Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 6/10/25: Trump Sends Marines To LA, Poll Shows Immigration Trump's Best Issue

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

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on our hands. I'm just running circles around him. No, I said yesterday. I said any bad take that I have for the next year, you can just blame it on sleep deprivation and me being I tweeted out my health statistics yesterday. I saw that. That was hilarious. A lot of people enjoyed that. By the way, it's all worth it. I don't care. But it is funny.

All right. So let's go ahead and see what we have in the show today. Let me show bar. All right. This is the tough part of the show. Los Angeles. We're going to talk about some of the overnight developments there. The big top line news is President Donald Trump mobilizing several hundred United States Marines active duty service members, sending him to Los Angeles for some sort of law enforcement support missions. Still a lot of questions surrounding that. We're going to show you some of the video and other things, clashes breaking out between LAPD, between protesters last night. There was some looting as well. So we'll show everybody some of the images. We're going to talk about a little bit of polling. I teased that yesterday. There's been some CBS news, widespread polling about Donald Trump and immigration. This is a big segment of our discussion yesterday with Crystal over the popularity of Trump's program and also just broadly why a lot of this fight is being picked right now. We're going to talk about Palantir. This is a story that I missed, but Ryan, you're really going to be driving this one. This is Laura Loomer is getting involved.

Tim Dillon is alleging that there's widespread buying off of influencers regarding Palantir. Yeah, he really is the George Carlin. I think he's the George Carlin of our generation. I said that yesterday. China, we're going to give everybody, and I know this is flying under the radar, but it's tremendously important. United States and China negotiators met in London yesterday just for the second round of trade talks. Everybody's basically on pins and needles on what the hell is going to happen here. The tariffs were off while I was gone. Thank you, President Trump, for removing the crisis that you caused. Many car seat owners, however, have not yet. Shocker, right? You will be shocked to learn

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Car seat cartel. I think this is too safetyist. But, like, you can't donate a car seat. I mean, if you're in a car wreck, that's one thing. But if you have a perfectly good car seat, you really can't give it to somebody. You know? Corporate nonsense. I think that's nuts.

Sorry. I think it's crazy. I'm sure I'm going to have parenting Twitter Twitter, and all those people coming after me. I get it. I get it. I think it's wrong. No, most parents agree with you. Okay, good.

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Extraordinary news there, Ryan, out of Los Angeles from President Trump. You know, it's actually a little bit crazy because literally moments before that announcement was made, Trump had actually given a statement where he had, I wouldn't say it ruled out per se sending in the Marines, but he's like, I think that we have it more under control. I have a few more details that I can say. So it's a little complicated the way this is being done. Trump has not invoked the Insurrection Act. So this is from U.S. Northern Command. They say they have, quote, activated the Marine Infantry Battalion that was placed in an alert status over the weekend. 700 Marines of 2nd Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division

will seamlessly integrate with the Title X forces under Task Force 51, who are protecting federal personnel and property in the greater Los Angeles area. The activation of the Marines is intended to provide Task Force 51 with the adequate numbers of forces to provide continuous coverage of the area in support of the lead federal agency. Task Force 51 provides a rapidly deployable capability to partner with civil authorities and DOD entities in response to homeland defense and homeland security operations. So effectively what they are saying is that these 700 active duty Marines are being placed under the same task force 51, which is basically now comprised of the 2,100 national guardsmen that were mobilized by Trump previously,

as well as the 700 Marines basically to supplement that mission. It does not appear from what I can see in front of me is that they will be, quote, trained, they have been trained in de-escalation crowd control and standing rules for the use of force that are similar under the National Guardsmen. Effectively, it's like using active duty soldiers as National Guardsmen here in the fort. I'm not trying to downplay it. I'm just genuinely confused because this is such an extraordinary situation. I mean, I actually cannot think really of the last time that active duty U.S. military members were actually deployed, you know, without the consent and actually the, without the, not only the consent, but like the invitation of the governor of a state that was already pretty extraordinary, not happened since 1965 under

LBJ. And so this time around, I mean, it is difficult to contextualize. The Marines have not yet arrived. We don't really know what they're doing. But the image, nonetheless, is going to be, I mean, shocking. It's a shocking development here from Donald, especially considering, I mean, we will show people video from last night. But I mean, but by all accounts, it does not appear to have been worse than the previous two days of some of the rioting and the protesting that was happening in Los Angeles. It's less. Yeah. And maybe they're like planning their amphibious landing on Venice Beach or whatever to like wind up in downtown Los Angeles. Let's start with A4 before we get

into some of the other images. A4, this is Gavin Newsom saying that he's going to sue the federal government for, you know, what on the one hand you could dismiss as, you know, procedural or paperwork arguments. On the other hand, you could say that this is, you know, goes to the fundamental nature of power sharing between the states and the federal government. He calls it, quote, an unprecedented power grab. He argues multiple things. One, he says, getting the National Guard deployed was invalid because there is no insurrection. There is no rebellion. It's just a protest.

And it's not the kind of protest that the cops haven't been able to handle over many decades and over the history of the United States. And he also says that the law requires that you work with the governor and that the governor be the one that deploys the National Guard. And that's not just paperwork because what it does is it requires the buy-in of both entities. It keeps everyone together. If the government writ large is defined by its monopolization of the use of force, if you now have a duopoly where you've got National Guard, you've got some members over here who are responsible to this state actor, and then you've got another state actor that also has men and women under arms, and you're sending them into the same streets, that's not how this is envisioned to go. Yeah. So, as you said, with some of the images, let's go ahead and put some of these up there on the screen. I'll just kind of narrate kind of what

we see here. This is just some collated footage that we see. I want everybody to keep in mind that everything you're seeing here is LAPD, who, as I said yesterday, I mean, look, I think one of the distinguishing characteristics between this and BLM is that I said previously, I don't think that Democratic leaders are like really justifying a lot of this going on right now. In fact, you know, LAPD, as you can all see, is like pretty ready to rock and roll from what we see right now. I mean, the justification appears to be that this would free up LAPD resources. But you can see here right now, you know, this was after I believe that there was like a declared unlawful assembly yesterday. People are not heeding Crystal's warning and they do continue to wave Mexican flags there in the streets of Los Angeles. Here we had some

looting at several retail establishments. Of course, people very, very upset over immigration detention, just like they were over George Floyd, which is why Apple stores and Adidas rep places have to be looted. But as you can see in front of you, there are several arrests and other things that have taken place. That does look like police. This is another thing that's just so difficult to distinguish when the police start to gear up in military camo. This is something that goes all the way back to Ferguson with the militarization of a lot of American police forces, like when you literally can't even tell and you have to look at the shield as to what it is. We shouldn't, you know, overplay it either. There were a lot of peaceful protests that happened in the streets of Los

Angeles. As you can see in front of you, there were marches that happened in some of the streets, as well as across the United States and several different pockets around that was happening. This is getting quite a bit of attention. These were some images that were tweeted out by Governor Gavin Newsom of National Guardsmen who were sleeping on the floor. This was Governor Newsom's critique here saying that Trump basically sent the National Guard in without proper planning or resources. It is funny because—not funny for the people who went to sleep on the floor. That's terrible.

But actually, I do remember that this was a similar controversy here in Washington after the January 6th riots. If you remember, we were living in the green zone, Ryan, after January 6th here in Washington. And I distinctly remember walking by parking garages and just seeing like a thousand guys sleeping on the floor in January in a park, cold concrete in January. You know, they were definitely here for what exactly? So because of a QAnon, Ryan? I feel kind of similarly about this. I mean, there's no real reason, at least in my opinion, outside of optics, but we will get to the polling for a lot of this. But I mean,

I think it fits with a lot of the Trump administration strategy, inviting fights over, you know, basically extraordinary uses of power. And in this particular case, trying to pick a fight where he does believe he feels strongest politically. And part of the reason for that is, we talked a lot about this yesterday. I'm curious what you think is that. I think it's really important to contextualize what's happening in Los Angeles, but it's also important to contextualize that probably 90% of the country has never been to Los Angeles, maybe even 95% of the country. So when you are in Pittsburgh or Detroit or Georgia or Charlotte, North Carolina, any of these places, you don't know anything about LA. All you're watching is the video about what's

happening over there. And with images like this, regardless of whether you're watching CNN, Fox, or anything, you're going to be seeing the Mexican flag. You're going to be seeing some of the, or if you're on social media, you're going to be seeing some of the looting. You may even be seeing some of the peaceful protesting and all of that as well. But you are going to get the impression that things are really hot and on fire in the city. And that means that drawing attention to that and then the conflagration surrounding it at a national level is really one that Donald Trump is inviting. And there's a bunch of discussion kind of in the center left around the question of how smart are the protests for

Democrats or how smart are the protests for opposition to Trump, which ignores the fact that it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. Like, this is not a centralized, like, Soros-planned thing. Well, you should speak on that, because there is actually a lot of right-wingers who do believe that this is, like, massively—by the way, I've always found that incredibly stupid. Like, there's this theory in the right that every left-wing protest is, like, organized and supported by NGOs. Now, I won't deny that these people don't have email lists or whatever, bust people in or any of that. But I mean, I was living here in the city during BLM. I can pretty much just guarantee you that it wasn't

because of organization. I mean, I think it was like, again, literally people being at home, mass psychosis, just believing in this cause, whatever, fine. We've litigated that today. My point though, is that I don't think anybody forced my white liberal neighbors to all go out into the streets and protest for Bielan. They went because they were upset. I think people are upset here, too. I think it's fine. You know, we live in a democracy. Right. And the different groups that get tagged as being central to these protests happening had the same budget 10 years ago, two years ago, you know, six months ago, yet they didn't, weren't able to get people out on the streets. That's right. Because, right,

sure, you can get, and you know when it's like an NGO protest. Everyone there is wearing the same t-shirts. There's like 45 people. They all know each other. They're on the clock. Yes, yeah. So those are literal paid protesters, but nobody has the money to go beyond like a couple dozen of those kinds of people. You need an actual spark and you need gasoline. And then you get people out onto the streets. And what the Trump administration has been doing was effectively guaranteed to create this reaction and arguably designed to create this reaction because they love it. Like they absolutely adore these images that they're getting. Let's Trump do the thing he's really wanted to do.

Send in the Marines. Yeah. Well, there is real like on the right in particular, there's still a lot of anger about the way that the BLM protests were handled. They're going to restart BLM and re-smash it. It's bidirectional. Nobody's forcing people to loot Adidas and Apple stores, okay? And every person who does, you know, all right, you know, it's not 2020 anymore. You don't have CNN panels talking about riot is the voice of the unheard.

Everyone's like, you're kind of an idiot and you're going to jail. But I will say, you know, on that front, that's this whole like tone policing around protesters. I don't know. I still think it's important, actually. I think it's important for opinion leaders and others to learn lessons politically and for people to recognize like, hey, this is really bad. Like, well, I mean, on January 6th and all that, there was at least what, a two-year, three-year period where we're like, yeah, you know, like that didn't turn out so well for us. It ended up being fine, I guess, in the end. And people largely forgot about it. But, I mean, I don't think we could deny that in 2022, if you remember, a lot of the more like Gen 6 adjacent Republicans who ran, they all lost.

I mean, Doug Mastriano, David Perdue, remember, against Raffensperger. We had Brian Kemp survive. um david purdue remember a day against raffensperger we had brian kemp survive like it was important actually in its time to not necessarily carrie lake you know to be a peer as one of these people who gave democrats extreme it gave democrats the united states senate and that's arguably the reason that what we have like the inflation reduction so many ten pulp whether you like them or not there that is actually did have an impact. Sure, it didn't end up having in 2024. But anyway, I do think that level of people advising them to be smart or whatever, I don't think it's a bad idea. Because sure, maybe some Mexican flag wavers

are always going to do it. But it does matter to have a top-down kind of commentariat telling people and be like, this is not good. Like you are inviting your own destruction to a certain extent. And I think people like you and Chris have spoken up against that destruction. And you're like, that's not what we want to see. So just don't give people what they want, which is generally a good rule in politics, by the way. It's interesting though, that the security forces never get tone policed. Like you never hear, even on Fox, not on newsmax that's a hey buddy maybe you shouldn't on camera aim your weapon at an australian reporter and pull the trigger i did see or people criticize that at least at least not necessarily i don't know if it's on

newsmax by the way i don't watch newsmax confession confession. It may have been Fox. I actually have no idea. Or like plainclothes ice goons should stop going around masked. Because there was just this case in Philadelphia where a guy went into like a barbershop or something. Or a beauty shop or something. And was masked and dressed like a fake ice agent. Oh, wow. shop or something and was masked and dressed like a fake ICE agent. Because ICE agents are now putting on these bandanas, refusing to identify themselves, zip tying people and dragging them

off the street. And so this guy went in and he's like, I'm ICE. And he like zip tied this woman and then took like a thousand dollars because everyone's like, oh wait, we're not allowed to get in front of ICE or else we're going to get arrested too. Nobody – and nobody tone polices the other side. But the – so the point is I think this is what Trump wants. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's good for Trump as we're going to get into it. I really don't know. I mean one of the important things that I – what I tried to highlight yesterday is like one of the reasons why I thought, at least yesterday, we're doing this in real time, why I'm like I think this is net positive for Trump is I think whoever – this is just generally on these types of social issues. Whoever seems crazier usually is the person who loses.

And if you look at the last couple of months for the Trump administration on immigration, you had the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case, right? You had El Salvador, Seacott. You did not largely have an elevation of stories for ICE deportation raids or gang criminals rape, whatever. That's not what the main story was. But then you flip it and you're like, oh, well, now you have people waving Mexican flags, burning Waymos in the street. Now, add looting and all this. People may think I'm obsessing about the looting. I'm trying to highlight for you what boomers are going to be seeing in Alabama. Like, I'm trying to, I want people to really know how, like, important these images are going to be against, for anyone, like, marginally right-wing aligned.

This is spreading like wildfire across the entire internet. And that is going to inform a lot of the way that they're going to think and behave for Republican politicians and support. Vice versa, by the way, if you're somebody on the left, I mean, I know there's massively viral images. I think it's like Kirk Russell's son, like speaking back to the cops, being like, you should be ashamed of yourself or whatever. I see it on Twitter. It's got 58,000 retweets. So, I mean, look, everybody's living in their own information environment and people should understand that. I still think we're probably in net positive territory, but there are a couple of things. The Marine image is going to be a crazy one. I mean, it's just crazy, right? To have an active duty in the United States Marine on the streets of Los Angeles. That's nuts. All right. Like,

I believe one of the only times in U.S. history that active duty soldiers were mobilized for a domestic law enforcement situation was 101st Airborne in 1957 with President Eisenhower around that desegregation case. I forget exactly. I mean, it's the governor who stood in the schoolhouse door. I don't remember the name of it exactly. But I mean, that's kind governor who stood in the schoolhouse door. I don't remember the name of it exactly. But, I mean, that's kind of what we're talking about in terms of its precedence. Another one here is this looming threat to arrest Gavin Newsom. So this is something Gavin floated yesterday. He was like, go ahead and arrest me.

Donald Trump actually spoke on it, was asked about it yesterday, endorsed the idea. Let's take a listen. Gavin Newsom, he's daring Tom Holman to come and arrest him. Should he do it? I would do it if I was Tom. I think it's great. Gavin likes the publicity, but I think it would be a great thing. He's done a terrible job. Look, I like Gavin Newsom. He's a nice guy, but he's grossly incompetent. Everybody knows. All you have to do is look at the little railroad he's building. It's about 100 times over budget. We're putting a flagpole over there. Under budget. I always do under budget. A crime has he committed?

I think his primary primary crime is running for governor because he's done such a bad job. What he's done to that state is like what Biden did to this country. And that's pretty bad. It's the wrong philosophy. So that was Trump saying, basically endorsing the idea of arresting Newsom. Quote, I would do it if I were Tom. I think it's great. Tom Homan, that's who he's referencing there, actually did react to that. And so far has said that nothing Newsom has done is arrest worthy. Let's go ahead and play it. A5, please. Then the reporter asked me, well, could Governor Newsom or Mayor Bass be arrested?

I said, well, no one's above the law. If they cross the line and commit a crime, absolutely they can't. So there was no discussion about arresting Newsom. And so, you know, what he's done, he's failed that state. He waited two days of that city burning and people getting hurt, officers being assaulted before he made any declaration of an unlawful assembly. He's late to the game. President Trump isn't late to the game.

Men and women of ICE are not late to the game. Men and women of ICE, the men and women of the Border Patrol made L.A. safer that day, but you're not hearing any of this. All you hear is a rhetoric about ICE being racist and ICE being Nazis and terrorists, and Governor Newsom feeds that.

So that's what, and he gave another interview to CNN just yesterday saying that he's like, he hasn't done anything yet. Absolutely has not done anything yet to have an arrest. Just being a bad governor.

I mean, in a sense, I actually wonder, because, you know, I mean, I don't think he should be arrested. I think it would be pretty insane. It kind of would be the best thing that could happen to Gavin Newsom for his political career. That's why he said come get me. I was wondering. I wanted to get your reaction as to that because, I mean, obviously Newsom initially dabbled in kind of his Steve Bannon podcast. And he was like Charlie Kirk, right? And he was kind of trying to enter the bro sphere.

But I would say during this crisis, like he kind of has stepped up as a resistance-style figure. And anything he does, as oppositional as he can, to the Trump administration, I do think he could be, you know, something like this could be very beneficial to him and could change his kind of future orientation as a Democratic leader. I mean, he likes to walk a tightrope, and this is the tightrope, the kind of tightrope he likes to walk because he wants to be able to be out on the edge, pushing back against the Trump administration's authoritarianism, but he doesn't want to seem like he's endorsing burning a Waymo car or looting an Apple store, but he does want to endorse the right to peaceably assemble and protest. He does want to push back against Trump's across the board, we're going to

fine everyone and deport them, including green card holders, while not endorsing criminals who are staying here. I think he kind of enjoys that effort to balance all of those different things. And as long as he is the face of this standing up against trauma. That's where he wants to be. That's exactly kind of where he wants to be. I mean, this is all in the political realm. I do think, which is, I mean, it's pretty nuts. Like, Marines are on their way to Los Angeles.

And it is curious, too, because, I mean, by Trump's own comments, he said, he's like, yeah, I think things are calming down. And, look, I understand, you know, we just played videos of looting or whatever. I would also say in Los Angeles, I hate to say this, it's like not exactly a place where looting is particularly uncommon. I don't think it should be that way. But, you know, it's not something like LAPD is dealing with for the very first time. So this is what we see right now in terms of the situation. I guess the big jump that would have to take place next, which I know it sounds crazy about with the sending of active duty troops, the big one would be an evoking of the Insurrection Act. Because the troops are still being sent under this Title X authority, and the Marines are still being actually placed in the same unit as these

National Guardsmen, which means they're not out on the streets conducting law enforcement behavior. I believe a National Guardsman can't even make an arrest unless a cop is like, hey, you should, you know, detain this person. It purely is like being able to deploy tear gas and defense or whatever of federal, effectively creating a perimeter with shields around the federal property. Yeah. And some of the pro January 6th people on the right are so salty about getting accused of carrying out an insurrection that now they see, they kind of. Everything is an insurrection. Comically see insurrections everywhere. It's like, guys, you sack the Capitol to try to interfere with the transfer of power.

Like, there's a reason people threw the I word in there. That's different than a protest over immigration or police violence that happens in the downtown of a major city. Yeah, but they're like, well, you're trying to inhibit lawful activity. Deportation is the law, right? But you're not trying to change the regime. An insurrection is trying to change the regime,

which is what they were trying to do on January 6th by their own, not just admission, but proud. That's what they were standing up for. They were going to save the republic in 1776. Yeah, well, that's a little bit of an IQ test. Also, doing the whole 17, your whole motto is 1776, and then you've been crying ever since that you got accused of an insurrection.

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With the deportations and some of the polling, let's go ahead and move to some of this. There's some data that has been coming in on this. And by the way, it is not, you know, it is not uniform. It is kind of all over the place. And this is part of the circumstances around this matter. CNN's Harry Enten breaking some of this down. Let's take a listen. Donald Trump, the president, picking a fight on this. And to an extent, you see Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass, a Democrat,

and the California governor, Gavin Newsom, pushing back. So what do voters see in terms of their perceptions of Republicans, the president, or Democrats, say Gavin Newsom on this issue? Yeah, the American electorate believed that the Democrats don't have a clue on the issue of immigration. I mean, you could just take it here. Closer to trust more in immigration, Democrats versus Republicans. Got three different polls for you across the board. They all tell the same story. Republicans lead on the issue of immigration. You see it here, CBS plus six. You see it here, CNN plus six.

You see it here, Ipsos, even bigger, plus 19. No matter what poll you look at, no matter which way you cut it, the American public is with the Republicans. The American public is with Donald Trump and to a much greater extent than they were in term number one. And it's not just on the broad issue of immigration. It's on the specifics as well, in which the American public is with Donald Trump and the Republicans. And that is why Donald Trump is eager to take on this fight and eager for those scenes. That's exactly what we were saying,

you know, yesterday. And I do think it's something people really need to keep in mind. I would say, you know, really the only immigration issue of the last 30 days, which has been net positive for the Democrats, was the Kilmar-Abrego-Carsilla case. Of course, noteworthy, the Trump administration did, you know, basically bow down to the Supreme Court and they brought him back here to face-

Now they're gonna try him, yeah. Yeah, but I mean, look, it's a trial. Right. Yeah. That's all we're asking for. I mean, by the way, you know, this guy's now free to give interviews. He's going to have a defense team. Like I'm sure it probably have like multimillion dollar defense. We have discovery. I said yesterday, I really hope it doesn't take a plea deal because I actually wanted to go to trial. I'm serious. I want people to see all of the evidence just to break some of this down that Harry was talking about, let's go ahead and go through some of the slides, shall we? Let's put them up there on the screen. So this is Trump administration's program to deport immigrants illegally in the U.S. 54% approve, 46% disapprove. I will say that disapprove

number has gone up. People should keep that in mind. Thermostatic public opinion is definitely on its way as some of this becomes reality. Let's go to the next part, shall we? Trump's deportation program is making people in the U.S. quote, safer, 42%, less safe, 30%, no change, 27. Only really 30% there in the less safe category. Let's go to the next one we have here. Trump, the administration is prioritizing the deportation of dangerous criminals, 53%, 47% those who aren't dangerous criminals. I will say, I mean, actually on this one, what you really have seen is kind of a shift and a push by Stephen Miller and others to take place in workplace raids. Not necessarily even, quote, prioritizing dangerous criminals and others, but really just prioritizing the removal of people

who are here illegally. Let's continue with some of these breakdowns. This, though, is why I think that this is all really happening. When the nation's attention is all on immigration, as you can see here, Trump's tariffs and trade, Trump's goals versus Trump's approach, 50% of people are like, yeah, Trump's goals I like. 37% of people, though, say Trump's approach is something that they like. In terms of the numbers 63% I mean we're getting into super majority status over there let's get to the next one shall we here you see the impact of new tariffs on prices you see in the short term 77% is going to increase prices 4% say decrease and only 19% say have no impact and or not sure and so if you think about really what's happening, this is the whole thing.

45% approve, 55% disapprove. But it's 50% approve on immigration, 50% disapprove. And on the economy, it's 42% approve, 58%. Economy's weak for him. Immigration remains basically the only real thing that they have left, in my opinion, especially after squandering a lot of the goodwill that they initially had coming in on Doge. But anything you want to say before we get to some of the specific polling? Just real quickly on that. Yeah. Immigration polling has the volatility of a Tesla stock. You look at 2015, 2016, the country was actually kind of siding with Trump. Yeah, that's right. And Trump says and believes, and I think rightly so, that his seizing of that issue really catapulted him through the nomination and also then to the White House. When the images of

the kids in the cages and the Muslim ban and all this stuff hits the American public in the face, they recoil and it flips and you get this kind of massive support for immigration. You get yard signs in suburbs all over the country. Then under Biden, you have millions of people because you got these 2020 kind of shutdown of the border because of COVID. And so you've got all this pent up kind of pressure on the border that gets lifted at the same time Biden comes in, millions of people coming across the border and opinion flips back again. Yeah. I think that's really what changed everything because it was a massive change in the status quo and it was a particular... It was a material change. It was a genuine change, which I think a lot of people ignore.

Right. And it's true throughout history. You'd have periods of American history where you'd have massive inflows of immigration and then you'd have a reaction to that and have it shut down for a long time. Then you'd have loosening up again. So maybe things are moving faster now. If Trump overplays his hand, the public has shown a willingness to, you know, pivot on a dime on this issue. No, I think that's very true. That's part of the reason why I do think that they are risking it with some of these, because if it's seen as overzealous,

militarized, one that is extreme relative to where things are. I have no idea where things are going to fall, because I also think the appetite for a lot of people of crushing protests is pretty high. Let's go and put this A8 up there on the screen. This is an interesting one. It kind of gets into some of the nitty gritty. Americans believe LA protests should be handled by state and local authorities. This is a YouGov poll. It just literally came out yesterday. Who do you think should be the lead in responding to protests? 56% say state and local, 25% say the federal government, 19% say not sure. It's a little hard to parse some of these. Yeah, go ahead. Interesting question where the parties are very much divided. Yes. Because the only people in

the country who believe by a significant margin that the federal government should take the lead are Republicans. Even independents by 56 to 20 here say it should be state and federal. Obviously, you know, overwhelming majority of Democrats believe that. So it's this situation where Republicans are in the vast minority on the question, but within the Republican base. Well, that's this question. That's their position. That's kind of what I don't want to move away from. Do you approve or disapprove of the protests? 36% approve, 45% disapprove, not sure is 19%. So that's one where, I mean, I think these people should really take notice. I mean, this, by the way, BLM was more popular at its initial outbreak than this is.

And if you really look at some of this, here you have right now, things are all over the place. For example, do you believe the protests in Los Angeles against ICE are, quote, mostly peaceful, 38%, mostly violent, 36, 26, not sure. So the more media that plays of violence, like that's largely what's going to inform a lot of this. I also, again, want to give a multifaceted picture. Do you approve or disapprove the Trump administration's handling of deportations? 39% approve, 50% disapprove. So there's a lot of movement, you know, within this. And that's why, you know, it's funny because I see so much of this happen right now where people who speak out against like the Trump administration specific action are criticized as, you know, interlope, whatever. But it's like, guys, the public does

pay attention to process. I get it. It's annoying. It's nitpicky or whatever. But, you know, if anything, if you're, quote, on the team, paying attention to process really matters, especially for something like this, because you can see you actually have a net positive issue and then a net negative in terms of how the way that you are handling it. And that's why I think that this Marine deployment in particular, I mean, also, who knows how long this is going to stay. One of the worst things about the Jan 6 thing, there were National Guardsmen in our streets here, this Marine deployment in particular. I mean, also, who knows how long this is going to stay. One of the worst things about the Jan 6th thing, there were National Guardsmen in our streets here, Ryan,

for what, four months? When did that fence come down at the Capitol? It took months. By the way, I mean, that's crazy. The United States Capitol is one of the most accessible places in America, which I think is great. I thought it was never coming down. I thought so, too. I mean, one of the cool things about the Capitol

is constituents can just walk in there and, like, heckle their member of Congress. I encourage people to do it. It's really fun to watch, actually. But that just stopped overnight. Of up to the White House fence. Now, not going to happen. Lafayette Park, I think maybe in the last two years, people have been able to go. During BLM, it was basically just shut down for like three years, which I think is nuts. I think it's bad. These are like the nations, monuments, capitals, et cetera. And now here we have in Los Angeles, it's like, okay, so they're being sent there. As you and I know, it takes months, maybe even years for people to be sent back. You want an active duty U.S. Marine, you know, occupation or whatever around the federal building. Liberation.

But it sounds sex for them, too. You know, what? They already used Liberation Day. They don't want to live in downtown Los Angeles. It's a shithole compared to 29 Palms. Although apparently they don't like it there either because it's too hot. So whatever. I don't know.

When I moved to this city, you can actually drive along Pennsylvania Avenue. Oh, that was pre-9-11, right? Yeah. I've seen videos of that. I've never seen it before. It was wild. Yeah, you're just sitting in traffic. It's like if you watch really old episodes of the West Wing from like 1999, you'll see a car.

You're like, wait, you could drive in front of the White House? You're like, that's crazy. When they shut it down, the whole city was like, that's a major thoroughfare. That's how we get across the city. How are you going to shut down Pennsylvania Avenue? See, I don't even remember what post-pre-9-11 Washington, D.C. was like. It was the golden age. It certainly was. Okay. So that's with polling. We don't... And last point on this, I think this will be as interesting as a trivia question

a year from now. Like what was the polling like at the beginning of this? Because we have no idea where this is headed. We truly don't. And that's another thing. And that's another thing. And that's going to change everything. Well, that's another question, too, around how the protesters themselves handle this in Los Angeles. Because if you continue to see more looting or more Mexican flags and or, you know, Waymo's

being, although I believe Waymo's been shut down now, or, you know, General Light burning, you're going to see net approval. But if you just see these permanent drone helicopter shots, you know, and it doesn't even seem like it's particularly bad, I think public opinion could sway pretty quickly. And it is a big question, too, about how the rest of the nation will respond. As of yet, have not seen much. No, there's nothing big going on in New York. Nothing big going on. I mean, there's little pockets. You see a few things, San Francisco, Dallas. These are a few hundred people.

These are not, you know, 10, 20, even 10, 20,000, like, let alone the millions that we originally saw back in 2020. Right. I mean, you know, we talked earlier about the disorganized nature of this, and I elevated that. But it is worth underlining that they did arrest the head of the SEIU in California. You know what? I'm not that familiar with it. Can you lay out exactly what happened? Because I know that that had happened, but I have not read. So it was like four days ago or so. It was David Huerta. I don't know if he's related to Dolores Huerta, who's a legendary kind of civil rights and immigration rights figure, labor organizer.

So he's the head of the SEIU in California. And they were protesting a bunch of arrests and detentions of people in this basement of this federal building, people who were being kept for many hours in pitch dark, being given very little food and water over that period of time, just treated absolutely horribly. And so there were very small protests around this, partly organized by SEIU in defense of their comrades. And they arrested the head of the state chapter of the SEIU. And then a bunch of people came out. So you can call that organized in the sense it's literally organized labor. Because this is an organized group of people who are like, they arrested Huerta. They did what? Not because he's here illegally, using that kind of almost a loophole. What's the charge? The charge would be obstructing like, you know,

a lawful like immigration arrest or something. But I call it a loophole because if you're protesting the general policy of like the treatment of immigrants and a cop is like, move out of the way, you're like, no, I'm sitting here protesting. You can arrest them for civil disobedience. Normally, and that's, you. And that's typically how this goes, a little misdemeanor. Instead, they're saying, aha, boom, you're trying to obstruct a federal carrying out of immigration duties. And so they arrested him for that. And they're still holding him. And so that is what really kicked off the protests. Got it. Have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.

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