Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 6/2/26: Dave Rubin Humiliated On Jubilee, California Gov Showdown, LA Mayors Race

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

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and we hope to see you at breaking points.com. Turning now to Dave Rubin, he really wowed us with his intellect, with facts and logic, the Jubilee surrounded on the Iran War, Let's take a listen. Well, first off, the disastrous war, the quote-unquote disastrous war that you're talking about. You're talking about a 40-day military operation that stopped an apocalyptic regime from getting a nuclear bomb and exporting terrorism throughout the world.

We're now in a, we're now in an economic embargo of them, right? We've basically done a blockade of the strait of Hormuz. So to say it's a disastrous war, we did lose, hang on, hang on, we did lose 13 of our soldiers. And that is terrible. children. But, well, things happen in war, right? Things, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, things do happen in war. Yeah, wait, you can laugh at that. Hold on, hold on, listen. Wait, no, I, I know, if Donald Trump wanted to prevent the Islamic Republic of Iran

from obtaining a nuclear weapon, he could have just stuck with the Iran nuclear deal that he ripped up. No, no, and Iran did not, Iran did not enrich past the two, the 3.67. Hold on, hold on. Wait, they didn't enrich past the 3.67% in the JCPOA. They only got to 60% after Donald Trump left that deal. I'm impressed with your talking points. You got impressive talking points and you memorize them well. They're not correct, but I am impressed.

Okay. What is one main metric that Donald Trump has made better off since he got an office? An example would be GDP, unemployment, inflation, et cetera. Right now, first off, the big, beautiful bill was just passed last year and it's kicking in now, right?

It's kicking in now. So we are going to now see results of that. Like, even the tariffs, so let's do tariffs. Are you for or against tariffs? I'm against the universal tariff. So what's the main metric that he made better off?

What? What's the main metric that he made? made better off GDP, unemployment, inflation. Do you have any idea? Listen. I don't think you do. Hold on. So you're arguing that things economically were better under Joe Biden. At the end of his administration, absolutely.

Can you give me an example of how? Yeah, GDP growth was better off. Real median wage growth is better off. Inflation was better off the end of his administration. Unemployment was better off at the end of his administration. With the worst year of job growth in the past four years, just last year under Trump's administration, the inflation, 3.8% year over year since Trump got an office. We're seeing all of those economic indicators become worse off. Can you tell me anything that he's done to make it better off?

You say it's broken for Democrats. It sounds like it's broken right now under Trump. Have you looked at the stock market? It's worse off in terms of the growth in 2025 as compared to 2024. If you look at Zhao Jones and S&P 500. I mean, this is like a humiliation kink or something. I mean, it's unbelievable. Getting owned by a guy with a Paisley shirt.

I love it. That guy's my spirit animal. Also, Ruben missed the stat that is right in front of him. The metric that has gotten better under Trump is Trump's wealth. Yeah, that's very true. He is three times at least. He's now worth $6 billion. He was on the brink of destitution.

He's now worth $6 billion. That's an incredible turnaround for Mr. Trump. Me, like wearing a clown suit could have done a better job. I'm sure, like playing an actor could have done a better job of articulating mega vision of the war. What would you say, actually? The easy one would be the border. That's what you always go with. Oh, yeah, the border's closed.

And in a net migration, you just memorize the numbers and be like, here's what it was under Biden. Here's what it was today. Guy would shut up. He wouldn't even say anything. He'd probably bring up ice. He'd be like, okay, that's a separate story. But we're talking about the border. So even I could do that way.

Deportations to the border. Yeah, deportations is X number under Biden. And now it's under Trump. It's this, this and this. And you don't have to support that, but that's one of the best things that he's done. Come on. Like, what are we doing here? Whenever it comes to Iran, what's amazing is he also had multiple, if you hadn't seen any of these,

where he previously had done an entire mashup of it. government was going to fall and there was going to be democracy and the straight wasn't going to be closed that long and everybody had a plan and all of this and then to show up and it's just like a complete and a total humiliation but that's the thing is this is what they are reduced to they have nothing all of the wars cheerleaders have gone from this is the greatest war in history the most incredible military campaign we are winning on the ground to now they have to be put in a position where Trump, by being so desperate for the ceasefire, has proven every single one of their military prognostications wrong, as well as their political prognostication. Regime's doing well.

They're strong, actually. They still have their missile capacity. They have the drone capacity. They've established deterrence. They've closed the strait of Hormuz. Like, what they're effectively reduced to is what we talked about earlier in the show this morning with Mark Levin being like, actually, I'm the same as George Washington. And the colonists who want freedom, and that's why I continue to support the war with war. It's so crazy. It's crazy. And maybe we can put at the end of the end of this block we had in post this amazing Rubin mashup that was circulating before this. Yes. Which was... Here, wait, hold on. Let's just throw to it. Let's throw it to it. Allow me to make a prediction here in my prediction stuff. I'm not Polly Market.

I'm not Kalshi, but I'm pretty good at predictions. And my prediction here is that everything that the media is now going to say about Iran's going to close the straight of Hormuz and energy prices are going to go crazy and all these none of this is going to come to pass gas prices are coming down and will continue to come down if the united states wants to keep the straight of hormus open which it does and donald trump said we'll escort ships through if we have to it's going to stay open this is the leader of the Iranian opposition he has been in exile his name is resa palavi we have shown you videos him before he's the eldest son of the former shah of iran and he likely is the next leader of iran this is guy that by all accounts, when this war ends, will go in and he will be the leader. And again,

it will be different. Just remember, it sounds like the Kurds are starting to enter the country with arms to help the people take out the last vestiges of the IRGC. There's a lot of good things happening. This is Iranians, and you can hear they are chanting BB June, BB Netanyahu. In Iran, they are chanting praise for Benjamin Netanyahu. And when you take out Kamani and you take out his number two and his number three and his number four and his number 37 and his number 42, then suddenly the next guy's going, it's a little hot in here. And then people start behaving a little bit differently. They've plotted this war, this extraordinary war that will be studied for decades, right?

For decades they will study how this incredible. incredible war took place that we are hitting critical infrastructure. We are damaging the regime, so hopefully the people will be able to take over their countries. Now, the question is, if you're going to hit power plants and you're going to hit civilian infrastructure and things of that nature, how do you make sure it's not going to harm the people but just the regime? And when we have a department of war that is not looking for war, but will perform war, then we are going to do it at the maximum level of competency. I think, the way you can look at this. I haven't heard anyone

else say this, but this seems to me to be the war to end all wars. A lot of people were wrong about the Iran war in a lot of different ways. Nobody was wrong in every single way with so much confidence than Dave Rubin. Here's the thing, can we say this too?

Look, it's fine to be wrong. I publicly said on camera, I didn't think that Putin would invade Ukraine. I apologize for it. I was wrong. Totally wrong. A lot of my stuff, predictions or thoughts about how Trump was going to go, I was wrong. I apologize for it. on the show. That's what you have to do if you want to maintain some level of credibility. Let's see you Dave. If you're going to say publicly that things were going to be so incredible and, you know,

oh, it's all going to work out so well. We have all these plans and democracy, et cetera. And then when it falls completely flat or the opposite of what you said true, you need to reassess your beliefs, man, and you need to come clean to a certain number of people. Yeah. Give us something. Yeah. Matt Walsh real quickly. started another storm with a post, put this next up, he says pretty much all of the prominent voices who supported the Iran war assured us it would be over by now. None of them will admit they were wrong.

Even less will they admit that their initial assurances were based on nothing but their own wishcasting. This whole shit show has been an enormous waste of time and resources in our country has not benefited from it at all. Its advocates have moved the goalposts repeatedly and have even to this day refused to clearly articulate what constitutes a victory and how we'll know that it's been achieved. He's been pretty right about this.

From the beginning, Thomas Massey responded, I hope you get to keep your job after this post. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like, yes, that's true. Working for Ben Shapiro. Which is fair, by the way. It's entirely fair to say that. I mean, look, yes, he said the obvious in that. The question is going to be about it.

I'll give him that. Certainly has. I'll give it to him as well. However, there needs to be an internal forcing mechanism to force those people who did make all of those prognostications to apologize, to be contrite, and to say, look, every single thing you said was wrong. We can trust you in the future if you're willing to say I was wrong.

Here's why I was wrong. This is my internal thought process, this, this and this. I still wouldn't respect it because, frankly, there was a lot of evidence at the time, but whatever. At the very least, it's a step in the right direction. This is nothing. Like, they're still claiming, like, what did he say? He's like, you got your talking points memorized.

Every single thing that kids said was just a fact. Like, it wasn't even the talking point. The talking point was about how incredible the war has gone, even though it is like, it's just, I mean, every, even the honest neocons, like Bob Kagan are like greatest strategic defeat in military history. It's over. Checkmate. It's done. And what we know is that 20 years from now, those same people will be urging us into another war.

Somewhere, probably in the Middle East, but who knows where. No, Turkey, remember? Oh, yeah, Turkey is next. The meme is them, the meme that was circulating was them on their deathbeds saying, yes, we were right about the war with Iran, but we have got to deal with the Islamic Republic of Turkey. So, yeah, that's where we go. Okay, let's get to David Day and he's standing by. Pride is like love.

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Thank you. How's going? Good to see, man. Lovely weather, right? We're treating you like a California here. Doing all right. Yeah. He's got no tie on, very California. Very California.

We can allow it for a California. Ties are a construct. That's true. All right, so we've got the L.A. mayor's rates. We've got the California governor's race. You've got a bunch of interesting House races among Democrats. Sagan and how we're just talking about how it's interesting. There are virtually no Republican races.

House Republican races. One, there's a member-on-member race in an empire. Because they got forced together with the redistricting. And King Calvert. Got it. All right. So let's start with the gubernatorial race. So how is it shaking out, as you understand?

Like, Tom Steyer, like has he consolidated enough kind of progressive energy that let's put the poll up there yeah i mean i think before the weekend the the the thought was okay steyer's probably going to come up short and it would be a basera hilton general election right so that's what this fits with right here from the rCP average but this is the last average of the last but the more recent the polls are the more they have steyer catching hilton interesting so that you know puts forward the possibility of a baserra styre general election, which would be pretty interesting. Okay, so let's talk then about that.

So Becerra, obviously, he was what he was HHS under Biden, kind of a California machine politician. In terms of how we know him here, it was for this viral moment where he was doing an interview and he didn't want to be interviewed. So let's take a listen and we'll get your reaction. This is the start of our interview with Javier Bissetta in Highland Park. By the way, this is a profile piece. This is not a gotcha piece, right?

Well, look, I think these questions are fair. It's in order to learn about you as a candidate. The line is about the profile. I don't know how you define profile, but I'd like to begin the interview. The way I describe profile is you talk about all the things that I've done, things I want to do, and along with some tough questions, but not only tough questions. This is a man who has been in professional politics his entire life. I just want to lay out the same ground rules.

for this. Oh, okay. Yeah, okay. This is a profile. Right. Okay. Okay. I mean, look, I don't think this stuff matters. You were just talking to you and I before. A lot of people in California, there's not as much of a political culture you're saying, well, particularly in Los Angeles. But I mean, it's got to have some impact, at least for, you know, among the activist base for people who are paying attention, right? It's been a really nutty race. So this is the first time in 20 years that we've entered a gubernatorial election without an establishment frontrunner candidate from the get-go. Okay. And, you know, we had Jerry Brown, then you had Gavin Newsom.

And that's sort of been this sort of line of succession that we've had in California. When this race started, there was no, everyone was waiting on Kamala Harris. Is she going to run? She ends up saying no. Eleni Kunalakis, who was the lieutenant governor and, you know, Sion of a rich family. they thought maybe she would be the heir apparent. She was getting absolutely no traction in the governor poll. She moved to run for state treasurer.

They tried to dragoon Alex Padilla in the race. That didn't work out. He didn't come in. So there was just this emptiness in terms of usually this is a very machine. You mentioned machine. It's like a machine state. They just, they, they anoint somebody. Finally, the consultant class around Newsom, around Brown, they moved to,

Eric Swalwell, and that didn't work out. And then almost the day after Eric Swalwell implodes, many of those consultants say, hey, how about Javier Brouser? He was in the race. He was kind of languishing at 4%, 5% in the polls. And they just run to him. And so they're trying to recreate this sort of establishment,

you know, eat your peas kind of philosophy. But with someone who obviously is, is not a very articulate spokesman for the Democratic cause. He's got zero juice. Yeah. So we had this weird story of you saw all of a sudden, as Swalwell drops out, this massive kind of social media campaign to say it's Bacera now. I definitely saw it.

Did you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I noticed that in real time being extremely inorganic. And it now appears that it certainly was inorganic. Yeah. It completely vanished within a week. Like, there's no such thing as an organic, like, Basera momentum campaign that just all of a sudden,

they're like, actually, never mind. So is somebody going to go jail for this? Like, because people in Baceres orbit have, like, gone to jail, right? Well, to be, to be honest, I mean, Steyer's paying influencers. Yeah, oh, we'll get to. Don't worry. There's inorganic all the way down, right? Right, so maybe it's illegal-ish.

I mean, it's, you know, I don't think there are any rules here on the Wild West So did that really, like, did that, get people to say, okay, you know what, I guess it is Becerra? I think you can't divorce it from, frankly, the identity politics of the heart of this. California has about 40% Latino voters. And there was kind of this dust up that happened in March that almost prefigures this is when Swalwell's still in the race. They said, okay, there was a USC debate.

And they said, we're going to take the top vote. You know, people top in the polls and top in fundraising, and they're going to run. And it was all the white people. And everyone who was shut out of that race was Asian, African American, or Latino. And that race, that debate ends up getting canceled. And so when Becerra kind of gets anointed, I think there's this sense that, okay, you know, we're better than having just a bunch of white people that are in the mix here. We've got this white Hispanic guy.

We've got this other guy. Yeah, exactly. So I do think there's an identity aspect to this. Okay, that's well said. All right, let's get to our own Griffin, our producer, confronted Tom Steyer over the paid influencers. Let's get to it. I think people have a problem with billionaires because they feel like that wealth should

be redistributed elsewhere, but also because people feel like billionaires are a threat to our democracy. Now, some of your opponents, have accused you of paying for influencer campaigns, paying influencers to promote your campaign. Are you paying influencers? We have never paid for an endorsement. We pay people for their time,

their small business people. They can put up whatever they want, but we have... Has any of it been negative? I don't read it. I don't follow it, honestly. Look, and it could be, and that's not the problem.

This is, we do this, and so does everybody else. It's just we do it openly and we report everything. And so the Becerra campaign, which has been running from answering questions from people like you who've been running not to talk to reporters,

not to answer questions from Californians, is saying, oh, you know, they're trying to change the subject. The topic in California is the people of California and why it's not working for the people of California when the state as a whole is killing it. That is the question, and they're scared to talk about that.

So you don't think if someone accepts of money from the campaign that they would pull questions, do softball interviews. Obviously, they'd do positive content about you. Look, they can do whatever they want, but we're not paying anyone for endorsements or outcomes. But couldn't there be a bad billionaire that comes along and floods the race with influencers that are getting money from the campaign? Isn't that a dangerous precedent?

Well, let me put it this way. There have been billionaires who've run in California before, and they've always lost. There you go. That's our argument. I don't get used a lot. Yeah. Yeah. He did a good job.

Griffin, he held his feet to the fire. Steyer's like, well, you know, we don't pay for the endorsement. We just pay a lot of money. And then they happen to endorse us. Yeah. He's not wrong. Everybody does it. It's, yeah, I mean, certainly that was kind of a ridiculous conversation.

But, I mean, the kernel of truth is that Pissera doesn't really hold a lot of meetings with folks. And Steyer actually started this campaign by doing a ton of town halls. I've been to a few of them. And they are, to my knowledge, completely unscripted. In fact, I know it because I know people that ask questions. And he answers an hour and a half of questions off the top of his head. So Steyer is, you know, he has afforded the ability to try to run a retail politics in California because he has $200 million back in. He doesn't have to do that.

Exactly. Right. So, yeah. The other insidious. part of this is that what he's saying there and what people understand is that he's like, no, no, I'm not telling them what to say. I'm hiring people, unspoken part, who are already saying nice things about me to continue to say nice things about me. And what, and that's the insidious part, is that it then encourages countless influencers besides the ones that he has hired

to just voluntarily say nice things about Steyer with a pick me, like come pay me, like, come, please pay me, and I'll keep doing this. Right. So the whole thing's gross. But so let's talk about Steve Hilton for a second. So he's the Republican who's hoping, oh, wait. Yes, Steve Hilton. So he's hoping that he's going to, like, crack into the top two here.

Right. He's got this Chad Bianco opponent who's trailing him. Let's roll this clip from Steve Hilton, kind of encouraging Bianco supporters to get behind him. It's a very, very tight race. Three people competing for two spots in the general election. Myself, Javier Bissera and Tom Steyer. Tom Steyer is catching up. There is absolutely no guarantee that we're going to get a Republican in the top two.

In fact, it's now looking more and more likely that we'll have two Democrats in the top two. I know that many Republicans were holding on to the hope that we might have two Republicans in the top two, myself and Chad, And then we're guaranteed change in California. But if that was ever possible, it's certainly not possible today. You just have to look at the math. This is not personal. It's not about me or Chad or our qualities or our record or anything like that.

It's about the future of California. And if we don't get a Republican in the top two, we have no chance for change. So this is because of the jungle primary system. Bianco's got about 10% as we showed a little bit earlier, if that were combined with Hilton, then he would be the winner, or at least, you know, he'd get to the top two. Right.

And, you know, there was a lot of fear from Democrats early on in this race that we would actually have two Republicans because you have pretty much eight viable Democrats at one point that were running and two viable Republicans, and you do the math, and if it was an even split among the Republicans,

it would be hard for Democrats to, unless they consolidate the field on their own. But when Trump endorsed the, that was the end of the race for the Republicans essentially. Trump endorses Steve Hilton. Bianco falls down and now there's no way to box out the Democrats. Got it. And at that point, it was, you know, I mean, Steve Hilton's talking about, I think it is important for other reasons that, you know, from a Republican perspective, they get in the top two.

There's a billionaire tax on the ballot in November. And that's going to be bad for turnout. turnout. There are a lot of contested seats in the House in November. That's going to be bad for them. They have no standard bear at the top of the ticket. That is a very important point is that they'll have even less incentive to come up to vote if there's not a single Republican. That's right. In the top two. Absolutely. And so it is important from that perspective for the, for the party. But there's no way that Steve Hilton wins a one-on-one matchup against Becerra. It's like a piss of death. So why hasn't Bianco dropped out?

and endorsed Hilton. What's going on? I mean, Bianco's kind of in his own world. And he's not going to. Like today's election day. Well, and the thing is, there, you know, even if you dropped out now, he'd still be on the ballot. Right. There are 61 gubernatorial candidates on the ballot.

It runs over two pages of the ballot. One of the sort of hidden things here, I think, is there's going to be a lot of ballot spoilation. What does that mean? It means that people are either going to vote for nobody because they can't find their candidate among the 61 or they're on two pages. So like, oh, I'll vote for one here and I'll vote for one over here. And there's going to be undervotes and there's going to be overvotes and there's going to be a lot of ballots thrown out. Wow. And the other thing that you're going to see as the numbers come in is Democrats held their ballots to a degree that was fairly unprecedented in a Democratic

apologists. Everybody gets a ballot from the state by mail at the beginning of the cycle 30 days ago. Typically, they come back, some come back early, some come back later. What we see, because we can track this, Democrats were not turning back their ballots because they wanted to wait to see where the polls were, who people were going towards, because Democrats were still scared about a top two that locked out Democrats that would be Republican Republican general election. And you can't do

a right-in ballot, by the way, under the top two system. So they were waiting to see what was going to happen. And in the last weekend, twice as many ballots as in the previous 25 days were sent in. Wow. It's now tracking higher than the 2022 election, higher than the 2018 election, which was a contested, given a notorial primary at the top. So now we're starting to see. But however, the way the votes are going to be counted, we're going to count all those ballots that came in earlier, which were disproportionately Republican. So on at as votes, some of them before Trump's endorsement? Some, no, not. They actually aren't. But so when the polls close tonight, Hilton's going to be the lead. Got it. But how long are we, how long is it going to take?

Weeks. Ridiculous. Okay, can we get it? Why does this take so? They're trying to streamline it, but, well, I mean, actually, it's a very interesting thing because the Supreme Court kind of changed the game on this. It used to be that your ballot had to be postmarked by election day, and it would count. So some of those ballots come in five days, six days, seven days, ten days later,

and you've got to count them. Now the Supreme Court ruled that actually the ballot has to show up on election day. There's a lot of chatter among, in my circles, among Democrats, you actually have to send, you can't send your ballot through the mail after a week ago. Send it to the vote center, send it to the ballot, like go to the ballot box and then physically drop it in. So I think there's also going to be a lot of people who didn't learn that and their ballot isn't going to count.

So there's like a lot of weird factors in this race. What do you think this is bullish for? If you, if you, like, bullish for the last week. That's a good question. I mean, I think lower information voters who don't know where to find their guy on the ballot, who don't sort of follow directions very well, and they're like marking multiple ballots, or who don't understand like you could drop it in the mail and it just doesn't show up and you don't get counted. I don't know who that favors necessarily.

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I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,

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You can have. like a strong stance. And then there's your body having its own program. I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist and hosts of the podcast, a slight change of plans, a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans. We share stories and scientific insights to help us all better navigate these periods of turbulence and transformation. There is one finding that is consistent, and that is that our resilience

rests on our relationships. I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change. We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. Listen to a slight change of plans on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I wanted to get your sense on a couple of the California House races. First of all, for people who don't know, New Jersey, Adam Hamaway versus Sue Altman. That's kind of the biggest kind of house race being watched. We'll actually know that one.

Yeah, Montana. Forsteg. Forsteg has AOC's endorsement, but probably splits the progressive vote and loses, right? It's going to be interesting. Put up E7 here. We have a whole bunch of different races. House races. You've got San Francisco.

You got Shorikot Chakabardi, Scott Weiner, and Connie Chan. Yeah. quickly on that one, how do you see that one? Well, I was up. AOC's former chief of staff. Connie Chan is progressive, but has Nancy Pelosi's endorsement, shifts endorsement. And so people like, I went up there and actually talked all three of them for a piece I did a few weeks ago. That was at a time when Chan was hoping that labor was going to drag her across the finish line.

line to get in the second place. She was being massively outspent. I think Chakrabrotty has put 10 million. I think it was on money. And Wiener has about 4 million plus a lot of Super PAC support. But in the last few weeks, when Pelosi endorsed, that was a signal, right? You guys can come in. And she's gotten, you've reported on some of the Super PAC help that she's gotten. I think it's more that there's San Francisco's a city of neighborhoods and she, you know, is big in the Richmond, that's sort of more working class, somewhat more conservative, even though she's running as a progressive and Asian American, heavily Asian American. It's hard to pull. So I, she's kind of been neck and neck with Chaccarbarati for second place. Everyone believes Wiener's going to get to the

runoff. I think she has actually a pretty good shot of getting in the second. Yeah, I think so too. And And we reported over the weekend that one of these super PACs backing her, that network, had gotten APEC money. Right. And it's created this big controversy. It's not just her race. There are actually three races in California that have gotten money from the EDW fund. Is the other one Randy Villegas? One of them is Randy where Jasmine Baines.

So this is a really interesting race because there are only three people on the ballot. So two of those three are getting in. One is the incumbent David Valdeo. This is a swing. seat, but it's a weird swing seat. It's not a swing seat. Like Baker's Field, right? Yes, it's Central Valley. It's one of the poorest seats in the entire country. It's one of the highest concentrations of Medicaid in the entire country. Valdeo famously voted, said he would not vote for Medicaid cuts and then did vote for Medicaid cuts. So he's in huge trouble in this race. And it's

73% Hispanic. Democrats have never run a Hispanic candidate in the race, which is crazy, right? They love identity politics. What's their except here? So Viegis is one, but he's progressive populace, endorsed by Bernie. So identity politics, unless you're a populist. Right. Yeah.

And Jasmine Baines is an Indian American. She's a conservative member of the State Assembly. She's voted in, she voted against Prop 50, which is crazy. She voted against, you know, the offset of the Texas gerrymander. But she also is voted. substantively, in a host of ways, with corporate interests. She actually has received corporate PAC money from 53 of the same PACs that Valdeo has received corporate bag money from.

And so this is a real... And has the support of Washington Democrats, like the D-T-C. D-T-C came in, put her on the red-to-blue program. That incensed locals in the district who actually had been, you know, sort of the local Democratic clubs and stuff, had been on Vegas's side. So this is a real sole party race. I think it's one of the most interesting races on the ballot. Who can win in a swing seat, but a very particular kind of swing seat?

Is it a progressive populace who can grow the base and who can speak to the actual depravity that is going on in the district? Or is it the usual, find a moderate, find a corporate Democrat. And this is the fascinating race where Jasmy Baines had said that Israel was committing a genocide. in Gaza, and then the D-T-T-Tri-C and Democratic majority of Bris will come in to support her, and she's like, oh, I misheard the question. I don't mean that. Did I say genocide? Yeah, I forgot.

It's not as if she doesn't know what a genocide is. She, right, famously sponsored a resolution in California declaring the massacre of like 30 to 50,000 Sikhs in India to be a genocide. Right. Yeah. So that's a genocide. Right. Interesting. But multiples of that.

Then we've got Amar Kampanajar. He'd probably... This is... So this race, I have some connection to it because I spend part of my year in Palm Springs. And in Prop 50, they changed the district. So this was Darryl Isis district. It was based in San Diego. So in the gerrymander, they took a little sliver and went up to Palm Springs and made that part of the district, which is a Democratic vote sink.

So I was there in the last week, and I saw no evidence that there was an election going on. All of the candidates are from the San Diego part of the district. The Democrats, I was at multiple events where, you know, people who are Democrats are all over the place, and a Democrat should be there to try to get votes in the last week before the election. And no one was there, and nothing was involved. The only person, you know, is about half dozen Democrats running. The only one with any connection to Palm Springs, his only previous race was for lieutenant governor of Vermont. So not much connection to the Democratic part of the district.

And, you know, Kampinajar, it's kind of a comical story. Every two years he runs in a different way. He's the boyfriend of Sarah Jacobs. Sarah Jacobs' family, heir to the Qualcomm fortune, has put together a huge, Super PAC on his behalf. That's very nice. They're not even married in their back. There is a very strong possibility that the top two Republicans that we are fear,

that, you know, Democrats are fearing in the gubernatorial race, that that happens in this race. There are two Republicans running and about seven or eight Democrats. And this is one of the five seats that under Prop 50, Democrats thought they were going to pick up. And when ICE had dropped out, they thought even more so. But Democrats found, or Republicans found a viable alternative, a city counselor from or a board of county supervisor in San Diego named Jim Desmond. And he's going to be a tough out even if a Democrat makes the top two. And then, you know, there's this dynamic where they might actually split the vote and not succeed. Pride is like love. You feel it in your heart.

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Or listen now at iHeartRadio.ca. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own. own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.

And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Keith Gianmanca seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad, but secretly, he became someone else.

a master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy. But I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong and what that might look like? No, I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success.

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All right, let's do this all quickly. We can start with some of the closing ads from the major candidates. Here we've got Spencer Pratt, the online sensation. Let's take a listen. I want to speak to those of you who are considering voting for Nithia Rahman, but haven't yet. Obviously, you and I are in the same place. We all agree that Karen Bass has failed the city as mayor, and we need change. Because Karen Bass is not doing.

And for a moment, you thought Nithia would be an alternative, but since she collapsed at the debate. I don't... I'm not sure how to respond. And she's run a very weak campaign. She's doing live streams with the hateful, radical anti-Semite, Hassan Piker, who believes we deserve 9-11. You've accepted the reality that she's not going to advance past the runoff. At this point, voting for Nithia is a wasted vote.

It's me versus Karen. It's change versus more of the same. More homeless drug addicts in front of your schools. More animals being tortured and killed on the streets and in her city shelters. More empty reservoirs when the wildfires hit. more potholes, more of your favorite restaurants going out of business, no new housing getting built. You can either vote for me to change all that insanity,

or you can see Karen Bass visit more destruction on our city, and you can watch your social group erode as your friends move to Nashville or Miami or Austin. It's no longer a question about me or Nithia or Karen. Nithia has no path to victory now. She talks about the city being broken, but she's been in city leadership for six years and failed to do anything. She is incredibly unpopular in her own district. She's not managed to accomplish anything in city council.

And she's been the chair of the homelessness and housing committee for years. She's literally the one in charge of homelessness in L.A. How's she doing, folks, look around. All of us know Nithia doesn't have it in her. Interesting, you know, Spencer Pratt there basically trying to pitch to the leftists who would support Nitya Raman, but also going after Hassan Piker, not really the strategy I would go with for the DSA crowd. To try to get on the street. Yeah, no, exactly.

He should be like, you know, just don't vote for us, and this is a message for that. So, I mean, what do you make? You know, you live in the area, the Pratt phenomenon, which you're saying is entirely online. I'm inclined to believe you, but tell us about it. I feel it's a pretty online phenomenon. I mean, I think that Californians or Los Angeles are definitely dissatisfied with Karen Bass. and when the race was setting up, it looked like nobody sort of viable was going to challenge her.

Pratt has sort of leveraged the online stuff. And Raman was not expected to run. She actually, it was a surprise run at the very last minute about, you know, an hour before the registration closed. Wow. She comes in and decides to run. And she's, you know, she was the first, candidate of DSA to win a city council district.

She beats a sort of middle of the road guy in that district. But she is sort of broken with DSA on certain issues, particularly around housing, but other issues as well. Interesting. And she didn't get their endorsement that they, I think DSA said they recommend her. There is actually a DSA member who is running, a woman named Ray Huang. Yeah. who uh rahman has uh you know sort of behind the scenes been trying to push out of the race she's asked her to get out of the race um so she's refusing to do so yeah no wrong is still in the race um so

uh i i feel like strategically uh there are a lot of democrats thinking okay bass you know is an incumbent she's she's damaged goods but she's probably going to get into the runoff so i'm sitting here my choices are either Spencer Pratt or Nithia Rahman, so we can have the conversation of who would be better for California and Los Angeles later, and we vote for ramen there. The latest poll actually shows it almost a three-way tie. Interesting. Bass at, I think, 26, ramen at 25, and Pratt at 22.

That's the last major poll. It would be funny, strategic voting ended up pushing Bass to third. Yeah, it would be funny. with a bunch of bass supporters end up voting for Vermont. For Robin. Are there any? Could happen. Are there Republican districts that creep into L.A.?

Because if there's two Democrats on the mayor's ballot that also just diminish- Los Angeles is a big, I mean, in terms of when you're thinking about it, it's not just the city itself, but actually parts of the San Fernando Valley, which are more conservative. 30% of L.A. voter for Trump. I feel like that's totally lost in some of this discussion. They're like, oh, my gosh, 30% support trap. I'm like, yeah, there's Republicans in Los Angeles. It's not 100%.

Particularly, I mean, when you talk about the San Fernando Valley, it's like basically suburban. Right. So that area, you do have pockets of Republican support. That makes sense. So if two Dems make the L.A runoff, that's like, like, and also two Dems in the gubernatorial. That's even more so for, particularly for the billionaire tax in particular. That would be a major factor. Oh, that's fascinating.

And it could very well happen. I mean, you know, I think there's a perspective when you think about national politics that, you know, this race, I've seen it compared to the New York City mayor's race. Like you have an Indian American, you know, Democratic socialists going up against an ossified kind of leader who hasn't been very effective. That's not how it's playing out. If there were any zoron of the race, it would be Spencer. However, but yeah, I mean, I would in terms of his ability, I agree with that, national profile. In terms of his ability to get attention and things like, Rahman has run, you know, she wasn't well known, particularly to the very Democratic communities on the West Side. She's from Hollywood area.

And she's run a fairly dispirited race. Like, I haven't seen a big groundswell support. I've seen more of that groundswell in specific city council races. where DSA is going up against incumbents, rather than with the mayor's rates itself. We have some of her last pitch. Let's take a listen. This city is a beacon of hope and opportunity

for so many around the world. But today, Angelinos are losing hope. High housing costs, job loss, tens of thousands of people living on the streets, the terror of ice, and a complete lack of preparation for emergencies. We have a mayor who has failed to leave this city. And on the other hand,

A right-wing extremist powered by MAGA is channeling people's frustrations about this city into fear and anger and hatred. They're relying on your indifference. We can bring L.A. back to what it really is. One of the most creative, most beautiful, most hopeful places in the world, but only if we come together and fight for it.

Every single vote matters on June 2nd. Because this city's future is absolutely worth fighting for. And I know, I know, We can build that future together. Why would they zoom out on that crowd? It's like the smallest crowd. 50 people can't be wrong. All right.

I mean, in terms of what I'm looking at right now, odds, et cetera, it does look like it might be Pratt or is a Pratt bass, but you seem to think that there's a decent enough shot of her advancing. I think there's a decent shot that she advances. It's a difficult race. I mean, I think Los Angeles is going through problems that. are beyond the political system. Like Hollywood collapsing?

Yeah, this is an industry town where the industry is gone. It's basically a Rust Belt community. If you think about it in that sense. But like in an ongoing sense. Yeah, I mean, I know so many people. I came from doing TV production. I know so many people have just left

or gotten into another job. Then why is your real estate market keep going on? Yeah. It's a different issue. Yeah. I mean, there's still a sort of storehouse of wealth, but there isn't the sort of middle-class wealth that came not just from Hollywood, but also from aerospace, which those factories have closed to.

I mean, that's more historical and goes back 40, 50, 60 years. But more recently, runaway production and sort of the end of Peak TV has made it really difficult for Los Angeles to maintain. Homeless population is actually down in Bass's four-year term, but the Palisades fire has has been become this huge avatar for her. And the inability to rebuild after that has been really debilitating. I mean, it's fair. I think it's fair.

It's definitely a fair. Last thing here, closing message from Karen Bash, if she was doing an interview, let's take a listen. Well, I think for the undecided voters to understand that they have a choice to me. And that choice is a reality TV villain? Really? How did that work for us on a national level?

That's one choice. The other choice is a city council. person who's been in city hall twice as long as I have. To me, that's one of the most important issues in our city is people feeling safe. You can't feel safe that there's an encampment there. It's not safe for the people in the encampment, and it's not safe for the people around. How do you do business? Yeah, a little Prattian rhetoric there. I don't really, I mean, I don't know what's going on with this whole thing, but look, I don't get it, David. It looks like she's going to win. I think there's a through line with Bass and Bacera.

actually, and it's a certain style of political leadership that you see in California that they don't get really tested in very many races. They're kind of anointed. They're moved through the system. And, you know, not having being effective is not a hindrance to moving up through the institution. It's a classic machine problem. That's a real problem, I think, in California politics. why I think you're seeing most Democrats, I think, just sort of underwhelmed by the choices in front of them and really despairing of what they have to deal with. Now, I would say that Steyer is actually speaking to some of the real issues in the state. He's talking about Prop 13 and how that has created this historical underfunding problem, particularly for local communities. So he's talking about changing the commercial property valuations.

He's talking about health care becoming too expensive and needing to move to a single-payer system. He's talking about some of the things that historically, I think, would help Democrats actually move into a better place. But, yeah, I think there's a larger problem in California where, you know, not knowing anything is not a development. that is going to be a problem for you in politics. And that's, I think, the larger thing that we're going to see play out today. People talk about breaking up California just to get some extra senators. Break it up because it's kind of a failed experiment. Start over. Break it up.

I like it. I like it, Ryan. I like this idea. I mean, it's sad because you have the master plan of education. You have real advances in the environmental sector and renewing. energy, you have the fact of non-compete agreements creating a burgeoning amount of innovation from Silicon Valley. There are the elements here for really an incredible continuing series of innovation and change and a sort of way in which California can lead the way. It's just its political system is kind of inert.

Sad. Very sad, even though it is the most bit, in my opinion, the most beautiful state. Quite beautiful. All right. Thank you so much, David, for joining us. We appreciate your time, man. It really, really, great to do a deep dive into all this. We have a big audience in California, so they'll be happy that we finally spend a lot of time on it.

Thanks, man. Appreciate your time. Thanks. Thank you very much, Ryan. Appreciate you, man. Dave. And you, Dave, who's still here. We were pretending that he's not, but it's okay.

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