Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 4/21/26: Trump Freaks Over Ro Khanna On Israel, FL Student Arrested For Netanyahu Joke, Palantir Pushes Draft

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

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It's a very interesting and combative interview yesterday between Rokana and Maria Barterromo over on Fox News. about whether or not Trump is making decisions for the U.S. or for Israel. Let's take a listen. All Trump did is listen to Netanyahu. That's his entire foreign policy. You know what? I resent the fact that Israel is going to tell the United States what to do. The American president should call the shots in this country.

Well, the American president should call the shots in this country. But you and your college are trying to clip his wings right now with this war powers vote. I agree. The president is in charge. But look, a lot of the things that you just said are just not true, Congressman. I mean, look, we have to look at this realistically. And President Obama sent money to the Iranians. And what did they do?

They resumed their buildup of enrichment. That's not true. Not true. What's not true? What's not true? What specifically about that sentence is not true? There was a deal that we reached to get 97% of the enriched uranium out. in the process of that Iran had certain assets that were Iranian assets, wasn't our money that was unfrozen.

And that was a deal that China, Russia, France, UK, Canada, the United States all agreed to. And then you had Netanyahu come in and try to torpedo it, and APEC tried to torpedo that deal. We were on a path to having a denuclear Iran. But what happened is it wasn't in Netanyahu's interest and Apex's interests. and they've dragged us into another war in the Middle East. They've hurt American people, and the American people are tired of it. They want people who are going to be team America. They want people who are going to bring gas debt prices down here and care about our nation

and get us out of these wars. And that's why Obama won. He was against the Iraq war. That's why he was on a path to normalization in terms of getting Iran to be denuclear and had the whole world on our side. And APEC, Netanyahu tore that up. So apparently, yeah, he was cooking there. And, you know, it's interesting.

is obviously like Fox News Boomers are the people who continue to be most supportive of Trump, the Iran War, most pro-Israel, et cetera. But even with that audience that was over on Fox business, you're going to have some significant number who are listening to Roe and actually agreeing with him over a Democratic congressman over Maria Bartaroma, the right-wing host there, who is very pro-Trump. And this is a good catch, actually, from Jack Cottarella. So very shortly after this appearance from Ro Khanna, Trump posted this on true social. Let's put this up on the screen. He says, Israel never talked me into war with Iran. The results of October 7th added to my lifelong opinion that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon did.

I watch and read the fake news, pundits and polls in total disbelief. 90% of what they say are lies and made up stories. The polls are rigged, much as the 2020 presidential election was rigged. Just like the results in Venezuela, which the media doesn't like talking about, the results in Iran will be amazing. And if Iran's new leaders regime change, exclamation point, are smart, Iran can have a great. great and prosperous future. So this looks to me like Roe getting under his skin a little bit, because we all know how closely Trump watches the content there over at Fox News and Fox business. Oh, almost certainly. It is interesting, though. I mean, I don't, you know, the one thing that really

gets me in that Maria Bartriomo clip is her going after him for the war powers resolution, because she's basically advocating for total monarchy. I mean, I think that is one of those where we really should not move past the fact that this is not only, We started a war with Iran. We are still in a state of war with the blockade. A blockade is a recognized act of warfare. That's why during the Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy was very careful. We are quarantining Cuba. We are not, but it's the same thing. But he would not use the word blockade. Trump just comes out and says, blockade. That is a straight up act of war that must have been authorized by Congress. And in it, she's going after Roe Kana, not just for saying that Trump calls a shot. He should have total ability. to wage war in whatever way he wants. And look, that's true if the Congress authorizes the war. And they're cowards because they don't want to vote on it right now. And I think he was actually very effective in conveying that message,

both on the Israeli control, but also in terms of the war powers resolution, getting her to articulate an insane view, which I don't think any American really would agree with at all in terms of the ability to unilaterally start a war. Well, and you actually just triggered a thought in my mind, which is that I saw a report that Schumer is, actually planning to push another war powers resolution. And Trump, in that interview that he recorded with CNBC,

was going after Schumer and saying, oh, he wants us to stop and these Democrats are traitorous, et cetera, et cetera. That comes directly out of he does not want to have to deal with more war powers resolution votes because they've been coming very, very close to success. Now, do I think he's going to, like, abide by what the Congress passes? No, but it creates more issues for him. And he feels that it constrains him because he believes he should have, have the powers of a king. And apparently Maria Bardoroma agrees with that assessment and

thinks he should just be able to do whatever he wants, whatever he wants, Constitution be damned because it says very clearly in the Constitution, what body has the right to declare war and is not the President of the United States. One other interesting thing here on the Israel front, which I was very glad to see. We put D3 up on the screen. So we talked before on the show about how Hungary has elected a new leader after 16 years of Victor Orban, being in place and really doing what he could to rig the system in his favor, taking over the media, rewriting, you know, rewriting the Constitution, really defenestrating the opposition in all sorts of ways. He actually was defeated and resoundingly so.

So you've got this new guy in Peter Magyar and there's a lot of questions about, okay, well, what exactly is his ideology in a lot of ways he positioned himself as, you know, sort of similar ideologically to Orban, but without the corruption. However, this is very different. he says, listen, if Netanyahu visits Hungary, I'm sorry, but we're part of the ICC. We're signatories to, you know, the international criminal court. So we have to arrest him if he arrives here in Hungary. So pretty surprising to me because he previously had said some things that were pretty pro-Israel.

But here he says, no, we're going to stand up for international law. He's a wanted war criminal and we will do our duty as part of the ICC. Yeah, I think, you know what's crazy is actually it puts him out of step with some of the other big European powers. So, for example, France had argued that they could never arrest BB. Germany said that they could never arrest BB. Italy said that they couldn't. But this is little old Hungary is out there being like, oh, yeah, yeah, we would arrest him. Sure.

And so, I mean, I don't know which way to read it. It could be political positioning. Israel is dramatically unpopular around the world, has been now for years. Even in European countries, which are very pro-Israel, at an actual government level, their population has been very against Israel or much more so than even the U.S. population now for years. So if you were to take it full step, I think, with Hungary, this is like the South Korea example. People like Magyar or in South Korea, especially South Korea, you don't need an opinion on Israel. We're on a different side of the globe, like whatever.

And then they get you into a war and you're like, fuck you, actually. You know, it's one of those where I think that's a very natural— You're like, oh, you're going to help to crash the global economy with massive reports. precautions for my own people. You're like, okay. Now we've got a problem. Now we have a problem, right? Exactly. Now we have a problem. With Hungary, I have no idea where this came from, except maybe in trying to position himself as, you know, against Orban. In trying to, because if you were to guess, Orban, you know, is lost because of corruption, obviously. People got sick of the government apparatus over the last 16 years. Magyar is still running. In fact, he's

saying he's a corrupt sellout for letting more illegal or letting more immigrants in, like on guest worker program, I'm going to shut that down. He kind of portrayed himself as like the cleaner candidate. With that respect, I bet you that the same influence like of Israeli money or influence in their politics is probably seen in the same way. Same with Russia. Any of these forces that were seen as controlling or like above the fray in terms of Orban. So that's probably what he's trying to, he's probably trying to convey a message of I'm my own man and I'm going to act in your own interest, which I'm here for. Yeah. I like it. It's also very embarrassing to other European countries like France and Germany that are also signatories to the ICC but have made all these

convoluted arguments about why they don't have to arrest Netanyahu if he shows up on their soil. So it's humiliating. Orban had apparently was had initiated the process to withdraw Hungary from the ICC altogether. And Magyar is also saying, no, I'm reversing that process. We're going to stay part of the ICC. Netanyahu was planning to visit Hungary in the fall. So this is not just like, you know, completely idle speculation. I guess he's going to have to rethink those plans. given this new pronouncement from Magyar. So yeah, pretty interesting. Like I said, very humiliating for other countries,

European countries in particular, which posture as being pro-human rights and caring about international law, et cetera, and not only when it comes to Israel, but also when it comes to the U.S., I mean, how many of them had anything to say about our illegal and offensive war against Iran? Very, very little, very muted to the extent

there was any of there was a little bit from France. Spain is basically the only country that has come out with a full-throated condemnation of, you know, actions from the U.S. here clearly violate international law. Yes, yes, that's exactly right. All right. Let's get to anti-Semitism, shall we? Canadian women are looking for more.

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dystopian. And he's not just talking about, you know, ideological vetting of would-be immigrants, which I would find disturbing, disgusting enough. He's talking about people who already are citizens, like Mayor Mamdani, rolling back their citizenship and deporting them over them having, you know, political ideology that he finds to be objectionable. So the way they get Mamdani is the measures against Marxism's dangerous adherence and noxious Islamist act, proposes amending the Immigration and Nationality Act, which dictates federal immigration law, to allow for the deportation, denialization, denial of citizenship, or entry to any migrant that is a member of a socialist party, a communist party, the Chinese Communist Party, or Islamic Fundamentalist Party, also proposes imposing such restrictions on any migrant who advocates for socialism, communism, Marxism, or Islamic fundamentalism, a sweeping turn that includes writing, districting,

circulating, printing, displaying, possessing, or publishing any written electronic or printed matter in support of those ideologies, according to the bill's text. I mean, sorry, this is completely insane, especially given that Republicans think that everyone from like Gavin Newsom to Zoran Mamdani and Bernie Sanders is like a communist that they would, you know, happily apply this to. I think I like the spirit, but I would apply it very, very differently. And, you know, as some I think people know my views on immigration. I do disagree with you that we shouldn't screen immigrants. for what we deem acceptable. I think that's democratic in terms of what it is. I wouldn't focus on anti-Semitism personally. But there has been something about the Iran and Cuba situation, which has made it intolerable to let people in who want us to invade their other countries.

And I'm being serious. I would go, and if you are Iranian and you want, or Iranian-American, and you want us to bomb your homeland, I think you've got to go. I just think it's a sick phenomenon. Same with Cubans. Like, you literally leave. Cuba, you come here and you advocate for us to go and invade your homeland so that we can restore

your family's plantation or whatever. Like, that's sick. Sorry. Like, I don't want you to be here. I think you might be able to strike a compromise on my rockley. I think we're saying. I mean, look, I really, I really think this like fifth column that we have of all of these like interventionist neocons who are bringing their bullshit from the third world over here and try to hijack our military in our population to fight their ethnic conflicts. It's crazy to me. To be serious with you for a second, the real heart of the problem is the money. Like that's why, you know, if you take Israel, for example, that's why there is disproportionate

impact. And by the way, obviously, Israel lobby is not just, you know, Jewish Americans is not just Israeli Americans. There's evangelicals. The most rock-solid part of it is actually the Christian evangelicals who, you know, have this like end-time ideology that Israel is wrapped up in. They are the most solid support. But the fact that there's been such an influx of money that you have such a large amount of dollars behind the Israel lobby is what gives it its power.

If they were just random citizens like everyone else with a vote and impact on our elections as everyone else, then it wouldn't be a big deal. Of course it's true. And then I mean, same thing with the, same thing with the Iranians, same thing with the Cubans. And especially in these localized areas where they're able to, you know, really pool their resources. and elect the candidates that they want, that's what gives them disproportionate money. It all, disproportionate power. It really all comes back to the money.

It is, but it's also like a critical mass. And like if you have a critical mass of a swing, you know, coalition whose soul, it's like Ukraine. I mean, J.D. said this recently. It was like some TPSA event and some guy came up to him and was like, what are you going to do for my country? He was Ukrainian American. He's like, it's not your country, dude.

Like, you're not supposed to be from there. Like, it's a problem. And that's not a money thing. I live in this neighbor. There's a bunch of Ukrainians who live in my neighborhood. And they have Ukrainian flags and everything is just park. Again, I love this sign. Parking for Ukrainians only.

I haven't been able to figure it out for four years. What that means is like you care more about Ukraine than the neighborhood that we live in right now. Like, I don't think you should be here. I really don't. And this applies to Ukraine, Cuba, Nicaragua, Iran, Israel. Anybody's got dual loyalty. It's a big issue. But think about Iran, for example.

Like, there is no reason for Donald Trump to care about an expat population that lives in California. largely. I mean, obviously they're Iranian-Americans all over the country, but that is where the largest concentration is, right? There is zero political reason for him to care about that outside of money donated. And beyond that, then you have to add in the military industrial complex. We're going to talk about Palantir, the interests they have in continued warfare. And so really, really, really, the root of the problem is the money that flows through our system. Without that, you don't have the same incentive to get constantly into these ways. Yes and no, but I think it just ignores the cultural aspect of what I'm trying to get at.

Like, we should not allow people to come here who clearly cannot abandon their loyalties to foreign lands. And look, I would apply that to Islamism. I would apply that, which I think is incompatible with Western values. I would also apply it for anybody who wants to accuse me of race to Jewish supremacism or anybody who believes in Israeli values. I really do. Look, the Theodore Roosevelt quote about hyphenated America, I believe, is fundamentally true. He said it at a time of ethnic conflagration and problems with Western Europe. World War I, I mean, the reason why many of these laws, like the Sedition Act or Alien Enemies Act traced back to World War I, we had a mass amount, like, okay, I'm not saying we should have been fighting in the first place, but you had all these Irish people who were furious that

we were fighting on behalf of the British monarchy, right? And then you also had all these Germans who were still loyal, basically, to the Kaiser. They didn't want to go. That's a problem. You can't have a society full of all of these, like, ethnic groups, which are basically still loyal to their homelands. Like, I don't think you should be allowed to come here if you're not going to renounce that. I would say that for Indians, too. I know a lot of Indians who are furious.

They love Trump. There's this huge group of Indians who love Trump because he hates Pakistan. And it's like, what? Like, leave your bullshit. If you want to hate Pakistan, be my guest. Go back to India and vote for Modi. But you're supposed to come here and actually, you know, advocate for your children or your grandchildren. the rest of your citizens. Like, that's what I believe. And so that's where I really disagree

with this idea that we can't screen immigrants or others of people who refuse to assimilate. Because lack of assimilation is not just, you know, people who are concerned about culture and any of that, which I think is legitimate, especially with lack of English. But it does lead to this, like, this, you know, this ethnic hijacking of the highest elements of our government. for whichever purpose, this rich immigrant group happens to be able to exert influence. Cut the money in politics, problems out. Because, I mean, you're also talking about. It's about voting swing groups.

It's about influence. It is about those things as well. But predominantly in our democracy, the thing that makes it run is money. And if you deal with that, then, you know, you have their voices are equal to other voices and competing. I mean, there's a reason why Muslim Americans have not had as much sway in influence. as the pro-Israel lobby, and it's all about where the concentration of money in politics has come from. And then also, like I said, the military industrial complex.

But here's the other thing that I would say is that you should, you know, you should be pleased to note that studies show that assimilation today happens much more rapid clip than back during the time of you're talking about being worried about German and Irish immigrants, etc. We have such a well-integrated, multiracial population that even some of our Nazis are, you know, biracial, mixed race and various minorities. So, you know, true assimilation, I think, is happening in front of our eyes. And, I mean, I hate to even take this Chip Roy thing seriously because he's talking,

what he's talking about is just purely insane and is not vetting for even any sort of, like, ethnic commitment or whatever you would want to see. It's about him defining. I don't like, you know, socialism, is that Medicare for all? Like, is that free public child care? I think that's the way that he would think about it. And that is completely insane. and he's not just talking about vetting incoming immigrants.

He's also talking about people who are here, who are citizens. I agree. Being denied citizenship because they're socialists, because they're members of the DSA, because they have some view that Chip Roy finds to be abhorrent. And so I don't even like to validate that view by making an alternative case for a completely different piece of legislation

that you would be interested in. Yeah, no, I get what you're saying. Yeah. I just think it's, I have, look, I have watched, you know, with great fear as the tide is. moved to where I think we will have mass levels of migration for decades now to come. And we are going to deal with ethnicism of probably the most historic degree in the history of the United States. We're already at the same levels we were in World War I. And I do think that people who share your politics

and that should have to grapple with what's that going to mean? We will have mass amounts of foreigners. Like we have millions of people who came here in the last decade from El Salvador or from Central America. Are they going to get, you know, upset about some shit going on in El Salvador? And if they start advocating for us to go to war, like, that's a real problem for me. Well, then maybe what we've seen it with Cuba. Then maybe what we should do is stop, you know, like doing regime change and random place, sanctioning places, going into Cuba, just trying to destroy Iran and Syria, et cetera. I mean, I would be much more in favor of most people want to be able to stay where their front. Immigration is not an easy thing. As you're, you know, you're, you're, you know, you're,

family insure can attest to. It's most people want to be able to stay in their culture and where they're from. But it is the U.S., which is the, at this point in the world, the primary force that creates these refugee crises. Yes and no. See, this is where I, like El Salvador is safer than here. I would be safer today walking the streets of El Salvador than streets of Washington, D.C. That's empirically true whenever it comes to crime rates. Well, it's like, now what? The biggest migration crisis that has upended politics in recent years is not actually here. it's in Europe with Syria and we are, you know, like wholly to blame for, largely to blame, I should say. Israel's got to blame that too. But we go along with it. So just the Gulf. So in any case,

you know, and that's what we're courting in Iran right now with a much larger country is Israel wants a serious situation in Iran, which would be an utter catastrophe, obviously for the Iranian people first and foremost. But, you know, Israel wouldn't be the ones that are having to take in the refugees. This people fled from the destruction that was caused by us. by Israel. So in any case, let me get to these couple other news stories here with regard to the attack on anti-Semitism. We've got some indications here. Put E2 up on the screen, you know, the U.S. is set to host the World Cup that Trump's anti-S.-Semitism envoy is saying that the U.S. is going to bar World Cup attendees who are tied to anti-Semitism abroad. So Rabbi Yehuda

Kaplan, the U.S. Special Envoy for monitoring and combating anti-Semitism, which why do we? we have that. Anyway, said this week that the U.S. will bar individuals from attending the World Cup who are accused of fostering anti-Semitism in their home countries. The president and the Secretary of State, he said, have made it perfectly clear that people who want to so discord in this country are not welcome here. People want to bring their brand of hate to the U.S. with anti-S.-Semitism are not welcome. Coming to this country is a privilege. It's not a right. His comments on a potential ban first reported by Euractive, which said he told a European Jewish Association Conference in Brussels, the U.S. was holding countries accountable.

for ministers who are saying things and they are not being allowed into the country. So I don't know what this means exactly and what this process is going to entail, but you can easily imagine an analysis of social media. You know, these are the sort of things that pre-AI would not be possible. Now it would be easy to do to go

and pull someone's social media history and look through and see if they've ever said from the river to the sea Palestine would be free. Right? Or, you know, even something that's like genuinely off-color that they find to be problematic. But we know in Germany, you get arrested, if you say, from the river to the sea. So there was a video clip that went viral of a police officer telling a lady, like, I'm going to have to arrest you if you say that forbidden phrase again.

And she said, well, what if I said from the river to the beach? And he was like, no, you still can't say it. So is that what we're talking about here is screening people for wrongthink on Israel? No other country, right? There's no other prohibition just on whether or not you have the right politics with regard to this one country. Yeah, we seem determined to keep the FIFA World Cup, like the lowest attended one possible. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. No, apparently already hotel sales are way down, ticket sales are down. Like, it's not going now. And U.S. tourism overall is way down.

That I know. Yeah. Yeah, some benefits of that. It's easier for some of us in national parks. But I'm reading here, and first of all, I recently, I just learned from this article that the Rudy Giuliani's son appears to be the executive director of the White House FIFA World Cup task force, Andrew Giuliani. That's a vote of confidence. Didn't know that either. Certainly, had no idea. Look, I think that remember all the World Cup criticism that we had with Qatar?

I guess we want to be Qatar now. Qatar, remember, there was that guy, well, he died or something in weird circumstances after he had worn. I think he wore like a gay pride shirt. We covered it here on the show. Yeah, that's right. To a game. His family claims he died of natural causes.

Just saying. But yeah, I think he was kicked out. But they were banning all any sort of expressions of like gay pride or other. Yeah, look, not care. all that much about gay. Yeah, but you should be, I mean, I do, and you should be able to express what you think. Yeah, for me, it was like, hey, are we allowed

to talk about migrant workers in Qatar? Guess what? That wasn't allowed. There were all kinds of weird, like, press. I mean, it just drives me nuts of, like, whitewashing what these countries are. Having lived there, I know exactly what they are. People were very mad at us with that coverage.

Yeah, they were, yeah, a lot of Qataris. A lot of people who I went to school with in Qatar in the royal family, furious. I hadn't heard from him 10 years. They're pissed off about it, don't. care. But it's interesting to me, I think, that they seem fully committed to this. And the whole world, and even this I find difficult, should we care what the world thinks of us? Yes, no. A lot of Europeans have been snobs about Americans for many decades. And it's not like they have

so much to stand up for. But I think with the anti-Semitism piece, even though Europe does it too, adopting it just shows a level of like subservience to this foreign state, which is bizarre and strange and intolerable for the American population. It also makes everybody else around the world just be like, I don't understand this because it's so foreign to their own politics. And antithetical to some of the parts of America that are the things that I'm most proud of in this country, like freedom of speech, you know? I mean, that's supposed to be a grand tradition and core value here, et cetera.

And so on behalf of this country, we are curtailing our own, undermining our own rights. It makes no sense. And speaking of that, this is a crucial. crazy, crazy story that is unfolding down in Florida. This college student has been arrested for a joke she made in a private group chat involving Netanyahu. This is a local news report. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that. In a WhatsApp group chat of about 215 students, where students were discussing an event that was to take place Friday at the Ocean Bank Convocation Center on campus to make their capstone presentations. An FIU police officer read some of

the statements in court. The exact words utilize was there's going to be a bomb in the Ocean Bank Convocation Center and it's going to be at Jonathan's fault, one of the members in the chat. Seven News obtaining some bits of that chat. It seemed the student wanted the event rescheduled and wrote, quote, then Yahoo, if you can hear me, drop some bonbons for us Capstone students in Ocean Bank Convention Center. Other students wrote they didn't take that text lightly. She later in the chat wrote, quote, I wrote a dumb joke that should not have been made. I can understand your position, Ms. Corey, and you're saying this is a joke, but to an objective person, it's not a joke, and there would be enough for probable cause. I'm not saying it's

enough for beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know what the state's going to be able to prove at trial, but for purposes of this hearing, I believe there is enough for probable cause. I mean, come on. Drop some bomb, bomb. What are we doing? Like, obviously, what you think this is a credible threat? Are you kidding me? I mean, it's just insane. Who's this judge?

I don't know. This judge. Seriously. The judge is elected in Florida. I mean, I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. But, I mean, for the charge to be made to begin with, insane.

Some stupid joke made in a private group chat on WhatsApp, where she's clearly referring to the fact that Nanya, like, bombs everywhere. And she saw some things she wanted to reschedule, like, hey, hook a girl up and help us get this resched. Like, it's clearly a, you can think it's not a funny joke or wasn't good and taste. Who cares? Who cares? You really think this girl is like in touch with Netanyahu to bomb this center or whatever? That's insane. A threat is supposed to be, you know, clear, incredible, and actionable, like that you have a time and a place and the ability and means to carry it out. And so you're going forward to this thing. She's charged and then this judge doesn't immediately

throw this out, just complete insanity. Yeah, I need to find out more about these judges. Nothing will give you less faith in the judicial system than actually learning anything about it. You know, there's all this stuff about, you know, the Constitution and your rights, and then you learn about some of these judges and the bullshit that they allow to go through. This woman is literally charged with threats to kill or do bodily harm with prejudice, and has a bond set at $5,000. So, I mean, the fact, I mean, she's in an orange jumpsuit. Sorry, nuts already.

We're way beyond anything, which is remotely acceptable. So, and if anybody has contact for legal defense or anything, let us know. Send us an email. maybe we'll send her some money. I will pledge to send her some money for her legal defense if somebody from her team can get in touch. All right, should we get to Palantir?

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On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Turning now to Palantir, a selection from Alex Carp's book, The Technological Republic has gone viral recently, igniting a lot of debate. Let's go ahead and put this up here on the screen from Palantir.

They say the technological brief, A Trachtogical Republic in brief. Silicon Valley owes a moral debt to the country that made its rise possible. We must rebel against the tyranny of apps. Three, free email is not enough. Four, the limits of soft power of soaring rhetoric alone have been exposed.

Five, the question is not whether AI weapons will be built. It is who will build them, and for what purpose? Sure. Six. National service should be a universal duty. Seven, if a U.S. Marine asked for a better rifle, we should build it, and the same goes for software. Eight, public servants need not be our priests. Let's continue, shall we?

Nine, we should show far more grace towards those who have subjected themselves to public life. We need less grace for them. The psychologicalization of modern politics is leading us astray. True. Our society has grown too eager to hasten and is often gleeful at the demise of its enemies. 12. The atomic age is ending. 13. No other country in history of the world has advanced progressive values more than this one. 14. American power has made possible an extraordinarily long peace.

15. The post-war neutering of Germany and Japan must be undone. 16. We should applaud those who attempt to build where the market has failed to act. 17. Silicon Valley must play a role in addressing violent crime. And then we have a few more. The ruthless exposure of private lives of public figures

drives far too much talent away from government service. The caution in public life that we unloitingly encourage is corrosive. The pervasive intolerance of religious belief in certain circles must be. resisted. Some cultures have produced vital advances. Others remain dysfunctional and regressive. And 22, we must resist the shallow temptation of vacant and hollow pluralism. So each of these have their own like epigraph, I guess. You would say I chose to read all 22. Many are most, many are notable. I would say the single, the one that has gotten the most attention is number six. National service should be a universal duty. We should as a society seriously consider

moving away from an all-volunteer force and only fight the next war if everyone fights in the shares of risk and at the cost. You know, what's funny is I made that exact point to you. However, I think that there's a little bit of a difference between a company which gets government contracts for more than a guy who's a YouTuber who's... I was trying to make a philosophical point,

which is if the nation should be at war, then everybody should be eligible for a draft. Everyone. No rich, nobody should be able to buy their way out. And that means that when you go to war, the society has to be so bought in that if they're not, people will literally riot. Like, think about what you would do or I would do. If we were in a war, like the Iran War,

what's the real inconvenience we've all been caused? Gas. Okay, it's bad. But if my life was on the line or your kids are on the line, I will literally do anything. And so will most people to make sure that that doesn't happen. I think that that is an incentive.

I think the All-Montier Force actually enables people to do these ridiculous foreign adventures like Iraq and Afghanistan and basically bribe working class Americans who may or may not know better or who get tricked or whatever into doing it. And then they go over and they have no idea even necessarily what they've signed up for or they're in too deep once it's already happened.

So that's why I think that's a, now it's a real different story for me to say that compared to a palatier. Is saying that's a little bit different. That's the other thing is you look at all of this and you're like, oh, that's very convenient for your bottom line. I'm sure you would love for Germany and Japan to fully re-militarize and, you know, destroy the, you know, completely obliterate the end of World War II. Why are the leftists to have so much beef with that one?

I agree with that totally. The non-nuclear Germany and Japan has turned them into U.S. vassals. Like Germany, especially Japan, Japan is way better off with nuclear weapons. And we don't need to have all these bases over there. They can defend themselves against North Korea. Then we can purely have a trading relationship. Obviously, I trust them. I think everybody else, I would give them a nuclear weapon.

Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing, is the logic of the world that you, U.S. has created argues in favor of basically every country. Of course. Nuclear weapons. Do I think that is a good fit? No, I think it's terrible that we're, you know, we are, we are now in an era where increasing nuclear proliferation is inevitable because of the logic that we have created. There's no doubt about that. Do I think that's a good thing? No, I don't think that's a good thing. And then to have it come, again, I mean, I feel I guess a little bit the way you feel about the draft, you know, which if there was a draft,

for a military technology company whose bottom line is dependent on us being in forever war and selling technology also to Israel and also to Germany and also to Japan and all these other countries, you know, that they see as part of Western civilization or whatever, for their bottom line is dependent on that thing. And then, oh, conveniently, they have a manifesto that argues in favor of endless war, never being able to coexist with anyone, you know, increasing militarization of countries that have, as of to this point, you know, spent less on their military to say, look at that, that's very convenient for you. And you're going to enlist our entire population to fight these endless wars that you yourselves profit from. It's disgusting. But I mean,

regardless of how you think about all of these individual points, my biggest takeaway is just like, these people have to be checked. Like they're like, who are you, Palantir to come out and tell us we should have a draft? Who are you to come out and say, oh, these are our guiding principles. No, no, no, no, no. You are subordinate to the American people. You're should be. You should be subordinate to, you know, a government that has the interest of American people in mind. And instead, the people who are profiting off of these endless conflicts are the ones who are increasingly driving the train. And the piece about AI obviously is very scary and dystopian. They're like, look, AI weapons are inevitable. So just suck it up and, you know, relax and enjoy Palantir,

basically deciding who gets to live or die. That's the view that comes from here. Which, again, It's like terrifying. And there is a level of inevitability to AI. They're right when they say it matters who owns it and how it's deployed, which is exactly why we need to trim the sales of these companies and get them under control. Because right now, they are driving the train much more so. And their ideology is dominant, much more so than what the American people would want to see here. You know, it's funny.

One that got no attention, but which I disagreed with the most, is the atomic age is ending. I could not disagree more. Like he said, one age of deterrence, the atomic age is ending, and the new era of deterrence is built on AI. No, it's not. Iran doesn't have AI, and they don't need it. They have literally oil, and they have the straight to more moves. What does Russia have? They don't have a ton of AI.

They have nuclear weapons. They have a shitload of oil. That's literally all you need. It's again, completely self-serving ideology. I'm like, what are you talking about? The atomic age has never been more relevant than ever before. North Korea doesn't have AI, and they don't need it. All they have is ICB.

They literally murdered a, like, a huge chunk of their, population via famine just to achieve a nuclear weapon. And they won. They don't need AI to deter anything. They're fine. The Kim regime will survive long after I am dead. I am firmly planting that flag right here. They will survive forever. And they don't need AI to do it. That's where this is very self-serving, obviously, is about AI in the way that we need to build these new tools. Like, I've never disagreed more, like with the idea. I think that really what's transparent from the Iran War is energy matters above all. Number two is weapons that are cheap and easily accessible.

Like our aircraft carrier systems are, you know, we've become the Germans and the Japanese with their super high precision machines, which have to be serviced all the time when we were the nation of the B-17 which just rolls these fuckers off of the assembly line and can just pour them in to the war. It doesn't matter if somebody's breaking the sound barrier or not.

like we're good to go because we just have a ton of them. I think we've inverted and become the highly inefficient system. And Palantir, these guys. The manifesto, it's like I said. Like, I agree with some of it. I disagree with some of it. But it really should, I don't know. I mean, they see themselves as this philosopher kings who are building the tech and using

and pushing this ideological agenda. I think that's like a privatization of this type of debate, which should happen not only in a public sphere, but by people who are, have a vested interest in the, who don't have a vested interest monetarily in what they're talking about. So let's give good examples of like the so-called, like, you know, intellectual titans and all of them. I'll pick a leftist one, like Henry Wallace, right? Henry Wallace, who was FDR's, you know, vice president, he was somebody who was much more of a pacifist, but he didn't have a financial stake necessarily, or even some of the major hawks in the Second World War in the cabinet. They really believed this from an intellectual

perspective. They didn't have a financial interest necessarily. In the war continuing, they just were statesmen, you know, a great statesman who had ideas about the world. You could say a lot of shit about Kissinger, but he was not rich before he got into, he became very rich afterwards. But, you know, before he went into government, like, he was just the Harvard professor who had these ideas about nuclear weapons and about the U.S. and that caught Nixon's attention, like these philosophers and these guys with ideas, Atchison and others, they came up through the bureaucracy and the government. They were not multi-billionaires who had to be. companies which should to potentially profit. And I think that's where the big disconnect has to come

from more than it. Yeah. I mean, your point on the AI piece that atomic age is over, now we're in the age of AI deterrence, again, why is it self-serving for them to hold that view? Because what that argues is in favor of, look, you know, our adversaries are developing AI. So we have to, you may have some reluctance. The population may have some reluctance. But we have to charge for it no matter what. This is where you have to invest all of your money and all of your, you know, all of your time and your bandwidth and capacity needs to go. We need to strip away all the regulations so we can do whatever we want, whenever we want. That's what that argues for.

And it sets up this sort of like clash of civilizations conflict between the U.S. and most likely China, you know, and frames it as this inevitable outcome. And this was, we could put our Nobertrans responses, which typically, you know, as is typical for him, is very thoughtful. But one of the things he talks about here, he says, they basically promote a clash of civilization worldview in which there exists a they, the supposed enemies of Western civilization whose cultures the document codes as inferior and a we who must stop indulging in decadent restraint and invest massively in AI weapons and defense software, which conveniently makes Palantir's product catalog the civilization occur. Look at point four, for instance, they write that the limits of soft power of soaring rhetoric alone have been exposed, the ability of free and democratic societies to prevail, require something more than moral appeal. Peel, it requires hard power, and hard power in this century will be built on software. I believe we have another tarot sheet here we can put on.

It all rests on a pretty massive assumption that coexistence is impossible. Why would free and democratic societies, by which they obviously mean Western-style liberal democracies, need to, quote, prevail? Why can't they simply coexist with other civilizations or political systems that are out there? Nowhere in the document that do they defend this assumption, it is simply asserted as the starting condition of the argument. And that really gets to the heart of they position themselves, the way he says it. Of course, Palantir is your, you know, ready-made, handy-dandy civilization cure. All you have to do is give us all the contracts, strip away all the regulations,

you know, create a draft so that your people are ready to fight the wars that we want to get into, and we're off to the races. And that's really when I look at this from a, I guess, materialist perspective, you can just see them pursuing their bottom line throughout this entire document. That's why it's not a trustworthy messenger. I even agree with some of the point. I mean, I agree. I mean, look, I like Arnau. I think he's a little, you know, he's a little different. He's got more your worldview than I do. Let's say, though, let's say, though, that we do agree. Let's say that, you know, we should make it and invest massively. Would you invest in AI after this conflict? I'll tell you about a project I learned of recently from a good friend of

mine. It's called the North Slope proposed pipeline in Alaska. It would cost $40 to $50 billion, which is why nobody wants to do it. Coincidentally, that's less than the entire Iran War has cost now. The proposal is to bring all the oil from the Arctic Circle down to Anchorage and then all of it would be bought by Japan and South Korea. Sounds like a pretty good idea, doesn't it? That's exactly what we should be doing instead of this bullshit. Like more AI data centers? No. If we just lived through the worst, we are living through the worst energy crisis of our lifetime. We destroyed Japan and South Korea. We could phenomenal, we could make Alaskans rich, even richer because they all get dividends from it. And we can sell

this oil, or a natural gas, I think, to Japan and South Korea. Great idea. Why don't we do it? Why does nobody even talk about this stuff? We haven't built an oil refinery in this country since 1973. We've been built a new nuclear power plant, one nuclear power plant in over 50 years. Nobody even discusses this. Same with solar and renewables. I'm not saying it's bad. I'd be willing to throw a whole lot of money into it, but like what are we doing? Like even in terms of the grid, it's brittle. There's so many problems. It's like, you know, you look at the way, you know, people get mad at me for glazing China, but like, I'm sorry, I cannot help but look in despair when I look at Xiaomi cars and B-Y-D cars

and trains that go two to 300 miles per hour. Like, that's how you become a strong. And it's definitely, like maybe AI will play a part in efficiency, but for me, it's the hard stuff. For concrete, it's the oil, it's energy. It's making it so that life here is abundant and cheap and easy to live. Like, that's not where things are right. Well, to your point, you know, on the AI versus atomic and the world we live in now. I could not disagree with that more.

Think of what has been revealed where we're headed with the Iran War. It's the reassertion of, like, geography as a prime determiner. See, I wouldn't even say reassertion. It's always been there. America's greatest gift is its geography. Exactly. That we're, you know, isolated over here. We've got two oceans.

Everybody that is a threat, you know, is far away. So it's hard to hit us. We don't deal with the, you know, when we destroy Syria, we're not the ones. with the refugee car, et cetera. You're right. But it has really made itself known in terms of this conflict because Iran is like, we've got cheap drones. We have a mountainous terrain that will be very difficult for you to penetrate. And we have this position on the Strait of Hormuz. And you know what? With those three things, checkmate. That's it. Checkmate. Right? And other countries around the world, which looks very likely, Iran is able to maintain a new status quo that is profitable

for them where they control the straight of Hormuz. I mean, that is the new reality. Other countries are going to do the same thing. They're going to look at the same thing. So it's sort of a regression to the era of like, you know, piracy. And before we had this, you know, ability as the U.S. to project our power all around the globe, et cetera. So not only is there things self-serving, dystopian,

they have far too much power, but also they're just like wrong about where we are. I think they're totally wrong. I don't think that AI will determine our future. I think, you know, Peter Thiel famously coined that term, the worlds of bits and atoms. I don't think it's ever been more relevant today. Like this globalized fantasy is fake. China is stronger in this Iran conflict

because it has massive amounts of oil in its reserves. It has a global helium reserve. Guess which country gave up its helium reserve in the 1990s to pay off Newt Gingrich's obsession with debt. Oh, you guessed it, the United States of America. Like, that's our problem is we don't have nearly enough actual stuff. And instead, all of our wealth is tied up and what, NVIDIA stock and all this other bullshit,

which could literally pop at any moment. I mean, look at this right now. We're in the world's worst energy crisis. What's the stock market? If the stock market is up today. I mean, technically it is a reflection of its reality, but it's not a reflection of our reality. That's the problem with our society.

So anyway, that's my take. Build the North-South pipeline. Let's do it. All right, AMA, let's get to it. Thank you all so much. We're watching. We appreciate it. When a group of women discover

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