Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 4/7/26: Trump Threatens Iranian Civilization, US Strikes Kharg Island, Trump Trashes US Allies

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

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It's a long time since the broochel. It's been too long. A lot has happened. A lot has happened. And of course we find ourselves on the precipice of potentially one of the most important days in modern history with Donald Trump doubling down on his timeline. He gave a press conference at the White House. Yesterday we watched all of it so you don't have to. We pulled some of the highlight, low lights, whatever you want to call them, including the deadline for striking.

We also have breaking news as of this morning. The United States military conducting strikes all across Carg Island. And Ryan, you have been on top of the case of some major energy infrastructure hits that have in Saudi Arabia overnight, which the Western press is completely ignoring but highly significant. So you're going to dig down into all of that. Yeah, it's not good. Yeah, if you like the economy and having income, not good. All right.

So that's that. And then we have Professor John Meersheimer. He's going to stop by. He's going to tell us and obviously give us a reaction on only to the Donald Trump press conference, but the deadline about what it would mean to wipe out energy power plans where America stands. in the globe. Then Ryan and I have a very fun story for everybody. So yesterday, Donald Trump took to the podium and he announced that he was going to be prosecuting whoever it is that leaked the story of a downed U.S. airman. Ryan, you have now uncovered that it was actually

in Israeli journalist. And it seems that the source was probably, at least initially, according to the Israeli media, the Israeli Minister of Defense himself. And you know, Ryan, no one is above the law. I am a journalist. I protect First Amendment American rights, but I checked Israel's law is very clear. Sources, they must be revealed. There is no protection for national security. So will our president demand extradition of the Israeli Minister of Defense and this journalist or a prosecution in their homeland? I am simply... Just get a long line of people not being extradited. I am just a simple Israeli law respecter. That's all I am. I just want to see the laws of lay. I don't make the, they made the law. Let's apply it equally, shall we?

Interceptors. We're going to talk. We didn't have time to get into this yesterday. A huge drain in the U.S. Interceptor stockpile here in the United States. Some very troubling reporting, already stuff being pulled out of the Indo-Pacific. And then our producer Griffin did a good deep dive and prepared all of us. There has been some fascinating developments with AI Sam Altman declaring superintelligence. He wants a new social contract. There's a new New Yorker profile about him. Some very troubling stuff inside of it. that will break down. And then finally, Tucker Carlson having a show last night with his most

vociferous attacks yet on Donald Trump, effectively calling him the Antichrist and saying that he didn't put his Bible, hand on the Bible, whenever he swore the oath of office, something, you know, you and I are secular, we don't notice these things. But apparently Tucker did. And expounding, not only that, but on the president's deranged, praise to Allah Easter message. Before we get to that, thank you to everybody's subscribing, breakingpoints.com. Please support the show. Ryan and I are doing the AMA today, a very coveted Sagar and Ryan AMA. I think we've maybe only done one or two. So there you go. That's what is in special. And then, of course, if you can subscribe to our YouTube channel, we deeply appreciate it. If you're listening to this as a podcast, please share an episode

with a friend. But with that, let's get to the show. Some major breaking news, literally right, as we're recording. Let's go and put it up here on the screen from Donald Trump. A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen. but it probably will. However, now that we have a complete and total regime change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen. Who knows? We will find out tonight one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death will finally end.

God bless the great people of Iran. And so that is, of course, an extremely disturbing message there from the president. and coming after Ryan, the praise be to Allah, open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards. I also am struck how I've almost never seen an American president declare a civilizational war effectively. Maybe I think since the Second World War, and even at that time, we tried to make it clear we're not at war with the German people or the Japanese people. We're at war with the Japanese empire or with the Nazi regime. I mean, if you were thinking about the great people of Iran who are going to rise up, we're saying we're effectively in a war. war with you. We already were. I mean, this is Jenghis Khan. Who is it? Who's the Khan who took

Baghdad in the air? Is it Hulagu Khan? I think off the top of my head. I can't remember which it is. But yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure Hulagu Khan was the last person to have this type of rhetoric before trying to start, before trying to storm into the Persian Empire and into Baghdad and all of those regions. Or maybe, yeah, maybe Hitler. Yeah, I mean, it is shocking. And obviously you and I are, you know, responding to this lie. but the implications of this are extremely dire because we're talking here about a president with the ability to end the world, literally, who this is a gateway, I think, to nuclear weapons use. It's not just about power plants. And like, we are, this is the worst case scenario.

I don't think that there's another way to describe it. No, I think that's right. And it seems like Trump is banking on the Iranians backing down. And I have never wanted to be wrong about something more than I want to be wrong about this, But my understanding is that the Iranian government does not feel like Trump is in a poll position, does not feel like Trump has the cards, as Trump likes to say. My understanding is that they are not going to submit to greater and greater threats on social media. Would you? I mean, if I really thought the nukes were going to go off, then I don't know. But it doesn't matter what I would do really.

because, yeah, my sense is that they are not going to back down to this. So if Trump's calculation is that he's going to be able to ratchet up his tea in the taco to such a degree that the other side is going to fold, he is miscalculating. And that is going to mean either something cataclysmic in a biblical scale or a taco of the highest order. Well, let's make sure that we lay the ground for that. Let's put A6 up there on the screen before you can get to Trump's press conference. This was from you guys over at drop site. Iran has rejected the temporary ceasefire and says it's already laid out its terms for agreement. I do think this is very important to put together with that truth social post because obviously Trump is both

trying to sound extraordinarily incendiary, but also leave himself, I guess, like you said, some sort of major taco. It is Taco Tuesday, after all, where he says, we have a complete and total regime change were different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail. Maybe something revolutionary wonderful can happen. Who knows? I mean, it is difficult to see whether he is talking about an organic revolution after collapsing the country into a state of civil war or some sort of temporary ceasefire that would be put into place. But what did Jeremy and you guys find out from the Iranians about what they want for some sort of temporary ceasefire? Remember, all of us are on watch.

8 p.m. Tuesday is when the president says it is dead. line expires. Yeah. What Jeremy found is that they are not interested in a temporary ceasefire, that they seem to believe that the U.S., which keeps asking for this temporary pause, of anywhere from two days to three days to 45 days, they need it or that the United States needs it. Like, the sense is that the U.S. is exhausted, that Israel is exhausted, that it is firing off its ammunition and its defense measures at such a scale that really wasn't contemplated by their by our kind of productive capacity and so they want a break and the iranians are saying we're not giving you a break what we want is a permanent end to the war and if you look at

the so they keep you keep you keep seeing circulated this like 10 point plan this is what the iranians have been putting forward for many weeks now and if you look at it it actually in significant ways, preserves the American dollar. It preserves American hegemony in a way that it's not obvious the U.S. can even get it militarily. In other words, let's say they finish up with some type of a toll, where they split, $2 million a ship or whatever, and they split it with Oman, but the straight is open. You're still, you still then have the capacity for oil to be sold in dollars and for the U.S. to control. kind of energy supplies and maritime shipping, which is the essence of the American Empire.

Like, that's it. And everything that we enjoy here in the United States rests upon that. The $40 trillion in debt is financed by the fact that the entire world uses the dollar. If the world stops using the dollar, then they stop buying treasuries. if they stop buying treasuries, the cost of our borrowing makes it impossible for us to have the economy and society that we have. It all crumbles down. And I've seen a lot of people who are like, oh, wait, this is cool. Like oil's going down. Plastic is going down. AI is going down. All the worst things in the world are going down. Well, Gulf money also finances kind of clean energy. But also, yes, there's too much plastic and takeout.

But there's also plastic everywhere. Hospitals. You know, fertilizer. Without fertilizer, you don't have food. So the entire, you get a massive just social collapse. And yes, okay, there will be less plastic in the ocean. But you'll also have famine. Yeah, society.

Like literal pan famine, like across the world. There is a way to transition away from some of the poisons and toxins that are. in our world now, this is not it. I mean, this is a way to transition to something different. That's the thing. And I don't think people under, I mean, again, for most people who are normally living about their daily lives, I really don't think they know much about this war. I think it's very COVID-esque. I've compared it to February 2020. Right now, let's speed it up. What was the day before the lockdown? It was like March 15, mid-March, 2020. Hyper-online freaks like me had my mask, had my goggles, had my, I'd already been wearing masks.

stocked up on coffee and toilet paper. I had emergency rations. I had it all ready to go. The vast majority of people, I remember I lived across from a bar. People were out at the bar. And the lockdown was literally the next day. And I was like,

oh my God, they have no idea what is coming. I had this crazy experience. I was like, we gotta get to Costco. We need all our crap. And I was like, it's gonna be a madhouse.

And she calls me from there. She's like, there's nobody here. What do you? Like, I think you might be mentally ill. I was like, oh, well, for two weeks early.

I feel like everyone is going to wake up tomorrow. And that is how history happens. Like, it genuinely does turn on a dime. And then all of a sudden, you are genuinely living in a new world. And just to show you all how close we are, I mean, this genuinely might be one of the most historic shows we ever do, considering, you know, we're in a new world. And tomorrow it might be a new world.

So here is Donald Trump. He laid out his full deadline yesterday from the White House podium, A1. Let's take a listen. Said that very little is off limits in Iran as far as targeting, including power plants, bridges, you've mentioned those, Very little is often. Are there certain kinds of civilian targets, though, I'm thinking. I don't want to tell you that.

I don't want to tell you that. We have a plan because of the power of our military where every bridge in Iran will be decimated by 12 o'clock tomorrow night, where every power plant in Iran will be out of business burning, exploding, and never to be used again. I mean, complete demolition by 12 o'clock, and it'll happen over a period of four hours if we wanted to. We don't want that to happen. We may even get involved with helping them rebuild their nation. And you know what? If that's the case, the last thing we want to do is start with power plants, which are among the most expensive thing and bridges.

8 p.m. to midnight, eastern time is definitely the time, I think, to be aware. That's when all of these strikes will be happening. I do think it is very important to note here that the maximalist positions, as you said, have not been back down. Iran remains steadfast as you laid out in a Jeremy in their story. Look, we'll let you preserve the dollar, but we are charging tolls through the straight. We are making sure that you're not going to attack us in the future. There will be no temporary ceasefire. When the guns stop, they stop forever, and you will be paying us some sort of reparation. Now, we can fudge the way that reparation math. They're willing to ditch the reparations. if they can charge the toll.

I was going to say, so that we can fudge the math in terms of how that reparation gets paid. They either get to earn it or not. But this is on the brink of a literal, as the Trump said, a civilizational collapse in Iran, a country of some 94 million people. Trump was asked specifically about those tolls being charged. And ironically, you know, while the rest of the world is like we need to establish freedom of navigation in the streets of Hormuz, he's like, well, instead of the Iranians charging a toll, maybe I will charge a toll, let's take a listen.

Are you willing to end this conflict with Iran charging tolls for passage through the street? Us charging tolls? Iran. What about us charging tolls? Is that something you're considering? I'd rather do that than let them have them run. Why shouldn't we? We're the winner. We won, okay?

They are militarily defeated. The only thing they have is the psychology of, oh, we're going to drop a couple of mines in the water, all right? No, I mean, we have a concept where we'll change. Well, we'll charge Tulse. Okay. I thought you meant us. Your question, your question would have been more accurate if you said us. So, you could see what he's laying out there.

And I do think, you know, if we combine the civilization truth with what he said yesterday on the White House lawn when he was asked specifically about whether he would be committing a war crime to strike Iran's bridges and power plants, he called them animals. It links very directly with what you were talking about with the civilization. war Ryan, let's take a listen and I'll get Ryan's reaction. Mr. President, how would it not be a war crime to strike Iran's bridges and power plants? Because they killed 45,000 people in the last month, more than that. It could be as much as 60.

They kill protesters, they're animals. And we have to stop them and we can't let them have a nuclear weapon. Very simple. Trump was asked about the war crimes question multiple times yesterday, brushed them off. Both basically said, we can do whatever we want. That is true. You certainly can. But then, you know, the rest of the war, don't be surprised how many strikes have we covered of the Iranians hitting, you know, Israeli location or something like that?

Civilians are buried under the rubble. And then when the Israelis complain, people are like, really, you people are the ones to complain? I mean, you and I are horrified no matter what at the people, bodies getting dug out of the rubble, whether it's a Ghazin, whether it's an Israeli, whether it's an Iranian, hopefully not in the future, a U.S. citizen. But this is the world that we're going to live in now. And it's not that there was a law constraining it. It's that the U.S. didn't operate this way specifically because, A, we didn't want it to happen to us. We wanted to make sure also that, you know, any allies or the way that wars and all of that would be fought would be to be to minimize explicitly some sort of cash. And also of the international picture.

I don't think it's a surprise. Just yesterday, the U.K. announced they will not allow the use of any of their bases to be used for any strike on Iranian energy infrastructure. they're like, we will have no part in this whatsoever. This is not like Spain. We're talking about the United Kingdom. Yeah. Literal. Our special friend or whatever.

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or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Justifying killing civilians by saying their animals is genocidal language. Notice he, now he's saying there were 45,000 people killed in the protest. He says maybe there were 60,000 people killed in the protest. This is just after he acknowledged that the U.S. sent in a lot. He said a lot, a lot of weapons to the protesters trying to create the very thing that he is saying happened. And Iranians have put out the names of roughly 3,000 people, many of them, you know, police and security officials, who died during those clashes. They say it's 3,000.

And they say if you have names of people who died during those days, submit them to us, and we will add them to the list. Where are the names of these 45,000 to 60,000 people that he just keeps manufacturing? In any event, that would not be a reason to kill 90 or 100 million people or to destroy an entire civilization. The protests were centered around universities. Trump is blowing up all of the universities. How does he even remotely begin to square that? I mean, he doesn't even try. Like, I don't even know what we're talking about.

So Trump also, we want to roll A4? Oh, yeah, this is great. Yeah. So this is Trump was asked, something I laid out earlier. It's like, hey, we're in a civilizational war. We're going to bomb you. We're going to destroy your entire country. We're going to bomb you back to the Stone Ages. And Iran is actually going to like it. And he keeps, he actually even at one point, I believe he said that the Iranians are actually asking the U.S. to keep bombing them. Let's take a listen. You've said Iranians would be mad if you stopped these attacks. But why would they want you to blow up their infrastructure, to cut off their power? Wouldn't

that be punishing Iranians for the actions of the regime? They would be willing to, and it's suffering. They would be willing to suffer that in order to have freedom. The Iranians have, and we've had numerous intercepts, please keep bombing. Bombs that are dropping near their homes, please keep bombing. Do it. And these are people that are living where the bombs are exploding. And when we leave and we're not hitting those areas, they're saying, please come back,

Come back, come back. These are the people. This hoax is one which exists deeply in U.S. media. In fact, do you want to talk about the BBC thing? There's an unfolding scandal right now of the B. Maybe we'll edit this in post, but it does matter just to show you the manufacturing consent, the way that this type of BS probably makes its way up to the president. But effectively, there was a quote in the BBC.

And also, we can verify here at breaking points. This is the second time such a thing has happened. Our friend Treata Parsi was actually on BBC and had multiple clips played to him of Iranians who were saying that they like the bombing. And he called them out live on the air. He was like, guys, maybe that that is a view. But to say that that's the only view in Iran is preposterous. And it does now appear that the BBC put a quote in one of their stories where they quoted some guy living in Tehran saying, quote, about them hitting energy infrastructure. using an atomic bomb or leveling Iran, my honest reaction is that I am okay with all of these.

The quote, after it was called out, were silently disappeared and then was replaced by something completely anodyne. And it is now, appears, they either fabricated it or they silently removed it, they have issued no correction. What's the new quote? The new quote is, if attacking targets in the country brings down the Islamic Republic, I'm fine with that. Because if the Islamic Republic survives this war, it will stay forever. Yeah. That's the new quote. Okay.

That is not even remotely the same thing. And so that was either a paraphrase, a mistake. Is there an edit, by the way, any sort of correction? No, nothing. So far, all they've done is silently edited. Now, we're not, look, it's a minor, not minor. It's a big story, obviously. It's a scandal, I think, for the BBC.

But the point is that this is how it works. Is you find these fringe actors. Remember that Afro woman who was on television? who was like, please, Mr. President, keep bombing my country. And then was so upset whenever he did. And she was like, no, not like that. That's not what I meant. I just saw this morning a advisor to or some analyst for Iran international, some monarchists,

is out there being like Trump should nuke Iran. I mean, this is a sickness. Were there a Japanese? Like, can you imagine in 1945 that there were like some Japanese American? He's like, please, President Truman, nuke my country. You have to do it for the good of the Japanese people. This is a perverse, like, 21st century creation. An even better example.

A Pakistani friend in mine was just saying the other day, he's like, I think Asa Munir is a brutal dictator who kills innocent people in the streets, is dragging Pakistan back into the past. I could not, you aren't enough adjectives for me to describe how I feel about that man and the military establishment that runs Pakistan Never in his wildest dreams, he said, would he imagine urging other countries to bomb Pakistan?

That's, I think, sickness is right. Literally, it's like a perverse. How your mind even gets to that place is. It's a mental illness. But the point about this mental illness is that this artificial narrative has been elevated by extremely fringe elements of the Iranian diaspora, which bubbles up to Fox News and to BBC. and then this BS gets put in front of the president. And he's like, you know what?

That's it. They want me to bomb them, right? This is how somebody psychologically can either say that the regime are animals, but I care about the great people of Iran. Well, if you only talk to these 2% or whatever of, you know, Iranians who live in like Los Angeles and they're the ones who are telling you and encouraging you to keep bombing, this is the condition. And of course, in our media, the scandal of the BBC quote is effectively nothing.

It's not like any of the media, journalists, or misinformation. Where are they? Where are you, right? This stuff matters. It is literally being used to perpetuate potentially one of the worst bombing campaigns since the Second World War on an entire civilian population for nothing. At least Japan attacked us in World War II. Yeah, and this brings us actually to the next element of this conversation.

Because if it was true that the Iranians were begging to be bombed, because the bombs represent liberation, the way that the saga around the downed airmen played out would have been completely different. Instead, you have U.S. officials who have said everyone with a gun in Iran who was in range of us and many people who weren't even in range were shooting at us. Yes, that was a direct quote from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is that everybody in Iran with a gun was shooting at us. Does that sound like a population that wants to be liberated? Oh, absolutely not. You know, I've done a lot of reading. I recommend the most accessible book on the Second World War bombing campaign

from the U.S. perspective, the 8th Air Force, Masters of the Air. They made it into a TV series. And they talk explicitly about how when these airmen would get shot down, they would often be, you know, terrorized and, like, in some cases killed U.S. airmen by the German populace because I think, I forget the German word, they would call them like, It's like terror fliga or something like that. Terror Flyers because of the bombing campaign. And that was in a much more targeted bombing campaign by the United States.

But they've been whipped up by the Nazi regime and also, of course, by the bombing itself, to be like, you're the people who are bombing our cities into oblivion and they would attack them. They would kill them. Dresden. Well, that was a little bit later on. But my point is, like, even in the midst of all of that, you know, the vigorous attempts of the U.S. to try to bomb, like, you know, railways or submarine. People don't like being bombed. Right.

People do not like to be. bombed. And so it's the same scenario, right? Vietnam. Read the testimony of any of these flyers shot down who became POW in North Vietnam. Very often the villagers would take them captive and turn them over and go on the Ho Chi Minh Trail. It'd be horrible for all of these people. You can't sleep at night because of the fear and the sound of the bombing. They probably killed some people that you know. Right. And they're so distant from you. They're way up there in the sky when you finally get them. Like, oh my God, this is the person. Yeah, are we justifying? No, what we're saying is that this absurd idea that, you know, they're wishing to be bombed. There's no evidence of that whatsoever.

Trump also, look, just last thing here before we move on to these recent strikes by Carg Island, I do think it is just very important to lay out. You know, we talked yesterday about what that rescue operation looked like. We don't know the full details. Remember, it's not like the U.S. military hasn't lied to us about Jessica Lynch or about Pat Tillman. So like for anybody saying that they always tell the truth, yeah, be around the block a little bit longer. Or the Osama bin Laden raid. Just filled with, filled with incorrect. Even to this day, people are still litigating what happened on the bin Laden raid. So what is important to say at the very least is you can look at it two ways. This is extraordinary operation.

We got our guy and nobody was killed. Great. Also, several hundred million dollars of aircraft. It took hundreds, hundreds by the testimony of the president to be able to get these people out. It didn't go exactly to plan. there were significant amounts of fire, enemy fire, helicopters, A-10s, and all of that shot down. And this is on the brink of potential ground operation that could be happening around either tonight or sometime in the future. So let's take a list in A-9, please, of what the president said.

We immediately mobilized a massive operation to retrieve him from the mountain holdout. And he kept going higher and higher. The mountain kept getting rougher and rougher and really very, very hard to find. The second rescue mission involved 155 aircraft, including four bombers, 64 fighters, 48 refueling tankers, 13 rescue aircraft, and more. We were bringing them all over, and a lot of it was subterfuge. We wanted to have them think he was in a different location because they had a vast military force out there. Thousands of people were looking. So we wanted them to look in different areas.

So we were scattered all over like we were right on top of them. We had seven different locations where they thought, and they were very confused. They said, well, wait a minute. They've got groups here. They've got groups there. It's amazing. 155 aircraft. He said several hundred Americans were involved in this operation.

So look, I mean, I tend to think it was a little bit of both that they were both, you know, battle testing. Right. So this potential uranium operation. operating, seeing how many guys can we get down there? Can we get a forward refueling point? How many people? How long can we be on the ground? Right? We have to go do it anyways. Let's try and do a little testing. And so you can see while as well as it went from the tactical point of view, it also showed the many perils of what prolonged deployment deep inside of Iran could bring for all of us. And, you know, again, right before we move on to CARG and let's just say like the civilization tweet, I don't know about you, Ryan. I have never actually, I've always been afraid Israel would use a nuclear weapon. When you read a whole civilization will die tonight, I'm not really sure you can rule it out. And I had. I'm being honest. Right. Even as far as upset as I am about this, I really did not fear a use of a tactical

nuke until right now. Yeah. And we'll talk about Tucker later. You know, he's suggesting that Mark Levin is urging it. Yeah. And Mark Levine has been getting his way, like every step of the way. Yeah. And I mean, I think it's just important to say, like, you know, there's no such thing as a tactical nuclear weapon. No. It doesn't exist. Nuclear weapon is a nuclear weapon. Whether it's on artillery shell or not, once you cross that threshold, you've crossed it. And then it's over. What a devious term. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've got North Korea with ICBMs. We've got all these other countries with ICBMs. They're going to be like, well, you did it. All right. So now that's just the reality of war. China, okay, tactical nuke. We're going to nuke. We're going to nukefully reunify. I'm not saying they would do that. They'd probably be foolish to do something. so, but maybe they would be within their rights now. There's no rights. Everything is constrained.

Yes, right, of course, radioactive. Fallout. Straight of her moves, as people love to say, it's not very wide. You're going to put a nuke right there? It's terrible. What if the wind is blowing west? It really is. And just to see it, you know, it's not just about crass.

It's like, this is real. There's 93 million people's lives who are at stake. And who even knows about what this will mean. And who are offering a fine deal. Like, the deal's fine. States. I know. That's the crazy part is, guys, take the deal. The deal before would have been better.

It would have been better than the Iran deal. The deal now is better than whatever the hell this is. Can you imagine what is, if you collapse a civilization of 93 million, the refuge in Syria, how many people live in Syria pre-Assad? 20 or 30? Yeah, nothing. Right? A third?

Something like that. And it caused the worst refugee crisis in modern history. Just destabilize all of Europe, changed the country of Turkey, demographically, Syria alone. I mean, God, oh, you know, think about what's happened to that. Yeah, ISIS, I mean, all of the fall. Even Iraq, Iraq was nothing compared to this.

This really could. And if you have a famine in Africa. Oh, man. Yeah. Libya, the gateway. All right, well, it looks like we'll, at the very least, we'll be here covering it with all of you. Okay, let's move on to Carg Island.

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The U.S. military is conducting strikes on military targets on Karg Island. So all of the information that we have now so far, Ryan, is that these strikes on Karg Island. Island are so-called on military targets, as in not on the oil landing platforms, not on any of the places where you're- The little military stations. The docks, right. There's small military stations. Now, remember, we were told previously that actually we had already wiped out the military targets all over Carg Island, so it does make you question, why do you have to do it again?

But there's a lot of things that you can see into this. It could be a precipitation of a ground operation to take cargo. I don't think that that will happen, but it also could just be a faint. One, to you faint, exactly, before some sort of ground operation elsewhere in the country. It could also be a demonstration, obviously, of U.S. power or intelligence. Not, I think we've already done that, but bigger picture. It could also just be a retaliation for what happened yesterday, which, again, the whole Western press is silent on. So I'm going to give you the floor to tell us about what happened in Saudi Arabia, because these seem massively important.

These strikes that happened, people are totally silent. the Saudis are claiming basically, what are they saying? They're like, oh, it was just debris from fault missiles. The videos coming out with huge fires seem to indicate much bigger percentage of their oil is offline than they're indicating. So go ahead. You know, we put up an A-11. So there's the Jubail Industrial City in eastern province in Saudi Arabia. there's a major industrial hub there, partly owned by Sevik, which is Saudi-owned company, and it's been hit, and it is on fire. And it is extraordinarily central to Saudi Arabia's economy.

And Saudi Arabia's economy is extraordinarily central to the Western economy and to the global economy. as drops our rights here, Al-Jubail is one of the world's largest industrial cities and a core pillar of Saudi Arabia's petrochemical economy. You add this to Iran's petrochemical industry getting hit yesterday. So this is a retaliation for Israel and the U.S. hitting Iran's petrochemical production facilities. I've seen estimates as high as 20 percent of the petrochemical production. in the world. And so we're talking about everything. So you've got plastic pipes, you know, that connect the piping of civilization. That's where these are made. Everything in a hospital, pretty much. And what am I doing?

I don't need to explain to you how important plastic is. And these polymers are to the underpinning of the entire kind. Somebody needs to explain it, perhaps to Trump. I think everybody watching this, basically understand it. Just look around you. the entire underpinnings of our civilization as it exists run through these production facilities. Yes. And you say, oh, well, 20%, that's not so much.

We still got the other 80%. Like, that's not exactly how it works. That's not how it works. Everything seizes up. You've got, as a business, export-import business, you've got your supply lines. All of a sudden, you no longer have those. you then collapse. You

were a node. You don't exist on an island either. You, your business was a node for other businesses. That collapses. And so you don't just get the kind of violent combustion of the petrochemical industry. You get the slow collapse of bankruptcies of companies throughout the world.

And then like, okay, well, we need financing to get this going again. Well, who do we go to whenever you need financing? go to the Gulf. And the Gulf says, wait a minute, and I reported this on Sunday, wait a minute, we don't actually have the money. We're reviewing all of our deals. So the financing that we were able to make before, we cannot make. Now, if you want to pay us a much higher premium, obviously, we still have some money. They're extraordinarily wealthy. They've got sovereign wealth funds worth trillions of dollars or whatever, hundreds of billions at least. But is it trillions?

It actually is trillions. But instead of, you know, three, four percent, you know, we're going to need eight, nine percent. And instead of this being silent partners, we're going to be active partners here. So that's just, that's the petrochemical industry and the refining process. We can put up 812. So in the UAE, you have, so finally, so this is coming from Sentinel 2. The U.S. is doing its absolute best to make sure that satellite imagery is not circulating to Americans to see what's happening. So Adnock is one of the UAE's main kind of oil companies.

This one here is the Asab oil field. So this is an image that our team took before and after April 5th. Before. On the screen here, it's on the right. That's the before. That's what a refinery, that's what you want it to look like. On the left there, that's what it looks like now. That's what you don't want it to look like.

That's not the only one that was hit in the UAE. And so, Kuwait is getting absolutely blasted of refineries. Now, for the United States and Israel to respond by hitting Karg Island and also what's it called Pars oil field. Parsfield, which is really yesterday. Right. So Iran is now saying the restraints are off. So what we just showed you is damage done to the Gulf economy with the restraints on.

Yes. Now they're saying the restraints are coming off. Well, let's get into that. So the IRGC announced earlier today that after the strikes on Karg Island that, all of the strikes or all of their prior restraint and red lines on energy of infrastructure will be put away. There's also this element, guys, I sent it and let's put it in in post, is that Israeli media is reporting that attacks on Iranian railway tracks appear to have isolated Tehran from the rest of the country, a step, quote, that will help protesters take

to the streets if needed. Some 10 different railway sections have been struck now. You could read that the way you want it to. You could also read it as, now we can starve the entire population of the capital city because no infrastructure, food, or anything can get on its way. And if we bomb all of the bridges and the power plants, then we're going to have mass chaos and no way for any of those people to get out. So you choose the way that you would want to read that one. I think I'll probably read it in the latter.

But you can see very clearly Israel actually issued yesterday, ironically, a message to the people of Iran. They said, please stay off of the railway tracks. Of course, Iran has no internet and hasn't had internet for a month. And so, oh, and the message I think was put out, well, at least one part of it was in English. So, okay. Was it intended for the Iranian people or was it intended for the Western media to say, oh, wow, thank you so much for putting that out there. The intent, nonetheless, is the same. They're disguising it either under regime change and or regime collapse.

Regime collapse is what their, you know, modal outcome is what they would. to see in this. And so, I mean, all you can say from the strike so far is this is a preview of where things are going. It can get a hell of a lot worse, as Trump has said, civilization will die tonight. But the retaliation from Iran, these are people who have dug missile, missile cities out after they've been bombed. They've proven extraordinarily resilient. They study the United States. They've been able to shot down F-15. They clipped an F-35. It shot down two different A-10s. They have struck refueling tankers by their proxies. The Houthis are sitting there. Who knows if they're going to enter the war after what happens tonight, if it does happen, what that will all look like.

And the IRDC is taking saying that we're going to take off all of the guardrails. And if we do wipe out their power plants and the power plants and the desalination plans. And then you have the Qatari, I believe the prime minister this morning or the president, whatever, their ruler, saying this morning, we are at the tipping point for the region, entire region from spinning out of control. So the signs are all there. You can all see it. And what we saw may be extremely tame from what we will see sometime in the future. I also think it might be worth noting. Why don't you talk while I look at what's going on with the oil markets as a result of this?

And so the final thing to think about is where we are in this process. So we talked at the very top of the block that the U.S. keeps pushing for a temporary ceasefire. And that appears to be because the U.S. and Israel are both exhausted, because they are not built for this type of what is now becoming long term. They're built for this shock and awe two or three days. The one aircraft carrier group is already offline. The Ford had to depart the entire battle space. We have lost significant numbers, amounts of equipment on the ground.

We have fired off extraordinary amounts of our both defensive and offensive. offensive munitions. And in general, aircraft being deployed at this pace require maintenance. You can't just constantly run these things. And so the U.S. is hoping for some kind of stop down where they can kind of, you know, you got to change oil, got to change tires. You got to get these things up and going again. We are reaching the actual physical limits of America. capacity. And so that could have something to do with why the president is rationing things up to 11 at this point, because we can't actually go on forever like this. And as long as Iran can't maintain kind of quote-unquote control of the strait, which means as long as they have a drone

somewhere in Iran that is capable of reaching that area, ships can. can't get the insurance to go through. Like that one $120,000 drone, one theoretical potential $20,000 drone is all we're talking about. And Iran has not yet used, has used a few of its hypersonic, most sophisticated ballistic missiles, but has held those back. So at the exact same time that the Israelis and the Americans are depleted, Iranians, yes, are smashed into oblivion, but still have countless numbers of hypersonic missiles that have even more sophisticated targeting capacity than the ones they've been using to date.

And if you push this war beyond where we are now, and they're saying that they're lifting the restraints, and you also have the entire backbone of the economy in this small area, I don't think people have like absorbed where this goes. It's very COVID-in in that sense. And think about who cares more.

Like I think it's the Greeks who say a wet man's not afraid of the rain. Iran has been getting smashed by sanctions for decades. And so you can make them more miserable. They already have a currency that's worthless an economy that is grounded into dust. So yeah, you can make them a little bit worse. And you can buy them.

And you can keep bombing them. Yeah. The West, doing okay. Right. Or is today. Like right now, as we sit here today, still okay. The hammer's coming. It's been swung.

It hasn't hit the nail yet. But we have a lot farther to fall. And so there's that asymmetric gap as well. Right. And what level of pain do you want to suffer? For what? Yeah. And for what reason, exactly.

It's not like we're fighting, you know, World War II or something worthwhile. It's something completely a war of choice. It's unpopular. It's not what anybody wanted, what they voted based on, and it will go down. I genuinely, look, I never thought I would see an Iraq event again. If we go through with this, it will be worse. I actually am convinced this will be worse. And Professor Pape even said, like, this could be worse than Vietnam. You remember he said that to you? Vietnam, he's like, yeah, it was a tiny little country with no control over 20% of the world's oil. Now we created an intolerable geopolitical situation for, everybody involved from the Iranians to the U.S. to the Gulf, which just means more and more and more,

full-blown total war. That's where everybody is. Yeah. And Vietnam broke the back of the American economy. It brought in stagflation. It broke the New Deal coalition apart. Yes. Iraq allowed China to spend 20 years investing in its own kind of development while we burned trillions of dollars doing war. And now we're going to, I just finish ourselves off with this one. Very possible. Ah, yeah.

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Listen to Mostly Human on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. All right, we were supposed to have Professor John Mearsheimer. We had a bit of a scheduling snafu, but we will get him back on the show very soon, we promise. Why don't we talk about some of the things that we were going to talk about with Professor Mir Schimer? And that is Trump effectively saying there are no allies but the Gulf country and Israel, B1, let's take a listen. And it's not just NATO. You know who else didn't help us?

South Korea didn't help us. You know who else didn't help us? Australia didn't help us. You know who else didn't help us? Japan. We've got 50,000 so. in Japan to protect them from North Korea. We have 45,000 soldiers in South Korea to protect us from Kim Jong-un,

who I get along with very well, as you know. Do you notice he said very nice things about me? He used to call Joe Biden a mentally retarded person, okay? So don't tell me about your stuff. Joe Biden, he said he's a mentally retarded person. He was so nasty to Joe Biden. It was terrible. But to me, he likes Trump.

And you notice how nice things are with North Korea. It's very nice. Who didn't help us? South Korea, Japan, Australia. Earlier in that, he also was like, but, you know, the Gulf, they've been tremendous. I'm like, yeah, they're tremendous because they're getting hit right now. Otherwise, they could care less, I think, about all of it. And then, of course, he name checks Israel.

Let's think about how inverted this is. Like, he calls out NATO. And again, look, no NATO defender. If anything good comes from the war, maybe it's turned soccer into a, NATO sympathizer. No, no, not a NATO sympathize because people confuse it. As I've said, with NATO, the problem with NATO is that we have all these countries, which are completely irrelevant to the U.S. in NATO.

However, the original idea was not wrong. Well, yeah, Germany, the UK, France, might be it for me, but maybe a few others can add. Estonia, no. Oh, hell no. Yeah, you can petition from that point forward as to who else you think should be for NATO. but that's my starting point. Okay, so let's take those three countries. Japan, South Korea. So Japan, number three economy in the entire world, South Korea, probably in the top 20 economies, top trading partner of the United States, tens of thousands of U.S. troops who were there fought side by side

in the Korean War. South Korean fought side by side with America and Vietnam. Now, we shouldn't be there, but when the call came, they answered the call. They fought side by side with American troops. By the way, South Korea creates, has some of the best military technology, and has sold much of it to the Gulf, and replaced much of the U.S. ammunition stocks at our request, by the way, even though they had to strip their own stockpile after we asked them to do so when we gave it all to Ukraine. Japan, 90% of their oil comes through the Straits of Hormuz. As I said yesterday, I read the Korean, Japanese, Singaporean, and Chinese press every single day, especially since this conflict happened every day when I read their press.

They are full-blown panic mode. That is what we have done to these people. And we're scolding them for not using their military. The Koreans are like dispatching people to like Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan with their hands out being like, we need oil now right now. The Japanese, I mean, they're on a full-blown crisis. Their prime minister this morning was like, I will not rule out having to tell people in the future to ration. Like she's like, I can't even tell people that that's not in Ireland.

And yeah, it's probably going to. I mean, the 90% of their oil, what are they supposed to do? And if we go through with this power plant, the IRGC, by the way, apologized for the fact this is all breaking, literally as we're talking, they just said in response to Trump's civilization truth, they said, if that happens, Saudi Arabia and the entire region will then plunge into complete darkness. So they have the coordinates. So what will happen?

That means 20% of the world's oil is not just choked in the straight. It's cut. Right. As in there's no refinery being operated. There's no, you know, the well, I mean, if you take a well down, as I understand it now, having spoken to some of these oil people, is the worst thing in the world is to shut down a refinery. It takes, you would actually refine, you would prefer to refine at 10% at 10% capacity rather than zero. Because zero back to 10, apparently it takes forever. And then zero to 100 is like a whole thing.

Again, I don't understand the machinery of it all, but that's what I've been told by these oil experts. Well, that's Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar. Already, 17% of Qatar's natural gas is offline. This could be 100%. I mean, that is 40% of LNG in the whole world, right? So that is blackouts and everywhere. You talk a lot about Pakistan. 100% of Pakistani LNG comes from Qatar.

100%, which is why they're so desperate to have a peace deal. This is why. So there will be, I mean, not just rolling blackouts, blackout forever for months potentially on end. So yeah, to inflict this level, because we just talked about the human damage of Iran, to inflict this level of damage on the top trading partners of the whole United States of America, you are fundamentally flipping them the bird and basically saying, I'm with Israel and with the Gulf over you. when the combined trade of those places I just listed is probably $1.5 trillion with Israel and the GCC, I don't even think if it would try up $155 billion. It's so crazy. Yeah. And the problem is that Saudi Arabia has been doing okay up until now. Yeah, because of Yon. And the Red Sea. Exactly.

They were incentivized to not find this to be that awful for them. And I did a story on Sunday over at drop site about how a lot of the Gulf War. financing is now being reconsidered as a result of the deprecation of the Gulf finances that is coming from the collapse of their physical infrastructure and their ability to produce oil, sell money, get capital, which then turns into the financing of the entire Western world. But as one of these top officials, Gulf officials told me, Saudi Arabia, people think that they're getting killed, but actually, yes, they can't export it. as much through the Strait of Hormuz, and their ability to export is slightly down,

they were able to move a lot of things, as you were saying, out other directions, and the fact that they're now getting double or triple, what they were getting before, makes up for the difference. And they're seeing their competitors getting smashed as well. So from a very cynical perspective, it's like, this is actually not so bad for us. Like, we can manage this. if their power plants get hit, and their petrochemical plant just got hit, their industrial base just got hit, if Iran retaliates for being plunged into darkness by plunging Saudi Arabia and the UAE and Qatar into darkness, like you said, that sets them back. Right now they're set back two or three years. A bunch of investment, you rebuild things.

Billions and billions. But it's doable. But it's doable. But it's doable. You get back online. And it'd be a lot of suffering for several years, higher prices that would probably never come down totally. But you can bring back things to some semblance of what they were like on February 27th before Trump and Israel launched this war. You plunge all of these countries into darkness. Now you're talking about a decade, a lost economic decade.

And let me read you what the Iranians, this is senior Iranian source to orders. Again, this is all breaking because they're responding live. If the situation gets out of control, Iran's allies will close the Babel Mendeb straight, which is the Houthis closing down the Red Sea. And then it's over. There's no more oil, period. There is no more oil. Right, because Saudi is coming out of the-

Saudi's backup plan is now. The backup plan is over. You will almost certainly see suicide drones to try to hit the pipeline. They already were able to hit the Yanbu terminal. They will try to destroy. Also, by the way, I just saw a report. Yanbu was down significantly in terms of the amount of oil. They were even able to export just like.

last week compared to the week before. So clearly there's something going on that they weren't telling us, but that trickle of oil is really keeping to the extent that the oil market is still afloat, that is one of the main reasons that it is. And they say specifically they will close the straight or they will close Bob al-Mundab if the situation continues. There are no negotiations with the Americans. We will strike energy plants in response to these attacks and the entire region will then reciprocally be plunged into darkness, including Saudi Arabia. All of this, I think, really backs up Professor Robert Pap's New York Times op-ed, which coincidentally they stole from his breaking point segment.

Love it. Let's put it up. Yeah, I guess we'll take it. But I mean, there's no attribution, which is kind of annoying, but it's okay. So they say the war is turning Iran into a major world power from Professor. You heard it here first. You heard it literally here first. Don't forget it.

They almost certainly stole it from my Twitter feed after I tweeted out the clip of Yer and Emily's a fantastic interview with him. And look, I mean, I think this is a very obvious. the leverage points that we've now seen Iran be able to hit that are very tactical, precise, but important for the strategic picture of their ability to exact pain. And with one-fifth of the world's supply moving through this straight and then potentially also being able to shut down Saudi Arabia, the Bab al-Mendab in the Red Sea, those two things really would, I mean, I don't even know. Is there a price of oil? Like, and at that point is the price?

The price doesn't reflect reality. If the price is 400 a barrel, that's basically only the U.S. and the richest countries in the world will have it. For everybody else, like, they can't afford it. They'll just be no oil. And even for us, like, we may be able to, we may be willing to pay X amount for oil. Luckily, we're okay. We're a net exporter. But even then, as I understand it, refinery capacity and all that gets very complicated.

Even if we were to do some sort of an export ban, it would probably lead to an eventual shortage of some kind of. like there's a full-blown shortage that could happen, or diesel or jet fuel, like all of these types of refined products, which fundamentally that's why we care about oil in the first place. So just looking at all of this happening alive and seeing, look, this will have a major impact on us, as I said, but we're not going to starve. We're going to be okay. But for the rest of the world, like Japan, South Korea, it might actually be full-blown like rationing. They might have to say nobody can drive. They might have to do, I mean, what's the worst case? Rolling blackout. Like they were like, look, between, you know, in the hot part of the day, no AC.

I've lived through that. When I went to India as a kid, we had periods during the day where they're like, look, from three to nine, no current. It's just that's how people live. There's no power. Well, that really could be the reality, even in very developed countries and then total blackout in the rest. So just watching his, you know, his statement and then seeing also the reaction where the

Japanese and the Australians, I saw the Australian prime ministry. He's like, look, we just want peace. We had nothing to do with this. But now it's a disaster for us. And the Japanese, I mean, literally, this is a full-blown crisis. Koreans, it's a crisis. Of course, for the Europeans, it's a crisis too. It's a crisis for almost every single major U.S. ally, which is not named Israel,

is very unhappy about this. And then you have the U.K. denying our base rights, right? I mean, you can't go back from that. Like, that fractures the alliances, as we know it. And the question is, who is telling Trump this? Because as we talked about in the first block there, you have, you've been hearing Trump say a lot of completely delusional things. One of them being the Iranians, we have signal intercepts. So that, I don't think he made this up.

So Trump said we have signal intercepts of Iranians begging us to bomb them. So the reason I don't think he made it up is because he's using the word signal intercepts. I think somebody in his orbit told him that. Oh, of course. No, I think it's a fabricated thing. I don't think they have actual telephone communications where just too regular Iranians are talking to each other and they're saying, if America's listening, please keep bombing us.

I don't think that's real. What I do think is real is somebody told Trump that. Setting that aside, what are Dan Cain, Pete Hagseth, in particular, telling Trump about how this war is going? What is Bessent telling him about what the effect is on the economy? where what are J.D. Vance? Tulsi Gabbard, I don't think, can't even, like, get into the White House anymore. She's tweeting Aloha from Hawaii doing nothing. What a joke. Just sitting around waiting to get fired.

At this point, what a joke of a person. Can we say that? Yes. All these people, you're doing. You disgust me. You disgust me. Your whole point, your whole point in compromising all of your integrity is that you're going to be in the room at critical moments and your voice is going to make a difference. That's the argument for why you do this. And if you can't, then you quit. Which Joe Kent. Joe Kent, to his credit. To his credit.

Yeah, look, he can hate the guy and all that. He made a mistake. And he talked about the Hermannuc seal around Trump, that he's not getting the information that we all have. Yeah. like because he's not getting it from cable news they're not being honest about what's going on here he talks to a lot of people so if you're one of these people like that talks to Trump all the time come on guys like right somebody tell because clearly hagg set and cane rubio and these rest

are afraid of telling Trump the truth to me they should be more afraid of what the political implications are going to be for them. I mean, they should be more afraid of what they're doing to the world, but I think we've dispatched with the idea that they care about that. But where, hey, Rubio, Hegset,

like, Vance too. Like, how do you think your future looks in a world that is in global depression because this unfolded? Can we not even talk about that? That's so far beyond that.

I don't give a fine fuck about their future political. Then what motivates? them. Something has to motivate them to shake them out of this. I don't know. Look, you know, I'm a cynical person, Ryan. We talked about it many times. Even this. I mean, like, this is sick. This is the world is on a precipice of disaster, potential nuclear weapons use.

These motherfuckers are sitting in their offices thinking about running for office. Oh, you think you're running for office? After this, I'm going to tell you this. I'm going to do whatever the guy can to make sure you don't get a single inch closer to power. Now, I'm nobody. All right, but maybe enough people. together will be something. The entire world of these with you and it's going to row with you. Yes.

Tulsi, J.D. all these other people. Yeah. All right. You got 12 hours, guys. No. You got 10 hours. Like, get it together.

Fuck you at this point. All right. Anyway, let's move on. Yeah, it's true. But still, don't dial it back. Come on. Come on. Come on.

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