Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 2/5/26: Bill Gates Denies Epstein Allegations, Pundits Run Cover For Epstein Files, Trump Election Takeover

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

Krystal and Saagar discuss Bill Gates denies Epstein allegations, pundits run cover for Epstein files, Trump doubles down on election takeover.    To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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explosive allegations inside of the Epstein files. Remember that there is a specific memo which Epstein memorialized to himself in which he claimed that Bill Gates had passed on an STD to his wife, Melinda, and that he surreptitiously was trying to acquire some antibiotics to slip her. She did not deny the allegation yet. I mean, on its face, one of the most repulsive and disgusting things that a person could do. Allegedly, Gates has denied it. He has now denied it even more vociferously on camera. So here's his response to Melinda and to Jeffrey Epstein. Let's take a listen. A lot of very rich people, and he was saying he could get them, uh,

to give money to global health. You know, in retrospect, that was a dead end. And I was foolish to spend time with him. I was one of many people who regret ever knowing him. You've no doubt seen the allegations, including some of them from the last 24 to 48 hours. Are they true? No, the...

Apparently, Jeffrey wrote an email to himself. That email was never sent. The email is, you know, false. So I don't know what his thinking was there. just reminds me, you know, every minute I spent with him, I regret and I, you know, apologize that I did that. The problem is some of the things that he has sent and some of the information about other people that has come up in those files has been true.

Why would he do this and say this about you, do you think? You know, it's factually true that I was only at dinners. You know, I never went to the island. I never met any women. And so, you know, the more of it comes out, the more clear it'll be that, although the time a mistake, it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior. Nothing to do with that kind of behavior. Okay. You could take that for what you will. Meanwhile, here in the United, or sorry, meanwhile, across the ocean in the UK, there continues

to be an explosive political scandal. It is amazing. You know, Emily has criticized me because she said the least American thing about me was my love for the British system. And it's true. You know what? I remain vindicated. I love the UK. I love the parliamentary democracy. I love the fact that their head of state is a king or a queen, which is separated from it, and that they have a raucous PMQs where people get thrown about. They have a, they're of press. I love them the way that they go after the British tabloids and the way they've been going after Kierstarmor.

Which is particularly impressive, given that they don't have the same like freedom speech that we allegedly have. They can get sued at any time. The government can literally come in and censor them at any time. that they want. They have an anti-fragile system. They ditch their prime ministers all their time. When the prime minister loses the election, they fuck off into nowhere. You literally never hear of them again. They elect new leaders. They have a completely different head of state from the, from the head of government. They constantly are like reshuffling inside and rethinking different ideas. And their British tabloids are ruthless on their politicians. They have no expectation

of grace. I'm sure they have many of their own problems. And the UK people are shaking their head at me. But from afar, it's pretty amazing. I think the UK people probably prefer their system to our system. They probably do. Yeah, as much as they see the issues. They probably do. I love the city of London. You never smell any weed. It's an awesome place. You go to a great big city, great big architecture. There's not a scent of marijuana that is in the air. However, but with all of that said, what I have loved the most is you have these Epstein files, which get released. And then what happens? A full-blown crisis for the government. Because the prime minister appointed a close Epstein associate, Lord Mandelson,

as the ambassador to the United States. Photos come out, which are damning, disgusting, but even better is now you get insider trading allegations. What immediately happens? Scotland Yard opens an investigation. The prime minister takes to the House of Commons and is ruthlessly pressed by the opposition and forced to answer questions about this.

It remains a top story in the United Kingdom today. Polymarket traders are betting as of this morning that Keir Starmer himself could be out, you know, sometime soon. This is a real scandal. This is what a system, which is responsive to information, believes in consequences, actually looks like. So here's Keir Starmer being pressed in the House of Commons, specifically about the relationship with Mandelson, whether he knew anything about Epstein and Mandelso's connections before he was appointed here as ambassador. Here's what he had to say. Can the Prime Minister tell us, did the official security vetting he received mentioned Mandelson's

ongoing relationship with the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Prime Minister? Yes, it did. As a result, various questions were put to him. I intend to disclose to this House, all of the national security, prejudice to international relations on one side.

I want to make sure this House sees the full documentation, so it will see for itself the extent to which, the extent to which time and time again, Mandelson completely misrepresented the extent of his relationship with Epstein and lied throughout the process, including in response to the due diligence. He has to admit, I knew about his relationship with Epstein before I appointed him. And like I said, Mandelson, he's in trouble, not just criminal trouble.

They might strip him his titles. There's talking about using some law from 1783. I mean, their system is going full on. Meanwhile, over here, right now, the only people who have paid any price for the Epstein files, from my count, number one is Larry Summers, who might be the most high-profile person. Number two is Peter Attia may lose his CBS news game. May, still hasn't been announced. And three, the head of a law firm who sent some emails as of this morning has been replaced.

Yeah. So none of the billionaires paying a price. None of the politicians paying a price. Nothing. And yet over there. anything. Oh, yeah, criminal, forget about it. But over there, oh my God. I mean, it's a full-on investigation, accountability. Prince Andrew's getting his ass kicked out of the royal apartments. Sorry, Andrew Windsor, I think is his name now because he's been stripped. Apparently the

sentiment in Norfolk, the people over there are like, we don't even really want him here. You know, it's a full-on shunning. Like, it's a real system, which is having consequences for the people there. It's amazing to watch. Like, what a Western country. We speak all the same language, how they are completely acting in a different way than we are. Meanwhile, our DOJ officials are going on television and saying, actually, it's not a crime to party with Jeffrey Epstein. Not a joke. Todd Blanche, the deputy attorney general, said that on Fox News just the other day. Let's take a listen. Is there any chance that any of these individuals who partied with Epstein and engaged in you know, relations with minors will be prosecuted? Any chance? We, we,

I'll never say no. And we will always investigate any evidence of misconduct. But as you know, it is not a crime to party with Mr. Epstein. And so as horrible as it, it's not a crime to email with Mr. Epstein. And some of these men may have done horrible things. And if we have evidence that allows us to prosecute them, you better believe we will. But it's also the kind of thing that the American people need to understand that it isn't a crime to party with Mr. Epstein. It isn't a crime to have luncheon.

It doesn't look like that's all that was going on on some of those photos. I mean, if the photos could speak, some of them look pretty bad. Why does he have to say it twice that it isn't a crime to party with Epstein? Also, in some cases, it might be a crime to party with Epstein, but at the very least, and this is the thing about public officials, because over there, they removed him, Mandelson from his post as ambassador way before the criminality, a potential criminality, of being for insider trading was revealed. They were like, no, you can't be doing this.

You can't be sending emails to Epstein being like, oh, my dearest lovely friend, what's happened to you was an injustice. For them, they're like, we can't have this man as our ambassador. And yet over here, you know, you've got all these politicians, all of these high-level people, you've got freaking Commerce Secretary who literally lied on camera about his relationship with Epstein. Where is he? Nothing. Nobody's even calling for him to resign. Yeah, that's right. At least with Acosta, we got him out of here. And there's like no either, even expectation that that would have. I mean, I don't think the public has, the public has just been conditioned to expect that there's going to be complete elite impunity. And it truly, like, that elite impunity, which starts, you know,

starts long ago with the financial crisis, with the Iraq war, like, you know, no accountability for the lies that are sold to the American people, the crashing the entire economy. Like, this is one of the reasons why the country is falling apart. Like, this is a key reason. And so now, yeah, I mean, Lutnik is a perfect example, caught dead two rights, lying about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. We played the clip of him. Oh, my wife and I, the moment we met, we were so horrified.

We swore then and there. We would never have anything to do with this man who was my next door neighbor. And then fast forward, we get the emails, hey, me and my wife, we're going to come down to the island. Like, let's make our plans, et cetera, et cetera. Just brazen lies. And not even just the UK.

So in Slovakia, there was like a national security advisor who's had to resign. He resigned too. Because of his Epstein affiliation. So it is possible to have a society that continues to have some level of shame and consequences. But clearly we don't have that. I wanted to just mention with regard to the head of that law firm, was it Paul Weiss? I think it's the name of the law.

It's one of these really significant large-scale white shoe law firms, blah, blah. And it also happens to be the first, one of the first, if not the first, that capitulated to Trump's demands early on. on. Remember that when he first came in and all these law firms, oh, sure, we'll do your bidding. And yeah, we'll, you know, we'll do what you want. We'll do whatever pro bono work we want, et cetera, et cetera, which caused a mass resignation of a bunch of their, like, more junior associates. And also a falloff in the elite applicants to that firm. Well, that guy was the leader of that firm that was like the first one to capitulate to Trump, which again, like, is that because he knows he's got this relationship with Epstein that surely the government knows about. and surely Trump would know about and feels very much, you know, vulnerable and susceptible to what may come out. And so I think in a lot of instances, you know, with Trump, it's convenient for him to have a bunch of people around him who are compromised in similar ways to the way that he's compromised. Because not only can he be influenced by people who have inside knowledge of, you know, whatever he was up to with Epstein, but he also has that inside knowledge that he can deploy and use as a cudgel and use as a, you know, another little way to have additional.

power over the people in his administration. So, you know, it's not an accident that you have so many Epstein associates in this administration, both because the, you know, all elite networks are just apparently shot through with these people, but also specifically because I think Trump likes having Epstein associates around him that he knows of because that gives him an additional lever to use against them and additional power over them. Yeah, it's just that it's so sick watching these people with imputed. Also, again, just a memo to the U.S. press, we're allowed to discuss Israel and Epstein. We're allowed to do that. You know why? Because they discuss it in Israel. Put this up here. I love this. Again, you won't find a scrap of this on CNN. Meanwhile,

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is tweeting about Epstein's relationship with Aoud Barak, saying an amazing revelation about Aoud Barak that was exposed in his pedophile friend, Jeffrey Epstein. Aoud Barak suggests carrying out selection. among Jews and importing to Israel the right kind of Jews, those who are neither Mizrahi nor right wing. When the left and its Messiah, Ayud Barak, failed to win at the ballot box. They tried to replace the people. If that's not enough, they can always rely on Bennett and Lapid's Brotherhood of Brothers to team up once again with the Muslim Brotherhood. So the Prime Minister of Israel is acknowledging the relationship of Ayud Barak and of Jeffrey Epstein, Prime Minister Netanyahu, who, by the way, Epstein set up a meaning for Netanyahu.

Yahoo with J.P. Morgan. So it's not like his own hands are dirty. If he can acknowledge that, how come we can't? Right now, our Western press is obsessed with the KGB connection. And as Ryan has pointed out, guys, he really only made connections with the Russians on behalf of the Israelis, just so we're all very clear about that. But it's amazing. You know, every other country in the world, they seem to be taking it a little bit more seriously. Over here, it's just, you know, it's fun to talk about, I guess, and to cover as YouTubers, and that's great, but it would be a lot better if it were to be happening, I don't know, maybe at the highest level. But there's none of that. Yeah. None of that at all. That, it's worth just dwelling for a moment on the clip that Netanyahu is

talking about there. And just to understand a little bit of the internal Israeli politics, Netanyahu and Ehud Barak rivals. Barack is seen as more liberal. I think, you know, from his stances, I don't think he should qualify as liberal in any sense. But in any case, they have different coalitions within Israel. And in this recording, I'm not going to play the whole thing for you, but he was telling Epstein and Larry Summers that he told Putin he wanted a million Russians to convert to Judaism and to become Israeli. And he said exactly as Netanyang represents here. He said, you know, in the past, we didn't have the luxury of being so paid. So we had to take some of these people from North Africa. But now we could be more choosy and we could take,

you know, we could get better Jews to convert and become Israeli, which just shows you how deeply racist this country is and not only against non-Jews, but even within various types, you know, various ethnic backgrounds of jury within the state. And you can see that in terms of like the poverty levels and the treatment of people like, you know, that is abundantly clear from society. But he just says it absolutely outright to Jeffrey Epstein about his ranking of what the ethnic background and makeup of the proper more elite Jew should ultimately be. And it's just, It's just, again, so racist, so disgusting. And this is deeply embedded in the leadership thinking in the state of Israel.

Yeah, it's sick. All right. Let's go next. Just a couple more that we wanted to show. D5, please. Can we put that up there on the screen from the Israeli press who apparently, again, you know, able to do a job that we can't do over here. Pro-Trump billionaire on the Gaza Peace Board linked to Jeffrey Epstein and newly released

DOJ files. Mark Rowan, who the president apported to his Board of Peace, tasked with Reconstructed in Gaza maintained close real of connections with Jeffrey Epstein newly released documents from the Department of Justice Show, just to show everybody some of that. And then finally... Hold on. I got to... There's one other piece of this one that you will also enjoy.

So not only is he on this Board of Peace, right? In addition, he was spearheading the university crackdown and like the speech codes, the pro-Zionist speech codes that are being imposed on various. American universities, and do you know where he first made the case for this approach saga? Yeah, free press. Free press. Barry Weiss is free press. Which you probably fun.

Ding, ding, ding. So, and then he went on to make the case for it in New York Times or whatever. But that's who this guy is. Not only is he on the Board of Peace, but he's been busy cracking down on free speech and First Amendment here, you know, to protect the state of Israel. This is Rowan from Apollo. Okay, yeah, Mark Rowan. He's the guy, remember Apollo?

That was Leon Black's company. Yes, exactly. Yeah, so he, doesn't he replace Leon Black when Leon Black gets pushed down over his Epstein ties? That's right. And now, lo and behold, we... Now it's all clicking. It's all clicking for me. All right, here we go.

Incredible. All right. Last one, D6 up here on the screen. Crystal, you found this one. Maybe you can explain it. It was about the executor of Epstein's estate and the connection with the party at Palm Beach. Yeah, so this is just raises questions about Trump, of course, is always maintain how I cut off, you know, contact with him. When does he say like 2005 or something like that? And they had some dispute involved Virginia

Giffray, also involved a real estate deal, and they had some sort of falling out. Well, here you have an email from Jeffrey Epstein to, yes, the executor of his estate, who he was very close with and all of the like financial details of his life basically shared with this guy. And he says to him in December of 2016, so weeks before Trump is inaugurated into the White House for the first time, He says on the fourth, I'm in Palm Beach with all the Trump boys fun. There are some other indications in the emails that perhaps, you know, he still was very much in contact with the Trump family, if not Donald Trump himself, leading right up to his inauguration. And then, of course, we know he carried on this very long friendship and deep friendship,

apparently with Steve Bannon, who was very influential in the Trump administration, especially the first Trump administration, meaning we served actually in the government to begin with before getting kicked down over a whole thing that is, yeah, whatever. Anyway, so, you know, he saw, and he, in the emails, after Trump gets elected, he talks about how much opportunity he's going to have now with Trump in the White House and how happy is that he's there. So that's why this one is very significant is because it seems to indicate that, you know, if he's telling the truth here, that he was hanging out with probably, you know, Don Jr. and Eric, here weeks before Trump is inaugurated back in 2017.

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Did we mention it's free? Search two guys five rings and listen now. All right, so the Epstein files have become a little uncomfortable for a lot of people, especially people on the right predominantly, who thought that this was all going to be about just about Bill Gates or just about Democrats. And lo and behold, Donald Trump was, you know, very close with Epstein for a lot of years. He's all over, as a bunch of people in those administrations all over, Elon Musk, etc. So they've had to spin up a number of coping mechanisms to deal with the information that is being revealed in the Epstein files.

And there have been a variety of strategies we wanted to lay out for you here. Chief among them, first and foremost, we've got Bacha Ungar Sargon, who is always there when needed to defend some Trump insanity. Let's go ahead and take a listen to this. I'm just, okay, I just, I really agree with the president. I think that most Americans just do not care about this. This has been an obsession of elites on the right and now elites on the left. Elites on the right were obsessed with it

when they thought they could use it to hurt leftists and now the left is obsessed with it because they think they can use it to hurt the right. How do we know that until we have the evidence? I'm saying so far there has been no evidence of that. I'm looking through all of the documents and so far there is still no evidence. I'm open to me.

If you're missed to me, I just feel like it's like the obsession. I mean, bringing the Clintons in, it's ridiculous. Well, it is ridiculous. You said you just said you agree with Donald Trump. You just said you agree with Donald Trump. I'm saying it's time to move on. I think it's interesting.

You want to move on from this, but not from ballots in Fulton County from six years ago. I also literally said I am not interested in that story at all. This is one of the more preposterousers defense have actually seen, Sagar, that this is a fixation of elites. Are you kidding me? No, it's actually the opposite. It's the total. down left is right. This is the total opposite of that. We've had to drag the elites, kicking and screaming to even acknowledge that any of this exists. I mean, not to be too harsh, but Ezra Klein just months

ago was saying, well, I think he was a pedophile and I think it was also very well connected. I think those two things were totally separate. That's not harsh. It's just true. All these people thought that we were, how many, okay, I've been covering this story with you seven years, all right? For years, Epstein and UFOs were linked together. They're like, dude, why do you cover this shit? They're like, is it just like. I'm like, Hugh and none. Oh, you're just playing, you know, and I would always say, guys, I think there's something there. I'm not going to stop.

I still think it with UFOs, but we can put that to the side. My point is just around for years, it's actually been the people. So, like, if I go out into the street and if somebody's going to say that they appreciate the show, I would say probably a good half are going to talk about Epstein, like a good half, are going to talk about that. And we're talking about Uber drivers and hotel clerks or bus boys. It's not the people in Washington. In fact, the people in Washington thought I was a kook for the last seven years for caring about said story.

Yes. It is quite literally the opposite. Also, her claim that there's no other crimes in there is blatantly untrue, as we can already see from what just happened in the UK. Correct. Where there's a literal insider trading investigation. That's just one for the record. A high profile insider trading one, which involves the senior most cabinet officials of the fucking, one of the biggest economies in the world that happens to just. be one other crime in there. Correct. Just saying. Yes. And listen, for Bata, you know, when she can,

she likes to defend Trump. Although I will say she will criticize him at times. But you also, look, the Israel connections here, if you're being honest, are just undeniable in these files. And to the point about who is interested in covering the story and who is not, like elite media, legacy media still won't touch that angle with a 10-foot pole. So, you know, that's, and that's, she's very defensive of the state of Israel. And so I think that's the other part. of her motivation for why she wants to say, there's nothing to see here. All of you just have this elite fixation. It's the polar opposite of the truth. Elites hate this story because it offends like the true elites that really do have all of this sway here in the U.S. and around the world

doing these deals with each other and always looking out for one another and their own financial interests at the expense of everybody else. Of course, they hate this story. They hate that this was revealed. They fought against it tooth and nail, and it was the disgust and contempt of the population that forced even this little bit of transparency. So just utterly, utterly preposterous. We also had another incredible moment. This one from Jasmine Crockett, who was put in the position of defending Stacey Plaskett, who is the representative for the Virgin Islands, who is the only known congressional representative to have actually visited Epstein's Island, not to mention. She also was caught red-handed texting with Jeffrey Epstein during a congressional hearing and asking him what questions she should ask when it was her turn to query, you know, to question a witness.

Let's go ahead and take a listen. This is E2. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that. Stacey didn't initiate that chain. Jeffrey initiated that chain and she took the information, just like if somebody texts me. Yeah, but she was responding and saying, you know, what are you talking about quick? I'm up next. And then her questions were about Rona. But do you think that was a? inappropriate. I mean, would you text with someone who is a registered sex offender about what you should ask? I honestly know that he had never been convicted of any federal crimes at that time. But he had been in jail already. He had been in jail. And my deal is this. The Republicans are constantly texting with a 34 count convicted felon. So if it's okay for them to text him at any point in

time, then I'm not going to say that that's right or wrong, especially to the extent that you're talking about kicking someone off their committee. Were they talking about, where they're sexting? Was it a matter of her being involved in the pedophilia? No. And this is where, I mean, it gives the Republicans a lot of cover because, I mean, they can make the case. Look, and this, they're like, yeah, you only care because from a partisan, like, standpoint. And it's true. For most of these people, they didn't care until they realized, like, the lightball went off, like, oh, Trump was friends with this guy for a long time. And, you know, Bill Clinton kind of passes prime. Like, whatever, if you take some stories, we can deal with it. So, you know, here she is

acting in a purely partisan manner, just throwing out the what aboutism. well, what about what they do? What about what they do? Well, you know, if you want to be principled, you have to apply that across the board. And unfortunately, very few politicians willing to do that. Of course. And then even people who may have called for the Epstein Files release in the past may now be coming out and saying, actually, they shouldn't be. Let's put E6. This is a personal favorite up here. Katie Miller, the wife of Stephen Miller, says that the Epstein Files is a democratic hoax perpetuated on the American people. Why didn't Bill Clinton, Reid Hoffman, or Bill Gates push for Epstein's arrest or prosecutions by their friends during the Obama or Biden years in President Trump's first term? Epstein was arrested and jailed. In his second, he's released the file. It's curious why didn't these Democrats want justice before retweet by Elon, who himself was a major pusher of the Epstein files until it ended up being a bit of a rebound for him himself.

So it's just, you know, again, it's ridiculous, a democratic hoax. This is pure Trump language. You created, if anything, it's a hoax that you and the people around you said you were going to do something about it. Then immediately flipped on it. That's the actual hoax, just so we're all. Yeah. Well, and Elon, I mean, not only did he push for the files to be released, not only remember he said, look, I'm going to drop the real bombshell. Trump is in the files. It's just true. He just didn't mention he's also in the files. I mean, up until five seconds ago, he was saying there is no one who wants accountability for Jeffrey Epstein's crime more than me. There's no one who's been more steadfast in wanting these files released than myself. And now to come out and retweet Katie Miller being like, oh, it's all a Democrat hoax.

And I don't know why you people care about this anyway. It's just, I mean, it's just absolutely incredible. They just have no shame. These people have zero shame. Let's put E4 up on the screen here. This is an incredible one. This from Chris Rufo. And I've seen this line of argument pretty frequently online.

So you've got Megan McCain who says, is every conspiracy theory real? And Chris Rufo says, no, the Epstein files demonstrate that the most florid conspiracy theories were wrong, and that Epstein's evil was a banal philistinism and hedonism rather than something out of a spy novel. He used insecure rich people to legitimate his desires rather than to rule the world. Sagar, having delved into these emails, not just this release, but the previous releases as well, my reaction is the polar opposite of this. My reaction has been, wow. when I talked about like the deep state and the control of these capitalists globally and like the influences, I really thought of it in a little bit of a more amorphous way than when you see, I mean, there's another email that just came out about, you know, how he was plotting to loot Libya. And this is before we went in and took out Gaddafi and whatever and he's there. They have all these mineral resources. Here's what we could do.

Here's how we could get our taste. The deals that he helps, the connections he helped make with, you know, with Ehou, Iraq and very security companies. I mean, all of these and all the different countries that he apparently had sway and inside information into. I'm like, wow, it's incredible how much power this unelected pedophile had in the world. And not just him, right? He's part of, he's one spoke in the network. So my reaction is to be the polar opposite of this of like, oh my God, like the worst, most egregious version of my understanding. of how the world works was not even far enough

to how it actually runs and how this whole thing actually operates. Yeah, it's willful blindness. It's one which the right has broadly embraced because they don't want to grapple with the Israel connection. You cannot look at the Mossad, at the Aoud Barak,

at all of the different things that Dropside and others have unveiled about various security agreements and say that this was not a very proffer actor who was working on behalf of multiple foreign governments. Take a look at the one that I released about that email. to a KGB or sorry, FSP Academy graduate whenever he's asking for somebody

to help him deal with a woman who's blackmailing powerful individuals. Go ahead and take a look at multiple of the business deals involving Assad, Libya, you know, multiple of these other foreign governments powers, Putin as well, you know, Putin's Russia. Cote d'Ivoire. I mean, there's, you know, we can go on Somalaland, remember?

Yeah. Ordinary Philistines are not involving themselves in business deals with Somal land. period, end of story. This is not to even mention all of the arms trafficking allegations from his start and Iran-Contra, which birthed the very person who eventually steals all this money, maybe willingly from Leslie Wexner and all these other people, which launches the empire that we begin to know. So yeah, it's just, look, they need this to be true because it absolves Israel, foreign state. And also because it absolves like the general, like elite network, in my

opinion, which supports, you know, a lot of, not just this, but a lot of the politics and other things that they like. And it's very basic. Grapling with that basically requires a restructuring and replacement of the entire American elite, which is very inconvenient for a lot of people. Yeah. And which I support. No doubt about it. And just last piece here, just to remind you, like, the type of things that they're, they're hand-waving away, no big deal, nothing to see here. The other argument from Claire Lehman and Matt Tybee, oh, this is boring. I'm not even interested in this.

It's like, you've got to be kidding me. What is boring? I mean, first of all, this is not meant for your entertainment, by the way. Number two, getting a little bit of a glimpse into the way elite, money, power, and sex, the interplay of all of those things, and the way they use all of those things to, you know, put pressure on various people and to effectuate certain outcomes, in their benefit, like what could be more important possibly to understand? But in any case,

there's also just the disgusting horrific crimes that clearly, you know, were occurring here and that you also get a glimpse of in these emails. I mean, the number of utterly repulsive and disgusting things that I've seen reading through these things is astonishing. Put E1C up on the screen here. You can see the, you know, one of these emails. So here you have someone emailing Jeffrey Epstein and saying, thank you. you for a fun night, your littlest girl was a little naughty. And Epstein replies, great. Put the next one, E1D, put this one up on the screen. So you've got, this is like a French diplomat, Olivier Colombe, who Epstein is emailing with. And Epstein says to him, I'm on my

island in the Caribbean with an aquarium full of girls. And this guy says, the king of Saudi Arabia has a few white sharks at his Jeddah Palace. I totally prefer yours. Sure, I would enjoy the view. Epstein says, as to our Russian, I guess some might refer to them as white sharks. He replies, Olivia Colon replies, as long as you don't have any hammerhead ones, I like white sharks. And Epstein finishes by saying, no, some are like shrimp. You throw away the head and keep the body. Just utterly disgusting. And these exchanges are, you know, this is commonplace. They're a diamond dozen, yeah. In these emails, these type of exchanges. And I think that was what was also so shocking about the birthday book is it wasn't like there were one or two that were a little

risque and Trump's fit right in with the mix, you know, with this naked body and that, oh, every day is a beautiful secret. And what's the secret to longevity or whatever the hell he was saying? I mean, this bizarre and disturbing eyes wide shut shit. That was the whole thing. Everyone was writing him like that. Practically everyone in that book was writing to him some eerie, bizarre, disturbing thing. So everyone knew. Everyone understood. There was another one. Who was it? Oh, it was Acia that emailed him. You know, the crazy thing about knowing you is that your lifestyle is so wild and I can't tell a soul. Yeah. So that's what you're, that's what you're defending. That's what your hand waving away. Nothing to see here. This is boring. This is there no crimes here.

Nothing to look into. I don't understand why you care about this. And it's an elite fixation. You've got to be kidding me. That's right. All right. Let's get to elections. Canadian women are looking for more. More to themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world are out of them. And that's why we're thrilled to introduce the Honest Talk podcast. I'm Jennifer Stewart.

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And listen now. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Inaleck Lamoma. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point.

Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's Almermata, Moore House College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history. Martin Luther King's senior and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die. In 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone.

The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A building on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Got a little update for you guys on whether or not we're going to have free and fair elections or anything even approximating that. So we covered before Trump making the comments that he thought that Republicans should nationalize and take over the elections. He was asked about that, and he doubled down. Let's take a lesson.

What exactly did you mean when you said that you should nationalize elections? Which 15 states are you talking about? I want to see elections, be honest. And if a state can't run an election, I think the people behind me should do something about it. Because, you know, if you think about it, a state is an agent for the federal government in elections. I don't know why the federal government doesn't do them anyway.

But when you see some of these states about how horribly they run their elections, what a disgrace it is, I think the federal government, when you see crooked elections and we had plenty of them, and by the way, we had them last time, But go to 2020. Look at the facts that are coming out. Rigged crooked elections. If we have areas, take a look at Detroit.

Take a look at Pennsylvania. Take a look at Philadelphia. You go take a look at Atlanta. Look at some of the places that are horrible corruption on elections. And the federal government should not allow that. The federal government should get involved. These are agents of the federal government to count the votes. If they can't count the votes legally and honestly,

then somebody else should take over. But the Constitution says it should be states that administer elections, Mr. President. You know what? They can administer the election, but they have to do it honestly. So he says there again, they should have a federalizing of the elections, nationalize the elections, take over the elections. This comes on the heels of his former advisor, Steve Bannon, is still very, runs a very influential podcast, talking about how they're going to have ICE agents surround the polling places. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that. We're going to have ICE surround the polls.

come November. We're not going to sit here and allow you to steal the country again. And you can whine and cry and throw your toys out of the pram all you want, but we will never again allow an election to be stolen. So this is, you know, what a lot of people left of center have been concerned about is that the ice budget, which is extraordinary and the number of agents that have been brought in or continuing to be recruited and brought in could be deployed in this manner as an intimidation tactic. And I mean, you can easily understand how this works, especially with how much they've been willing to harass people regardless. You know, it's not any sort targeted enforcement just based on their skin color, based on whether they have an accent or not.

So here is Steve Bannon openly floating, hey, let's have all of these ice agents go and surround the polling places in November. And, you know, then you have the president himself floating some pretty wild things. Yeah, I mean, I'm not to cope. Bannon enjoys. being the vanguard of third termism of being the person. What, as I understand it, and again, this is just an explanation from Bannon or Bannon around the, what the way they do. You cling to Trump on some of the most insane stuff so that you can criticize, remember when he would criticize Elon and he called him Elmo and he would go after him. Or consistently, actually, if you watch the Bannett show, they'll attack economic policy, even immigration enforcement more recently, all of these other things. But you have to give Trump or the White House something that he can show you.

And so with the election, I mean, remember with the election, stop the steal, they were all in, always have been from the very beginning. They were all in on third term. He continues to talk about how President Trump's going to get a third term, stolen election from 2020. And as we've said, like what we're going to get to with Tulsi, this is the quickest and easiest way for resuscitating your reputation. Just the other day, Trump, not even three days ago, Trump posted a photo of Peter Navarro and of Steve Bannon, two men who literally went to. to prison for Trump, and so Trump will never abandon them because of stuff like this. Again, not to cope, because I'm not saying that it's not going to happen. F2, can we put this up here on the screen?

But one, at least decent thing now so far is what they're saying is, while Trump repeats call to nationalized election, White House walks it back. They're saying Trump was referring to the Save Act, which was, it's a piece of legislation that which Republicans have been trying to pass through, which requires proof of citizenship whenever you have to vote. They actually didn't even ask to be added to the government funding bill, which a lot of Republicans wanted it to be.

So if he was actually calling for it, he would have pushed for that to be part of that. He didn't. So it's not like he actually was talking about it, but just putting and demonstrating how, in this one, it is his wildest fantasy. He would do it if he could, so we cannot rule it out whatsoever,

considering the way that the White House is there, but there doesn't seem to be some operation or plan or any of that. However, people should still be upset, concerned and if there's more stuff, especially, I would say the Tulsi Gabbard stuff worries me the most. More than anything. That's the one where I'm like, this is some crazy ass shit. I was going to say, there clearly is some level of plan because you have, not only, you have the Tulsi Gabbard, you know, the rating of the Fulton County election headquarters, we can go ahead and put up on the screen F5. You have Tulsi going to Puerto Rico and investigating voting machines for some supposed

tie to Venezuela, which again again, then again ties back to the fact that they've got Maduro in custody. And, you know, the concept has been floated. And I think it's increasingly plausible that they'll strike a deal, plea deal with Maduro in exchange for him saying, oh yeah, we totally rigged the elections in 2020 for Joe Biden, sir. And I mean, he'll say it to get out of prison. I don't mean, I don't have any doubt about that. And, you know, and Trump will accept it and they'll be able to spin these conspiracies. use and critically, it's not just about like, you know, and then Trump gets to say he was right about 2020, use that as a pretext to say that's why you can't trust Fulton County. That's why you can't trust Philadelphia. That's why you can't trust Detroit. That's why we have to take over the

election plus. So why we have to send in, you know, our ICE agents or whoever to surround the voting places and make sure it's all free and fair. It would be a pretext to take all of the actions that they are putting out as trial balloons right now. And so I don't think what you're saying about Bannon is cope. I don't think his motivations for it, you know, just to stay on Trump's good side, I don't think that has anything to do with whether or not these are like real things that are being floated and ideas that Trump is enthusiastic about it or certainly susceptible to. So Tulsi, who again is the director of national intelligence and all of these things that she's doing. And by the way, there's some whistleblower thing about her. God knows what that says. And whether that

also gives them again more leverage over her to get her to go out and do the dirtiest dirty work that this administration needs done, that's another important thing to keep in the background. You mentioned the, you know, ban on being at the forefront of the Trump-2020 third-term push. Well, Trump, we're going back to F-1B now, guys. Trump got asked also in the interview we played a few clips from that NBC News one about whether or not he would rule out a third term, and of course he wouldn't. So let's take a listen to that. On January 21st, 2029, do you see any scenario where you were still president? I don't know.

It would be interesting. But wouldn't it be terrible if I agreed with, you know, if I gave you the answer that you're looking for, it would make life so much less exciting, right? It would be so much less exciting. But I only do this for one reason. Make America great again. And that's what we're doing. We're making America great again, greater than ever before. Our country is greater than ever before.

Actually, Mr. President, I think a lot of us would enjoy it quite a bit more if you would just actually answer that question straightforwardly. Well, he wants the freak out. He likes the media. He thinks it's funny. I mean, that's where what I find interesting is that many of the stuff which used to go viral. Trump trolling the media,

it doesn't hit the same anymore. I can't explain why. I'm telling you is somebody who, I'll never forget when Trump called CNN Fakes News, Jim Acosta. It was electric. Loved it. Now I'm just like, you know, it's something about it. I feel the same thing, too.

It's been 10 years. I'm not entertained by it anymore. You're not fucking funny to me anymore. Like, I'm just sick of you. I actually might be exactly almost 10 years. It might be more than 10 years because that was 2016 right after he been elected. At that time, it was extraordinary. That was when the term fake news got coined.

Now it's been 10 years. It's just not funny. It doesn't seem funny. The reality of the situation just seems much more depressing. It's like, hey, man, you know, we, because of ICE, we kicked a whole block about housing. And it's like, there was an entire block we had prepared to do where Trump is like, I actually want housing prices to be higher. It's like, no, man.

Like, we're living in a different universe now. Like, it's like we're worried about 6% interest rates, which you allegedly are too, but not much is happening, you know, with any of that. We're talking about high inflation. We're talking about it's been 10 years. You know, literally have a child now and I'm going to get my Trump bucks from my Trump account. But it's like, what is that going to be used for? Is it even going to be worth anything 18 years from now?

Like, these are the worries on my mind, at least. And I'm sure there's a lot of other people who feel that way, too. The humor in it, it doesn't hit in the same way. We're going to try to get to that housing block tomorrow, by the way, in the Friday show. So we'll see if we can get to that. It's going to be a rare super, super, super commie takeover tomorrow, by the way. It could be me and Ryan and Max. So prepare yourself for that.

Wear your Che Guevara shirts and be ready for a good time. In any case, one more for you. To your point, Zagraba. I mean, just, like, everyone knows this is near and dear to Trump's heart. This is like the loyalty test. Everyone coming to the administration had to go along with the idea. 2020 was rigged and stolen, blah, blah, blah. And like I said before, this isn't just about the past.

This is about using these claims that 2020 was rigged as an excuse to take over or intimidate or whatever with regard to the midterm elections. And so not only you have this Tulsi-Fulton County, Puerto Rico, Venezuela situation, you also, they have sued something like 20-some states to get their voter rolls. They tried to pressure Minnesota with the federal agents to seize, their voter rules as well. So they are workshopping some things. I don't know how fully fleshed out the plan is, but clearly they're throwing some things at the wall right now. In any case, Mike Johnson was asked about Trump calling for Republicans to nationalize the elections,

and he is right on message with exactly where Trump would want him to be. Let's take a listen to that. What you're hearing from the president is his frustration about the lack of some of the blue states, frankly, of enforcing these things and making sure that they are free and fair elections. We need constant improvement on that front. I don't know what the ultimate solution is going to be. I'm not going to get ahead of the negotiations here, but I think that is something that's going to be a continuing theme here. It's something that will continue to push, and we hope the governors will insist upon that same thing as well. In some of the states, like in California, for example, I mean, they hold the elections open for weeks after election day.

That's just one thing that bothers so many people. We had three House Republican candidates who are ahead on election day in the last election cycle. And every time a new trial, of ballots came in, they just magically whittled away until their leads were lost. And no series of ballots that were counted after Election Day were our candidates ahead on any of those counts. It just, it looks on its face to be fraudulent. Can I prove that? No, because it happened so far upstream. Can I prove that? No, but that won't stop me from making all kinds of wild claims and backing up Trump in his utter delusions. Yeah, it's one, look, it's not great. I don't think there's another different way to say it.

It potentially could be full-blown freakout time, especially if the Fulton County thing goes crazy and it's bad. Can I say I'll end on a positive note here? One thing going back to our block about the ice drawdown and Trump's saying we're going to ask before we go into cities in the future, it indicates whether they persist in that or not. It indicates they at least still care someone about public opinion, which is a good sign. Because when they operate like public opinion doesn't matter at all, that's when you should. should feel really, when they're moving, like, we're not going to have to face the voters ever again. That's when you should be most concerned. Now, I think all of this is very dire, and there are all sorts of gradations of how aggressive they might be. There's no doubt they're

going to try to mess with the midterm election. I mean, they already are with like their redistricting and all of that sort of stuff, but that's still in the bounds of like, okay, we've done this before, maybe not quite in this way. This is more aggressive, but we could, you know, we could put the pieces back together. There's, you know, there's that. And then there's things that are just wholly unprecedented and really are aimed at like ending democracy, making it. So it's impossible for an opposition party ever to win. That's a good point. And actually this gets to, you know, every time that it's gone too far, that actually relies on what I've said. I go, look, you can freak out and you can be upset. You're watching what happened in Texas. You are

literally watching the current democratic process play out where the Democrats have held up funding and are now going to have two weeks to negotiate. Already, all ICE officers are going to be armed with body cameras as a result of Minneapolis. Multiple judges have thrown out the most extraordinary tactics. You've had the TPS thing that gets held up. The Supreme Court eventually will strike down tariffs. Not sure what the fuck that's going to happen, but it eventually will. It's like, you know, the argument that there have been no guardrails, no checks and balances is actually not true.

And your point as well about, like, when they start acting, if they don't care anymore, we're probably in a very different situation. And a government which draws down in Minnesota, which immediately pivots, which, by the way, if you think that they're not listening on the affordability thing, take a look at some of their more recent interviews. Everybody other than Trump, they know it's a massive problem. And they're trying to hammer that home. So you can see. It's not like they've given up or anybody else should either. So there you go. All right. Inspiring. That's what we can do.

It's always darkest right before it's completely black. Allegedly it was a chairman malquote. Okay. All right. Thank you, everybody, for watching. We appreciate you. Comey takeover on a Friday show tomorrow. See you all then.

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