Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 12/9/25: Young Voters Flee Trump, Jasmine Crockett Primary, Congress To Bailout Israel, Piers And Fuentes

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

Krystal and Saagar discuss young voters flee Trump, Jasmine Crockett primary, Congress to bail out Israel, Piers Morgan w/Nick Fuentes.     To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, that's pretty gosh darn good. But you come over now, according to CBS News, you gov. This isn't falling into the water. This isn't going undersea. This is going into a deep, dark, black hole. Look at that minus 46 points. That is a shift on the net approval of 56 points in the wrong direction since February, age 18 to 29 on Trump and the economy. Back in October of 2024, who did those under the age of 30 trust?

Harris or Trump? It was Trump by 10 points according to the Marquette University Law School, Paul. Look at where his net approval rating is now on the economy. Minus 52 points, very similar to what we saw in the CBS News, U.Gov, Paul, in terms of his overall drop in support on the net approval rating. And this minus 52 varies, yeah, it's just stunning. And Trump's drop among young people, especially among the youngest demographic. vastly outstrips his drop in approval rating from older demographic groups, although he's dropped

among every age group. But let's put this next poll up on the screen. This is from Yale polling, and they have it broken out by, you know, smaller age demographics. So not just like under 40 or whatever. And you can see the single largest drop in Trump's approval from 2024 recalled vote is among 18 to 22 year olds. And I don't know if you guys remember. This is the same poll. And the, um, the, the, Holster here, the head of data science, writes that in our last poll, Yale polling, drew national attention for documenting the rightward shift among young voters, and especially the youngest voters, 18 to 22, where they found actually a big split between 18 to 22 and then 23 to 29 and 30 to 34. That has now evaporated. You still have more Trump disapproval among 30 to 34 than among

18 to 22, but that gap is pretty narrow. And like I said, the biggest single shift comes among that youngest age group. I think, you know, Sagar, I'm curious for your view on what is going on there. We could see three up on the screen just to add to some more numbers here to the mix. You've also got some, this is, I think, a Harvard poll or this might be from the Yale poll as well. In any case, this is again among young voters. And heading into the midterms, huge enthusiasm gap among Democratic young voters far more excited to turn out to the polls and vote in the midterms than Republican, young voters. So, you know, clearly that'll be significant. You did not see that gap, actually at the same time leading into the 2018 midterms, which did also end up being

good for Democrats. So you see an even, you know, a major enthusiasm edge here, which could end up being significant. But, you know, I mean, to me, it's a few things. It's a betrayal of the brand of, like, I'm the outsider and I'm, you know, I'm going to fight the corrupt bad guys. And now you're the guy in the Epstein Files covering up the Epstein Files. I think that is a blow to his brand. And then it's the economy, like the people who are the most screwed by the current economy and also by the way, by the all in on AI, we're going to get rid of all the entry level jobs in the near term and then we're going to get rid of all the jobs in the long term. The people who are most screwed by that are young people. So it makes sense they would have the most dramatic shift against him. I think it's very simple. It's economy, Epstein, Israel. So those in Israel and Epstein are interchangeable. So economy is what? Is that things are not getting better. is that broadly, people don't have a lot of faith, that things are going to get better, there's no vision.

You know, more recently, it's kind of funny. I've seen some right-wing, like Matt Wall, she was like, what is the Republican Congress done exactly in the last year? And I was like, yeah, it was called the Big Beautiful Bill. Yeah, first of all, you don't even know that. But second, yeah, it was tax cuts. It was just an extension of the 2017 tax cuts, which we had five years.

It wasn't very broadly politically popular. It mostly solidified, you know, the current tax system, and it gave a few more tax breaks. And cut. That's it. Medicaid. Right, and it cut some Medicaid. I mean, I'm not, yeah, I don't know if young people are paying attention to that one, but like, look, my point has always been about taxes is, it's about opportunity costs. We only open the tax code every five years. So if you're paying attention and

you saw that opportunity, you're like, where's my first time home buyer credit? Where's my, you know, this? Where's my ACA premium? Where's a reduction in my tax here? Here, where is a potential tax credit to help me get it? None of that happened. So the biggest blown opportunity. in the interim, you had the ACA problem, which this is very underrated because this is an issue. The ACA thing specifically mostly applies to old people who are on Obamacare as they wait to go get Medicare. If you take a look at the statistics and the small business owners like you or I. But the point is that that elevated the conversation of health care. And I do actually think, I'm sure you had this experience when I turned 26 or whatever, you need to first get your health care.

You're like, hold on. What? How much out of the paycheck? Like, that's kind of a ride of passage for a lot of people who are younger. And because healthcare inflation is so high even for employer-sponsored, they have that. They have the crushing costs. And then there's no plan or vision. If you're in your mid-20s and you're 25, if we're not going to reopen the tax code until 2029, so you've got four more years to go. That's a huge part of your life, of which you don't have any faith. Things are getting better. Epstein

goes to the insider, insider versus outsider, revolutionary kind of I mean, look, I think young people probably support Trump because they want to blow shit up. And I don't blame them. If you think back to my, when I originally made a case for RFK and for all these other people, I was like, yeah, people are fed up, blow the system up, right? No, it went two way, right?

There's two ways that that could go. It could go the current way where everything is kind of majorly influential to whatever weirdo or billionaire happens to be in Washington. That's apparently the way it ended up. But, you know, ultimately, when people say they want radical change, like, they're not asking for some neoliberal bullshit, ultimately. That's why Zoran is kind of the democratic response to that.

So that's fundamentally the betrayal of what it is. And then Israel is a huge part of it where prioritized a small country. Tucker always says it best, in my opinion. You just can't have a nation of 9 million rule over 330 million. It's to violate natural law. A lot of people get very upset about that. So you put those three things together. You put the Internet, you know, and you got to give some credit to the podcast guys and others

who people who supported Trump. No, I think that's influential. For this age group, for sure. I'm saying you have to give them credit in terms of, they turned relatively quickly. Like four months, five months in, it was dusted. You know, if I think, if you look at, you guys covered Tim Dillon yesterday, right? Like, look, I mean, these guys, they don't have a lot of loyalty. They're not connected to the system in the same way that a lot of those are.

And they'll switch on you. That's not a knock. I think they should. That means you're honest. It just is like, that, when you put it all together, I mean, you've even got Rogan out there talking about mass deportations, right? So it's like you got everything together where it's just, there's a recipe for a disaster. I think the AI thing here.

Oh, AI is big. I'm sorry, I forgot that too. No, I mean, it ties into the economy. But I think it's really significant, especially for this age group, because number one, they're the ones who, you know, young people tend to be early adopters of tech. So they're the most familiar with it, right? They understand it the most, both its, you know, limitations and the fun applications and ways you can use it to, like, cheat on your papers in college at this point.

So most familiar with it. But also, they're the ones who are kind of on the front lines of the really damaging impacts. You know, there's already, if you look at the unemployment rate for college grads, that has gone up dramatically. And there may be a variety of reasons for that. But AI is part of that story. And certainly those entry-level jobs that these young people would be slotted into ordinarily, those are the ones that are most under threat, either because of the current reality of AI, or because you have companies that see where this is going, are like, well, I don't really want to hire for this. I'm going to wait and see if I can just use the people that I have and give them some AI tools to increase their productivity. I'm not going to

pay them more, mind you, but to increase their productivity. So I don't have to hire these young people coming out of college anymore. I don't have to train them up. I don't have to deal with that. I'll just throw some more AI tools and more responsibility at the people that I already have. So they are really on the front lines of seeing the impact of AI and society as well. There was another thing that I found really interesting in terms of heading into these midterms. You know, we're sort of in a similar place as heading into 2018 where it looks like, okay, there's a backlash against Trump. There's going to be midterm gains for the Democrats that's already pretty much, I think

everybody expects that's the way things are going to go. But there's a significant difference in terms of the type of voters, Democrats are picking up this time, versus the type of voters that they were picking up into their coalition last time. Let's put C4 up on the screen. This was interesting. I hadn't seen this analysis done before. So this is from the argument, and the sourcing here is from Catalyst, which does data analytics as a Democratic-Aline firm that does data analytics.

In any case, the headline of this chart is the new blue wave looks very different from the last one. So last time, almost all of the gains coming into 20. were from who? White college-educated voters. The single largest gain was eight points from white college-educated and from white voters in general. This time around, there's zero. In the category of white college, there's actually zero Democratic gains. Now, perhaps they've just maxed out that category. They've already maxed. But all the gains, the most significant gains this time are with non-white, non-college voters. So an 11-point Democratic swing for non-white voters and a 12-point Democratic swing for non-college voters. Now, on the one hand, that is good news

for a Democratic Party that has been struggling with non-college voters, that is seen their edge with non-white voters bleeding during the Trump era. So in a sense, that is good news. On the other hand, in terms of midterms and turnout, it is the analyst here described it as a less efficient coalition because these are not the people that turn out in every single election. You have to actually do something to excite them to make it so that they're not just going to go, you know what, I'm just staying home, like screw all these people, where they actually feel like, okay, affirmatively, I'm going to come out and vote for a Democrat. But I found that very interesting in terms of the dynamics this time around versus last

time. And again, I think a lot of it just comes down to the economy. Isn't it just common sense? This is a swing did swing coalition to went to Trump. Swings back. Yeah. I mean, it's just not complicated. Like non-college Latinos in particular are such, are like maybe the core swing demographic at this point. And very sensitive, of course, to the economy. I think the immigration stuff plays in as well where they just feel like their whole identity under attack. But this is a group that has really swung very strongly dependent on who they feel like is going to be better on the economy. And there has to be a major sense of disappointment and stress over the state of things right now. I think economy is number one. On immigration, maybe. But I mean, this is not a

baby demographic. I mean, there was all this discourse about the Puerto Rican thing after Tony Hinchcliffe and Puerto Ricans still turned out massively for Trump. Like, these are not pearl clutches, right? Like, at the end of the day, I think economy is literally number one whenever comes down to it. And no one can say that they're wrong. Like, no one can say that they are wrong. I use that term and shittification. Like, it's true for everything. And look, maybe I have rose-colored glasses on about the past. I'm certainly, I'm sure, but I don't know if you saw there's this new Gen Z trend romanticizing 2012. Yeah. You know what? It was awesome, okay? I'm going to be, it was great. I loved it. And part of it was, that was before the time when social

media truly dominated our lives. So there's a different, but there's also the cost element, like the young social lifestyle. Everyone talks about, oh, Gen Z doesn't go out to bars anymore. I'm like, yeah, well, when a cocktail's $28. Look, I don't promote drinking. I think drinking is bad. But if you want to drink a lot when you're young, go for it. I certainly did. And yeah, I think it probably worked out for the benefit. You know, when I was out there hitting the bars at age 22, the age of the four or $5 deals and all that existed. I don't think that really exists anymore. I'm talking about even in downtown Manhattan, like you could go out, maybe be seven, eight. I mean, what's it now? 25, 24, something like that. You go out to dinner. I've told

you, I don't even drink anymore. My bills are starting to tick up, $70, $80, $100. You go out to drink, you know, eat dinner with your wife. Neither of you are drinking and you're paying nearly $100 with tip. You're like, what the fuck? I mean, I remember when this was $25 meal, right? And That happens for everything. There's also this whole thing about going out to eat now. It's like, well, when going out to eat, when fast food alone, you know, have you ever, have you been to five guys lately? My wife asked me five guys.

I go pick it up. It's $20 for a little cheeseburger and fry. I go, okay, I mean, again, am I insane? I actually remember when it was 12. And there's just a big difference between all that. So if you are younger and you're, you know, just trying to go out and to meet people or whatever, I mean, you know, who has 150 bucks to go out? Even Uber's.

Listen, back in 2012, there was this great thing called UberPool, where we would pay $2.99 and ride around in cars with strangers. Yes, it took much longer. But it was cheap. It was pretty fun. I rolled all over the city for $10. I don't think you can even do that anymore, right? It doesn't even occur to me they got rid of UberP.

Oh, UberP is long gone. Yeah, I miss it. RIP. I enjoyed it. Yeah, RIP to that. Yeah. It was also like 2012. was the early phase. It was like you had the benefits of social media

without it just being, you know, super algorithmic and taking over everything leading to all this like radicalization. It was a very sort of like almost innocent time on socialization. Absolutely. It was very earnest. It was pre-grade awokening. The great awakening was 2014,

so there was no woke bullshit. The social media was, you know, it was like bus feed is happening. Right. And Twitter. And then it was like, Twitter just took down. the Egyptian, you know, what was it, the Egyptian, Mubarak, and everyone was like, oh, my God. It was like, oh, this is going to be this great democratizing thing. And then it just turned

to like, listen, and here's the counter. Here's the counter. Here's the counter. The economy was going to shit. Afghanistan was ramping up. The global war on terror, the drone strikes were all happening. Listen, there was still a lot bad. But I actually, there really was, and again, very naive, but there was a hope for especially people who are my age. I'm trying to think, 2012, I was like 20 or something like that. I was like, hey, we're going to get out of this. Like, we're going to be okay. Like, we're going to get out of Iraq.

Yeah, Obama fucked up Afghanistan, but like, we'll figure it out. It's going to be fine. And all of this. And we're going to get things like right back on track. And then, you know, things. Yeah, and you had, you know, the social movement, like, you know, Occupy Wall Street was, um, yeah, that was 2010. I think it was like, 2010, but there was like a sort of, you know, there was an optimism

that we could actually, like, change things. Right. Yeah. We believed in our political system. We, or a little bit. Some of us still believed naively in our political system. I would say I had much more faith in the system at that time. And it took me a much longer to be like, oh, fuck this.

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Texas Senate race now. Texas is like Democrats, white whale or whatever. Is that the expression? They always think they've got a shot at it. They never do actually have a shot at it. Probably going to be the same again this time. But, you know, this is shaping up to potentially be an extraordinary reckoning in this midterm. So who they pick as a Democratic candidate matters a lot. So yesterday we had a lot of movement in this race. previously you had james tallarigo and colin all red um who were in the in in the race and talarico you guys probably seen him he's like young guy and it was attracted a big following he went on with joe rogan rogan was into him um you know he's he's tried to i think really uh use some of the language and try to appeal to like a left liberal kind of a um kind of a kind of a lane okay

so like elizabeth warne adjacent kind of a lane right And now, yesterday, we had the entry of Jasmine Crockett, who has made a national, liberal, democratic brand for herself as, like, one of the fiercest fighters against Trump. Now, ideologically, there's just kind of like standard democratic positions, but she's bad on Israel. She took crypto money. I don't think she supports Medicare for all. But the woman has a lot of charisma.

She has a lot of stour power. She has a great ability to trigger the right, which is something that Democrats are really valuing. So she announces she's getting into this race. And I think part of the backstory there is to the Texas redistricting. Like her district got kind of screwed. So she's like, all right, I guess I have to go and jump in the Senate race. So when she announces, Colin all red drops out. So now it's basically Jasmine Crockett versus James Tala Rico. Jasmine had, I think, very interesting and very, I guess, controversial launch video that she put out. And for those of you who are just listening, it's just her, she's, it's her face, like a close-up of her face, effectively staring into the camera while Donald Trump, clips of Donald Trump insulting her and specifically insulting her intelligence play. Let's go ahead and take a look at this. How about this new one they have?

Their new star, Crockett. How about her? She's the new star of the Democrat Party, Jasmine Carkett. They're in big trouble. But you have this woman Crockett. She's a very low IQ person. I watched her speak the other day. She's definitely a low IQ person.

Crockett. Oh, man, oh, man. She's a very low IQ person. Somebody said the other day, she's one of the leaders of the party. I said, you've got to be kidding. Now they're going to rely. on Crockett, Crockett's gonna bring him back. So that's the whole thing.

Just her sort of turning to the camera as he's insulted. What do you think, Sogertelma, you're taking on? It's just the classic 2018 bullshit. You know, stand for nothing. Trump hates me. Okay, but do you think it'll be politically effective? A hundred percent she's going to win.

And that's, listen, I mean, let's be realistic. This is part of the problem. Tala Rico is actually trying to intellectualize this way more. Because when you were talking about the standard left liberal thing, because he's trying to go after the new Texas Democrats. So the thing is, Texas, like Houston suburbs, Dallas suburbs, these people are Mitt Romney Republicans. I grew up with them.

They're like Christian, but they're, you know, like country club. They're rich, you know, mostly. Now they're Democrats. Well, you know, the Tala Rico kind of like, I'm evangelical, but I'm a Democrat. And, you know, kind of like feels very Buttigieg. It's very Buttigieg, exactly. And by the way, who was Buttigieg's core constituency?

Remind me, right? The upper middle class is white liberal. Yeah, so that's who he's going after. The thing is, though, is that right now, those same people are radicalized as much as, like, with boomer shit-lib memes. So Jasmine Crockett is the logical endpoint of that. They hate Trump.

Like, there's actually not a lot going on beneath the scenes. So Jasmine Crockett is the logical endpoint for the Texas Democrat, because for a lot of the people there, for them, they feel like they live in occupied territory. They're like, oh, we have a Republican governor and Dan Patrick and all this other crazy. Ted Cruz and John Corny. We want somebody to stick it to Trump.

And so that's why Tala Rico, again, to me, he's almost trying to like over intellectualize the process. She gets it. Stand for nothing. Just be against Trump. And by the way, it's going to work. 100% she's going to win. 100%. And that's one of those.

I mean, I'll eat my words, I guess, if Tala RICO does win. But the thing is, she doesn't have a shot now. Because, at least in my opinion, because what you just talked about, the core swing demos, that Tala Rico Crockett, what they're trying to do is just take anti-Trump energy. What I think the lesson of the Zoran Mamdani campaign is, is that you have to take anti-Trump energy and marry it to something else. And with that, you can win over the Trump voter. That is not happening.

Beto O'Rourke already ground-tested the anti-Trump strategy in 2018. Lost Ted Cruz by two points. You will never have that again. Because now there are still enough Latino Republicans who may, like not all of them are going to swing back, right? Even if some of them do. So the margins just don't exist. Like the statewide data is now in, and it's very clear.

Texas, even with shifting demographics and all of this, you would have to win over a pretty historic number of these traditional Latino voting Republicans. not happening under Jasmine Crockett, definitely not happening under Colin under Tala Rico. Colin Allred, by the way, he kind of tried the inverse of this, the kind of like football,

buff guy. Was he in the NFL? I think he was a football player. And he's like a, he's like a centrist. Yeah, he's like a centrist. But he tried the like, I'm standing up to Trump and I played football, you know,

that type of thing. That shit didn't work. Like, Beto is as close as they were ever going to get. That was 2018. The shifting demos, like, no, sorry. So let me. Let me caveat by saying, like, neither of these candidates exactly my ideological cup of tea.

Like, very, I mean, Tala Rico took Mary Madelson money. He's tried to shift his position on Israel. We want to talk to him because I want to know more specifics about where he's seen. Also, I'm pretty sure he's pro gambling, so. Yeah, the problem with that. She's taking crypto money, although I don't actually, I've tried to look. Her record doesn't seem that bad on crypto. She voted against the Genius Act.

Everybody, every Democrat voted against the Genius Act. In any case, she took the crypto money. She's really not, she's really bad on Israel. She's not for Medicare for all. Right. So neither of these candidates is like my ideological cup of tea. I think in the primary, I think you're right. Right now, the polymarket odds have her up 51 to 48.

So they have it effectively tied in terms of the polymarket odds for whatever that is worth. You already see her garnering endorsements from house members. Ayanna Presley came out and backed her. So that's going to give her some momentum within the debt. Democratic Party. And I just have to tell you, on pure, raw political talent with no ideological valence, the woman is a star. Like, she is a star. And I think the reason why that launch ad was, again, not what I would do. I would want to foreground affordability and specific plans, etc. But why it was very politically clever for her is because it puts on display her greatest

strength, which is, again, triggering the right, which in the same way the right loved and still does love, the candidates who can trigger the libs, Democrats now are in a place where if you can get Fox News mad at you and you can get Trump coming after you, they're like, yes, that is what we want to see. The other thing it does is it cast her as the main character, right? It puts her at, like, I am already at the center of this thing. And so I think she has a lot of strengths. Talariko, you know, there's there's something, even though there's a lot that he says that should appeal to me, he has this very, to me, dated style. Like part of what was cool about Zoron, obviously the policy is the most important part. But he had this very modern

aesthetic. The font, the vertical video, the cuts, the authenticity of it. The, you know, I mean, he just felt very natural to him. Tolerico's launch ad is him standing in the back of a rusted-out pickup truck with the church in the background and the Texas flag here and this fake crowd gathered around him. And it feels like 2006. Yeah. And I don't know. There's something about it that to me is just like off-putting instantly.

And again, it's not fair because, again, this is not about ideological valence or like where he stands on the issues. But there's a stylistic issue for me with him that I'm having trouble. overcoming and I think maybe it is also like lingering Pete Buttigieg trauma because Pete also did the like sort of had a similar stylistic approach similar way of talking also grounding himself like I'm the Christian so I can speak to the Christians on all of this stuff so primary I also give the edge to to Jasmine Crockett look that is again I'm from there I've seen this movie before that's like a blue dog Democrat strategy this shit doesn't work it's been dead since 2010 there used to be my

congressman feels very consultant yeah it doesn't work anymore driven yeah They don't want this, like, I'm a rancher. It's like, who was the Montana guy? John Tester. Yeah, same shit. All right, guess what? He lost. For him, but he did very well in that state, given the overall politics because that was authentic.

He actually really was a rancher, right? He lost, what, like his hand, like his finger or something and a ranching, I was, like, that was authentic to him. Tala Rico, it feels very like, okay, we got the consultants together at a room and you're a young guy, so we need you and make you appear like larger. and like you've got this crowd behind you or I don't know it just all feels very very crafted and inauthentic jasmine crock's ad obviously is also consultant driven and crafted and all of that but it does feel like this is her like her she puts herself at the center she puts herself in the spotlight she does know how to pick these fights and so yeah i think a lot of democrats are going to they already love her right because of the way she's picked these fights and are going

to like that aspect of her in this campaign as well. In terms of the general election, like, it's definitely, I would, I would bet on the Republicans. I think it's definitely there to lose. I wouldn't want to count her out. I feel like there is a just assumption that she's going to perform poorly, that she won't be able to peel to swing voters, et cetera. And listen, if there's one thing I've learned from the Trump era, it's that that, like, charisma and that star power, it overcomes a lot. And she has, she has that quality. So, you know, I don't, like I said, I would definitely think the Republicans, it's their seat to lose, they've got a shot at it. But when you have this tremendous reckoning of the Trump era and discussed with what the Republican Party represents and the people who are, have swung the hardest against Trump are non-white, non-college voters, of which there are many, many, many of in Texas, you would expect that Texas would be a place where Democrats would perform much better than they ordinarily perform in the state.

I am not willing to write her off completely for the general election in the way that many others have. I'll make my sock bet right now. I'll get a sock on camera again. I'll do it. I'll do it if she even loses by a point. There's no way. I'll say it because it just doesn't exist where, like, her strategy is one that will easily win a primary. By the way, if she were in a closer state, I actually think she would have more of a shot.

But the state has fundamentally had a major political transformation over the last, since the last time that a Democrat came, close, like the Beto strategy. It just, it doesn't work anymore. I mean, the margins expanded in 2024. And the idea that you could bank just on, you know, those type of voters to come out for you, I just don't see it. Especially, by the way, there's going to be a raucous maga primary, which is currently happening with John Cornyn and all of them. So the Republicans are actually going to be a little bit more engaged in this race than normal. It's not just going to be normal smooth sailing. There is an argument that that's bad, but it does mean that they're going to be paying attention. Paying attention means you come out to vote. And by the way,

I mean, she's a gift, all right. In the way that she triggers the right, yeah, but that is useful to get people to come out and hate vote against you for anybody who may come out to vote for you. I think she stands for nothing. I also, I mean, look, I know, look, she's a lightning rod and that's fine,

but I think she's genuinely kind of dumb. Like, I don't, I've never heard of say a single smart thing. She's a complete narcissist. She has a background of herself on her iPhone. Narcise. That's insane. Sogaret, these people are all narcissists. Yeah, I agree with you.

That's a given. That is a given. I don't think it's like I don't see any sign that she's not an intelligent person I think she is an intelligent I think she's very savvy in the way that she's positioned herself and like I said like ideologically she's maybe intelligent the way Trump is for gaining attention that doesn't mean you're a smart person like yeah you're talking about politics yeah I'm talking about what matters are people voting based on like you know your SAT score I wish they no yeah they're not she has star quality and here's the other thing is at the Senate level it matters, the individual candidates matter more, matter some. I think what we learned in the off-year elections is that it doesn't matter that much who Democrats, you can run a Mikey Cheryl, you can run an Abigail Spanberger, you can run, you know, an Afton Bain in Tennessee, you can run, what's the do's name, Jay Jones, who like, you know, said he wanted to murder is Republican, you can run him and win. I think a lot of this is going to be about the

national wins much more than it is going to be about the individual candidates. Now, I'm not going to say the individual candidates and local conditions don't matter at all. Of course, they do at the statewide level, at the congressional level, I don't think they really matter all that much, but whatever, we'll put that aside. But I think the bigger dynamic is going to be what is the national mood. And the wind is, whether it's Jasmine Crockett or James Tallerigo or Bader or whoever they put in, the winds are at Democrats back right now. I'll tell you where she would have a better chance, actually. I think governor, because there's a lot of evidence that voters vote very differently statewide versus national. They vote on a less partisan basis for state

offices versus national offices. Like if you look at Kentucky, North Carolina, there's a lot of red states with blue state government, with blue governors. Exactly. Maryland famously, right, Larry Hogan, but they're not going to vote for him for Senate. They people, you know, you got to give them some credit. Like, in general, they understand the power of a United States Senate seat. It's going to be very, very difficult. And in the history of the red states, which would elect blue state Democrats, those have all been wiped out post-2010 with very, very limited exceptions. And that type that was successful doesn't look like her. Maybe. I mean, you know, this like raging narcissist triggering thing. It's worked for the Republicans. Sure as shit has. You know, don't get me wrong. But

it usually does not work in a state. Excuse me. It usually does not work in a state of the opposing party usually need like like if you're running in a blue state i'd be like oh you know it's there's no question about it but she doesn't have that larry hogan type energy i guess that you would need as a democrat i think to win but listen it'll be you know it'd be a good test we'll see uh i same thing the stock bet stands i'll do it if we need to all right what margin what's the margin i tell you 1% if she loses by less than 1% so it's like a spread like i'll what is it plus 1 all right we'll give her a plus 1stst So if she loses by more than one, I won't.

If she loses by less than one, I will eat the stock. And if she wins, I'll eat two. All right, there you go. I'll even spot a couple of points to the audience. Being a parent is basically a juggling act. Dinner, hockey practice, homework, a last-minute science project, and someone's always, always shouting for you from another room. So, yeah, I'll take any shortcuts that actually works.

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And I want to tell you about my new podcast called The Mailroom. And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many. years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone. Depends which bone. Well, that's true. Every week, we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility and things that happen in the bedroom. You mean sleep? Yeah, something like that, Jordan. We'll talk science without the jargon and get you real answers to

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Speaking of Congress, we're going to move to the NDAA. A lot of very important stuff going on here in Washington. Let's put this up here on the screen. Marjor Taylor Green, few Republicans still left in the House of Representatives for the majority, has announced she will not be voting on the NDAA that, quote, funds our military and is once again filled with America's hard-earned tax dollars used to fund foreign aid in foreign countries' wars. So let's take a look. What's actually in, said NDA.

Hmm. Despite promises to end the war in Ukraine, another $400 million for the, quote, Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative for 2026-27, you'll be happy. I'm happy to learn that for Israel, we have the following. $500 million for Israeli missile defense, 80 million for US-Israel anti-tunnel cooperation, 50 million for US-Israel anti-dron technology. We've got another $175 million for the Baltic Security Initiative, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia,

you've got a few hundred million there for the government of Iraq, Syrian militias. What's that? Syrian militias? Which militia exactly? Exactly. Do you mean 100 million to support Middle Eastern countries to increase security along their borders? So, you know, about half a bill there for the Middle East, for the pro-Aqaeda government over there in Syria, you know, a few cool 100 mil for the Israelis, a few

cool 100 mil for Ukraine. And so, yeah, pretty much looks exactly the same than it always has been. Zateo News, doing some good breakdown here over the Israel stuff. Let's put that next up here on the screen. This is amazing, by the way. The U.S. bill would actually fill the Israeli weapons gap caused by embargoes. So other nations that are boycotting and Israel and are, you know, stopping them from acquiring certain weapons. What the U.S. bill would do is go around and would then buy said weapons and make sure that we deliver it to them. They're going to analyze, make sure we need to spend our government money analyzing making sure the Israelis have absolutely everything they need, that they're not impacted

by these embargoes from their genocide whatsoever and then we will make sure to fill the gaps in anything that is not being provided by countries that have more of conscience than we know. America first indeed. And so actually, you know, what's kind of interesting here guys is this could be in trouble

because you've got a lot of you know, the margin right now in the House of Representatives is like two votes. Let's put D3 up here on the screen. This is from Politico. They're talking about what you miss in the NDAA. They also, you'll all be happy to learn, is that they are making sure to waive any of the existing sanctions on Syria. We wouldn't want al-Qaeda to pay a price. Now, would we? Now that they're

pro-Israel in Syria, that would be a conscionable. Wave a lot of sanctions, but yeah, it's funny that this is the one that we choose to do. Look, we can debate sanctions all we want. So they work, do they not work. There's a lot of evidence. They mostly don't work. But if you're going to do it, if you're going to waive it, you should waive it for a good reason. And in this case, like, what are you doing it for? So you can maybe pro-Israel, Al-Qaeda in Syria. Okay, all right, got it. And like I said, hundreds of millions more here. I love this, you know, making sure to backfill all of the Spain, Italy, and Germany weapons transfers. My buying said weapons, make sure that Israel has absolutely everything that it needs. Now, originally, I thought, of course, Ukraine,

we're not even going to, I'll get to that money pit here in a second, I'll disappear into the pockets of Zelensky and his cronies. He needs just a few more 100 million to make it all work. But what is amazing to me is I originally had thought, oh, well, Marjorie won't vote for it. So maybe it'll be in trouble.

But you informed me this morning, I had forgotten that many hawkish Democrats will probably bail them out. Because they support the Ukraine, the Israel section, too. So it's great to live in a uniparty state. Yeah. Bipartisanship, still very much. It's alive. It's alive. Don't listen to the haters.

You say there's no bipartisanship in Washington. No, so, I mean, you're losing Marjorie. Thomas Massey, I'm going to assume probably not going to vote for it either. That means you can only lose one more person. I think that's the math. And so if you did have more Republicans defect, the expectation is that there are a handful of hawkish dems who would make sure to step up and fill the void. One other thing provision I did want to mention because this was, you know, related to a central Donald Trump campaign promise. Remember he talked about how he was going to expand.

access to IVF, blah, blah, blah. Well, Mike Johnson, who is this, you know, ideological Christian zealot, he has removed a provision that would have provided IVF coverage for military, active duty members of the military, so that in spite of Trump's pledge to strengthen access to the procedure. So, you know, it's one of the line items here. Of course, this is a Christmas tree type of bill. There's all kinds of stuff put in here. But one of the pieces that got stripped out for, you know, religious ideological reasons here seemingly from. the Speaker of the House himself, was this provision that would have provided IVF access for active duty members of the military. Wow. Yeah. Great. Let's continue here, D4 up on the screen.

We wanted to stay on top of this. We had told you before that there are many Republicans who are weighing resignation. Well, now it says that there may be 20 in the next few weeks who will announce that they will not retire running for the exits before things get worse. It's a terrible job. I think, in my opinion, I always has been, especially in the House of Representatives. But especially now, and when you're headed into a minority, you're going to be doing nothing. You're just going to have to be, you know,

Trump's impeachment defense guy. And that's a great job for, you know, Jim Jordan or anybody like that who just loves to go on Fox News and be like, here's what we're going to do to stand up to the radical Democrats today. If you actually care about getting anything done, already being a minority sucks,

being the minority under Trump, where 98% of what's going to happen, happened on the Democrats' investigation of Trump. Get ready. You know, it's going to be Benghazi committee all day long. Not a criticism. That's fine. That's what opposition parties do when they take over the House of Representatives, but that's the reason why. And they don't want to take their marchion. Well, yeah, that's right. It's always a sign. You always see, like, in years where it's expected that it's going to be a Republican wave, you see a bunch of Democrats retire because they just don't want to deal with being in the minority. They're like, all right, I'm done here. This time,

the indication is you've had more Republicans who have retired. or outright resigned, like Marjorie Taylor Green is not serving out the rest of her term. And so that is an indication of where the political wins are heading and the expectation from basically all of them that we're going to be in the minority. So I'm not sure I want to stick around for this. I mean, one question. First of all, we don't know how many. You know, this says up to 20. Well, up to 20 is a pretty broad range. So how many exactly? The other question is, you know, do others of them take the Marjorie Taylor Green route and leave before their term ends, triggering more special elections, and putting the House majority in jeopardy even before

we get to the midterm elections, which again, given the narrow margin and given the way these special elections have been going, is I think certainly very much on the table that Mike Johnson would lose control, majority control of the House even before we get to 2026. Right. Yeah. So it's going to be interesting. And then I just had to put this in here because you know, only been saying it for three years. D5, put it up here on the screen. You gotta love this. New York Times, they woke up from their coma.

They say Zelensky's government sabotage oversight, allowing corruption to fester. Oh, really? And they say at Times investigation found President Vladimir Zelensky's own administration removed guardrails and, you know, to prevent graft. And they point to this

very specific example involving a gas company, this is the tip of the iceberg. And, you know, I've, did you guys cover? Probably not, which the head negotiator, literally, we played a sod of him last week. The head negotiator for Ukraine's peace deal, he had to resign because of corruption. His own defense guys. Corrupted that, didn't he? I don't think we did. Because we covered that. We did the sot and then the next day he literally resigned. Resigned because of corrupt. Can you imagine that? Like, you're negotiating peace. And the next day you're like, oh, actually, I got to go because they got me. I took. I, tweeted out the story. They got close Zelensky advisors, business partners with hundreds of millions in cash and euros in the middle of their apartments when they're being busted. Zelensky is literally at war with his own independent aid to the extent that there's any independent agency trying to cover. And what do we do? We hand them another 400 million. It's amazing to me. It's amazing to me. Like, one of the reason, look, I get the Europeans

why they're all bought into this. If this war ends, it's a disaster for him. It's a disaster for him. gravy train. Like, this is the only thing propping up the entire Zelensky regime. They have profited to the tune of hundreds of millions. And it's pathetic because at the time when we used to talk about it in 2022 and 2023, when it wasn't popular to point out how corrupt this country was, they said you were a Russian propagandist if you wanted an independent agency to review. And coincidentally, Segar, one of the greatest government agencies in U.S. history with Special Inspector General for Afghanistan. It just issued its final report. And I read it. I've been reading those for 20 years. And its final report detailed the hundreds of billions that we wasted

in Afghanistan. And the only reason we even know about so many of that is because of that independent age. We still wasted it. Now you would think, you know, eventually that we would get an accounting. Now we don't even have the mechanism to account. We're going to rely on some New York Times investigation or whatever Ukrainian opposition will come in and just point out only the Zelensky corruption, not their own, and all this stuff. And so. So, you know, who knows how many billions would pissed away in this war and how many people died as a result of it, even if you do support Ukraine. And it has a major ongoing impact because, you know, part of the deal that is being crafted, which seems like it's not really particularly going that well at this point, the Russians don't like if the Ukrainians are rejecting view, whatever. It doesn't seem like that's really coming together, but who knows what's happening behind the scenes.

In any case, part of that is, okay, you're not going to be in NATO, but you get to be a part of the EU. That's right. Well, the EU has guidelines about corruption, anti-corruption. So they're looking at this and like, I'm not so sure. We really want Ukraine given the track record right now to be part of the EU. So it has consequences, you know, not only which is significant in terms of where our tax dollars have gone and who's into whose pockets they have gone in and what little interest our political class has taken in answering that question, but also in terms of what happens in the future, you know, whenever this war is brought to some sort of an ugly conclusion. Yeah, that's right. I mean, look, I don't think, I'm not optimistic for a deal.

Trump is not focused enough on it. The Russians have their own, you know, they, look, the Russians, like, they don't really need this deal. They're fine. They don't care about killing as many of their people as possible. The only people who need a deal is Ukraine because they're dying and they're keeping them losing their territory. Putin basically behind the scenes has said, look, We're going to take this shit note one way or the other. You could give it to us or we're going to bleed another 100K. They don't care. Their economy is fine.

Their population seems to support the war. I don't get it, but they do. I'm not Russian. I guess they've been convinced of it. The Ukrainians are the ones who are moving in the opposite direction. They got enough people killing. And they've got enough people been killed and they're willing to negotiate at least a little bit. And the Europeans are blowing smoke up their ass about how, oh, don't worry, we'll fund you in the interim.

And as long as nothing happens, it's good for Ukraine. Because what did I just show everybody in the NDAA? Hundreds of millions are still pouring in. Just enough to keep them in the fight, you know, to continue to lose more territory. And so, look, we're going to end up in the same place no matter what. So they think that they're being smart by holding this off. They're being dumb because they're just going to continue to lose their territory. They refuse to wake up to reality.

They demand NATO protection, security guarantees. And Trump wants to give it to him. He's the one who's to blame here. It's been a year now, you know, basically, since he's had a lot. opportunity and nothing is moving in any direction. So if you're pro-Ukraine, you should be mad. And honestly, if you're, you should be even more mad because you're like, you said this was going to end. And you just keep pouring money into the conflict, doing nothing. And dragon feet, people are dying by hundreds, you know, hundreds of thousands. Well, and remember the messaging

from him. This will be easy to something. Yeah, that's what he said. I'll do it before I even take office or I'll do it on day one. I mean, that was what he said. And people bought into this brand. Oh, he's a great dealmaker. If anyone can get it done, it be him, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, And I think people were not really buying in that it was going to be literally handled on day one. But if you look at his polling, this is one of the issues where his rating is the lowest. Because, you know, it is another major blow to his brand. You're supposed to be the great dealmaker. This was supposed to be so easy for you.

And here we are a year in. And, you know, we had some rumblings of, okay, okay, things are coming together. And look, again, I don't know what's happening behind the scenes. I have no special knowledge. but we haven't heard much about progress being made. It seems like both sides are balking at the provision. I doubt. I will be so doubtful.

Look, we're about to go into Christmas. You know, things go on hiatus. The money gets passed. Get a couple hundred million more. Zelensky and his guys get to go to Vienna and Paris and buy some police. It's at the point now or it's easier just to put it on the back burner. It's Afghanistan now. We're just going to keep pouring money into this shit.

And it'll get worse and worse. One day, it'll blow up. And then everyone will go, oh, my God. How do we all let this happen? It's like, well, it would have been easier. to solve this shit in 2022. But everybody said, oh, I'm going to, I'd rather pay high gas prices for Ukraine. How'd that work out for you?

They lost way more territory since that time. So thanks for, you know, destroy whatever. Let me keep ranting. Being a parent is basically a juggling act. Dinner, hockey practice, homework, a last-minute science project, and someone's always, always shouting for you from another room. So, yeah, I'll take any shortcuts that actually works. And that's why I'm all in on Hello Fresh.

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And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many. years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone. Depends which bone. Well, that's true. Every week, we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility and things that happen in the bedroom. You mean sleep? Yeah, something like that, Jordan. We'll talk science without the jargon and get you real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about. It's going to be fun. whether you're 27, 97, or somewhere in between.

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I was among the millions that watched all of it. I know you watched the... I think so, yeah. Was it millions? Let's check. That's what Pierre said. He was bragging about it being millions anyway, so I'm taking his word for that. Of course he said that. But, you know...

About 2.2 million. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, there were, you know, there are a lot of clips. You guys probably seen already some of the things floating around. Maybe you have or have not. We'll get to some of the ones that have been clipped out the most. But there was a different exchange where Nick acknowledges that his politics are basically the same, not basically, he says they are the same, as the politics of Israeli Zionists,

that he wants the same thing for the U.S. that they want in Israel. And in a certain sense, I thought that was maybe his most accidentally revealing comment. So let me go ahead and play that, and we can talk about that on the other side. There's a genocide going on right now. It's not against the Jews. How many Christians are there? Gaza, it's against one. How many Christians are there in the world? Let me. One point some billion. We are. We are losing as a civilization of mass migration. And here's the difference. In Israel, they have my politics. In Israel, they want to maintain a Jewish majority. If they had it their way, it would only be Jewish people. They're fighting like hell so that Jewish people can have as much territory,

a Jewish state. They can be proudly Jewish in their own land. Whereas in America, we are being besieged by 10 million illegal immigrants in four years. And then whites and Christians are going to be the minority. And that's true in Canada, Australia, all the countries in Europe. So you could say there's two billion people, but what's the proportionality? What is the percentage of people being born that are white? Where's the arrow pointing? Where are we going to be in 50 years? In 50 years, there might be in Israel. In 50 years, there isn't going to be a white person. So the reason I think Sagar that this is very instructive is because we have all spent a lot of time now thinking about Israeli society. Yes, I agree. And it's really politics. Thinking about how

that is going for Israelis, let alone how that is going for the world. And so Nick is saying here, my project of ethno-nationalism is the same as the Israeli project of ethno-nationalism. So as much as he is critical of them, he actually admires their commitment to an ethno-state with Jewish supremacy. He just wants it to be white people who are on top, you're white Christians who are on top here versus Jews as it is in Israel. And I think we can all see very clearly from recent experience, what that actually looks like. I mean, in terms of Israeli society, they have major issues. They're suffering, you know, an exodus of especially the sort of like college-educated,

you know, elites who are leaving the country. You have a massive, you know, issue in terms of like the social welfare state and people who actually want to work and pay in. You have, of course, extraordinary violence, you know, all this language about, oh, we need Israel because it's the only place where Jewish people can be saved. and it's quite the contrary. It's probably the place where Jewish people are the least safe. It requires and necessitates an apartheid regime because you're constantly terror, in terror, of a demographic replacement and of Arabs, Palestinians, becoming the majority. So then you end up doing

both violence, apartheid, and ethnic cleansing. It leads to mass state violence, like multiple wars on multiple fronts bombing all of these countries for the greater Israel project so that you can make sure that your ethno state is demographically secure. Like that is their project. And here Nick is saying, yes, that is what I want for the United States. So that's why I think that that comment to me was so interesting. Not just interesting. That is the fundamental problem for the American Zionist project. Because the American Zionist project is that Israel is defense of Western values. he is saying, actually, no, it is representative of my vision for an ethno-nationalist American state. And in a lot of ways, he's honest about it, right? He's right. And I think that's part of

the problem, is we all, at least most of us, with our eyes open, we see that society now for what it is. Now, I would say, if you look at the right-left valence for a lot of the criticism of Israel, it comes into two things. Number one, from the left, it's almost entirely based on human rights concerns. On the right, a lot of it is about this tiny country. I said before, it violates natural law, a country of nine million that rules 330 million or at least has a vast amount of influence. But, you know, look, Americans, even people who are skeptical of immigration, like let's talk about the Trump people. Whenever the Trump people overtly make immigration stuff racial, it becomes much less popular. Is that correct? Now, why? Because what do people

mean when they say they want immigration restriction or something like that? You point to control over your border. Now, here's the other thing, too. If you actually ask people whether they want ethno-nationalist politics, they're like, no, actually. I mean, look, first of all, it's a little fucking ridiculous to hear a guy who admits that his family is Italian and Mexicans start talking about Heritage American. Like, seriously, okay? All right? You know, if we want to play this game, my wife's blood goes back to Plymouth Rock, all right? I've got way more Heritage American credit than My kid, even though it's a jeet mongrel, according to the Groyper's, has got more heritage American blood, all right?

If you guys want blood and soil, like, we can do that. Rolling it back to the, I mean, this, it's just something you and I both have in common. We both have Jeep mongrel children. It's so preposterousy. Does it not annoy anyone else that only in America that they can become so assimilated to be Italian-Mexican, espousing, ethno-nationalist, white politics. You know, again, my wife's ancestors would have been horrified at a Italian post-18-century Catholic, oh my God.

Catholic, saying that he's a white American. I mean, does this not drive anybody else crazy? All right? Okay, moving back about the ethno-nationalist part. Yeah. This is the logical conclusion of, like, Zionist Israel. And that's a nightmare because Israel has always relied on we are better than everybody else. Yes. We are better than these barbarian Muslims who live in Doha. By the way, look, I'm, I lived in Qatar, okay? I don't want to live in Islamic country. It fucking sucks, if you ask me, completely, completely out of step with most Western values. I don't want that bullshit over here. But they want that to see. That's what I'm saying. They want that in their own, you know,

version to be imported here. That's part of what drives me crazy. They're the most identitarian people in the world. Think about what we have seen in Israel. To associate yourself with their politics to me at this point is it's honestly wild. Just this week, we didn't even get around to covering it because there's so much psycho shit that they do. Ben Gavir and his acolytes, who are members of the government, their new symbol, their new

pin that they're wearing around. It's yellow. It's meant to look like the hostage ribbon. But if you look closely, it's a noose. It's a nooth. The symbol of racial terror, like the national global symbol of racial terror. That's what they're wearing. Why are they wearing that?

Because they want the right to execute the Palestinian detainees that they're holding, some of whom are children, none of whom ultimately are very few of whom ultimately even face charges. They're just randomly pulled if you're military aged men. You're just assumed to be guilty. So there's that. We all witness the right to rape protests and the way that the rapists are celebrated in the country. Like, that is a natural extension of the Israeli Jewish supremacist ethno-nationalist project, as is the apartheid, as is the violence, as is the ethnic cleansing, and as is the fact that you are not interested in making peace with your neighbors. like all of that violence comes from this one rotten seed of we must do anything we have to do

and it doesn't mean nobody else matters only we matter and we will do literally anything to maintain our demographic majority so let's just be really like he is telling you those are his politics and that is perfectly in line with everything else that he said and the reason I appreciated this interview with peers is because Nick has been doing like he just did one was Stephen Crowder. That was so fucking embarrassing. I'm sorry. It was Stephen Crowder. That was- You don't have to say sorry. Humiliating. It was humiliating because from the jump, he's, you know, he's clearly afraid of Nick and his audience and everything's like, now you've said some things I don't agree, but I think you were just joking. I think

you're taken out of context. Like, let me, you know, let me give you the floor to explain that you're really much more reasonable and moderate that these bad people want to make you out to be the Tucker interview. Also embarrassing, right? He's been going on this tour, and now he's sort of like can't be denied anymore. So, you know, everybody's going to talk about him and everybody's got to talk to him. And mostly what he's been getting is softballs. Or they don't have his words directly there. So he doesn't have to directly address them. Now, there are parts of this that I would have handled differently. But, you know, Pierce, like, too, he's good at this type of interview. He's not afraid of confrontation. He's quick on his feet. He had a moment where he, like, caught,

he had a couple moments where he caught Nick in some, you know, some things that were like logical inconsistencies that I thought was very clever to do in the moment. He doesn't handle everything the way that I would. But he kind of forced Nick to actually be straightforward about what are your actual views. Are these jokes or are these not jokes? And I think that was at this point where we are with him being uncanceled and him being in the mainstream and having all this influence and all of that, I think that was important to do. So let me go ahead and play one of those moments. So, you know, I, Nick actually called me out for always calling him a Nazi prefaceing with the fact that he's a neo-Nazi every time I talk about him because I think that is an accurate

description of his politics. So one of the clips that Pierce played was him saying like how great and cool he thinks Hitler is and he challenges him with that. Let's go ahead and take a listen to how that goes. You think Hitler was very fucking cool? Yes, I do. And I'm tired of pretending he's not, to be honest. This is the problem, you see. It's a bit like when you just say, I'm a racist. You're a racist, you think Hitler's cool, but you're not anti-Semitic.

If you're a Jewish person watching this, what are they thinking? So there you go. Yes, I think Hitler is cool. I'm tired of pretending he's not. Let me go ahead and play also this moment where Pierce challenges him, Nick, with some of the things he said in the past. And I mean, aren't you just basically admitting here that you're a racist? And Nick says, yes, he affirms, yes, you could say that.

I am a racist. This is F3. Let's take a listen. I'm a new generation of white person. I'm not living around blacks. Sorry. You know, I want white kids and I don't want my white kids bringing home black people to marry. It's racial for me.

And call me racist. Oh, very Christian to you. I don't give a fuck. I mean, it couldn't be clearer, really, unless you want to say that's another of your jokes, but you're basically saying, yeah, I'm a racist, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, I'm fine with that. You're fine with saying you're a racist? Totally.

I think everybody's racist. I think everybody, if we're being honest, is racist. I think everybody, the only people that aren't racist or pretend not to be our white people, to their detriment. There was a funny moment right after that because Nick had taken great offense at Tucker playing for him something he'd said about his dad, which indicated his dad was racist. Pears, did I say, oh, I said Tucker, sorry.

Pears played something for Nick that he had said about his dad that indicated his dad was how dare you see my dad is racist? And then here he's like, well, yeah, everybody's racist. And so Pierce's like, but wait, your dad is just the one race, non-racist person? I thought that the whole dad thing was kind of weird because whatever. But my point is just like, look. I think it was clever because it got him sort of angry. Yeah, that's fair.

And frazzled off the jump. Now, listen, to be clear, Nick's fans think he did a fantastic job. He thinks peers was owned. He thinks they think it's so base that he was like, yes, Hitler's cool and yes, I'm a racist and all of that. Like, they're totally happy with his performance. To me, I think it's very useful to have this new interview where he says, overtly, yes, Hitler's cool.

Yes, I'm a racist. I support the politics of, you know, apartheid Israel. That's what I want for the United States. Okay, good. Like, good. People need to know. Yeah, I agree. Exactly where you are and not do this.

like playing cute and coy and like, oh, I want to work with the left and I'm really reasonable. And no, I've been so mischaracterized. Well, even in Trump criticism, you know, I mean, look, it's been very effective very recently. He's very, look, he's smart. Like, let's give credit where it is due. He's a very calculated person. Like when he does his normal guy interviews with, I don't know, like Bradley Martin or something like that, he'll sit and he'll very cogently explain the problems with U.S. support for Israel and, you know,

stuff that has broad-based support. But this stuff is also important to couch. I mean, look, you know, the Gryper's are correct in that, and quote, he did a good job. He very accurately represented himself, you know, very accurately. If you knew anything about him, this is exactly what it is. And I'm not going to sit here in Pearl Clutch. I'm pretty confident enough in American politics and more to say, I don't think most people are cool with that. I just don't.

And, like, that's the part where, look, this is, this kind of begets, like, media responsibility for couching in everything. what this is an important, by the way, why are we even paying attention beyond like this is a thing? Because the thing is, and again, this is, in my opinion, kind of reminding back, I think the last time we talked about, Fuentes, I ultimately blame much of the, quote, liberal Zionist or right-wing Zionist project for this bullshit, because they are the ones who try to defend ethno-nationalist Israel, who murders women and children, in the language of American interests and of liberal Western values, which a lot of American of believe in. And they kind of broke that open and that criticism window where ultimately it really was like Nick and a few others who were willing to say, no, this is bullshit. And like, that's the

vacuum that was ultimately filled. And so, and, you know, look, even now with the pro-Israel right, everyone is basically saying the same shit about Muslims, you know, this like rampant, like, low- IQ Islamophobia, as literally, by the way, go read that Charlie Kirk letter to Netanyahu. He even says there, and there was a whole poll tested strategy. They're like, we need to attack Islam to, like, move away from people attacking. But this is what these, like, Zionists never understand it. Guys, if you openly normalize talking generically about cultures and moving away from talking about people as individual, or openly talking about people as a race, and specifically, like, openly normalized, like, grouping people in together.

Yeah. Historically, that's always been really bad for Jews, right? But they seem to think that it's not going to blow back on them. He's only taking it to a very logical conclusion. And so that's why is Israel a comment combined with the race? It's like, yeah, that is that. That's a project. Listen, I mean, look at America.

Like, in general, broadly, what we mostly have come to terms with. Again, even coming to immigration, I know you disagree, but there are a lot of people who still voted for Trump on the immigration agenda. I, again, think it was about control. And one of the things, I mean, even in this whole, like, race thing, whenever he talks about, I think you literally said at one point, race is not skin deep, right? Which, okay, I mean, yeah, if you believe that, I mean, that's fine, I guess. You know, not a lot of good evidence, actually, whenever it comes to U.S. culture.

This is my, look, I don't love the race IQ discourse. I don't think there's a lot of really good that comes from it. But if you want to, if you want to, look at educational attainment, buy race and all that, you would be amazed at the difference, let's say, in the term white. White is a meaningless term. The income gap between a quote-unquote French heritage American compared to a Italian-American or a Serbian or Caucasian American from the Caucasus is almost a difference between like white and black. You can also do that in terms of Asian.

My point is like La Ocean versus Japanese or Indian. Now, I don't want to go down this whole road. But my point on that is that if it was just not skin deep, then that wouldn't be the case. Because their skin color or their race would determine it. I think a lot of it is cultural. And in fact, that is value-based. And it transcends. In fact, it's kind of an inspirational story.

If you ask me, you know, we've, I read this piece. It was in Killette years ago, actually talking about. Black Americans and, you know, the legacy of the H. You know, the Harlem Renaissance and Caribbean Black Americans versus some of the legacy of, like, Jim Crow South and why exactly there were educational differences in income. Yeah, it's all culture. Turns out, and you can't even say, oh, guys, genetically they're the same. They're both descendants of a slavery-based island, you know, system. So actually, it's all cultural-based. I think that's kind of cool. Very inspirational, actually. Yeah. But no, but, you know, and again, I think entertaining this is dangerous,

but I guess at this point, like, we have to talk differences, you know, and all this. And so, look, and by the way, you know, I don't think people want to go down this whole road of, you know, they were talking about the Somali fraud thing. I'm like, okay, you want to talk about fraud? Like, you want to talk about fraud? Like, we can. Right. Let's discuss Mark Scott. Yeah. How about that? Okay, but let's also look at, I'll say it, the Hasidic Jewish culture, right? Well, guess what? Go to New York City. You can look at landlords and all people, racist do this all the time, who are anti-Semitic. Do I think that's because they're inherently Jewish? No, I think that ultra-insular communities of any sort often can use their different network effects

in order to pull off fraud. I mean, Nick, coming from an Italian background, this is something that's very much about the Italians, you know, the mob and the way that that all worked. I mean, yeah, it's a very common phenomenon, especially with immigrant communities, especially if there's, you know, especially actually if there's some sort of discrimination against that community, and that makes them even more tighter knit, and they're looking out for one of them, you know, it's like... Don't let my own people off the hook. I'm not a race.

I don't believe, you know, and all this... A lot of Indians commit fraud. A lot of them, you know why? In India, it's a non-rules-based system where corruption and graft is rife, culturally. It's a huge problem over there. And so they come over here, and some of them who use the same practice.

Does that mean all Indians are corrupt, love it? No. In fact, is it inherent to our ground condition? Right. Or is it a legacy of the institutions and all? I'm fine with that. We can talk about that shit all day long, but let's not all pearl clutch over it

and let's definitely not make it some sort of like skin color. My point is, it's America. We should all be treated as individuals. I'm happy to discuss culture all day long from Somalis to Hasidic Jews to anybody else. We can talk all day long about merit. That's ultimately why I think a merit-based individual-based system

in evaluating everyone as ultimately as the U.S. Constitution inherently at its best wanted us to look at is fundamentally why I think the American project is still sounding good. We have tried his vision before. It was called the Jim Crow South, beyond openly just being a place where people were lynched or whatever. They'll love that one. They're always talking about how the lynchings weren't always that bad.

It's amazing. No, it's, if you never delved into Southern. I didn't even know about that. Oh, man. Southern revanchism is a whole other. Well, and there's, I mean, for me, I think the culture piece, like I give that some credence. I also think material conditions are incredibly,

important even when, you know, that was one of the things that was frustrating me when peers and Nick were going back and forth on like crime statistics is you have to talk about material conditions to get a complete picture there as well. And peers because he doesn't, you know, he doesn't really have an opposite or like an alternative ideological frame. So it doesn't have a lot of grounding to come into those discussions. Like he doesn't have, for example, a class-based frame to apply or even, you know, you would bring more of a cultural frame to it to apply. Like, he doesn't have it. But in any case, putting that aside, you know, I think there's another dynamic here. First of all, most of what Nick says about black people, about immigrants, most of this

has not been a problem for the Republican Party. You know, most of this is pretty mainstream in terms of the Republican Party. You can just ask Stephen Miller and look at what the president says about Somali, about Somalis, not even Somali immigrants, like Somali U.S. citizens, Somali Americans, to see. the way that this racial lens has become the dominant lens of Republican politics. And it's ironic because, you know, in a lot of ways, they position themselves as pushing back on the racial lens or the identity lens that came from liberals and the left. You know, that's what wokeism is, right? It's a racial lens, but from a left-wing perspective. And now they have applied their own. And I mean, this has always existed. And Republicans is not like new, but now it's, I think,

more front and center than it's ever been before. And with more overt power and the person of Stephen Miller and others within the White House, just look at the way the DHS account posts where they have this very explicitly racial lens. That's how you end up with the refugee program shut down except for Afrikaners coming out of South Africa, right? White's, literal white's only refugee policy. But where Nick comes in from their opprobrium is when he applies it Jewish people as well. And so, you know, that's why, like you say, okay, you blame liberals. Look, I think there's a lot of blame to go around for the flirtation. No, no, not liberals. For the right-wing Zionist movement. Right-wing-zion.

They're trying to, they're trying to have it both ways. That's, yes, fair. They're trying to say, denaturalize and deport all Somalis because we don't like Ilhan Omar. Right. But if you do the same, if all Jews, if you can flate for Israel, you're an anti-Semi. And you can't happen. And you should literally be criminalized and locked up, and that should be made actually illegal. Yes. No, I blame the right-wing Zionist for his rise, 100%. And I agree with that. And then to zoom out more broadly, you know, I don't think any of us should be surprised

that radical politics is ascendant, that it's more overt, you know, is a product of certainly like internet culture, but also just a product of the fact that the neoliberal project has run its course. It has failed to deliver on its promises. People are slipping in their living standards. They're living less, I mean, their life expectancy is literally shrinking, like the most basic metric of how society could do. So from a more macro perspective, that's where I sort of pin this phenomenon. But I also feel like, you know, Nick in this interview, he's very confident. He's like, young people agree with me. And I'm winning. I'm winning the argument. I don't see a lot of evidence for that. In fact, look, I don't know. This poll is who knows how accurate this is. Many people don't even know who Nick Fuentes is. But his favorability among the American population right now is 6%. Okay.

Yeah, I wouldn't look at it. If you put a random person's name in there, you're likely to get more than that. Maybe. And interestingly, though, actually, if you dig into the cross tabs, the place where he has is great a support, of course, young men. But if you break it down by racial groups, it's actually black people and then Latinos and then white people, only 3% favorability. So it's like 12%. And so, you know, I think the, I think the Israel criticism reads to a lot of people as like anti-establishment. and also reads if you don't listen to him all the time and you don't hear him saying or you think he's just joking when he says like, no, I am actually a racist and I actually don't want to be around black people and I, you know, cross the street when I see them and I don't want to live in their neighbors and I don't want my kids to bury them. Like if you aren't paying enough attention to hear all of those things, it may also read as like concern for equal rights and concern for humanity because that is one of the dominant frames with which we're.

people view Israel. So anyway, I thought that polling was interesting even as I take with the grain song. And this is not to dismiss him because I think a lot of the discourse right now about, oh, it's all bots and it's all inorganic and foreign influence and whatever. Like, there may be some of that, but he genuinely has a devoted following. You can see them, IRL. They turn up at events all the time. They watch his interviews religiously. They post his content. Like, this is clearly a fan base that exists. And it's is very influential and incredibly impactful with young, especially with young Republican politics.

To say it is a bot thing is ludicrous. It's literally not true. Look, he is a very popular person, okay? He's popular. Now, I think to say it's the most influential amongst young men is a little Twitter-brained, in my opinion. I think Ben Shapiro is actually far more influential. I wish that were not the case to be gay.

I don't agree at this. At this point, he's fallen off. He's fallen off. I think he was, but I think he's fallen off very hard. I totally disagree. Go look at his view counts. It's not just his view. He still has one of the most popular podcasts in the U.S.

is a top 10 political podcast. He has many more downloads, even on ours. I wish this were not the case. But also, I think his audience is older. See, I, look, there's not a ton of numbers. Listen, his numbers, I mean, Tim Poole was talking about this, like all conservative influencers outside of the Groper Lane and outside, like, Candice is doing very well, Tucker's doing well, Nick is doing very well.

But the pro-Israel Republican commentators, They're all falling off. Yeah, that's a YouTube thing. But if you look at the podcast charts, the Matt Walsh's of the world, the Charlie Kirk show was huge, you know, before this. It was a top 10 ban in war room. This is not just old people.

Like to say, to deny that they do not have a big audience, like really whitewashes that there is a whole, again, this is just Twitter brain. Like, there is an SEC-style Republican out there who listens to the Ben Shapiro show every day. But they're older. I mean, look at the polling with young Republicans on Israel. Yes, but that's not just Nick Fuentes.

That's just organic. I'm not saying it's only Nick Fuentes, but I think Ben has lost a lot of whatever purchase he had with young people, which I'm not convinced that he ever had a lot of purchase with young men or women. No, he was popular. But whatever purchase he had with young people, I think, has been severely eroded by the fact that Israel is so central to him. And that that has become, for the young right,

that has become a real litmus test. Look, I don't disagree, but again, I wouldn't take podcast via or Twitter virality exactly to the bank. Like, Megan Kelly is the number one conservative podcaster right now. Ben Shapiro is number, yeah, number two. Like, look, you could poke away. But again, podcast listeners tend to be older than YouTube or Twitter. It's really. Our data shows them, I mean, they're much more in our YouTube demographic. I don't know, okay, exactly. 100%. I would have to look. But I, again, I would not take it all the way as, like, This is the number one.

Now, look, let's give him credit. He has literally banned on most podcast platforms. So if he was able to compete fairly, maybe he would be as big. But I also think there's an element of people who live on Twitter too much, like take this much more to the bank. To be fair, that has a Republican elite problem, because a lot of Republican elites are only on Twitter. So it can be very influential at that level.

But there's still a lot of, like, normal frat dudes out there who are not supposedly necessarily into Nick Fuentes. Let's say they're listening to Tucker Carlson right now, who is one of the bigger, younger audiences. Candice is up here. Yeah, but they're all, they're like Nick Fuentes adjacent. You know what I mean? I mean, I think it is fair.

I'm just talking about in terms of... Candice? Yes, in terms of the Israel criticism. That is the dividing line, right? Candice is an Israel critic. Tucker is an Israel critic. Nick is an Israel critic, right? And so, yes, that they have more strength with younger audiences.

my point. Oh, okay. That's my point. Right. Right. And the Shapiro's and the Tim Pools and Stephen Crowders of the world have fallen off because in the same way this is a litmus test with Democrats overall, and I not even just young Democrats over, you know, it is, I think, a litmus test with young Republicans. And I do think that that is a big part of why Nick Fuentes has seen such a rise right now because he's taken the ideology that is a Senate and the The racialist ideologist is the Senate and the Republican Party and has been flirted with by all these people. And he's saying it outright. So that's number one. So he comes across as a truth teller. Number two, it has been disallowed to have any sort of Trump criticism. And so the only place you would get that previously was like, you know, outside of yourself.

And Emily, like there's a few other voices basically that exist on this channel alone. But outside of that, if you're going to get someone on the right, it's going to be Fuentes. And then to a lesser degree, Tucker. and Candace. Yeah. So that, there was like a market opening there as well. And then, yeah, I think Israel has just become such as an incredibly central dividing line. But in any case, to bring this back around to the interview with peers, I thought peers did a serviceable job.

I appreciate just the, you know, direct getting on the record of, yes, I'm a racist, yes, I'm a misogynist, yes, I like Hitler, like having all of those things said on the record now, okay, all right, we know what you are. We can deal with this. you're not doing this hide the ball thing anymore. I appreciate that. And to me, affirmatively affiliating yourself with the ethno-nationalist politics of Israel is very useful because we can all see what that means and where it leads. We don't have to imagine. We can see it right now in real time. Is that what you want? Is that what you want?

It's not what I want. A lot of Republican critics of Israel, a lot of them are horrified by their, they don't want to live in that society. That's what they, they don't want right to, I mean, literally, it is funny. You know, if you think, if it's like, what is the logical conclusion of ethno-nationalism? Like, rewind the clock here, go back 100 years. You basically saw the same level of, like, breaking out rapists or whatever down in the South. Yes. Because when you dehumanize people, this is the natural, that's the natural extension.

And especially when you have this, like, demographic project where it is an existential threat. If some other group starts having babies and their other rights, then it leads inevitably to apartheid, ethnic cleansing, violence, genocide, like that is the track that Israel has always been on since its founding because of its core ethno-nationalist Jewish supremacist ideology. And especially since they tried to like kick the people off their land and, you know, set up shop in a place that it came to head in the war. It came to head in the war and saying that is actually, again, it's one of the more revealing things of all of this. Just the final thing to tie up one. When I was saying about influence, what I meant is not the Israel thing.

Yeah. What I meant was, look, I could be deeply naive. I do not think the vast majority of young Republicans are overt. I think that race is not skin deep. I just don't think so. I mean, this is based on my own experience. Now, listen, there's a shitload of Groyper's out there. Don't get me wrong. They're 100%. And the irony culture, but in general. And they're very engaged. They're super engaged. Which gives them, make them punch above the way. That's what I meant about the Twitter thing where like, yeah, you can get a lot of interactions, but that doesn't mean. I mean, look, I knows how every time I meet somebody who watches the show, not on Twitter, barely politically engaged, they're like, yeah, I listen to the show, love the show, you know,

something like that, going about my daily business. That's kind of what I meant by Shapiro, Tucker, Candace, all these people, like, they have a much more, I think, normal audience. Now, to the extent that the normal audience exists and why Nick is appealing is Nick speaks very eloquently about being a young man, disaffected young white man in America. I sympathize with that. I talk about it here, too, right? Not just white part, but...

Disaffected, young Mexican-American man. Disaffected young men, he speaks very eloquently about what that's like. He speaks eloquently about what he thinks is like too feminized of a cult. Now he takes it pretty far. Not just far, he says women shouldn't have a right to vote. But he shouldn't have equal rights.

Look, he is very obviously, just like with Israel thing and taking it to full-blown anti-Semitism, he takes something with a real gripe, you know, in society and you take it full on. But he speaks, you know, he's capable when he wants to of speaking about that. He also, he's very witty, he's funny,

and he has some very scathing criticism of Trump. All the ingredients for a broad appeal are all there. This is just being honest, you know, from a purely like analytical perspective. And then the grand opening of Trump maga sycifancy in right wing media, unable to

critique Israel sycifancy from the Ben Shapiroz-Zillor created this storm. And the funny party is they are just like him. Like, the way they talk about Somalis is the way he talks about Jews. 100%. You're just, like, you can't,

you're not going to win. And he also talks about Somalis that way, by the way. Yeah. So they're agreement on that one. But my point is just that he's the logical conclusion in many ways of the way that they want to defend their own Israel politics. And he's saying, actually,

I'm the real representative of Israel here. I kind of agree with that. And so it's all just a question now of which way we don't want to go. So to the extent that this is an important interview at all, it's because there are people, I think a lot of right-winger who are grappling

with the what does it mean to be an anti-Israel Republican. What does it mean to be anti-Israel and not a leftist? And they have difficulty in their options of the Ben Shapiro or the Fuentes and all that. And it's like, you know,

you don't have to pick either. Maybe operationally you kind of do. And then similarly on the left, people are like, oh, can we make, you know, common cause or whatever? Because he's, what did he say? He's like, we want to work together or something. And it's like, you know, like, they don't want.

to work with you, right? Or at least they probably shouldn't. They shouldn't. If they want to win, you know, right? It's really a question about like political, effective coalitions and like what it means for this. And so, yeah, that's my final, like, tie bow here is I think Nick is a creation of the right-wing Zionist movement. I think broadly also it's a representation of why we need better spaces for people to actually talk about all of those issues, which we do here on this show all the time. There's a reason that the fringes become popular in moments like this. And it's because there's no mainstream legitimacy. And then you have a revolutionary like Trump gets elected on their backs and then basically becomes more, that makes you lose even less faith in the political

system. So I get it. And it's not an excuse at all. I guess it's more of a, it's a real leadership question, really, if you're a Republican especially, to be able to find some way to talk about this eloquently, and I haven't seen a single person really be able to do it now. It's kind of tragic, actually, because I think this is just going to keep rolling. Yep. Rolling. All right. Yep. Long-winded. We'll see everybody. It'll be a great counterpoint show for tomorrow. Thank you for bearing with my voice. I'm sure it was grading for some of you. Tried my best. We'll see you all on Thursday. I know he has a reputation, but it's going to catch up to him.

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