Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 3/29/24: Your Car Is Spying On You, West Virginia Water Contamination Crisis

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

James Li interviews Mozilla's Jen Caltrider on car manufacturers collecting personal data through vehicle hardware. Then Jordan Chariton speaks to a resident in West Virginia suffering from the contaminated water crisis.Subscribe to Jordan at Status Coup: https://www.youtube.com/ @StatusCoupSubscribe to James at 51-49: https://www.youtube.com/ @5149jamesli   To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: https://breakingpoints.supercast.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They're collecting information about, they said they could collect information about your sex life, your sexual activity, your union membership, your genetic information, your biometrics. On top of all the car usage data of where you're driving, when you're driving, how fast you're driving, how many people are in the car, what radio stations you're listening to, and on and on and on. It was huge. It was really frightening, actually. Is your car spying on you? My name is James Lee, and you're watching Beyond the Headlines on Brake Points. Many people think of their car as a private space, somewhere to call their doctor, have a personal conversation, cry over a breakup, or hit the open road

without the world knowing where you're headed. But that perception no longer matches reality. According to Mozilla Research, popular global brands including BMW, Ford, Toyota, Tesla, Kia, and Subaru can collect deeply personal data such as sexual activity, immigration status, race, facial expressions, weight, health and genetic information, and where you drive with data collected by sensors, microphones, race, facial expressions, weight, health and genetic information, and where you drive with data collected by sensors, microphones, cameras, and phones and devices drivers connect to their cars, as well as by car apps, company websites, dealerships, and vehicle telematics.

Where does all this information go? Who has access to it? And for what purposes are they using it? Joining us today is Jen Kaltreiter, Program Director of Privacy Not Included, a Mozilla initiative and guide that helps consumers understand privacy and security features of various technology products and services. Jen, thank you for joining us today. Yeah, thanks for having me. All right. I want to start with the report itself. The Mozilla report found that all 25

major car brands reviewed received failing marks for consumer privacy. I was wondering what exactly it means to receive a failing mark. If you can go into that a little bit and share with us some of the, maybe some of the most surprising, perhaps startling findings you guys came across. Yeah. So all 25 of the car brands we reviewed across 15 car companies earned our privacy not included warning label. And what that means is we ding companies for how much data they collect, how they use that data. So are they sharing it for targeted advertising purposes? Are they selling it? Things like that. How much control a user has over their data? So can you get your data deleted no

matter where you live or only if you live in a state where your privacy right is guaranteed? We look at companies' known track records. So do they have a good track record of protecting and respecting and securing the information that they collect on people? We also have a set of minimum security standards that we look at for every product we review. Does it use encryption? Does it require a strong password? Things like that. And so with the reviewing of the car companies, we found, like our eyes were bugging out when we found how much data these car companies said in their privacy policies that they could collect on users. And so you ask, well, what are some of the things that really surprised us? And I mean, first off was just the scope of how much information these car companies said they could collect.

And you think about, okay, a car should collect the information it needs to get me from point A to point B safely, right? Okay, that's like kind of the place where you start. Car companies felt like they went way beyond that. They're collecting information about, they said they could collect information about your sex life, your sexual activity, your union membership, your genetic information, your biometrics, on top of all the car usage data of where you're driving, when you're driving, how fast you're driving, how many people are in the car, what radio stations you're listening to, and on and on and on. It was huge. It was really frightening, actually.

Wow. So you mentioned right now something very startling, like sexual activity, health information, these kinds of things. So what mechanisms or technologies are they using in the car to get that kind of data? That's a good question. So we know that all modern cars are smart cars. It's not like you can go to the lot right now and buy a dumb car because all the cars that they're selling on the lots now pretty much are cars that have sensors built in to track your speed, your braking, whether you're wearing your seatbelt. They have microphones in the cars. They have cameras in the cars and outside the cars. So there's a lot of data that is being collected and the potential for the data that they can collect everything. And this is kind of the tip

of the iceberg. I just read some information last week about a company that was developing technology to use the indoor in-car cameras to study our emotions and moods to know what we're feeling when we're in our car. And so that's really scary. So they can collect the information through the sensors, the microphones, the cameras. How are they collecting information about your sex life or even are they? That's something that I can't answer. I'm not inside of the car companies to know what they're doing. But all I can say for certain is if you buy a Nissan or a Kia, the privacy policies that we reviewed last year made you consent to it that said that they could collect that information. So you mentioned a couple of brands there. So I'm wondering if you

guys spotted any regional differences between manufacturers and how they collect data or how much data they collect between, let's say, North American manufacturers versus European ones, Asian ones? Was there any difference to how they approach this issue of data privacy? Yeah. So we reviewed the privacy documentation as best we could find it for kind of North American cars, mostly US-based. And we also looked at EU privacy documentation. And so privacy documentation varies a little bit. In the EU, they have what's called GDPR, which is their privacy-protecting law. It gives consumers rights, right to be deleted, right to not have data collected without you, without your explicit consent, things like that.

In the U.S., we don't have a federal privacy law. And so you'll read the American privacy laws and you'll get an addendum for what's happening in California or maybe in Colorado or Virginia or a place like that. But across the board, car companies are saying they can collect a lot of information. In the EU, consumers are protected they have certain rights so everybody there will have the right to delete data here in the US not everybody will have the right to delete data consent is required to be gotten

a little more explicitly in the EU than it is here in the US and so those were the major differences I think looking at EU privacy policies they don't tend to go in as much detail about the data how the data is collected or what data is collected and how it is used. And you will get that in North American privacy policies.

And you spoke a little bit about consent. So I'm wondering if we dive into that a little bit more. Specifically, when we think of consent, we usually think in terms of social media companies, online services, apps, things like that, where we physically click that we agree to specific terms and conditions, albeit I don't think many of us actually read the document itself. But how does this happen, let's say, with the owner of a car or even a passenger in a vehicle? How do they give consent to the manufacturer? Yeah, consent is a really tricky issue, especially when it comes to cars. I, you know, my family bought a car last year.

At no point was I required to consent to the privacy policy for the car company that I bought. I chose not to download the app. If I downloaded the app, there would have been an opportunity to look at that privacy policy probably when the app was downloaded. And then the use of the connected services. Sometimes something will flash on the screen really quickly. Hey, do you consent to this? But to sit in a car and scroll through, you know, 5,000 words of a legal document isn't usually the way that people are going to do it. And so consent is really tricky. And we saw this with the story that came out from the New York Times recently, where GM was collecting usage data on people's cars, sharing that with data brokers, the insurance companies were buying it from the data brokers and people's

interest rates were going up. GM says, oh, we never did that without consent. But the consumers are like, I don't remember ever consenting to this. And it was a feature in their OnStar. And so, you know, whether it happened at the dealer, we're hearing a lot about when people buy cars, the salespeople are actually incentivized to get them to download the app and accept all conditions or sign up for connected services. And the car companies really push this. And so you might not have realized before you drove off the lot when the car salesman was walking you through the features, they actually consented for you and you didn't realize it. And then it's hard to go in and an unconsent, you know, once you've consented, it's really hard to kind of pull that back. And so, and then there's apps and then there's connected services. You know, if you use Sirius XM, do you recall when you consented? So that's a problem. Consent is very murky. Car companies aren't very explicitly getting it. And then there's the funny parts that are kind of funny, haha, but also funny said,

where you read the privacy policies and it'll say, hey, you know, if you use these connected services in your car, you consent to all this data being collected. And anybody who becomes a passenger in your car is consented to this privacy policy as well. And it's your duty as the driver of this car to let the person, the passenger know about this privacy policy, which is just ridiculous, right? Nobody picks their buddy up to go to a movie and says, hold on before we leave, let me read you this privacy policy and make sure you consent to this data collection. That's just not how it works. And so consent is very, it's a very dark subject. It's a very bad subject when it comes to this and it needs to be improved. Absolutely. Yeah. It seems very, very disturbing. So I'm wondering if, have you received any

specific responses from consumers after they've read your report? What's the vibe that we're getting from the people? Yeah. So I think the first reaction from people was like, holy cow, what is happening? Which is great because when we were doing the research, that was our reaction too. We're like, holy cow, what's going on? This is really bad. How come no one's talking about this? And so we were really pleased to see that it wasn't just us that were feeling that way when we put our research out. Like other people were like, holy cow, I had no idea. And I think that's in part because people don't buy cars all that frequently. And if you bought a car 10 years ago, you might not know that you go to buy a car now and privacy is even something you need to contemplate. And

people can't rank privacy as something they do when they, you know, go car shopping. They have to look at price and affordability and safety and availability. And then, you know, people started sharing their own stories of the car salesmen that really pushed them to sign up for things because they would get a bonus if you signed up. We heard lots of stories from people that were trying to opt out and figure out how to opt out and just being really confused about how to do it. And can I disable the cellular data? Well, maybe, but you might void your warranty.

Can I ask my dealer to stop doing this? It's like, well, the dealer and the car company aren't always on the same page about data collection and data sharing. They're kind of pointing fingers back and forth at each other. So you might not get straight answers. You know, lots of stories like that. It was an interesting story in Australia where a Toyota owner, lifelong Toyota owner, I think, went to buy a new Toyota, put the deposit down.

And then while he's waiting for the vehicle to come in, learned about the privacy concerns, contacted the dealer and said, I didn't know about this. Can I opt out? And they were like, well, you can opt out, but it's not like you're going to have your data collected probably. And he's like, well, I don't want the car, but they wouldn't give him back his deposit. He got a consumer group involved. And after a lot of back and forth with the dealer and the car company and people pointing fingers, he eventually got his deposit back. But it was a struggle. And so I think the biggest response is people were surprised and shocked and kind of angered. And then asking, well, what can we do? What options do we have? And unfortunately, I'm not able to give consumers a lot of good options because you can look and do your best to opt out of things and try not to give your consent. But again, I worry that it's very confusing and sometimes consent might not be explicitly asked. You can not download and use the app, which is what I did, but you're giving up some features

in your car that people might find really useful. You can not use the connected services, but you might be paying for them anyways. Or, you know, you'll get the free trial and not realize that by agreeing to that free trial, you're giving up a lot of data and you might not be able to delete your data. And so what I end up telling people is, you know, it's time for the U.S. to have a strong federal privacy law where people have rights and car companies have to do better. Yeah. I'm glad I bought a car like seven years ago. So hearing all this stuff. I read recently that according to a McKinsey report, the monetization of car data, that's what we're talking about here, is projected to be a huge industry, $750 billion. So we understand what's in it for the manufacturer, but for the consumer,

it seems like there's a whole lot of issues there. How have the car manufacturers tried to justify this or spin this maybe in a positive way? The report, I know I read in there that there was, you guys mentioned privacy washing in the findings, meaning that they're pretending to protect consumers' privacy without actually doing so. I'm wondering what your thoughts on this are.

Yeah. Well, the car company's favorite argument about why they need all this data is for safety. Oh, we need all this data for safety reasons. This is just for safety. We're not collecting data to make money off you. We're collecting data for safety reasons. And to be fair, some of the data they collect is for safety. But we think that the amount of data that they collect to get you from point A to point B safely is way more than they need to. And we found it very funny that, you know, the car companies would, at the top of their privacy policy, say, we really care about your privacy and we've created these privacy principles and we've signed on to them. And then you go and read the privacy principles. It's not things they're doing at all.

They're not minimizing their data collection. They aren't being very transparent in everything they do. They don't have great consent mechanisms where, you know, people's choice is very clear and explicit. And so we called them out on that. I think that maybe they would disagree, but I think consumers will probably maybe take a look at those privacy principles and also kind of feel what we're feeling. It's like, no, you're not doing these things. Or if you are, you're doing them really poorly. Can you do better? Right. Yeah. I know we don't have this, any type of federal privacy law, like you just talked about. Is there any, or have you guys seen any regulatory pressure at all to

enact such a law to protect consumer privacy? Or is this going to be kind of, I guess, what you would call just the way things are going forward. Well, I hope it's not just the way things are going forward. It's my job to be pessimistic and optimistic. So yeah, there's a couple of things afoot. I mean, there is a draft of a federal privacy law that's been in existence. It's kind of languishing. One of the really positive things that we've seen since our research come out as Senator Ed Markey has gotten involved. He sent letters to the car company, the CEOs of 14 car companies, asking them to clarify the questions that we couldn't get answered. He was disappointed in the responses and has asked the FTC to step in and use the full force of their investigative power to try and hold the car companies accountable for that. So that's a good step forward.

As for the federal privacy law, well, that's something that we're pushing. You know, like every time I get an opportunity to tell people that they should support this strong consumer federal privacy law, I do it because I think that's what we need. Interestingly, the car companies will also say we need a strong federal, we need a, they'll say they need it, we need a federal privacy law. I don't think that our version and their version is quite the same, though. One of the reasons they say that is they claim that states having a patchwork of privacy makes it really difficult for them, which kind of makes me chuckle because I'm like, well, just pick the state with the strongest privacy and apply that to everybody. That seems really easy, but it doesn't seem like something they're keen to do.

Yeah, but I do like your mindset right there of being pessimistic and optimistic at the same time. So kudos to you guys and the rest of folks at Mozilla for staying on top of this. Where can the audience find more of your work? Oh, yeah. Well, privacynotincluded.org is our buyer's guide where you can go and see our car reviews

or reviews for your smart speaker, your fitness tracker, other things. So go there. And if you see something that we didn't review that you'd like to review, we have a link there. And let us know. We love to, like, hear from people and try and learn what they want us to review. So PrivacyNotIncluded.org. Everybody go check that out. And thank you, Jen, again for coming on the show

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that looks like it's contaminated from coal mines. It was nothing compared to what we had coming out over and out of the field. So a private well, private water wells, residents all over this community, most of them have water wells, and it's supposed to be water from the aquifer. Yes. But that looks like... It's coming from a coal mine. Right.

They're saying it's coming from a coal mine, yeah. And there's coal mines all over the place here. Yes. We've seen water that have white particles and green looking fungus. I had a hydrologist send me pictures too. That's living. All that white stuff, it's a living organism. It's growing. That's growing. Oh my God.

For over a year, residents have been coming down with illnesses. What are the main symptoms you've been seeing? Nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, coughing in some cases, fever and abdominal cramps. Some residents have suddenly died recently of unknown causes, and animals are dropping dead abruptly. Please subscribe to Status Coup News on YouTube so we can get more support to keep on this important story that the corporate media is totally burying. So we're in the backwoods, West Virginia, Wyoming County. Right down below this

hill is Indian Creek, which sort of looks contaminated to me. I see some stuff in there that looks like a sheen. I don't know if it's oil or something, but you live here, Paul, and tell me about when you first started noticing there were issues with the water. You could start smelling it, and I come out and look, and yeah, you could see it's been a while now at least over a year yes and if you could see from right here you

could see it right there really bad see the brown kind of almost looks like brown clay or sediment look the DP doesn't give a shit about this place. Look. Look at this. We're going to walk on down through here. I know when I was driving down here, probably about a quarter of a mile, I looked and it was just as dirty. Look at this, guys.

Look. This is your DEP, bae. West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection. This is your protection. That is not normal in a fresh creek. We've seen videos from Richard showing that brown stuff. Some independent testing has tested for high levels of manganese, lead, arsenic, iron. But the state environmental testing, they test for who knows, only four things, and I don't know what they are.

They say it's safe, but, I mean, your eyes and your nose won't lie. Right now it doesn't smell so bad, but when it's hotter or it rains the smell gets worse oh yes when it gets warmer it it really gets bad yeah you have to keep your door shut you can't stand smell smells just like sewage like what sewage and uh you you reached out Senator Manchin's office. Tell me about what happened there. Okay, when I reached Senator Manchin's office, first lady I spoke with, she was from the Charleston office, and she tried to help me what she could, but when it came down to paying for my my well water testing, because it was a public well. They told me in the beginning they was gonna pay for it.

And then the lady at the Charleston office, I wasn't usin' her no more, a lady from another office was contacting me that I had used before. When I asked them to pay for the water he told me they wouldn't pay for it so I called back and told the lady I said I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher so I hung up and it must have made him mad so they called me back a man did and, and he told me, he said, that was a state issue, not a federal issue,

and don't call back. And this was a man from the Charleston office or the D.C. office? I'm not sure which office it was from, but it was from his office, and I also have the number in there from where they had called. So let me get this straight. Manchin is the senator of the state of West Virginia, yet they told you it was a state issue and not a federal issue, so he couldn't help you. Yes. And kept

wanting me to fill out papers for them to represent me. And I did it, and then what they would do, they'd just keep sending papers to try to have. But when it came to the money of having the well or the water from the creek, they wasn't going to pay for that. What were they sending you papers for? Paper to represent me because they couldn't do it on their own. They had to have my signature.

I'm not an expert on land ownership, but he is the elected senator of West Virginia. I don't think he needs your signature to come down here and inspect or look into a contaminated creek and residents that are sick. I don't know. It sounds like they just kind of gave you the go-around. Yeah, they did. I filled out three papers. I have filled out three papers. And the man did say that to me, not to call back, that it was a state, not a federal issue.

Can I ask you, I've talked to residents who their dogs have died, roosters suddenly dying, their cats have gotten sick and died. I've been seeing coons, been seeing deer dead, seeing my dogs get this like they're sick one day and they're dead the next before you can even take them to the vet or anything. How many dogs do you think you've lost? Two. I've had about 20 roosters die, sick one day and they're dead the next before you can even take them to the bed or anything how many dogs you think you've lost two i've had about 20 roosters down my dogs anything it drinks out of that creek i have to go buy it store bought water it'll die here are they are the ones that are left drinking out of the creeks though no i buy water go they deliver water i ain't got many left i ain't got three roosters left out of about 30.

Your cats have had issues. Were they ever drinking out of the creek or just inhaling? Inhaling. Inhaling. Yeah. So the cats were also smelling this. And you've had to take them to the vet for respiratory stuff? Yes.

Right. Now when they were born, they could meow. They can't meow. So what you're saying is when they were born, they could meow, and now they can't. They're getting health problems. I just spoke with a woman. Bad diarrhea, nausea. I ain't been able to breathe hardly.

As you can tell, I'm a little hoarse. And we've had diarrhea and stuff going on pretty bad at my house. Have you been having diarrhea or anything else? It's just sick in my stomach. I've got to go see a specialist over my stomach right now. I'm just wanting to puke. I just don't have an appetite and stuff. But, yeah, the headaches, the dryness in my mouth, the funny taste in my mouth. You seem fairly young.

I don't know. I mean, I'm not at. I'll be 41 next month. Right. So before all this, were you relatively healthy? Yeah, I didn't have no problem. I can get doctor records for you. Could these kind of things right now, it's causing, you know, the stomach stuff, but could this lead to potentially worse issues down the road? Yes. Digesting all these chemicals that we are seeing

that has been tested for these whales can cause cancer. It can cause all kinds of different things so especially if it's not treated. So if they're continuing to drink this and they're not being notified that hey this water is really bad and has all these chemicals and they just keep drinking it it's not going to be a good result in the end. Have you had any issues from showering or drinking the water? Yeah, I've had trouble from, I'm scarred up, I'm across my shoulders from showering in the water. If you want to show. So all those white marks and splotches are? They were bumps, and then when they would would heal it would leave me scarred

and did uh when did you start noticing that or when were you told that those were on your skin um i had a biopsy done i had a biopsy done you got some in the front too yeah i had a biopsy done. You got some in the front too, yeah. I had a biopsy done a year ago from the VA hospital. And the VA hospital told me they don't know what it is. But it started around the same time that Jamie's yard was flooded, about February 2023? Yes. And did it itch or anything? Yeah, it would itch at times. They gave me some cream to put on it, but that wasn't doing anything for it.

So I just left it alone, let it here on its own, and it would scar me. The dermatologist basically said, I don't know what it is. Yeah, they told me they didn't know what it was. And that was after a biopsy. Any problems with your animals? Did they used to drink out of the creek? Well, you see out there, I got a chicken house. I don't have no chickens in it because my chickens was dying and I wasn't going to let it continue. You were in the Navy? Yes. So you fight for your country and this is what's happening to you?

Right there. I mean, that's kind of symbolic, right? You're a veteran and you're dealing with this and the government that sent you out is not even returning people's calls here. Yeah, yeah, they're giving us the runaround. And you could tell it's not just the state, it's the county. The southern counties in West Virginia built the northern counties from when coal was king. So now they've forgotten us. We're the forgotten, like I told Joe Manchin's office, we're the forgotten people of the Appalachian Mountains. What about the governor? I mean he is a coal baron, he was a billionaire. He's got a coal empire. Hasn't paid hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes and unpaid cleanup for mines. I looked into it. I haven't heard anything from the governor on this. Have you? No, no, I haven't heard anything from the county to the state to the federal. I haven't heard anything from nobody. And the EPA told you.

We're expendable as long as they got jobs. That's basically the way I took it. And I had to ask him again what he said. He said, he goes, I'm not personally saying that. That's the way they think when they come in here and they say, well, we can't shut the mines down because four or five people has died. This county and the other counties in West Virginia and Kentucky, Tennessee built this country. We built it and we need them. We need the country to step in and do

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