Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 4/21/25: Israeli Official Running Israel Policy At WH, Israel Admits Medic Massacre Coverup, Neocons Reject Trump Iran Deal, Rogan Mocks Douglas Murray

Episode Date: April 21, 2025

Ryan and Saagar discuss former Israeli official running Israel policy at White House, Israel admits big coverup in medic massacre, neocons out for blood on Iran deal, Rogan mocks Douglas Murray after disaster debate, Pope Francis dead at 88.   To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.com   Merch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This Dropsite News article headlined, Trump's NSC director for Israel and Iran previously worked for Israeli Ministry of Defense. That headline is what it says it is. You're like, wait a minute, you can do that? You can work for the Israeli Ministry of Defense and then you can work for the United States? Well, of course you can. Why did you think that you couldn't? Well, it's very interesting, isn't it, Ryan? Yeah, let's break some of this down for the audience. So this is very important.

So as I explained previously about the NSC, we just talked about power vacuum. So not only do we have Mike Walz, who we know advocated for a war with Iran when the Israelis were here. We now know that he put in charge of the Israel and the Iran portfolio, combined that portfolio under this woman, Merov Sarin. Now, Merov Sarin is the director for Israel and Iran at the NSC. Now, what we know from her own background, publicly reported, let's put that up there on the screen, please, shall we? Is that she admits, quote, worked at Israel's Ministry of Defense, where she participated in negotiations in the West Bank between Israel's coordinator for government activities in the territories and Palestinian Authority officials. So this is a person, Ryan, who literally worked

for the Israeli Ministry of Defense. Basically, we were just talking about the Pentagon, the Israeli version of the Pentagon, who is now working in the United States government to develop policy vis-a-vis that person. I should also mention there that that biography comes from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, which is the probably single most pro-war with Iran organization in the United States today. Yeah. And so what was, so that was previously known. What wasn't known is that she's working at the NSC. There was never a public announcement made about that, but the NSC has confirmed it to us. Yes, that's right. We can read this NSC spokesperson, Brian Hughes, says the following, Marav is a patriotic American who has served in

the United States government for years, including for President Trump, Senator Ted Cruz, and Congressman James Comer. We are thrilled to have her expertise in the NSC, where she carries out the president's agenda on a range of Middle East issues. Because I had asked, do you have anything set up in place to mitigate potential conflicts of interest? Because, you know, she is overseeing policy with a country where she previously served. That country, and this is why this matters so much, that country, Israel, is currently trying to blow up our negotiations with Iran, between Iran and the United States. We are involved, and we're going to talk about those more in a moment, we're involved in these direct talks with Iran because the president of the United States has repeatedly said he believes that negotiations are a better resolution, solution to our problem with Iran than an attack. Israel disagrees. Israel wants us to attack.

Israel has argued internally that it wants us to attack. So the NSC director for both of those countries previously worked for Israel. How do you get a security clearance if you're a former employee of a foreign government? Boggles the mind. And inevitably, Ryan, what are we going to be smeared as? Anti-Semites calling into question somebody's loyalty?

No, I would say this about anyone. I'm Indian descent. Religion doesn't matter. This is about the country. If the guy running the NSC India desk is a Indian citizen or a former Indian citizen or worked for the Indian military, I would say absolutely not. How can you trust this guy's judgment? And then even worse, if you're in charge of the Iran portfolio, that's like taking a former Indian military official who happens to have a U.S. citizen and put him on the Pakistan desk.

What? Vice versa. You're going to put somebody in charge of the mortal enemy of a government you used to work for? And by the way, mortal enemy, I'm using their language, the Israeli language. That's how they see them. I'm not saying I believe that, but that's how they view it. And in fact, the general policy of the U.S. government, and I've seen this with friends firsthand, is to not send somebody of a particular nationality to serve in a particular country. Let's say you are, and I've seen this firsthand, let's say you're Iranian American,

you're born here in the United States. You are as American as I am. They will not have you work on Iran inside the CIA or the State Department, even though you might speak Persian and know the country, it's a little too close. There's some suspicion in borderline racism. If you're Pakistani-American, you're born here in the United States, they will not have you serving Pakistan. Ecuadorian-American, they won't send you. I think that's fair.

There are exceptions to this. See, I will defend that. I think that's actually a good policy. I think it's fine, too. I get it. I understand where it's coming from because it's like, all right, look, we're all Americans here, and there's a lot of places we can send you. We're going to send the Iranian to Ecuador, the Ecuadorian to Iran. So that's their – like it or not, that is the general approach.

You can find exceptions, but that is the general approach that the American government takes to foreign countries and your place of birth. Now, those are not people who worked for the Iranian Ministry of Defense or the Ecuadorian Ministry of Defense. That's right. They're just of dissent. Their parents or grandparents are from there. She personally worked for the Israeli Ministry of Defense. By her own admission, again.

And, oh, by the way, at the FD, the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, whose chairman, Mark Dubowitz, is the chief opponent right now of any Trump negotiation with Iran. So you have Trump who wants to deal with Iran, and then the person running his White House's Iran desk is a former employee of the organization who wants to kill, the American organization, which wants to kill an Iran deal, and of a government which also wants to kill that deal. Truly, do not preach to me about how you can't say that this is a most obvious conflict of interest. And yes, dare I say, an accusation of dual loyalty is in order because you don't just go work for that government if you don't have at least some allegiance or something to it,

and then to come and work for our country, shall we? This is one where they have so weaponized the term. It would be strange if she worked for the Ministry of Defense in Israel and wasn't loyal to her position there. Of course, right. That's even weirder. So the only alternative where this somehow works is that she's a U.S. double agent who was working on America's behalf. But you're supposed to be secret about that.

You don't do it out in the open. Yeah. Something tells me doesn't seem to be true. By the way, inevitably, this is going to cause a massive freakout, even just you and I reporting on this story. For our Washington audience that's watching this and wondering, the answer to your question, is she related to Omri Sarin? Yes, that's right. That's her brother. Yeah.

Omri is a long-known long known person here in Washington, works for Senator Ted Cruz, one of the most vociferous pro-Israel voices, probably in the United States, opponent of the Iran deal. That's fine. Listen, you know, he works for Ted Cruz. Those are Ted Cruz's views. I don't have any problem with that. I have no problem with that. Even her working for Ted Cruz, yeah, a little weird, you know, previously, in my opinion, but you're not running the country's, you know, foreign policy. And, you know, to step back a little bit, again, and just to explain some Washington terms. So we're in the middle of this Pentagon power vacuum.

Okay. But the thing is, is that the NSC's job is to develop options. It's genuinely a staff agency. So when Donald Trump tells his national security advisor, Mike Walton, says, I options on israel and iran the person mike waltz turns to is her so her job is to coordinate from all of the different agencies cia pentagon dia you know geo and spatial intelligence agency whatever bring them all together and say we need to prepare strike packages or whatever the person who's in charge of that has an immense amount of power because they're controlling the actual stuff that goes to the president's desk let's say here on the Houthi strikes, things like that.

Well, if you have this type of ideology and you previously worked for this government, what do you think the mindset that you're going to bring? And that doesn't even bring into question. Remember, there was this huge story. Do we have that New York Times story? I have no inside information around this, but this says Trump waved off Israeli strike after division's emergency administration. The pro-Israel side was adamantly convinced, right, that the America firsters on the NSC are the people who leaked this. I no longer am so sure. Let's say you're a former employee of the Israeli Ministry of Defense and your, you know, former employer didn't get what it wanted and you wanted to make it clear to many people on the outside about what your employer, Donald Trump, is now currently doing

and is stifling some of the ideology that you have now pushed for and believed in for the better part of a decade. Well, I don't know, Ryan. Maybe I would leak it to the New York Times, wouldn't I? And this Times article is fascinating because it includes Tulsi Gabbard, director of national intelligence, saying that she is against the U.S. striking Iran. Yes. It includes J.D. Vance, the vice president, saying that he is against striking Iran.

It includes Pete Hegseth, secretary of defense, saying he is against striking Iran. And in it, even Michael Waltz acknowledges in the meeting that the Israeli plans won't work without U.S. support and he offers a little skepticism. Now, he and Carrillo, the CENTCOM commander, had previously engaged with Israel on these war plans and they're clearly the most open to it of any of the top administration officials. And while Sagar and I were writing the story, the editor was like, okay, in this meeting, like who is taking the support for Israel's side and saying that we should bomb Iran? Because clearly you've got everybody, the head of the intelligence community, head of the Pentagon. John Ratcliffe, CIA director. Everybody's saying don't do this. So it's a meeting.

It's a debate. Tell us who is on the yes side. And the ironic answer is Israel. There actually weren't American officials in the meeting who think that it is in America's interest to launch this strike. Yet the entire echelon from the president across all of his leadership is debating this issue. Look, who are you debating? Why are you debating? Like, if nobody inside the United States thinks that this is in the interest of the United States,

why are we even having a meeting about it? Yeah, you're right. Which is— The whole thing is completely nuts. And they might get their way. And, yeah, I want to be very clear here. They may win. In fact, I would not bet against these people. I wouldn't want to

be a run. Yeah. From a lifetime of living here and working on this stuff. Imagine you're a run in these negotiations and they're like, you know, you just met with Witkoff and now you're moving on to the technical side and you sit down across the table and you're trading paper and you look up and it's somebody from the Israeli ministry. You're like, wait, what? You're like, you're supposed to be working for them. How does that work? Yeah. I mean, would you be serious? Would you trust that person to negotiate or develop policy in good faith? Absolutely not. Especially after we don't have a great track record of sticking to our deals. Yes. There's so many different things. It deals with China, deals

with Mexico, deals with Iran, you name it. And look, that's why Ryan and I wrote the story. It's important. The public needs to know about the people who are actually working on this stuff. And there are a lot of patriots who still work in the United States government. There are a lot of patriots who look at this and say, I have no idea how you even get a security clearance. I can't believe that you're continuing to work here, that you and your boss, Mike Wallace, your boss literally caught, including Jeffrey Goldberg, and you get to stay, right? And he gets to continue to be in the Oval and, you know, push for war with Iran. And just to show everyone, that's the edifice that

is being protected here behind the scenes. America deserves to know. I don't want a war. I don't think most people do either. But people who do, they're in power right now, and they could win. They could very easily win. They could. Absolutely. Yeah. All right. So with that, let's get over to the Israel section. Camp Shane, one of America's longest running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary results. Campers who began the summer in heavy bodies were often unrecognizable when they left. In a society obsessed with being thin, it seemed like a miracle solution. But behind Camp Shane's facade of happy, transformed children was a dark underworld of sinister secrets. Kids were being pushed to

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the screen. This is from our Dropside News Twitter account, which goes through kind of the full report. I put up E3 while we're at it. This is the video footage that later emerged that kind of forced this report out. So what we have from the Israeli military report is effectively a complete whitewashing of the incident. They say that it adds up to accountability because one deputy commander was removed from his post as a result of the findings of this. But for those who didn't follow, a Hamas, I'm sorry, not Hamas, they claimed it was Hamas later, a Red Crescent medical vehicle was fired on by Israeli forces. We interviewed one of the only, the only known survivor of that. He said that they're just driving along the road and all of a sudden gunshots ring out

and the two people in the front of the vehicle are killed. He was then grabbed, dragged out, beaten ruthlessly for many hours. And then he witnessed what happened next, which you just saw on that video, which was the other vehicles coming, medical vehicles coming to try to figure out what happened to the ones that they had lost contact with. The Israelis then opened fire on all of them. And according to the Red Crescent, based on autopsies of them, there are a lot of headshot wounds and wounds to the torso that indicate that they were executed. We know then they were buried in a mass grave and tried to bury even the vehicles with them. So the Israeli report says that they don't have any evidence

that they were shot point blank range. That's one thing. But they make that claim without evidence. They criticize the commanders for burying the ambulance with bulldozers under the sand. They say there was no reason to do that. They say burying the bodies in a mass grave was acceptable. Now, finally, at the end, then a UN vehicle approaches the situation, and the Israelis fire on the UN vehicle as well. That, they say, was a breach of protocol. So that is the only thing in everything that I've just laid out, other than the burying of the ambulance by a bulldozer,

that the Israelis here say constituted something that they were at fault for, and as a result, the deputy commander relieved from his responsibilities. One thing that hasn't gotten anywhere near enough attention in the Western press's coverage of this, is a startling video that Israel's Channel 14 obtained. And we can roll some of this here. So the Golani Brigade, which is known as a fairly reckless brigade in Israel, even among other Israeli forces, is the one that carried out this massacre. This is a deputy commander speaking to the Golani Brigade. He says, go out, kill a lot of enemy, take a lot of territory. And that's how up until now we have

returned hostages. Everyone we meet is an enemy. We identify a figure, we open fire, eliminate it, we move on. So that is a commander of the Golani Brigade, speaking to Golani Brigade forces. This is before this incident with the paramedics. He says to them, everyone we meet is an enemy. Kill them and move on. They then encounter these 15 paramedics. They kill them and they move on. Israel's response is that they are going to remove just one figure from this. Sagar, this was to a global community that is pretty inured to

the violence and to the carnage going on. This one broke through because of its horror film-esque nature of it. And because they are targeting people who are just out trying to save people's lives. Israel immediately came out and claimed that they had killed some Hamas fighter. His body was not found. They named the Hamas fighter they said was with them. Body was not there. That was a lie. Then they said, well, six of them were Hamas.

Like, you couldn't tell these were ambulances, but you could somehow tell that these dead people are Hamas members? Ryan, for you to break down the chain of how this all happened. So if it was not for outlets like Dropsite and independent journalists, I do not believe that this would have come to light. Because the legacy press covered it as is. They were like, Israel says they killed so-and-so. They didn't even, remember you flagged this, the New York Times did not even call up the Red Crest to ask what actually happened with all this. And the fact that it was on video, and literally there's a horrible video of the guy who died recording his last words to his mother.

If it wasn't for that, I don't think any of this gets picked up. No investigation even happens. The first Palestinian reporter I saw break this was Hind Qadri, who I don't think we've had her on the program, but she's a terrific journalist in Gaza. She was one of those who kind of blew up on Instagram and TikTok very early on. And she has a huge kind of global following. And immediately on March 23rd, she started hearing what had happened. And because of her and other Palestinian reporters, some of which went on to report for Dropside News about this, that version was out there. Then the New York Times comes out finally,

like the Times didn't even want to cover it. And there was an internal fight within the Times about whether they should even do an article on it. And they buried it in one unrelated article. And then when they finally did cover it, they said, you know, who's to say what happened? Because the Israelis said that the ambulances were, quote, advancing suspiciously, which is just an absolutely comical addition to our new lexicon. How does an ambulance advance suspiciously? The Israelis claimed that the sirens and the lights of the ambulances were not on. And that might have been the end of the story if one of the assassinated medics had not filmed his own death. So he had his phone going as he's going through this Rafah area. And you see, so he's filming the entire thing.

You saw his, that was his video that you saw at the top of this segment. You see that the lights are on. Lights are obviously on. And all of a sudden, you hear the gunfire erupt. And you hear him say, before he is killed, forgive me, mother. Forgive me. All I wanted to do was help people. And you can just sense that guilt of a son that is not rational because nobody should feel guilty for being murdered because you're trying to help

people. But you know that his mother said to him so many times, be careful, be careful. And he told her, don't worry, mom, I'm going to be careful. I'll be fine. I need to help other people. And now in his last moments, he's realizing that this promise that he made to his mother that he would be fine and that he would come home, he's going to break that promise by being executed at the hands of these Israeli forces that he hears getting closer and closer and then finally killing him. And then they buried him. Burying him in a mass grave. Right. And then they forgot to steal his phone and destroy it. And so when he was unearthed a week later, because the Israelis were blocking the UN from going and clearing the scene,

they discovered his phone and fortunately they were able to, I guess, they discovered his phone. And fortunately, they were able to, I guess, get through his passcode. And they found this video. And they're like, oh, everything Israel said about this was a lie. The sirens were on. There was no Hamas fighter. Nobody's shooting back. You killed these people in cold blood.

And you go back and read the drop site interview with the only survivor. He watched them bury these people. He watched them bury the vehicles, which is like, what compels you to take a bulldozer to an ambulance and try to bury it under sand other than trying to like completely cover up this scene. And it also shows the scale of the sense of impunity that is felt by some Israeli forces. Any other force on this planet at this point, if you kill 15 paramedics, you know the world is going to know about this. You're not even this. You're going to concoct some story about what happened, but you're not going to try to cover it up like that by burying the ambulances. But there's so much impunity that they have gotten away with so many things

that they thought it was within the realm of possibility that they could get some bulldozers out there and bury these ambulances under the sand with the bodies and move on. And they're correct. One guy is getting removed from his job and celebrated in their report, in the Israeli report, they celebrate the guy. He had an amazing career.

He was wounded. But, you know, he shouldn't have fired on the, they shouldn't have allowed them to fire on this one vehicle. At the same time, Ryan, we have this story. Let's put it up there on the screen. Can you describe for us what happened here? Yeah. So Fatma Hosana, who is a photo, 25 year old photo journalist in, uh, in Gaza, who had, who had also picked up a lot of, um, international attention, um, for her, for her own kind of, uh, charisma and, and confidence and courage and also for her photographs.

Just absolutely compelling work. She is the focal point of a documentary that was just accepted into Cannes. Is that how you say it? Yes. A huge achievement in the world of documentary filmmaking. The day after her film was accepted into Cannes, the film festival, her home is hit with a targeted strike, which kills, I believe at this count, 10 members of her family. Of course, they're saying that they were aiming for some Hamas fighter or something. Let's say that that's true just for a second. It means that they're willing to kill 10 innocent people for one Hamas fighter in his home, which is a violation of the laws of war. Even if a person was previously a combatant, when they go back to their home,

laws of war say you don't attack somebody in their home. Particularly, you don't do it with nine of their family members surrounding them. The coincidence to me is too stark. They have targeted so many people who have risen to global celebrity that, and targeted, we're not talking about they hit a huge apartment building and they happen to be inside the apartment building, hit her home, like a direct hit on their home. Just like they hit when they killed the poet, Rayfad Al-Aryir. He was in a second floor apartment. They hit the second floor apartment only with a direct hit.

Killed him, a bunch of his family members. I forget his name, the Instagram and TikTok star in the northern Gaza who was famous as a chef, just cooking for people. And because of what he was able to do, he developed this global audience, killed him directly. Hosan Shabbat, our reporter, killed him directly. These are not accidental killings. These are people who sit around, make a decision to target somebody, send that up the chain, and it is signed off on, and then it is executed. Yep. And, you know, every once in a while somebody like you, somebody like Trey Yankst at Fox News will try and bring attention to this, but by and large, completely ignored. And now the director said they're changing the ending now.

Like, not the ending, but the end card. The end card said, you know, Fatma is alive in Gaza and continuing her pursuit of photojournalism. They now have had to add a new card to the end of that documentary. And there won't be a dry eye in the house. And when the movie comes out, you'll have pro-Israel forces complaining about it, trying to shut down theaters that will play it, and then asking why the world hates them. Yeah. Why is the world so against us?

Right. No clue. Let's break the Iran deal down. What do you got for us on that? Camp Shane, one of America's longest running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary results. Campers who began the summer in heavy bodies were often unrecognizable when they left. In a society obsessed with being thin, it seemed like a miracle solution. But behind Camp Shane's facade of happy, transformed children was a dark

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Have you ever thought about going voiceover? I'm Hope Woodard, a comedian, creator, and seeker of male validation. To most people, I'm the girl behind voiceover, the movement that exploded in 2024. Voiceover is about understanding yourself outside of sex and relationships. It's more than personal. It's political, it's societal, and at times, it's far from what I originally intended it to be.

These days, I'm interested in expanding what it means to be voiceover, to make it customizable for anyone who feels the need to explore their relationship to relationships. I'm talking to a lot of people who will help us think about how we love each other. It's a very, very normal experience to have times where a relationship is prioritizing other parts of that relationship that aren't being naked together. How we love our family. I've spent a lifetime trying to get my mother to love me, but the price is too high. And how we love ourselves. Singleness is not a waiting room. You are actually at the party right now. Let me hear it. Listen to VoiceOver on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Despite all of the obstacles thrown up in their way, direct U.S.-Iran talks are proceeding with some significant momentum. Let's put this Trita Parsi post on the screen. So the teams met in Rome

on Saturday, and what is surprising coming out of this is that they said, all right, the technical meeting coming out of this will be in four days, and we're going to meet just a couple days after that for political meetings again. And to give people a sense of how these go, so you get the political people in a room, and they kind of draw the political outline of what the deal is going to look like. And you don't need necessarily the technical experts in there. So in this case, the big fight between – and Israel continues to insert itself into these negotiations. They want there to be zero nuclear program in Iran, no civilian nuclear program at all. Whereas the U.S. and Iran have

said, at this point, we're okay with a civilian nuclear program with the Atomic Energy Agency, monitoring it, and verifying that there is no capacity for a breakout. Israel says, if you allow them to have that, that gets them too close to being able to break out to a bomb if the deal collapses. So that's the political argument. So by setting up the technical meeting just a few days after the political one suggests that the political meeting went well, because now you need the technical folks to come in and say, okay, what does it mean to have a civilian program that is under this level of enrichment threshold? And it also means that the technical details, the fact that they scheduled the next political meeting

so soon after the technical one suggests that they think the technical details aren't that complicated. They should be able to sit down, hash this out, and get on with it. Nikki Haley, you put up E6 here, sees this happening as well. Good sign that things are moving apace, that Nikki Haley is freaked out. She says Obama 2.0 because she thinks, I think rightly, that the only reason Trump, well, Trump ripped up the Iran deal for two reasons. First, it was called the Obama nuclear deal. And second, his pro-Israel hawks insisted that he ripped it up.

So, Sheldon Adelson didn't like it, and it's called the Obama nuclear deal. Day one. Get it out of here. What we just discussed about this former Israeli Ministry of Defense employee, her old boss, Mark Dubowitz, I want to be clear about what these people want. It's not that they object to a deal. Here's what he had to say just yesterday. The Islamic Republic is weaker than ever, hated by most Iranians, hammered by the IDF and Mossad. That part's true. Its terror armies, air defenses, missile production capability are in ruins. Never a better time to dismantle

its nuke program and finish off the regime. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was like, hold on a second. So, we're not talking about the deal. Do we have the retro... Yeah, it's like, you're like, oh,

so, this isn't about the nuclear program at all. This is about finishing off the regime. This is not about Obama. This is about regime change. And they finally are being forced to say the quiet part out loud because they can't even rely on getting the whole right-wing ecosystem jammed up around Obama. They have to now countersignal Trump. The way they're doing it is how Nikki Haley has done, oh, this is all about Obama and all this. But let's not, like,

let's be honest about their goal. They want a straight up regime change war. That strike by Israel was not about the Iranian nuclear program. That was a pretext to suck the United States in into a war of total annihilation and regime change in Iran, period. Now, did you sign up for that? Do most people want that? I don't think so. I think it would be a complete disaster. And it's pretty clear, the agenda that's happening inside. And while I want to hold these up, I just don't think you can understate how colossal the campaign against this is.

So, for example, let's put this up there on the screen, please. Trump has now appointed Mark Levin from Fox News to, quote, lead the Homeland Security Advisory Council. Now, Mark Levin is one of the most anti-Iran deal forces in the American conservative commentariat. This guy is straight out of the FDD playbook. He's somebody who wants regime change. He attacks anybody who previously is not like wholly subservient to the state of Israel, who has been appointed previously to the Pentagon. He's actively led that against him. Trump, of course, respects him. Why? Because he's on television, and now he's putting him on this advisory council with more access to Trump.

Well, this individual. That's a very strong voice. Mark Levin has also targeted Tulsi Gabbard. Why? Because Tulsi Gabbard had the audacity, Ryan, to present U.S. intelligence saying, if we bomb Iran, if Israel bombs Iran, we're going to be drawn into a war. And he said she needs to be fired and retract that evidence. This is Iraq war level shit. This is Dick Cheney going to the CIA to meddle with the national intelligence estimate about Iraq's nuclear weapons program.

That's what we're dealing with here. And again, I'm not betting against them. I think they're going to win. That's the terrifying part. devolved into fighting over the Jeffrey Goldberg signal chat. So the reason that those were scheduled were actually to talk about the new intelligence assessment for the annual intelligence assessment. The assessment that they presented to Congress was that Iran has made zero move toward a militarized nuclear program and that their intelligence assessment is that they have zero interest in moving to a military nuclear program, a weaponized nuclear program. None whatsoever. in Iran who advocated for a military nuclear program in ways that they had not done so before,

so that the politics were changing a tiny bit as a result of all of the pressure. They said from the Ayatollah and elsewhere, there was no interest at all. That's the American intelligence assessment. And what Dubowitz is saying is, how dare you? I want different facts. Again, this literally is out of the Iraq war. It's not a joke. It's reality. This is exactly how it all went down with the politicization of the intelligence and the meddling and making sure that it said exactly what they wanted so they could present all this bullshit to Congress and the Secretary of State. This is the same playbook that's happening right now. I would be remiss if I didn't at least give, like, some good news.

Let's put this up there, please, on the screen at E8. Adam Boehler, who we'll all recall, was sidelined for several months for having the audacity to, what was it again? Talk with Hamas? Oh, right. To say that we're not a client. The audacity. We're not a client of Israel. Went on television and said, we are not a client state of Israel, and for that was benched for several months. Has now been appointed to an expanded hostage enver role after the Hamas talks uproar.

Allegedly, he has put in for an application or whatever to try and restart some negotiation with Hamas over continued ceasefire and hostage release, we wish him the best of luck. But also, if that happened to you, Ryan, are you ever going to open your mouth again about the U.S. not being a client of Israel? Okay, sorry. Correction. Right. We are a client of Israel. My fault? Yeah, oops.

Yes. Yeah, so, you know, look, Steve Witkoff lives. He lives to fight another day. Bowler survives. These are all good things. But there's a lot of, Steve Witkoff lives. He lives to fight another day. Bowler survives. These are all good things. But there's a lot of other bad stuff that's happening. They have everything. And I think the danger is what they want to do is because Trump wants to get this done quickly.

And Trump also is not paying that much attention. So, for example, on the Ukraine thing. Well, he told us it would be wrapped by day one. Okay, well, it's day 90, whatever. Marco Rubio just the other day goes, hey, if Russia and Ukraine don't sign a deal soon, America will lose interest. So they're trying to do bilateral trade negotiations with 75 countries, wrap up the largest land war in Europe, and wrap an Iranian nuclear duel all in a three-month period. Well, if all that happens is it just

drags on, right, then the more political capital that the pro-Iran war caucus has to say to them, hey, we tried negotiations. They're not coming to the table. Let's go ahead and bomb them. That is the real danger here. Trump wants an accelerated timeline. Maybe Iran will give it to him. I'm not so sure I would if I were there, right? I would want a lot of trust and a lot of verification before I were ever to enter something like that.

The number one thing that Iran is asking for is an ironclad guarantee that they will not rip up this deal. Yes. And you can't really blame them for doing that. They, interestingly, abided by the terms of the Iran deal for a significant amount of time after Trump walked away from it and remained in the deal with the Europeans and the Russians because it was a large global deal with Iran. So they're like, just promise us you're not going to break it this time. And we're like, I'm not so sure about that. Right. That's right. Drive a hard bargain, guys. Yes. You know, not an ideal situation. I'll just put it that way. But listen, we remain relatively optimistic here and we'll continue to track it.

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we still have to cover the Pope too. We'll get that out later. Let's start with Douglas Murray catching some straights in the latest Joe Rogan podcast episode. Let's take a listen. Have you been there? Right, that's a good point. Have you even, you haven't been?

By the way, how is he in all these wars? Can I just go to wars? By the way, how are you allowed, are you allowed to just go to wars? You haven't, you should at least have the courtesy of going there. Can I just go to wars, or do I have to come back and say

what people want me to say about the wars? Can I go to the wars and have my own opinions, or do I have to have the opinions? Not if you want to go back. That's right. That's right. It's very interesting, this war tourism. How do I get on this war tourism?

I'd like to go to the Ukraine. You should go. I want to go. I want to go to all this war tourism. Do you have any awards that they can melt down and make bullets out of? Joe, think about this. Do I seem like a guy that has a lot of awards?

Didn't you get one of those YouTube plaques when you hit 100,000 subscribers? I don't even know where they send it. I don't know where they're sending those YouTube plaques. We've got a few of those. But I like this idea of war tourism. I like the idea of going to a war and then coming back having a very

black and white view. Yes. I've been there. I get it and I know and interesting. Okay. I like that. I get it. And I know. And interesting. Okay. I like that. I like that. I love that. You feel better than the other people.

Well, of course. There's a lot of people. It gets very murky. Most people I know that have been to war have a very murky, complex view of things. But it is good to go to a war and then come back and be as sure as you were before you came. You don't have to go very long. No, you go for an hour. Couple hours. It's a lunch. Yeah. No, you go for an hour. Couple hours.

It's a lunch. Yeah. It's lunch on the front line. Put on a flak jacket that says press. That's rough there, Ryan. For Douglas, for anybody who doesn't get the photo reference, let's put that one on the screen. Our producer Griffin's been dying to show everybody this photo

for quite some time now. This is the chair where Sinwar, what was killed by an Israeli drone, and as you could see, Douglas there on an IDF-sponsored tour with his big press flak jacket, not really in danger because, again, he's on a, you know, you IDF military-sponsored thing. Tim actually made the best point, and that's something that I immediately texted Dave about, is I was like, dude, he keeps saying you've never been there. The only reason he gets to go is because he's a pro-war propagandist, and so the government is allowing him to go. If you or I try to set foot in the crossings, we're done.

We're done. I don't even know if they'll let us in the country. And having been to Israel before, before I ever made any public statement, holy shit, I have never been put through the ringer. Any other country in the world, why are you here? What are you doing? Is your dad Muslim? You know, it's wild. And that's if you're just a normal visitor to the country. That's not made up. That's the actual question. So nowadays, oh man, if you and I try to set even 100 miles foot in Gaza, not going to happen.

A lot of people who've been come back with a far worse impression of the situation on the ground than they had before. But yeah, it was quite strange to hear Murray say it because anybody who's casually followed the conflict knows that Israel has banned Western journalists from getting into Gaza. So then how on earth did he sneak in? Oh, it turns out the IDF put him in their own little flak jacket and drove him to the scene for this photo op. I don't think you should be able to wear a press vest in that circumstance. In what way are you press? You're just completely—

You're just play acting. I mean, you know, Tim made a funny joke about Ukraine. I mean, it's the same thing. Like, what, you think you or I are getting anywhere close to the Ukrainian front line? And I say the same thing about Russia. You know, if Russia was like, hey, you want to come in? It's like, no, I'm not being used by you, you know, to show me what you want on your little dog and pony show. And this is the same for anybody, you know, as you and I know, covering the Pentagon beat.

You only get to see what they want you to see. You get to ride around with the secretary. Yeah, they make you feel important in a Humvee or whatever, but you're never going off the base. You don't get to go in bed with troops. Actually, one of the interesting things is that in the early days of the war, during Iraq and Afghanistan, they actually did let journalists do that, and they started to pull back so that you don't have –

remember that documentary Restrepo? I mean, that changed a lot of people's minds. Or that book Generation Kill, having the guy literally in the front Humvee and people were like this is a clusterfuck i can't believe that this is what's happening they shrank that stuff way down so and that's our military which is relatively relatively more open now that we're talking about the israeli military ukrainian and other things so that was the preposterous nature of his argument but there's also like a personal thing happening there where doug Douglas, he opened his segment with Joe by

being openly antagonistic, being like concern trolling him over not having enough people on him who are pro-Israel. He later came to the expert thing. The specific moment that he was challenging Dave Smith about, have you been there,

was about when Dave Smith about, have you been there, was about when Dave Smith said, they're not letting in humanitarian aid. Yes. And he said, well, have you been to the crossings? And what's so insane about that is that Israel has announced that since March 2nd, I don't know when he did his little tourist trip there, but Israel announced on March 2nd

that they're not letting in aid. They said it publicly. They have repeated that many times since then. They have publicly said they're not letting in aid in order to put pressure on the Palestinians through starvation to get them to reach a different deal than the ceasefire deal they'd reached before. All you need is, you don't even need a subscription to newspapers. You can just read the free versions and you can read these quotes from it. You don't need to go to the crossing. In fact, if you go on an Israeli sponsored trip to a crossing and you observe anything different than what they are saying they're doing, then you are being lied to. Separately, the idea that you could just stand at a crossing and look at some trucks and that gives you any indication of what the humanitarian condition is inside of Gaza is also preposterous.

The idea that you could sit in Sinwar's chair and know what the prices of eggplants and tomatoes are at the market is absurd. The way you find that out is you talk to Palestinians who go to the markets. There are more than a million of them. You can talk to them. So reporting can be done without going inside there. Reporting can be done by Palestinian journalists who are inside Gaza. But the notion that you have to be there in order to see that is undermined by the fact that what he was saying that aid was getting in was a lie.

He was wrong. So, yes, he's been there, but he's either a liar or an idiot. Exactly right. And yet him and Bill Maher had to further concern troll together on Bill Maher's show. Let's take a listen. You were on Joe Rogan a couple of days ago, a week ago, something like that. It got a lot of press. And I'm glad you said what you said, which is, I mean, I like Joe, but he has on people

who entertain these crazy conspiracy theories and doesn't really push back on them. It's okay to have, I mean, I'm a free speech absolutist pretty much, but there seems to be no pushback on this. The reason I did this pushback was, I mean, you just have to. I mean, you just have to, in my view, it's basic social hygiene. If you've got somebody who's coming along who pretends to be a historian, who then can always do the thing of saying, oh, I actually don't call myself a historian. It's just other people I allow to call me a historian. Like, I'm not a car mechanic, but if I kept on being introduced as a car mechanic, I would say, oh, no, you got the wrong guy. So they don't mind it. They don't mind it. They have this slip out. These people that I was trying to call out on Joe's show,

they are doing things like Hitler wasn't that much of an anti-Semite. Main problem in the 20th century was Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill was the warmonger. Adolf Hitler wanted peace. And I just, look, it's a matter of social hygiene. Don't feed me this shit. What they're watering and what's going to come up underneath them are going to be people who believe this rot. And a lot of people, you can clearly see on the right at the moment, are very happy if you can denigrate the tradition of Winston Churchill and pretend that Adolf Hitler wasn't so bad, because then you can do things like Christian nationalism. You can do really, really tough nationalist stuff. You can buy Kanye albums.

That's the last stage. So strawmanning, he's like equating Dave Smith, Daryl Cooper, and Ian Carroll all in one. As he showed on the show, he did not even really know that much about Cooper and or Ian Carroll whenever he was trying to denigrate them. But, you know, let's just come back to the final point about having been there and about gatekeeping. This is a guy who, again, when he was in his, what, mid-20s, wrote Neoconservatism and Why We Need It in 06, when the Iraq War was a disaster, has since written books about migration, about wokeness, and now about whatever his latest In Defense of the West book is. He is just as unqualified and as lack of an expert as any of

those individuals. And to be honest, actually less informed, obviously, from his public comments that are all on the subject. They're so reductive. And then finally, for these two free speech, non-gatekeepers and all these people, bullshit. You're obvious. You're advocating right there for gatekeeping. And, you know, when's the last time anybody interesting was on a Bill Maher show? Be serious. Like it.

Let's be honest. He's really playing weird games with this line where he's saying that people, quote-unquote, downplay Hitler's anti-Semitism. So apparently, what he complained about on Rogan, he's like, If you were going to get into that, we can, but yeah. We should do a second. Oh, sure. Because what he's saying, so Daryl Cooper and others have said that at various times throughout Hitler's rise to power, he downplayed his own anti-Semitism and his true designs for the Jewish people in Germany and throughout Europe because those views were unpopular with the German public. And abroad. And abroad, in particular abroad.

And he had to smuggle those views in. And then once he got power, then he carried, then he, and people say, well, he wrote Mein Kampf. It's like, yes. So it feels like this shouldn't have to be explained to people. But apparently, apparently it does. Politicians often will say something earlier in their career that that is the truth. And then as they rise through power, they downplay that. Correct. Say, I didn't really believe that.

I'm not for 150% tariffs or I'm not for pure free trade. Whatever is in your interest in the political moment, you say that. He's not saying that Hitler was not a thorough anti-Semite through and through with designs on a genocide, a holocaust. That's not what he's saying. Let me just lay this out for people. Chapter one, I was doing a rereading. Chapter one, volume two, Ian Kershaw's Hitler, 1936 to 1945 called Nemesis. There's a citation. Chapter one about the 1936 Berlin, or sorry, which year was the Olympics? I think it was 1936.

1936, yeah. 1936 Berlin Olympics. They took down all the anti-Semitic signs, specifically to do what? To make sure to downplay the anti-Semites. So this is a matter of empirical fact. Because they thought it was embarrassing. This is a matter of fact.

Okay. Fact. And they even admitted it in documents that Kershaw is able to review. And by the way, Kershaw is about as, like, Kershaw is not a quote-unquote objective biographer. He hates Hitler. I mean, right. So he hates Hitler. And he makes it very clear.

And you know what's funny is he actually does the same thing in his introduction of his book that Daryl does where he goes, I detest Hitler. I find him disgusting. However, I want to view with an objective as a lens as possible as to how this person's ideology was able to rise in Germany. And with that, we must have some empathy and to try and understand from which this arose so that it may never happen again. Right. And if you listen to Douglas Murray, then your view of Hitler is that he always was from his chest expressing his full anti-Semitic viewpoint, and he came to power anyway. The reason that Douglas Murray's view is dangerous is because it is wrong and because it would lead you then to say, okay,

a future Hitler who we're going to try to prevent from coming to power is only someone who was always screaming their anti-Semitism from the rooftops. And that if they downplay it at any point, that's not Hitler. And so we can then, then it's okay. Okay. They've toned down some of their rhetoric. So let's give them a second chance. What the actual reading of the actual Hitler is, is that you have to figure out what they're going to do on your own, not just from their own rhetoric. Because if you allow their rhetoric to control what you think of them, they're just going to fool you, like Hitler fooled the German public. So Murray's interpretation, which is ahistorical and illiterate, is actually the dangerous one because it could cause people to then miss the next person.

Totally. Yeah, I mean, I could go on this forever. But it's just ridiculous to me that somebody who is supposedly an expert. I mean, this is, you know. What makes him an expert? It's funny. I'm talking about this book as if some, no, I'm reading the, that's the most pop historical. That's the basic, yeah. That is like, yeah, that's like reading Band of Brothers for the first time about World War II. Okay?

That's it. That's the level of historiography that it takes to be able to cite something like this. And he's not even aware of a basic reference. Okay. All right. Finally, let's talk about the Pope, Pope Francis. We said at the beginning the Pope sadly passed away this morning, 88 years old. Just yesterday met with Senator J.D. Vance. I believe we have a video.

Former Senator J.D. Vance. Sorry. Vice President J.D. Vance. Matter of habit. There we've got the Vice President, who himself is a practicing Catholic, meeting with the Pope. Vance put out a statement today about his passing. Let's see what he said. He said, I just learned of the passing of Pope Francis. My heart goes out to the millions of Christians all over the world who loved him. I was happy to see him yesterday. He was obviously very ill.

I'll always remember him from the below homily he gave in the early days of COVID. It was really quite beautiful. May God rest his soul. So, you know, unfortunate timing there for the vice president. I think we can say that. Well, there were reports that the pope had snubbed him and sent his deputy out to give him a lecture about morality, and particularly in the context of the creeping authoritarianism and the treatment of migrants. And yeah, so I think you can forgive the Pope for not making the broader meeting.

This was a Pope who I'm sure from the right, people are not a big fan of. He came in at the beginning of the kind of great awakening, the global great awakening. Yes, he did. So he had a lot of left wing instincts. Well, his background was like that. Support for the poor, support for migrants. What really ticked people off is when he came in and said nice things about gay and lesbian people. And towards the end, allowed the Catholic Church to even bless gay marriages. Did he? I forget exactly. There's always controversy. And then it loosened the rules for divorced Catholics.

Yeah. I mean there's a huge debate inside of the Catholic. By the way, I'm not a Catholic. I have friends with some and this is me doing some secondhand explanation. So if I get this wrong, I'm sorry. But I know that there are a lot of fights within Catholicism and this – we were talking earlier about the show, The Young Pope, and there's like a big debate about modernization of Catholicism versus like returning to some sort of like Latin service and, you know, Vatican II and some of the previous like edicts that was meant to modernize the church and make it more accessible to millions of people, like quote unquote meeting people where they are, as opposed to like sticking to the dogma and to the long-held teachings and the structure.

Now, I do think that the conservatives have been validated in that Catholicism remains down, you know, across the world. The number of practicing Catholics continues to decline. So the idea of like meeting people where they're at and being more socially transformed or whatever has not really worked out for them. Maybe the decline will be worse. It could be worse. It's unfalsifiable. But what I'm saying is like for a lot of the more conservative elements in the church, their belief is that the – their belief is that by trying to modernize, you've both betrayed like the base of like practicing conservative Catholicism while also not even preserving what you meant to,

which is the throngs of people coming into the church and also making sure that you have more people who are practitioners. Again, this is just my outside analysis, but I do know it generally reflects big fights within it about who gets blessed or who gets cardinalship or whatever. And so within that, that is the dynamic heading into what will inevitably be the next papal conclave and how they then respond to kind

of the way that this Pope decided to both guide the church and make himself obviously the face, you know, uh, as, as the Holy father. And so what the policy is that flows from that is actually pretty interesting because it's also a direction that a lot of Christian churches in America are grappling with, right? You've got Methodist church. I mean, this is a huge schism about like BLM and pro-gay friendly churches. And some people are like, this is heretical, right? And so there's like big fights and splits within that same argument I'm talking to you about right now is like liberalization has not increased a more Christian country or any of that. There's big fight. I mean, obviously it's Protestantism, so they can actually fight about the word of Jesus, but it is

interesting. You know, we'll see. I'm curious to see which direction they go into. I have a ton of Catholic family members, cousins, uncle, mostly out in Oklahoma, but they've spread out from Oklahoma. I had an uncle who moved to Oklahoma to be in the Air Force, converted. And so the Grimm family out in Oklahoma now. And my sense of it is that there's more room to move in a liberal direction because the more conservative Catholics, they're kind of dug in. Like they're going either way. They're going to grumble about it. But they kind of dug in. They're going either way. They're going to grumble about it, but they're sticking with it.

And while we're doing it, one of my cousins, Christy, her boyfriend now, Garrett, is a huge fan of the show. Oh, shout out Garrett. He didn't even believe. No way, that's your cousin? Because her last name's not Grimm.

That's cool. Used to be. No, it actually didn't used to be. So anyway, out to garrett shout out yeah we love you guys okay oh one other one other thing uh the reason i'm here today um and not and crystal will be in on wednesday is that my wife's getting surgery tomorrow so just wanted to say you know thank you uh to everybody for all the the warm wishes the prayers and, the prayers, everything as we've gone through this. So her chemo is now all done. The battle is going well.

We'll find out more after the surgery. It's good to hear, man. Then there'll be a little bit of radiation. And the thing I've learned is like it's obvious, but this stuff is hell. And there's a lot of people who are going through this as we speak or have gone through it. We're with you. There are setbacks. There are triumphs.

It's helpful to have that community. I really appreciate it. Dude, everybody is behind you. The team, the audience. It's inspirational. You're a dad. Dude, everybody is behind you, the team, the audience. It's inspirational. You're a dad of four, mother of four, fighting cancer. I'm going to tear up even talking about it. Having a kid, it's like even thinking about what you guys have to go through. It's crazy. So you're an inspiration to me and so is she. So thank you, man. I'm looking forward to welcoming you into the land of the father.

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