Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 2/9/26: Trump Posts Obama Ape Video, Superbowl AI Ads, Bad Bunny Reactions, Dan Osborn & MORE

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

Krystal and Saagar discuss Trump deletes Obama ape video, Superbowl ads, halftime reactions, Dan Osborn joins the show.   Dan Osborn: https://www.osbornforsenate.com/      To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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blah, blah, blah. This, of course, coming amidst the seizure of ballots down in Fulton County and Trump making all sorts of wild comments. And then here you go. There is Michelle Obama and Barack Obama, you know, in this just undeniably racist depiction. This was apparently part, that piece right at the end was part of some Lion King video that included, you know, this depiction here. So there was actually some reaction from Republicans on this, who for whom it was, you know, even for them, a bridge too far. Initially, the White House puts out a defense of this tweet. Let's put this up on the screen and tries to shift blame. So they say, the White House is deleted the apes video. Any person familiar tells me, President Trump did not see the video. Legitimately didn't,

a staffer posted it for what it's worth. Only a small handful of staffers have access to his truth social account. So that was the initial line for the White House. Like, oh, Trump didn't, it wasn't him. It was a staffer. They didn't see that part at the end. Trump had no idea about this video, et cetera. And the pressure, let's put the C3 up on the screen, the pressure came from, there were maybe like roughly 10 Republicans in the Senate and the House who expressed some sort of upset about this. Perhaps most notably, Senator Tim Scott said praying it was fake because it's the most racist thing I've seen out of this White House. The president should remove it. And then we have this New York Times tear sheet that gets into

some more of the criticism here. You know, you had Thomas Massey actually yesterday when he was doing the Sunday show rounds also saying it needed to be deleted that they needed to apologize to the Obamas over this, et cetera. New York Times analysis saying here that, you know, sometimes even this president can cross the line. Let's put the next one up on the screen. We've got this defense from Pastor Mark Burns, who is closely affiliated with President Trump, who is himself black. So he said, I just spoke directly with President Trump regarding the offensive Obama ape video that circulated online. The president assured me clearly and unquivocally.

He did not post it. Okay, so that's the line still coming out here. He understands the painful and racist history in America of depicting African Americans as apes, a tactic long used by white supremacist to demean black intelligence and humanity. He knows this is wrong, offensive, and unacceptable. President made it clear to me this post was made by a staffer and not by him. My recommendation the president was direct and firm. The staffer should be fired immediately.

the president should publicly condemn this action. This kind of insensitive and racist communication is not reflect the heart values or leadership of the president of the United States, nor does it represent the America we are striving to build. So you can see they're trying to craft this narrative about, oh, Trump didn't have anything to do with this staff and it was just at the end and he had no idea, blah, blah, blah.

And who jumps in to blow up that entire narrative coming from the White House, but Trump himself. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that. A number of Republicans are calling on you to apologize for that. Is that something you're going to do? No, I didn't make a mistake. I mean, I'd look at a lot of thousands of things.

And I looked at the beginning of it, it was fine. They had that one post, and I guess it was a takeoff. By the way, a lot of people covered. If you look at where it came from, I guess it was a takeoff on the Lion King. And certainly it was a very strong post in terms of voter fraud. Nobody knew that that was at the end. end. If they would have looked, they would have seen it, and probably they would have had the sense to

take it down. But that was a takeoff on the Lion King. And a lot of people were covered in different in different positions. But I spoke to Tim Scott. He was great. Tim is a great guy. He understood that 100%. So not only I didn't make a mistake. I looked at the beginning of it. So this idea was a stubborn. No, no. He's saying no, I looked at it. I watched it. I loved the election fraud part. That was great. He says, then he looked at the end, and that's just a take off on the Lion King, you know, maybe if we had looked a little closely, we might not oppose it, but it was just a take off on the Lion King. I made no mistake here. There's no problem. And Tim Scott is cool with it. Here's the words of Trump himself, October 22nd, 2015, the young intern who

accidentally did a retweet apologizes. That's, so it's all, it's all there. I mean, the only defense is that he was actually posting a, what is it, the crazy election fraud video. Right. which happened to have this auto play at the end. I do think that this is a good view into the current government and actually why people have such difficulty trusting literally anything they say because the TikTok, one thing we forgot is that Caroline Levitt actually did defend the original video because clearly she had not gotten to the point where they were going to disavow it. Caroline Levitt was like, it was a satirical Lion King thing, you guys have no sense of humor.

And then immediately afterwards, Tim Scott, Roger Wicker and all these other people, Post, they're like, oh, this is terrible. Tim Scott calls a president. And then the leaks came out and they're like, well, unequivocally, he didn't see it. Right? And so they're like, he didn't see it. The staffer who did it apologize. From what I know, and I actually ask, there are only three people who have actual nighttime access to the truth social agreement.

It is Trump, Dan Skavino, and then his aide, I think her name is Natalie Johnson. Those are the only three people who have any access to the truth social account. Also, specifically at night, is it more likely that those two aid, Scevina, who I think just got married, and then his younger aide, is the one that's scrolling on truth social and reposting hundreds of things, which we happen to see from Trump every single night. What's the more likely story than all of this? I do think it's interesting that he deleted it, actually. If you had asked me at the very beginning, I'd be like, no, they're going to defend this thing to the beginning. I have no idea. The New York Times piece, it kind of, you know,

showed you the whole, like, immune from politics. One thing that I think is beginning to sink in for the White House is that bat-shit behavior like this. Because again, the only defense is guys who was just posting an election fraud video. Which I do believe, by the way, considering what happened. This Epstein affordability, now Iran, they clearly are in a very defensive posture. I think they know things are bad.

Oh, and ice. I forgot ice. That was a number. What preceded the Epstein story? Two weeks of ICE shootings and stories, literally across the country, where Trump bucked, sent Tom Homan basically surrendered in Minneapolis, and now you've got this.

Now currently, then you had the Epstein situation. Now you've got a bad news cycle again that just continues and doesn't seem to go away. I have not seen the White House this week in quite some time. Like, this is the weakest I have ever seen the White House. I would never... And by the way, that's why I think Trump refused to apologize

because his instinct is always never to give in. But, oh, and then blinking on the Iran talks, remember? I mean, there's a lot of stuff here where I haven't seen them this on the back foot in quite a long time. Yeah, and I mean, also you have the dynamic with Republicans where now we're heading into the midterms.

Yeah, right. There was another, actually, there was just another election that was really bad for them to really, you know, massive shifts towards Democrats. There was one down in Louisiana as well, where the Republicans actually thought they had in this House, like state house seat down in Louisiana. It's a Trump district.

Louisiana has some of these places that used to vote for Democrats locally and then they vote for Republicans nationally. You know, that realignment has obviously completely had. They thought that they would be able to pick up this seat. And no, it was a Democratic absolutely blowout. So they're looking at these things. They're looking at what happened in Texas.

They're looking at the polls. Number Republicans who are in even somewhat vulnerable seats are going like, I don't know about all this. And also reckoning with like Trump is not going to be around forever. So you have that going on in the background here too. So I don't know. There was something like 10 to 12 Republicans who said something, which on the one hand is pathetic.

It's pathetic, right, given the content of the entire video from the election fraud nonsense and then, of course, the, like, brazen, racist part of the video. On the other hand, how many things have we seen, especially with Trump's, like, post or uncouth comments or whatever, where any number of Republicans comes out and says. So, you know, that coupled with the fact that they at least felt the need to do some kind of damage control on it. and ultimately delete it is different than what we've seen from this Trump 2.0 in particular. And that's why I think this is the story because I'm like, wow, when's the last time Donald Trump apologized or deleted anything?

And I think they, again, also the Republicans who spoke, Tim Scott, okay, whatever. But let's think about something, Roger Wicker. I mean, these are people you don't hear of, right, but who are actually very powerful in the U.S. Senate. When those people start to throw off, it's, it wasn't just Tim Scott, Susan Collins, and Lisa McCaus. like the typical crew. It was people who are powerful, people who have a decent hold in the United States Senate,

and I think one of the things that the White House is now grappling with is social media. So if you were to take a poll right now for the same social media vibe kind of stuff that helped Donald Trump win the election in 2024, let's check back in.

I mean, I'm asking everybody who watches this show, check your friends' Instagram stories. What's it running? 90-10, whenever it comes to liberal versus conservative content, or let's call this, anti-Trump versus pro-Trump content, I mean, the pro-Trump stuff seems dead on arrival to me, especially at like a cultural vibe-based level. This is exactly the type of thing, which, I mean, it was already going pretty viral because,

I mean, the screen grab is like insane, right, like of the literal Obama's portrayed as apes. That is literally like a post that could just rocket all around the world. And I do think that this is significant enough of a story in the context of all of the backdowns that we've seen from Donald Trump so far. And I do think part of the problem is that there's an entire ecosystem on Twitter, of course, because what happened immediately

after the post came out? Everybody defended it. Because they assumed. Right? Because they assumed that they... That's what the White House would do. And then it's funny because the White House is the one

which is backing away. But remember, everything works in incentives. And the incentive structure right now is to never apologize, we'll always defend. And it's, you know, when you have to deal with national politics and not a bunch of people on Twitter who are, like, posting all the time.

you're actually in a different universe. I really think the right has the same problem of the left had up with Twitter for years. I absolutely 100% believe that. And I saw something recently about like the, you know, the content liberal versus conservative on a variety of social media platforms. And Twitter of the mainstream ones,

not like true social, but like the mainstream social media platforms, was the one that had the most conservative content. And so, you know, and that's a place where Saga and I spent a lot of time in terms of preferring the show, et cetera. And so, you know, even I think we get like a distorted view of things because it is much more skewed right than other platforms. And even Twitter is not nearly as conservative in all of the posting as it was at the peak of, you know, of pro-Trump sentiment.

One more, and this will help us transition to the Super Bowl block. You know, there's this whole thing about free out about the bad bunny halftime show, blah, blah, blah. And Trump posted about it. We'll get to that in a moment. But I thought this was interesting. So Jake Paul posts this anti-badny tweet. He says, purposefully turning off the halftime show. Let's rally together and show big corporations that can't just do whatever they want without consequences, which equals viewership for them.

You are their benefit. Realize you have power. Turn off this halftime. A fake American citizen performing who publicly hates America. I cannot support that. And then so I saw that last night. And this morning, I wake up to Jake Paul doing all sorts of like. tweeting about, well, you didn't understand what I meant about fake America.

Like, I actually love Puerto Rico, blah, blah, blah. He lives there. And I know, he moved there for tax advantages, by the way, which is like, you know, crazy. But I saw his own brother come out and be like, I love my brother, but I disagree with him. I think Puerto Rico's great. And I think it's awesome that they were able to celebrate their heritage. First of all, they don't give a shit about Puerto Rico. So that's kind of that thing.

The only reason they move there is to get free crypto capital gains. Google it if you don't know what I'm talking about. Exactly. But, I mean, the point was, to your point about, like, vibe shift. Yes. You know, do you think that this Jake Paul tweet in the past that he would have felt the need to, like,

in multiple tweets, he didn't understand what I meant. And I, you know, what I really meant it this way, phrased it poorly, blah, blah, and his brother coming out and being like,

I don't, I don't agree with that at all. Very different cultural moments. I'm going to call it now. I think there will be a tremendous backlash to the UFC fight at the White House in 2020s. Massive. They were riding high. They had a little paramount deal.

Dana White, obviously, you know, him and Trump are all friends. I think that the U. I think it will massive. massively backfire. This is just me. I'm calling it now, though. I can just, I can sense and I can smell where things are going. I don't think it's going to work out well for them. Okay, let's get to Cal Sheet. Canadian women are looking for more. More out of themselves, their businesses,

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They're betting on who will win? Will Invidia run an advertisement? What song Bad Bunny will open with? Will someone say the phrase, now here's a guy? Will Timothy Chalamee be there? And they're even betting on the coin toss. Oh, sorry, not betting. I mean, they're buying event contracts.

They're trading assets. It's investing, really. Definitely not gambling. They want you to believe that you can make money on these investments. Never mind the fact that 70% of people lose money and most of the profit is taken in by an insanely small number of traders, 0.04%. Second, gambling in the United States is more strictly regulated than investing. If this is gambling, they have to deal with state gambling commissions. They have to follow those laws and build in protections. Since this is apparently investing, they're instead regulated at the federal level, which means fewer rules in general, bypassing state laws, just paying normal corporate income taxes, and putting gambling in front of Americans everywhere.

And wouldn't you know that that strategy has been tremendously successful? It turns out that the Kalshi Super Bowl market alone was some $900 million as of yesterday. So that was just on Kalshi, not even including Polymarket. I'm still waiting on data from the American Gaming Association on the total amount spent on the Super Bowl. It's a bit sketchy. Last year, they said $16 billion was wagered. This year, they're predicting $1 billion. That doesn't seem to line up.

So I don't know which number is yet going to be correct. So I just want to lead with, if Kalshi alone is a billion, you'd be willing to bet that Draft Kings, Fandul, Polymarket, and all of that is going to be much, much more than that. But this gets to this entire idea of regulation and rot in our society. So if you happen to watch the Super Bowl, yes, I know that a lot of the discourse was around Bad Bunny and all of that. But the one that's really stuck out to me, Mac, if we have this tweet, is from Andrew Solander, who says, my takeaway from the Super Bowl is that the entire American economy is being propped up by AI, weight loss drugs, cryptocurrency, and gambling. That's basically it. If you watch, oh, and sorry, Lays chips, by the way. Lays chips, and then Duncan, all right?

I mean, out of all that, dunk in the least objectionable. I mean, just take a look at what we are. It's like obesity, gambling, AI, data centers. And, you know, I texted this to a friend and he goes, well, not technic correct. Those are just the industries that make enough money to buy Super Bowl ads. The rest of the economy is healthcare, which exists entirely because of regulatory capture and the fact that we, you know, remove subsidies. So actually, no, the healthcare industry is doing really well.

They don't need to advertise for you because they have a gun to your head to force you to buy their product. So that's the United States. This is America that we're in. We will be there soon. Don't worry. This administration will help them. And it just, I mean, it just cheapens everything. You know, like can we say with confidence that none of the players in the game were like on the take on any of this?

And because remember, we're not talking about just, you know, overall bet who's going to win and by how much? It's like all of these little micro-prop bets that you can place. that make it so easy to game. And we've seen this, you know, time and time again, we've seen indictments for point shaving and these sorts of things. Like, it just totally destroys any sense that what you're watching is really free and fair competition.

And then on the other side of it, like, it ruins lives. You know, you've done some of the best research and highlighting of the way that, you know, they rig it. You can't win. If you win too much, they kick you off. Correct. Like, it is the definition of a rigged game. And how that is legal is, continues to be insane to me. Well, look, look at the number, 0.04%. Be honest, are you in the 0.04% or are you a loser, okay? I don't understand the willful, the willful participation in your own bankruptcy.

But that's what these people try to sell you. And to your point, by the way, you know, even those 0.04%, how many of these people are just insider traders? So let's give you a good example here. And to be clear, this is my own analysis. Nothing is confirmed. CalChi or Polymarket has not yet offered comment. Let's go ahead and put D8 up here on the screen. So you have a person here who is speculated to be an insider. Again, we don't know that yet for sure, who bet almost exclusively on halftime event contracts.

For example, will Lady Gaga perform during the Super Bowl halftime show? Will Travis Scott perform? Will Drake perform? Will Balvin perform? Will Ricky Martin be at the Super Bowl? Will Cardi B be at the Super Bowl? Will Post-Malone perform? He just happened to bet in exactly the right way

to net a profit of some $16,000. Yes, about $17,000. Now, you know, that information, it's not just Bed Bunny, who happens to have that. Stage hands, you know, there's probably what, hundreds of people behind the scenes. All the guys carrying the trees or who were dressed up as a tree.

Right. So they probably do because during rehearsal. And my point is just like, is there any regulation around this? Yeah, I get. I know. It's only 17,000, sure. But when you combine this with Venezuela, with all what you just talked, I mean, the amount of prop bets are insane.

I was watching the broadcast before the Super Bowl. You had live drafting prop bet odds beneath the broadcast. Like, this is baked into the product. How can you possibly ensure that there is no, you know, manipulation or any reoccur? or any real integrity of the game. And especially, now I guess it's basketball season, now that the NFL is officially done. Well, let's put D3 up here on the screen.

Janus, one of the most famous, you know, basketball players, is now going to be an investor in Kalshi. He says, we all on Kalshi now. Everyone is online. The Internet is full of opinions. I decided it was time to make some of my own. Today I'm joining Kalshi as a shareholder. We all on Kalshi now.

Okay, so you have one of the Internet. of the flagship players in basketball joining Kalshi. Now, let's then remember that bets literally on him, his team, games that he will be involved in. He will be a direct participant in terms of the potential profits off of said game. There have been multiple markets which have been very swingy. Let's put D3 up here on the screen, for example, involving his own trade rumors, which, again, he could now be a potential profiter of, off of. And you, you. You. You. You, You can, I mean, when we are betting, look, the heads and tails, that's been a bet for forever. We're not talking about that.

We're talking about, I sent you this. People on Polly Market were sitting there betting the over or under on the national anthem. People are out there, the streaker, that's a big one. Will there be a streaker? You know, somebody pointed this out. Because the odds weren't very good for there be a streaker. Why would you not put as much money as you could on streaker? And then streak.

And then you just take 80% profits. What, half of that, let's say, goes to fines or legal fees. Or hire somebody to do it. You know, pay some idiot out there to pay for a Super Bowl ticket, only $6,000. Let's say you put $100,000 on it. You get $800 grand, $8 to $1. I mean, yeah, somebody will do it. Remember, we talked about the dildo thing back in the WNBA.

This is every, like we cannot live like this. There has to be regulation. And this is just the worst part, like Kalshi and Polly Market, are at the bleeding edge. But I want to make clear, even legal sports gambling with all of these profit prop bets, it's just as bad. Like, yes, it's not as, you know, streak or any of that other stuff. Microp bets have no, literally no usefulness other than basically insider trading. Yeah. And robbing you of your money, thinking that you're so smart that you're going to be like, oh, JSN for two touchdowns. Yeah, let me know how that one hit. I literally know somebody who took

that bet. And so that's what I'm talking about. one of those where these guys, everybody's pretending that it's fun, it is enabling and creating millions of gambling addicts, massively profiting all of these people, the, you know, the CalCity woman, she's like, I'm one of the youngest billioners in the world. I'm like, I'm not fucking celebrating that. That's disgusted, actually. Sorry. It's one of those where when we create, normalize, and popularize this, we will create a situation where this can get totally out of control. Mass bankruptcies. We already know that states, which legalize gambling, not only see increasing, they actually see an aggregate increase

or decrease in the amount of credit for everybody, just simply as a result of that. And then, I mean, intimate partner violence, people who lose bets, unfortunately, very likely to take it out on their wife. Like, it's sickening. It massively creates a vice spiral. And I think that's actually the worst part. Overwhelmingly men who are, you know, who are betting. And in fact, one of the things that we were reading about is how women placing bets is

actually a bit of a red flag because usually, They're sort of like straw beds. It's a smurf account. Yeah, to cover for, you know, someone else who's a, you know, potential shark who's trying to place bets that might actually hit. Yeah. And God forbid we have that. You know, the Janus one I actually followed closely because Kyle's a big Knicks fan. So I'm now a Knicks fan by proxy.

And so he's been telling me like, oh, we might get Janus and, you know, they might trade Carl Anthony Towns. And like, this has been an ongoing conversation. And then, lo and behold, like, no trade happens. He's staying with Milwaukee. and all of these rumors, people were profiting off of, oh, is he going to stay? Is he going to go? You build up all this hype on the other side of like,

oh, he's probably going to get traded to the Knicks or probably get traded to there were some other teams that were also floated as possible locations. And then, you know, since you build up that expectation on the other side, then the, you know, the fact that he stays becomes very profitable. So it's just disgusting, it's insane to me that an active player can sit on the board of Kalshi. That is so crazy to me.

But, you know, I think there's actually a connection to the conversation we were having about the Epstein files. Bear with me. Because we're discussing how, you know, there's all with Lord Mandelson, there's this very clear argument to be made. This was insider trading. And that insider trading was some significant chunk of how he was able to get his wealth. And I think what the elites are offering now at a time when they're trying to, when they've already destroyed the, you know, blue collar jobs, when they've already destroyed the unions, when they've gobbled up all of the gains

from productivity over decades, when they're promising to destroy now all the white collar jobs and everything's too expensive, et cetera. Rather than offering, okay, we're going to make it so that you participate in the promised economic growth from AI. We're going to make sure your wages go up,

that you have ownership in these things, that you can participate in the extraordinary wealth that we plan to create. Instead of that, they're doing this sort of like low-grade democracy, of insider trading where it's like, you know, now it's not just for the Epstein class that can participate in insider trading. You too might get lucky enough to be one of the trees in bad bunny's performance and have some inside knowledge you can trade on, you know, put your whole life

savings up in order to get together our measly $15,000. That's effectively the deal that is being offered. It ties back in a sense to the Trump accounts, the Trump baby accounts too, where it's the same thing. It's like, well, we'll give you a little sense. stake in this casino that we call the stock market. No, you're not going to have power in any sort of democratic decision making. You're not going to have any say in this new social contract, since we're just like ripping up the old one and writing a new one. You're not going to have any say in that, but we'll give you a little more taste of the casino. We'll make it a little bit more feasible or a little bit more believable that you're going to be able to hit it big

with this expanded lottery, which is essentially what it is. And I mean, we all know the state lottos, like these are basically attacks on the poor. It's for people who are desperate, who see no other way and like to live in the fantasy of like, maybe this time it's going to hit, maybe this is time it's going to hit. We're going to expand that so that more millions of people get trapped in the cycle where ultimately, you know, the wealth is all continuing to be funneled to the top. But we're going to offer you a glimpse of a promise that maybe you can be the one that's in the Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show and happens to get this insider info that you can And hand up, this is my own class bias. I didn't notice it much until it hit my cohort for sports betting.

But you're right. And it's only after I started delving more into it. And I would look at lottery and I go, oh my God. I'm like, I can't even believe that I wasn't aware of this whole thing. Like if you go to the Union Station, DC Lotto stand, it is homeless people out the door, not there for warmth. They're there by tickets. And I was like, oh my God. I was not really, you know, that I'm not that in touch, I guess, with people who buy scratch-offs, like every single date. Now I look for it, and I can actually see it everywhere every time you're at a 7-Eleven. Like every time you're at a gas station, if you stop or something and you go in, there's somebody there, you know, buying the tickets, like, and these are not even like big ones, but there's something about the thrill

and it just drains their finances. Unfortunately, wasn't as awake to it, there wasn't enough of a mass populist movement to be like, hey, is anyone going to take care of these people and save them from themselves? My mind has changed on this, because I have more of, a like libertarian social view. So I was like, oh, you know, adults like should be able to, you know, if they're informed and they want to, that's how they want to like spend their money, whatever. But that means they're not informed. That's the whole point.

That's the piece is that this is not, first of all, it's not free and fair. It's completely rigged. And you are up against, like your brain is up against the psychological warfare of these trillion dollar companies that are attempting to get you hooked, that are gamifying everything to get you in and keep you there. It's not a fair fight. You know, it's not like, I think we have this view in the U.S. and in the West in general that, like, you know, a system, as long as there isn't like

a gun pointed to your head, that that's not coercion, right, that you're not being manipulated. And that is just not the case. Clearly, you are being exploited. You're being manipulated. And, you know, you're free in sort of like a technical sense. But the reality is the deck is being stacked against you. at every single turn.

And that has become, again, thanks to, you know, you're really highlighting this issue was the first one I really had to stop and think about, like, okay, well, what does this mean and what is it doing to our society? And it's just become abundantly clear to me that this whole thing is corrosive in every way and deeply damaging.

Welcome. This is the gateway drug to discovering what true freedom is. What is freedom actually mean? And are you truly free or are you a slave if you're out there who is betting every day to trying to make your wealth? Actually, the communists have always understood this about structural advantage and freedom. So, anyway, the point just remains, stay away.

Like, I wish we had more power. I hope one day government regulators and all of them will wake up. But under this administration, it's not going to happen. These people, they love this shit, right, because they're becoming massively profitable, and these people will pay anything to remain legal. I'm going to do a segment soon about OnlyFans, just flagging that. That'll be a fun one for everybody to pay attention. to, but next, I'm going to have to start looking at this Kalshia advertising and some of the other

stuff that's being flagged to me. These people make the cigarette companies in the 60s look like Boy Scouts. It's crazy. They make the casinos of Las Vegas look like church nuns, like in terms of what they're promising. At least the casinos are relatively honest. You come here, you're going to lose money, but you get to go watch, oh, with the Bellagio or something like that, and we'll comp you some tickets. These, I mean, the amount of lies that are being told about your ability to win what your, you know, whether insider protection of insider trading and so much more,

buying off literal players. This is very, very dangerous. Yeah. To sports, to society. But that unfortunate part, it's just the revealing nature of like where we are right now. We have got to get away from this.

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We're going to have to push Olympics to tomorrow because Dan Osborne is standing by, but I Do you want to know? What did you think of the Bad Bunny halftime show? At Boney. Were you furious? Were you triggered? Okay. So people, maybe I'm being lib.

I thought it was good. It was right. I thought it was good. So it was very, I bet you if I had to watch it in the stadium, I wouldn't have liked it much. It was clearly very produced for television. They're all meant, really for TV. No, I know. But it was one of those where you could see with the set.

The set design was amazing. Incredible. I mean, I don't speak Spanish. I only speak a little bit, like maybe 20% or so. I didn't really know what he was saying. Purely off of production, I was like, hey, man, I mean, it's pretty good. And I'm not a big regga tone fan, but he convinced me. It wasn't bad.

Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I actually thought it was pretty good. There is a meta conversation around the NFL where, look, everyone, and I tweeted this at the time, everyone's like, oh, they're choosing bad bunny because he's woke. I was like, guys, you don't know anything about the NFL then. The NFL wants to become an international sport. So I don't know if you saw this. The NFL already announced they're going to be playing, I think it's 11 international games next year, 11 games. One of them is a division rivalry where they are flying the 49ers and the Rams from L.A. and San Francisco to Melbourne, Australia.

So a major flagship football game is going to be played in Melbourne. They're doing this all over the world. Latin America is one of their dream markets. Already both the L.A. teams have big fan bases in Mexico and, across Latin America. We had the Brazil game that happened earlier this season. I think the Brazil is back on. I know that the NFL is targeting that. Also, they're all in the same time zone so they can watch. This is pure business. So it's one of those where, look, like, I don't think it really had anything to do with wokeness, but it does relate to our conversation about

gambling and all that. I think it's bad because they just want to globalize the sport. And with globalization, basically comes what happened to the NBA. Remember that whole Hong Kong situation where the coach, I forget who it wants, Darylory, something like this. He said something about how he supported the protesters in Hong Kong, and they freaked out because the Chinese government was like, oh my God, and he almost got fired, and the owners spoke out.

With globalization, comes the same thing that happened, you know, for all the rest of our economy. But, I mean, you're almost swimming against the tide at this point. So that's my overall. I think it should remain an American sport, but, like, it's not. It's just, that's not what they want. These people are multi-billionaires.

Roger Goodell's very good at his job. All he wants to do is expand, expand, expand. They have all NFL fans by the balls. They know they will watch no matter what. They literally put games on at 9 a.m. And people wake up to watch them. People will watch anything. I support that.

You see it. I like a 9-A-game game. You and I support that. Other people do not support that. Well, I mean, but also, I mean, I don't doubt that, you know, the expansion is part of the calculus. I mean, Bad Bunny is really. 100% of it. I genuinely didn't realize what a massive, it was like him and Taylor Swift.

Yeah, they're the two biggest artists of our generation. And I, like, I didn't realize how massive he is. So, and not only the, you know, the international expansion, but there's 50 million Spanish speakers here in the U.S. And I'm sure that's a market that they'd like for their penetration into. So, but, you know, I mean, obviously his performance was political. I think it would be a lie to say it wasn't, you know, didn't have political tone to it. The big thing that people were noting was he had up that message that said the only thing more powerful than hate is love. He's been very outspoken about, you know, ICE abuses. And I think he's canceled concerts even in the U.S. because of fear of ICE and immigration enforcement at his concerts, et cetera. So there's no doubt there was political.

The other thing that I didn't see as much conversation about, there was that part where they were, like, dancing on the like electrical poles. And then there was like an explosion. You remember that? And I'm sure that that relates to Puerto Rico's ongoing. electricity crisis. There were those messages as well. There was a wedding in it, which is really cool. It was apparently a real wedding, where the couple

had written him and invited him to their wedding. He was like, how about instead of that, how about you come and get married during my Super Bowl halftime performance? So I thought the whole thing was very, I thought it was very well done. I thought it was beautiful. I thought it was decidedly political. Like, everything's political.

I didn't see that. I was just like, oh, it's a good show. Well, what I was going to say is I think it's political without being like in your face. And that's, I think, what people object to is when the messaging is too aggressive and it takes the place of the artistry. But clearly, I mean, to me, one of the most political parts of it is just when he read off, when he said the names of all the countries in, you know, the Americas, including countries like Cuba that we're, you know, trying to utterly emiserate and destroy right now or Venezuela, another place that, you know, we're. military intervention and have long spent time trying to destroy them, et cetera. I actually found that to be a really beautiful and a certain way courageous act. I guess. I mean, I thought, I mean, he's the biggest artist in Latin America. That's his entire fan base. That's the whole point of having the halftime show all in Spanish period.

Look, like I said, we should decide, should we be our own sovereign nation? Should we become globalized to the entire U.S. to the global culture? That's what the NFL wants. Most NFL fans are going to put up with it. I don't think it's necessarily a good thing. It is what it is. That's why, I mean, I just do think that people who are like, oh, the NFL, they've gone woke. They don't care. They just want to make money. That's all that they are in for. They are salivating over, I mean, you know those international games?

They all sell out. They all go, people all over those countries, they show up, and they'll show up in like 32 different team jerseys. Like, I'll never understand a German guy who's an Arizona Cardinal fans, but they exist. Yeah. Apparently. So, I don't know. I didn't really look at it that way. I was just like, okay, clearly they want to penetrate the Latin American market.

That's what this entire thing is about. They succeeded. The ratings are in. They got like 135 million people watch it. Largest Super Bowl half a time show. It's also been the most watched NFL season of all time. Like the NFL is only growing. And that's where they see the dollar signs.

That's where they want things to go. Like Bad Bunny kind of made it like a celebration of, I guess, Latin American identity, really, like with the reading off of all that. It's fine. Again, you know, I think people know my feelings about immigration and all that, but I really didn't find it that bad, like objectionable. No. I thought it was a decent show.

And not the other thing. But it was all in Spanish, and I mean, it is kind of weird. They're like, okay, I mean, I literally. I had Lady Gaga. I speak Spanish and, like I said, I speak 20% Spanish. And even I was like, dude, I don't know what the fuck is going on in the show. So, I don't know. I mean, are we okay with that?

Like, I enjoy some of his songs. Even though I don't speak Spanish. I don't know what he's saying or what they're about. Yeah, there's been plenty of Spanish songs. Yeah, that are super popular America. That have been very popular. Shakira, you know, so it's like, it's not completely. Who has also performed at the Super Bowl before previously.

Is she Colombian? I forget. She is Colombian. Yeah. Yes, that's exactly right. We do have a reaction from Trump D-10 that we can put up on the screen here. So one thing that is kind of funny is that, you know, T.P. USA did their alternative Great American halftime show or whatever they called it with Kid Rock. It was abysmal.

I mean, he was lips. Yes, he was lip-sinking, but he wasn't even bothering to, like, really lip-sing. The audio was unsaying. It sucked. I mean, I'm sorry. Of course, like, and not even just my bias. There were many right-winger who also were. like this was really bad. In any case, here is what, well, where I was going with that is

apparently a Trump Super Bowl party. They did not watch the TV as they had to say. Anyway, here's what Trump had to say. The Super Bowl halftime show is absolutely terrible. What are the worst ever makes no sense? Is it affront to the greatness of America? Doesn't represent our standards of success, creativity, or excellence. No matter any understands a word this guy is saying the dancing is disgusting, especially for young children that are watching from throughout the USA and all over the world. This show is just a slap in the face to our country, which is setting new standards and records every single day, including the best stock market in 401ks in history. There's nothing inspirational about this mess of the halftime show and watch. It will get great reviews from

the fake news media like Sager and Jetty because they haven't gotten a clue of what is going on in the real world. And by the way, the NFL should immediately replace its ridiculous new kickoff role. He's obsessed with the kickoff role. Anyway, that was Trump's reaction. One thing that was that someone noted, some intelligent person noted, is that this true social went out. exactly 9 p.m. And so they think it was pre-written an auto to auto post because it went out exactly at 9 p.m.

Which, I mean, it does sound, it is sort of vague, like the sort of thing you could write in advance. Like, you're just going to assume there's going to be some, you know, some ash shaking in it. So you can say, although dancing was disgusting, et cetera.

I got it. I don't know. I mean, I thought that the whole freakout was a bit much. Like I said, I view it purely business. I don't love it. Like, I don't love the fact that it's going to be

a purely international sport, that's what they want. The more that those people get, you know, the more money and dollar signs, the less kind of American it becomes. At the same time, NFL fans have nobody but themselves to blame because not only do they put up with this shit, the ratings keep going up, so it's not exactly like they can speak out. And, yeah, I mean, a lot of the freak out was just like, oh, woke. Like, I'm telling you, like, I'm pretty sensitive, I guess, to seeing that.

I really didn't see it. I was like, that was a good show. Yeah, he's very talented. I thought it was well-produced, you know, et cetera. I guess, you know, with the political undertones. But you really would have to be looking for it, in my opinion, like to say a celebration of all Latin America, which, again, maybe it's if you don't know anything about him

because I knew who he was, I knew how big he was as a musician. And this guy sells out shows all over the world. Like, it's crazy. He has right now, I was looking right now on Spotify. All top five songs are all his. No, I know. I've seen it before. I've seen the sellout numbers, like, well, where some of his shows are, when he'll do in Latin America.

So I've been aware of Bad Bunny, like, for quite a while. So I was, yeah, I mean, it pretty much was exactly what I expected. So there you go. Yeah, I thought he, I actually did pretty well. I mean, apparently that makes me a huge lip, but I was like, hey, it's a good show. We enjoyed it. It was only like 12 minutes. And then we move on to a very, very boring game.

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Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Inalick Lamouba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's Almermata, Morehouse College,

the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr., and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. to be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest.

It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-building on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka neurolinguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis. linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune

and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP, might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, guys, we are very fortunate to be joined this morning in studio by Dan Osborne. He is the independent candidate for United States Senate in the state of Nebraska.

Welcome, sir. Thank you. Good year. Great to have you in person. Yeah, absolutely. All right, so how's the campaign going this time? You got a different opponent than last time. You're up against Pete Ricketts.

How do things look so far? Things are looking really good. So the fourth poll just came out in the race and we're still statistically tied. Even after he spent $2 million in the state against me, radio ads, TV ads, he went up really early that, frankly, Nebraska's not even used to see. And so, yeah, we haven't spent much, and so I'm feeling really good about this one. And so if you can remind the audience, you came closer than many have to being able to defeat a Republican in the state of Nebraska, long-time thought, of a lock state. You were able to do it as an independent. You really have been trying to embrace economic populist issues.

Why did you decide to run again? I know we talked immediately after your race, but what did you think that you learned from that race that you could try to do again? Yeah, well, I suppose ultimately why I decided to do it again. There was a lot of people asking me to, but ultimately I sat my family down to dinner, and we talked about what it would look like.

Do we want to do this again? And their resounding answer, especially for my kids and my wife, for, no, we don't want to do this again, right? Because it's extremely difficult on your family life, you know, being in the public eye, the mud slinging that occurs. But once we started talking about the issues,

like specifically my 22-year-old daughter said, Dad, I don't ever think I'm going to be a homeowner. You know, the first time age buyer, or the age for homebuyer is 40 years old now in this country. And collectively, this generation isn't going to do as good as their parents for the first time. And so issues like that, by the time we were doing the dishes, it was like, we have to do this.

You felt an obligation. Yeah. We wanted to talk to you about some of the sort of Nebraska-specific economic issues that are going on because you've got a unique view. We're very coastal here. Unfortunately, we don't get to talk to that many people from Nebraska. Let's put F2 up on the screen here. I know this has been a major and significant issue.

There's a major Tyson's Foods plant that is going to close, that has closed now in Lexington, Nebraska. Closure, it says, here will result in more than 3,200 people. in a town of just over 10,000 losing their jobs. Can you talk some about what happened here? And also the failure of government that this represents, because there were tools that your opponent and that this administration could have deployed to avoid this devastating economic blow.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this is the gutting of Middle America in action, right? Like at a time when beef prices and beef in itself is a very high demand. They choose to close down a plant that does 5% of the beef production in the country. And, you know, so they are in violation of the Packers and Stockyards Act of 1921, which was created to prevent this exact thing that they're doing, right? This consolidation of industries where they can manipulate prices for both the ranchers and the consumers. We're seeing it play out.

You know, I've tried to get our federal delegation to follow through with this. Pete Ricketts said, after I did my press conference out there, Pete Rickett said, we'll look into it. And then the day after he said that, he got a donation from Tyson to his campaign. And then two months later, you know, they had a reporter catch him in the hallway. And he said, oh, they're not doing anything wrong. Everything's fine. Yeah, we actually have some of that. Why don't we take a listen and we'll get your reaction?

Let's roll it. Senator Ricketts, a couple months ago, you said that you were going to look into whether Tyson was violated. the Packers and Stockyards Act, but now 3,300 people have lost their jobs. So I'm wondering what exactly you did to try to save that plan. So they are not violating the Stocker and Packyards, right? But I've been to Lexington to work with the mayor about being able to use that facility and continue to create jobs. So we're going to be working with Tyson.

They're talking about they're doing an evaluation of what they're going to continue for. But there's valuable resources there with regard to the land, the railroad spur and the waste bar plant that could be used for future jobs. What did you do to try to save it before it closed down? So, again, this is one of the things where we have a private sector. We have a private sector, sir, and we have railroads, and they'll be fine. Can I tell you what that reminds me of? You ever see Charlie in the Chocolate Factory, the newer one where he keeps to stop telling

that kid to mumble? I guess, what is he even saying there? He's just like saying words without any meaning behind them. And it's because he doesn't have a defensible position because he's taking their money and doing their bidding. We're seeing it over and over and over again with a lot of our elected officials. And man, people are getting tired of it and they're seeing through it. Yeah, I do want to ask you specifically about the beef prices. Can we put F3 up here on the screen? I'm curious for your reaction. There's been a lot of pressure on the administration right now to lower the price of beef. Their response, instead of fighting for them like this, is actually import a significant

an amount of beef from South America, which, you know, America first, we can talk, I guess, kind of separately about this. But, you know, it seems this, obviously this is important to many people on the coast and the rest of the country for just the price for our ability to afford at the grocery store. But for your state, it's a lot of jobs. It is like central to the identity. Can you just talk a little bit about that? Well, ranchers are finally starting to make some good money. You know, 30 years ago, they were making 70 cents on the dollar for their product. Now, you know, they're lucky to make 30 cents on the dollar. But this year, you know, with the demand is high.

And so in conjunction with the consolidating of the Packers, and then now this, ranchers are going to suffer. Absolutely. I've been talking to them. You know, a lot of Maga ranchers reposts a lot of our stuff online because of they understand what's happening. And they're pissed off. Zooming out from this specific issue, How is the economy in Nebraska overall?

Well, I would say the overall, it's been steady, you know, especially in Omaha and Lincoln with job growth. But I feel there's definitely a sense of decline with brain drain, you know, with our governor using, I don't even know if I can say it on air, but, you know. You say whatever we want. Okay. He uses the word libidivism. tard frequently. And, you know, just a common disrespect for human decency is what we're seeing with a lot of our state and federal delegation.

And so that's prompting people to not want to stay in, our young people specifically not want to stay in our state. And, you know, we need to be continually growing. And we need to be protecting our rural way alive, too. You know, we're at an all-time shortage for road crop farmers. And that's going to continue to happen. And 2% of the population feed the rest of us. We have to have sustainable farming practices.

And that doesn't include consolidation of ag, right? That includes keeping them profitable with things like stringent right to repair laws. If you own something, you should have the right to repair it. I mean, these tractors cost upwards of a million dollars. So if you're a young person wanting to live that rural way of life, it's almost impossible to break into that right now. Let's go ahead and put F4 up on the screen to that point. So, you know, you've got this $12 billion farmer bailout that the administration has pushed through. This says, real crop farmers in the Midwest and Great Plains have a better idea of how much money

they can expect from one-time federal aid payments announced last month. You've got, you know, a lot of people in line to receive these funds. I know a lot of analyses that say that this won't be sufficient. This, of course, relates to the tariff regime that this administration has push forward. What are you hearing from farmers about the state of the ag economy and their ability to make it and whether or not this bailout will be sufficient for them? It's a joke. It's a joke. And they see it. I talk to them every day. I was just talking to a bean farmer the other day. And I asked him about that bailout. First of all, they don't want handouts. They want a market to sell their product. So he is sitting on beans that he can't sell. And so I asked him how,

is that $12 billion going to help you to stay afloat? And he said, well, first of all, it's not the $20 billion we gave Argentina, right? So, yeah, good point. That's in question, right? I mean, and then you can add maybe another $20 billion, arguably, to make it $40 billion. Argentina gets, now we're buying their beef. But the bailout, he said what it's going to do is it's going to help him buy his seed and his chemicals for next year, but it does absolutely nothing for him this year. So I think what this is going to cause, and I believe we're already seeing it, more consolidation of ag, right, the people that can afford to come in and buy them up, the Bill Gates of the world, buying up land in Nebraska.

And again, it goes back to sustainable farming, and it's just it's not good for Nebraska. It's not good for the country, frankly. So how do you think about tariffs? I'm curious, because, you know, I know a lot of soybean farmers, many others were dramatically affected. However, we do have to balance our national strategic priority with China. How do you think about tariffs as a tool with respect to agriculture? Many lobbying, you know, even farmers are against tariffs specifically for this reason,

which I understand, but we have a lot of things to think about. You might be a United States Senator. How would you think about the question? Well, you hit the nail on the head. It's a tool, right? And as a mechanic myself, I don't just have one tool. I don't have a big old hammer that I use for everything, right? You have precision machine tools and you have a whole array of tools.

And this is one of the tools that you use to protect American jobs. I mean, we've seen it be successful in the automotive sector. You know, predominantly the F-150s and the Silveradoes and the ram trucks are still predominant here in the country. And that is, you know, you could argue that is due from our tariff policy. So it has their place. But I do think the power of the tariff should be with Congress. shouldn't be with the executive branch. It was never designed that way. We should go back to doing it where Congress has that control. Let's zoom out a little bit and talk about the political

landscape. You're obviously, you're an independent. You're running as an independent. I think most people would look at the state of Nebraska and say a Democrat, no matter how good, you know, would not stand a chance of winning statewide in a state like Nebraska. You know, it shifted very much to the right. It's deeply red, deeply Republican at this point. What do you think it is about the Democratic Party that is so appalling to so many people in a rural state like Nebraska? Well, I think, I don't know that I'd use the word appalling, but I'll give you an example. I went door knocking in Weeping Water, Nebraska. And when we're driving around going door knocking, I look for the Trump sign because I want

to talk to that person, I want to understand, and let them know who I am and, you know, why I'm running. And what I found is the last guy that answered his door had a Trump sign out front. He answered the door with his daughter. He was obviously a wrestler. He had a cauliflower ear, and his daughter was a wrestler. He was getting ready to take her to a match. And he loves his family, like most people do, right? They fiercely love their kids, and they want to do everything that they see fit to protect their kids. And so it's all about the message that people receive. He lived in Omaha and he got out of Omaha because he didn't want his daughter going to school where teachers, male teachers were dressing as women, you know, and trying to tell their kids that they could be

anything that they want. Now, this didn't happen, but the idea is constantly put into their head, Right. So I think, and this is who's creating the division in the country. They will keep us divided on anything, whether it's Second Amendment or whether it's transgender or LGBTQ. Whatever the issue is that they can divide us with, they'll use it. And then they'll keep hounding it. So people believe that, and that's perception as reality, right? Instead, but those are the very same people that want us to stay blind to the fact that we're getting robbed, right, with the consolidation. of our industries, the monopolies, the billionaires that are carving up the country for themselves, those are the ones that want to keep us divided. So I think some of that is true, but we do have a reconcilable differences in the country. A lot of people still vote based on them. One of them is immigration. I know you've had some differing views on the subject. You are from a heavily rural state. You're talking about farm shortages. How do you think about illegal labor? I know you have, I think you were against a shutdown. I know Senator Ricketts has criticized you for talking on both sides

of your mouth. So like, what's your definitive immigration? policy for the state of Nebraska? Well, Congress needs to do something, including Pete Ricketts. We need meaningful, humane immigration reform that we haven't seen in this country since I've been alive. Well, what do you mean by that? Well, I mean, General Amnes? Yeah, no, we need more judges.

We need more lawyers. We need to figure out how the people that are here that are working, that are upstanding members of our community, there are friends, there are our neighbors. We have to figure out a way for them to have a path, right? I don't believe in general amnesty, but I do think there should be a path to citizenship. And, you know, we were promised that they were going to come in and take the criminal elements out.

And that's not what we're seeing play out, right? I don't think too many people would disagree that if you're a violent criminal, that you shouldn't be here. Okay. But, you know, the folks that are hard workers that contribute to our society by paying taxes, I mean, I think $2 billion,

dollars undocumented workers paying to Social Security that they'll never get out. Those are the kinds of issues that we do need immigration reform. So we need more judges, we need more lawyers, and we need better laws to help promote a path. What about in the meatpacking industry? Let's see, and we were just talking about that, for example, heavily reliant to make cases on illegal labor. Sure, many may not be criminals, like in terms of violent criminals, but they are violating the law.

Being present here illegally, do you think that the company should bear some responsibility for that? Well, yeah, they're the ones benefiting monetarily, right? I agree with you 100%. Paying them next to nothing. Right. And enriching themselves. And those are the ones that can afford to buy a senator or a House member.

And I certainly can't. And so I think really the most important issue of all of our times, it all kind of goes back to campaign finance reform to take the ability away from these lobbyists and special interests to control our elections and, quite frankly, control our elected officials. Because if you want to work in Nebraska or Texas, Montana, Florida, Ohio, it costs $100 million to run for U.S. Senate. That's insane. A billion dollars to run for the U.S. president. Those are the things that we have to clean up.

So we have to figure out a way, I mean, I'd love to just end Citizens United, right? I know it's harder said than done. But maybe there's state laws or something we could do to curtail that. Or maybe we can make it especially, that's how I view my campaign, is if we elect some of the state laws. somebody who doesn't take corporate pack money or a pack money or anything like that, special interest money. If I can't relate it back to working people, I want your money. So if we could win in a state like Nebraska, we could set the tone for future elections

that if you take this money, this dirty money, and you're going to do their bidding, we're not going to vote for you. Because ultimately, there's a heck of a lot more voters out there than there are billionaires, right? And we still have the power. We just have to take it back and we have to cut through the noise and talk about the things that are affecting our everyday lives. Like, that's what I call it paycheck populism, right? I get a paycheck every week.

I know how much comes in. I know how much goes out, and I know how much harder. It's getting to provide for my family these days. One thing we've focused a lot on this show is overall, the AI industry, and then the specific flashpoint of these massive data centers that are being located in a lot of rural areas

in my own town. I've seen a number of them being put in. There's huge issues with regard to land usage, water usage, with electricity bills going up. And I wonder if you've seen any of that in Nebraska, if that's become a flashpoint in any sort of way. There's a ton of them. There's data centers, Google, Facebook, Amazon,

you know, the AI data centers, they go up. Yeah, it provides jobs in the short term, you know, to build these structures, especially it's good for the buildings and trades folks. But once these things are up, I think it takes like five people to run a data center. And they are taking up valuable resources. Nebraska sits on the Ogilala aquifer, the biggest body of fresh water. Maybe in the world, I don't know, we'd have to fact check that one.

But they are using this resource up because they need water to cool their equipment. And then what really makes me mad is my power bill is going to go up 5%. That's a pretty big chunk of change. And we've had the, I suppose, the pleasure. of having public power in Nebraska, so our power is considerably lower than the rest of the country. But it's going to start rising because of these data centers. Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos buys a yacht, and he can't sail it under a bridge, so he pays to dredge out the river or where the bay or wherever that was at, and I'm paying for it.

Right. Like, these are extremely profitable businesses that should be figuring out a way to pay for their own power. Well, sir, we always appreciate your time. We enjoy having you on the show. Thank you for coming on me. Thank you. Yeah, and tell people where they can find you if they're interested in learning more about your campaign. Yeah, you can go to Osbornefor Senate.com.

That's Osborne without an E, not related to the ex-football coach. That didn't even occur to me, but I'm sure it did a money of people. It will to people in Nebraska. Yeah. I like it. Dan, thank you so much. Great to see you. Thank you.

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