Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 12/15/25: Brown University Shooting, Hero Disarms Bondi Shooter, Rob Reiner Killed, Insane New Epstein Images

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

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some of the things that they mean. We're going to talk about this attack in Syria, of which Ryan and I, Spidey senses are very, very high. You have multiple two U.S. service members and a U.S. civilian interpreter, aka CIA, who was killed or who were killed in Syria in a shocking circumstance by a quote, lone ISIS gunman, all of the circumstances. Frankly, all of my spidey senses are off and something is not right about this entire thing. Saturday, Barry Weiss had a town hall with Erica Kirk, perhaps the most consequential news, Erica Kirk, letting us know this morning that she will be hosting a meeting today with Candace Owens and that in the interim turning point USA's long-planned live stream to depunk, or at least to push back against Candice Owens,

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breaking the... Can we call it a ceasefire? Is it a ceasefire if you just get to kill whoever you want? It is offensive to our idea of language. Yes, yeah, I know. But it is what the global community continues to call it. All right, okay. So global norms... I don't know what to do with it. Global norms.

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So we had this shooting at Brown University. Two people tragically confirmed dead. We do not yet know their identities. Sadly, apparently their families are traveling for the holidays. Authorities are still trying to get in touch with them. What we do know is that over the last 24 hours, it's a so-called person of interest was taken into custody by the Providence Police as well as the FBI.

Now, this person's name was actually leaked to the news media and widespread. There was a lot of analysis. I'm not going to say their name because he has now been released and is no longer a person of interest. This is just like the Charlie Kirk thing all over again, where the FBI is at the center. Providence PD making very clear that this person of interest who they took in was a result of an F.

FBI screen tip, putting solely the blame on Cash Patel. Let's take a listen. The FDA director specifically said in his tweet that it was a tip from Providence Police that led you all to Hampton in. Can you confirm if that's true? And what exactly was the evidence that led you to this person in interest? Yeah, so there was a tip that came in, just like we were taking any other tips. And that one came in specifically identifying a person of interest, which was this individual. And so we, our detectives got on it, just like they got in another, but in this specific one,

It was actually picked up by the FBI, and they followed through with it. And they ended up coming and located this individual of interest. And at that point, we did our thorough investigation, examined, ended up drafting some search formants, came up with some evidence. But that evidence was examined, and we didn't have enough, obviously, to be able to prosecute anybody, and so the person was released. So that person was released. This was, again, after a triumphant tweet there from the FBI director,

Let's put that up there on the screen. Yeah, go ahead, Ryan. Yeah, so here, an update on the FBI response at Brown University. This is from Cash Patel. FBI Boston established a command post to intake, develop, and analyze leads, and run them to the ground. We activated the FBI's cellular analysis survey team. These are kinds of things that a guy says who's not really familiar with the agency and is just excited to, like, show you that he works there. To provide critical geolocation capabilities, as a result early this morning, FBI's safe,

Streets Task Force with assistance from all these other detained a person of interest in a hotel room in Coventry, Rhode Island, based off a lead by the Providence, Rhode Island Police Department. We have deployed local and national resources to process and reconstruct the shooting scene, providing headquarters and lab elements on the scene. We set up a digital media intake portal to ingest images and video from the public related to this incident. The FBI's victim specialists are fully integrating with our partners to provide resources to victims and survivors of this. violence. The FBI will continue an all-out 24-7 campaign until justice is fully served. Thanks to the men and women. And then finish with, oh, it turns out that they just got the wrong guy. Rock the guy. What you could have done is, like, very

quietly speak to this guy in the hotel room. Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do. Right. Is that, and by the way, again, I mean, look, Mr. I, again, I'm not going to say his name. That guy has got a good defamation lawsuit on his hands, frankly, because his name was leaked to the news media, his resume, LinkedIn profile was everywhere. People were analyzing his background.

Right, other people with his background were circulated. I mean, again, it's just like the Charlie Kirkman. We had members of our own audience emailing us telling us, hey, you know, for some reason, my face has been blasted all over the Internet, and I've been falsely accused. During the Charlie Kirk thing. Yes, during the Charlie Kirk. This is dangerous, guys. Seriously, very dangerous. And this is just, again, clown show.

So somebody needs to step up. I mean, originally after the Charlie Kirk thing, people realize what of a disaster it was. And, you know, luckily this time around, we don't have some ridiculous press conference there from Cash Patel. We're, you know, stealing FBI agents jackets or anything of that, reportedly, allegedly. But what we do know right now is that some 48 hours post the shooting. We still don't have any suspect in custody. Let's put that up there on the screen. They say they are still searching for the Brown University gunmen.

they have not released any, you know, the person of interest had been released. They did not identify any other suspects. So it's been, yeah, almost 30 hours now. You've got two students who were killed. Look, I mean, for all the investigative work, they seem to have identified falsely, at least for now, this individual who was in a hotel room. Like you said, Ryan, they should have just gone, talked to him, run some of the ballistics and the forensics, and said, okay, right, but instead they made it a big triumphant thing and, you know, his name was leaked out. Really, it's just horrific. And in the interim, obviously, the students at Brown University were going through a terrifying, not just an ordeal in the immediate term, but you've got, you know,

multiple hours now or days now where they don't know this the, who the person is and how they got away with what the targeting allegedly and all of that may have been. We do, oh my God, I'm going to give a warning here. This is a student's mother who is speaking to the news media just about what it was like to go through this and some relaying from her own son. Let's take a listen. What is your son telling you right now? Oh, it's a nightmare. It's a nightmare.

They're in the middle of finals, so they were all on campus studying at the library. And about an hour and a half ago, the first text I get for my son is, Mom, there's a life shooting on campus, and I'm going to run, and I love you. I was like, what? So we've only been texting, and I'm getting live updates from him because we've told him to turn off his phone, not to make a single sound, but he's in a supply closet room on campus barricaded with 12 students. They've turned off the light. They've put chairs on their door. One of his classmates is having a panic attack, so the friends are trying to keep her quiet so that no sounds.

are being made. So we've got the same type of imagery here. This is some Brown University students who were actually found in the library. You can go and put that up there on the screen, but you can just see, you know, I mean, just literally sheltering in the library. They're terrified.

And as the police come in here, I don't know how much of this clip we have. It's terrifying again. Now the police come in. Right. Pointing their weapons, like toward the kids. I mean, they have no idea what's going on, right? Yeah, they're also freaking out.

Like, you've got a shooting. that's happening here. Like, it's just a chaotic situation. I don't know. And then they kind of usher the kids out and let them get their bags and like, move, move, move, move. Yeah, it's just terrifying.

And at least, it seems like at least two of these kids who went through this, one of them was in middle school next to Marjorie Stone and Douglas High School in Parkland. So, experienced that lockdown and another had been actually shot

in another mass shooting. So, like, this is a thing that's happening where people are not, as they grow up, are not involved in just one mass shooting, but multiple throughout their lifetime. Look, I don't know. We don't know yet who the person who perpetrated this is. Obviously, I don't know. Hope that the FBI. Okay, how about this? Hope that the tip line comes through like it did with... Providence Police. Yeah, I hope that something, you know, just some good old fashion. Hopefully, police work there from Providence. But right now things, I mean, in general, you know, like with the Tyler Robinson case,

at least if you buy that theory, which I do. But if you buy the Tyler Robinson theory, With that, it was, he was identified as a result, but, you know, we, look, we would show it to you. We would be happy to help if we could. There's nothing released right now by the PD. Nothing about, you know, a photo, anything, you know, which we kind of had at this time, I mean, you would presume Brown University and any public place carpeted cameras. So we don't really have very much as of right now. And again, there is some information floating around out there about the victims, but I really would urge caution. Let's let this be a lesson here. especially the person of interest, you cannot just ruin people's lives. And if you're out there putting out the names of victims before they've been released by the officials, you should consider that somebody could find out about that on social media and not from an official channel. And if that happened to you, just try to put yourself in their own shoes. People are out there just posting for clicks and all this stuff. It's disgusting, honestly. But that's all we have right now. A colossal failure by the FBI. Just colossal. I mean, no, it's not to say that

that law enforcement doesn't routinely, Ryan, come up with tips and screen them. But you don't tout it and make it into a whole thing. They effectively made it seem as if it was a done deal, leaking the name. I mean, usually, again, you don't really do that. We got them in a hotel room. Right, got them in a home.

I mean, they were released all kinds of detail bragging to the news media. And I mean, this person was a member of the US Army Honor Guard, okay, honorably discharged US military, trying to get a good education. Wisconsin's a good school, and they're transferring to Browns. Right. This is a person on the up-and-up, name out there forever, for no reason.

Imagine having to be his family member, too. It's sickening, just the way that this was being handled. And I blame the FBI, 100%. It's because they're the ones who, you know, publicized it. I don't know who leaked his name, but somebody did. So whoever it is, you should be ashamed of yourself. But in general, they're the ones who are trying to. Yeah.

Possibly, again, I would not assert that without evidence. We're only just, we're just postulating that this is now the second high-profile incident. Job must be harder than it looks. Yeah, it turns out, you know, being a professional is useful at the very top of law enforcement. And by the way, you know, just like with the Charlie Kerr thing, the reason people have a lot of questions because it was idiotic handling of it, right? And so it's the same thing this time around. I can't imagine being some of my families and others who are involved here. So, anyway, off my soapbox, I guess.

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any gore or anything like that but just just keep that in mind let's go and put that up here on the screen so I mean you know just it's like an idyllic location and you have a it was a Hanukkah gathering literally right there at the beach near this hotel you can hear the gunshots there in the background I mean this is a very very crowded tourist area and you could see there just what it was like for some of the people who had to go through this like lying low there on the ground oh my god i can you see the person like with their child you know as a parent you know stay down imagine yeah just a terror absolutely terrifying scenes emerging in a place that has some of the strictest gun control in the planet and then this video emerged

of this guy who either had a death wish yeah or uh was completely confident in his ability that he was just not going to get hit. That was one of the more bizarre but he was just a guy who's just an Australian who's like, you know what? You know, shoot at me. I think what's so disgusting here

is just like the intention, right? You can see there in the video. And it's one thing to read about it, but it's to see somebody like engaged and highly motivated to just mow down. And because Australia has these tight restrictions on semi-automatic and automatic weapons, you see, you saw him there in that footage

with this bolt-action rifle. Right. Whereas, you know, aiming, reloading, aiming, reloading, aiming, reloading, which, you know, hopefully at least reduce the number of people rather than if you're just spraying the entire beach. Yeah, but I mean, we've got children who have been confirmed dead. We don't have all the identities. At least a 10 year old. At least a 10 year old. I mean, again, at a religious gathering, Hanukkah, it's just horrific.

It's horrific. The world has also been captivated by dramatic scenes of a passerby, disarming. So this is Akhman al-Aqad. A man who is there just to get coffee with a friend at the beach sees this going on, and let's roll the footage that has caught the world's attention. Unbelievable. Yeah, you can see he's wrestled the gun out,

points the gun at the guy. He starts to run away. I mean, who knows how many lives that he saved as a result of this. But, I mean, oh my God. Can you imagine the presence of mind and just the sheer, like, reactive heroism to do something about this in the moment, actively approaching a gunman like this, putting your life completely there at risk and immediately disarming this person.

I know there's a verified go-fund me for Ahmed al-Akmed, which is going out there. Definitely. Over 1.3 million? Yeah, I mean, let's keep it going. Honestly, I mean, this is, he put his life on the line for these people. And so, look, you know, you can choose to see, people always say that. You can see the, you know, absolute, like, destruction of this world and the best of the world all in the same, in the same incident. So what we're learning about him so far is that in 2006, he moved from Syria, apparently he was from Idlib, moved to Syria, moved from Syria to Australia.

He was a police officer, it seems like, back in Syria. his cousin was interviewed outside of the hospital. There have been interviews since then with his parents, extremely obviously, you know, proud of what he did. Briefly, there was an attempt to, like, argue over his religion. You had kind of the Laura Loomers of the world, actually including Benjamin Netanyahu. What?

Well, so Laura Lumer said this, and lots of other people in the right, we're saying this is a Maronite Christian or this is some, a copic Christian. This is sick. Why do we need to debate this guy's religion? Here's what's crazy. In the middle of him. Right. What are you doing? Like, he's a hero.

Yeah, it doesn't matter what's religion. It's a matter where he worships or whatever. Immediately, an entire AI backstory around a guy named something Crabtree, like a made-up name. So people say, oh, his name was it. Eric Crabtree or whatever, and he's an Australian native. And there are articles circulating about who this Crabtree guy is with fake interviews with his parents and his teachers and him. And if you didn't know any better, and millions of people did not know any better,

they were circulating. They even got a community note at one point on the video saying, like, actually this was this guy, Crabtree, which is a completely fictionalized, made-up person. And it also shows the lack of kind of literacy when it comes to the world. Like, Ahmed is one of the names of the Prophet. It's in the Quran. Like Christians...

These two instances combined with Brown and this. It's like, this is a sickness. I'm not going to be called Barry Weiss and call for censorship or anything like that. But, I mean, I will call for, look, I mean, let's blame some of the people. Sharpen up people. If you're out there, you know, debating a guy's religion. Also, Laura Lumer also circulated a claim. that the shooter said alohaqab and was a Muslim at brown university um so you know it's like

every incident doesn't have to be grist yeah that's right for your own your own little grievance project let's let's let me return just to mr ockman just to like who he is as a person who cares about his religion uhmmad uh by the way was actually wounded and it underwent surgery as of yesterday so he's in the hospital and what makes he was seriously injured according to us according to australian authorities And it's obvious, but let's state it for his benefit. One of the things it makes, there are multiple things that make it such an extraordinary act of here was and besides the obvious. One is that there's two shooters. It's not as if I would have the courage to disarm one shooter.

But if you disarm one shooter, you're good. Like you've got the gun, incident is over. He knew when he did this that there was another shooter on the brink. bridge who is targeting people all over the area. So he knows that not only does he have to worry about the guy he's tackling who's armed, but then he also has to worry about getting shot by the other guy, which is what ended up happening. Like the thing that he knew was a likely possibility happened. Like he very easily could have been killed. It seems like his injuries are not life-threatening. But he was shot right. It seems like he was shot right in the shoulder here.

You know, that's inches from ending your life. Oh, he easily could have died. I mean, not easily. I mean, look, I mean, it's a miracle that he's alive in this instance. Just, I cannot imagine the psychopathology of anybody out there trying to, you know, debate somebody's religion or any of that. That's the last thing that all of us need to worry about, especially in a moment like this. You've got targeted shooting. I mean, that's sick.

That's sick. You know, targeting women, children. at a Hanukkah gathering on Bondi Beach. And then, yeah, why can't it just be a horrific terrorist attack? We'll deal with that on its own terms, okay? It says whatever it needs to be said in terms of international politics, debates, gun control, et cetera. But yeah, just to go after the shooter, it's disgusting. Let's just get to the Australian police laying out some of the details what we know about these gunmen and the firearms that were involved.

Let's take a listen to that. There were two offenders involved in yesterday's incident. One is deceased, the second is in critical but stable condition in hospital at the moment. The offenders are a 50-year-old and 24-year-old male who are father and sub. The 50-year-old is deceased, the 24-year-old is currently in hospital at the moment. As part of the investigation, we conducted two search warrants last night, one at Onyrig and a second at Campsey. The 50-year-old male is a licensed firearms holder. He has six firearms licensed to him.

We are satisfied that we have six firearms from the scene yesterday, but also as a result of the search run at the camps he address. Ballistics and forensic investigation will determine this morning that those six firearms are the six that were licensed to that man, but also that they were used in the offence yesterday at Monday. So that's what we know now so far. Australia has already announced the Prime Minister that they're going to try and to tighten their nations and gun laws.

Remember, they already had some of the strictest gun laws already in the world after this ended up happening. So we'll see where that goes. But there's an Israel angle. I wish we didn't even have to cover this. But this, like you, to your point, about debating people's religion or whatever for a hero in the midst of an attack like this,

Netanyahu doing the most Netanyahu thing ever and trying to insert himself and his war in Gaza. somehow into this attack. Yeah, and a few months ago, at DropSight, we did a story where I obtained a set of surveys and research group findings that had been paid for by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs,

where they did a bunch of polling and they did a bunch of focus groups, and they were trying to figure out what can we do to restore our image here around the world in the wake of this general genocide. And it was this entire thing was leaked to me. And basically their conclusion was we need to ramp up Islamophobia around the world. Because when we poll ourselves just straight across the board, we're not doing very well at all. But if we poll ourselves against Iran,

or if we poll ourselves against Hamas, or we pull ourselves against, you know, quote-unquote Islamic terrorism, then people prefer us to that. So what we need to do is put all of the attention on that. And so that's the context for a lot of what you're seeing of the messaging from Israel around the world. So you put up this next element. So Netanyahu immediately came out and attacked the government of Australia. So here's Netanyahu telling the government of Australia that it is their recognition of a state of Palestine that actually caused this. On August 17th, about four months ago, I sent Prime Minister Albanese of Australia a letter in which I gave him warning that the Australian government's policy was promoting and encouraging

anti-Semitism in Australia. I wrote, your call for a Palestinian state fuels fuel. on the anti-Semitic fire. It rewards Hamas terrorism. It emboldens those who menace Australian Jews and encourages the Jew hatred now stalking your streets. We had an interesting counter protest that was picked up by Australian TV,

and we can add this in post. A Jewish woman came to the gathering, because apparently now there are a lot of Israeli flags flying down there. She wore a kaffaya and said, the reason I'm doing this is to protest the politicization of this killing. She's like, members of my community were killed. Actually, we can roll that here.

I came here today because I'm a Jewish person, because my family was murdered in the Holocaust, because I have community members murdered here. Let's go. And I've been reckoned with the press. Were there no Israeli flags here? We would not have no honor to fear. Because this community has politicized this tragedy,

we are standing here because the flag and this round represent the judges are entitled to take away from us. It is a political act by, let's assume that they did pledge allegiance to ISIS. So it is necessarily going to be politicized. But, you know, Netanyahu jumping in and trying to make this about support of a Palestinian state, ISIS and the Palestinian resistance have nothing to do with each other whatsoever. Yes. Like, they are hostile to each other. In fact, this, you know, Abu, what's his name? Yashir Abu Shabab, the guy that writes for the Wall Street Journal and was, you know,

killed recently, who was kind of running the rebel group. He had closer ISIS links. you know, he was aligned with the Israelis. They were trying to prop him up as this like alternative to Hamas. He had closer links with ISIS than Hamas does. Hamas is hostile to them. So ISIS has hated Jews since its founding, right? So, you know, to say that it's just about Palestine, it seems kind of ridiculous. But they've also never attacked Israel.

Right, yeah, exactly, right. And this would be maybe their first attack on even a Jewish gathering. Usually they attack on the West, kind of Christian gatherings or fellow Muslims or Shia Muslims. Look, we don't know. Still a lot of stuff that's going to come out, you know, about this entire thing. Also, anybody who, you know, murders dozens of women and children at a religious gathering is a psychopath who doesn't usually have a coherent political ideology either, right? What kind of dad is this? Jesus.

Yeah, I don't, I mean, look, well, yeah, yeah, well, you know, I don't know. Do they have the death penalty in Australia? Hope so. Okay? Hope to see it. But at least me, just me. All right? I don't know. I just think at the very least what we can say is to praise the heroism of Ahmed al-Ochmed and just to think about some of these. We'll put the go-fund me in here. Yeah, we'll put the go-fund me down there. But, you know, also look, 15 people, women, children, massacred at a religious gathering. No matter what kind of religious gathering, who cares, right? It's sick. It's completely sick. Hi, Dr. Lori Santos from the Happiness Lab here. It's the season of giving, which is why my podcast is partnering with Give Directly, a nonprofit that provides people in extreme poverty with the cash they need. This year, we're taking part in the Pods Fight Poverty campaign.

And it's not just the Happiness Lab. Some of my favorite podcasters are also taking part. Think Jay Shetty from On Purpose, Dan Harris from 10% Happier, and Dave Desteno from How God Works, and more. Our goal this year is to raise $1 million, which will help over 700 families in Rwanda living in extreme poverty. Here's how it works. You donate to give directly, and they put that cash directly into the hands of families in need. Because those families know best what they need, whether it's buying livestock to fertilize their farm, paying school fees, or starting a small business.

With that support, families can invest in their future and build lasting change. So join me and your favorite podcasters in the Pods, poverty campaign. Head to give directly.org slash happiness lab to learn more and make a contribution. And if you're a first time donor, giving multiplier will even match your gift. That's give directly.org slash happiness lab to donate. Hey, I'm Kelly. And some of you may know me as Laura Winslow. And I'm Telma, also known as Aunt Rachel. If those names ring a bell, then you probably are familiar with the show that we were both on back in the 90s called Family Matters. Kelly and I have done a lot of things and played

a lot of roles over the years, but both of us are just so proud to have been part of Family Matters. Did you know that we were one of the longest running sitcoms with the black cast? When we were making the show, there were so many moments filled the joy and laughter and cut up that I will never forget. Oh, girl, you got that right. The look that you all give me is so black. All black people know about the look. On each episode of Welcome to the Family, we'll share personal reflections about making the show. Yeah, we'll even make. bring in part of the cast and some other special guests to join in the fun and spill some tea listen to welcome to the family with telma and kelly on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever

you get your podcasts hi i'm radi dvluca and i am the host of a really good cry podcast this week i am joined by anna runkle also known as the crappy childhood fairy a creator teacher and guide helping people heal from the lasting emotional wounds of unsafe or chaotic childhoods We talk about how the things we went through when we were younger can still show up in our adult lives, in our relationships, our reactions, even in the way we feel in our own bodies. And Anna opens up about her own story, what helped her notice the patterns she was stuck in and how she slowly started teaching her body that it is safe now. So when I got attacked, it was very random.

Four guys jumped out of a car and just started beating me and my friend. And they broke my jaw on my teeth. I was unconscious. Then I woke up and I screamed. And I screamed because, even though I was. I didn't know who I was or where I was. Something in me was just like, hold on, wait, they could kill me, and I'm not going to let that happen. I'm not going to let that happen.

I'm going to get through this, and I did. Listen to a really good cry on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And then, you know, sticking on this theme, geez, you know, for everybody listening, I'm sorry. You know, it's been a depressing hour, but we just got the last thing that we have to put in here. Rob Reiner, the Hollywood legend icon, killed with his wife in his house. Let's go and put that on the screen, guys. MB1, please. Rob Reiner, this is newsbroke late last night. This is from people. They better be right. I'll caveat it in terms of it's a report, and he's not yet been charged. But People magazine

claiming that Rob Reiner's son is implicated here in the attack on his parents, again, allegedly, and that is according to this report by people. And the son has not yet released any comment The circumstances are shocking you have here on Sunday, December 14th, at 3.30 p.m. Eastern time, or 3.30 p.m. local time. A LA Fire Department was called to a home to provide medical aid. The LAFD. Upon arrival, they found a man, 78, and a woman, 68 dead. Sources conformed the victim were Rob and Michelle Reiner. Police say Nick 32 is alive and is being questioned. No arrest has yet been made. Rob Reiner, obviously, I mean, he's one of the most famous actors, what, of the last 40, 50 years? Also, just an incredible director. Look, you know, Rob and I disagreed on politics.

Who cares? Happens to just be like literally an icon. Yeah. I don't know. All this death is so... It's hard to think of anybody. It's hard to think of anybody who's contributed more to cinema and Hollywood

than over the last 40 years. He's up there, right? He's up there. Like, just an absolute icon. you know, Princess Bride when Harry met Sally stand by me. Yeah, I was going through his own and on and on and on. Plus, the rare director who can also act, you know.

And he produced some incredible films. And got to start with all in the family. Yeah. Just an absolute legend when it comes to, you know, what he has contributed to our culture. The Princess Bride, you know, absolute classic when Harry met Sally.

Yeah, misery. Like, to be able to, like, his range... Stand by me. Unbelievable. His range is just absolutely... Spinal tap. Like, uncontested. Like, nobody has...

Spinal tap, just, if you haven't seen that, like, a lot of people might be a little bit young for some of his stuff in the 80s and 90s. That stuff holds up. Oh, it's good. Yeah, listen. Watch it over the holidays.

I don't want to tell you. I didn't even go with the American president, bucket list. I actually love a bucket list. I think it's a good thing. People didn't like it. I liked it. It was good. Yeah.

Spinal tap two. It was supposed to come. But an incredible actor as well. Even as an actor? Yeah. I mean, he, man, his most recent, what? His most recent big blockbuster role was probably Wolf of Wall Street. He was so good in that.

Yeah. Just, you know, what is this world coming to? But, yeah. Rob Reiner and his... Nick Reiner, yes, so people are saying their sources have it on lock that... I mean, this, look, they better be right, or they're going to get sued. They're speaking with him. That's what they say.

He said he's being questioned. As a lot of children of Hollywood, he's been in and out of rehab, and, you know, he was homeless at one point, you know, facing real addiction. And we would imagine mental health issues that are associated with that. how that leads to this outcome is very difficult to conceive of, but here we are. And tragically, his daughter apparently is the person. She found her parents and had to identify the body. So just, yeah, it's great. RIP, Rob, thanks for everything you gave us.

All right, let's move on. Hi, Dr. Lori Santos from the Happiness Lab here. It's the season of giving, which is why my podcast is partnering with Give Directly, a nonprofit that provides people in extreme poverty with the cash they need. This year, we're taking part in the Pods Fight Poverty campaign. And it's not just the Happiness Lab. Some of my favorite podcasters are also taking part. Think Jay Shetty from On Purpose, Dan Harris from 10% Happier,

and Dave Desteno from How God Works, and more. Our goal this year is to raise $1 million, which will help over 700 families in Rwanda living in extreme poverty. Here's how it works. you donate to give directly, and they put that cash directly into the hands of families in need. Because those families know best what they need, whether it's buying livestock to fertilize their farm, paying school fees, or starting a small business. With that support, families can invest in their future and build lasting change.

So join me and your favorite podcasters in the Pods Fight Poverty campaign. Head to give directly.org slash happiness lab to learn more and make a contribution. And if you're a first-time donor, giving multiplier will even match your gift. That's give directly.org slash happiness lab to donate. Hi, I'm Radhdi Dvlukaya and I am the host of a really good cry podcast. This week, I am joined by Anna Runkle, also known as the crappy childhood fairy, a creator, teacher, and guide helping people heal from the lasting emotional wounds of unsafe or chaotic childhoods.

We talk about how the things we went through when we were younger can still show up in our adult lives, in our relationships, our reactions, even in the way we feel in our own bodies. And Anna opens up about her own story, what helped her notice the patterns she was stuck in and how she slowly started teaching her body that it is safe now. So when I got attacked, it was very random. Four guys jumped out of a car and just started beating me and my friend. And they broke my jaw on my teeth. I was unconscious. Then I woke up and I screamed. And I screamed because even though I didn't know who I was or where I was, something in me was just like, hold on, wait.

They could kill me, and I'm not going to let that happen. I'm not going to let that happen. I'm going to get through this, and I did. Listen to a really good cry on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Dr. Priyank Wally. And I'm Hurricane Dubolu. On our new podcast Health Stuff, we demystify your burning health questions. You'll hear us being completely honest about her own health.

I'm talking about very serious stuff right now, and you're laughing at me. And you'll hear candid advice and personal stories from experts who want to make health care more human. Sometimes you're there to listen, to understand, to empathize, maybe to give them an understanding or a name for what's going on. That helps people a lot, understanding that it's not just in their head. We are breaking down the science, talking with experts, and sharing practical health tips you can actually use in your day-to-day life. From when to utilize and avoid artificial light to how to sleep better. Everything you need to know about fiber and how to poop better. How to minimize the effects of jet lag and how to stay hopeful in times of distress.

We human beings, all we want is connection. We just want to connect with each other. We want to make health less confusing and maybe even a little fun. Find health stuff on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're going to turn now to Epstein. There were some shocking images released here by the House Oversight Committee. These are not yet seen, and these are much more recent than many of the stuff that, let's say, Ryan and I have been going through some of these emails. Many of these are just even months before Epstein died.

Put it that way. You died. Let's go and put B1, please, up here on the screen. This is a Trump condom photo, which apparently was at the Epstein residence at Trump Condom, 450. I'm huge, apparently. Let's go to B2. This just showed, really, a lot of the photos where the extent of his relationship there, with Steve Bannon.

So you've got this mirror selfie pick there with Steve Bannon, I guess Epstein trying to get a fit off there with Bannon's signature two shirts. I'm not sure yet, or the two shirts are in that particular one, but Bannon's sporting his normal look. B3, please.

Let's go to put that one. This is crazy. So it's not just the photo of Bannon with Epstein in Epstein's, you know, Palatial Mansion is there's this framed photograph of, I mean, to me, looks like some passed out girl there. Is that a bathroom?

I mean, no one can really tell what it is, but you can see that there's a passed out young female in this photo. I mean, this fits with everything that we know about Epstein. He just had this disgusting fetish. I mean, God, even calling it a fetish is not really fair. Like, it's just disgusting proclivities

on display for everyone to see. His overt sexualization, it was almost cartoonish. You could see that in the emails, you know, when you and I go, you're like, who talks like this? I mean, we saw it in the birthday book as well, right? Every other joke, joke about, you know, kidnapping and sexually assaulting someone is, it's every other page. These are grown men in their 50s and 60s. He didn't want to leave anybody, any room for deniability when it gave them how gross he was. Yeah, they all deny it.

They're like, oh, I had no idea. It's like, yes, you did. I never opened my eyes when I was around him. I mean, you know, or listen to him talk or read his emails. Remember going through his Amazon orders? Like, because he email, it's like the amount of sexual paraphernalia. Again, it's mind-boggling to see it.

Just to see, like, it was open. Yeah, like you said, normal people don't have condom bowls and pictures of passed-out women on their desk. And just like the craziest number of, again, like, weird fetish. sex shit everywhere all across their house. Like if you interacted this person for five minutes, you knew exactly what was going. Which a lot of people did. Send emails to these people for five minutes.

You'll get a decent number of people in the elite world who will say, I met him, I was completely disgusted and I never saw him again. And you can see why that would be true. Yes. Like he was not hiding it. So that's why when I hear that from some people, And there's no, you don't find evidence in the emails of the travel logs or something that actually, um, they went to the island and they like deepened their relationship.

Yeah, this is why the claims from Larry Summers and Bill Gates and all these people, I didn't, yeah, you did. Right. And Bill Gates's wife, for instance, was like, the guy was gross. Right. And I told Bill stop hanging out with him. Yes. And from Melinda's perspective, it's like, yeah, he was gross. Right. Like, he was not hiding it. Right. So literally not hiding it. Right. Let's, let's continue, by the way, be forward. Let's put that. up there on the screen. Oh, who's that? Aude Barak? Former Prime Minister of Israel. He said he barely knew him. Interesting. Yeah, barely knew the guy. In his inbox. He's got a little photo here. The former Prime Minister of Israel there. Multimillion dollar deals there with Epstein. Soliciting, you know, venture capital dollars into almost certainly

intelligence-connected Israeli startups. Well, absolutely. You know, millions of dollars being paid by the Wexner Foundation, which the Wexner Foundation claimed he didn't have any direction and of which DropSight reported that he actually was deeply directing all the Wexner Foundation. I mean, we could just go on forever here. And that's just, again, by the way, I mean, you know, let's not even just move past the fact that Benjamin and Yahoo tweeted out a Jack of an article, basically confirming, or at least from his side, that he wasn't. Right, because this is an Israeli asset, but in his really asset of the other Israelis, not him. Right. Not him. Okay. Got it. Let's go to the next one. Bill Gates, Prince Andrew. Two gents who said they didn't really even know

anything about what was going on. Also, there were no facilitated meetings. Prince Andrew's well-known nickname was and is Randy Andy. So again, like not subtle, not hiding what they're doing. So there's Bill and Randy Andy. Okay. And he's just, he's not Prince Randy Andy anymore. Yeah, he's not the Prince.

Just Randy Andy. Sorry, I forgot. I apologize to the British people for using the name Prince. He has been strict. Andrew Mountbatten. Or no, Andrew Windsor, I apologize. Andrew Windsor and Bill Gates, private citizens, too, in their own right. Um, next one, Richard Branson?

Oh, Richard. How could you? How could you, Richard? If we're going to remotely defend Richard Branson, uh, we... What is it? He owns the, like, neighboring island. Yeah. Um, it's this famous island where he's had, like, you know, Obama and, like...

Yeah. All the wars of luminaries. And, you know, there's... You get lonely and bored out, out there in your island paradise. So you go and hang out with your super rich neighbors? Hang out with your super rich neighbors. Do you Google them? beforehand?

No. Maybe? No, you don't want to do that. You might want to, right? Nah, what could possibly come? You may Google your neighbor, especially when your neighbor, you probably have to take a helicopter or a private jet. So if we're going to defend it, we have to say, whose island is this on?

Okay, right, but it's bad either way. If it's his island, that's bad. If you invite him to your island, it's even worse. Maybe he just washed up. Come on. He just showed up on his little boat. No, no, no, no. And he's like, Richard, what are you doing?

Even then, you're like, isn't that my creep neighbor? Yeah, go away. Island? Get out of here. Go away, dude. He's not home. Look, I tried Branson. Sorry. I got nothing for you. Sorry. All right. B-7. He even owns his airline. He doesn't need... For the Hollywood heads, this is a good one. Here's Woody Allen having dinner with Jeffrey Epstein on the left. On the right, here's what everybody wants to know. What movie is this? So we've got Epstein on set with Woody Allen. We don't know yet which movie that this came from. There's some speculation out there about the exact Woody Allen film, but yeah, there's it to them. In fact,

you know, when I was going through the emails, Ryan, with you, wasn't it crazy the number of Hollywood invites that were in there? Oh yeah. You know, they were like, hey, Michael Clayton, George Clooney respects the pleasure of your company or whatever. He got the email. I remember the one email, it was like to David Chase's private, not David Chase, but HBO's like private screening of the Sopranos finale, like a real screening like before that it was even going to air. So, I mean, he was deep, deep into this. Go to the next one, please, just to continue there. Oh, who's that?

Oh, oh, Larry and his wife. Got it. Got it. There's Larry. There's his wife. And what did we learn? This is on the jet, by the way, there with Jeffrey Epstein. What did we learn there about his wife and Lolita?

Yeah, and Woody too. But what did we remember that Larry Summers' wife recommended Lolita to Epstein? Yeah. And got him like an annotated copy. Well, no, he bought himself in a copy. Because two wasn't enough. You needed the original version. You needed a first edition.

Like what about Epstein makes you think he hasn't already read that 10 times? Yeah, by the way, I've learned a little bit. So I've not read Lolita. Apparently my wife read it, I talked to her about it. And she was like, you know, what's funny is if you read it, like the guy is the villain. Yes. But yeah, but it's like the whole book is like this villainous justification of pursuing this 12-year-old. I have read.

Oh, have you? It is not subtle. Yeah, right. The book, for any normal functioning brain, It's like, what a disgusting human being, rationalizing this behavior. Yes. And apparently for him, he was like, oh, this, you know, what a hero. Yes.

Right. Okay. No, it's quite obvious to anybody reading it that they're like that this is supposed to be a bad. I alluded to it, but you've had your content warnings and all that. So if you're watching this, children, you know, I mean, it's not subtle here, okay? Like an insane amount, I'll get an insane amount of just, like, weird sex shit. And it's how a jawbreaker gag, massage. Come on. All right. I'm not anything to say it. Like, you know. All right. Must be for plumbing, right? Yeah, definitely for plumbing. So yeah, that's what we know from the Epstein photos that have been released there. By the way, the House Oversight Committee actually saying they do have videos and photos of people, quote, engaged in sexual acts. Let's take a listen. Do you have pictures of people engaged in sexual acts as part of this?

As part of this release, yes, there are pictures of people engaged in sexual acts. Are there pictures of men not Jeffrey Epstein engaged in such acts? We're going through that. Again, the last time there was a big production, what we tried to do was release all the files eventually. We're trying to be selective about what we're released now. And so in this case, we're not really quite sure yet who is who. certainly there's a lot of people involved though in some of these acts and see what's interesting about that answer though is he doesn't say yes yeah and so

one of the claims from kind of the world of people that are saying that this is not a giant ring that it's just a giant predator um is that all of the footage is either like porn that epstein was consuming or it's epstein himself engaged in sexual acts and he doesn't say otherwise there. Well, he may not have it. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, who knows, right? That's why actually when I want to flag, let's go to B12. Shout out to Jason Leopold, the FOIA terrorist, self-described boy terrorists. I love it. Here's what he says from a new FOIA. FIA files. DOJ and FBI had made revelatory disclosures about the docs it withheld related to their review and redaction. Intrigingly, the FBI said it searched, quote, client lists to locate records. Remember this. This is after the

FBI director Cash Patel claimed there is no client list. Client list doesn't exist. FBI director said that. The DOJ attorney general also said that under sworn testimony. Keep that in mind. And they said in search of clientless. This actually would be shocking to me that a client list exists because I've always thought that that's kind of like boom or slop if I'm being quite honest. Yeah. I'm like, I don't think clientless exists. Especially I've read 18,000 the man's emails. So have you, Ryan. It doesn't work like, hi, you're coming to my house so I can blackmail you on tape. Like, that's not, everything is couched in like innuendo and respectability and, oh, it's come to the island and then a weird offhand comment.

We're like, ew, right? But it's not overt in the way that it. It's also like in a circle of accepted behavior. It's probably akin to like any vast, like criminal enterprise or anything else going on where nobody says this stuff out loud explicitly. Like, I'm calling you to distribute 12 kilos. of cocaine. That's not how it works. And in the emails, there are multiple instances where he is clear that he understands that email

is not a secure means of communication. So what we're getting in the email is what he thinks he can say and get away with. Because oftentimes you'll, sometimes you'll see encrypted stuff, but other times he'll say, not for email, discuss in person when stuff is getting too sensitive. Yeah, what they call switching to guns. Right. Too close for missiles. Switching to guns. And so that also goes to the point of like it would be unlikely that he would have a list that's just in one place.

It doesn't work with it. So we'll see what they mean by this client list. Yeah, I mean, listen, I would love to see it if it actually exists. Maybe somebody, FBI document compiled a so-called client list, right? And then that's their investigatory version. That's kind of why you need to release all this. Final word here to Congressman Thomas Massey saying that it's a criminal violation not to release the Epstein Files per the Epstein Files Release Transparency Act. Here's what you have to say.

They cite the Epstein Files Transparency Act. So you've got three grand juries that are going to release all their materials redacted with the victim's names to the DOJ. So it's a good sign that the DOJ went back and asked for that grand jury material. If DOJ doesn't release the files it has by next Friday, is there anything? Congress can do to compel that to happen? Well, I mean, it's a crime if they don't. It's not like they're in contempt of Congress because they didn't respond to a subpoena.

This is a new law with criminal implications if they don't follow it. Criminal implications if they don't follow it. So thank you to Congressman Massey staying on the case and the release of the photos just this is also part of the problem, Ryan, that you and I have found is that people, just like the shooting, everybody tries to distill things immediately

in terms of partisan. ship. And the whole point is that it implicated everybody. Bill Clinton, by the way, okay, was also, you know, named in the photos. So we know that. That's been known. Yes, there's in fact, maybe we'll cover this tomorrow. The Clintons are fighting like hell right now to not testify about Epstein. That's right. They're going to war with Congress trying to make sure that they don't have to come forward. Guess what? Let them come. Let's go, Hillary. Let's go, Bill. Anybody. If you're in it, you got to talk. Bannon went to prison for not testifying. That's right. Yeah, lock her up.

I mean, they need to be the funniest way. But she should just testify. She can do her schick. Right. What does it matter? She's got that line, right? What does it matter? What does it matter?

B-14, speaking of partisanship, Trump not getting great marks from the American people. 23% of people approve of his handling of the Epstein scandal so far. meanwhile and I'm just just tacking this on at the end here this is a post from my own kind of TikTok I noticed that one of the posts that I put up on TikTok about the Epstein reporting that Mertaz and I have been doing over at DropSite was flagged that said you can't

this can't be shown in the 4U page so I clicked on it and you can and you can read there why I clicked appeal and the appeal was comically rejected in like 7, seconds. It's like when it's like that scene in the office where Michael Scott's like, can you crunch the numbers again? And the guy just did you do you do you say numbers. It's the same number. So they write reason for ineligibility. In a global misinformation, in a global community, it is natural for people to have different opinions, but we seek to operate on a shared set of facts and reality. Content is ineligible for the for you feed and harder to find in search if it contains

general conspiracy theories or unverified information related to emergencies. Content sent for fact checking may also be temporarily ineligible for the 4-U feed while it is undergoing review. Do you understand why this video is not eligible? I clicked no. No. Yeah, I also do not understand. I included in the story links to all of our reporting, which is sourced to publicly available emails and documents. But somehow that did not. survive the appeal. Yeah. So what are we going to do?

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