Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 1/30/26: Don Lemon ARRESTED, Tulsi Election Scheme, Nikki Minaj Pivots Right w/ Touré

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

The BP Friday team takes a look at Don Lemon's arrest, Trump being asked on the Melania red carpet about Tulsi Gabbard's 2020 investigations, Trump potentially sending ICE to Springfield, Ohio next, and Touré returns to break down Nikki Minaj's embrace of Donald Trump. Follow Touré: https://www.instagram.com/toureshow/   To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, sorry. I haven't really know. Is that like a thing you do normally? I haven't really noticed that. It's when she, as a viewer, I can confirm. It's when she locks in. Oh, really? I just did it accidentally.

Something I got to be on the lookout for then. I'm learning about myself today. Thank you, Griffin. A lot to look out for on this Friday show, guys. Should we start just with some quick breaking news that came right across our desk? Hop right into it. Yeah, this is a big one.

So Don Lemon has been. been arrested in L.A. And I just saw this come across Twitter. I don't know if you guys saw the specifics yet. He was charged with conspiracy to deprive rights. This is in the context of that church protest that he covered on his live stream. Saga and I talked about this when it happened. Go ahead.

Put that back up on the screen, Griffin, because I do want to read a bit from this. This is the statement from his lawyer, Abby Lull, who's very well known. He says, Don Lemon was taken into custody. by federal agents last night in LA where he was covering the Grammy Awards. Don has been a journalist for 30 years. His constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than what he has always done. The First Amendment exists to protect journalists whose role it is to shine light on the truth and hold those in power accountable. There is no more important time for people like Don to be doing this work. Instead of investigating the federal agents who killed two peaceful Minnesota protesters,

the Trump Justice Department is devoting its time, attention, and resources to this arrest, and that is the real indictment of Romdoing in this case. This unprecedented attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to distract attention from the many crises facing this administration will not stand. Don will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly in court. Worth noting here, in addition, that they attempted to charge him to get charges filed against him previously. And the magistrate judge that looked at the charges, you know, against Don Lemon and the charges against they attempted to charge eight of the protesters who also came into the building. the judge refused to sign off on the charges against Don Lemon because he did not feel that there was sufficient evidence presented. There were only three of the protesters who actually ended up being charged based on that judge's assessment.

So now they've decided to, you know, they impaneled a grand jury and they went through this process. And now you have these charges against Don Lemon. We covered this. Sagar and I had a spirited debate about the protest itself, although, you know, he, I think, more or less agreed with my assessment that Don Lemon, however you. feel about him was there as a journalist. He was not protesting. In fact, I watched a good bit of his coverage. He talked to people who were in the church. He talked to the pastor. He talked to the protesters. He asked them challenging questions. He asked challenging questions of everybody there. It's clear he has a perspective, as do we. That doesn't mean that he wasn't acting as a journalist

at that point. Journalists get tip-offs all the time of news events that are going to happen. That's what occurred in this case. That's why he was there. And everyone, I don't care, where you are in the political spectrum. If you care about the First Amendment, if you care about journalism, you have to stand up against this abuse because this is absolutely an outrageous attack on journalism. I'm in the like wild minority, I think, on the right now. And when it comes to the Don Lemon thing, because for the part of the reason that Crystal was saying just now is journalists do get tip-offs all the time, tips off, is it like attorneys general, tip-offs all of the time where you are being, you know something's going to happen. And then you can see how if you set

the precedent of saying because Don Lemon knew X, Y, and Z was going to take place in order to kind of follow it around, he is then an active participant. By the way, the government has informants who do that all the time. That's kind of another question. And if you start setting that precedent, it happened to a guy named Steve Baker from the Blaze on January 6th. And he had a hell of a fight to get out of that. And I just think that's, you know, as someone who's on the right and goes to protest and stuff sometimes, you just can realize how, or you realize how quickly. Like, I'm open to evidence that Don Lemon was more of a conspirator if it exists. I haven't seen it. I'm not convinced by any of it in his live stream. He says, I'm here as a journalist to document what's going on,

as goofy as Don Lemon is. He did make that pretty clear. And so if just, getting a tip and following it with a live stream makes you complicit in a protest. I just don't, honestly, don't think that's worth it. You can maybe make the, like, a ham sandwich prosecution where you have this, like, technical case against Don Lemon, like, he knew this was happening and because there's something in the law, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's just, it's absolutely not worth it because that's going to be turn around so fast, you know, on Nick Sorder or any of those other people who are bopping around, If there's a Democratic president. What do you think, Griff? I mean, listen, a huge Don Lemon fan here. I'm jealous for all the news. A Lemonhead is what he calls them. He's about to get a lot of new subscriptions.

We should get one of our hosts arrested, maybe, and get some new traffic to the show. Yeah, obviously, it's, I don't know what the justification is. Seems like, Emily, has there always been like this odd sort of Republican hang up over Don Lemon specifically? Like, did he do something? Like, what was his original sin? against Trump that he can't let go of. Other than that, he was, I mean, not part of it.

He was one of the most egregiously, like, just egregiously anti-Trump forces at CNN during Trump 1.0. He was doing those handoffs with Chris Cuomo at the height of the like, uh, CNN effort to do the apples and bananas thing. Like some people will try to tell you that this is a banana, but it's an apple. And they were pretending to be like neutral observers of the whole thing. And so I think that's where he got under everyone's skin most. But Lenin has an interesting history.

And that, Christley, you'll remember because I think you were at MSNBC at the time, during like OG BLM, he was a little more conservative. No, he did a lot of black respectability politics, like pull up your pants type of like model off, which is why. Send that viral. Yes, they would make it viral. Absolutely. Which is why when he got fired from CNN, and I think the reason he got fired if memory serves was, oh, remember those comments he made about Nikki Haley not being in her prime or whatever? Like, I think that was the precipitating event. There might have been some other things that came out.

Anyway, that was what facilitated his exit. And I was like, this is a perfect setup for him to Griff to the right, right? I mean, he has this, you know, that he could be the model minority. He got fired for these, like, for this crazy PC woke reason. and, you know, and there would have been a huge lane available for him, much easier for him to make it there than to succeed, you know, continuing in the liberal lane. To his credit, in my opinion, he has stayed in like a liberal, you know, political positioning. And I mean, I think his channel is doing fairly well. I think it's been relatively successful. I haven't checked in on like all the numbers or whatever. Anyway, all of this is really far afield from the fact that, But, you know, as Don Lemon is going to be fine, he's a wealthy guy, he's got a great lawyer. This, I think, is an outrageous assault on the First Amendment. The point isn't so much about Don Lemon, but it's about every other journalist, an independent

journalist in particular, who knows to consider whether covering this protest is going to land them in hot water with the administration. I mean, it's one more example of them using, whether it's the law or the university system or their secret police, the, you know, the mass thugs in the street, all of these mechanisms to crush any sort of dissent. Trump himself has basically come out and said that he thinks it should be illegal to criticize him. And that is the way they're acting here. So Don Lemon getting charged here, again, I don't care how you feel about Don Lemon. I don't care whether you agree with his politics or not. Should journalists be able to go and cover protests? Even controversial ones,

right? Even ones that may violate the law. For me, watching, his live stream, I actually got a lot out of it because, you know, it would be easy for me as a leftist to have a very stereotypical view of the congregants in that church. And instead, I had to actually deal with who they were as human beings. Some of them said to him, like, look, I actually might agree with some of the points of the protesters. I just really disagree with them doing this here and now in my church. So it made it more difficult for me to have a very flat and stereotypical view of what unfolded there. And so that is, you know, he added something important to the understanding of that day. Frankly, I think he gave, it was probably more beneficial to the right

than it was to the left to have those images and that video from inside the church while they were doing that action on that day. So in any case, you know, I'm not holding my breath for a lot of people to be principled like you, Emily, on the right. And, you know, all the people who five seconds ago were free speech bros. I am very doubtful that they're going to be out there defending the honor of Don Lemon, but they should be. They absolutely should be. And not just because there's a possibility that a future AOC is going to go after them in the same way, but just because of the principle of the thing. You either support these rights that were supposedly, you know, make our country so great, or you don't. And that's the bottom line for me. And this is the Steve Baker case. I'm sharing an

Associated Press article from the time. So Baker actually ended up pleading guilty. He said to avoid the shame of a trial and all of that. But this is the Capitol Police. He was actually just like, he went through, you can see here, he went through a broken door and, quote, joined the mob at the barricaded doors to the house chamber. He was documenting it the entire time. He said that the affidavit against him said that he, quote, antagonized police officers asking, are you going to use that gun on us, et cetera. But again, he was there covering it. And so it's one of those things where I think because that happened to someone on the right, there's this idea that it's more acceptable than to go after Don Lemon because the next Democratic administration won't learn not to go after

Steve Baker in the future. Like, you can go back and look at the videos that Baker was taking at the time I think it's all, but it was obviously an over-prosecution. But that's just not true. Like, it's, you can win in the court of public opinion and you can win in elections and you can make these issues front and center without, you know, taking the same low road. So yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. And it's, like the most basic kindergarten lessons either. Like, two wrongs don't make a right, guys. And guess what? When you normalize this type of behavior, you make it more likely, not less, that you're not like teaching anyone a lesson. The lesson you're teaching them is, oh, we will do anything. We will use any lever of power that we possibly can.

So maybe you need to think about doing the same. So when I was on the outside of the Capitol on January 6th, I had no idea what was about to happen. I followed everyone from the ellipse and was literally like talking to people, what are you doing, why are you here, where you're from, and get up to the Capitol and see this melee. And I was getting like, I wanted to go in the building because I didn't know if reporters were in the building. And yeah, someone very wise said, like, just don't go in. There are reporters in the building. Don't do it. And I am so honestly so grateful for that because of what happened to Baker, for example, because he's a conservative. He was, I think pretty clearly targeted because he was one of the conservatives there. Like the Capitol press corps, they're fine,

because they're there every day. People know who they are. That's fine. But I am honestly grateful for that. I'm sure my data was like swept up in all of the, you know, dragnet that they applied because they were geotagging stuff. But it's something that you actually have to think about now. And I think that sucks, whether you're Don Lemon or Steve Baker. Yeah. All right.

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Election. What was Tulsi Gabbard doing at an election? Center in Georgia today. She's working very hard on trying to keep the election safe. And she's done a very good job. And they, you know, they got into the votes. You can sign judge's order in Georgia. And you're going to see some interesting things happening. They've been trying to get there for a long time. We're going to start seeing some interesting things happening there. Now, Tulsi, it's been reported, has been tasked over the last few months with investigating this 2020 election. What do we make?

of all that. What do you think, Emily? I got to talk about this some yesterday. It's the Trump himself. I mean, just Tulsi Gabbard aside, Trump has been posting absolutely like bonkers stuff on truth social about 2020, like going, going deep into the kind of stuff that actually got Fox in such hot water, like Italian voting machines. I don't even know. Like the conspiracy theories are so rich that I have like there, you have to go. These were some new ones for me too. I was like, oh, I didn't even know that was something that people thought. Well, to that point, before, not to interrupt you, I would just to that point, ABC has reported where some of these election conspiracies might be coming from. And apparently, there's someone known as the heiress that is dropping some of these conspiracy theories over.

Late Wednesday night, the president reposted to his social media platform a claim that Italian military satellites had been used to hack into U.S. voting machines to flip votes from Trump to Joe. Biden, as documented in a 2021 book betrayal, The Final Act of the Trump Show, the conspiracy theory was brought to the White House by a woman who went by several aliases, including the heiress, and was known at the Pentagon for her claim ties to Somali pirates. So now we like the Somalis, huh? Yes, they're back in a big way. I told you guys, don't sell on Somalis. She passed her material off to a National Security Council official at a supermarket parking lot. in Arlington. So the heiress is now in charge.

I remember there was some woman who was like, I think, sending emails to Tucker Carlson who said she was like a spirit ghost or something like that that was pushing some of the last election conspiracies the first time around. If memory serves, there was something like that that was going on. Yeah, I mean, I will say, first of all, like Fulton County in 2020 was an absolute mess. The New York Times described what happened on election night as like a quote, meltdown. in Fulton County at the time, and they were a total disaster. Apparently, my understanding of this is that they're looking for these, quote, zero tapes.

I guess the search warrant, according to, I think, Clito Mitchell's conservative attorney has been involved in this stuff. That's what part of the search warrant was for, and that's recording early votes. And so there's also, let me pull up this. Yeah, so Fulton County, this is a headline in the Federalist from December, quote, we don't dispute 315,000 votes lacking poll worker signatures were counted in 2020. So they might be looking for something like that. I haven't gone deep into it personally. But because even if you like, so if you, if you, if you say Georgia had significant errors.

So one thing that did happen is there were more votes counted than the margin. There were more votes counted that were from addresses outside of counties. Like people had moved that then the margin of victory for Biden and Georgia in 2020. but those are legitimate votes, meaning like they're real people. It wasn't like fake people. It was just that they hadn't registered properly. So, but even if you give Georgia in the Biden column, he, like, it's a, it's that you still have to like make up in other states too. So I don't think people have confidence that a gabbered probe into Fulton County is going to, you know, bear fruit. And I hate the, I hate the 2020 election stuff because Ben Sass and I know people on the right hate Ben Sass. but he put it really well in a statement after January 6th, which is that Trump had been, quote, playing with fire by, and that's maybe even an understatement, by flirting with the Sydney Powell stuff,

promoting the Sydney Powell stuff and all of that, because you're just asking, you're telling people that an election was stolen outright from under their noses. So, of course, people are going to storm the Capitol. Like, that's what you're asking for. when you are so reckless with what you're as the president of the United States, putting out into the public domain. Yeah. I mean, in terms of Georgia, right, every election, because they are run by localities, there are going to be some places where things do not go smoothly. Okay? This is the reality of democracy in America. Georgia at the time, and to this day, was run by a Republican governor, Republican secretary of state. There was a recount in Georgia, in Georgia.

Guess what? It all turned out fine. There were no problems there that had, you know, that came anywhere close to the margin by which Trump lost. You'll recall he had that infamous phone call with Rod Raffinsberg. Find me 11,000 votes. Okay. So there's that. You had Rudy Giuliani who went out and defamed some of these election workers who are just like, I mean, I'm sure I don't know. I know the ladies who work my polling place, right? These are usually like elderly women who volunteer their time. because they believe in the civic good, and he went out there and attacked them and made them like they were some, you know, great villains and fraudsters. They won, I think, $186 million defamation claim against him. There were, of course, so many lawsuits that Sagar and I covered extensively at the time from the Trump administration trying to push their claims in court. Not a single one of them was found to have any veracity. I hate that I'm even having to say this at this point. Like, really, people, can we please move the fuck on? But the most optimistic or the most hopeful take on what is going on here is that, you know, this is Tulsi Gabbard who's been sidelined trying to get back into Trump's

good graces by doing some bullshit. And it was the U.S. attorney in Missouri who signed off on this, who apparently has been given this charge to like, you know, go back and relitigate the 2020 election everywhere and is, you know, a partisan lackey there in Missouri. So in any case, The most optimistic thing is that this is a stupid Trump boondoggle that is not really going to impact much of anything. And it's just about Tulsi trying to get back in his good graces. The more concerning analysis, which everybody has to be worried about, given the fact that this man already has a track record of trying to steal an election, given that this man just said that he regrets not having the National Guard sees the ballot boxes, is that this is an attempt to take control of. state and county election machinery. This is a test run for how much can we get away with, how much sort of like, you know, smoke and mirrors and problems can we cause leading up to 2026 and ultimately

2008. In 2026, John Ossoff is the most endangered Democrat running. I think he's got a good shot of, you know, winning reelection if things are free and fair, but apparently that's a big if. There is a Georgia election law that was passed in the wake of 2020 that allows Republicans in the state to take control. It was passed through a Republican legislature to take control of county election boards if there are some sort of like investigations or some claims of malfeasance and fraud that are made. So there's an Atlanta Journal-Constitution piece out that's arguing that this is all about trying to seize control of the Fulton County election board by Trump loyalists.

And God only knows what that could mean. So again, Georgia being a key state and that being a key Senate race coming up, those are the things. that people should be very, very concerned about as they watch this all unfold. To that point, Crystal, we've got from the Washington Street Journal here, Wall Street Journal, sorry. Gabbard has consulted with others in the intelligence community about claims of foreign interference in the 2020 election, the officials said, though she hasn't provided the public with new evidence of it. She's expected to repair a report on her work, the people said.

The administration has discussed executive orders on voting ahead of the midterm elections, two of the officials said. So yes, it seems to be not only a sort of humiliation tour for Tulsi, but a test run for all that good stuff coming up in the future. Emily, how far do you think they'll go for the midterms as opposed to a 2028? Well, yeah, I mean, so this is why, you know, I can't dismiss what Crystal is saying about potential interference coming up, like what this could grow into because Trump is. himself a wild card. And let me just read here from Margo Cleveland, who's a conservative attorney, who's followed the Georgia stuff very, very closely. She wrote, in 2020, Joe Biden won the Georgia general election by 11,779 votes out of nearly 5 million ballots cast. Following the election,

Trump filed suit in a Fulton County state court, arguing approximately 35,000 Georgians may have illegally voted in a county in which they did not reside, goes on to then say after the November 2020 election, Mark Davis, the president of Data Productions, Inc., and an expert in voter data analytics and residency issues pulled from the U.S. Postal Service's National Change of Address Database and cross-reference that information with records from the Georgia Secretary of State's office. His analysis showed that nearly 35,000 Georgia voters who had moved from one Georgia County to another voted in the 2020 general election in the county from which they have moved. So all that is to say, there's a, there's a world in which the Fulton County probe is restricted to

this type of like clerical question about what happened and where, you know, they may have aired. It's a lot for the federal government to get involved and rate the offices and all of that. So maybe, maybe you have a totally responsible targeted investigation. But I don't think that's, if I'm looking at how Donald Trump reacted in 2020 to the election with the Sydney Powellism and all of that. And by the way, Ryan and I talked about this. Maduro, Trump has since said that they're not talking to Maduro about potential dominion voting machine stuff. But some of this goes directly back to Maduro. And it's possible that they could be. I mean, Trump has said no. But it's possible that some of this is coming from information that they're trying to follow,

like foreign interference. Is it because they've been talking to Maduro about certain things. Like there was a funny story when I was on the floor of the RNC, actually the media area of the RNC in 2024. Someone came up to Rudy Giuliani and introduced themselves and he could not like process the information for whatever reason. And they said they were from Pennsylvania. And he was like, I was just overhearing this. And he was like, oh, Venezuela, you guys are responsible for all the voting. And the guy was like, Pennsylvania. And he was like, yes, Venezuela. Anyway, so now they have Maduro.

They have to be dealt with. Yeah. I thought about the Maduro thing, too. I mean, the fact that Tulsi is involved is a signal that it's not going to be some responsible, narrow look at potential clerical issues from the 2020. I mean, everything argues against that. But Tulsi's involvement, given that she's the director of national intelligence tells you that they are. are exploring some sort of bonkers, Venezuela, Italian, Chinese, whatever, conspiracy theory,

which again, as Griffin started the segment by saying, Trump is posting, or maybe you said it, Emily, Trump is posting these insane things on true social right now. So we know where his mind is at and what he's looking to get out of this. And this is part of the problem with like the Trump era in general is that the Dominion voting situation in Venezuela, like it is legitimate, like, why? the story of the voting machines is just like it's so stupid and ridiculous. The story of Fulton County in 2020, it's so stupid and ridiculous. But then it gets built into this crazy, like, conspiracy theory about foreign actors and a concerted effort to steal the election from Donald Trump with, you know, counting mismatched county residences and all of that. And you just put the picture together in the way that Trump talks about it or Sidney Powell was talking. talking about it and you're like, holy smokes. But because there are these like origin stories that if you can pull up the thread, you're like, why are we doing? Because like, we did so many stupid things. It's, it makes it more powerful with people who want to believe that there was some

grand conspiracy to have people in Georgia, like, vote where they shouldn't be because they moved six months ago or something like that. So, not great. The 2020 stuff is going to look cute when we go to 2028 and every, you know, every county clerk is on podcast. You know, every county clerk is on Mali Market betting for the election. That's a really good point. That's a really good fucking point. Every election is going to be the most trusted election of all time compared to 2028.

So get excited for that, everybody. So we want to move on to a little more ice stuff. So Trump was asked about Springfield, Ohio. Now, Springfield, Ohio, for those you don't remember, was the eating the cats and dogs topic during the 2024 election. J.D. Vance announcing directional truth as sort of a strategy for the Trump administration that I thought was quite honest. But now Trump was asked if ICE is going to be going into Springfield to, I guess, start deporting the Haitian population that lives there. Let's take a listen.

Springfield is not a happy place with what they did. I love Springfield, Ohio. I won Springfield, Ohio. But during the Biden administration, they did great damage to Springfield. So we've got that here. And before we react to that, I also wanted to pull up. The House Democrats have released a new set of demands for what they want DHS to change. And if they're going to fund them and the government, some of the bullet points.

list here if you can't see it on screen. Ensure ICE and CBP immediately leave Minneapolis and stop terrorizing citizens and arrest without judicial warrants. Ensure full and pendant transparent investigations into DHS-related shootings and detention and deportation of U.S. citizens. What a big ask. And the anonymity of federal agents. Ensure robust minimum standards at detention facilities. Those are the main ones here. What are we to expect with what seems to be the upcoming Springfield raid? Well, I think it's worth noting, you know, most of, most of the migrants in Springfield, Ohio are Haitian. Most of them had temporary protected status, although there'd be a variety of different, you know, time periods when people move there, et cetera. And, you know,

the legal framework would be different for different people, but that is the vast majority. There was just an appeals court ruling saying that when Christy Noam ended temporary protected status for Venezuelans and for Haitians, that that was done unlawfully. However, that policy may still be enforced while those appeals play out. So this was an appeals court ruling. So you're already at sort of like a higher level. I suspect this will ultimately go to the Supreme Court. But I believe their status, if you, you know, by that Noam did this lawfully, and something

like February 3rd. And that's why the expectation is that they're going to move in quickly to spring field, Ohio, to make good on what were effectively their like campaign threats against this migrant population. And I, you know, fully expect, given how slow and impotent the courts have been in many cases and how much this administration just routinely, routinely flouts whatever the court's rule, that, you know, this is a very real possibility that they begin sweeping people up and trying to deport them while this continues to make its way through the court process. So the TPS ruling is really important here, and that's why Trump even remembers probably the name, Springfield, Ohio. It's almost like that question. I don't know who asked that question, but that sounds like one of those questions. People sometimes like, someone's like, hey, you should ask about Springfield. Like someone in the admin is like, hey, you should ask about Springfield. But Springfield's local press is covering this. Like here's a headline from the Springfield News Sun that says Fear Grip Springfield's Haitians on the

of losing legal status to live, working in the city that they love. And people probably remember this was kind of vaulted into the public's attention by a New York Times story originally. That was fairly nuanced about how this relatively small community of Springfield had been absolutely swamped with a influx. I think it was like a tantamount for like, or it was equivalent to like 25% of the population of Springfield had come in a really short period of time. There was a school bus accident where people were killed, Haitian, driver and the community was super, super divided over what had happened. And also at the same time, you had business owners being like, the Haitians are great workers. They're filling these jobs.

And it was, you know, that's what originally had everybody talking about Springfield, Ohio. And then Rufo went in and there was like a cat being barbecued 10 miles away. Something like that is that, am I remembering correctly? It was like, yeah, it was. But it wasn't a cat. It wasn't a cat, but he claimed it was. And then there was like a picture of someone holding a goose. I mean, it was just the... Oh, yeah, the goose. That's an average day for...

That's an average RFK Jr. story. I thought we liked that stuff. I mean, but the bottom line is the community had genuinely been like... There was a serious problem in Springfield, Ohio. I think that is... It's fair to say the community was divided over it. There was a huge... Anytime you have a huge influx of people who are coming in a short period of time,

not native speakers. like, it's just going to be a tough process. And Springfield was undergoing that, obviously. And this, this TPS thing is super interesting because a lot of the Haitians were coming from Chile or Argentina or Brazil because after 2010, they'd already moved out of Haiti. Like, there was mass displacement after 2010. And under normal circumstances, Cubans, Haitians, Venezuelans had pretty good asylum claims and refugee claims when they were cross-up. into the U.S., but in the Biden administration, you had a lot of economic migrants. Like, I talked to Haitians who had spent months in the streets in Rainosa, like a cartel town because they were so desperate to come into the U.S. that they were literally like camping outside, picking up odd jobs, and people around town were like, those Haitians are such hard workers. And the reason is that they wanted to come into the U.S. And so that created these new

pathways. And it's just going to suck because there's people, like, you think about Cubans and Venezuelans that people, another kid I met, he had showed me his scar. He was Cuban from being beat during the July 11th protest. That's what he said happened. And that's when he left Cuba. And it's like, there are people with legitimate asylum claims who are going to be kicked out of the country, probably. Well, and there's also, like, yeah. I mean, there's also, and no one has, done a better job of explaining this than our own Ryan Graham, there's also the fact that, like, in all three of those instances, Haiti, Cuba and Venezuela, a good part of the reason why those countries are so fucked up is because of us. Yeah, that's true. You know, Haiti, we have never

stopped messing around with their politics and screwing them. I mean, from the founding, from the original slave revolt through to the present day, we've never stopped screwing them over. So it's like, okay, if you don't want refugees to come to our country, why don't you stop creating refugee crises that force people to leave? Like, most people want to stay in their home country. They're not excited about moving to, you know, like America's a great country, but people like to stay where they're from. It's easier. Their family's there. Like, they do know the culture. They don't get attacked by a president who's racist and hateful from the stage and have all of this shit happen to them. So, I mean, that's the thing that I get so disgusted with and, you know, that you see,

you know, now we're taking over Venezuela and it's like, okay, and if this doesn't work out, you're going to have another flood of Venezuela migrants that you're all going to fucking demonize and you're going to forget that 10 seconds ago, you know, we were the ones causing that problem. So the whole thing just utterly discussed me from the lies and the blatant racism around it to the, you know, complete erasure and ignorance around our country's own repeated interventions there that help to create the chaos that these people are fleeing because Haiti has become, I mean, it is, you know, there are massive, massive problems and violence and poverty and all of that. So in any case, you know, I think probably the, you know, the assumption that they're going into Springfield next is correct.

And Griffin, let's, before Toray jumps in here, let's just real quick play the one where Trump says that they're not backing down whatever whatsoever in terms of Minneapolis. So we can just react to that quickly as well. We want to keep our country safe. We'll do whatever we can to keep our country safe. So are you going back? No, no, not at all. Not at all. Not at all.

And that dovetails with, he just posted on true social some like unhinged greed about Alex Pretty being an insurrectionist and blah, blah, blah. So, you know, I think there was a moment of Susie Wiles or Trump himself recognizing Democrats had a bit of leverage when it came to the government funding. Democrats have all but already given up that leverage. And so now Trump can just go back to like, no, it's. cell systems go. We're not doing anything different. You know, it's, we're going to continue in this in the same direction. We're not changing course whatsoever. Yeah. And I notice from those demands, like it's like the going back to the House Democrat demands, they're basically saying, please follow the rules. But they're way past that. Like,

the base wants you to say, we're going to start prosecuting you guys. Like, that's what's got to be the next thing. It has to be funding. Like, you have to deal with the funding because. Yeah, I mean, one of the demands is literally don't deport U.S. citizens, but that's already illegal. Like, how are we negotiating over this? Or even the judicial warrant thing. It's like that's already a violation of the Fourth Amendment. So what are we doing here? But, you know, I mean, they're whatever. So I think I said from the beginning, I thought that the posture and the switching of Greg Bevino out, Tom Homan in. Tom Homan is no softie or sweetheart either. He architected the child's uprored. policy during the original Trump administration, that this would be more for show. That doesn't mean that the reality on the ground and maybe Minneapolis might not change because they realize they're getting some court decisions against them. Maybe they go to a different place. Maybe it's Springfield, Ohio. The overall thrust is baked in. I mean, I think this is a core,

like, part and parcel of what this administration is up to, not only with regard to immigration, but with regard to this sort of like show of force against their, and warfare that they see it as like warfare being waged against their political opponents. Just what's up on the screen right now is this was, I was at like a migrant detention, not detention, a migrant like nonprofit place. It was like a Catholic nonprofit in Texas. And what they're showing on the screen, these Haitian men who haven't lived in Haiti for a long time since like 2010 are showing their asylum papers. And they were years and years into the future. And so that's just, this is just to say like three years, I think in some of these

cases, one of them might have had a five-year court date into the future. And all that is just to say, like, there was a real expectation that people could build lives here. And here's, that's why, you know, there are a lot of people who don't, communities were just thrust into such weird positions. Here's a group of Haitians in Rhinosa. People can go watch this if they want. But it's people saying, they were trying to explain in English, like, why they were sleeping outside. I think that was the question. And at one point, it was clear that they were struggling to come up with the words. And I said, oh, the American dream. And then they all lit up. And they were like, yes, the American dream. And so this is where you're going to see communities like Springfield, once again, be

absolutely, like, divided and chaotic because a lot of people have had great Haitian workers in their communities. And they have been there for a very, very long time now, like several years. And other people are going to say, get them all out. And it's just going to be, yeah, it's about to get. It's not, it's not de-escalating. It's about to get worse. Well, one last note with regard to that, Emily, because that's a genuine problem, you know, that there was such a backlog in the system. So people could come in and whether their asylum claim was legit or not, they could claim asylum and then have the confidence that's going to take years before I ever, this ever gets really worked out. By that time, I'm established. I've made some money and been able to send it, whatever. the one big beautiful bill that Sir flooded ice with ungodly amounts of money, making it the best-funded law enforcement agency in history, making an immigration enforcement budget larger than the military budgets of every country except our own and China. Okay, that bill explicitly limits the number of immigration judges that are allowed to exist. So if your goal is to like speed up that process and make that streamline and run more efficiently, that's something I'm for.

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and start understanding what's underneath, listen to the mailroom on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. Well, speaking of legal status, that leads us nicely to Nikki Minaj and her new Trump Gold Card, which will lead us also nicely to our guest. So, Tori,

Nikki Minaj has been doing this whole MAGA Maga tour. She did the whole Erica Kirk moment. She now just had like a big Trump moment. He gave her the gold card to settle her immigration status. I think a lot of people's assumption is that her husband and her brother are in some legal trouble. And perhaps this is like an attempt to get in his good graces for a possible pardon or something of that nature. What is your assessment here? Does this maga turn from Nikki Conn? out of nowhere to you? Or does this seem like something that makes sense given the way that she's positioned herself? The turn does come out of nowhere, except that we know that she's a long-term green card holder who clearly wanted to change that status and saw and knew that in this administration, you can kiss the ring and get almost anything. So we get this bizarre split screen of poorer immigrants are running for their lives and getting deported and beaten and shot in the streets while a rich immigrant gets a pathway to citizenship.

In an administration where you can be at the courthouse going through the proper steps and they arrest you and detain you. But she has had a green card and now she just gets a pathway. I don't believe that citizenship should be sold as a luxury good, especially as a personal choice of the leader that he happens to like you. You have kissed the ring. You have shown sufficient deference to his political perspective. So you get to be a citizen.

I think becoming an American citizen should be much more egalitarian, should be much more of a broader opportunity for a widespread of Americans, widespread of non-Americans, who don't necessarily have to suggest that they love personally the president to get a citizenship. Well, I'd like to stop you right there because there are questions if this gold card is even real

as reporting from the New York Times. This actually may not have conferred any legal status for her. Trump administration officials have said it's more of a token, like it was more of like just kind of like a symbolic gift. It's like a souvenir. And actually a souvenir

and does not actually confer any legal status. I hope that's true. The gold card costs one million. dollars and an additional 15 grand for a processing fee on top of that. And so Nikki, yes, has had some sort of legal status. She's not like a full citizen and she remains not a full citizen after this token green card. Yeah, we also have a video I want you to react to here, Touré, to show just a little bit of flavor of the meeting here. Hello guys, I'm with my favorite president, the best president of all time.

And I'm with the queen of rap. Now, is she still the queen of rap? No, no, not at all. I mean, you know, part of the thing is that a large portion of her fans are black and brown. A large portion of them are LGBTQ, especially. trans. She has been a trans and gay icon for a while. So, you know, we keep talking about how she has betrayed a large swath of her fan base by doing this. And we don't really, I don't believe that she actually agrees with any of the policies of the Trump administration. I don't think she knows

any of the policies. We do know there are people who are like attracted to the personality of Trump. And I guess, you know, you can get to your political side, whatever way you want. But I don't believe she actually knows or cares about any political ideal at all. Well, this is what I want to ask about because she did during, people probably remember this because, I mean, honestly, it was hilarious. During COVID, she had this infamous post on X where she said, or Twitter at the time. My cousin in Trinidad won't get the vaccine because his friend got it and became impotent. His testicles became swollen. His friend was weeks away from getting married.

Now the girl called off the weddings. I just pray on it. Make sure you're comfortable with your decision. bullied. And there was this like, oh, Zindreetweets. Oh, my God. There was, there was this like sort of, you saw flashes of this from Nikki Minaj. She says that, or she's, it seems like, uh, her claim, the charitable claim is that watching the plight of Nigerian Christians and seeing Trump's reaction to that has been part of what motivated here, here. But I also wanted to bring up the Amber Rose of it all because. Boy, please do. Yeah. So this is Amber Rose. It was on a

Sneakow stream, apparently, and said that she's the one who introduced Nikki Minaj to Alex Brzewitz, the Trump appointee, or not appointee, a Trump advisor outside of the administration, technically, I think, who then connected Nikki Minaj to Donald Trump. And it does seem like there's this interesting thing happening to Ray. Maybe it's, it started happening after Butler. I don't know, where there's, there is like this rap community interest in Trump. Maybe that's, after Butler? Tell us how Amber Rose fits into all of this. I mean, I don't know. This is more of the loving Trump as a personality. I don't believe I don't believe either of them could talk about any Trump policy or any Trump philosophy or any

idea of Trump. I don't believe that they interact with the political spectrum in the way that we do as far as ideas. I think they hover over it as far as personality. as far as he seems like a cool, strong man, so then he must be the guy for the job. Tori, also talk, so, I mean, Trump was a fixture in, like, hip-hop songs before he was a political figure, right? And there is in mainstream hip-hop, there is this, like, veneration of money and power and wealth and capitalism. So there is, you know, I don't know if this necessarily applies with Nikki. So there is a thing there that does make a sort of sense because his whole brand is being the unvarnished, brash, capitalist billionaire boss man. And with Nikki specifically, I was watching the BitFrudy podcast with Matt Bernstein.

I don't know if you know him or watch him, but he's a gay guy and he did a breakdown with, I can't remember who his guest was, about Nikki's pivot. And they were also pointing to the fact that she has been very jealous of the other women who have come up in the rap game and has been like at times very hostile towards them. And so for them it was yes. And Megan the Stallion and, you know, I don't know if there are others as well. But it's like rather than having this sort of like, you know, feminist view of I help to be the trailblazer here. and I'm so glad to see these other women follow my footsteps. Instead, it's like, fuck y'all bitches, like, this is my domain. So I wonder if you see any connection there, too, with it, you know,

not being that surprising that she would have this right-wing turn, you know, at a time when the movement is explicitly, the right-wing movement is explicitly sort of like anti-feminist, certainly anti-queer, et cetera. I mean, she is, as you note, a sort of pivotal figure in modern hip-hop history in that she is the one who sort of emerges and reminds the labels and the industry that women can be commercially successful. And the people come after her as far as, as Cardi, who Emily mentioned, and Megan and Glorilla, we're actually having a huge moment for a lot of black female rappers.

There's also Lotto, there's also Soidi, there's a lot of sexy red, somebody will say. There's a lot of black female rappers at this moment. It's a huge moment for that demographic. And who don't have to be attached to a larger male artist for their success. They are the thing on their own. Yeah, yeah. So it's an interesting moment for that. You know, yes, she has not been welcoming to the others.

She has been super competitive and trying to eat up all the space. I think she's part of this sliver. It's been like 16, 17, 18 percent of black people who are willing to, vote for Trump, but that's about the percentage that had been willing to go Republican for a long time. It's like three, four percent more, but like it's not a statistically massive difference. There was this sort of media drumbeat about black men's especially going over to the right. It happened in a very, very small statistically insignificant amount. But there is a small group of black people who are willing to go over there.

And Nikki is one of them. I mean, like, I just, you know, I grew up in a time when Republicans could articulate their position and I disagreed with them, but they had an idea. When they talked about, you know, limited government and taxation, this group is just reactionary. They're just evil. They're just hateful toward people who are not them. So the appeal from a Nikki Minaj, I don't understand except a personal

transactional, I will get you a citizenship or maybe an honorary citizenship. Little Wayne has who's down young money. He's talked about. Is it citizenship or as far as I know? Like, do you know much about her husband or her brother, like to her family? Like, they're experiencing some level of criminal charges or what have you. Could the pardon be the real thing here? I mean, it could. You know, I mean, that also has been controlled under Trump as this sort of personal thing that he gives to you if he likes you. Not if he believes in your case and believes from a jurisprudential perspective that you deserve

relief, but if he likes you and he personally likes your story. So yeah, I mean, perhaps we'll see. Let if she kisses the ring sufficiently, then her husband, who has, you know, horrific charges from many years ago, if he will get, you know, magically pardoned or expung. you know, it's a pay-for-play sort of system. And she didn't even have to pay to get into it. It seems that she got this for free. Like, what are we doing here?

When you're talking about how it's a lot of this vibe-based, I was thinking of how in Hollywood for a long time, there was a sort of vibe-based, I don't know if conformity is the right word. Maybe it is the right word, where it was like, okay, Obama, we're backing Obama, or we're backing John Kerry and, like, you keep going back. But it's interesting to me that it's kind of, flipped in a sense where you have now people vibe base going to Trump. And I don't think that ever

will translate into another Republican. I feel like that's just a Trump phenomenon. It's not going to go to J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio. Like, you're not going to see the Nikki Menages. I don't know, maybe you disagree to right, like going, because it to me, it just speaks to Trump having this like countercultural, whatever we think of, of whether it's legitimate or not. He has this like countercultural reputation as like someone who undermines the system. he's going to train the swamp, et cetera. And that's never going to transfer, like, it's never going to transfer to another Republican.

Yeah, I largely agree with that. I think of Trump as an extremely unintelligent person, as in there's a very small ability to analyze and integrate new information. There's a very small amount of information in his memory. Like there's no subject to we say he is a national or a global expert on this subject. But he is a national or a global expert on this subject. But he is. an interpersonal genius as far as getting a certain kind of person to like him.

He can speak to their fears. He can motivate them and inspire them to follow him. It works on a certain swath of America. It's that solid 35% of America that sticks with him no matter what. But he is that. And I think you see that on the campaign trail much more than in the Oval Office. But, like, he does have a genius for getting on the mic and getting a certain sort of person, mostly male, mostly poor, but also rich, mostly white to really, really like him and to think he's the guy.

So there is an interpersonal genius that works for him. But I think in any other area of intelligence, he is completely bereft. I mean, I also see, like, Emily put up that infamous COVID tweet where, of course, it's most like liberals and people left of center that are like what the fuck is wrong with you what is this like what are you talking about and then you know you have also and you could speak to this much more so than I could this is someone who's not at the top of her career right and so there's you know that as well where it's sort of like grasping for relevance then you have filtered into that this very variety basket of self-interested reasons why you want to take this track and

And so to me, you know, I've seen a lot, like Joe Rogan comes to mind also as someone who felt like really demonized over things he said around COVID and then it's like, I'm just a right winger now. Right. And, you know, I've seen other people who basically made that similar turn of, you know, I feel attacked by the left. Therefore, I'm going to flip all of my politics to the right. I don't know that we ever really knew that much about Nikki's politics to start with that like to your point, I don't think she had like a lot of ideological grounding to. you're really upend to begin with. But it seems to me when you put all of those pieces together, I feel attacked by the left. I am sort of grasping for relevance. I have these basket of legal and immigration problems I want dealt with. I like being the center of attention and on the stage, etc. That it kind of like you can see how she ends up traveling this trajectory.

One thing about hip hop in general is you are supposed to get on the mic and tell us about who you are and tell us about where you're from. And so we should walk away feeling like we know you and what your world is all about. In rock and roll and R&B, you may or may not ever know what the person is really about. And a lot of the songs are fictional. When somebody says, I love you,

in R&B or rock and roll, like they're talking to a fictional you. In hip hop, if somebody says, I love you, they are talking to a specific person. Or I hate you. They're talking to a specific person. Nikki in particular has always bothered me because she never talks about herself.

I listen to Nikki's music. I don't know anything about her. She's always playing a character. And sometimes it's the Harjuku Barbie sort of character. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. She doesn't have... Well, she does she has like a variety of alter egos, right? Yeah, she has different characters

that she plays over time. And, like, Beyonce has different eras, but I feel like they are rooted in who she is. Nikki, I feel like she's an actor and she's a theater kid who she's doing different roles. So I'm like, this is the new chapter of Nikki, which is Maga Barbie, as opposed to previously she was Harajuku Barbie. None of it is real. It's not a genuine desire to relate to Trump or Trumpism. It's just this is the new character that is valuable.

It gets her attention. It gets her potentially possibly citizenship. possibly a pardon for, you know, her husband. And so there's, there's value in it, right? She's not really making records at this point that are charting, that are hitting the culture. But here's a way to get everybody to look at you, which is similar to what Kanye did. And I'm sure Kanye is like, well, at least I did it at the beginning of Trump and not near the, you know, near the end or the middle. I mean, like, I don't know how you can look at, you know, Renee and Alex and say, yeah, I still want to be on

that team. Like, I join that team now. Like, their stock is incredibly low. The approval rating is incredibly low. Surely, they are moving toward the end. So you're joining the party now? Like, I don't understand that.

Yeah. And now, to the, to the, to the Barb's point, is there going to be a Barb's backlash? Now, I'm not so sure, because as you, you know, you mentioned yourself on this episode, She has a lot of gay fans, and I know a lot of, you know, gay guys that stay in a toxic woman. They say, you know what?

You're being toxic. Go off, girl, you know? Like, some people like that. Now, so will she have a backlash in the barbs, or will the barbs stand valiantly with her? I think she has already seen a significant barb backlash, if I recall, she quit Instagram over this. Not long ago that people started attacking her online over this Maga turn, and she quit Instagram because she couldn't handle the comment flow, and she didn't want that to become part of the story. So I do think that the barbs are definitely already responding in an aggressive way.

And I think that the toxicity point you mentioned, there's a fun way for someone to be toxic. and there's a truly virulent way for someone to be toxic. And somebody sort of, you know, a woman who's sort of domineering and humiliating is a good toxic. And like a woman who's like MAGA is like, no, that's not fun toxic. That's just bad toxic. That's different flavors of toxic. Lastly, Toray, wanted to get your reaction to the big news that broke this morning that Don Lemon's been arrested in L.A. over his coverage of this church protest.

You know Don, don't you? I do, I do. I texted with him about this issue and supported him on this is what 60 Minutes used to do, that recovery out of that church situation. That's what 60 Minutes used to do. That's real journalism. The notion that he was leading a mob into a church is completely backwards. He was covering a situation that was happening on the ground. This is a politically motivated arrest meant to silence people like us. And the conversation keeps going to whether or not they could or should have protested in the church. Don was not protesting in the church. He was media in the church and generally we protect that. This whole story, the whole arrest is protecting against the notion of we have a pastor, a Christian pastor who is in ice. So all of this is protecting that man. And if we cannot talk about the hypocrisy of.

of a Christian pastor of being in ICE on Sunday talking about love thy neighbor, help the stranger. Would Jesus have joined ICE? Of course not. Like Jesus was flipping the tables. He put God over the state and being in ice reverses every Christian principle. So what those protesters were doing was righteous in calling attention to his hypocrisy as a Christian. And the right and the administration has tried to turn this around about, you can't. protest inside a church, that is not the crux of this issue at all. Yeah, I would also note they haven't treated churches as sort of like sanctified spaces because they've done immigration raids and, you know, explicitly overturned previous policy

to do immigration raids during church services as well. We are not investigating the man who shot Renee, the man who shot Alex, but we are investigating Don Lemon, a journalist with a microphone who interviewed people on the scene of an ongoing story. Yeah. Well, and anyone can watch the live stream. You know, it's, I believe, still posted on his channel. If you are concerned that he was taking part of the probe, that he was leading them into the building, that he was serving, you know, just as an activist and not as a journalist. Like, you can go watch it for yourself and make your own determinations because it actually was quite helpful having him there and interviewing the.

people that were there and getting, you know, all of their perspectives, including the pastor, who was there, not the ice pastor, a different pastor, who was there leading services and obviously was very upset by the protest. Toray, tell people where they can find you and support all of your great work. All over the place, I'm on TikTok at Toray show. I'm on YouTube. Have you been, you noticed any censorship over at TikTok last week? You had problems? I haven't. There was a couple days when they told us not to post because the app was not working. I do see an influx in these text-only posts that are like pro-ice and sort of mocking liberals and that sort of thing. I haven't seen that, although, you know, somebody I really like, I believe Hawk Eye was his name,

who is a great liberal creator and quite often spend his time platforming other people. If he liked a post of mine or a video of somebody else's always liberals, he would like, you know, throw them on. or give them more visibility. They banned him permanently. And, you know, this is just, you know, a guy just, you know, fighting a good fight and just spreading good common sense messages. And it's frightening to see him get banned permanently. So that's been the biggest change that I've noticed in the recent days.

Gotcha. But in case I interrupted your pitch. TikTok, where else? No, TikTok and YouTube. TikTok for now. and on Substack as well. All right. Toray, thank you so much. Great to see you, my friend.

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