Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 7/1/26: Corporate Dems Defeated In CO, Justice Alito Retirement Leak, Congress MKUltra Testimony

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

Ryan and Emily discuss corporate Dems defeated in CO, Samuel Alito leaked retirement announcement, Congress explodes over MKUltra.   Juan David Rojas: https://substack.com/@rojasrjuand Shalin Bhatt: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/42249196/      To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.com    Merch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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go ahead and head over to breakingpoints.com. Let's get into the show. We'll start with the big socialist takeover in Colorado, Ryan. Yeah, so Melat Kiroos, who you saw this week on breaking points, ended up trouncing Diana DeGette, who has been in Congress so long that some of her defenders were reminding us last night that, hey, she's not so bad she voted against the Iraq war. It's like, well, good for her.

That's huge. But what has she done since then? And also, let me just make one quick point. That was an easy vote. Like, for a Democrat in a deep blue seat, as a House member, it was actually easy to vote against the Iraq work. Do not rewrite this. Was it the AMF that she voted against?

She voted again. Yeah, basically whatever the 2002 vote was to authorize the invasion of Iraq. And something like a third of Democrats did vote with Bush and give him support. But that was, these were a lot of swing district Democrats. Hillary Clinton. There were marches, Hillary Clinton, there were marches across the world at the time, across the United States, it was obvious voting against the Iraq war, was the right thing to do for a Democrat. Why are we wasting time talking about this? Maylock Heroes, despite millions of dollars

spent in the last couple of weeks to support to get. And that tells you kind of what her record, what her real record was in Congress. It's like, yes, she's in the Congressional Progressive Caucus. She's a good liberal. She voted the right way on the Iraq war. But if APEC and, you know, corporate interests come in at the end of your race with millions of dollars to defend you, that tells you everything about where they think your position is in the political ecosystem. And it is an ally of theirs. That viral video of Diana to get from several months ago was absolutely brutal. Right, where she was, she's asked about the black, the back, the block the bombs act.

Yeah. And she's saying that she doesn't like the legislation and eventually gets really upset. Chase is the activist. Yeah, if that's the only thing you care about, then don't vote for me. And the woman's like, I don't know, walks away to get like chases her through the coffee shop or whatever. It's desperate, yeah. It's very, very strange. And she ended up getting beaten by more than 10 points.

All the votes aren't counted yet. But it's not even going to be close in the end. Malad is going to wind up with more than 50% of the vote. And that DeGette's going to be down around in the low. 40s. Let's roll A to B. Here's Melek Heroes from her victory party. I want to tell you something about why this campaign matters because it matters for what comes next. When I wrote a letter defending students' rights to protest the genocide in Gaza, my law firm, my law firm told me, take it down or you're fired. I didn't flinch because I stood by

every word and I always will. It will not be the only moment where those in power will tell me to change my tune, to not rock the boat. That seems to happen a lot in Congress. But here in Denver, we stand by our values and we stand with our community. First of all, why do we not have one of those horns here on this show? We're a morning show. The Vizela?

Without the Voozella, without the horn. We come on. We got it. even what it is, I don't know. We got to have one. We need one of those. We don't do enough Kathy Lee and Hoda just to begin with. That's like the energy we need to be bringing in more. We need more of that. Yeah. So this was another W for the political powerhouse. You can put up A3, Ms. Rachel, who had endorsed a lot. It's also a win for Justice Democrats, which has been on its biggest winning streak, the biggest romp since its founding. Like this is,

they're blowing away their transformational year of 2018, what they're able to do now. Maylott also had the support of Denver DSA and the national DSA. And also, Hassan Piker, there's a cool video that's that from the stream that, from Hassan stream that will play for you in a second. You're going to see in it Chris Rab, who was the DSA-backed, Justice Democrats-backed candidate in Philadelphia who traveled to Denver to, try to recruit voters for Maylotte. You've got Hassan Piker and then we've got Linda Sarser, the New York activist. And they talk a voter into getting to the polls

and actually getting three of her family to the polls over data centers. Let's roll A2C. What do you guys think about the data center that just popped up over here? We hate it. Yeah, that right. All right.

All right. All right. All right, listen. So I did to get this representative's district for 30 years in Congress. is saying nothing about the data centers because she's in the pocket of big corporations. Malak Kuros, on the other hand, is going to fight back on the data center more term.

She got endorsed by Bernie Sanders too. They want to put a stop to these data centers being propped up left and right. You guys are stuck between a factory, curina factory and a data center in between, and that's not good for these little guys back there. It's literally poor. This district's poison.

You only have until 7 o'clock to vote. So if you don't have, do you have a ballot in your house currently? Yes. I have three. You got to put it in a drop off. Oh, you got three borders in your house. Yeah. Oh, that.

Drop them off. Oh, yeah. He's one in Philly. I'm going to Congress in Philly. We just let him all the way out because you have the opportunity. Are you from New York? Huh? He's from Philly.

He's from New York. Yeah, yeah. He's close. He's close. East Coast. East Coast. Well, you have the opportunity to bring someone to, to Congress who's actually going to change things and not, you know, not be with the corporations, but be with the people. But only if you come out.

So if you got three ballots. At home, dropping him by 7 o'clock. They then talk about where her ballot drop-off location is, and they figured out there's a library nearby. So she went home, found those ballots. Brought them back. Everybody voted. The data centers are driving people absolutely insane.

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and taped a 10-page letter inside his luggage before he flew out. In his luggage, she came to play. And the second he landed, he blocked her. So she called the hotel room directly and got the mistress on the phone. Ooh, she got the mistress live on the phone? That is a bold move. Let's see if it pays off. Then it gets worse. He took the mistress on the Bahamas honeymoon trip he had planned with his wife. And then the mistress tagged him on Facebook, outing the fair to her entire family. That's like a whole public confession.

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Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You put up A7 because this win was not just limited to Maylott. Julie Gonzalez lost her race. We'll talk about that in a second to Hickenlooper, who was the incumbent senator. She was kind of running as a ticket with Maylott. It's very difficult to win statewide in a Senate race. but in the state senate race to replace julie gonzalez the progressive populists won that one there's there are two house races where the progressive movement was challenging incumbents those are those are now

too close to call so they may end up knocking those folks off then we put up a six uh phil wiser is a oh wait this is a sot so let me just tell you so phil wiser is the attorney general running against michael bennett who is the incumbent senator who's actually still in office through 2028. Corporate kind of centrist, Democratic senator, a popular, well-known figure for many years in Colorado, and he was far and away the favorite. In the last couple weeks, he had to lend his campaign

something like a million dollars, which is its own little corrupt act, which, if you remember, Ted Cruz kind of legalized this chicanery where you lend yourself money and then you can raise money as a senator directly to you to pay yourself back. It creates this situation where it's legal for then a rich person to just hand money directly to a person rather than kind of having to go through the whole, oh, this is just a campaign contribution. No, that's going in your pocket at this point. So Bennett did that and then

ended up getting beaten by Phil Weiser, who a friend of David Serotis, so that gives you some indication of, I think, where he sits politically. Ran as an kind of anti-corruption crusader, somebody who is kind of in the anti-monopoly wing, wants to get big money out of politics, and has ideas for how without a constitutional amendment you can restrict big money. So as the same, you know, just as we're getting like the world's first trillionaire and wealth is increasingly being concentrated, we're seeing some level of pushback against that. I don't know if it'll be too late if they've locked everything down. But at least there's kind of a rearguard action against these trillionaires. And I was reading this morning, so with Mila Caros in Congress,

that would bring DSA affiliates to seven, right? In Congress, is that where the the count is right now. I mean, that's just a gargantuan number compared to nothing. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. And if we actually put the Daniel post up on the screen one more time, this is A7, you just want to dwell on this for a moment because we, of course, covered the, like, Dem T party here before I feel like a lot of the corporate press did. And we would joke about it a bit, but then it became pretty obvious. It was very serious. This is the Dem T party. If you're looking at this post from Daniel right now, three Congress members, well, basically it says he's counting 15 Dem incumbents who have lost to a challenger to their left.

So three Congress members, four state senators, eight state house members. That's the Democrat Tea Party. That's it. Yes. And we had a stunted Tea Party basically in 2017, 2018, when you got the first squad wave. The problem then was that there was not really what the Republican Tea Party had in 09 and 10 was concerned. conservative media. Once Eric Cantor got beaten by Brad in Virginia, and once you started to see all of these people coming out to these protests around Tax Day and around the summer of 2009, Fox News

flipped completely. They're like, all right, this Republican establishment world is done. Like, we are throwing our weight in with the Tea Party. And that just shifted the entire balance of power. in 2017 and 18 when the Democrats came with their own version of a t party you had aOC and the others the new york time cnn and msnbc stayed very firmly with the democratic party establishment and said no no this that that way lies ruin democratic establishment is the way to resist trump right and they elevated resisting trump and and said the way we're going to do we need schumer and Pelosi in these tested fighters although they put aOC magazine covers and that sort of thing. Yes, but she got way, way,

there was a period. They weren't doing that for Dave Brat. Right, and there was a period in, right, but you know, Dave Bratt's not his summer. There was a period in 2019 where her name, AOC's name recognition was like triple what it, triple among conservatives,

what it was among liberals. Yep. Because Fox was covering her every single day and you rarely see her mentioned on MSNBC. Like they just weren't interested in it. And so after the party of Staling's was given its shot, they got Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, now that there's this energy again, you're getting more attention paid in the traditional kind of Democratic press, CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, to this insurgent wing.

But more importantly, there's a media apparatus like places like this and the podcast world. might as touch and like just all of these different plate all of these ways for these candidates to reach voters that just didn't exist even in 2017 2018 well and intercept is only reaching so many people right well yeah um and this has always been part of my theory is that like the having some built-in sympathy from corporate media even though yes it's true corporate media is generally more pro-war than the public and more pro like tax cuts for the rich than the public there's like a cultural alignment between a lot of the corporate press and more progressive and center Democrats. Again, this is just uncultural.

I'm not talking about anything else. But that often hurts Democrats because it makes you think, for example, that you can get away with running Joe Biden again until he crashes out in a debate. Or it makes you think that you can run, let's say, in 20, you can get away with putting Hillary in front of Bernie and the chicanery involved in that. There won't be any mass fallout over the next decade that it's worth it to just, like, jam Clinton through and make it really hard for other people to even try to compete with her. And people won't get pissed off about it because we are in control. And it does end up, I think, backfiring. And part of what we're seeing is that. Yeah, I think there's something to that for sure. And the cultural break you're seeing between this Malak Hero swing of the party and the kind of mainstream MSNBC CNN's is really around Israel.

that they are unable to metabolize the criticism of Israel as really anything other than just anti-Semitism and derangement. Yeah. Whereas normal voters can't understand kind of CNN in the New York Times defense of Israel as anything other than corruption. So it is a very stark divide. And just like with Espeyat last week and Renoso also, that their unwillingness to voice real criticism of Israel became a proxy for weakness and corruption. Which is, yes, I think that's right.

That's how Abdul-Assad has been framing it. And that's what I think a lot of people have missed. Finally, just want to point out that viral posts of Scott Weiner, the videos of Scott Weiner being shouted out of pride, that is actually interesting from the perspective he has referred to what happened to Gaza as a genocide. So did Reynoso. But both of them did it after they were running for Congress.

And that's how, I guess, powerful of a test, or that's what this test means to Democratic voters now. Okay, I'm glad you're saying it now, but we don't trust you. We think you're saying it cynically. An I-Hart Radio experience. You end up hell with weekend gold tickets to Lassau, Montreal. Thomas Rett. Mumford and Sons. Well, here's my pride and here's my show.

John Party. Old Dominion. Pierce and more. And the prize gets even sweeter. With flights from Porter Airlines, three nights at residence in downtown Montreal, and $1,000 cash. Download the free Iheart radio app, listen to Pure Country for 10 minutes, and enter to win. Lassau, Montreal. Every day you listen is another chance to win. My husband is currently on a vacation with his mistress, and I'm confronting them. Tell me, Sophia, how did she even catch them? One Amazon shopping receipt. He accidentally

sent her a photo of the kids' Christmas gifts with a delivery to another woman at the bottom. He exposed himself? That's a rookie move. Couples massages, monogrammed bath robes, and lingerie he then moored her for. So she spent four weeks gathering evidence and taped a 10-page letter inside his luggage

before he flew out. In his luggage, she came to play. And the second he landed, he blocked her. So she called the hotel room directly and got the mistress on the phone. Ooh, she got the mistress live on the phone? That is a bold move. Let's see if it pays off.

Then it gets worse. He took the mistress on the Bahamas honeymoon trip he had planned with his wife. And then the mistress tagged him on Facebook, outing the fair to her entire family. That's like a whole public confession. And spoiler, two years later, karma hits him so hard. He's calling his ex-wife in tears saying about the mistress. What a mistake that was. To find out what happened, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHart Radio app.

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We just have to find it. Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's talk about the Supreme Court ruling, which was paired with a very bizarre story. You can walk us through this. Inna Totenberg, who is the kind of legendary Supreme Court reporter

for my entire lifetime. Bestie of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. And so she reports that Justice Alito is retiring, which would be tactical and smart of Alito at this point. Because if Democrats take the state, Senate, then they're going to follow the McConnell precedent, and they're not going to confirm a Trump justice. But as you'll see on the image here, editors note, oops. This is enormous. This is not good. The decisions that were handed down yesterday were enormous as well, obviously,

upheld birthright citizenship, upheld state's abilities to ban boys from girls' sports. So West Virginia and Idaho's laws were upheld by the Supreme Court yesterday. A few pretty significant big decisions, but potentially overshadowed by the story from NPR where Nina Totenberg reported that Samuel Alito, who right now, I mean, he wrote the Dobbs decision. Samuel Alito is seen as like the conservative leader of the court. Obviously Clarence Thomas is there as well, but in recent years Alito has been seen as the kind of champion where people are nervous about Gorsuch sometimes or Kavanaugh sometimes and certainly now Amy Coney-Barrup many times. He was seen as like the stalwart who was writing these these

brilliant conservative opinions and the strategy of him retiring now makes sense it's been a rumor for a long time but totenberg posted a story to npr that got taken down pretty quickly and yet interestingly enough it said in the post people caught this in the wayback machine that on friday alito announced his retirement so what that means is possibly it was yesterday it was not friday just to be clear yes yesterday Yeah, thank you. Yesterday was Tuesday. So it sounds like possibly she had something that was under an embargo, or she knew because she has very deep relationships on the court that something was coming down and had a pre-write ready to go. She says, let's just walk through this so that you can make your own decision about whether or not we have a Supreme Court vacancy coming up, which would be massively significant, obviously. So I'm going to read from Brian Stelter's rundown. NPR's eminent Supreme Court correspondent, Nina Toten, says she made a rookie mistake on Tuesday morning, and that's why she reported that Justice Samuel Alito was retiring. Totenberg's story sent other newsrooms scrambling to confirm, leading a court spokesperson to deny the reporting. Totenberg discussed the matter on all

things considered Tuesday afternoon and read the text of the apology. The apology didn't fully explain why NPR published the report without additional confirmation. However, the embarrassing episode, Stelter said amplified questions about whether Alito was contemplating retirement. Totenberg said, quote, I scared everybody half to death for about five minutes. It's entirely on me. It's not anybody else's fault. So she read her apology to Alito, which was, Dear Justice Alito, there are no words to adequately apologize for today's error in reporting your retirement. It was entirely my fault. Now here's where she explains what happened. I rushed out of the courtroom after the opinion announcements, and when I realized that the usual rush of folks after a few minutes had not happened, I asked somebody what's going on inside to which the answer was retirement announcements. I didn't hear the S on announcements, and I assumed something no reporter should ever do that you were retiring. So just to be clear, she says this was the worst professional mistake of my more than 50 years in journalism. I don't know, I could go on, but I don't know what else to say that I am, except that I am so, so sorry. It was a classy apology, I suppose.

But just to be clear, what she's, right, it looks to me trying not to do is reveal the source here. because she's saying, I heard announcements or I heard announcement instead of announcements which I think the implication of that is she knew that an announcement was coming. Right, exactly. And she took that as license to then phone up NPR,

say run the pre-write, which they didn't change to Friday when they just ran it. So NPR then didn't do the due diligence of saying, okay, we need to even get behind this. They were just rushing, which is odd because NPR doesn't really even need to do that. They're not competing with like the wires.

for the most part. So they really wanted to have that story first and it ended up going out. I've never seen anything like that. It's the stuff of nightmares for a, for a reporter who's, you know, driven by these scoops. But yes, clearly it seems like what she's trying to say is that she knew or she, somebody told her. Yeah. An announcement. Maybe Alito. Probably not Alito. Maybe. He sort of famously doesn't talk to anybody. Not even Nina Totenberg. Definitely not Nina Tonenberg. Somebody. Somebody told her that, hey, Lido's This is my guess. Yeah.

The leader's retiring. Yep. She then hears, oh, announcement. Retirement announcement. Yep. She's like, oh, shoot. Like, run my story, quick. Without checking, like, what announcement.

Now, in her defense is like, she thought retirement announcement. There's only nine justices. Right. Like, what are the chances that somebody else retiring? What was it, a secretary or something? Without her knowing. Yeah. Yeah.

And so they run the story. And so, yes, so the substantial point here would be it's likely that he is. Yes. Retiring. Yes. But now does he stay on another year? Honestly, does he stay on another year? Amazing if he stays on another year just to spite Nina Totenberg and then Democrats win the Senate.

Well, what he would do is retire the day after the election. Yeah. And then they would use the lame duck in one week and just ram somebody through. Yeah. So we'll see what happens. but it looks like we're about to have a Supreme Court vacancy in another fight over that. Now, conservatives are, we covered this a bit yesterday, but that was before the birthright citizenship opinion came out. Conservatives were already frustrated with Amy Coney Barrett's

mail-in ballot decision in the Mississippi case. But yesterday there were actually calls after the birthright citizenship case went 5'4 with Connie Barrett, citing with Katanji Brown Jackson, John Roberts, and Sotomayor and Kagan. There were calls for her to just resists. Here is B3, Mike Davis of the Article 3 project. There he says, Amy Coney-Barritt lied during her confirmation hearing, and he's demanding, this is Benny had Mike on her show, that she resigned, quote, I think it was the biggest mistake imaginable supporting Amy Coney-Barritt. She is a disaster for the Supreme Court.

She is a rattled law professor with her head up her ass and thinks she's the smartest person in the room. She's not. She is a junior varsity justice. She auditioned as a constitutional conservative. She is a fraud. She lied. She should resign.

not up to the job. That just honestly gives you a little flavor of what seems like we're poised for with a Supreme Court vacancy coming up because Trump famously won the conservative coalition over by agreeing to choose in 2016 from the Federalist Society Leonard Leo handpicked list of potential Supreme Court justices, which included Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney-Barratt. And now, yes, there have been contentious back and force over Gorsuch, some over Kavanaugh, but she has just become the source of the ire. And that's going to upend the process for Donald Trump actually picking a Supreme Court justice. You could see, honestly, to go to like a Mike Lee or somebody that's totally left field because he's so exhausted with the federal society kind of con ink conservative

establishment. Meanwhile, you have Mike Davis, by the way, the guy who's client ticket master who. Yes. He worked for ticket master and persuaded the Trump administration to give them a completely corrupt settlement. Almost single-handedly. Sparrest, Mike Davis. Almost single-handedly, yes. So let's put up actually, Graham Platner.

This is a taste of what you might see from the new Democratic Senate if they take the upper chamber. Platner says not a single Democrat or self-proclaimed moderate should vote to confirm anybody of the Supreme Court over the next two years. And if you have a problem with that, blame Mitch McConnell, famous

callback to the one and only Merrick Garland. Now, Stephen Miller said this was, quote, one of the most destructive and outrageous decisions in the long history of the Supreme Court. American citizenship is not the birthright of the world. It belongs only and solely to Americans. No provision of the Constitution can be read to require our national self-obliteration. Donald Trump, we can move on to his reaction. This was a truth social B6. The Supreme Court upheld birthright citizenship, which is too bad for a country, but we can easily make it up in Congress through legislation with the support of the president that has now been determined during this process.

No long and wieldy constitutional amendment is necessary. Congress should start today to work on ending expensive and unfair to our country, birthright citizenship. So a call from Donald Trump to then move on a major piece of legislation, what would obviously be a significant piece of legislation, overturning birthright citizenship through Congress. Now, whether you can do that, that would actually itself probably end up back to the court. Right. The court said no. Kavanaugh, I guess the legal take is Kavanaugh's opinion left a little wiggle room.

But he was the sixth vote. Yes. Yeah. So Kavanaugh said that according to federal statute, birthright citizenship is legal. Therefore, you can change federal statute and make it illegal. The other five said that it was a constitutional right. And if it's a constitutional right, you can't go in to the House and the Senate and change it. And this is why people are so angry at Amy Kony Barrett, basically, because they believe the opinion actually.

went way further than it had to. And she co-signed the opinion that it's a right, not just that it's upheld, but that it's actually a constitutional right because of the amendment. Now, what they could do, and I've seen them start to float this, maybe you can have some more details on this, is try to tighten visa restrictions. Like, I don't even know if you can say, like, if you're like demonstrably pregnant or something, then you can't have a visa to come here or something like that. Because they're, what's interesting to me, though,

is that how they're, Stephen Miller saying, we're just going to lose our country and people cite that there is this like Chinese tourism where you, like somebody will come here. The New Yorker just had a great article with this. Right. But think about what we're concerned about if that's the case.

So we're worried that somebody, a mom from China will fly to the United States, have a baby, The baby's an American citizen. They will fly back to China. They clearly have a decent amount of resources to be able to pull all of this off and to think about it even. They will then raise their kid in China, getting a very good socialist education. They will obviously teach them English because they care a lot about the United States.

China will spend an enormous amount of money educating and training this kid. the kid will be bathed in the American hegemonic cultural stuff. He'll he or she will know our hip-hop artists, know our, no our movies. And then the fear is that when this person turns 18, they will then go to college in the United States. And then after that, maybe start a company or go work for an American company as an American citizen. and that that is going to destroy our country. I just don't see that.

Like in a world of absolutely plummeting birth rates, the country that can attract that driven person who obviously likes the United States because they want to be there and will speak English, they'll do all these things. Like, we win there. Also, the hardest thing about a training of labor force is the parenting.

and the immense cost that goes into raising a baby from zero to 18, zero to 22. I actually think that's probably, if Stephen Miller were here, I think that would probably be his rebuttal to you that the bigger problem is not like Chinese birth tourism, but the bigger problem is that when you have people who are, for example, given asylum or if you have Democrats with laxer border policies that look more like the Biden administrations and they are not in detention while they wait asylum hearings or make different claims, then they have children here because some of those like TPS claims are like two years

the court date would be two years in the future they have American kids and that basically makes it impossible unless you're the Trump administration to deport people who came here then had kids and it's like the quote unquote anchor baby theory I think that's probably what he would say is the bigger

concern when he says it's going to destroy the country like a Honduran mom yeah or okay well I don't know but the yeah the Chinese birth tourism stuff is wild but I agree I mean, it's not on like a massive scale. Like, it's, it's not at all on a massive scale. Yeah, and if you're born here, like, this is, I was, I was kind of surprised at the outrage from conservatives because, like, you're raised in the U.S. being taught, if you're born here, you're American.

It's a fundamental thing. And you saw in, I think it was Alito's descent saying other Western societies don't do that. It's like, yeah, like the whole, I keep being told that we're exceptional, that were special. Like American exceptionalism. Like, we're the greatest country in the world. And then you get somebody like Alito saying, well, Europe does it differently. Like, that's the whole point. Isn't it?

Like, are we exceptional or not? Or are we just another Denmark or something? What are we here? I was always told if you're born in America, you're American. And that's what makes us great. And there's been a lot of backlash to that sentiment in the sort of intellectual right over the last 10 years. That's probably what you saw flaring. It's un-American.

Those are un-American weirdos. Here's Matt Walsh calling Amy Coney-Barritt a DEI hire B-9. He says it turns out that Amy Coney-Barrant is a DEI hire a little better than Katanji Jack's terrible pick. When's the last time we had a Republican president who didn't put a liberal justice on the court? So actually taking it out on Trump a bit there. He did get, I guess, a win in the administration got a win in the form of B-7. So this was a decision rendered yesterday that upheld state laws in,

Idaho and West Virginia banning boys from competing on girls' sports teams. But that also didn't go as far as some conservatives would have liked. They would have liked actually the court to have overturned any state that is allowing it to happen on a like federalist basis. But the court didn't. The court upheld just the ability of the states to make their own laws on this, which means that the blue states that have their own laws on this are safe going forward. Democrats might have preferred that too. Yeah, yeah. And then they'd be like, well, we'd love to keep fighting on this 90-10 issue. Hands are tied. But hands are tied. Supreme Court says we can't. Right, right. It's sort of like Republicans after Obergefell. Now, let's put up this other major decision. This is B-8. The Supreme

Court, as this political headline, political headline says, loosens campaign finance laws opening up a flood of midterm cash. So this was actually with the, it was a case involving the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the NRC. And as Politico says, it struck down limits on coordinated spending between candidates and political parties, a win for Republicans that will fundamentally change how tens of millions of dollars are spent in congressional elections. The decision Politico writes is a blow to Democrats who argued that eliminating the limit on coordination would put more power into the hands of large donors who can cut bigger checks to party committees than to candidates. Republicans tend to get more money from large donors, while Democrats have been more reliant on small dollar donors. and that is particularly in reference to these party committees. So as Politico says, the NRC brought this case seeking to overturn the limits in 2022,

alongside now VP, J.D. Vance's Senate campaign, Trump's Justice Department declined to defend the law and court while Democratic groups intervened to oppose the lawsuit. And while we're talking about this, let's put B-10 up on the screen. This is a new report from public citizen that found corporate political spending has surged to a record-shattering level. Corporations have spent $1.58 billion on federal elections since Citizens United in 2010. In the 26 election cycle alone, they have spent $517 million already. Half a billion dollars already, and it is July, Ryan. Yeah, it's absolute flood of money. What this, and what this ruling does is right now,

you're limited. You can give $3,500 to a campaign. candidate for the general election, 3,500 for the primary, that's the maximum you're allowed to donate. What this would allow you to do is give 3,500 to the candidate, and then give a million to the NRC or the D-G-G-T-G-T, the party itself, and basically tell them, with a wink and a nod, spend it on my guy, which you currently can't do that. So you can't coordinate now because they're trying to keep the act, keep the, keep the, limits on the spending. What the party committees have said, well, you have super PACs now that aren't exactly coordinating, but they basically are coordinating, and you can give the SuperPack a million dollars to spend on this candidate. So that has empowered Super PACs and hurt parties.

What they're going to do eventually is say that, you know what, actually then it's not fair. So Super PACs can also coordinate with campaigns. And then you will have any limits totally in name only. and coordination will be legal. And then when they get angry at Dropside for naming who the donors are and the donors like, you know, get yelled at on social media, they'll say, well, that's not fair either. And you really can't participate in the democratic process without anonymity. So let's let people give millions of dollars in secret directly to candidates. And that'll be fine.

And the joke that's embedded in their ruling is they say, there are already prophylactic measures in place to prevent quid pro quo corruption. Huge. So they're like, we've already, they use the word prophylactic. It's so funny. So we're already, we've already taken care of corruption. There is no corruption. So we can let a little extra money and coordination into the system.

And the joke is the Supreme Court every time they get a corruption case, they overturn it. They overturn the conviction. The prophylactic. Yeah, they'll say, they'll say, oh, yes, okay, money exchanged hands for a public favor,

but the money came after the favor. And so you really can't say that the favor was done for the money. Maybe it was, but maybe it wasn't. Maybe it's free speech. And yeah, so like, they, like Medea,

it's Republicans like McDonald or Democrats, like Menna's like, they just keep eroding what counts as bribery, down to you would need to be on video saying, I am giving you this cash for your personal use in exchange for you performing an official act on my behalf today, like, not tomorrow, because that would be okay, but I need it right now. Then maybe the Supreme Court would find that to be illegal. And they're all getting away with it anyway, So at this point, it's just...

That's the Supreme Court's argument. Yeah, well... They're like, F it. My argument, too, but not for the particular decision just in general. I think we all understand how pathetic it is. And they're basically doing whatever they want. So that's exciting. Listen.

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kind of story politically partisan, on a partisan basis. So if you're not familiar with the author, Stephen Kinzer and Tom O'Neill, you haven't been reading enough books there. I think two of the most important authors, honestly, in the history of American 20th century politics, books that have come out just in the last decade. I actually went back and checked. Kinser's books have totally changed the way that we see our own government. And if you haven't read them you're missing out on that. But they're fairly recent. His books have been like last 10, 15 years. It totally changed the way. For example, he does have probably the most complete book on M.K. Ultra. I think it was 2019 or something. Right. 2019. I went back and checked. That's why I was in the index.

Because Ryan has cited in the index. It was published in 2019. It's called Poisoner in Chief on Sidney Gottlieb. And so Anna Paulina Luna basically convened this hearing. And a lot of this is, there's discussion about having a new church committee after the Republican Party became opposed to the deep state and got very skeptical of the CIA and FBI for a brief moment in time. And now there's remnants of that still happening. But convene this hearing to put focus on M.K Ultra. She's been doing other things as well along these lines. She's, for example, hired Jeff Morley to help her look into the JFK file releases, which is also very interesting. But this was, focused on MK Ultra, but also what happened in the past, what the CIA still hasn't told us about MK Ultra, Kinzer got into that in particular, but whether or not mind control is happening right now. And Kinzer and O'Neill, both foremost experts on this, basically said they don't have evidence of it, but they would be shocked if it weren't continuing to happen today. There were questions specifically about Butler and the Charlie Kirk assassination, as people can imagine.

So why don't we go ahead and just run a couple of thoughts here? Almost 50 years ago, the last congressional hearings into M.K. Ultra took place just a short walk from here in the Dirkskin Senate office building. At those hearings convened in August and September of 1977, representatives of the CIA told Congress and the American people that its 25-year effort to control human behavior had been a colossal failure. because I believe Congress was never told the truth about what this program actually achieved. In fact, I believe the agency misled Congress in 1977 when it characterized M.K. Ultra as a failure. Is it in your expert opinion that Jack Ruby and Manson were assets of the intelligence agencies specifically pertaining to MK.K. Ultra? Were they MK.K. UltraVic? Yeah. theoretically, Manson, I've never been able to prove absolutely Jack.

Ruby, I believe this is something else. The Warren Commission investigation on the Warren Commission was Alan Dulles, the former CIA director, who authorized and ran M.K. Alter until he was fired by President Kennedy. The liaison to the committee for the CIA who handled the information coming from the CIA back and forth to the Warren Commission was Richard Helms, who was a direct supervisor of Jolly West. They knew who West was. They knew that what West was capable of and what they had paid him to do and what he had reported to them that he could do, including inducing mental disorders and people. That was never disclosed to the commission as far as anyone knows.

So I believe that West was put in there to keep Jack Ruby from telling his story. So was Tom O'Neill and Anna, Paulina Luna going back and forth on Manson and Jack Ruby, connections that are Jolly West. Ryan, which are, I mean, damning in a million different ways. Chaos, as he just said, doesn't really ever, you're never able to really establish, and this is by design, of course, in the CIA, the definitive link, but you have everything you need to know, basically. Also, whether or not it was intentional or not, what the CIA ended up doing was seeding an entire counterculture. Yes. Ken Kesey famously participated in an MK Ultra kind of CIA-led asset experiment when he was in the Army, or you can go to the exact details of that.

And, you know, he goes on to, you know, the merry pranksters and Grateful Dead and the, like, the Hell's Angels get looped in with that. And it produces the Northern California kind of counterculture. as a result of that. Like he's, you know, he's driving around the further buses around. And that, that then takes, there's a lot more to what kind of drove the left kind of away from class politics and into whatever it became. But that played a significant, and played a significant role in it, creating that detour.

And so that's why you have some people saying, well, this was intentional on the part of the government to disrupt a class politics that was beginning to form in the 1950s between labor unions and civil rights groups and anti-war groups. The march on Washington by Martin Luther King was funded by the UAW. And that to, and black people who had moved from the South amid the Great Migration were increasingly moving into union jobs. and there was a real threat that this kind of New Deal coalition was adding this element to it that was then going to be hegemonic and then be a real challenge to capital. And that the counterculture kind of helped unravel that. So there's an argument that that was intentional.

I don't know. There's never been any memos or anything that have emerged. But systems are what they do. And it is what actually happened. So while they didn't get mind control, they did reshape the country. And, you know, there's a good point because this is where Kinzer started saying basically, like, we don't know. They burned all of the files. Like the MK Ultra files were like famously.

Richard Helms. Completely burned. And they were talking at the time about not putting a lot of things in writing. Here's Kinzer. This is a C2. There have been enormous advances in cyber technology and artificial intelligence and neuroscience. Covert agencies may have access now to tools for mind control that Sidney Godley could not even have imagined. It may well have been true in 1963 that mind control is a myth, but whether it's still true is uncertain.

And that question of whether mind control might now be possible under our new circumstances is something that has presumably a occurred to scientists who work for secret services, including our own. This task force has a chance to connect the past to the future. A renewed effort to find MKUALTA documents from the 1950s and to fill out the redactions of those that have been released might shed new light on how the CIA operated during that period. It could also inform a new inquiry into whether any mind control projects are now underway inside the U.S. security apparatus.

That might help prevent the emergence of a 21st century MK. Ultra that could be even more destructive than the original. Prevent the emergence of a 21st century M.K. Ultra. That's what you just heard from perhaps the foremost expert on MK. Ultra in the world saying that there is a legitimate need to potentially prevent a 21st century MK.K. Another little newsy bit out of this is Anna Paulina Luna was talking about Operation Paper Club. This is a wild hearing. I watched all of it.

and saying, actually, she's going to the German parliament to start trying and finding, to try and find the victims of M.K. Ultra buried in Germany. Kinzer's book does a lot on this, C3. Kurt Bloma, who was the chief of biological weapons development for the Nazi government, came to work for the CIA. So did Walter Schreiber, who was the Surgeon General of the Nazi Army. I can just tell a brief story.

When I was researching my book, I found what I think might be the first secret CIA prison or black site. It's a nice chalet in Germany. And the guy who now owns it took me into the basement. He said these were the cells where the M.K. Ultra officers working side by side with Nazis carried out those gruesome experiments, which were actually just continuations of the experiments that those Nazis had. been conducting just a few years earlier right down the road. Just for timeline and clarification, these experiments were happening after the Nuremberg trials, correct? So the CIA would have known that these were crimes against humanity.

I looked for an episode in which the Nuremberg doctrines were posted on the wall in some M.K. Ultra or CIA office, and I was never able to find any indication that those Nuremberg principles ever were even consulted, much less obeyed. Wren, I'm the last person that needs to explain this to you, but this has been the domain of the left for decades. And instead of actually taking this hearing seriously, Democrats sent a former NIH director to talk about Trump's politicization of science, not a non-issue, but still, just... What does that have to do with... Nothing, literally nothing. What more politicization of science could there be than teaming up with Nazis to extend their human

experimentation, which we did, to be clear. Right. And so let's roll the witness that Democrats choose to bring in for no reason. Had absolutely no relationship to MK Ultra was like very much just making that clear. And it was an attempt to get soundbites into the hearing about Trump. So this is C3. And right now we're seating our leadership in biomedical research to China. That's what's happening right now. What about covering up harmful side effects of vaccines and the role that the NIH has played in that? What do you have to say about that, ma'am? The U.S. history of human subject protection has evolved greatly.

Numerous research improprieties from the 50s to the 70s in the United States, including the Tuskegee syphilis study, forced Congress to establish formerly federal- mandated rules. You know what I'm asking you about. I'm asking you about how NIH handled COVID. Obviously, this is supposed to be a hearing about M.K. Ultra but when you gave your opening statement, and I don't even know why you were called to this hearing

because you didn't offer anything about MK Ultra. But since you are here and you're going to defend NIH, I'm going to call you out on it. Try not to sound naive, right? But, like, there's no reason for Democrats not to take an MK Ultra hearing seriously and to send somebody who's not just like an anti-Trump witness to divert the conversation and try to kind of troll.

There was an opportunity, probably, to do something slightly more interesting. Right. And the politicization of medicine and science may be the kind of worst argument to make in a hearing like this when it is literally politically driven. Right. As being deployed on defenseless people that the CIA determined were expendable. They went around the world trying to find people that if they died in these experiments in which they were being tortured, that nobody would miss them. It reminded me of Chernobyl's book.

We've had him all a couple times. It's about the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, but the subtitle is corporate gangsters, multinationals, and rogue politicians. And there's a chapter in it that goes through the history of medical research in Africa, which was pioneered by Germans amid their genocide, which became the model for the genocide that they carried out later in Germany. And a lot of the kind of discoveries and people involved in this human research in the early 1900s in Africa on Africans evolved into the Nazi research, which then evolves into the American research, with literally with the Nazis, and also taking place heavily in Africa on subjects who had no idea what they were signing up for. And then when there's an Ebola outbreak, which is going on now,

and you find people suspicious of Western interventions, we're like, oh, look at those dumb tribal people who don't understand the genius of modern medicine, when a significant amount of the history of their interaction with Western medicine was them being the unwitting subjects of medical torture. O'Neill testified yesterday that USAID was, quote, very likely used as a front for MK Ultra. And the breathless defenses that we've seen from Dems who are just trying to anti-Trump posture about USAID contrasts starkly with some anti-colonial activists in Africa who would tell you something very different about USAID. And I guess, just to round out this segment, I'm hopeful in some way that maybe the DSA-aligned candidates who come into Congress would be able to do a little bit of at least what Matt Gates and AOC did on some of the.

topics, like for example, AUMF use in what Libya I think they work together on, maybe you would see something that isn't just such a dumb anti-Trump stunt like that in the future. Yeah, let's get some of these new DSA people on those committees. I think they'll have a much different understanding of the history. Yeah. Well, I would hope so, because Dems should not be seeding these issues. They're right for the picking. Yeah, absolutely.

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