Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 2/23/26: Tucker Vs Huckabee On Israel, Sachs Flames Trump On Iran And Tariffs

Episode Date: February 23, 2026

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Good morning, everybody. Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal? Indeed, we do. Amazing snow day, lots to cover. We've got the big Tucker Carlson versus Mike Huckabee interview with Huckabee saying, hey, he's totally on board with the Greater Israel project based on biblical scripture.

So that's caused huge fallout in the region. We'll show you a bunch of quite extraordinary clips from that interview with our ambassador to Israel. We also continue to watch whether or not we are headed to war with Iran. There's some new reporting on that front. And Jeffrey Sacks is going to join us to break all of that down. We're also taking a look at what's going on in Mexico, where there is significant unrest. after the killing of a major cartel boss, the drop site news head of the Latin American desk,

Jose Luis Granato Seja, who is fantastic, is going to join us to break that down. We also have updates on whatever is going on with tariffs, interested to get Saugger's insights there as well. And we are going to have the guy who you probably saw part of that viral clip in New Jersey where he successfully blocked a data center from being located. So he is a grassroots organizer,

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you know, very, very close to our own southern border. And our FBI director chugging beers in the locker room with Team USA. He claims he was invited by some of the people that were there. I mean, to be fair, they do look like they're excited to see him. I know that he is a hockey enthusiast, and he does play on some rec leagues here in America. But, you know, just reminder, the FBI director did have to take a very expensive private jet to Italy. Now his spokesperson is saying that it was for official business.

It just so happened to align with Team USA and the hockey team. It's been scheduled months in advance. So that's what his spokesperson is saying out there in defense of the FBI director. But I'll let the visual speak for itself. So yes, congratulations to Team USA, the hockey team of both men and women. But, you know, I feel bad for them for having to pretend to be happy in the president's of our FBI director. I mean, I just thought as we dive into our show here and keep in mind, we are podcasters.

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seen. So humiliating display there. And then we can also take a look here at the Secretary of War, Pete Hegeseth, who put out this video over the weekend, claiming to have benched, what was it, 315, that this supposedly is. Okay. 315. Now, immediately the Jimbrose saga jumped on this one and said, this is literally not possible. There is, there are some, for his weight category, some 220 people ever in the world at any time who've been able to lift this amount of weight. So give us your analysis, you know, from what is the Jimbrough community saying about whether or not this was fake? So Jimbrose say that it is technically possible and it is theoretically possible. and it is theoretical. However, there have been multiple public instances, for example, the famous Chris Cuomo of people lifting fake weight. So you can make up your minds for yourselves. I'm calling for a full audit of the bench press and for all of the people who are currently involved. But more importantly, for our purposes, as we showed you all before, Pete Hegseth, even let's say if it is real, it's like, dude, you're showing off your bench prowess in the middle of preparations for war with Iran. Like this is not a

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Let's get to the real work. Tucker Carlson's extraordinary interview with the U.S. ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, so many different important sections. We've tried to pull many of them. Perhaps the most important is senior U.S. government official, U.S. pastor to Israel, representative of the Trump administration, saying unequivocally, Israel has a right to the entire Middle East. Let's take a listen. You've appealed to Genesis. Genesis 15 says it's Abram, it's pre-Abraim, it's Abram, it's Abram, receives from God the news that his descendants

will inherit the land, and you tell me as the theologian, if I'm getting this wrong, but from the Euphrates to the Nile. I think, I think that's right. And that would include, like, basically, the entire Middle East. That would be the Levant. So that would be Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon. It would also be big parts of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. It would be, I mean... I'm not sure it would go that far. I mean, it would be a big piece of land. But here's the point. It would be a lot of places that are now countries that... But this particular area that we're talking about now, Israel, is a land that God gave through Abraham to a people that he chose. It was a people, a place, and a purpose.

We can look at it that way. Christian Zionism, I want to go back, because that's where we started on this. I'm not going to let you off on this because you have said it three times that God gave this land to this people. And so it is entirely fair for me with respect to ask, what land are you talking about? Because I just read Genesis 15, as I have many times. And that land, I think it says from the Nile to the Euphrates, which is once again, basically the entire Middle East. God gave that land to his people the Jews or he didn't. You're saying he did.

What does that mean? Does Israel have the right to that land? Because you're appealing to Genesis. You're saying that's the original deed. It would be fine if they took it all. Unbelievable. Yeah. And the best part, Crystal, is later on, he goes, okay, do the Irish people have a right to Ireland?

He's like, there is no right. It's by conquest. And you're like, well, hold on a second here. You know, what are we talking about? By the way, this has sparked a full-blown diplomatic crisis. Let's go ahead and put A2 up there on the screen, just so you all see the map of Greater Israel and part of the project, if you will. And you can see exactly what he's talking about,

including vast swats of Saudi Arabia. And, you know, you even had a huge diplomatic statement. You know, congratulations. Only Mike Huckabee could unite the entire Middle East. Many of these countries, you hate each other. They hate each other with the fire of a thousand sons. And yet they all had to come together to issue a big diplomatic statement. Let's go ahead and put this up here on the screen.

They say the ministries of all of these different countries, I'm going to read them, Jordan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Indonesia, Qatar, Lebanon, Kuwait, Pakistan, Bahrain, Oman, Palestine, and Syria, plus the OIC, the Arab League and the Gulf states all say they unequivocally condemn the greater Israel endorsement of. there of the ambassador, Mike Huckabee. This is the humiliation ritual, is that we have this special country. It has a right to exist because of Genesis. If you're Ireland, screw you. It's about your right to conquest. It's the only country in the whole world,

apparently, where the right to conquest does not apply. And that's the madness through which our policy is currently flowing. And I actually think that the next one on genetics makes it even crazier, Crystal. Well, I mean, just to pause on this one because Sager, people like you and I who have been talking about the Greater Israel Project and saying, hey, guys, look at the number of countries that they're bombing. Look at the maps that they put. Look at what they talk. Listen to the settlers because they're the ones who will say it outright. They're serious about this thing. Okay. We were treated like coups, anti-Semites, conspiracy theorists, etc. This is the U.S. ambassador to Israel. Is this U.S. policy? Yes. Is this what our policy is? Because that seems like an important question to ask and know the answer to. And then the other thing I have to pause on here, as we're potentially heading into war with Iran, you know, one of the things that we hear all about the Iranians is they're so irrational because they're these religious zealots and they're this, you know, theocratic authoritarian regime. And so, you know, they can't be reasoned with because they're irrational because of these, you know, with this extreme religious religiosity that's, you know, that's, you know, they're they rule the country with. Like, what the fuck is this? I mean, what do you call this? We're using biblical scripture to erase international law, certainly to erase the borders of nation states.

I thought this was an administration that cared an awful lot about borders. Turns out when it comes to Israel's ability to invade and, you know, brutally take over whatever areas they feel like, that's no problem whatsoever. So, um, extraordinary and very significant. moment, which again has major spillover effects as, look, these countries, they're genuinely pissed off right in the region for understandable reasons. And it may end up that this comment from Huckabee helps to forestall war with the run because we need a bunch of these countries' cooperation for, you know, for launching attacks, for defense, a bunch of bases located in the region, et cetera. And so if you have them pissed off ahead of this action, you know, you're not going to get

the level of cooperation that perhaps you would need for the grand scale that Trump is potentially planning. Now, I'm not going to like place all my hopes in that bucket. But certainly, like a truly significant development that the Iranians, by the way, are already talking about and already mentioning to say, look, see, this is that it's the Epstein class driving us towards war. The greater Israel project is real. Like, come on, Arab states, you really want to be part of this coalition? Is this what you've signed on for? I wouldn't be surprised. if they still did sign on for it considering their own humiliation ritual, but it is instructive and illustrative of the current relationship

and the sure psychopathy of the people who are in charge. This next one on genetics is equally revealing. It is an entire challenge about who has the right to the land based on their blood. And, you know, Mike Huckabee seems completely unable to grapple with, let's say, Eastern European, you know, Eastern European or descendants who are living in Israel versus Palestinian people who have been present on the land for some thousands of years and whether or not they have rights to exist on that land

by their logic. Now again, this is their internal logic about blood and soil inside the country of Israel. But here's Mike Huckabee literally speechless on the question regarding Bibi Netanyahu and others. Let's take a listen. Dodging a very obvious question, which is where does this right come from? And the reason it's meaningful is because there are a lot of people in the territory that Israel controls today, particularly in the West Bank, who through genetic testing, we can know their families have been here for thousands of years. We don't know whether they practiced Judaism, whether they were Samaritans, pre-Islam. We don't know that. A lot of them we know have been Christians for 2,000 years.

They have less of a right to the land than some of them. someone whose ancestors, the only thing we know about them is they lived in Latvia or Poland. They're Eastern European. How does that work? They're Jewish. They're Jewish by what definition? They're Jewish by their ethnicity. They're Jewish by their faith. They're Jewish by the connection to the language. Jewish by the connection to the Torah. But how do we know that Bibi, specifically Bibi's ancestors ever lived here? How do we know that? I'm not sure if I understand your question. How do we know if the Prime Minister of Israel's ancestors ever lived? Maybe I could ask you, how do we know they didn't?

Well, it's on the basis of the claim that they did that all kinds of things happen. People are displaced. There's a money flow. I mean, it's a big question. A lot hangs on this. It's not some theoretical thing like, oh, do my grandparents do this or do that? It's like, no, no, no, we have a right to be here because my ancestors were here. okay, how do we know they were here?

I'm just totally unable to process what you're trying to get at. I think I know what he was trying to get out there a little bit. And I think Mike Cugabe knows what he just doesn't want to grapple with it. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I've said this before, you know, my children's father is Jewish. And they have, you know, more of a right by Israelis views to live there and have the land. than people who have lived there for genuinely thousands of years. Now, obviously, I'm a leftist.

I believe in universal rights. I don't subscribe to this blood and soil view of a nation. But as you said, Sauger, this is their justification. They are claiming these ancestral ties to the region. So it's entirely legitimate to say, okay, well, let's tease the sound a little bit. Because I think most people thinking about, like, you know, somebody who lives in Brooklyn and just going over and, like, stealing land from a family that's been there, you know, hundreds, if not thousands of years would say, this is, this is not really fair. This is not really

moral. This is not really logical. So completely fair to, to push on that. And especially, you know, Hugabe also talks about how there's not just Jewish people coming from Eastern Europe. With that ancestry, there's also people who are indigenous to the region. That is certainly the case. But we also know in this part of what we learned in the Epstein files that there is a deeply racist system, even of, you know, amongst different Jewish people within Israel. Go ahead. Ayud Barak laid it out there. He's like, oh, we don't want the right type of Jew.

We want the right type of Jew coming into Israel. We don't want these Mizra. What do you say, Mizrahi Jews coming in? He said we had to take the ones from Africa early on. But now we could pick the right type of Jew. And he preferred people who were new converts in Russia, who have then probably zero ties to the land over those, you know, you know, people that we had to take in from these other regions that we look down upon.

Yeah, pretty disgusting. Now, I guess, you know, at the very least, now turning to our own country, perhaps the most important question, why did the U.S. ambassador invite convicted spy Jonathan Pollard into the U.S. embassy? Mike Huckabee claims it was a 30-minute meeting that was scheduled just so Pollard could thank Huckabee for being nice to his then-deceased wife. But here's the drawdown, really, into the logic of inviting Pollard into the embassy in the first place. Let's take a listen. So this was the most profound betrayal of the United States in my lifetime.

Why advocate for that guy's release before he serves his full sentence? If that were the case in 2011, it would have been because I had a number of friends. It suggested that he had more than served time and he didn't want to live in the U.S. anymore. He wanted to live in Israel. But my association with him, again, I had never met him until I met him in Jerusalem at a hotel. That was the first time I had ever encountered him. Why meet with him in the U.S. Embassy? Your colleagues said they were shocked. Who were the colleagues that said they were shocked? Quoted on background in the New York Times. I think the meeting was in August. This could all be fake. That's why I'm asking you.

Well, the same New York Times said it was a secret meeting. And I'm telling you, there's no such thing is a secret meeting in the U.S. embassy. You see why the U.S. ambassador hosting a convicted betrayer of his own country who's encouraging Americans to continue to betray their country would seem shocking. Well, I would say that it wasn't that I, you make it sound like I'm hosting a meeting. I simply met with him. I meet with people all the time. You can just walk in without a...

No, they have to have an appointment. Of course they do. Oh, so it is hosting him that, I think. Well, I don't know if it was hosting, but it was certainly he was able to come the U.S. Embassy to have a meeting at his request. I did. And frankly, I don't regret it. I don't regret it. Whether he hosted him or look at this little weasel trying to get out of the fact that he did host him. And you know, at this point, I don't even expect anything more from Mike Huckabee. This is the humiliation ritual of this administration who is tolerating this behavior. They're putting people in charge over at the U.S. Embassy who do not see any issue with literally inviting a convicted spy. back on to U.S. soil. And Jonathan Pollard, let's not forget, not just his original crime, which was heinous. And as Tucker pointed out in the interview, passed on information, which was then

passed on to the Soviet Union. He has since encouraged all Jews in the United States to spy for the state of Israel. He has said publicly that Israel should threaten nuclear weapons against the United States if we encourage them to do a ceasefire. He attacked, by the way, even in terms of MAGA logic, he hates Trump for forcing the first ceasefire on Israel in the early days of the administration. This is who this guy is. It is as clear-cut dual loyalty, or I know, sorry, single loyalty as it gets to this, you know, to this state. And you're inviting this person who you advocated for their release. And even in the beginning, he's like, oh, well, many people said he shouldn't have to serve such a long.

Yeah, those people are all bought off by Israel, by the Israel lobby. Real intelligence officials said you cannot pardon this guy ever. You cannot release him early. You have to send a message that we treat all spies the same. He's the only spy that anybody, did anybody try to get Alder James out of prison early? No. Or I'm forgetting the guy from the FBI's name. But, I mean, both of these guys, they rotted and died in prison.

Good. And then here with this person, you know, oh, and he gets facilitated to Israel, gets like special treatment, released from his parole by the Trump administration in the first. term and now this, it's just too much. Like the humiliation ritual all around here, it disgusts me as an American. It's kind of amazing to me, too. I mean, Huckabee does not dispute any of Tucker's characterization of who Pollard is, of what he said, of the fact that he continues to advocate for, you know, Jews in this country to betray this country. He doesn't dispute any of that. He decides that his best defense is to quibble over the terminology of whether or not he hosted him at the embassy.

It's like, or whether it was really technically a secret meeting or not, as if that makes any difference whatsoever to the reality of what unfolded here. And, you know, it surprises me that he doesn't have a better defense given the fact that this was actually the spark of the, you know, the sort of like war of words between him and Tucker Carlson. This was really genesis of it. So we surely knew that he was going to be questioned about it. But I guess the answer is there really just isn't a good defense. The best you can do is say, well, I didn't really host him. I mean, we had a meeting. but I wouldn't call it hosting him.

And then it's like, well, you can't just show up at the embassy and get a meeting with the ambassador. Yeah, host me, Mr. Ambassador. Let's do it. Right. All right. I'll fly tomorrow, brother. So, yeah. And, you know, clearly he thinks that his little trick of being like, oh, well, it was the fake New York Times on background, blah, blah, blah, might work.

It might do enough to muddy the waters. But Tucker very cleverly is like, okay, well, maybe it's all lie. You could tell me. Like tell me what actually happened. Let's get into it. We don't have to take the New York Times word for it. You're sitting right here. So disgusting.

Last one. This one, look, this is a common talking point I hear from the IDF defenders in the United States. It never fails to discuss me more. You can say a lot about the United States military. Hundreds of Americans died to protect Iraqi and Afghanistan lives in the war on terror. Now, we shouldn't have been there in the first place. I want to be clear. We should never have been there.

They should never have been put into that position. But once they were, their lives were on the line. And in many cases, they died to prevent civilian casualties and to try at many times, sometimes, yes, failing, but oftentimes living up to the expectation that we will not conduct war in a certain way. So when I hear this bullshit from senior American officials, every U.S. service member, if you're listening to this, he insulted you. He insulted your command. He insulted every GWAT veteran when he said that the IDF is more humane.

Then the United States military, let's take a listen. Israel goes to links that no other country, including ours, goes to, in the middle of an urban war. And yet, Israel ended up with fewer civilian deaths in an urban war than any urban war of record. You said you didn't know how many civilian deaths there were. So how can you say that? If you took Gaza's numbers, Hamas's numbers, it would still be. You said you didn't know what the numbers are. We don't.

You just told me that. But how can you say it's a lower number? But if you took the largest numbers that have been reported out of Gaza by Hamas, let's assume they're true. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they are true, but assume they're true. Let's just take them at their word. Then you still have a lower number of civilians killed than in any urban warfare environment in modern history. Fact.

Is that a fact? Yes. What are you comparing it to? To any urban warfare. Name one. Iraq? Where in Iraq? And you pretended or alleged that somehow I'm not loyal to this.

You just said they did a better job than the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I said, what are the numbers? And you said, I don't know. So on what basis are you making the claim that the IDF in Gaza spared more civilians than the U.S. Army and Marine Corps did in Afghanistan and Iraq? Why are you saying that? Like, on what basis are you saying that? from the conversations that I've had with the people who fought there.

And I don't have the exact numbers for you. Imagine making that claim and then not even having some bullshit numbers to back it up. Look, you know, Tucker, if you watch the interview, I actually recommend you watch the entire segment because it's not just the interview. He does a good preamble. First of all, he dispels that bullshit myth about the detention. It was an actual detention. If you listen, and they haven't even disputed,

they were asking the producers where they work, who they work with, who they text, they took their passport, they're menacing them. I mean, this was serious. It was an actual like intelligence gathering operation. And remember, none of that is disputed currently by IDF authorities. They're saying, yeah, it's routine. We always harass international journalists. Remember that. So the description not only of the interview itself, but he said his main takeaway, this man is not working for the United States. He was like, when I interviewed this person, he is controlled. Every answer was sensitive and he seemed to be working on behalf of the Israeli government. I, don't think that you could come away with a different conclusion. And the only conclusion is if that's

the case, what does that say about our government, about the people that are supposed to serve us? I mean, again, I want to say, how can you let a spy on U.S. soil and keep your job? It's insane. How can you, as the ambassador, do an interview where you spark a diplomatic crisis with all of these Middle Eastern countries and keep your job? How can you insult the United States military and keep your, it's like over and over and over again. You are working on behalf of this foreign country. It's like you're a PR agent for this foreign country. And his tweets after have just been absolutely bat shit crazy. Like, let's go ahead and put some of these on the screen, guys.

We have the VO. Like, he's tweeted like dozens of times about Laura Lumer. Endlessly coping. It's just constant. Endless cope on the time. Which tells you how he knows that this interview went for him. Right. Because if you have one side in the interview that's having to just like endlessly cope and put this statement in that statement, amplify this person or that person who said something positive about their side of the interview, you know, they're trying to overcome something that went very poorly for them.

And can we talk about the Olympics? He, you know, is making the Jewish ancestry of one of the guys who scores the goal. in Team USA's game, he goes, what? The guy scoring goal for first USA gold medal is a Jew? Oh, my, I'm sure the Jew haters will say Mossad was behind it. I just say celebrate the incredible victory for USA and be grateful for his love for the USA and his team. Dude, you're the one making it about him being Jewish? I didn't even know who was Jewish.

Did anybody know who was Jewish? Nobody even cares if he's Jewish. Some of us do not have our minds so warped that we are constantly fixated on various identity or sectarian differences. I mean, woke does not hold a candle to Zionists and the way that they, you know, view the world through this hard sectarian lens. And, you know, this whole interview with Huckabee just really underscores the fact that the firmest, the most fervent supporters of whatever Israel wants, Israel gets, are Christian Zionists. So, you know, for all the people who want to say like, oh, you're anti-Semitic if you criticize, blah, blah, blah. And,

you know, this is Israel is directly linked to Jewish people and only Jewish people. And that's, you know, if you are criticizing Israel, criticizing Jewish people, no, like, look at the actual coalition of supporters here, right? Christian Zionists genuinely, if you pull the Jewish population, yes, there's a, you know, significant attachment to Israel, but it is far from lockstep, especially if you look at younger generations. And, you know, the last thing. I do want to say about like the most moral army thing is like, I feel like Israelis don't even claim that anymore. It's so ridiculous at this point. Right. Put it, put aside, you know, the civilian death ratios are very contested in both places. I think the clearest number say it was overwhelmingly civilians who were mass slaughtered in Gaza. But even if you don't want to believe those numbers, look, Abu Ghraib was a scandal in the U.S. And the reason it was a scandal is because we actually expected something more for. from our soldiers, from our military.

Whereas in Israel, they had protests over the right of IDF soldiers to rape their prisoners. Okay? That is a very clear moral contrast. And I am a vociferous critic of the way we conductor, of the wars themselves and the way we conducted ourselves in those wars. But we didn't institute a complete and total siege. We didn't brag about how we were going to starve people to death if they didn't comply. we didn't do, we didn't destroy routinely. There were hospitals that were destroy,

but we did not make it a policy of mass destroying hospitals, churches, schools, all of civilian infrastructure. Okay, so I don't know. It's incredible to me that he's even still pushing that narrative because I don't even think Israel, I don't even hear Israelis talking about that anymore. It's all just complete nonsense.

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Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic, Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different perspectives. and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood.

A son and Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chartside view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast, starting on February 24th, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. Joining us now is Professor Jeffrey Sacks, a great friend of the show to discuss the ongoing situation with Iran, maybe some tariffs. Sir, thank you so much for joining us again. It's good to see you.

Great to be with you. Thanks a lot. Well, let's kick it off. Unfortunately, we just did a long segment about Ambassador Mike Huckabee, but one of the more consequential answers was on war with Iran, even though the American people opposed this war. And he says that, yes, you know, we do live in a democracy. And our peon brains, they do matter somewhat. But also, policy considerations cannot be conducted by Paul. Let's take a listen to that. We'll get your reaction and get into all the details. How much does it matter what Americans think? Well, it matters every bit what Americans think. That's why Americans vote. It's why Americans have the opportunity to have free speech. We want them to have that. Okay. So what

percentage of Americans support a war with Iran? I don't know. Do you know? I do. I think it's run. I saw the numbers yesterday. I think it was like 21%. Okay. Is that enough to have a war with Iran? We don't live in a world where you have a poll taken to find out whether our policy should be a particular direction. Oh, I thought you just said that we've voted. No, we care deeply about it. But on the other hand, do we make the decisions of foreign policy? even domestic policy based on what the latest poll number is? So we don't actually care about it, a professor. So our very own interests and thoughts on the matter don't appear in our own government. Just give us your general reaction here to the ambassador potential now, war with Iran and the destabilization to our world order.

Well, in general, Huckabee should resign immediately, not for the segment that you played, but for the segment that if Israel takes over much of the Middle East, that's just fine. The United States government should immediately repudiate what he said. I think that every Arab nation in the Middle East that has been subject to Israeli-U.S. war since Netanyahu came to office in the mid-1990s, should call in the U.S. ambassador immediately. and ask if this is U.S. policy. By the way, it may well be U.S. policy because U.S. policy is dictated by the Zionist lobby.

And this is not an outrageous statement. This is a literal statement. This is, and Huckabee, by the way, is a core part of that lobby. He is the quintessential Christian Zionist biblical fundamentalist who wants to determine American policy, not by what Americans think, not by international law, not by American security, but by his reading of a biblical passage

from 2,500 years ago. The man needs to leave his job immediately. He's a disgrace. But worse than that, what he said needs to be repudiated by the United States government immediately. Is that our policy? If it is our policy, stated so, then the American people won't know that we are led by the most dangerous kind of delusion imaginable. If that is not our policy, stated that it is not our policy. Yeah. Let's go ahead and put the latest at New York Times reporting up here on the screen about whether or not we are headed to war with Iran,

their attempt to divine the latest sinking from Trump. The headline here, Trump considers targeted strike against Iran followed by a larger attack. So I guess we're in for two wars instead of one now. They say in part here, President Trump has told advisors if diplomacy or any initial targeted U.S. attack does not lead Iran to give in to his demands that it give up its nuclear program, he'll consider a much bigger attack in coming months intended to drive that country's leaders from power. People briefed on internal administration deliberations said. In addition in this article, they lay out one potential proposal to allow Iran to have some limited enrichment program for purposes of research alone. they're sort of holding this out, like maybe that would be face-saving for both the Iranians and the

Americans. You know, what is your sense of how real this diplomacy is and how likely we are to be headed back into war with Iran? Again, this is like being in a delusional dream world. Iran has said that it does not want a nuclear weapon, and it has said so for decades, and it is negotiated in that point for decades. And everybody watching should appreciate that an agreement was reached in 2015 called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, the JCPOA, which was reached in 2015 and unanimously adopted by the United Nations Security Council. It's an agreement of the P-5, the permanent five members of the Security Council, the United States, Britain, France, Russia, and China, plus Germany, in which the International Atomic Agency would rigorously monitor any activities of Iran's nuclear program to ensure that there was no nuclear weapons program,

exactly what Iran has said, that it is its policy and which agreed to rigorous monitoring. Now, what happened? Well, Trump, because he is a pawn of Netanyahu, ripped it up when he came into office. Trump did the bidding of the Israeli government. Why did the Israeli government want this ripped up? Because this has never been about nuclear weapons. This has been about Israel's regional hegemony in the Middle East. Israel wants to topple the Iranian regime, period.

It has said so. not a mystery. This is not my claim. This is Israeli policy repeated year in, year out. The whole idea that Trump is negotiating to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Duh? That was negotiated. Trump ripped it up. The Iranians have come back every year to say, we don't want a nuclear weapon. We want negotiations. The United States does not accept yes for a war. an answer because it works for the government of Israel. This is the point. Why does it work for the government of Israel? It's a little hard to understand. Maybe because it's of Mike Huckleby's parishioners, because of people who read the Bible and say, okay, that's our foreign policy. That's possible.

It may be because of what's in the Epstein files that haven't been released. It may be blackmail. It may be corruption may be many other things, but it is not about America's interests. We have no interest whatsoever in going to a war with Iran right now. If there is such a war, it's a war because Israel has told the United States what to do. And that raises a question, why has the United States done what Israel has told the United States to do for 30 years? And I don't just mean about Iran, I mean across the Middle East. Why did the United States bomb Libya in 2011? Why did Obama make a presidential finding that the CIA should topple Bashar al-Assad in 2012 Operation Timber Sycamore? Why did the United States follow Netanyahu's lead to attack and invade

Iraq in 2003, not on wrong premises, but on fall? pretences because Israel has had the policy that the United States should clear the way of any government in the Middle East that opposes Israel's hegemony. Is that our policy? It should not be our policy. That's a policy of endless war. That's a policy that has cost American $7 trillion in wars that never had to take place. And that's the policy that is pushing us to war with Iran right now. Why do you think Bibi Netanyahu showed up again in the White House just a few days ago he had to make sure that his vassal, Mr. Trump, would do the right thing in Bibi's terms that. By that, I mean the wrong thing. Right. Yeah. Professor, I just

Do you want to get your reaction. You're just talking about false pretenses. We have a new false pretense. We have the supposed negotiator, who I had some initial high hopes for, Steve Whitkoff, who has now turned into a complete disappointment, took to the American airwaves and is now claiming that despite Operation Midnight Hammer, some seven months ago, where we supposedly wiped out Iranian capabilities, they are now close to, quote, an industrial-grade bomb. Matt, can we go ahead and cue that one up? We're still trying to figure out what industrial-grade bomb means. Let's take a listen.

We have red lines here from the U.S. How about over with Iran? The president asked me that this morning, and he's, I don't want to use the word frustrated. It's almost because he understands he's got plenty of alternatives. But it's curious. He's curious as to why they haven't, I don't want to use the word capitulated, but why they haven't capitulated. Why under this sort of pressure with the amount of, sea power, naval power that we have over there, why they haven't come to us and said,

we profess that we don't want to be, we don't want a weapon. So here's what we're prepared to do. And yet it's hard to sort of get them to that place. So he's saying they're weeks away from industrial grade bomb and we just are so frustrated. Why won't they capitulate? You know, why they refuse to capitulate? First of all, they don't want a weapon. They want to negotiate a solution. They want to negotiate a solution with the International Atomic Energy Agency rigorously monitoring what they do. That has been true for 15 years. This is just nincompoops, honest to God. What do they think they're doing? By the way, I spoke to someone that is extremely knowledgeable about these negotiations. And there is no expert in the room in the U.S. side. Nobody that knows

what they're talking about. No nuclear experts, no one that is involved at a level of understanding what this is really about. Now, in terms of substance, what is true is that the bombing last summer did not stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon if it wants one. So all of the bravado of Trump that, oh, yes, we ended their nuclear program. This is the greatest thing since the history of the world began. This is total Trump BS from beginning to end. That's the world we live in. It's all BS, morning till night. No, it didn't stop anything. It was a useless attack that made the world a lot more dangerous. Could Iran get a nuclear weapon? Yes, it could get a nuclear weapon if wanted one. Could it be stopped from getting a nuclear weapon? Yes, under its own volition, it doesn't

want one. And it has said, we agree to all of the monitoring. We agree to the international controls. Trump is the one that ripped up that agreement. This is so confused, so upside down completely, it's hard to even begin to understand any of this. But I just credit Tucker Carlson with exposing one piece of this, how utterly bizarre the politics are at the top of the U.S. government. Completely bizarre, delusional. So that's where we are. Do you think those comments from Huckabee saying,

yeah, I'm good if Israel pursues, you know, greater Israel based on biblical prophecy or biblical promises. As he reads it, yes. Yes, exactly, as he reads it. Do you think that has any significant impact on some of the U.S. allies in the region who would be implicated by those comments? It's sad. The Arab world has been beaten down so long and so hard for centuries, by the way.

First by the Ottomans, then by the British, then by the Americans, then by the Americans, than by the Israelis. So they are so beaten down that when they see something like this, they complain, but they should do more than the complaint. It's actually a little bit sad if the lead American representative

in Israel says, yeah, if Israel wants to take over most of the Middle East, that's good with us. That's not a matter for complaint. That is a matter for an emergency U.N. Security Council session, that is a matter for this person to be relieved of duty immediately. That is a matter for the United States government to repudiate those words. That's a matter for the Israeli government to repudiate those words, though, unfortunately,

there are people in the Israeli government that have that insane grandiosity that's going to get us all into into World War III if we continue on this path. So, yes. ask you. So just to answer your question, Crystal, they're very concerned. But there's so much under the hammer all the time. They're really concerned about a war starting tomorrow. They're really concerned about any kind of retribution. This is the sad point. It makes no sense in terms of security, peace, honesty, what either side is saying. Just one more point. Marco Rubio said about 10 days ago, well, we don't want to just have negotiations about nuclear weapons.

This has to be about a whole range of issues. And the Iranian foreign minister, Araghi, gave a speech a couple of days later in Doha, a very fine speech, by the way, that said, yes, we could have regional peace, and here's a path to regional peace. And he laid out the two-state solution. He laid out mutual security in the region. The U.S. didn't pick it up at all. the mainstream media in the United States didn't even cover it. I went to the New York Times reporters. You are going to mention the speech. It was after Rubio said, we should have this.

Then the Iranians responded. As far as I know, they never even wrote about the speech. So we're in a kind of game, bizarre, delusional, dangerous world with the Mike Huckabee's. Oh, my God, this is the world we're in. Yeah, and professor, that's what I was really going to ask you about is this, you know, they, like you're talking about the New York Times, they present it as normal. We'll do a small attack followed by a larger attack. If it doesn't work. And you're like, wait, what? So you get two wars for the price of one, a small attack. And if it doesn't work, what does work even mean? Like that they're going to agree to what they've already agreed to and they continue to say that they will. The only thing they don't want to give up is their ballistic missiles for good reason so that they don't become an Israeli rub state, which is what they want. They're told, yes, we're going to kill you, we're going to destroy you, we're going to overthrow you. You have to disarm. If you don't want to be killed, destroyed, overthrown, you have to disarm.

So then we can kill you, destroy you and overthrow you. Of course, the whole thing is so absurd. And let me add another level of absurdity. The New York Times, which just distinguish itself every day in the propaganda and the falsity of its reporting. I'm sorry to say, every day reports. about the protests on the streets because of the economic suffering of the Iranian people. But they didn't report that our own Treasury Secretary, Bessent, on January 20th, in Davos, in a nonchalant interview with Fox business, said that it was America's policy to crush the Iranian economy,

to destroy the currency, to create a dollar shortage, to create a shortage of imports so that people would go out onto the streets. And then with a little smirk on his face, he says, we call this economic statecraft. And he says it's going in a very good direction. You'd think someone would ask a question. Maybe even write an editorial. Is this our statecraft to destroy other economies? especially ones that are saying they want to negotiate with us. And Mr. Whitcomb said it's about capitulation.

Well, come on. What a world. Sorry, this is so dangerous for us. And the American people know it. Well, speaking of Scott Bessett, and by the way, I learned from you that the way that he gained his wealth and prominence was from attacking currencies. So he is the man for the job there. He knows nothing about being a Treasury Secretary. He's there to destroy the Iranian currency.

Well, let's go ahead and turn to what's going on here in the U.S., which obviously also has major global implications, which is we got a Supreme Court ruling, striking down some of the tariffs authorized under AEPA that Trump has been using as a cudgel in various negotiations and threats around the world. First of all, just your reaction to the significance of. this decision, given that Trump is already saying, well, I'm going to use other authorities to try to accomplish the same thing. It's very significant because the Supreme Court did not buckle to the stupidity and the bullying that now guides America. When Trump launched the so-called reciprocal

tariffs, I had two reactions within the first minute. First, that the actual application of some stupid formula by our international trade representative was so primitive, you would not have thought a first-year student would come up with something so idiotic. So the incompetence was stunning. But the second point was I said, this is illegal. This is ridiculous. He doesn't have the authority as one person to revamp the American tariff system. That is Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, which says that the right to levy duties and taxes

belongs to Congress. That's why we created our country, by the way, in a protest about one person making taxation for the American colonies. It was obvious that what Trump was doing was illegal. It was obvious that it was stupid and that it would accomplish nothing if these people knew anything about international economics, by the way. And our deficit in goods went up in 2025. The employment in manufacturing went down by 83,000 workers in 2025. In other words, even on their narrow terms, whether it was legal or not, it was a complete failure. But it was predictably so.

The only thing I couldn't predict is whether the Supreme Court would cave in. But they did a very good job. and I salute the Chief Justice John Roberts, who's a classmate of mine, to, for his very clear, correct, bold opinion. Bravo. Now, there's another issue. Trump took from us illegally $140 billion. I want my part back. You should want your part back. They can't just say, oh, well, isn't that something we're just going to continue? They owe us $140 billion illegally taken through a brazen grab of power. He stole from us, returned the money. Canadian women are looking for more.

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Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with Man. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood.

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Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, doubt the case of Lucy Lettby, we follow the evidence and hear from the first. people that lived it. To ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Lettby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Lettby on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. To that point, sir, the Secretary of the Treasury is saying, no, we're not going to return the money. Matt, can we go ahead and queue up

D1 so that the professor can listen to Secretary Scott Besson, who you said there, who's like, no, we're not returning. There will be no refunds, and all of this will be litigated in court. Let's take a listen. Will you refund the roughly $134 billion in revenue taken by these emergency tariffs? Well, Dana, that's not the big question. Let's just level set here. What the Supreme Court did was a very narrow reading of the President's Authority under the AEPA tariffs. We have other tariff authorities which have been functioning, Section 232 tariffs,

Section 301 tariffs. And, Dana, when you say it's a big question, that's bad framing, because the Supreme Court didn't even address that. The Supreme Court remanded it down to a lower court, and we will follow what they say, but that could be weeks or months when we hear them. So the Supreme Court did not address refunds. Sure. They didn't address refunds. That is clearly going to be up to you, which is why it is. No, no, no, no, Dana, it is not up to me. It is up to the administration. It is up to the lower court. Let's just be clear on that. He's such a creep. You don't even know where to start. You stole $140 billion, give it back, Bessent, or just leave your job. You're not our Treasury Secretary. You're a thug to bring down the Iranian government.

Come on. You stole the money. You did it illegally. It was a brazener. and grab for power, take some responsibility, please. Let's go ahead and put D4 up on the screen because one of the other questions is like, okay, in the context of all of these threats of very high tariffs using this authority, there were a bunch of countries that did some sort of deal with the Trump administration. And now they're wondering what this means for them and those deals. I'm sure they're probably also having some potential buyer's remorse about giving into these threats given that this authority has now been deemed illegal and unconstitutional. So two questions

really for you here, you know, reflect a bit on these countries that did make deals. And then also, how much does this neuter Trump's ability to act like the mob boss and the, you know, the thug around the world since these tariffs were one of the things, tools in his toolkit for behaving that way? Great questions. First of all, the authority that Trump is using right now is also illegal. He's claiming Section 122 of the Trade Act, which says that in the context of a balance of payments emergency, that tariffs can be put on for 150 days up to 15%. We have no balance of payments emergency. He's doing it again.

This is a brazen abuse of power. This should be understood. This isn't just a technical workaround that, oh, I have five. ways to do it. He has maybe five ways to cheat, but he's cheating again, and he's deepening the mess. So this is the first point. What he's doing is illegal. We have no balance of payments emergency. I taught balance of payments economics at Harvard for 20 years. I can tell you we have no balance of payments emergency. So what he's doing is not. legal. Now, again, you can't predict what the Supreme Court will do, though we have more hope

this time around that they'll again say you can't do this. But of course, it's deepening the mess, the confusion. Trump keeps stealing our money. This is another point people should understand. I think that they do intuitively. Trump says that the other countries are paying. This is absurd. This is money coming out of your household income, and it's an average of $1,000 per household that was taken in this first round of illegal power grab. This isn't coming out of foreign countries. This isn't, oh, we're going to find another way to make them pay. This is the American people paying for this, not foreigners. And this is demonstrated all over the place in careful analysis, because,

the Americans paid the tax because the foreign exporters to the U.S. didn't cut their prices to keep the price the same. The prices went up. Duh. That's how it works. And so this is Trump stealing from us and Bessent stealing from us and is nonchalance. I don't care. That's a small deal. Yeah, $140 billion may be a small deal for you, but it's not a small deal for the American people and for people that can't pay their bills. Now, as for the other countries, they should say, everything stops. Are you kidding?

We got bamboozled, we got threatened, we got blustered. As Trump said, he liked how the countries came to kiss his ass. That's a quote. And of course they should say, no. No deals. What deal?

You lied to us. You cheated. Your Supreme Court tells you, tells us, you don't have this power, no deal. All on false pretenses, period. So the New York Times agonizing about this, my God, how weird is that? Who are these people, honestly? We're with you, sir.

I'm sure you know a few of them, yeah. I know a few too. I often ask, sometimes even they ask that question. Can we put D2 up here on the screen? Because I'm curious for your reaction. The only statutory authority they have now is about this 15. percent global tariff, which will be in place now. That's what I was just mentioning. Right, of course. But, and, you know, you've talked there about the illegality. But how are, you know, just the other countries, you think about Japan, South Korea, Britain, the EU, they came here. They made these fake promises to spend $5,000 trillion and invest. None of it will actually come to pass. But now you have this 15% tariff. It was raised from 10. It only has 159 days, I believe.

Sorry, 150 days to be put into place. And yet we could potentially have a 15% global terror. But how would that even affect the negotiation power? Like, that's my curiosity. Yeah, he has no negotiating power. Okay. Because this is not what he was doing before, which was like a madman throwing, you know, lightning bolts down from Mount Olympus saying, I'd punish you.

I'd punish you. I don't like the ad being run in Ontario. I don't like the lawsuit against former president Bolsonaro. I don't like you doing this. He was acting as if he just can punish and crush anyone he wants. Now, this is completely different. This is not emergency powers that he claimed that he never had. This is about a balance of payments crisis that actually doesn't exist.

So he can't bludge in and, and threatened other countries. And the other countries should say, well, excuse me, that was a bad year. You did a lot of bad things to us. You made a lot of threats that you didn't have the power to make. Let's just take a pause. Everything is set aside. Yeah.

And I think you know that it is a significant decision also, too, through Trump's reaction. He was lashing out at the justices, et cetera, and apparently exploded when he, when he, learned the news. The last question I had for is a specific one vis-a-vis Mexico and Cuba, actually, this tariff threat was one of the ways that Trump was trying to coerce the Mexican government to, you know, abide by this oil embargo that the U.S. is imposing on Cuba to, you know, keep them from sending oil to the island, which is deeply suffering now due to our economic warfare against them. Do you think this changes the calculus at all for the shine bomb government? I hope that it does. What Trump is trying to do to bring down Cuba in a regime change operation is also extraordinarily illegal and cruel and an act of war, actually.

It's a quarantine around Cuba, and it's absolutely unacceptable. And I hope that there is a solution because, again, economic statecraft should not mean the suffering of other people. It should not mean a Middle East that's aflame from Libya to Iran. If we had any decency at all, which I'm not sure is a term that can apply to our current administration or our deep state for that matter, we would not be doing the things that we're doing. Wow. Well, we always appreciate your analysis, sir. Thank you so much for joining us. Great to be with you. Hope we do it again soon.

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NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, aka neurolinguistic programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.