Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 2/18/26: Hillary Lies About Epstein, Israeli Gov Installed Surveillance For Epstein, Trump Nonsense On Iran, Trump Bombs More Boats

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

Ryan and Emily discuss Hillary lies about Epstein connections, Israeli gov installed surveillance for Epstein, Trump sputters nonsense at Iran, Trump bombs more boats.     To become a Breaki...ng Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:18 Yes. Well. That's one of those holidays where I'm like, I don't think I could do it. Yeah, it's tough. No water too. Yeah. Lent too, right? It's the first day of Lent, 40-day fasting. Do they always line up or no?
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Starting point is 00:02:41 We'll be rooting you on. We will. From here, from behind the desk. Yes. Well quenched, well fed from behind the desk. For usual. Exactly. Oh, that's the title of your memoir.
Starting point is 00:02:50 Well, quenched, well fed from behind a desk. Perfect. All right. So we got more Jeffrey Epstein news. Sure do. We're going to talk about all of the Jeffrey Epstein news. And then we're also going to talk about some new drop site reporting. wild story that I did with Maas about how
Starting point is 00:03:06 Jeffrey Epstein and Ehou Abraq used the Boko Haram crisis to say you know why don't you let us in with a little bit of a little bit of surveillance technology and we'll see if we can help you out they even like they went to a Christian school in Nigeria and we're like wouldn't you guys like a little power plant near there so you can power the school they wound up with facial recognition
Starting point is 00:03:29 technology instead it was a package and then that he flips those contacts into a deal for his buddy over at Dubai Port's World to be able to, you know, get that emirati company in there. This is just fun. And then we were also going through the emails, continuing over at J-mail, and found that the Israeli consulate in the UN permanent mission had Jeffrey Epstein's apartment under surveillance for a couple. couple years. So Ahar Barack would stay there and because he would stay there, they then linked up with the consulate to put in surveillance technology into the apartment and an alarm system. And if any guests went in and out of the Epstein apartment, they had to run them through the Israeli consulate. That's a big find. Yeah, I think so. That's a big find. Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's a pretty,
Starting point is 00:04:27 it's going to be hard to explain that one. We're going to break it down. So we've got lots and lots of up scene news today, also a video of Hillary Clinton having a meltdown, getting asked some basic questions about all of this. Ryan, there's a rough week for her. What's that? Rough week for her. She's been having, this is a second meltdown, I think, in a week. Getting pushed around over in Munich.
Starting point is 00:04:45 Yeah, that was not a good showing for her. Also, we're working on apparently an Iran deal. We'll see how that turns out, but Steve Whitkoff and Jerry Kushner were in, what, Geneva yesterday negotiating on that. So we have some... administration, definitely serious about negotiations this time, definitely not going to kill the negotiators. Ryan found a really funny Trump quote on this that we will save for that block. Another boat strike, another quote-of-quote narco strike on a vessel that was announced yesterday, so we'll break that down.
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Starting point is 00:06:37 It's the best part of the week. Yeah, I agree. I always look forward to it. All right, let's start with Hillary Clinton, who was sitting for an interview. And as Ryan pointed out, has had a little bit of a rough week. She's at the Munich Security Conference. Next week they have technically what's supposed to be their public Epstein hearing. So we'll see, actually, if that ends up happening and how it ends up happening.
Starting point is 00:06:57 But Hillary Clinton sat for an interview with the BBC. Here is her response to some questions about Jeffrey Epstein. Do you regret the links that there have been? You know, we have no links. We have a very clear record that we've been willing to talk about, which my husband has said he took some rides on the airplane for his charitable work. I don't recall ever meeting him. Did you ever meet Gila Maxwell?
Starting point is 00:07:27 I did. on a few occasions, and thousands of people go to the Clinton Global Initiative. So it to me is not something that is really at the heart of what this matter is about. They are accused and in both cases were convicted of horrific crimes against girls and women. That should be the focus. And we are more than happy to say what we know, which is very limited, and totally unrelated to their behavior or their crimes. And we want to do it in public, because let's make this transparent.
Starting point is 00:08:06 There are calls for another individual who denies wrongdoing to go before Congress on this matter. Andrew Manbatten, Windsor, formerly Prince Andrew. Do you think he should testify? I think everybody should testify. Including the former prince. I think everybody should testify who was asked to testify. I just want it to be fair. I want everybody treated the same way.
Starting point is 00:08:30 That's not true for my husband and me because other witnesses were asked to testify. They gave written statements under oath. We offered that. They want to pull us, why do they want to pull us into this, to divert attention from President Trump? This is not complicated. We have no links.
Starting point is 00:08:49 I will turn now to the breaking point of Budsman known as Ryan Grimm. Fact check. True. False? Well, she, I mean, she fact-checked herself immediately afterwards. She's like, we have no links. Well, my husband took some rides on his plane as part of his charitable work. Epstein and Maxwell played a role in, like, helping to organize the charitable work to begin with.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Yeah. Clinton Global Initiative. So that's a link. But the plane is not nothing. Not at all. And there were people at a time who were like, there's a lot of planes that you could be riding. around on. As the former president. As the former president. Why don't
Starting point is 00:09:29 do Epstein? He also had that guy, Berkle, who's a total creep. You can look up, it's a family-friendly show. I'm not even going to tell you. It's worse than the L'Leodagh Express almost. No, actually, the Llead Express is worse. But it also had its own bad nickname.
Starting point is 00:09:45 So, not once, but twice, he wound up in planes with like, sort of nicknames linked to exploitation of women. And then they continue to have a relationship out of it. It's like, we got the photos from Clinton. I was going to say, you can actually, the pictures from their travels give you a really good glimpse at how this was organized. Because it wasn't just some hands-off.
Starting point is 00:10:10 It's clearly, if you look at the pictures, it wasn't just some sort of like hands-off flight. Epstein comes, stays, you know, does his own thing. Clinton does his own thing. No, they were literally touring around together. They're standing next to each other in many, many pictures. Yeah, it's absurd to say that. This is before Epstein was charged or convicted the first time. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:29 So you can say that. A lot of people who met him were like, guys are a creep. However. Well, he had young women massaging Bill Clinton. Yes. And you also have to understand that this is a world of total creeps. So in Clinton's defense, a lot of people he encounters at this level of society are complete and total creeps. And many of them are like actual mass murderers.
Starting point is 00:10:54 Yeah. Like the way they get. got into their position of powers by overseeing mass violence around the globe. And so I think you're probably, your moral radar probably is a little haywire by the time you're in your post-presidency and have yourself overseen mass violence. Now, Andrew Kaczynski did another fact check here. This is A2, just of Clinton's claim on the Clinton Global Initiative. She says, oh, thousands of people go to the Clinton Global Initiative in response to questions
Starting point is 00:11:22 about Galate Maxwell. K-file notes, Maxwell did not just go. at a CGI, Maxwell and her charity partnered with CGI and Maxwell as an honored guest in 2013, there for her ocean charity making commitments at CGI. And as CNN reported, Andrew Kaczynski reported this at CNN, we saw that she had complementary access. There's other reporting from Kaczynski showing that the Clinton Global Initiative, Ryan just mentioned this, was built in no small part by donations and work coordination from Epstein and Maxwell, Maxwell was intimately intertwined with Doug Band, who was Bill Clinton's,
Starting point is 00:12:01 it was almost what Boris Nikolich was to Bill Gates. This is almost what Doug Band was at that time to Bill Clinton. Band was seen as, to people who were close to Clinton at the time, he was sort of like an almost an adopted son. He was that close to him. Yeah. And they were very clearly, if you look through their emails, they're talking about, you remember the one that I'm thinking of, particularly the boo-boo one.
Starting point is 00:12:22 It's disgusting. Yes. Yes, they're, yes, extremely close would be an understatement. We have, we found emails, yeah, where banned, I think, who went to University of Florida and wanted to see them play in Indianapolis and the NCAA championship back in 2007-08. I think they were in it both years, one of those years, and he couldn't get any flights, because there's not a lot of flights to Indianapolis, so he reaches out to Maxwell and Epstein. And Epstein's like, yes, let him have the plane.
Starting point is 00:12:52 he found a different plane because he's in Bill Clinton's sort of getting a plane was not going to be that big of a problem there's a thing giving him a watch and stuff anyway they're connected now
Starting point is 00:13:04 one person who agrees with Hillary Clinton on part of her point was Thomas Massey when he was here his point was yeah she should testify but it's a distraction it's theater and her point that if you're really trying to get to the bottom of what's going on here we're happy
Starting point is 00:13:22 to answer questions in writing. Like, that actually, that's, that's a pretty, like, it's better, I think, to be in person, but like, that's pretty useful. Like, if it's, if it's on the record, it's public and it's under oath. But, yeah, Massey's, Massey's point is, like, you need subpoena power, you need to, like, you need to talk to the banks.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Like, you need to get much deeper than just trying to embarrass the Clintons. Yeah. Now, you know, the public loves some embarrassment. of its top officials. So I'm not going to stand in the way of that. Top officials who have been incredibly accused of rape and we know abuse there are power in office
Starting point is 00:14:01 for sexual exploits. Bill Clinton's record on this has just been bad. It's the whole entire life. The whole entire life. Some really big news in the business world. We can put this next element up on the screen from the New York Post.
Starting point is 00:14:17 The Hyatt Executive Chair, Tom Pritzker, has stepped down over Epstein ties. this came out yesterday. He said in a letter to Hyatt's board, according to the post, that he was exiting effective immediately in an effort to show, quote, good stewardship after more than 20 years at the company and would not seek re-election to the board at Hyatt's annual shareholder meeting in May. Good stewardship also means protecting Hyatt, particularly in the context of my association with Jeffrey Epstein and Galane Maxwell, which I deeply regret. I exercise terrible judgment in maintaining contact with them, and there's no excuse for failing to
Starting point is 00:14:51 distance myself sooner. Pritzker went on to say, Ryan, Pritzker has featured in some of your reporting. Why is he stepping down? I mean, yeah, he's in there, he's in there, and he seems to be aware of the debauchrous behavior and doesn't back out. Joking about it. Yeah. And again, like, I'm half joking, but I feel bad for some of the elites in the sense that, All of the people that they associate with are engaged in terrible things all of the time. Like, that's how they got to where they are. And by some fluke chance, Epstein and Maxwell get plucked out as the examples that now the world agrees are, you know, horrifying and horrific people. And that anybody associated with them needs to go down.
Starting point is 00:15:46 Who knows, like, what other creatures crawl within. in that world, that if you get their emails, if you learned the private details of what they're doing, that they may also have been. Now, were they running like a network like this that had this pyramid scheme level of, you know, girls, you know, the teens become in the 20s and then they become the recruiters and then they, you know, it's like an industrial scale type situation. You know, probably not, but you're talking a matter of degrees rather than kind. in the depravity that's like on public display inside these circles. And they're just, I think, very used to seeing it and very used to having no accountability.
Starting point is 00:16:32 I was also thinking the other day, like, let's say you were one of these elites and you wanted to call out Epstein. Who in the elite world would even believe you? Right. Like they would just, they'd be like, oh, some business deal went south with you and Jeffrey. And so now you're trying to suck all of us into your drama. Right. There's no mechanism for holding these people accountable. Therefore, they're not held accountable. And therefore, everybody just, you know, coasts along with it. Now, the reason I'm half joking is because I'm happy to see, you know, anybody associated with this, you know, go down. So in Tom Pritzker, it's not like maybe people don't know his name. They might know his last name. He has cousins of J.B. Pritzker. But he's the, as we just mentioned, The executive chair of Hyatt, one of the most powerful businessman in the world, he was, I believe it was a pretty...
Starting point is 00:17:30 The Prisker family. It's Penny Prisker, like, major dem donors. I was just going to say, yeah. Extremely wealthy, yeah, family. Yeah. There's so much. There's a lot of Pritzker in the library, in the Epstein Library, the DOJ has. So it makes complete sense. There's, the Post has this. They include this back and forth. had with Karina Shuliac, who is getting more attention recently as well, where in 2018, he, quote, agreed to help Epstein's girlfriend arrange a trip to Southeast Asia and asked what
Starting point is 00:18:03 she planned to do during the trip, quote, going to find a new girlfriend for Jeffrey Shuliac wrote, Pritzker replied with a smiley face emoji and wrote, may the force be with you. Lovely. Right. So, you know, we don't know what he knew exactly, but we knew he had window into. some of it. Yeah. And
Starting point is 00:18:25 yeah, I was going to say, yeah, we don't know we participated and we know that he was cooperating to some extent with Jeffrey Epstein's
Starting point is 00:18:36 camp in regards to like organizing trips and he's going back and forth with Epstein I think I found one last night where he says he responds to Epstein about something
Starting point is 00:18:44 that says too old even for me. So they have we have we allowed this world to be created where you have this ecosystem of people who operate above accountability and with impunity and this is what we've gotten out of it and and that's why I like Rokane's use of Epstein class like there should not be an Epstein class everyone should be accountable to the law so this is an email from Tom Pritzker 2010 he says to Epstein
Starting point is 00:19:15 going to Turkey on Wednesday having dinner with foreign minister then to Kabul for some Cabos with McChrystal so Stanley Crystal. Peter's timing of getting out of government is perfect, not good, perfect, assuming that's about Mandelson. This was 2010, so I don't know. I am on my way to D.C. to have someone at NSC explain to me how it is that Turkey president is now looking to Iran for friends. Afghan Prez is now looking to Taliban for friends, and the Israeli president is looking in the mirror for friends. China looks at CNN and says, who needs friends? And the French look in their wineglass for friends. Ha ha ha ha. Good one. Tom Pritzker. Another bang. There you go.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Well done, Tom. Yeah. 75. What are you still working anyway? You're that rich. Seriously. Which drives me crazy. He's 75 years old. Seriously. The villages needs you. Like, what are you doing? The villages. He's probably too rich for the villages. They have like four bedrooms, though. There you go. Get a big one with a screen porch.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Sounds nice. All right. Well, now let's go to new drop site reporting. We don't even have to do the like early bird. You can just eat whenever he wants. People forget the degree to which you are perhaps the most. prominent national reporter on the village's feed. Well, we got to dive, actually, we need to dive back into it if the villages is going through an incredible scandal. You know, it's a corporation that owns a giant city. And what happens after you can't expand anymore to feed the profits of this corporation, then you have to turn inward and just start extracting more wealth out of the people that you have living there. So they started selling them all a Medicare Advantage plans.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Oh, gosh. And it just became a giant scam. And now they're, like, facing bankruptcy. Well, we will definitely have to return to this subject. Yeah, we will. We will. It's crazy. And it's like, what would happen if you allow a city, profit-seeking city, to just extract things from elderly people?
Starting point is 00:21:08 Oh, it turns out it will just scam them to the point of its own bankruptcy. That reminds me. Speaking of profit-seeking cities, I found an email last night. between Epstein and Lawrence Krause, where they're talking about a trip to Disney World, and Epstein suggests to Lawrence Krause that he has, quote, special access to Disney, because Krause is saying,
Starting point is 00:21:30 I can't get extra Disney tickets sent here for your guest. Too late for that. We can get it when we are there. I won't be able to link her a ticket to ours as I will do for yours so I can reserve one or two rides, but that is the only negative of 2013. Epstein replies, I have special access. Don't worry.
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Starting point is 00:25:09 he was staying for long stretches of time at Jeffrey Epstein's apartment, which was technically owned by Mark Epstein, but effectively controlled by Jeffrey Epstein, Mark Epstein, his brother, that the Israeli consulate, the UN permanent mission for Israel in New York became responsible for security at this Epstein apartment. And they installed different things. surveillance and security devices in that apartment. We put up, I don't know if we have either of these two elements available, but they go back and forth, and it turns out that basically anybody who had to, anybody who had to go, one to go into the apartment had to have a background check and had to be cleared by the
Starting point is 00:26:03 Israeli government. And the And there was the handler for the apartment even turned over according to the emails. So like they're going back and forth with
Starting point is 00:26:14 you know they're saying hey we're going to have some new new folks coming in and a different person different Israeli government official response say I'm taking over for Rafi I'm now handling this apartment security
Starting point is 00:26:26 that's the gist of the of what we can glean you know just from these documents Of course, 2016, 2017, this is like long after his conviction. And the first thing it does is blow away the claims by Ehud Barak that they barely ever met. Okay. But I think we have pretty convincingly blown away that one already. Oh my gosh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:51 But it also means that the Israeli government, you know, knew how close Epstein and Barack was. This is also the same apartment where Yoni Korin, was another Israeli spy and a protege of Barack stayed. He stayed at that apartment as well. And where is this part? What is this apartment? So it's, so East 66th.
Starting point is 00:27:14 This is the this is not the townhouse. This is the it's maybe a 20 minute walk from from this apartment to the kind of Central Park famous townhouse. This is
Starting point is 00:27:28 it's an apartment where he would have people stay who were coming into town. I was going to say, I've seen this in the emails. And sometimes it's women. Yes, a lot of times it's women. Yeah, okay. So they would have to clear. He would have to clear those women if it was during these stretches of time. He often appears to be giving it as a favor. With the consulate, it is a favor. Like people, and he did his Paris apartment this way too. Yeah. Hey, I'm going to be in Paris. Can I stay at your place? Yeah. Or I'm going to be in New York. Can I
Starting point is 00:27:57 stay at your place? And sometimes you see him talking to girls where he says, you know what, at least do me courtesy while you're staying in my apartment to, you know, keep me at prize. Right, because she didn't get back to him, like, fast enough. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So I assume that's the E66.
Starting point is 00:28:13 That, yes. Yes. Well, so that's very interesting. Mark's company owned, like, most of the building, it seems like. Okay. Okay. The development company. And yeah, so you can read the story for some of the, from some of the details on it.
Starting point is 00:28:29 But yeah, so that's a pretty tight. link right there. This is one of the Israeli government was doing the security for Epstein's apartment. This is one of the most significant stories to come out of the entire DOJ archive, I think, Ryan. This one from
Starting point is 00:28:46 UMaz is huge. And people will say, well, yeah, it's because Barack was a former prime minister and they all get security. It's like, okay, but like, follow that train of thought a little further. Right.
Starting point is 00:29:02 So clearly, what this shows, to paraphrase Bas Musuf is that he was the KGB agent. Yeah. Clearly, he was working on behalf of the Russians. Yes, yes, of course. But, I mean, this is the type of thing that's like, it's obvious. You know if Afaibarak is staying. It's one of those things where it's like you can connect the dots A and B and say it's happening. But here what you guys did was prove, right?
Starting point is 00:29:28 Like, it's logical. It's the logical follow-on. but you guys found the actual proof that it was happening. Everyone would know if Ava Barak is staying at a place. It's likely that this is happening. But it's not just likely. You know, sir, it really happened. I know.
Starting point is 00:29:48 Mazan had another interesting story on Tuesday that if people missed, I think it's, and if you care about this kind of stuff, it's really interesting because it's another window into what what Epstein was really doing with Barack and with the connections that he was building between Dubai Ports World, which is Sultan Suleyam, who quit recently under pressure, although everybody thinks he's put out in some type of garden leave. He's still probably in the mix. But, you know, facing real pressure. By the way, sorry, just before you go to that, I found an email from him last night. Epstein was asking him about another businessman.
Starting point is 00:30:28 He said, well, this man is not like me. He's faithful to his life. That's what the Sultan said to Epstein. Sultan. Sultan, what are he doing, man? Yeah, anyway. Yeah, Sultan. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:30:40 So we put up, this is A4. The headline, Epstein flipped Israel's Gaza-tested biometric scanners into Nigeria-Ports deal for UAE. the kind of headlines that we've been putting on drop-sized stories lately are kind of mind-boggling you read the story and there is zero
Starting point is 00:31:03 sensationalism it's just a straightforward like literally what he did here so Boko Haram is going on its rampage in what 2013 and and so Barack
Starting point is 00:31:18 and actually through his wife he often used his wife to kind of make the entree to other officials. They reach out condolences to you know for this Boko Haram massacre. We're all we're we're we're we're we are there for you. And what the way that they are there for you then becomes evident over the the following years they offer why don't we come in and for this Christian private school build a power plant like you move, you know, move this entire community forward.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Wonderful. That's terrific. You're going to build a power plant to power this school, which will then benefit the entire community. That's tremendous. That's what you want the like the, like, patrician elites, the good Davos crowd to be doing, lifting people up from poverty. Somehow along the way, instead of building a power plant, the accident,
Starting point is 00:32:22 install facial recognition. Oh, no. What a mistake. Oh, did we say power plant? Yeah. We're going to, so we have this product that we have tested in Gaza that they used at the Rafa Border Crossing.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Which Ehud Barak was involved with? So Ehud Barak, yes, bringing this in because Epstein and Barack were deeply entrenched in the Israeli cybersecurity in cyber weapons industry. So they tested this facial recognition technology early in Gaza. And they say, look, why don't you just install this facial recognition technology here in this school? And at the time, there's this
Starting point is 00:33:08 big scandal going on in Nigeria because the government had been exposed for using a lot of Israeli surveillance equipment. And you can witness Epstein and Barack kind of massaging and managing the PR and the fallout. And despite the, you. public outcry in Nigeria around this, managing to muscle it through, and then ultimately building enough connections that Epstein is then able to bring Sultan and BP world, D.P. world into the mix, Nigeria, one of the wealthiest countries in the world. It's people do not share in that wealth. It's people like Epstein and Sultan Zuliam who extract the wealth, funnel a lot of it to the UAE where it's laundered through their, through their, you know,
Starting point is 00:33:59 makeshift, you know, mafia-like kind of banking system. And then it emerges in, you know, as like penthouses in Miami and New York and Paris, where it's, where it continues to be laundered. And then drives up, you know, property, you know, drives up the price of housing for people all over, all over the world because it has to find somewhere to park that is quasi legitimate. So if you're asking how that affects you, it makes it so you can't afford a house. So yeah, so they,
Starting point is 00:34:36 that's kind of what they're doing. It's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, and now Trump is like bombing Nigeria. Like, and also like bombing like even the wrong parts of Nigeria. Not that any parts of Nigeria should be bombed, but he was like claiming he's like bombing the remnants of Boko Haram or the like whatever they've evolved into. Instead he's bombing completely different parts. Well, let me ask if we combine both of these stories, the extent to which we can say, Eh-Hu-Roc. I should have, you can roll through A5 while Emily's talking. This is a slideshow of some of the pieces of you want to read that. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Well, yeah. So if we combine these two
Starting point is 00:35:19 stories, to what extent can we say that Ahoub, Barack and Jeffrey Epstein, were state actors or extra state actors? What do we know about how this was, in some ways, connected with official Israeli government policy? That's, that's, it's not the wrong question. It is, it kind of misunderstands the distinction between state and not. state actors in what in this Davos set and so like Epstein is not like Epstein to do what Epstein was doing he would never have had to have been on the payroll of any spy service yeah no anywhere yes and for Barack to do what he's doing doesn't need an official portfolio
Starting point is 00:36:10 sometimes what he was doing he was still Minister of Defense but that's what I mean yeah like is there so sometimes he was actually Minister of Defense while he's doing these deals with Epstein. For the most part, after March 2013 is when Barack leaves the office. He then tries to make a comeback in 2018. And then in the 19,
Starting point is 00:36:29 Bannon was going to run his campaign. That it didn't, it fizzled. I think they won like no seats or something, one seat or something. Because he formed a new political party. He was a labor party guy.
Starting point is 00:36:47 But, But they're constantly working with the Israeli cyber security industry, which is fully aligned with Israeli state foreign policy and is completely populated by Unit 8200 and other veterans of... There's basically no membrane between these companies, Paragon being the... major one that Barack is involved with. It's like Lockheed. It's like saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's probably more of a membrane in some ways between our military industrial complex. But that's the idea. Like it is a it is a complex.
Starting point is 00:37:36 Yeah. Like when you the phrase military industrial complex, it's the same in Israel, but probably even tighter because of the way that. Yeah, it's a small country. It's a small country. Everybody's moving in. out of these positions. And you see Epstein and Barack frequently in contact with current intelligence officials. Like, in fact, like, when they go to Nigeria, they get, Barack gets, like, you know, has them, like, do up some intel for him on what's Jonathan, good luck.
Starting point is 00:38:14 Give me a, you know, backgrounder on him. And that's not just Wikipedia, like, the backgrounders you're going to get from these intel guys are going to be much more interesting. Yeah. Because they have a lot more information. Well, and I'm assuming that Ehud Barak, as former intelligence minister and prime minister, has access to whatever he wants for the most part. And then John and good luck, just to bring in full circle for breaking points viewers, he was kind of the head of the Commonwealth Election Advisory Commission that went to, oversee Pakistan's February 2024 election, which they found to be completely rigged
Starting point is 00:38:56 and then buried their report until we got a copy of it and published it. Crazy. This is such good reporting. Thanks, Ryan, for breaking it down for us. Interesting stuff. Indeed. That's for sure.
Starting point is 00:39:10 All right. War with Iran. Today or tomorrow? Canadian women are looking for more. more out of themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world are out of them. And that's why we're thrilled to introduce the Honest Talk podcast. I'm Jennifer Stewart. And I'm Catherine Clark. And in this podcast, we interview Canada's most inspiring women.
Starting point is 00:39:31 Entrepreneurs, artists, athletes, politicians, and newsmakers, all at different stages of their journey. So if you're looking to connect, then we hope you'll join us. Listen to the Honest Talk podcast and IHart Radio or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Inalick Lamouba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr.
Starting point is 00:39:53 had both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's Almermata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King, Sr., and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution.
Starting point is 00:40:19 I mean, people would die. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-building on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you You get your podcasts. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world.
Starting point is 00:40:53 But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that.
Starting point is 00:41:25 It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its fault of secrets. Listen to the Sixth Bureau on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, some news yesterday when it comes to Iran negotiations. Let's put this first element up on the screen. New York Post headline Iran-U.S. agree on, quote, guiding principles of nuclear deal, as Vance says, dismantling atomic program among red lines.
Starting point is 00:42:00 Right, I thought we all kind of understood. It was not a good idea to talk about red lines explicitly when you're making foreign policy at this point. It can come back to bite you, but that is where the admin landed yesterday. Well, so Netanyahu keeps trying to add new red lines. And, you know, it makes the most cynical observers of Netanyahu's behavior appear just prescient over and over and over again. So when, throughout the years, actually, as Netanyahu was fighting against the nuclear deal, first Obama reached a nuclear deal with Iran back in 2015, which if we had left it in place, Iran, you know, we could be moving towards just normalization. Like, if that's what we care about, is Iran not having nuclear weapons and allowing inspectors in, make sure that that doesn't happen.
Starting point is 00:42:54 People back then said, this isn't even the thing that Netanyahu cares about. What he cares about is smashing Iran. Like, he wants it as weak as possible and, preferably if he can, broken up into little failing statelets a la like Libya or Syria. So you've got the Volok region, you'd have, like, insurgents going back and forth between Pakistan and Iran, who were part of the, like, Balochistan liberation side. You got the Kurds up in the north of Iran who would then, you know, they'd break that off. You got, like, just be, and then, and then you can go in and kind of take the oil fields in the south and just kind of cordon that off. So that's, like, the long-term goal to, and the total emissoration of tens of millions of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of. Iranians. And so the idea then, okay, once we do the nuclear thing, the next thing you're
Starting point is 00:43:48 going to say, well, we want the ballistic missiles. You can't have ballistic missiles. You can't have any missiles that go more than, you know, that can reach Israel. And then if we could get that, then we're going to move and say, oh, you can't support anybody else outside of, outside Iran. You can't support the Iraqi militias. You can't support ISIS. You can't support PISA.I. Like, whatever. You can't do any of that. And Iran has been very clear. We're not agreeing to these things. You want to talk nuclear program? Let's talk nuclear program. So last time they were announcing that they were making all kinds of progress on the deal and then boom, they like kill the negotiators and kill the scientists and then launched the 12-day war. And so now they're back and they're saying
Starting point is 00:44:35 like we've got the contours of a deal. So Iran is saying that, which means that the U.S. has agreed to keep it to nuclear talks. But Trump, if you, you know, he told Larry Cutlow, this is his quote, he says, it's got to be a good deal. No nuclear weapons, no missiles, know this, know that, all the different things that you want. Now, if you're Iran, like, does that sound like somebody who's engaged in like genuine negotiations? Like, are you taking the negotiations seriously? It's got to be a good deal. No nuclear weapons, no missiles, no this, know this, know that, all this.
Starting point is 00:45:13 different things that you want. Who's the you to Larry Cudlow? That Larry Cudlow wants. Yeah, that all the things you want. Know this, know that. Like, Trump is not even trying to put on an act that these talks are serious. Like, he has moved anything that can float or fly
Starting point is 00:45:38 and launch a missile has been moved within striking range. of Iran. Like the buildup outside there, I think we'll have a piece at Dropside on this as well later today by Maas, and I think by Jeremy too, the buildup makes the previous Armada you know, look like a pinprick. And so I feel like Trump has put himself in a position where he doesn't have the strength to like back down from it. He's put so much. many missiles over there. Right. And so, and he's made such, like, such intense threat saying, you know, if you start
Starting point is 00:46:21 harming protesters and then he backs down off of that one, then sends another aircraft carrier. He's talked very tough. So to your point, as he talked himself into a corner. And, yeah, and what's interesting is that last time, I'm curious how he gets out of this. Or how Trump thinks he gets out of this. So the last time he did this, he stopped the war at 12 days. And people were glad because they were like this could go on for a very, very long time. And the way he stopped it was by saying, we smashed the nuclear program to smithereens, set them back many years.
Starting point is 00:47:03 Turns out leaked audio from Netanyahu just days earlier had said they were years away already. So he was correct. They're still years away. They were years away, still years away. But they blew up a lot of things. And he watched it on his video game console. Yeah. And so he's out there.
Starting point is 00:47:21 These handsome fighters, you know, they did incredible job. We did Top Gun 3. And we're so proud of ourselves and we're ending the war. He put the jet in the White House. It's next to the Resolute desk. Like it has a model of it. Yeah, he loves it. And so that's how he gets out of it.
Starting point is 00:47:39 But I guess he could say he blew up every ballistic missile. Okay, they don't have ballistic missiles anymore. And then you could say, well, and the proxies are so weak that, like, Netanyahu needs to stop crying about him. So maybe that's the way out. But, yeah, how does Trump... So Trump's going to start... Let's say he starts the war. Very much looks like he's going to.
Starting point is 00:48:02 Iran has said, we're in a nothing left to lose situation. And so they fire as much as they possibly can. Now, the U.S. has such firepower that they may be able to just take out everything Iran has and be able to stop it before it lands. That's possible. Either way, they have said that they're going to launch strikes at American bases where there are American troops with the intent to kill hundreds of American troops to set up a deterrent. We also reported that there are hundreds of Afghan refugees still stuck at this base. in Qatar. Because they, like, got stuck in this diplomatic limbo.
Starting point is 00:48:44 Like, we moved them out of Afghanistan, but, like, we won't let them in the U.S. So they're just, like, sitting ducks. That would be the worst outcome, like, that Iran just killed hundreds of Afghan refugees stuck in an American base. Okay, so Iran launches all of its missiles. Then, you know, Trump fires and blows up the nuclear plants again. It's missiles. Like, how does he end?
Starting point is 00:49:09 Right. Especially if there are American troops killed. Right. Like, how does Trump get... How do you see Trump ending this one? I have no idea. I mean, I think on the one hand, the quote that you read suggests a flippancy. I think you're right about that. But on the other hand, I wonder if it's because he feels like he dispatched Jared Kushner and Steve Whitkoff
Starting point is 00:49:32 and actually can find some Gaza-style historic agreement. Maybe it's only as good as the paper that it's. written on, but he can say he did it. And that actually brings us to what you all were reporting at drop site. So, yeah, Whitkoff and Gushner were negotiating this in Geneva yesterday, and that's where Vice President Vance came out and said, negotiations went well in some respects, this is what he told Fox News, but on the other, you know, President Trump has been clear he has all these red lines.
Starting point is 00:50:00 Let's just jump to B3 here. This is a drop site exclusive that says Hamas says, it will not unilaterally disarmes. as Trump and Netanyahu threatened a return to full-scale war. Ryan, that's a report from Jeremy yesterday. And so it's the, what's the best way to put this? That happening in parallel to the Iran talks is quite interesting, because I actually, I do think Trump, to some degree, thinks that he's sending Whitkoff and Kushner around with this mission
Starting point is 00:50:38 of putting together grand goals that can be marketed as major wins for peace, world peace, and they're business friendly, and they're not like what anybody has ever done before. And so he just kind of, I don't know, it was the right way to say trust the process. Like, he trusts the process that Wickhoff and Kushner have. Or do you care about it because he knows he's going to do war.
Starting point is 00:51:00 Well, if it falls apart, then he's comfortable doing war. It's almost like he, it's a horse apiece. I don't know. It's really hard to know what he thinks about all of this because if you could maybe even walk us through a little bit of what Jeremy is hearing and Dropside is hearing from the Hamas side related to Gaza, how serious was any of that? I mean, we're learning in real time how serious the different points of the peace plan were. So that gives us, I think, some clues as to the authority that Kushner and Witkoff have in negotiations with Iran too. Right. And this goes back to reality versus reality distortion. So the reality of the ceasefire was that Hamas very explicitly never agreed to disarm as part of the ceasefire. They agreed to ceasefire. That was it. And they were very explicit. If you want to talk about disarmament, Hamas is willing to participate in those talks in the context of a national conversation among all Palestinian factions toward a process of self-determination in government, which means as long as there is a Palestinian police force that is constituted, then Hamas is open to disarming. But we're not going to, Hamas is saying we're not going to just disarm and then allow
Starting point is 00:52:31 the Israelis to come in and matter. massacre us. They never agreed to that. And so there's everything they've agreed to has led, was through phase one is now supposed to be leading into phase two, which is the reconstruction. Israel is saying we cannot move into phase two reconstruction until we have disarmed Hamas. So Israel couldn't win disarmament on the battlefield. They couldn't win it at the negotiating table. And so now they're just trying to state it as fact and then get the U.S., because Israel couldn't do it, get the U.S. to execute on it.
Starting point is 00:53:15 And from Trump's perspective, I think he does get like, well, wait a minute, hold on. You couldn't do it. And now you want us to do it for you? But Trump seems to be willing to effectively just go along. And so they're saying, we're going to give Hamas 60 days. Now, the other problem for Israel here, just rhetorically and optically, Netanyahu is saying there's basically no kind of missile programs left, no like, none of those types of heavy munitions. And Hamas has said, we were actually willing to agree to any limits that you want on rockets. Sure.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Disarming in that respect. Right. What you would call, as Israel likes to call them, offensive weapons. but they don't want to give up defensive weapons. Notice how like, even in here in the U.S., people like AOC are like, no, but Israel deserves defensive weapons. Even as she acknowledges they're carrying out a genocide, they're still entitled to defensive weapons.
Starting point is 00:54:15 So what about the armed faction resisting the genocide? They're not entitled to defensive weapons? Somebody tried to explain the logical consistency there. So what Netanyahu says is that there are about six, 60,000 AK-47s that are in circulation in the part of Gaza that Israel does not yet occupy, and that he wants every single one of those out before he will allow any reconstruction. Hamas is saying, no, we don't trust you. We think that you will massacre us. You're carrying out a genocide. But from the, from outsiders' perspective, you're like, wait a minute, aren't you like,
Starting point is 00:54:54 like the most well-armed military outside of the United States? in world history, and you're crying to us about 60,000 AK-47s, and you're going to starve a civilian population and refuse, like, reconstruction over these AK-47s. Like, how about you just stop doing the war? How about that? Like, they're agreeing to no missiles. So we can put up B2.
Starting point is 00:55:26 Yeah. The Board of Peace is meeting tomorrow. this Trump's Trump's board of peace and they're going to push this push this forward but and there's talk about you know getting
Starting point is 00:55:38 this international stabilization force was it Indonesia is talking about you know getting closer to having truth but we're talking it's like a year out or something from that
Starting point is 00:55:48 and so if you're Hamas you have said and all of the resistance factions have apparently agreed like we're not going to disarm until there is some type of mutually agreed upon Palestinian-led police force.
Starting point is 00:56:05 And, like, unless you're, like, completely blinkered by propaganda, how is that remotely an objectionable position? Like, unless you're an abolish the police type, maybe that's Netanyahu. Like, he's like, what are you, the police? This is just, this carcceral approach. It's a criminal justice reform.
Starting point is 00:56:22 Criminal, he's a hardcore, Kushner, right? Did the First Step Act, maybe, yeah. That's right. He's influenced by Kushner. Well, Netanyahu himself, he says... Cush is not all the way at abolish the police. The unjust prosecution of Netanyahu himself. That's true.
Starting point is 00:56:35 He probably is feeling sympathy for the criminal justice reform movement because of his own. He's been brought into the fold. He has been. So, yeah, so Netanyahu's an abolish the police type, which respect, but most people are not. Like most people are like, no, you actually need a police force. Especially if there's a genocidal army bearing down on you. that is on a daily basis uttering genocidal statements
Starting point is 00:57:02 and promising to annihilate you. That sounds like the type of negotiating point, the Trump administration of the Trump camp, would contra previous administrations. I don't know if compromise to the right word, but accept in the process of getting a deal. He has accepted in the past. I was going to ask, yeah,
Starting point is 00:57:21 what do we know about how that can go? The Board of Peace is meeting tomorrow. They just left Geneva. Yeah, Trump has said publicly, and he gets it. Like, yeah, you need to have security. He doesn't want it to become, like, Iraq needs a depathification. Like, Trump, Trump is this, in this interesting point in his life, I think, where he goes in and out of it.
Starting point is 00:57:39 Like, he'll have moments of clarity. And then moments where he's like, yeah, whatever, Netanyahu, do whatever you want. Right. Yeah, that's a, I mean, I feel like that's a pretty good summary of everything we just talked about. Yeah. Moments of clarity and the moments where he's like, yeah, Netanyahu, do it. whatever you want. Yeah. So, yeah, we're, I think we're right now at a do whatever you want in a Yahoo moment. What a time to be alive. Canadian women are looking for more. More to themselves,
Starting point is 00:58:08 their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world are out of them. And that's why we're thrilled to introduce the Honest Talk podcast. I'm Jennifer Stewart. And I'm Catherine Clark. And in this podcast, we interview Canada's most inspiring women. Entrepreneurs, artists, athletes, politicians, and newsmakers, all at different stages of their journey. So if you're looking to connect, then we hope you'll join us. Listen to the Honest Talk podcast on IHeartRadio or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles.
Starting point is 00:58:38 I'm in Alec Lamoma. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's Almermata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history,
Starting point is 00:59:00 Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind.
Starting point is 00:59:29 Listen to the A-building on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life.
Starting point is 01:00:11 And that's the unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to the Sixth Bureau on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of Trump doing war, let's move on to another boat strike.
Starting point is 01:00:41 We'll put C-1 up on the screen. This is from Southcom. This is video Southcom released just yesterday, less than 24 hours ago. Late on February 16th at the direction of Southcom Commander General Francis L. Donovan Joint Tax Force Southern Spear conducted three lethal kinetic strikes on three vessels operated by designated terrorist organizations. This is apparently what you're looking at on your screen. Intelligence confirmed the vessels were transiting along known narco-trafficking routes and were engaged in narco-trafficking operations.
Starting point is 01:01:13 11 male narco-terrorists were killed during these actions, four on the first vessel in the eastern Pacific, four on the second vessel in the eastern Pacific, and three on the third vessel in the Caribbean, no U.S. military of forces were harmed. Ryan, there was... It's an incredible line. Yeah, no. We carried out this attack from air-conditioned rooms in, like, Florida. Nobody was... No U.S. military personnel were injured in the operations.
Starting point is 01:01:37 Well, and once again, they are... We are relying on their claims that the intelligence confirmed these were people, quote, engaged in narco-trafficking operations, transiting along, quote, known narco-trafficking routes. And I have to say, reading between the... the lines, them saying, one, the boats were transiting along known narco-trafficking routes, and two, were engaged in narco-trafficking operations. It tells me that their intelligence is literally that the boats were on the routes.
Starting point is 01:02:06 We don't know, though. That's just be reading between the lines. They don't tell us what they knew. They aren't putting anybody on trial. They're just blowing them up once again. Right. And we wanted to cover this because the term normalized was abused in the first Trump term, But if you don't cover these, like, and you just kind of acknowledge that it's just normal that one government is sending drones into the sky and just blowing up boats, like it is a crime against humanity.
Starting point is 01:02:42 And so they've now hit at least 42 boats and killed at least 144 people. there are some lawsuits already from I think some Colombian and Venezuelan citizens or their loved ones of them for wrongful death the Coast Guard when they intercept boats
Starting point is 01:03:07 oftentimes they get it right something like a third of the time yeah Rand Paul has pointed this out something like a third of time they get it wrong and that's with binoculars and they're closer, they're like able to look, they're like, okay, like we've been out here doing this a long time, that looks like a drug boat to us. And they stop it because you get stopped by the American Coast Guard, like you stop.
Starting point is 01:03:34 Yeah. That's what happens. They board it, they search it, oftentimes they find it. And then what you can do is you can then ask them, who paid you to do this? And that's how you do these drug enforcement operations often with the Q. in the past. Well, and you can also take the alleged drugs off of the boat and process them and such. Yeah, process them up through your nose and sell them your drugs. Yeah, their process can be many things. Yes, it's shockingly, there's a lot of shrinkage between
Starting point is 01:04:08 the seizure and the trial and oftentimes. But, you know, setting that aside, if the Coast Guard, which has been doing this for decades and can do it from the sea, is getting it wrong one out of three times, why do we think that Pete Hagseth doing it as a video game is going to get it right 100% of the time? That is setting aside the question of whether if the person is carrying drugs, we are within our rights to execute them. That they are engaged in an act of combat. Right.
Starting point is 01:04:47 That's the argument is that they are engaged in a concerted government effort from Venezuela to... Our ally. Now we're in charge of Venezuela, yes. That they're engaged in a concerted... That's a great point, by the way. This is post-regime change, post-Modoro. I mean, it's not technically a regime change, but post-Modoro. The argument is that they are engaged in an act of war by trafficking.
Starting point is 01:05:14 Again, the reason that you arrest people and then you tell... the public what you're hearing, the reason you do that is precisely so that you know where they're actually going. Are they going to Trinidad? Are they going to other places? Are these, is this going to Europe? A lot of the cocaine from Venezuela goes to Europe, probably more than goes to the United States. So we have no idea.
Starting point is 01:05:35 And I don't know how their intelligence tells them precisely that this was narco-trafficking, coming to the United States, organized by government actors, state actors, to commit war against the American people. That's all the burden that has to be met for this to make any sense. And to your point, that's why we're covering this. Yeah. That makes no sense. Yeah, you make a very good point.
Starting point is 01:05:58 And so, and I think it's hard for people to, like, take seriously the argument that the U.S. is making here to make these strikes, quote-unquote, legal. But if you do for a second, just to repeat the very important point that Emily is making there, the U.S.'s claim that these are legal, lethal strikes. is rooted in the false claim, but let's accept the claim that Tren de Aragua is a foreign terrorist organization that is run by Maduro
Starting point is 01:06:27 that is at war with the United States and that all of the narco-traffickers in the Pacific, which two of the strikes were in the Pacific, like, why is Trenna Ragua sending people out to Pacific? Eastern Pacific, yeah, I don't know what that even. Like, no, like, if they're Venezuela and they're in the Caribbean, not the Pacific,
Starting point is 01:06:46 But let's just pretend that all three of these ships, we're going to grant everything to the government's argument here. All three of these ships are Tranda Aragua. There's no evidence that Trenna Ragua is a international narco-trafficking group. They're like thugs who, like, beat people up and, like, extort people and, like, one of those gangs. They almost certainly have some level of integration against the Venezuela government. Of course. Almost certainly.
Starting point is 01:07:13 That's absolutely true. But whether they're being used as a. military force by the Venezuelan government to commit war. Let's pretend, just for the sake of argument, that Maduro was in fact running Trendyaragua and that Trend de Aragua was running all of these drugs. And that, so the argument from the U.S. was, if we blow up these boats,
Starting point is 01:07:34 that is depriving the Maduro regime, which is a narco-terrorist regime that is at war with the United States from that revenue. And that's what makes these legal strikes. as you may have noticed from following the news, Maduro is now in jail in the United States. Delci Rodriguez is running Venezuela. Trump just yesterday said that Deli Rodriguez is doing a tremendous job
Starting point is 01:08:01 and that we are running Venezuela and that she is doing a tremendous job on our behalf of running Venezuela. This is someone who was, again, organizing allegedly Trendyaragua to commit war against the United States government and that we are still striking people, allegedly. Right, so she's doing a tremendous job. She's on our side. We, in fact, are running.
Starting point is 01:08:22 If it's true that the Venezuelan government is still running to Rangwa, then Trump is running it. Right? I mean, but according to Trump's logic, he has, Delsey is great, she's an ally, and Venezuela is not at war with the United States.
Starting point is 01:08:39 So then your legal justification that you have put forward for these strikes has completely evaporated. It never made any sense to begin with, to be clear, but now it has zero basis. Like this is now, you're now just killing, at best, narco-traffickers, at worst, innocent people, completely innocent people who are in the boats.
Starting point is 01:09:08 Without a trial. So if they are narco-traffickers, this point and the money is going back to some government, it's either going back to Ecuador, which is your ally, Naboa, Colombia, who he doesn't like Petro, but like, he doesn't claim that Colombia's at war with us, or Venezuela, which is our ally now, which we run, or what else, the Alvador, 100, like, there's no one down there that we're saying is at war with us other than Cuba. And we're not saying that Cuba isn't behind this. Now, don't, I just gave them an idea.
Starting point is 01:09:50 Planting? Apparently, yeah, no. Anyway. We're still doing it. Total, like, utterly, completely, totally criminal, even by the government's own attempted explanations. Like, your point is a good one, that, like, the world changed when they took Maduro,
Starting point is 01:10:08 and that, and we pulled out our rationale for these strikes. and continue the strikes anyway. Because we do not care. Well, we'll see if they, I mean, we'll see if they even bother to, I mean, they're posting the footage here. We'll see if they even bother to say, you know, what state actor, they, I mean, all assumptions for the rest of the 41 other strikes
Starting point is 01:10:32 since, what, September would be that it was the Venezuelan, it was narco-traffickers operating on behalf of the Venezuelan government. On behalf of Maduro, this was happening to be a shot across bow to Maduro to either squeeze them out or make a regime change operation seem justified. And now that that's happened, we will see if they even bother to say who they think these narco traffickers were committing an act of war on behalf of. Because so far it's nothing. So far it's just almost bragging by posting that video we played earlier of the strikes.
Starting point is 01:11:09 So I'm curious if they respond to that. Let's put in a comment request with the state department, actually. That sounds good. Yeah. Or defense department, like, you're doing this criminal activity. Why? Yeah. You want your justification.
Starting point is 01:11:24 Oh, yeah, defense would make more sense. Well, I mean, it's Rubio. Like, yeah. Yeah, well, because if it's Venezuela, I would love to know if we think that Dulcee Rodriguez is organizing a war. Then is Rubio the kingpin. Or is, I think Trump is the kingpin. Yeah. Narco Rubio.
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