Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 4/14/25: Israel Loses It Over Trump Iran Talks, Trump Says Wrongly Deported Man Not His Problem, PA Gov Mansion Arson Attack

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

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has a bunch of people angry because he laid out what the U.S. negotiating position is in these upcoming talks with Iran, which will now proceed to Rome next, which we'll talk about in a moment. And effectively, what he said is that the red line for the U.S. is weaponization of the nuclear program. And what that means is that the U.S. would be comfortable with a civilian nuclear program, which is, you know, effectively the nuclear deal that Obama and the Europeans and Russia made with Iran back in 2015, the JCPOA, which Trump subsequently walked away from. So that has, we can put this next tweet up on the screen. This is from, and they scoop this. If you want to know how Iranian sources are receiving their end of the negotiations,

Amwad is really good at this, they were the first that I saw to report that Witkoff had come in with some level of humility and had not come in demanding, as the Iranians wondered if he would, the complete dismantlement of the entire program. Well, not just that. They said, quote, senior Iranian political sources said that Witkos draft neither contained explicit threats of a military attack. Iran has strongly rejected any Libya-style dismantling of its nuclear program and has urged Trump to stop threats. I mean, this is, again, obvious. Let's just remember the history here,

is that anybody in the Middle East, anybody in the world, if you have a nuclear program, and America's like, you should give up that nuclear program, your obvious answer should be no. Look what you guys did to Gaddafi. You would be an idiot to give it up. It's the only security that you have. That's why the relations with the North Koreans continue to stall. We have this fantasy that once you develop an ICBM capable of destroying Los Angeles, you're going to voluntarily give it up, especially when you're the Kim regime and you still have total control over the entire country. It's not happening. You're like, this is the only guarantee of my entire security. to give up the infrastructure for their own security and legitimacy, it would be preposterous. And that's why, listen, that's why the pro-Israel lobby is freaking out. Because they know, they know that it's a non-starter, and they want that to be the only condition of negotiation between Steve Wyckoff, the United States, and Iran.

And Israel keeps, Israeli policymakers keep referring to what they want as a Libya-style deal. No. They keep using the phrase Libya. And anybody who uses the phrase Libya-style deal in these talks is very directly trying to blow up the talks. Because imagine you're on the receiving end of that offer. And somebody says, what I'd like to offer you is a libya style deal and you use those words what happened to qaddafi he gave up his nuclear weapons and subsequently was sodomized to death literally literally on camera literally on camera sodomized

to death that is a libya style deal and that is what people here who are in Iranian leadership or anywhere else, or North Korea, anywhere else, when you say that, because you're not even trying to sugarcoat it at all. Because there are a lot of different phrases you could use. And Libya-style is a choice. Trita Parsley, you can put up this next element, he's highlighting this massive kind of bubbling up of a campaign that is very predictably now coming for Witkoff. They got his man, Adam Bowler, Jared Kushner's roommate, because Bowler not only met directly with Hamas, that wasn't the problem because that was approved by Trump.

He went on TV and said that— He dared to say that the U.S. is not a client state of Israel. The U.S. is not a client state of Israel. That was his great flaw and flub. You know, the only reason they can't screw Wyckoff is because Wyckoff has been Trump's friend for like 50 years. Yeah. And also, Wyckoff—I mean, let's really ruminate in this, too, because I think this is very important. It maybe relates to a certain debate that happened a certain time. And while Sager's talking, you can roll a few more of these. Just roll a few more of these.

Roll more of these, a better attack. Out of D3. Steve Wyckoff. We just had a whole little debate on a certain platform with a certain person around expertise. And Steve Wyckoff is a New York City real estate developer who built the Fountain Blue Casino in Las Vegas and has already succeeded in more diplomatic achievement in 84 days of the Trump administration than Anthony Blinken did in four years, than Jake Sullivan did in 12 years in power, than so many career politicians did over a 20-year period, like Brett McGurk, who have all been working on all these. And it is solely because of his effectiveness that these pro-Israel folks are all attacking, as you guys just saw. The Israel lobby is absolutely losing it, specifically because they know that any engagement on terms with Iran that do not begin with the total dismantling is itself a threat to the stated goals of the Netanyahu government, who believes

that overthrow of the Iranian regime is not only an imperative for Israel, but that the United States must be the precipitating force to be able to do that for them, not that they themselves are obviously militarily even capable of it. And that is why the war is currently happening over our own politics right now. And let's not forget too, Wyckoff is not, he's done very well and he's not been fired or anything like that.

However, the pro-Israel forces can move in at any time. He successfully negotiated that ceasefire, Ryan. It actually looked like phase two, I wouldn't say was likely. It was possible, let's say, within the realm, 20%, 30%. Well, they successfully killed that. Bibi and them, they got Trump to do this whole colonized Gaza thing. Bibi currently, apparently behind the scenes, the Israelis are freaking out over these current deals. I would not put it past them.

Anything is still possible for them to derail these talks, to do something, to try and elevate the more Adelson and other friendly elements of the administration. So for every one step that Steve Witkoff takes, they can always take five steps back. Witkoff is getting a little bit of defense. We can put up D4 here. This could sound like a MAGA thing. Laura Loomer came out and, you know, basically saying, look, Witkoff has gotten more done than any of these clown bureaucrats have in many years. And then Marco Rubio quote tweeted Laura Loomer with the 100%.

Sort of Elon, by the way. You know, Elon also supported Steve Witkoff, which is, you know, these are all good things, at least for us right now. But yeah, like I just said. Did he lift a Loomer tweet? Because they were beef. No, I think he replied to Loomer.

Oh, there you go. Yeah, Elon was like, Steve Woodcoff is a great guy. I know this all sounds preposterous to say that, you know,

Marco Rubio is quote tweeting a Loomer or anything, but it does show that there is confidence and they're trying. Also, she got a bunch of people fired recently.

Marco Rubio is like, I'm with her. You're exactly right. You're right. And what we know from all of this is that the pro-Israel lobby is currently out for blood. They've taken two massive L's recently in the last week. Number one, most important is this Iran negotiation. I would actually say the Douglas Murray thing is also a secondary one. That was their best advocate going forward on the biggest platform with an actual skeptic in a real debate. They dragged him to Gaza. If you're a Western journalist, you cannot get into Gaza. They put a fake press vest on him and allowed him to be escorted into Gaza where he sat down in the chair where

Sinwar was killed. So that's their guy. Yeah. They put their champion on the field. They literally put – that is their champion. And so they've taken a huge hit in the propaganda war. They've taken a big hit here with the Trump administration. In some ways, Trump is the only person who could get away with this because he simultaneously is like deporting these pro-Palestinian students and others. And so they're like beating their chest, going rabid over that.

But at the same time, they're taking a massive foreign policy loss. So I don't know. What do you think the other L was? Oh, I said the two Ls was the Iran deal and Douglas Murray. Those are the two big ones. I just love that. I mean it sounds funny, but I honestly don't think it is. That has been watched by millions of people or listened to by a lot.

That, honestly, if you're an average person, you don't have that much exposure to Israel-Palestine, and you just clock in and that's what you get. I mean, think about it. Like, that is, the average Joe, that is probably as close as they're going to get to listening to a debate on this subject. I don't think it went that well for him. No, you would come out of that with a deep contempt for it. Contempt. People who have contempt for you. Yeah, they do have contempt for you. It's actually true. Yeah. Oh, my expertise. Yeah, they literally have contempt. It's important to note just that on all fronts, there's a lot of confounding information around

the Iran deal and any potentials. Just don't forget that while, yes, I think all of this is working in the right direction, I absolutely want to commend the Trump administration for even attempting this. Something the Biden, let's remember, the Biden administration never even got to this point right here, not even once. And in fact, what was, Ryan, wasn't the DNC platform, didn't it repudiate the Iran deal in 2024? I'm recalling. There was some talk in the platform specifically about the overthrow or something of Iran. They actually became more neoconservative.

Yeah, they went back in that direction. And then never, yeah, they never made any serious effort to try to get back into the Iran deal. And, yeah, here we are. And you put up D5, the final element here, just to support my claim that Amlaw is just a place to go if you want to get early news. So they were the first to report that the next talks would probably move to Europe subsequently after this reporting. It's now been confirmed, and Barack Ravid was the first to confirm it, that the next round of talks will be in Rome. One thing I heard is that a piece of this is that it's shorter distance for Wyckoff to travel. He's a busy man. So having it in Europe rather than constantly over

somewhere in the Middle East makes it easier for the U.S. negotiators, which is kind of silly on the one hand, but also suggests that they're pretty serious about wanting this to happen pretty frequently so that he can come regularly to these talks and try to actually make progress and get this thing done. Because it actually, it does, it is different. And you've done a lot of travel. Your week is much different if you go to Rome and back than if you go to Oman and back. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's right.

And if you're also trying to bring the ceasefire back to Gaza, like – but go ahead. No, I was just going to say I think this is all good. We see development on more talks. Oman has always been a meeting point for the U.S. and for Iran. What is it, the Sultan, I think, there has a good relationship. The UAE wanted to do it. They're like, yeah, no, we're not doing that. And why would you if you were the Iranians? I wouldn't want to fly to the UAE. Just broadly, I do think that the overall engagement here is good. You will all need to watch carefully. We can easily see a bowler-style sidelining.

Wyckoff is on the tightest balancing beam that there is in all of U.S. politics. The pro-Israel lobby is gunning for him more than any other figure in the Trump administration, and they have successfully sidelined every single other person who has dared to even suggest negotiation. And of course, they got their greatest victory in the ongoing continuing war with Gaza. So not a win yet. Things are currently in a good direction, but they could be derailed at any point. Right. And still, the complete blockade of humanitarian goods going into Gaza has gone now from March 2nd to what's out, it's now April 14th. You can only begin to imagine what it's like when you have 2 million people who have not been resupplied for six weeks. And the rumors going around Gaza that the crossings would open today or tomorrow, who knows if those rumors are true. Let's hope that they are.

Meanwhile, you've got the bombing campaign ratcheting up, you have people in Jerusalem reporting that the bombing is getting so fierce in Gaza that you can even hear it in Jerusalem. important material residence for the people who were relying on that hospital. There's all these images of people in hospital beds, the beds leaving the hospital with nowhere to go, just patients in hospital beds now out in the street. But importantly, symbolically, this was the hospital that in 2023, there was this giant international conversation about whether it was Israeli bombs or a misfired Palestinian Islamic Jihad explosive that had killed hundreds of people at the hospital. There was a resolution on the floor of the house that passed that censured Rashida Tlaib for not blaming Palestinian Islamic Jihad for that attack, for daring to say that Israel had attacked that hospital.

She was literally censured in the house for that. And now Israel has attacked the hospital, admitted that they attacked the hospital, claimed credit like a terror group. Isn't it a Christian hospital too? Christian hospital. On Palm Sunday. On Palm Sunday, yes. They've claimed credit for it, and it's just kind of a blip.

So the thing that Rashid Tlaib was censured for— Do you think those megachurchers will tell their—do you think they'll tell their congregation that? On their next tour of Jerusalem, on an end times tour? I don't think they're going to hear that. Interesting. Now, I think there's efforts to get the word out to these Christian communities, and some do hear about it. And I think it goes to your point that the erosion of support for Israel is just rapidly expanding. Yeah, but I made that snide comment.

But you're correct. Because that group is the single most. And that's the thing. They're hardcore Zionists anyway else. Yeah, exactly. And you know, the funny thing is the Israeli state cultivates the shit out of them because they think they're crazy. If you go over there and you talk to them, they're like, we can't even believe these idiots are so pro. They think they're a joke.

They're like cosmopolitan Israeli elites who think that these rapture, evangelical, apocalyptic people are genuinely nuts. Because they are. They look at them the way that New York City elites look at evangelical Christians. And that's how they see it. But they also recognize that they're deeply politically important, and that's why they support all of these Pastor Hagee, Kufi groups all across. They know where their bread is buttered politically and the center of gravity. I do wonder for these tours, if you've ever been to Israel, these people are everywhere. If you're flying from America, I guarantee you there's going to be a bunch of evangelicals on your flight going to see the Holy Land.

The thing is, though, with the proximity, especially when you're in Jerusalem, if you've ever been there, it's pretty close. You know, you can see Palestine literally with your own eyes. The wall is there. At a certain point, aren't you going to be able to hear some of the war and that going on? I genuinely wonder about that. Yeah, for sure. Maybe it'll change some attitudes. I genuinely wonder about that. Yeah, for sure. Maybe it'll change some attitudes. I don't think so. Camp Shane, one of America's longest running weight loss camps for kids,

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So put up this first element, E1. So the Trump administration has now responded to this judicial order from the Supreme Court that said the Trump administration had to, quote, facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia, which is, I don't know, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, which is Kilmar Abrego Garcia. This is the man that people hate when you call him a Maryland father. I don't know what you want to call him, a construction worker who used to live in Maryland and had children.

He was president of the United States. He had a deportation hold on him saying he cannot be held, sent to El Salvador. He was sent to El Salvador. The administration admitted they, quote, mistakenly, sent to El Salvador. It was sent to El Salvador. The administration admitted the act, quote, mistakenly sent him to El Salvador. And then the administration fired the DOJ attorney who admitted that. And so now they are saying, and it's an interesting argument to grapple with because of the separation of powers question. So what they're saying is that he is now in the sovereign custody of Nayib Bukele and El Salvador.

And that no judge can order the executive to make any engagement when it comes to foreign policy with any sovereign country. That that is the sole discretion of the executive. It raises, of course, extremely uncomfortable questions. What, like, just to go to the, like, to take it to an absurd degree, if Trump picked up Sotomayor and sent her to Bukele's prison and the Supreme Court was like, you cannot pick up a Supreme Court justice and send them to a prison in El Salvador. You need to facilitate her return. The Trump administration would make the same argument. Well, look, it doesn't matter how they got there. You don't have the power to do that. So I don't – I don't – like it's like –

This is currently being litigated at the district court. No, look, Brian. You're right. All right. And people – it's probably important for people to hear me even say it. If you mistakenly deport somebody and then you house them in the custody of a foreign government, and you pay that foreign government to house that person. And then you claim that they're in the sovereign custody of that other country. Yeah, okay.

You said – It's a bit of a stretch. Should not have deported him. So it's a little bit different than if he had been – let's say he had traveled to El Salvador by himself, and the El Salvadorans put him in prison. And he's an El Salvadoran citizen. Okay, whatever, right? Not whatever for him, but what are you going to do about it? All right, pretty different story. Facilitate his return.

As you said, they are saying, yeah, if the El Salvadorans ever let him out, then sure, we'd allow him back in the United States. That's basically the crux of their argument at the current district court level. However, people should remember this does not just end right here. There will continue to work this way through the legal process for that definition of what facilitate means. And in fact, I was speaking with a couple of friend court watchers and others on this, and they are specifically saying that this payment notion, that that is the crux of the art, that it's really the Achilles heel. The reason legally why the administration needs to fight so hard on this is that if you release one person, you actually show and admit that it's not in the custody solely of the El Salvadorian government,

that it is in the United States government. And that leads to more court challenges, ACLU challenges and others, let's say over that makeup artist, right, who we had seemingly previously seen, and it opens the legal ground to all of this question. Or the soccer player we've talked about. The soccer player that you talked about as well. Totally innocent dude. It's very obvious that the administration, look, they are terrified of – you raised this, of somebody coming back. I think most what they're terrified of is admitting that they did something wrong.

Because when you admit that you did something wrong, then – I mean, look, there are a lot of people who still – they don't know about any of this case, right? And on its face, a lot of people who support mass deportation, whatever, are looking at this and be like, yeah, okay. This makes sense or whatever. Worse to the worst, and they're taking the administration's word for it. The thing is now the administration, in the same way that they have on tariffs, is now showing this on immigration. So we previously saw that MS-13 East Coast gang leader, right, who was allegedly this horrible human trafficker, drug paraphernalia, et cetera. They got a gun, slapped him with a gun charge, and now they're just, okay, we're going to deport him.

Tell Salvador, fine. I mean, okay, guy had a gun illegally. Definitely a crime. Why was the governor of Virginia there and the secretary of Homeland Security? So what's that? Is he just a low-level gang member? This entire thing is made up.

Same with a lot of the case here, what we've seen around the tattoos, et cetera. I mean, again, to be totally honest, never in my wildest dreams did I think that anybody could ever be so stupid as to use the process currently right now. That's on me, so everyone can dunk on me if they want to. But you can see pretty clearly as more information has come out, not only in El Salvador. What? Let's continue. El Salvador, what we're about to get to with the Mahmoud Khalil situation, with this woman who is now.

Go ahead. You can set it up. This is an example of what I'm talking about. And just to resurrect again, a Vietnam-era term, credibility gap. That was a term that became widespread during the Lyndon Johnson administration, where very similarly, Americans trusted the government. They trusted the government about what they were saying around, in this case, immigration at that time about Vietnam. But the more lies got exposed, the more that the default assumption was, you are lying to me, now became baked into the American consciousness. Right. And people who supported that general

policy assumed that there was some level of due diligence being put into this. And so that, and it appears that there is very little. So we can put up E2 on the screen. This is a big Washington Post scoop that came out last night, where a memo leaked out of the State Department that said, okay, you asked us to look into Rumesa Azterk, who is a Tufts graduate student, to see whether or not she had done anything that would, that we can even remotely link to saying that she supported Hamas. And if you look at Mahmoud Khalil, there's nothing out there where they have found, where he has said anything that could be construed as supporting Hamas. It's just not out there. Yet they're clinging to that because he participated in some of these protests where there were some signs at the protests that could be construed in that direction.

And so he was in the same vicinity. That's guilt by association. Got him. Got him there. Okay. So that's their bar. That's how low their bar is. They couldn't even clear that bar for her. The only thing that we have publicly seen and that they've been able to dig up because they've got Canary Mission and all these other Zionist organizations who have enormous amount of resources to spend investigating these students. If they've, if they tweeted anything in 2010 or 2011, and even in support of like a flotilla bringing aid into Gaza, like we would know this about Rumeza Ozturk. They have an op-ed on, on which she was one of four co-authors that was published in her student newspaper that was in support of a student senate resolution that passed. So like that means like the entire student senate is supportive of Hamas if these claims are true. And if you read the actual op-ed,

there's a ton in it that Hamas would not agree with. Like, it's not a remotely Hamas-supporting op-ed. It's just, it's talking about equality in Israel, and it's kind of critical of the way that Israel is conducting its genocide. I don't even know if they use, I don't even remember if they use the word genocide, and it's a very, it's a very kind of...

We should go check it. Yeah, I'm curious. Go look up Azatürk's op-ed. So that's the one that's, it turns out according to the state department, which, which looked closely at her case, that's all they had, nothing else. And they told, they said, there is no evidence that we can provide to Marco Rubio to justify a claim that she is encouraging anti-Semitism, by which they mean, you know, significantly critical of Israel, or that she is supportive of a terrorist organization. We don't, the goods are not there. That memo was in the custody of the State Department, produced by State Department officials,

and they went and grabbed her off the streets of Somerville, Massachusetts. Anyway, you've seen that. I guarantee you that you've seen clips of that viral footage. Yeah, we played it. You and I together, we played that. Yeah. This horrifying somewhere. You've got these, like, plainclothes goons pulling up in SUVs and dragging her away. That was a pretty long time ago.

Time kind of blends together here. She has not been deported. She is living in some deplorable conditions right now in immigration detention. And this is a person who, according to a State Department investigation, did nothing, and I don't want to say wrong because it's not actually wrong to criticize Israel, but she didn't do anything that even Marco Rubio's unconstitutional bar that he has set, an unconstitutional according to federal judge Mary Trump, like she didn't even do that. And currently, she's deprived of her freedom. Currently, is a political prisoner sitting behind bars in a detention center, awaiting some sort of adjudication of this case that's been brought against her. You know what's crazy is even, quote, Tufts' Friends of Israel says, we strongly oppose the content of the op-ed that Oster co-authored, but restricting freedom of speech is flat out undemocratic and un-American. Freedom of speech in a democracy is sacred. It ensures that dissent is heard and that people can express themselves.

That's the Tufts' Friends of Israel argument. They did say genocide, by the way. I just said that at the end. I mean, whatever. You can say whatever you want, okay? Even if, whatever. It's not a verboten word, all right? Shall we? Yeah. I mean, even looking at this entire case and the background within it, you would assume, I mean, again, you can dunk on me if you want. You would assume, let's say if you were to deport somebody, Ryan, and you don't support

this policy and neither do I, but we were to deport foreign students who participated in anti-Israel activism. Where do we start? We start with people who committed a crime, right? I would look at that Hamilton Hall thing. Anybody who was charged with a crime, and again, I don't support this policy, but that's where I would start. Who could argue against that, right? You could say, oh, it's not, you know, it doesn't rise to the bar or whatever. But you can't really, like legally. If you commit a crime on a student visa, you can be deported. You're dead to rights. And that wouldn't even be surprising to people who were on a student visa.

It would not be surprising to people. That's exactly right. But they start with Khalil for what reason? I think at this point we can only conclude. Well, yeah. They thought he was on a visa. They thought he was on a visa. That's number one.

But two is also you start with somebody who in a certain way is much more unimpeachable than the Hamilton Hall person as just a signal of like you shouldn't even be doing this. Right. And actually, I mean I know people may get upset about this. What I find the most objectionable is the government taking over the Columbia University Middle Eastern Studies Department and Harvard and getting United States citizens expelled from a university because of something that they said. I mean, these are citizens of the United States of America who paid presumably good money to attend a private university and are then being expelled from that institution and having their education taken over by the government here, specifically on behalf of a foreign government to teach what? I mean, what are the terms now that are banned at Columbia University? Like, yeah, like what?

Middle Eastern studies? What national interest do we have here that Americans sufficiently, you know, bow down to the state of Israel in private university Ivy League education? Or is it all a power play to show is like, hey, you should not be messing with. I mean, really, this is like Bill Ackman and the Zionist, you know, pro-Israel lobbies. Like, this is their fever dream. This is their wet dream, like, come to life, is literally taking over the institutions, which they see as theirs theirs and making them sufficiently pro-Israel and making sure that there is no dissent there at all. And the fact that it's done on behalf of a foreign government just honestly makes it for me 10 times worse. You can even understand in the

past Vietnam censorship or World War II or any of that. That's totally, that is within the bounds, not of acceptability, but of understanding about how a nation grappling with an internal crisis. But this is not even close to that. And we can't afford this right now. Meanwhile, foreign tourism is plummeting. The bar is, the line is going straight down. It's like 30, down 30, 40 percent, but it's no sign of what the bottom could actually be. I saw somebody saying, well, it's only 0.42 percent of GDP. It's like, bro, well, it's only 0.42% of GDP. It's like, bro, do you understand how big 0.42% of GDP is? If you shave that off, that could take you from GDP growth, if you're close to flat, to recession territory. And it's not just that 0.42. Yes, that's the direct result. But everybody who works in that industry, they pay rent.

They some some send their kids to private schools. Some, you know, they go to the grocery store. They buy things. Now they're not paying their rent. Now the landlord is going to foreclose on that. It's like there is a ripple effect throughout the economy. So taking a half point of GDP and just saying no thank you to it is huge. And that doesn't even count the foreign students. And we've argued about this before. But the foreign students spend billions and billions of dollars in this country propping up the economies of the neighborhoods. I don't disagree.

I've just said before I think it's a bad financing system while you're also relying on America. I mean, for example, I think there was like 45,000 graduate students who were foreign who were admitted to some of these. But you might say, oh, okay, that's great. And it's like, yeah, but they also have a 4% acceptance rate. And part of the reason why a lot of these people do get admitted is because they pay full freight. I think that's actively discriminatory against U.S. citizens. I would be happy to reform it with you, Ryan. But is this the solution?

Yeah, I would say no. I don't think that this is the overall solution to this. So unfortunately, I mean, we are now in the clown show where, what, Khalil has been greenlit for deportation. It's going to happen, it looks like. Yeah, so Friday the immigration court judge ruled that he could be deported. He still has a habeas petition in front of the federal court. So his lawyers are very— What country is he a citizen of?

So his parents are—his mother is from Algeria, so he has Algerian citizenship. He also was born in Syria Syria but as a Palestinian refugee in a refugee camp so he doesn't have Syrian citizenship and what does that even mean in this Al-Qaeda run state right now and so but his lawyers

who I talked to over the weekend said that they expect he would be deported to one of those two countries but one of those two countries would have to accept him and if they don't now Algeria, in order to kind of save him from getting sent to Syria, because Syria might be more willing to do it because, you know, it's a run by al-Qaeda, which is our, we financed them,

and they're willing to do whatever to try to get sanctions released or whatever else, then he would be at serious risk if he's in Syria, whereas the Algerians might say, all right, if he's getting deported, we'll take him and maybe we can protect him a little bit more. It is so funny to think about that, that he would be at serious risk in Syria because what the administration and the Zionists people are telling us is that he's some pro-terrorist sympathizer. It's like, yeah, guys, those are actual terrorists and anybody who's been palling around with Jews, Jewish students and pro-peace and all that, they're not so happy with you. There's that. An actual terrorist, they look-peace and all that, they're not so happy with you. There's that.

An actual terrorist, they look at you and they, yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's that. Plus there's Israeli influence in Syria. So Algeria would be more likely. But they're still fighting it, and the habeas case is still ongoing, unless they just ignore it and say, you know what, hey, screw you. We're just going to, we're going to ship him out. And then once he's out, there's nothing you can do about it. Like that's like exactly what they're saying with Abrego Garcia. And we mentioned at the

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the way to the roof. You can see there, like, the dining room, formerly, which was burned on several of the walls, wallpaper, the piano, et cetera, suffering quite a bit of damage. That was a leftover sign where they had just finished Passover dinner at the governor's mansions at Passover Crafts, and you can see that it's charred there by a lot of smoke. So here's what we know so far about the suspect. Let's go put that up there on the screen, please, from the AP. Suspect's name is Cody Bomber. And Cody Bomber of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, now been arrested and charged with the attempted murder there, an arson, on the Pennsylvania governor's mansion. He allegedly told investigators that if he had been able to he would have beat the governor with a hammer don't know a lot about the guy uh you know i

don't want to say too much about his appearance you can you draw i think he looks like a hipster draw a conclusion from what you will about it be the light that you want to see in the world okay i mean look let's all just remember, this may not even be... I mean, the Matzah-Molotov cocktail, like, that's a lefty... Yeah. I mean, right-wingers will throw a Molotov cocktail, but... We'll see.

It's delusional. I was going to say. As usual with these cases, like with the Paul Pelosi case, you know? People think it's political. They latch onto a politics, but ultimately they're mentally ill. Yeah, exactly.

Probably just schizophrenic, crazy. And it's not an excuse. It's still scary. What we're watching, I'm saying in terms of trying to spin some grand political narrative, anybody who participates in something like this, they've lost it. And so what we know from Cody Bomber right now is he was taken into custody, said he would have beaten Shapiro with a small sledgehammer if he'd been able to. Quote, Bomber had walked an hour from his home to the governor's residence.

During the police interview, he admitted to harboring hatred towards Shapiro, but did not explain why. Okay. Shapiro, his wife, his four children, two dogs, and another family were celebrating Passover at the residence and were awakened by state troopers pounding on their door about 2 a.m. They fled as firefighters extinguished the fire. Luckily, nobody was injured. We don't know yet a whole lot about this.

Authorities said that Bomber is currently being transported to prison. Did not say yet whether he had a lawyer. Currently, like I said, he'd been listed as a resident in Harrisburg as recently as 2022. But if he walked an hour to the governor's mansion, so presumably within the Philadelphia area, right? I thought he was in Harrisburg, right? Wait, what am I thinking of? The governor's mansion. No, no, that's right.

No, he is in Harrisburg, right. This is where the governor's mansion is, correct. Yeah. So, yeah, presumably remaining in the Harrisburg area. I guess that's all we know right now. It's just horrible to see not only the damage but just to show you it was a much closer call than I think a lot of people initially

thought. It seems like he also was able to permeate the security perimeter. Jump the fence. And they said his security was like, he was evading security as they were chasing him through the mansion. How was he able to... I mean, this reminds me of, you remember when Obama was president and that guy leaped the fence and actually made it through the front door?

Yeah. He made it pretty damn close. He made it a decent far into the front door. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. That's right. He did get in there. And people are finding his like social media posts and finding he's sharing like anarchist

stuff. He has one joke on here where he says, I'm a registered socialist, so I had gotten about 27 mail-in ballots. It's a funny joke. I got to vote for everyone twice and vote none of the above in person, plus casting a vote for my favorite cartoonist. Let me know if there's any Illuminati on there. That's always a fun, classic schizophrenic. And he makes fun of MAGA. Oh, really?

Yeah. Well, look, as again, not everything has to be political. It doesn't. Maybe it's more just a garden variety insanity. It does happen. Do with it what you will. We do have some comments here from the governor. Let's take a listen.

We don't know the person's specific motive yet, but we do know a few truths. First, this type of violence is not okay. This kind of violence is becoming far too common in our society. And I don't give a damn if it's coming from one particular side or the other, directed at one particular party or another or one particular person or another. It is not okay. And it has to stop. We have to be better than this. We have a responsibility to all be better. Possibly our next president there, Ryan. There you go. Governor Shapiro. Don't know.

As you said, we saw some of the images there of Mr. Cody Bomber, but that's all we really know right now. The guy's been charged, attempted homicide, arson, terrorism. I'm sure we'll see more from the investigation, et cetera. As you said,

he'd written and said previously that he hated the governor, but did not say why. I don't know. I mean, maybe it could be a Matthew Crook situation where we just never really find out very much about the guy. But that's where things are. Yeah, that's true. We do know more about him than we do about Matthew Crook. Still an insane thing that happened in our history. But that's where things are. Obviously troubling. Very sad. And hopefully, the governor, pretty emotional there in his comments, but glad

everybody that survived, and we'll see. Alright, thank you guys so much for watching. Great bro show, Ryan. Always enjoy being with you, my friend. Likewise. Crystal will be here tomorrow. We will see you all then. We'll be right back. trying to steal the family fortune worth millions from my son, even though it was promised to us. He's trying to give it to his irresponsible son, but I have DNA proof that could get the money back. Hold up. They could lose their family and millions of dollars?

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