimately accomplished and what it brought to our soil. That's the way I was looking at this.

Well, the idea that they would recruit 15 is perfectly consistent with the type of logic that the U.S. military and intelligence agencies bring to bear with these conflicts because they certainly won't hesitate to kill somebody who's 15. They treat that as a military age male. So there's no internal inconsistency there. But back now, I think, reflects the brutality and ruthlessness with which the United States wage war in Afghanistan for 20 years. Christy Noem was asked about the killer's background. This is E1 guys. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that. Why did he do this? Why did he drive across the country and carry out this brazen attack in Washington?

Well, the investigation is still ongoing and we're allowing our partnership with the FBI and DOJ to continue to reveal all of the sources of motivation. But we do believe this individual when they came into the country. We know he was unvetted. He was brought into the country by the Biden administration through Operation Allies Welcome and then maybe vetted after. that, but not done well based on what the guidelines were put forward by President Biden. And now, since he's been here, we believe he could have been radicalized in his home community and in his home state. So as we continue to talk to his family and his contacts, more details will be revealed and will release those when it's appropriate. But this is something that for these individuals, when they're brought into our country, it's a dangerous situation. If you don't

know who they are, if they're coming from a country that's not stable and doesn't have a government they can help you vet them, that we shouldn't allow it. And she indicates that he, quote, could have been radicalized in the United States, which, you know, I would say probably the radicalization came from being on the CIA death squad at the age of 15. But, you know, they want to, they have an interest in making it sound like a scary Islam thing versus a scary deep state CIA imperial blowback thing. And then obviously, like her thing about he wasn't vetted.

I mean, in the context of being part of the death squads and being brought here, et cetera, was quote-unquote vetted. They knew who this guy was. They knew what he was up to and also worth clarifying that he was actually granted asylum under the Trump administration. So they want to make it a partisan thing. They want to make it a scary Islam thing because that serves their interest in using this for a more aggressive crackdown on immigration from all sorts of countries. Trump has been talking a lot about Somalians lately too. Yeah, I don't know what they mean when they say vetted. Vetted for what? I mean, I guess for connections to the Taliban, but it can't be for like terrorism or crime. I mean, the people that

the U.S. work with were the drug traffickers and the terrorists in Afghanistan. Right. So I don't know what kind of connections they're looking for or looking to rule out. But yes, like you said, Crystal, in any event, you know, participating in death squad activities when you're still a teenager, that's sufficient to radicalize anybody. You don't have to look too much farther for an explanation, even though, you know, the precise, perhaps mentally ill reasoning that led him, you know, to that street corner in Washington, D.C. we may never know. But it's not really necessary to grasp at the idea that he might have been what radicalized him. Suburban Virginia, yeah, I don't, I don't think so. I really doubt that radical Islam had anything to do with the shooter's motivation.

I mean, that's why he was attacking National Guards. It looks like he's lashing out at the people who shaped his life with military operations and brought him to the United States and basically set him up to fail in a community where, you know, a person from Afghanistan just has a little chance, especially if they're dealing with all the accumulated trauma of having participated in violence and having killed people and having seen innocent people killed and probably having friends killed as well. So, yeah, Christine Nome's statements can safely be dismissed in that regard. All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us, man. We appreciate you. your book and everything.

And the work you do is just so important. I remember the first time we had you on the show for that drug trafficking story from the very beginning. I was like, man, this guy, it's one of those where you just bring together so much information, which I think a lot of us knew, but you put the facts, the words, and some of the work behind it. So thank you. Thank you so much. And the balls, by the way. Yeah, which we also appreciate and respect. Seth, thank you so much.

Great to see you. Thank you guys so much. I'm a big fan of the show. I watch every day. Thanks, brother. Appreciate that. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught.

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along with some of the darker moments that often get overlooked. Like Thomas Edison and the election. Listen to business history on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So we have some significant developments coming out of Israel, in particular Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is officially requesting a pardon. As you guys probably know, he has been mired in corruption allegations and a corruption trial for years that he, you know, has been pushing off again and again into the future by. bombing various places and starting various wars. Let's put this up on the screen. This is from the AP. Netanyahu requests a pardon to end his ongoing corruption trial in Israel.

I read you a little bit of this. On Sunday, he asked the country's president to grant him a pardon from corruption charges seeking to end a long-running trial that has bitterly divided the nation. Netanyahu has been at war against Israel's legal system over the charges, said the request would help unify the country at a time of momentous change in the region, but it immediately triggered denunciations from opponents who set a pardon would weaken democratic institutions and send a dangerous message that he is above the rule of law. Netanyahu had submitted a request for a pardon to the legal department of the office of the president.

The prime minister's office said in a statement, the president's office called it an extraordinary request, carrying with it significant implications. Netanyahu is the only sitting prime minister in Israeli history to stand trial after being charged with fraud, breach of trust and accepting bribes in three separate cases accusing him of exchanging favors with wealthy political supporters. He has not been convicted of anything. Netanyahu rejects the allegations, has described the case as what a witch hunt orchestrated by the media, police, and judiciary. And we can put next one up on the screen. So one of his rivals supports pardoning Netanyahu if its condition on his leaving politics, which I do not think that Netanyahu would agree to. You know, for those who have followed this closely prior to October 7th, Netanyahu was extremely unpopular. the country was riven with mass protests demanding his ouster and people, you know, who were outraged over this corruption and also the changes that he tried to make to basically co-opt the judiciary in order to undercut the corruption charges against him. And our own president,

of course, has gotten involved here as well. It can put F3 up on the screen. So Trump called for BB to be pardoned when he gave that, you know, what was basically like looked like a victory speech at the Knesset after the Gaza deal was struck. But he had also put on this truth social saying it's terrible what they're doing in Israel to BB Netanyahu. He is a war hero and a prime minister who did a fabulous job, working with the U.S. to bring great success in getting rid of the dangerous nuclear threat in Iran. Importantly is right now in the process of negotiating deal with Hamas. This was back from a while ago, which will include getting the hostages back.

How is it possible that the prime minister of Israel can be forced to sit in a courtroom all day long over nothing? And then he says cigars, bugs bunny doll, et cetera. It is a political witch hunt, very similar to the witch. hunt, I was forced to endure. This travesty of justice will interfere with both Iran and Hamas negotiations. In other words, it is insanity doing what the out of control prosecutors are doing to Bibi Netanyahu. The U.S. of A spends billions of dollars a year far more than any other nation protecting and supporting Israel. Well, that part at least is true. We're not going to stand for

this. We just had a great victory with B.B. Netanyahu at the helm and this greatly tarnishes our victory. Let Bibi go. He's got a big job to do. So, you know, pretty extraordinary, I guess, One of the things they're saying is typically you go through the trial and find out whether or not the person is found guilty before you grant the pardon. So that is one part of this. That would be extraordinary. But, you know, Netanyahu has pushed this thing off, push this thing off, pushed this thing off, pushed a reckoning over the security failures, too, of October 7th, off and off and to the future. And really has consolidated a lot of political power, control, and popularity within Israel over his. conduct of this genocide. Yes, I think, but I think that the irony of it is that he still has to

admit guilt if he wants his pardon within the Israeli legal system. And so I don't know. I mean, it's one of those where the mere pardon, one of the things that is fascinating about Trump is that the United States, when it intervenes in other countries, usually does so under much more of the veneer of respectability. But as we talked about earlier with Honduras, he's straight up like, I want this government to win. And so I'm going to pardon this guy. And you guys should vote for. Or in with Millay. He's like, your aid is contingent on who you elect.

I mean, it's as open and shut as, like, there's no Maidan conspiracy. Yeah, it's just brazen in the open. Right. It's just out in the open. And so I guess what this admits, though, is that, yeah, Israel is a client. Like, one of the things that Beebe often does is he'll be like, well, we're an independent nation, right? But that's not what this is about. Trump straight up was like, you guys need to pardon him.

His contingent relationship is on this leader and making sure that he can continue to serve. Also, to ominous bullshit did we hear about how throughout the war is we'll talk about October 7th after the war. Now, obviously, the war is still continuing because there's ceasefire violations happening from the Israelis all the time. But in Israel, what happened to that? Does anybody want to, you know, it's obvious that his entire strategy, it worked. Two years led Israel through the war. Okay. And now he's going to get his pardon.

I don't know if he'll win reelection or not, but they're currently feuding with Aoud Barack over whether Epstein was a most odd asset and intervening in their election. Over who he was working on behalf? Over which Israeli government he was working on behalf? Okay. Yeah, it's just so crazy, you know, this entire thing. So the pardon, I mean, again, the funny part about it all for the whole Qatar thing is it all involves Qatar, like in terms, not just in his own case, but I'm saying the

corruption within the Lekud Party, so much of it revolves around Qatar. money and bribery. And yet, of course, that's skated over by the Zionist people here in the U.S. So I don't know. You learn a lot from it. Yeah. It's crazy. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.

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you get your podcast. At the same time, we also wanted to highlight this horrifying video that is forcing at least some sort of a response from Israel. You know, I mean, it's seldom that their war crimes actually rise to the level of them even pretending that. This one rose to the level of we're going to pretend to do an investigation. That's what this one rose to. This video is very disturbing before I play at just a warning. This is deeply disturbing. We can put this up on the screen. This was in the West Bank. You can see these two suspects who are exiting what appears to be a warehouse. And they lift up their shirts to show that they are unarmed and they don't have any explosives, then they are instructed to go back

into the warehouse and they are executed. And then the, you know, this heavy machinery sort of drops this door on top of them. But, you know, you have two individuals hands up, unarmed, and whoever they were, Palestinian Islamic jihad is claiming them as their own. Whoever they were, you are not supposed to execute people. who are surrendering and who are unarmed. And yet that's exactly, exactly what happened in this video. And again, this happened in the West Bank.

But, you know, so there are some in, you know, recrimination, some like, oh, we'll look into it. We'll investigate what happened here. But not everyone is even going along with that. You've got Ben Gavir who took it upon himself. We can put this next piece up on the screen to promote the officer in particular, who sort of took charge of the scene and had his soldiers shoot dead, these surrendered Palestinians. So the, you know, the people who committed this brazen crimes on camera, not only are they

not being punished, but Ben Gavir has promoted this officer and, you know, job well done, great work on this. This is exactly what you should be doing. So I want people to understand, Like every time some Zionist or liberal Zion, whoever, tries to tell you, like, oh, he's a, Ben-Gavir is a, he's a fringe character, he doesn't represent all of Israel, blah, blah, blah. This guy has real power. He is a part of this administration. He has real and significant power, and he is able to take actions such as this. There was another video I decided not to keep it in the show because it included, like, young children in it, of Smocurch, who was another complete and total psycho. going into what appears to be a classroom

and these young girls going, like he's the Beatles in the 60s, like going wild for him. You know, this society has just, it's just captured by this, not everyone, but captured by this genocidal media. You can see it in the polls. You can see it in the response to actions like this.

You can see it in the way that they like lionize and revere Smotrish. And this is something we talked about towards the beginning saga when everyone's like, why are these IDF soldiers filming their atrocities? It's because they were celebrated and treated like heroes oftentimes for recording the cruelty, the barbarians and the war crimes that they were committing against Palestinians. So there was a domestic reward for them from those videos. Yeah, and it shows up in policy.

I think that's one of the parts where, you know, in the U.S., everyone just whitewashed. Like that video, yeah, you'll see it here. You're not going to see it most places in the mainstream media or others. even with the West Bank in the way that we approach like our ambassador it's just amazing to me the shit they get away

I'm still not over Jonathan Pollard are you? No. I'm still so I'm so angry about it. The hypocrisy they tell us

oh they share our Western values. They're a light of a beacon of democracy and that's why we should support them endlessly and then you see a video

like this and you're like well tell me about that and the officer involved gets a promotion how is this anything approximated the values that we're supposed to stand for.

Yeah, exactly. Same with the West Bank. And that's why, here's the reason, is because if you take this in, then when they start talking about Qatar or Saudi, they're like, oh, because Saudis, they chop people's heads off. I'm like, yeah, that's pretty bad.

It's kind of like shooting people who are unarmed or murdering innocent women and children. That's all bad, right? But the point is that then we start to view everybody on the same terms. That's a nightmare for that. They need their special exception,

and they just have to maintain this, insane image, you know, here in the U.S., a lot of this, like, again, everything they accuse, a lot of the things that they accuse others, and specifically Islamic nations, they do the same shit, like in their own society. And so, yeah, you're, you guys, you're just the same, if anything. I think it's a nightmare, actually, for their relations with the U.S. And, you know, look, us, neutral observers and others, you can see that. Like, you actually can. And this is genuinely dispassionate, just to look at it and be like, okay, this is apparently how this nation, its people want to conduct themselves, all right, fine, but you know, that doesn't

mean you get a blank check from me or the, you know, full force of my empire to backstop your insane dreams of greater Israel. But that's what they need to maintain. Yeah. And that's why they keep up their efforts here in the West. I did want to share one piece of significant good news, which is that a Palestinian-American teenager, 16-year-old, who was being held in Israeli detention for nine months, who was in the West Bank visiting from Florida, visiting some relatives, the Israelis claimed that he had thrown rocks, which he had denied. And they held him in this prison system as known for torture and abuse. Again, an American citizen. And he was finally, finally released. And I want to shout on Jasper Nathaniel. And I want to shout out his mom, who have been

relentless in calling attention to this case and demanding that American politics. politicians act on his behalf to get him released from this unjust imprisonment. And I also want to shout out Chris Mann-Hollin, Senator Maryland. I mean, this isn't even, this guy's from Florida. This isn't even one of his constituents. But he was apparently very aggressive pushing for Muhammad Ibrahim's release here. He was 15, by the way, when they originally detained him. He was taken to a hospital afterwards. He was pale, underweight, suffering from various conditions that he, you know, contracted in captivity, but he's back with his family. And so that's at least one small piece of good news that this particular American hostage, which was being

held by the Israelis, a child, has been freed and returned to his family where he belongs. Yep. That's, that's, at the very least, it's good. But yeah, I mean, it's not like there's any outrage or campaign, barely any coverage, even of something like this. Yeah. It's sick. I don't know what's going on with this relationship. But anyways, thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it. We're going to get to our AMA now, and so we'll see you all tomorrow. Hi, I'm Dr. Priyanko Wally. And I'm Hurricane DeBolu. On our new podcast, Health Stuff, we demystify your burning health questions. You'll hear us being completely honest about her own health. My residency colon was like a cry for help, honestly. And you'll hear candid advice and personal

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