Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 12/15/23: RFK JR. CHALLENGED On Israel, Free Speech, Epstein

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

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Very pleased to bring you all today an interview with independent presidential candidate, the one and only RFK Jr. Welcome back. Great to see you, sir. Thanks for having me. Yeah, of course. Of course, sir. Well, you're probably the foremost independent candidate that we've seen in this country for quite a long time. And one of the things that we really want to do in this interview is to take you seriously. So one of the things that you've talked about is gaining ballot access. So can you guarantee that you're going to be on the ballot in all 50 states? We just saw an Axios report.

You've got about $15 million appropriated. You're going to be on the ballot in eight states you're targeting. But can you guarantee you're going to be on all 50 of these ballots? We'll be on the ballot in all 50 states and the district. Okay. And what's the plan for that? Because as I understand it, you're not on the ballot yet in a single state. I know you successfully were able to challenge the law in Utah, but do you have ground operations in every single one? We're now fully submitted and approved in Utah. Okay. That's our first state, but we have, yeah, we have 250,000 volunteers, and we have, you know—

Extraordinary. It's extraordinary. Yeah, we have many more than any other campaign, and we're very confident that we can get it. Most of the states, it's pretty basic. There's a handful of states that make it very, very difficult. New York is one. California is another. Texas is another. And you have to pay attention to the rules, and we'll probably have to do some litigation, and they're going to litigate against us.

But we're shooting for getting, I think, 60% cushion, so we're going to get what we need plus 60% more, so if they knock out some signatures, we should have a cushion enough to be able to. You made an interesting comment. I think it was on the Theo Vaughn podcast. You said that when you go independent, that you're going to take more votes away from Trump. So now you've been doing this now for a couple of months. What do your internal polling show in terms of the support who you're drawing? Is it Biden? Is it Trump? Is it non-voters? What do you see? We're drawing pretty evenly and we're getting a lot from people, from non-voters.

The reason why Politico did a piece on us that showed where they did a really meticulous breakdown of our donor base. And they said in that that a shocking number of our donors were people who never donated to a political campaign before, and that's what we're finding. But, you know, when I just anecdotally, the people coming to our rallies are from all across the board. I think the early polling showed me pulling more from Trump. But, you know, the big polls are probably polls are probably – the big polls like Quinnipiac and Harvard-Harris, New York-Siena that are looking at 3,000, 4,000 people are probably even more accurate than our internal polls. So you'd know as much as I do. Got it.

But I think it's pretty even. Do you think you're going to be on the debate stage with Biden and Trump? Have you had a plan with the Commission on Presidential Debates? Well, I don't know. Do you think Biden's going to debate? Well, that's a great question for you. You know him. You know him better than we do.

Yeah, but I haven't seen him in years. I have not seen him do an unscripted event in, I think, a year at least. So I don't know what they're going to do. But the rules are they have three debates scheduled, and I have them on my personal schedule. So I have at least that much confidence that they'll let me on. But the rule is, the rule that they've adopted, if you have 15% of the vote, you're on, and I'm way above that.

Okay. That's actually a quick thing on that. So you mentioned about Biden not debating. Last time that we spoke, you didn't want to get into Biden's mental status, his fitness for president. You're independent now. You're not running in the Democratic primary. You just made that comment about him debating. Do you want to go into that?

I mean, do you think that he's fit? Well, I was asking you what you thought. Okay. Well, I was asking you what you thought. I think it's an issue that is now publicly debated and publicly discussed, which is his mental acuity. And I think it's fair to say, are you able to debate? I mean, it takes a tremendous amount of energy and vigor to run this country. And are you up to that, particularly at this point in history. So I think it's fair for people to ask that, not in a mean-spirited way.

But we've seen, I think yesterday he did a press conference in which the answers appeared to have been written out for him in advance. And that's, you know, I think the president ought to be able to debate and he ought to be able to have unscripted conversations with people. Yeah. One of the things we've been trying to look at is gaming out how things are going to go. So if you're going to be polling, you're getting 27, 30 percent possibly of the vote. And we are in a scenario. We've got multiple different candidates. There's no electoral college victory. Have you thought about what that's going to look like? What is your endgame if there is no electoral college victory for the House of Representatives?

And how would the election play out? I think a lot of people have been asking that question with respect to your run. If that happens, if there's a contingent election, the Senate then chooses the vice president. Right. And the House chooses the president. And they get one vote per state. So if you look at an electoral map, there's nine more Republican states than there are Democratic states. And so you would assume that Trump would run. But if you look at the individual congressional delegations, neither candidate can get 26 votes because a lot of the delegates, the delegations are split from, you know, just as an example, Minnesota is split 50-50. So the Republicans are never going to vote for Trump because their careers will be ruined.

And the, I mean, the Republicans are never going to vote for Biden and Democrats are not going to vote for Trump because their careers will be ruined. I mean the Republicans are never going to vote for Biden. Democrats are not going to vote for Trump. So they would have to find a compromise candidate. And in that case, I'm probably in good shape because my polling, all the public polling shows my favorability ratings ahead of anybody. So what that would mean is that I'm the second choice for people who are voting for Trump and, you know, a lot of people are voting for Biden. So, you know, that's one scenario.

But this is all speculation and, you know, nobody and spin and all of that, which I don't like to do and predictions. But, you know, we have looked at it. You have to think about it. Yeah, we have to think about it. Right. So I guess to continue down on this road, let's say we're in a scenario. You are in one.

We have a minority of electoral college votes. Would you release your electors to Biden or to Trump after the first round? Or would you insist on being a compromised candidate? Oh, I have no idea. We haven't had this happen since, I think it's like... Yeah, I would, I mean, I would not even, like, I would make no comment or prediction on that. I, you know, I intend to win. I think if I'm, I'm not a betting person, my wife bets a lot and plays poker. But if I had to,

and I also don't like to make predictions or like to make spin, but if I had to put money on a candidate right now, I would put it on me. All right. Well, my last question kind of for this section is, we watched a lot of people, conservative media figures, Sean Hannity, a lot of large conservative Twitter accounts. They built you up when you were running the Democratic Party. I watched them kind of turn a little bit on you. On a dime. Pretty much immediately whenever you decided to run for independent. Sean Hannity definitely turned on you.

He did. We watched it all night. We might have covered it here. I can't remember. There was a lot of drama preceding that, too. Tell us about it. Well, I don't want to go into it, but it all. We watched it. We might have covered it here. I can't remember. We did. There was a lot of drama preceding that, too. Tell us about it. What is it? Well, I don't want to go into it, but it was, I had a long relationship with Sean because during the, you know, when I had this weird relationship with Roger Ailes, who was the founder of Fox News.

And when I was 19 years old, I spent three months in a tent with him in Africa. Yeah, I remember you telling me this. And then I had this weird relationship because he was like Darth Vader to me. And we were absolutely antithetical politically, but he was a very loyal friend. And he would, when I wanted to talk about the environment on issues, he would make the foxholes or urge them to, like Neil Cabuto, like Bill O'Reilly, and like Sean, have me on. So I assumed he was twisting their arm, but maybe they wanted me on. I don't know. But I would talk about the environment on it, and I had a lot of run-ins, which on – we were like oil and water all that time.

Right. And then he kind of ambushed me once early on in the campaign, and I just said, okay. I learned my lesson from that. But then he called me, and he asked to call me on a weekend. And he called me and he said he wanted to talk to me for about 40 minutes. And so I had a very pleasant conversation. He said, I want you to come back and I'm going to treat you fairly this time. I was like, okay.

And then I went back and I had a great time on his show. And then he did a town hall and it was wonderful. And then as soon as Trump announced, I got bushwhacked as well. And I just sat there and took it for 20 minutes. It's just part of the deal. Yeah, it was kind of amazing to watch how quickly though. Like it was literally- It was a bit on a dime.

Yeah, some people even were openly like— Yes, actually, we have covered here before, there was a conservative influencer, he's got over a million followers, he said, look, I built up RFK when he was a threat to Biden. He's like, but now we have to highlight all the little things that he believes. But you have no problem with that. It is what it is. Yeah, it is what it is. Let's turn to a little bit— I'm grateful for them letting me on when they did.

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Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So let's turn to a little bit of policy and specifically the topic of Israel, obviously very much in the news right now. So President Biden's administration, they have said that they have no red lines for the state of Israel and their conduct in this war. Do you have any red lines for Israel? Well, you know, the red lines are that, you know, you don't deliberately, you do everything you can, which I think Israel is doing right now,

to avoid civilian casualties. But, you know, there's collateral damage in every war, and they're fighting an implacable enemy. I mean, I don't think there's any country in the world that would go as far as Israel has gone to not invade Gaza. I mean, Israel was being bombed by Hamas, took over Gaza. Israel walked out of Gaza. There's no occupation of Gaza. There's a blockade, though. Well, there's a blockade because Hamas declared war on Israel and sent suicide bombers off.

So they put up a fence. That's like the guy who kills his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he's an orphan. For them to say that they're blockaded, they're like, yeah, they're blockaded. And it's not just Israel that's blockading them. It's Egypt. Everybody has a problem with Hamas. In fact, after the 73 War, after the 67 War, Israel tried to give Hamas back to Egypt. And Egypt didn't want to take it because— You mean Gaza? I mean Gaza, sorry,as back to Egypt, and Egypt didn't want to take it because of the high level of militant Islam that Egypt considered a threat to its own government.

But let's talk about the – Let me just finish. Sure. Israel – Hamas took over in 2006. Right. And they immediately started shelling Israel. So they sent, on average, 2,000 rockets a year on civilian populations. Their charter and their public statements day after day, it's against Islamic law for them to even negotiate with Israel except as a ruse. It says that in their charter.

The only satisfaction for them, the only goal is to annihilate Israel and kill every Jew, not just in Israel, but all around the world. So Israel, instead of going in and attacking, you know, if Mexico elected a communist government and the communist government began sending shells onto civilian populations in San Antonio and Houston and say, you know, we're going to retake Texas, which they have a legitimate claim to. We're going to retake it. How long would it take us to go in there? It wouldn't take us very long.

We would go in and we would do whatever it took to take out the people who were sending the shells. And Israel, instead of doing that, Israel did something extraordinary, which is it invested in an iron dome, which is to defend itself. Again, just to live with missiles, there's thousands, tens of thousands of Israelis on that part of Israel that have been raised in bomb shelters. Who would put up with that? There's nobody in the world. No one here is excusing the actions of Hamas.

But I think you would agree that one atrocity does not justify another. So how can you—hold on. Wait a minute. Hold on, hold on, hold on. How can you say, though, how can you say— I've been calling it an atrocity. I haven't finished my question. Go ahead.

How can you say that Israel is doing everything they can to avoid civilian death when the civilian death toll, even by Israeli estimates, and this is the low, this is the best possible number you could put on it, is 61% innocent civilians, thousands of children, thousands of women. That's worse than the combination of every 20th century conflict combined. So how can you look at that and combine with the complete siege of 2.2 million people and say that they are doing everything they can to protect civilian life? First of all, what you said is not true. What's not true? We killed 750,000 civilians in Iraq.

She's talking percentage-wise. What? She's talking percentage-wise. The percentage of the average kill rate in Afghanistan, Mosul, in those battles, in modern warfare, is about eight or nine to one civilians to military. And you think that's fine? 80% civilian death? I don't think single civilian death is fine. Not single, but when we went into Germany to get out the Nazis, we killed 2 million Germans. We bombed Dresden. Which is why, and actually there's an analysis

that just came out that showed the bombing of northern Gaza has been more devastating and more destructive than our bombing of Dresden. I would also say after World War II, that's why we put in place things like the Geneva Conventions, to make sure that we did as much as we could to protect civilian life. So let me give you a specific report that you can respond to. The Washington Post, we can put this up on the screen, guys. This is the second element. R2. reported that Israel dropped U.S.-supplied white phosphorus in an attack in Lebanon in a way that is inconsistent with the laws of war, directly impacting a civilian population.

Are these, now you might say, look, maybe the report's in dispute, maybe we need to go and investigate, but is this or any other of Israeli conduct in this war, is this something that you think should be investigated for potential violations of international law? Again, if Israel dropped white phosphorus on civilian populations illegally, then they should be prosecuted for war crimes. Yeah. But I don't think there's strong evidence

that they've done that. And Israel absolutely denies it. There is a legal, there are legal ways to use white phosphorus because it's used in war which is as a concealant. And Israel says that's what it's doing. Here's what Israel has done. Israel has made, calls people before they bomb them. Nobody else in the world does that. It's made 20,000 live calls. So somebody, an Arab-speaking IDF member who calls the landlord, they have the telephone numbers of everybody in Gaza. There's a lot of connectivity problems. So they can't always-

They can barely sell access right now. Let me finish. They've made 20,000 live calls with people telling you, here's what's going to happen. You need to move out. In your neighborhood, on your building, they've sent 1.2 million robocalls. They've sent 1.2 million pamphlets. The pamphlets are color-coded for date

and for time so that you don't see an old pamphlet and say, oh, this won't apply to me. So people know when that building is going to get bombed. And they do something nobody else in the world does because they invented it, which is they send in roof knockers, which is a projectile that hits the roof

two hours before they bomb the building to warn the people in that building to get out because they're going to bomb it. In warning the civilians, they're also warning Hamas. And so it makes it much more difficult. And, you know, the fact there's many, many nations in the world that would just go and flatten the whole place, which Israel could do. It doesn't have to go in there and put IDF soldiers at risk in hand-to-hand combat. This is Hamas's, you know,

Hamas has made this stand. They're putting civilians in the way. What is Israel supposed to do? It can't leave Hamas in there. But Bobby, I don't think we should accept that from any state, Israel or any other. And I mean, they have rendered, hold on, hold on, hold on. They've rendered Gaza City uninhabitable at this point. And there's been reports documenting that some of the procedures that you're talking about that they used in previous wars, they're not using this time. They've emphasized this attack on quote unquote power targets, which are things like civilian infrastructure and high rise apartments buildings, not to get Hamas, but to create a quote shock in the civilian population. In addition, as I mentioned before, you have a collective punishment of 2.2 million people

who are having their access to water, food, fuel, medicine blocked right now by Israel. This also appears to be in violation of the Geneva Conventions. Do you think that it's acceptable to impose a siege on the entire civilian population in Gaza? If there's a violation, first of all, I don't think that's happening. I don't think that's happening. Let me explain. If it violates the Geneva Convention or if they're deliberately, at any point, anybody is deliberately targeting civilians, they should be prosecuted and they should be jailed and the key should be thrown away. People say this, but I don't see any proof of that.

We right now, people are deliberately targeting civilians. But the government announced they were doing a complete siege on the 2.2 million people. Yeah, okay, you're talking about the, you know, the siege. Yeah, the siege. Now, we did, for 10 years, we did collective punishment of Iraq. I'm not trying to justify that either here. But why are we just going after the Jews? No, no, no.

Why is it only when Israel does it? Let me just finish this right now. Because our tax dollars are going to fund what's going on. And the visuals of these children being killed and losing their parents and the rubble and the total destruction, this is something our government is backing. I have friends in Gaza. I have a friend who is a father of five kids, and what he's living through right now is horrible. I have many, many Palestinian friends. I've been to West Bank. I've met with the Palestinian leadership. I've been to West Bank. I've met with the Palestinian leadership.

I love the Palestinian people. It's excruciating watching what's happened. But why are we blaming Israel? Why are we blaming the people? Because they're the ones dropping the bombs with our dollars. They have to get at Hamas. They have to destroy Hamas. And Hamas, unfortunately, built tunnels for themselves. but they did not build bomb shelters for their people.

And they, you know, Israel has told people, move to the south. There's food trucks there. There's medicine there. There's fuel there. But there's not. It's only not there because Hamas steals it. The area they told them to go to is an area that is the size of LAX airport. It is a desert wasteland.

There are no UN flag facilities. In fact, if you ask the Secretary General of the UN, he'll tell you there are no safe places in Gaza. You already have 1.8 million people who have been displaced from their homes. So, you know, at what point do you say, OK, it's enough? Because the other piece of this, even if you say, and I point do you say, okay, it's enough? Because the other piece of this, even if you say, and I know you're not saying this, I'm not putting, but even if you say, I don't care about the Palestinian lives, they got to do what they got to do. It's the cost of war. What are you going to do? There's also a lot of evidence that what they're actually doing

is fomenting increasing support for Hamas. Because if you think about it, you know, if you're a kid and your parents get blown up, what kind of politics do you think you're going to have when you grow up? Isn't that going to be tremendously radicalizing and incredibly compromising to the security of Israelis alike? So how would you get rid of Hamas if you're Israel? Well, I'm not running for president of the United States, number one. But number two, I think we have a model for this in a sense from the way we went in and approached bin Laden. So it was a targeted raid. If you're actually going to do this, you do a counter-terror operation where you go in a

targeted way. You create a wedge between Hamas and the civilian population. And we see how this works in the past because previously in Israeli society, when there were pathways to peace that were on the table, where the Palestinian civilian population felt that they had a chance at negotiating some sort of a peaceful outcome, guess what? Support for Hamas falls off a cliff. It's almost a one-to-one relationship with a more brutal response from Israelis, the more support for radicalism that there is. You can filibuster. I'm not filibustering. You asked me a question.

I'm trying to answer it. I think you're filibustering. You're not answeringibustering. You asked me a question. I'm trying to answer it. I think you're filibustering. You're not answering the question. You're saying drive a wedge. Well, of course Israel is trying to drive a wedge. By offering some other path that's not terrorism and not violence. What is that path? It's a path to two-state solution over was because of its opposition to any negotiation.

Hamas just came out and said that they support Israel's PLO and recognize Israel's right to exist. On the other hand, you have the ambassador, but hold on, you have the ambassador, the Israeli ambassador to the UK saying we will absolutely no to a two-state solution.

I just cannot let you tell that. It's just not true. It just happened. Ismail Haydn was on TV on Al Jazeera yesterday saying we're going to do this again and again and again. We will never negotiate. Which we covered and which is disgusting.

But there's no, what about the facts? But hold on. What about the fact that Netanyahu and his government have said absolutely no. They built up Hamas to try to thwart any sort of Palestinian statehood. Where's the focus on that? I'm not defending Netanyahu. And I don't co-sign, you know, with Netanyahu and Likud, though. Israel is a divided country.

20% of the population are on the street demonstrating against Netanyahu. What I'm saying is the Israeli, Hamas is a criminal enterprise. Sure. The Palestinian, and you talk about solutions for the Palestinian people. The Palestinian people are arguably the most pampered people by international aid organizations in the history of the world. Are you kidding me? No, I'm not. Before this war, 78% of people in Gaza said they had not enough food to eat.

Right. And why is that? Why are you blaming Israel for that? Well, in part, it's Hamas. And in part, it's the fact that Israel imposed a blockade and talked about putting them on a diet. If your neighbor, first of all, Israel has no obligation. Israel built 3,000 hothouses and gave them for greenhouses. That would have made Gaza completely food self-sufficient. Gave it to them as a gift.

Offered to rebuild the port of Gaza to make it the Singapore of the West. Hamas said, no, we don't want Jew money, we don't want Jew ideas. And what did they do? The international aid agencies have given Hamas, have given Gaza, more than 10 times per capita what we gave to rebuild all of Europe after the Marshall Plan. They've gotten $8,300 per capita, every person in Gaza. We rebuilt Europe with $621 per capita in Europe, and we rebuilt it. What did they do with that money? Instead of using it to make this, you know, Gaza is this beautiful country. White sand beaches. It should be a paradise.

Hamas said, we don't want that. They take virtually all that money and they steal it. So the top five guys, the top five leaders of Hamas are billionaires. Ismail Hanea has $5 billion, according to Forbes. But Bobby, again, I don't think there is Because you made us, you know, you are making a statement

that is just wrong. It's not Israel's fault that Gaza is poverty-stricken. Gaza should be one of the wealthiest states on the Mediterranean. They have no control over their own territory.

Of course, if you go to war, if you go to war, everything that comes in and goes out. If you go to war, no. Crystal, Crystal, why are you blaming, why do you insist on blaming Israel rather than blaming Hamas? I do blame Hamas,

but you know what else, Tommy? Our tax dollars do not go to Hamas. They go to the Netanyahu government. And you know what? It's all the bombs, 22,000 of which are being bombed, dropped on the civilian population right now. You know what most

of our tax dollars have gone for? For the Iron Dome, which is a way of not invading Gaza. Our country and Israel for 16 years have expended

this huge amount of money to try not to go into Gaza, while Gaza sent 2,000 rockets a year, suicide bombers, and of course Israel is going to buy it. And while Gaza sent 2,000 rockets a year, suicide bombers, and of course Israel's going to buy it. And how many times has Israel come in and quote-unquote mowed the lawn? They've gone in five times, and every time they've signed a peace agreement with Hamas,

and every time they've violated that peace agreement. Let me just— Well, Israel also has been— Why are you— Hold on. I want to move forward. Listen, if Mexico attacked us and we built a fence fence would you blame us for caging in mexico well you're you know i don't know what what it is but everything in your mind is telling you to

blame israel instead of blaming him bobby hold on hold on let me just let me let me because i want to get to the end game then saga has some questions for you on free speech that i want to make sure we get to because i think this is important as well. What Netanyahu has said and what he's tasked his senior advisor with. Oh, talk to me about Netanyahu. Let me answer your question. I haven't even asked a question. Let me finish answering your last question.

Can we put this element up on the screen? Netanyahu has said that he wants to, quote unquote, thin out the population of Gaza to a minimum. There is simultaneously a proposal that is being shot here in D.C. with some bipartisan support that would use our aid dollars to countries in the region to pressure them to accept Palestinian refugees out of Gaza to enable Netanyahu's plan of, quote unquote, thinning out the population. I'm sure you know he has been very cagey about what he wants the future of Gaza to look like. What do you want the future of Gaza to look like? And is there any circumstance where you would support pushing neighboring countries to resettle Palestinians? No, I think, listen, I'm not, my, I don't, as I said, I don't co-sign anything for Netanyahu or for Likud. But he's in charge.

That's all I'm saying. So, I know, but he's the person— Well, how would you deal with him if he were president? How would you deal with it? What would be your plan for the future of Gaza? I think, right now, you know, I'm all ears. How do you get rid of Hamas? I think you have to get rid of Hamas.

Hamas is a criminal organization that is making, the five leaders of Hamas? I think you have to get rid of Hamas. Hamas is a criminal organization that is making, the five leaders of it are all billionaires. By the way, Yasser Arafat died a billionaire. Mahmoud Abbas, a billionaire. His two kids who run West Bank have $750 million.

It is a criminal enterprise where they are stealing everything from the people of Gaza and then they raise them from kindergarten to kill Jews. You know, I saw the 43-minute film of the GoPros and the body camps, and the things that I saw on there, you know, the rape, the burning people alive, no matter what happened to you for the rest of your life, no matter how abused you were, no matter how—you could never act that way. These kids are being raised as serial killers. Does that make them legitimate targets?

Well, the terrorists, yes. No, I'm talking about the terrorists. Does that make them legitimate targets? No, that's not what I'm saying, Crystal. What I'm saying is Hamas is oppressing its own people. It's stealing from and it's turning them into, it's taking away their childhood instead of, you know, just distributing this huge amount of money that they've gotten, building a wonderful culture and society and economic prosperity for them. Instead, it has one purpose,

which is to annihilate Jews. And kids, their schools are named after Jew killers. Their streets are named after Jew killers. They are paid bounties to kill Jews. You know a majority of Palestinians in Gaza support a two-state solution? Well, the polls I've seen right now, I'm all for two-state solutions. Show me how it happens. The last time that Arafat was offered that, which was by Clinton and Ehud Barak in 2001, he was offered everything that the Palestinians had asked for, everything, except for 3% of the West Bank. And they said, we'll give you 3% of Israel. And those are the suburbs around major Israeli cities that are settled.

Oh, and Arafat walked out of that negotiation without a counteroffer. And he later explained to Prince Bandari, if I made a deal, anybody who makes a deal with the Israelis, they will be killed by our own people. So just to finish this up, sir. They've been offered a two-state solution plenty of times. She asked you about your endgame. made a deal. Anybody who makes a deal with the Israelis, they will be killed by our own people. They've been offered a two-state solution plenty of times. She asked you about your endgame. So I just want to get a definitive answer on that. She asked you about your endgame, which is let's say Israel, and we agreed there's no justification of Hamas.

Hamas is a criminal enterprise. It's gone. What does a two-state solution look like under the Kennedy administration? The Biden administration is pushing the Palestinian Authority. Netanyahu says no. So is that something that you envision? Listen, if I – first of all, the president of the United States cannot decree that there's going to be a two-state solution. What we can do is we can pressure Israel, but more importantly, we can use our influence.

I think what we need to be doing is to encouraging the Solomon Accords, encouraging peace in the region, encouraging ultimately peace is going to come from prosperity. Would you condition aid to try to secure a two-state solution or at least to end the illegal settlements? I would encourage it. But as I end the illegal settlements? I would encourage, but as I said, more importantly, I would encourage the other nations. I would be talking on the phone right now with President Xi, with President Putin, with all the leaders of the Arab world, and trying to get some kind of collaboration, because I think ultimately that's what's going to happen. But until then, but you know, one of the problems, one of the dilemmas for Israel right now is you can say to Israel, you know, let's turn this over to the UN. The UN has never, the blue helmets have always left as soon as the shooting starts. And the UN will not even condemn Hamas. So how, you know, and then the other Arab states

have solidified of all, you know, express solidarity in support of Hamas. So how is Israel to, you know, expect it now to turn its fate, its destiny,

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of presidents of MIT, University of Pennsylvania, and Harvard University. There's been a campaign, billionaire Bill Ackman, I believe he actually is a supporter of yours, to try and fire those university presidents. So do you think that they should be fired for their answers in saying that calling for the genocide of Jews does not constitute harassment? In a call

in and of itself, as a supporter of free speech. I'm curious. Let me ask you something. Sure. If they had called for death to all black people? We all know what the answer would be. I agree. What would the answer be? They would have said immediately. Absolutely. Okay. So what's the difference?

Well, I mean, I'm not necessarily sure, though, that a call for anything should be expulsion. By the way, I understand what the difficulty is here, is you want free speech. Yes. Oh, we want to maximize free speech. Right. At one point,

are there different rules on the college campuses, you know, that there's all these rules now that I don't really understand or ascribe to about keeping people safe from bad information.

But when something becomes, when it appears to be inciting violence, which I think you could read, you know, death to all black people or genocide to all Jews as incitement of violence. I think that that should be discouraged. How do you square that with your free speech absolute? Because there is no, like, Hitler was right exception to the first minute.

No, I mean, you're right. I mean, the line that we have right now, if you look at Supreme Court rulings, is that you can't incite violence. So if words that you use are – if a jury found, yeah, that was inciting violence, that person was inciting violence, then it's no longer protected by the First Amendment. Aren't you a bit worried about that? I mean, people have been saying that you're encouraging mass death for a lot of their comments on vaccines. They certainly would have used that provision against you. Oh, I'm happy to try that in court. Okay, all right. I'm happy to try that in front of a jury. So next question here. Do you think, and this is per congressional resolution,

do you think that being anti-Zionist is anti-Semitic? How would you vote? I remember. So there was a measure of that before Congress. If you were in Congress, how would you have voted on that? What do you define as Zionism? Well. The right for Israel to exist as a Jewish state?

Well, I think Zionism is a political ideology that predates the state of Israel. Yeah, but it was about having the Jews have their own state. Have a homeland, yes. Right, and so are you saying the Jews should not have their own state? I'm not saying anything. I'm asking you if you think that would be anti-Zionist or anti-Zionistic. Yeah. There's 41 countries in the world that have an official religion.

Israel is not among them. There is no official religion in Israel. There have an official religion. Israel is not among them. There is no official religion in Israel. There is freedom of religion. There's 27 Arab states that have official religions and, in fact, rules that require Sharia law, which includes bigoted provisions against Jews. There are many, like the West Bank and Gaza and Jordan apply the death penalty to anybody who sells land to a Jew. So those countries are genuinely apartheid states. They are single religion states. Israel is not one of them. So what you're saying, you know, the Vatican is a Catholic state.

England is an Ang a Catholic state. Yeah. England is an Anglican state. My aunt, Kit Kennedy, had to change her religion in order to marry a member of the aristocracy. I remember reading that, yeah. So, you know, there are many states around the world. I think there's four Buddhist states. There's two Hindu states. There's 27 Muslim states.

There are many, many countries that have official religions. But Israel doesn't. But Israel is officially a Jewish state. It's a homeland for Jews. Its original charter reflects the idealism of Zionism. So if you're saying Jews alone should not have their own state, that that is, you know, if that's what anti-Zionism is, then I would say that's like George Wallace. Let me get finished. It's like George Wallace saying, I'm a segregationist, but I'm not a racist. that there is a long tradition of Jews who are opposed to Zionism,

who have a critique of Zionism. There are Christians who are Zionists. There are Jews who are anti-Zionists. So shouldn't there be an ability to critique? What I'm saying, shouldn't there be an ability to critique a political ideology without being, you know, smeared in anti-Zionism? Well, that's why I asked the definition of what Zionism is. If you're saying that Zionism, what Zionism is,

the belief that Jews can have their own state and you're against that, I would say that's a- But just criticizing, you know, Saudi Arabia, which has an Islamic Sharia-based government, does that make you Islamophobic? Or the Islamic Republic of Pakistan? Kashmir, for example. Or Iran. Yeah.

Does that make you Islamophobic? Like Kashmir, if we're going to say. Well, it depends, I suppose. I bet if you're saying that it's okay for all those other countries to have a religious government, but Israel alone should not have it. And I think, yeah, there's something bigoted about that. Governor DeSantis had banned the organization Students for Justice of Palestine on campus. I'm curious. There have been calls, Republican legislators as well, to use the federal government to investigate these types of student groups. Is that something that you would do under a Kennedy administration? I don't know what that group is, whether they're advocating violence or whatever. But I think if somebody is advocating violence against Jews, that they should be banned and they should be investigated.

If it's just a pro-Palestine group, no, of course not. They have freedom of speech. What about the anti-BDS laws. There's a number of states that have anti-BDS provisions that basically say that if you're a state employee and you advocate for BDS, that that's a fireable offense for boycott, divest, and sanction, which is often, it was originally used against apartheid South Africa. It's been adopted, I think, by the social justice left largely in relation to Israel as a result of the settlement policy, whether we agree or not. This is state laws that are on the books in multiple across the United States. You think those violate the First Amendment?

And what did the law say exactly? The law said that if you embrace or advocate for BDS, so for example, Abby Martin, you might be familiar with her. She's a prominent political commentator. I guess she's done a lot of work on Gaza as well. She successfully challenged one of these laws in the state of Georgia because she's an advocate of BDS. What does the law say? successfully challenged one of these laws in the state of Georgia because she's an advocate of BDS.

What does the law say? Well, the law says you cannot be paid by the state and you cannot be, go ahead, Crystal. So in her instance, she was invited to speak to a public university in Georgia. And as a condition of her speaking gig, she had to sign a pledge saying that she would not participate in the boycott, divestment, and sanction movement. She successfully challenged that in court on First Amendment grounds. In Texas, they have a law, a lot of states have these laws that say, you know, if you're going to be an employee of the state, you have to sign this pledge that you won't boycott the state of Israel, sort of alone among nations. So you're able to boycott the U.S. or your own government,

but not the Israeli government. Yeah. I mean, my feeling about that is that if you're doing it on your own time and not representing the state, it's a free speech issue. And, you know, listen, I was, you know, support the right of the Nazis to march in Skokie Illinois. Yeah, I think we all should. I think, you know, we're, you know, that the more, that the remedy for bad speech, for hate speech, for unpleasant speech is not censorship. It's more speech. Let me ask you a more political question. So something I know you tweeted about this.

We highlighted here on our show. I actually think you tweeted out the clip of us talking about it. About you leading amongst voters under the age of 45, specifically young voters, probably one of the most popular candidates amongst that group. At the same time, we've seen a significant uptick, I think, in pro-Palestinian sentiment. You could say that amongst people who are young. You can co-sign that for a variety of reasons. It could be TikTok. It could be anything. So I'm curious politically. I can see emotionally you're very animated about the Israel issue. How do you plan to win those people over when, from what we can see at least right now on the polling, there's a little bit of distance in the way that they think about the conflict and in the way that you're talking about the conflict?

Yeah, I mean people are going to vote for who they want to vote for. And some people are going to be single-iss single issue voters and I'll lose some of those. I mean, you know, I can't, Sagar, I can't do anything except be true to my own heart and, you know, do what I, if somebody, if somebody has a argument with me and convinces me that I'm wrong about something and I'm going to change my mind if you show me facts that demonstrate I'm wrong. I'm going to listen to everybody. Yes.

I just listen to Crystal pile it on me, right? Yeah. But this is what we should be doing. We agree. This is your third round here. You know what you're getting into. We should be open, spirited, congenial, respectful debate, you know, about this stuff. And if people don't like where I end up on things, and, you know, I'm going to tell you

why I end up. I'm going to show you that I've been thoughtful about it, that I'm not, you know, I'm not acting in a knee-jerk way or a political way. I'm not doing anything from ideology. I'm free of that. But I may still end up in a different place than you. And in that case, you have your choice about whether you want the whole package. Okay.

You know, which is somebody who I'm going to fight harder for this generation, the people who are between 20 and 35. I'm narrowly focused on making sure they can get homes, that they can, you know, have a decent economy, that the American dream is real for them. And I'm going to work every day in my presidency on that. And I may fall on different parts. There's people who support the Ukraine war, which I'm, as you know, adamantly against. Yes, you have been. But they also support me. There's people who support.

I have support from people who are vaccinated, unvaccinated. I have support from people who are pro-life and pro-choice. And, you know, but if you have just one issue and I'm wrong on it, I get it. And I respect you for that. That's how it's supposed to work. Right. I have one last wrap up, free speech question for you, and we'll move on to some other issues. But on ex-formerly Twitter, Elon Musk decided to ban the word decolonization and also the phrase from the river to the sea in the whole flap about the university presidents. There wasn't actually any example, at least not one, offered of people saying genocide the Jews. They were talking about a chant from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. And they also brought up a call for globalizing the Intifada. Do you think that those things

are incitements to violence? Do you support their banning on Twitter? Do you support their banning on college campuses? You know, just on those specific examples. Elon Musk owns Twitter. He's spent a lot of billions of dollars on it and he's lost a lot of sense. And I utterly respect him for what he's done for standing up for free speech, but it's his platform. He has, you know, just like you, you don't have to allow me on here or anybody else. It's up to you. You're not.

It's not a question of whether he can. It's a question of whether he should. It only becomes censorship when the government is ordering it. I mean, it only implicates the First Amendment when the government is telling you to do that. Otherwise, if you own a printing press, you can print who you want and you can deny who you want. And he owns the big printing press. I got sick with this, though, because I don't understand. I mean, you were at one point probably one of the most censored men in America.

And you often talked about Instagram. I remember your ban from Instagram at certain points on YouTube. it was tremendously difficult to even feature any of your videos. I remember having to do research. I had to go on Rumble or somewhere else in order to listen to what you said. How do you square that position? I mean, given the way that during the COVID vaccine debate, the way that your views were censored throughout all of this, how do you square the idea that corporations can be able to do whatever they want? Well, there's two – there's a couple of issues here. One is if the government is involved in the censorship, which they were involved in my censorship. Biden administration was – and then members of the Trump administration, although not directly the White House, were collaborating with the social media and media sites to censor me.

So that's First Amendment. Okay. That's a straight violation. There's another kind of censorship, which is corporate censorship, so that, you know, you probably get pharmaceutical advertising. Well, we do not, actually. Okay. Well, that's good. Right.

But CNN does. Yes. And, you know, ABC and NBC get it. Roger Ailes told me that for Fox, the evening news, it was 70% of the revenues for evening news. And so they, the pharmaceutical industry actually controls content on those platforms. Those announcers edit what they say and not tell the public things that might affect their mercantile ambitions, their commercial ambitions of companies. So that is a corporate censorship. And I would argue that that's illegal when it happens on a public airwave because the networks do not own the airwaves. The networks are licensed to use them, but they're owned by the American public

and they have to use them for a public purpose. If you have your own printing press in your basement or if you're the Sulzberger family and you own the New York Times or if you're Elon Musk and you don't, you know, and you're willing to say, you know, I don't care what advertisers say. And you have a right to have on your platform who you want and who you don't.

The thing I complained about was commercial censorship, where I was being censored on the government-owned airwaves because of pharmaceutical advertising and, number two,, so you're you're okay with if on Twitter or on Instagram if Zuckerberg or Musk or whoever the billionaire that owns the platform is wants to censor certain views they're entitled to at their behest I think if the government's not involved Sadly that is that's the way the world works. All right. All right, you know, I was there's a The alternative to that is to declare Twitter or Instagram a public utility.

Are you open to that? I don't think it would work because I think the reason that those platforms work is because of the commercial incentives. What about fair games? Because you constantly

have to upgrade the performance to compete with all the other people and that's why they're successful. What about fair games? Because you constantly have to upgrade the performance to compete with all the other people, and that's why they're successful. What about a standard? If we say that all censorship has to abide within the First Amendment at all social media companies? You can operate however you want. It's just that in terms of censorship removal of content.

Well, here's what I would do as president. Yeah. Okay, and I'll do this the day that I go in, is I will issue an executive order saying that no federally paid official can collaborate with any media or social media company in censoring political speech. Okay. Okay. Excellent. I wanted to ask you about your position on abortion. You got asked a question on the trail.

I think it was Ali Vitale of NBC News, if you would sign a 15-week abortion ban. You seemed to indicate you did, and the campaign said you misunderstood the question. So I just wanted you to clarify your stance. Is there any national restriction on abortion that you would support as President of the United States if that ended up on your desk? No. You know, I think, listen, I think every abortion is a tragedy. I've spent, I've probably fought as hard as anybody in this country for medical freedom and for people to have autonomy over their own bodies. And I understand also the, you know, that there's a countervailing interest, the interest that, you know, the unborn baby get a cruise at some rate or, you know,

and some people use immediately. know, in some people's views immediately. Yes. I respect people that believe that. And I don't think anything is a satisfactory solution, but I think ultimately we have to trust the moms. We have to trust women. Oh, and, uh, and that, but, you know, I will, you know, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna deride or, um, you know, I'm not going to deride or, you know, or ridicule people who believe that life starts with an inception and, you know, have devoted their lives to protecting that. And I think they should be heard. I have people in my family that I grew up with that I was very close to had that, you know, notion. I understand it. And we all can respect each other.

So let's go and put this next element up on the screen. You mentioned, you know, medical freedom being something that's always been very important to you, at least, you know, and for the past number of years. I'm sure you saw probably this story, which was in the news everywhere. This mom of two who the Texas Supreme Court ruled she could not seek an abortion even though her fetus was diagnosed with a condition that means that it cannot live outside of the womb. It's causing serious health problems for her. She had to leave the state in order to seek the abortion for her health condition. And so obviously there's already been a huge rollback in terms of women's rights

after the overturning of Roe versus Wade. Is there anything you would do under a Kennedy administration to try to restore those rights in the states where the procedure has been all but banned? I don't, I mean, what's President Biden doing? Nothing. Nothing as far as we know. That's why I was wondering if you're going to be different. That's the question. What are your ideas? Well, I mean, one idea is to try to eliminate the filibuster in order to secure, you know, enshrining Roe versus Wade as the law of the land, which is something that's been floated for a lot of years. I would not end the filibuster. Those kind of procedural tampering with these longstanding democratic institutions in Congress then get turned against you on the next term. Would you, though, want to, if you had a 60-vote majority, in order to – I think women should have a right to choose.

So you would support it at the federal level, theoretically? I think women – I think we have to trust the moms. I have a question on housing. I know this is something that you referenced, theoretically. I think women, you know, I think we have to trust the moms. I have a question on housing. I know this is something that you referenced to. This is actually one of the areas that I've seen you get a lot of attention on. This plan, I believe it is to give all homeowners or the first-time homebuyers a 3% mortgage. Could you lay that out? We see a tremendous amount of interest from our audience on housing, about the ability to buy, and just your views both on the housing market and your plan in order to make it more affordable. Yeah, I mean, we're looking at a whole lot of different issues.

I'm very focused on making sure this generation, the 20s and 30-year-olds can get into homes. So one of the ways that my uncle did it, and I actually was in an apartment building in Tampa a couple days ago. That's one of his buildings. And it's a special class of mortgages that he created at 3% interest and funded with treasury bills that were sold at 3%, but with tax deductions. So he was able to finance that with the market, and this apartment building has, I think it had 83 apartments in it that are being rented.

The highest one's about $270 a month, and then even lower if you can't afford it. And this is 60 years later. That's one of the issues. I'm also – there's a number of other things we can do. There's $100 billion surplus that's supposed to be used for housing in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, $110 billion. And I'm going to unleash that and create housing stock. I have a panel of economic advisors, wide range, and they're all focused on this, removing tax benefits to corporations that are using federal loans to buy houses, home equity loans, those kind of loans, and also supporting or creating legislation

that will make it impossible or make it penalized with tax treatment, the accumulation of single family homes by large investment houses and hedge funds. Got it. Quickly, you got a VP shortlist? I wouldn't talk about it as much as I enjoy you. Give us ideas. Give me some criteria. What type of people you're looking at?

Oh, Sean Fain of UAW. I put him at the top of my list. How about Dana White? Oh, that'd be interesting. That would be interesting. You would get a lot of press. No comment on that one. Good for you. No comment. What about Dana White? Oh, that'd be interesting. That would be interesting. You would get a lot of press. No comment on that one. Good for you.

No comment. What about Tucker Carlson? I mean, is that a serious, like, someone you're floating? No, I just like him. But I mean- Who are other people you like? Like, the flavor.

Dana White, you know, he's bombastic, he's got the FU attitude. Is that something you're looking for? Like, what is- No, I'm looking for somebody maybe who's a little bit more healing. Okay. Okay.

I like Dana White. All right. Okay, so I do have a question here I wanted to wrap on. You talked, this got a lot of attention, about flying on Epstein's plane twice. I know you clarified that. That was at a point in which you've since said you believe that he was trying to carry favor with your family. So do you? I don't remember saying that. to carry favor with your family. So do you? I don't remember saying that. I saw it on your Twitter. So you followed up and said it's possible that he was trying to-

You saw that on my Twitter? Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I mean, I can tell you exactly what my relationship was with Jeffrey Epstein. I flew his, my wife, Mary Richardson, knew his girlfriend. I didn't know whether it was—I thought it was his wife at the time, but Ghislaine Maxwell. Yeah. And she got a ride. Ghislaine offered her a ride for our family to go to Palm Beach where I wanted to visit my mother over Easter.

I flew down with Mary and my two kids, two oldest kids. Mary was pregnant with Connor at the time. And then another time, that was in 1993. So nobody knew about Jeffrey Epstein's nefarious activities. The first hint to the public was 2006. Yes, after his conviction. Yeah. So nobody knew about it.

He was just another wealthy guy in New York. And then I flew again sometime maybe, I know, probably about 1995 or 1996. I flew to South Dakota again with all my kids and Mary to do a fossil hunting trip with him. Now, I probably ran into Epstein at fundraisers and stuff, but I didn't know him socially. I didn't—he was not my friend. Okay. My question is about the—well, I guess, I don't know if your staff put it out, but one of the things you'd surmise was about him currying favor. And there's been quite a few questions about whether he was a

foreign intelligence asset, either for Israel, for the United States. Is that something, like, what do you think about that? I have no idea. I just, I don't know. I mean, I've read that he was, you know, an agent from Assad. I don't know, you know, I really haven't followed him that much. My kids, two of my kids, or one of my kids follows him and said to me, you know, that it's highly likely that he was murdered. But I wouldn't want to, you know, I don't want to get involved in another conspiracy theory. Will you declassify the Epstein files? There we theory. Will you declassify the Epstein files? There we go. Will you declassify the Epstein files?

Oh, I think everything. Look, everybody in his black books should be, you know, we should know those names. We should know, you know, declassify everything, subpoena everything, lay it out. Because, you know, he was involved. I saw the documentary on him. And, you know, what they were doing was just horrific. Oh, yeah. But, I mean, that was 13 years after I took that flight.

And everybody, I have to say that, well, I knew, I mean, I saw Harvey Weinstein. Bill Cosby came to my house. What was he like? Go ahead and put it all out there. And O.J. Simpson came to my house. What was he like? Go ahead and put it all out there. And O.J. Simpson came to my house. Wow. But nobody knew that they were, you know, rapists and killers. They were just well-known people.

And, you know, if you're living in New York. Well, I need to hang out at your house so I can meet some interesting people. This is when I was a kid. You know, my people came to my mom's house. But you don't know who these people are until they get arrested. Until you find out who they really are. Your team tells us that you've got to go, sir.

Bobby, tell people where they can follow your campaign and support you. Please, yeah. Thank you for that, because I'm in trouble. Kennedy24.com. If you're in a state that we're – there's about 15 states now where we can sign – where we can – where you can sign a petition to get me on the ballot. I need to get a million signatures.

So go on. And if your state is not open yet, you can pledge there and then we'll contact you when it gets open. Well, listen, you and I have our differences of opinion, but I really encourage people to do that if you just believe in democracy, whether or not you intend on supporting your candidacy. So thank you. We appreciate the time. Thank you for that endorsement, Crystal. Thank you for joining us, sir. Take it how you will.

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