Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 3/2/26: Americans Reject Iran War, Jeff Sachs Unloads On Netanyahu, Professor Jiang Says US Will Lose

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

Krystal and Saagar discuss Americans turn on Iran war, Jeff Sachs unloads on Netanyahu, Professor Jiang says US will lose war.   Jeffrey Sachs: https://www.jeffsachs.org/ Professor Jiang: https:/.../www.youtube.com/@PredictiveHistory    To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:30 Send me to at this point, no tie, just, you know, at your golf club, just casually announcing that you're dragging us into another Middle Eastern war with no particular end game and, you know, no end in sight and already Americans dying in this war. Immediately afterwards, what do you do if you're present in the United States? Let's put this up on the screen. Oh, you put the tie on, actually, then after announcing the war, and you go to your club with all of your multimillionaire and billionaire buddies to hang out and party and celebrate sending America's sons and daughters off to fight and die in an illegal, horrible, deadly, chaotic, disastrous war.
Starting point is 00:03:07 So this was a million-dollar plate fundraiser. He was hosting there at Mar-Lago in the hours after announcing this war. And so you can imagine that being one example of why perhaps Americans are not feeling so excited about this administration at this point, let alone this war that we've been dragged into. We've got some polling here now, early indications of support for this. Let's put D2 up on the screen. This is from Reuters, where their headline was just one in four Americans, 25 percent supports U.S. strikes on Iran. So you can see the numbers there. And of all adults, you've got about 27 percent in support. You've got 43 percent opposed. I want you guys to understand how crazy. And keep these numbers up on the screen. How crazy this is. I don't know if y'all have been
Starting point is 00:03:54 watching cable news, but CNN and Fox in particular, oh my God, the pro-war propaganda is through the roof. Many have been saying it would be hard to see how CNN can get even worse under the Ellisons, but I'm sure they'll figure out how to manage that. Barry will rise to the occasion to make it even worse, but it is so bad. And in spite of that overwhelming war propaganda, you still have only 27 adults who are like yes to this. Even in the Republican Party, a majority support of 55%, only 13%. outright opposed. We've got a big swat. There's 32% that are like, not sure. Democrats only 7%
Starting point is 00:04:33 support. I mean, I think they're all elected here in D.C. apparently all 7% of those Democrats that support this. And then with the independence, you've got 19% support. Let's put the next one up on the screen to see another poll. Here you go. This is from the AP, 21% only support it in This particular poll and a near majority, 49% oppose. 30% say that they are not sure. Let's compare this. Let's put D4 up on the screen. Shall we compare this to support for previous wars, which also ended disastrously, by the way. The Afghanistan war, there was overwhelming support because, you know, the thought, okay, there was an actual connection between Afghanistan and 9-11. Bin Laden was genuinely hiding out there. And so even Democrats, 90% were in support of, okay,
Starting point is 00:05:22 let's go into Afghanistan. And even that, we see the way that 20 years later it was a total catastrophe and just ended with the Taliban back in power. The Iraq War, you can see overall, even though there was some dissent, I was part of it, there was some dissent, but still, overwhelming support, 72% supported military action in Iraq. Think about that. And now here we are today for Iran, 34%. 34%. percent supporting military action against Iran. And that is, that is likely to be effectively at the peak because already things are going sideways. And I want people to take note. And we're going to do some of that we're going to cover some of this tomorrow of, especially the, you know, a bunch of the Republicans are
Starting point is 00:06:11 basically going to go along with whatever Trump. You'll have very, you'll have some notable and very courageous dissenters. Thomas Massey, maybe Rand Paul, maybe a couple others, okay? On the Democratic side, You have a divide. You have some people who are quite clear, no war with Iran. And then you have the bullshit process group that are like, well, he didn't brief us and he didn't make his case and he needs to make his case the American people. I want you all to remember who those people are. Take note of where everyone is right now. Because I believe a year from now, even, I don't even think it's going to take that long.
Starting point is 00:06:48 With Iraq, it took years. With this, it is going to be very. quick. There will come a time when basically everyone opposes this action and sees the folly and the disaster that it ultimately is. And I want you to look and to remember who said what right now at the time when it shouldn't even be that difficult because the public opposes it, but there's a lot of money on the other side of the equation, pressuring people, APEC being one of them, pressuring people, pressuring elected members of Congress to support this insanity. Pay attention to who they are, do not let them off the hook, do not fail to remind them that they were on board
Starting point is 00:07:27 with this utter catastrophic disaster. Which is exactly why a war powers resolution is so important. You need to get on the record. I want it now. I want it yesterday, actually, because now they're going to try and mealy mouth their way out of this, and we need this for everybody. I mean, one of the only good things about this is that many of the people have been exposed as complete frauds. Tomorrow will have a whole list of all the people who said that they were against this, ran on it literally, and are now saying opposite things out of the sides of their mouth. You know why that's important? Getting people on the record and then reminding people in the future like we did to Hillary back in 2008, that is what saves you. Because, look, ultimately we can only judge
Starting point is 00:08:06 based on past behavior for what your decision is going to be. And yeah, as you said, it's not even that courageous to speak out right now. It's just apparently like so outside the realm of possibility for anybody on mainstream media to even think about it. You have to stand up to the donor class. That's what you're going to have to do. It is so shocking. I mean, the mainstream media and all these people, you know, CNN would always try to reach out to me to talk about Epstein or whatever when Israel or Iran, and they know, you know, oh, nothing. You know, there's no, there's no incoming text messages asking me to appear on their network. Interesting, isn't it? Or even the Epstein thing, I'd be like, sure, but I'm going to talk about Israel. And then, of course,
Starting point is 00:08:43 you know, everything would just go away. terms of the request. That's kind of how it works right now. And I do think it's important to think about the lack of manufactured even consent for this war. Put D3 up here on the screen. This is from the New York Times. I mean, only 21% of Americans support the United States initiating an attack on Iran. Only 21%. And you know, you talk there about history. And this is where I never thought I would say this. But you got to give it to Bush. He went the coalition of the willing, even though it was fake, the coalition of the willing, Every member of Congress was forced to vote on the question.
Starting point is 00:09:19 We had months of Fox News. You don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. You had Judy Miller and Yellow Cake and the famous vial that was held up by Colin Powell. The security council. The vast majority of Americans supported it. Everyone pretends they weren't for it. And whenever it comes to even, I think back Vietnam, massively popular, all the way up until you had people who, a lot of people were being killed.
Starting point is 00:09:41 And by the way, even when, I mean, I'm talking about hundreds of Americans were dying, like in the span of a month, even then, a lot of the people still bought into the propaganda. And we're like, oh, we need peace with honor and all this other stuff. This, they didn't even try. I mean, even Maduro, it was like 50-50. People mostly moved on. They're like, look, as long as there's no Americans getting killed, whatever. I don't particularly care.
Starting point is 00:10:03 There's no chaos. Can't say that about this. There's chaos everywhere. And, you know, part of the problem was they moved into this. I think to the extent that people paid attention, it was all news junkies. the vast, vast, vast majority of people had no idea this was happening. They don't follow carrier strike group movements, statements from the Pentagon, and Barack Ravid reporting.
Starting point is 00:10:23 They just woke up on Saturday morning, and they're like, oh, my God. They're like, I can't believe this is even happening. And then they probably turned on their TV. There's no president to speak to them. We have a pre-recorded Brandon-style message. And then whenever they're worried, let's say you're a military family, I know some, and you see that's the way it is. Do you remember, we shredded Biden.
Starting point is 00:10:48 Remember his press conference after those 13 Americans were killed at Abbey Gate? I mean, we shredded him here. Remember when he got quiet and he was dementia-ridden and leaning like this on the podium, trying to analogize the death of his son from cancer to somebody getting blown up by ISIS and Afghanistan? This is up there with, oh, that's the way it is. that's the way that's the way that we talk about dead American servicemen this is a nightmare and in fairness that was to get out of a war right this is getting us into a war and so casual and I you know I feel like a broken record I keep tying it back to the Epstein files but you see you see in the Epstein files
Starting point is 00:11:27 you see the way that they look at other humans they don't see they don't see you or your kids as human in in the same full way that they see themselves and their class allies and their fellow, you know, Epstein-class allies as full human beings. And that's why they're able to so casually send people in to fight and die in these wars. And, you know, I mean, the backdrop here is you've got people who can't afford homes, who are, you know, prices are still way too high. You've got, you know, a full court press to develop AI that is going to eliminate many white-collar jobs. The promise or the threat is eliminate all. white-collar jobs, that's the backdrop. Healthcare premiums, they didn't, you know, they couldn't
Starting point is 00:12:13 extend the ACA health care subsidies, let alone, God forbid, actually, like, come up with a good healthcare plan so that people had universal health care like every other developed country in the world. So you've got premiums skyrocketing, and you're supposed to deal with a new regime of austerity. But is there any, I mean, is there any contemplation here, have you heard anyone say, like, oh, how much is this going to cost? Like, that's, that was a lot of money that just got shot. out of the sky and I watched, you know, fall into the ground and crash and burn. How much do these carrier strike? What does that deployment cost? These, you know, these new service members who are being brought in, like what, no, because austerity is fake. That's what you really should get for that.
Starting point is 00:12:55 There's no austerity when it comes to, you know, when it comes to the empire, when it comes to waging these wars. And you can go look at the stock market today and you can see many stocks are falling. But you know what's doing really well? Oh, the military industrial complex. all the defense stocks, they're cooking. And again, you can see in the Epstein files, the way that Epstein would talk to, you know, would talk to Ehud Barag, would talk to other people who'd say, oh, this chaos, this war, this is great for us. This is great for us. We're going to profit off of this. We're going to make lots of money. We're going to have more power. We're going to be able to situate ourselves even better. We're going to be able to entrench
Starting point is 00:13:28 ourselves even more in the affairs of the entire world. And so that's the way they, that's the way they look at this. So when you see this and you look at the polls, you're like, okay, only 20% of the American public supports this and you're dragging us into this, it is laying bare the fact that they do not believe, like, they don't believe in democracy. And they're exposing the fact that they don't think we live in a democracy. They don't think that people get to have a say. They don't think that our opinions should matter at all. And they think that they have degraded our system enough so that they don't matter at all. That's what this tells you. That's what this action really tells you.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Yeah, I think, though, that they also see us as cattle because they will just move on. And look, they're not wrong to a certain extent. Most, a lot of the people who do support them are cattle. I lived in George W. Bush country in Iraq. It was 07, and you still had dead enders who were like, I support the president on the Iraq. Like, don't underestimate the capacity for stupidity and for cultish behavior in a significant part of the country. And that is, honestly, that's maybe one of the things that worries me the most on this. Maybe some people are awake on the question.
Starting point is 00:14:38 I definitely think independence and a lot of the political energy class or like the people who are engaged in politics are especially, but I'm not going to underestimate either, a significant number of the day. I mean, if you have a financial crash and a deadly war, we had that. I mean, look, you already have, you already have Trump in the 30s in terms of his approval rating. You are absolutely right.
Starting point is 00:15:00 I will be the first to tell you that, like, it is a cult and there are people who will never leave and it does not matter what happens. But they are far from the majority. And, you know, and I think even within the, you know, people who voted for Trump three times, I think you will see some slice of them at least, you know, this is not great. And we see it in the poll numbers, too, with the strong support for Trump versus the eh support for Trump. Like, those numbers have shifted significantly. That's true.
Starting point is 00:15:28 So, you know, going into Iraq, we just showed the numbers. It was 70% of the country that was on board. with that to start from 20% and things are already going sideways and we're not even hearing from the president of the United States, I don't know. I think, I think this will be, it's just catastrophic on every level. Look, I hope it's just catastrophic on every level. I hope that they, I hope that they get punished beyond belief. But I'm still just, I just remember, I remember Bush. I remember growing up in that, in that environment and being like, I feel like I'm going fucking crazy. Here's the real, here's the real, here's the real thing. Here's the real thing.
Starting point is 00:16:04 is that I think they already know that if it's a free and fair fight, like they're cooked in the midterms, if it's any sort of like legitimate election. And so I think that is the other calculus here. Like we've already seen them throw out a potential, we had that memo that came to light of them declaring a national emergency over bamboo ballots, China interference in the elections. So they have, they're floating that. The potential Maduro deal, there was reporting on that, which, you know, seems like a fever dream conspiracy. Apparently, they really are thinking of getting Maduro to be like, oh, yeah, I totally rigged the election from Venezuela with Hugo Chavez's ghost. You've got Tulsi doing something in Puerto Rico. You got Tulsi doing something in Fulton County.
Starting point is 00:16:46 And now you have this war with Iran, where Trump also said that Iran interfered in 2020 as well. So they, he is looking for a way to not just mess with the elections, but declare a national or to move the, I mean, really sees control of what's going to happen here because I think he knows that he's, you know, electorally a dead man walking already. So I do think that is part of the calculus that's going into this as well as you try to wrap your head around why any president would do something that is so profoundly stupid and unpopular. Yeah, but I think actually what's ironic about this is that the more unpopular he gets, he will actually increase the amount of people. If he was strong or even medium, like going in to something like this, you would have like some sort of a solid foundation to be able to argue off of. I don't think that's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:17:37 I mean, look, I just talked about the dead enders. There's also a significant portion of, let's say, even, I mean, look, you had Republican senators even who were coming out and saying that they might vote against a war powers resolution. Like, you know, the level of weakness that you're starting to get into, you could go past George W. Bush, who was around 30% at the height of the war in Iraq. And there was an incredible amount of people who were like, all right, We got to give in, you know, even McCain even, and all of them would criticize Trump on the campaign trail.
Starting point is 00:18:02 They've got serious, serious problems. No, I agree with you. I mean, it's an incredible act of hubris to think that you could just, that's what I'm saying. That you could just impose your will on the entirety of the American public at basically the barrel of a gun. Like, even in actual dictatorships, the public still is going to have a say at some point. You're still somewhat constrained by like what people are going to tolerate. Right. And yeah, if you're, if you are causing a financial collapse, people are struggling to afford like basic necessities.
Starting point is 00:18:33 You're threatening to take all the jobs away with AI and you're getting us into a disastrous war. You know, I think you're going to be, I think you're going to, people are not going to just go along with you also rigging and stealing the elections. I think they'll have something to say about that. Yeah, no, no. Okay. All right. Let's get to Jeffrey Sachs, professor. He's standing by.
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Starting point is 00:21:40 Good to see you, sir. Thank you so much for coming back. Great to be with you. I wish it was under better circumstances. We did, of course, want to turn to you for a bigger picture of what this all means. Let's go ahead and start with our first element. Prime Minister B.B. Netanyahu saying the quieted part out loud, he says, In bombing Iran, Israel has now the assistance of the United States, my friend President Donald Trump and the U.S. military.
Starting point is 00:22:02 This coalition of forces allows us to do what I've yearned to do for 40 years. 40 years, it's a dream that the prime minister had. Despite all of the alleged pretexts about preemptive attacks, nuclear strikes, ballistic missiles, this is something that has been in the heart of the BB Netanyahu project. I just was wondering if you could react to that and frame your general thoughts around this entire regional war that has now erupted. I hadn't seen that quote, but if he said it, what an asshole he is, I've been saying that for years, that this is his dream, his campaign. I've put it at 30 years since 1996, a doctrine called Clean Break, which was a madman's document of a madman, B.B. Netanyahu and his arch-neocan extremist, Zionist, advisors in 1996 that basically was the blueprint for nonstop war in the Middle East. And now
Starting point is 00:23:05 Netanyahu says what I've been saying. When I've been saying it, people have sometimes scoffed. But oh, now I know it's a 40-year plan, not just a 30-year plan. The man is a psychopath. And this is the reality of it. We have been roped into endless war. by these extreme Zionists and were now in an ever greater escalation to full regional war for the purpose of Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. Of course, it aligns with the madmen in Washington and Langley who want U.S. hegemony in the world, but that's what this is about. They don't count how many schoolgirls are dead. They couldn't care less.
Starting point is 00:24:01 That's the whole point. There's nothing in this about the dead. This is all madmen's delusions. Let's go and put up E2 on the screen here. So Trump is saying now he wants to talk to the Iranians after assassinating their supreme leader and bombing their country and starting this war. He told the Atlantic, quote, they want to talk. I've agreed to talk, so I'll be talking to them.
Starting point is 00:24:29 On the contrary, though, it does not appear that the Iranians want to talk for understandable reasons, especially after we used diplomacy now multiple times in a row as a ruse in order to attack their country. But what do you make of this outreach from President Trump and also the relative silence from the administration after launching this war? Trump's crazy. He may even believe this. But he's crazy. Or he's psychopathic. Or it's what's called the dark triad personality, extreme Machiavellianism, inability to understand anything, murder the other side and say, we love you. That's his approach. It's completely spiraling out of control. I don't think he's the only
Starting point is 00:25:20 agent of this, by the way. I think this is the CIA longstanding effort. It's what Netanyahu said. Again, I'm better informed this morning, thanks to you. It's 40 years, not 30 years. I always put it at a 30-year effort. But we have gone to war in Libya, Sudan, Somalia, occupied Palestine, Lebanon, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Iran for this extremist delusional purpose. And what have we gotten out of it? Millions dead, but we're not supposed to count the dead. Trillions of dollars of loss. from Libya to Iran. I mean chaos, a region across the entire North Africa, Horn of Africa, and the Middle East in chaos because of this insane Zionism and the U.S. complicity in it and the delusions of control. How many wars will we get into? But, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:46 interestingly, two points. One, the American people see through this intense. entirely. They're completely against this. Trump, well, to say that Trump lied is to sound like an idiot. Of course, Trump lies every time he opens his mouth. But his campaign was about not doing exactly this. But he's a puppet. He's a puppet of the CIA and a puppet of Miriam Edelman and a puppet of BB Netanyahu. So he's a puppet. Or, blackmail or something. So this is one point. The American people are completely against this. And as the Gallup poll showed last Friday, the American people are on the side of the Palestinians. Both make complete sense. This is a madhouse. This is not in any remote way.
Starting point is 00:27:45 rational, deliberate, legal, honest, aimed at our security, it's aimed at the delusion of complete control. Well, you can't control the world this way. Mad Men have tried for millennia. We're just the latest in this. But it comes to a very bad end. And I think that we're seeing that all right now, especially with people like Lindsey Graham at the forefront, why don't we take a listen to his comment about what the future of Iran should look like? Sounds a lot like what we have had in store for Iraq. Let's take a listen. In the social media post Sunday, President Trump wrote this, quote,
Starting point is 00:28:32 hopefully the IRGC and police will peacefully merge with the Iranian patriots and work together as a unit to bring back the country to the greatness it deserves. Is hope the plan for the future of Iran? No, the future of Iran is going to be determined by the Iranian people. The new Iran, whatever it is, whether it's a cleric or representative democracy, our goal is to make sure it cannot become, again, the largest state sponsor of terrorism. That's a win for us. But is there a plan to make sure that happens, Senator? Is there a plan? Does the president have a plan to guarantee that that happens?
Starting point is 00:29:18 No, it's not his job or my job to do this. How many times I have to tell you? Our job is to make sure Iran is no longer the largest state sponsor terrorism to help the people reconstruct a new government, no boots on the ground. We don't own, you know this idea you break it, you own it. I don't buy that one bit. It's in America's interest to make sure the Ayatollah is dead. He's dead. He's dead. doesn't buy that you break it, you own it. He says, uh, Wodges the question there about any sort of plan that's currently in place. As you were saying earlier, it seems now like a literal madhouse in this government. Literally, sir, while you were talking, I just have to read you
Starting point is 00:29:58 this quote from the Secretary of Defense. This is not a so-called regime change war, but the regime sure did change. This is what we're dealing with now currently. Yeah, is Secretary of War, I have to correct you. We don't have defense. I said Secretary of Defense, but yeah. We, we, we, we, We have war. Yeah. Well, I've spent decades along with bemoaning BB Netanyahu and Clean Break, thinking that Lindsey Graham is the stupidest person in Washington, the most vile. That's a very tough competition, by the way.
Starting point is 00:30:31 But that man has never opened his mouth in 30 years without wanting more deaths of other people. And now he also says so clearly no responsibility. I would like the American people to understand. I'm sure that they do. But just to clarify, we have been meddling in and destroying Iran now for 73 years actively. It was in 1953 that the CIA and MI6 overthrew the democratically elected and popular government of Prime Minister Mossadegh. They did it because Mossadegh had the complete audacity to say that the oil in Iran should belong to the Iranian people. This was far too much for Alan Dulles at the CIA and for MI6, who knew full well that the oil in Iran belongs to Britain and to the United States. So they overthrew him.
Starting point is 00:31:35 In that case, there was a, quote, successful regime change operation which put in place a police. state. The state led by the puppet, the Shah of Iran. In 1979, he was overthrown in a mass revulsion against decades of an American imposed police state, and this government came into power. Immediately, immediately, the United States armed Iraq to kill hundreds of thousands of Iranians in the Iraq-Iran war between 1980 and 1988. Saddam Hussein was our guy. He was the CIA's guy. Of course, when the CIA is done with you, they kill you. So Saddam became the worst enemy of the United States soon afterwards, after he had done the bidding of the United States for years. Since then, it has been, actually now I know it's since 1986, it's been Bibi Netanyahu's a dream to overthrow the Iranian government.
Starting point is 00:32:44 I always counted it as 1996. But the United States has been using every subterfuge, covert operation. It has been using assassinations, economic warfare, crushing the Iranians, Iranian economy ever since. The Iranians have said all that time they don't want a nuclear weapon. Dibi Netanyahu, who is a psychopath, said in 1996, they're weeks away, days away, months away. And he's been saying that for 30 years. For all I know, he's been saying it for 40 years. He is a vulgar, blatant, genocidal liar. I hope I'm being clear. This is a. we're dealing with something absolutely dangerous in this world that is running our country.
Starting point is 00:33:40 So it's extremely dangerous. The Iranians did not want a nuclear weapon. The religious leader, who they just assassinated, was the one that said no nuclear weapons. It's against Islam. So kill him. It had nothing to do with nuclear weapons all this time. the Iranians reached out constantly to negotiate. And in 2015, they concluded an agreement with the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China, and Germany, the P5 countries plus one called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.
Starting point is 00:34:20 And it put Iran strictly under UN supervision in the International Atomic Energy Agency. Bibi Netanyahu had a fit because he wanted to overthrow the government. He did not want peaceful relations with a non-nuclear Iran. So Donald Trump, who is a puppet of our CIA, Mossad, and Miriam Adelson and the rest, ripped up the JCPOA in 2018. That's the story. Then they bombed one of Iran's nuclear facilities. And by the way, during the period from 2015 to 2018, Iran stuck with the agreement, even though the United States cheated on the agreement that it signed because it was supposed to end the U.S. sanctions, which it did not do.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Then Trump ripped it up. Then they began a campaign of assassinations. Then they began bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. And that's the story. They don't want an agreement. Last year, they negotiated. And then in the middle of the negotiations, bombed Iran. This year, again, they negotiated and then bombed Iran. You might ask, why did Iran come back to the negotiating table this time after the falsity last time? I'll tell you why.
Starting point is 00:35:56 It's a little strange. It's a little weird. But nobody behaves as badly as the United States. So it's very hard to calibrate when there is a government that says, we're negotiating. When they bring in a mediator, in this case, Oman, when the U.S. negotiators, Whitkoff and Kushner, say, oh, we're making progress. It's hard for other people to calibrate the evil that's under it. This was a premeditated war, and the negotiations are a pretext. So this is what's happening.
Starting point is 00:36:39 It's amazing. You don't see this anywhere else in the world. By the way, at the emergency meeting of the UN Security Council that I attended on Saturday, you see how we're in the looking glass because one country after another attacked Iran for its violence. Even Bahrain called it unprovoked attack by Iran. Well, it's actually easy to do the scorecard. If your country hosts the U.S. military, first of all, it means that you also host. the CIA, it means you're an occupied country. And so everyone that spoke against Iran is an
Starting point is 00:37:28 occupied country by the United States. These are not independent countries. When we listen to Mertz or to Macron or to the Danes or to the British, the U.S. military and CIA is all over those countries and has been for decades. These are not independent voices. These are part of the vassal states of the empire. This empire is destroying itself in its bloodiness, its bloody-mindedness, its murders, its wars, its debts, the trillions of dollars we're spending in this. But this is an empire that is behaving so shockingly that others actually can't calibrate. They don't understand that negotiation means we will come to murder you. And that the best thing is, we will murder your religious leader. Let me go ahead and put E5 up on the screen to your point about the
Starting point is 00:38:30 Gulf allies here. So there was a Saudi analyst who went on Al Jazeera and told them, quote, America has abandoned us and focused its defense systems on protecting Israel, leaving the Gulf states that host its military bases at the mercy of Iranian. missiles and drones. And we have seen some impacts throughout the region, including, you know, unbelievable images in Dubai, which is, of course, a playground of the global rich where some of the luxury hotels have been hit. I can scarcely wrap my head around the level of, you know, damage, brand damage and economic damage that will be done over the long term. What do you make of these comments and potentially a reassessment that is being done here by the Saudis, as
Starting point is 00:39:16 They see that the U.S.'s number one priority is ourselves and the Israelis. Well, I would refer them to two observations. First, by President John F. Kennedy in his inaugural address, he said those who would ride on the back of the tiger often find themselves inside it. In other words, you ride on the back of a violent empire, you become a victim. So the Saudis have known full well. They host U.S. military bases. The Gulf countries host U.S. military bases. The behavior of the United States is brazen and illegal. So this is what comes. I would also cite Henry Kissinger's famous adage that to be an enemy of the United States is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal. So these countries need to grow up. They need to understand. Does the Arab world want to be vassal of the United States? I don't think so. Does that provide them security?
Starting point is 00:40:19 I don't think so. And incidentally, the damage to an entrepoux like Dubai is devastating. This is supposed to be the place where it's safe to bring your family, to bring your money, to come for vacation, not to be in a hotel that is bombed. This will have a very, very long shadow on the region. But that is the miscalculation that these countries have made. They've watched the United States and Israel committed genocide in Gaza. They were quiet because they're occupied.
Starting point is 00:40:56 They think this is safe. This is not safe. The safety in our world is to speak the truth. It's not to go along with the brazen evil of power. Finally, I'm just curious for how you think... We talked there about the UN Security Council. There's been a lot of big talk by the President of Canada or the Prime Minister of Canada.
Starting point is 00:41:17 The New World Order is changing. He immediately supports the regime-changed war with Iran. You just talked here about the vassal states of Europe. For how long are their populations going to put up with this? We just did a segment about blowback specifically across the entire Middle East, including a possible terrorist attack right here on our own country, reminiscent of many of the scenes from the war in Iraq.
Starting point is 00:41:36 in the so-called global war on terror. Do you think this is going to be a prolonged kind of earth-shaking geopolitical movement? Or is there any point at all for us to be able to pull back from the brink and Trump can just falsely declare victory and move on? Or is just the genie out of the bottle completely? I just want to point out that a momentous event last week, which seems like a different world because it is, was when the German chancellor, Mertz, went to China. And there were clips of him watching the Chinese robots performing.
Starting point is 00:42:12 He was watching something the United States can't do, Europe can't do. He was watching a country that is at peace and that is moving forward technologically, that is investing, that is at the frontier of technology. And the United States, in the meantime, is mass murdering people, killing people, running a budget deficit of 7% of GDP, and can't keep our goddamn infrastructure working at all. You come back to any American infrastructure, any airport, nothing works, not the escalators, not the elevators, not the walkways, nothing works. Our government is half shut down. So the reality is we are doing ourselves in this way under this quest for global
Starting point is 00:42:59 hegemony. That's the real story here. How self-destructive this is. By the way, how much Trump lied every word about claiming that he was going to stop this. He didn't stop it at all. He just opened up the floodgates of more killing. Professor Sachs, thank you, as always for your insights. We're really grateful for your time this morning. Thank you, sir. Great to be with you. Thank you. Canadian women are looking for more. More into themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world are out of them. And that's why we're thrilled to introduce the Honest Talk podcast. I'm Jennifer Stewart.
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Starting point is 00:45:57 Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, guys, we've got yet another heavy hitter guest and first-time guest on the show. Professor Zhang, he is the star of the popular YouTube channel Predictive History. He uses game theory to analyze past, current, and to predict future geopolitical events. And he joins us now. Professor, great to have you. Good to see you, sir. Thanks for inviting me. Yeah, of course.
Starting point is 00:46:27 So, you know, for people who aren't familiar with your work, I wanted to show folks that back in 2024, you made three big predictions. One, that Trump would win. Two, that he would start a war with Iran. And three, that the U.S. would lose that war. Let's take a listen to that. In this class, the semester, I'm making three big predictions, right? First is that Trump will win in November. Second is that the United States will go to war against Iran.
Starting point is 00:47:02 And the third big prediction is that the United States will lose this war, which will forever change the global order. So obviously that last one is the only one that has not yet come to fruition is quite a stunning prediction. Do you stand by it? And what have you seen so far that leads you to sort of stand firm in that conclusion? So given my analysis of how the war is progressing, I think that Iran has many more advantages over the United States. The reality is that right now, it's a war of attrition between the United States and Iran, and the Iranians have been preparing 20 years for this conflict. In their eschatology, in their religion, this is a war against the great Satan.
Starting point is 00:47:50 They've had many practice runs. Last June was a 12-day war when the Iranians were able to examine and analyze the strike capacities of both the Israelis and Americans. And they've had a lot of time, eight months, to prepare fully for this new attack. They, through their proxies, the hoofies, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Shia militias, have been able to really grasp the American mentality, and now they have a pretty good strategy of how to weaken and ultimately destroy the American empire. So what the Iranians are doing is
Starting point is 00:48:38 they're waging war against the entire global economy. And so they are striking the GCC countries, and not only are they striking GCC countries, American bases. They're going after the critical, energy infrastructure of these bases. They blocked up the traffic Homoos, and eventually they will go after the water desalidation plants, which is a lifeblood of these nations because they don't have fresh water supply.
Starting point is 00:49:05 In fact, the water desalination plants provides 60% of the DCC's water supply. So if a drone, and these drones cost $50,000, if they wiped out a desalienation plant in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and it's a city of 10 million people, right? They be out of watering two weeks in two weeks. And right now, the Iranians have de facto close off the Shrevehomuz, and the GCC gets 90% of its food from the Shavuomuz. So I know a lot of you're talking about the disruptions to the global economy, but right now the Iranians are actually threatening the very existence of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar.
Starting point is 00:49:58 And what this is important is that the Gulf states are really the linchpin of the American economy. So what they do is they sell petrol dollars and then they recycle the petal dollars back into the American economy for the investments in the stock market. And right now, we know that the entire American economy is propped up by AI investments in data centers. And a lot of that comes from the Gulf states. So if the Gulf states are not longer able to sell oil and they're not longer able to finance this AI bubble in the United States, then this AI will burst. And with it, will burst as well as well as the entire American economy. economy, which is really a financial policy scheme. So that's a dire situation that the markets are facing right now.
Starting point is 00:50:52 Yeah, I mean, to your points, sir, an Amazon data center was literally hit in the UAE. And now, of course, big tech companies, which were looking at the UAE is a major potential data center investment hub with cheap and abundant energy, probably going to be rethinking that. We also wanted to talk to you about munitions. We can put this next one up here on the screen. The United States is racing to accomplish Iran mission before munitions run out. this is specifically around interceptor math. There's a famous video just from yesterday in Israel,
Starting point is 00:51:20 which shows a single Iranian ballistic missile, which is being targeted by some 11 different interceptors, all of which miss. Most of those come from the United States, not to mention all of the different bases, the GCC countries that you just talked about, and the asymmetry of the cost, it's a million dollar for a missile,
Starting point is 00:51:38 tens of millions per interceptor in some of these cases. With these munitions running out, how does that change the global picture? So here in China, obviously, much of the stocks in Asia of the United States are likely to have to be cannibalized if this were to go on. How is that going to affect the global picture here? Right.
Starting point is 00:51:55 So my first point is that the United States military is not designed to fight a 21st century war. Remember that the military-industrial complex came to being after World War II, and it was designed to fight the Cold War. And the Cold War was really about muscle flexing, about who was able to send people up in space, was able to first get the person on the moon, who had the more complex missile systems.
Starting point is 00:52:21 And so the entire American military strategy revolves around very sophisticated technology that cost a lot of money to build. And that's what the American air defense system is, is basically. And that's why we're seeing this asymmetry, as you point out, in this war, where you have these million-dollar missiles trying to take out these $50,000 drone, and it's not sustainable in the long term. And so what we're seeing is really the puncturing
Starting point is 00:52:52 of the aura of invincibility and inevitability that sustained American hegemony for the past 20 years, especially after the collapse of the Soviet Union. And this is really a reordering of not just a global economy because this signals the collapse of the petra dollar and with it
Starting point is 00:53:10 the entire, U.S. dollar-based reserve currency system, but also the global hegemony of the United States, we're moving towards a multipolar world. Professor, this morning, Secretary of War, Pete Heggseth, was asked a question about potential ground troops in Iran. He refused to rule out that possibility. And he said, you know, oh, well, we're not going to project to you, what we will or will not do, what we don't want to, you know, rule anything out.
Starting point is 00:53:42 do what it takes. Do you think that America will end up invading Iran from the ground, since it's already becoming relatively clear, they won't be able to accomplish the goal of regime change or even regime collapse using just air power alone? Right. So everyone says that the worst calamity that could happen in the United States is if it were to send ground troops into Iran. At the same time, the United States are committed to regime change in Iran. We've never had a precedent in history, where you were able to regime change from the era alone. You need ground troops. And so unfortunately, what's going to happen over the next few months
Starting point is 00:54:20 is that pressure will build on America to stand ground troops, especially from the GCC countries and from Israel, which are being pounded right now by the Iranians. So remember that if the GCC country, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, if they go, then the petra dollar goes with them. So the Americans need to protect these countries, and these countries are going to demand that either the Americans bribe the Iranians to seize, and this is like $5,20 in indemnity, okay?
Starting point is 00:54:55 Or send ground troops to wipe out the Iranian threat once and for all. And I know that there's no political will for ground troops to be used against Iran, among the American people. But remember that 70% of American people was against initial strikes against Iran in the first place. Right. And one of the things that really comes into question,
Starting point is 00:55:18 I think with all of this, sir, when we're looking at the geopolitical picture and the sacrificing in much of this from the United States on behalf of Israel, is kind of a question as to who and what wanted this. We were actually curious, for your view, on a disputed report here from the Washington Post.
Starting point is 00:55:33 We can put it up here on the screen, F3, a push from the Saudis, Israel helped move Trump to attack Iran. Now, this has been internally disputed by Saudi Arabia saying that they did not push the Trump administration to attack Iran. However, this is clearly an authorized leak from our own government, trying to at least lay some of the blame on behalf of the GCC. What do you make of this analysis and of this narrative that Saudi Arabia was also trying to be behind this push to bomb Iran?
Starting point is 00:56:01 So I've always argued that both Saudi Arabia and Israel are heavily interested. invested in regime change in Iran. In fact, Saudi Arabia sees Iran as much more of an existential crisis than Israel. Because remember, Israel still has nuclear weapons. And Israel is a very diverse, very sophisticated economy, whereas Saudi Arabia is completely reliant on oil. And it's always had problems with Iran because Iran is a the bureaucracy opposed to the Saudi monarchy. Iran funds and equips the Houthis, which have been antagonistic towards Saudi Arabia for the longest time.
Starting point is 00:56:41 And right now, the Saudi economy is suffering. It's been trying to pivot towards more of a tourist economy. That's why they brought in Renato. That's why they're switching to e-gaming. That's why they're building something called a line, Neum. And all these things are not working out. So they need to be able to control the oil resources of the entire Middle East if they are to survive and thrive as a nation.
Starting point is 00:57:07 So I do believe that this reporting is credible, even though it does make Saudi Arabia look bad. But remember, Saudi Arabia says that they wanted peace, but they are helping the Israelis and Americans attack Iran right now because they're allowing the Israelis and Americans to use Saudi airspace. So help us understand, because it still feels to me like there are some pieces that don't totally add up. You had in advance of this war on Iran. You had top military bras up to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff saying, this is a really bad idea.
Starting point is 00:57:44 You know, we are not ready for this. You know, all the math on the interceptors that's been talked about for months at this point. And yet Trump still decided to go ahead. what is the calculus that he was making here that led him to take what, you know, already appears to be catastrophic actions? Right, okay. So this is the key question. Why do they do this? I think there are three possibilities, okay? And I think all three possibilities are valid. The first is the idea of hubris. If you look at history, this is how empires behave. So the Mandora kidnapping was quick, successful, and it was adrenaline rush for transatlantic. And that made him overconfident in the capacity of the American military. Okay? So hubris is a factor.
Starting point is 00:58:32 And we see this throughout history. Why did Hitler invade Stalin because he conquered Europe really easily and he thought it was invincible, right? And that led to the destruction of the German army in the Soviet Union. So hubris is a factor. Then you have to look at internal political calculus where even though America does that benefit from this war against Iran, Trump himself part. personally benefits. Why? Because the Saudis and Israelis are bribing him to attack Iran. Remember that the Saudis invested $2 billion in the private equity fund of Jared Kushner, who is the Senate
Starting point is 00:59:08 Law of Donald Trump. And the Israelis through Mayor Edelson have been financing Trump's local career. Right. So Mayor Edelson, a few months back said that she will put up $2050 million if Trump were to run a third term. So Trump is getting a lot of financial and political support from the Saudis and Israelis. Also remember that if this war goes sideways and Trump is forced to use ground troops, he will probably get approval from Congress, and this will give him emergency war powers, which will allow him to influence the midterms. So Trump is thinking about a third term.
Starting point is 00:59:49 And I think at the public box, he probably won't get it. But if there's a war going on and you can delay elections and you have emergency war powers and people rally around the flag, then he probably will get a third term. And the last factor that is very important is the eschatological factor where if you look at the Epson Fowls, it's clear that we are run by secret societies. It's clear that the world is run by these individuals who have a lot of power. We don't know who they are, but they control the military. they control the national security apparatus.
Starting point is 01:00:23 And these people, there are different names for these people. You can call them the Illuminati. And the Illamati are composed of three major groups. You have the Jesuits who control the Vatican. You have the Sephir Frankis, which control the modern system of Israel today. You have the Freemasons, which control the national security apparatus of the United States.
Starting point is 01:00:42 And they believe that Israel, this war in the Middle East, is key to the end times, in creating heaven on earth. So it's almost like a script that they're following, even though it doesn't make any duplical sense. Okay, so I would say that these three are the best reasons why this is happening. Wow.
Starting point is 01:01:02 Well, sir, I hope you come back. This was very informative, I think, for both of us. We deeply appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. We went a little bit late today, so we're going to be doing the AMA tomorrow, so we'll see you all then.
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