Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 8/21/25: Megyn Kelly Reveals Israel Pressure Campaign, Alleged P3do Hires Trump Pro-Israel Appointee, Saagar Rips Anti Property Tax Boomers, Tech Elites Eugenics

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

Krystal and Saagar discuss Megyn Kelly reveals Israel pressure campaign, alleged pedo hires Trump Pro-Israel appointee, Saagar rips anti tax boomers, tech elites go full eugenics.   To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We need your help to build the future of independent news media, and we hope to see you at breaking points.com. Let's get to it. Megan Kelly had on MTG for a far-ranging discussion on Israel. MTG reiterated that she thought it was a genocide. But what I thought was the most interesting was Megan Kelly obviously becoming very uncomfortable with the increasing amount of reach out to her from the pro-Israel groups who are desperate to get her to the state of Israel on one of these propaganda trips. Here's what she had to say. I have absolutely no skin whatsoever in defending any lobbyist group, including APAC.

Right. So I would love to know what they do to get the loyal. of politicians because I will say I have had multiple, multiple reachouts to me, both from friends and from connected people on D.C. begging me to go to Israel with them. And I have said no every time. I usually am just too busy. I have three kids. I have a full-time job. Sure. I'm not doing it. But lately, it seems like it's coming to be even more because I feel like there's a contingent of people who are worried that they're losing me. Uh-huh. And I've said, You're not losing. I'm not on Hamas's side.

No. God, no. Nobody's on Hamas. But I, it's been a while now that this has been going on. Right. And we're getting more involved with the Iranian bombing and so on. Sure. And my own feelings, there's, you know, I'm looking at Israel in a different way right now than I was on 10.8, that's for sure, of 23. Right. And I can feel the pressure being slightly ratcheted up like you're not allowed to.

You're not allowed to. And I can see people like you, like Tucker, who I know, I know. I know, Tucker, I've known him for years, and I've seen you in your early career, I know you have nothing against Israel. Oh, gosh, no. Never mind Jews, that's all in a lie. Right. And I see the beatdowns coming.

Uh-huh. You're not allowed, like, you're, you have to stay right on this lily pad. Yes. And you cannot jump to another neighboring lily pad because it could take you all the way down the river away. Hmm, interesting. I mean, I think that is, so by the way, that has happened to me, not recently, but in the, in the beginning days.

actually, when that group invited me to go to Israel and to view some 10-7 propaganda? Oh, yeah. I don't know if I've told the story in the show, but when I first started at MSNBC, lo and behold, who reaches out, A-PAC, you want to go to Israel? Yeah, I mean, they, you know, they, Jamal Bowman talked about how he, um, he didn't want to meet with them because he knew what was what. And they went through this, like, respected black men's organization in New York to, like, basically trick him or strong-arm him into. to meeting with them. Right.

And, I mean, that's, yeah, that's what they do. That's what they do. I mean, you've got to respect the game in some ways. They are aggressive about cultivating anyone and everyone. And that's part of why they have had such a lock on D.C., both parties for so many years. But, you know, the interesting thing to me about Megan is, listen, Megan shifts depending on the vibe. Let's be honest. Let's all be honest.

When it looks, you know, in 2016, when it looked like Trump, was going down in flames. She's very anti-Trump, right? She gets kicked down at Fox. Can I just say it was so funny during the podcast where she's like, yeah, the media was staying all this stuff about Trump in 2016. I was like, the media, huh? I was like, some of us remember the first debate, Megan. Yeah, I'm just saying. Was it about her that Trump said the like blood coming out of her eyes and her everywhere or whatever? This is Trump lore. The very first question of the very first debate. The Rosie O'Donnell question. Mr. Trump, you've called women pigs, you know, from Megan. And he's like, only Rosie O'Don. And American

politics changed forever. Yeah, so she was like anti-Trump then, and then she's kind of flirted with it. And then she realized that if you're going to be anyone in the Republican Party, you got to be pro-Trump. Trump, Trump even, like, called her out for her. Remember, he was like she pretends to like me now. She didn't like me. Yeah, she pretends her careers based on pretending. Anyway, it's all just to say that she's looking where the winds are blowing. Right. And the winds are blowing in an anti-Israel direction right now. And so you see her repositioning. And that's You know, I found it interesting when Pierce Morgan did it because he also is another one that, you know, is noting he's, look, he's a tabloid guy. He's got his sense of like where the public is and where they're shifting to, et cetera. I thought he was a noteworthy one. Certainly, I mean, the public, Israel is only supported basically by older Republicans at this point. The Republican Party overall is the most pro-Israel, no doubt. They've lost independence. They've completely lost Democrats. It's basically only support in the Republican. party. But even there, especially if you're in a podcast space online, you're going to have a

hard time if you are lockstep with them. The real reason I wanted to play that clip is because I'm going to provide people with an update on that israeli case of the Israeli government official caught up in the pedos thing. People need to know this. Conservative media has not touched it once. Not one mention on Fox News. Not one mention on the Ben Shapiro show or anyone over at the Daily Wire. Not one single mention by anyone over at the Daily Wire. Let's make clear. a lot, look, a lot of my old colleagues and friends who are working in the industrial complex have written zero stories, done zero reporting. Now look, you know, I should try to toot my own horn and be like, oh, it was a masterful work of journalism to get my scoop. It wasn't, okay?

Here's the truth. I just did the basic legwork. It took me a long time. I had to get on the phone, email some people, you know, whatever, and eventually convince the source to provide me the documents. It's not that hard. Anybody at the New York Times or the Daily Wire or at Fox News, would have had it way before me. You know why? They have somebody who works for them in Vegas. All they would have had to do is drive over to the courthouse and talk to somebody in person. If I'd lived in Vegas, I could have that story in 30 minutes. It's only because I'm, you know, 2,000 miles away or whatever. So just so everybody understands, that is the purpose of the donor control over the conservative media industrial context. Now, what I think Megan is, because at the

end of the day, Megan is independent. She finances, I believe, entirely by herself. I mean, she's very rich, obviously, from her own past career in cable news. She's probably looking at that and also uncomfort of, man, I'm getting a, it's like, and she even said this, the more that you tell me I can't say something, I'm going to look into it. And that has happened more and more and more. And increasingly, you're watching like the world shrink for the pro-Israel side where, yes, they still have quite a lot of control over the media, but with social media, with YouTube, with everything else, their ability to control that narrative is just falling off.

So I do think it's important for her to say what she said. I will also say the amount of pushback, unbelievable. Everyone's already like, she's going down the Tucker Carlson path. She had a platform. Tucker Catarsen. MTG, the idiot brain dead MTG is coming on with her nonsense. And already it's like the concern trole. If you go on Twitter and you look at her replies, oh my God, like to her that episode with MTG,

it's a full-blown panic for her just having her on and even saying the things that she just did. So she's still on the team for now because she's still blaming Hamas for starvation, et cetera. But I wouldn't be surprised six months from now if we see something different. The other thing is the, you know, the A-PAC types. You can't diverge even. I mean, that's actually what she would say. You can't diverge in it. So once you do, once you're off the island, and it's like, oh, okay, well, that, you know, you can say whatever you want because you're already dead to them effectively, which I don't know why so many Democratic politicians in particular don't realize that, that there's no middle ground on this. There's no middle ground on a genocide. There's no middle ground on these horrors. Like, you're in or you're in favor of babies being bombed or you're not.

The MTG had a very, you know, interesting and, you know, I thought quite extraordinary post the other day talking about there were two, you know, two important decisions made by this administration with regard to children recently. One was to block Palestinian children who have their arms and legs blown off by frequently R bombs from coming and seeking medical care. And another one that allowed this alleged Israeli pedophile to fly home and, you know, potentially escape justice. So she was calling that out directly. I also think there's some of what's going on here, too, among MTG and others, is a recognition that the Trump era is not going to last forever, that, you know, he at some point is going to be out of public life, departed in one way or another, and some positioning for what that is going to look like afterwards. I think it's part of what is going on here as well. But, you know, on the, like, betrayal of the idea of America first, we could put D3 up on the screen here.

This is the latest that we've got of people's social media is going to be screened for anti-Semitic, quote-unquote, anti-Semitic activity. So this is, you know, the part of the crackdown is you're going to, if you want to come to this country at all, then you have to make sure that you have all the right views on Israel or else you're going to be blocked. So there you go. It's very important for people to see what's going on. And I do think that her comments, though, are a harbinger of the Overton window is slowly breaking open. And the more people see, like, Israel first amongst a lot of the conservative, like, intelligentsia, and specifically a lot of the media class, I think that they will continue to lose credibility. It's a long game. Don't get me wrong.

It's not going to change immediately. December 29th. 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush. Parents hauling luggage, kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then, at 6.33 p.m., everything changed. There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Apparently, the explosion actually impelled metal glass.

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or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot. camps are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months.

The first night was so overwhelming and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, let's talk about this new update, shall we, on this Mr. Tom Alexandrovich. So I wanted to provide everybody a fulsome update, as I have said earlier at the top. Las Vegas, you guys are like a mafia state. Like the blackout that I have now gotten from people who I originally could get on the phone is extraordinary.

And the reason why is the word has come on down from the top. Everybody's shut up about this case. And in particular, it shows from the lawyer that Tom Alexandrovich has hired. So let's go and put this up there on the screen. The Las Vegas Review Journal, who's owned by who? Who? Right. Oh, Mary Madelson.

Right. Oh, forgot about that. The Las Vegas Review Journal has now confirmed that the Israeli official Tom Alexandervich, who was caught up in that child sexting, has now hired the celebrity attorney, David Chestnoff and Richard Sean Felt. David Chesnoff is the most powerful lawyer in the entire state of Nevada. Very recently, he, along with 22 others, including Mark Levin, were appointed by Donald Trump to the Homeland Security Advisory Committee, okay, just to show you how powerful this current

individual is, and lo and behold, it will shock you, absolutely shock you to learn that he is a very pro-Israel lawyer, who is the most powerful one in the state of Nevada. Let's go to the next one, please. He actually did an entire article with the Las Vegas Review Journal back in November of 2023, where he went to Israel to volunteer in a hospital. He claimed that he had spent a lot of time there over the years. He's now been awarded, actually, with several awards pertaining to the state of Israel and for a lot of his support, which brings me actually to the next one. So let's go and put that one up on the screen. So this is fascinating.

I'm becoming very familiarized with the state. Back in 2021, it was actually kind of a scandal in Vegas because David Chesnoff, the lawyer now for Tom Alexandrovich, donated $30,000 to the Clark County DA, Steve Wolfson. Steve Wilson is the person who is in charge of prosecuting Mr. Alexandervich. Now, people need to understand that this famous defense lawyer donates 30K to the Clark County DA, Stephen Wolfson. Now, we are currently in a situation, which they call pay-to-play justice, in the scandal there at the time, where Mr. Chesnov is now representing Tom Alexandrovich

in the very case that D.A. Wolfson is prosecuting. This is Israeli government official for. I will continue to note that Wolfson has only given one interview on the case of Alexandrovich. He said that he was treated completely normally, but he floated a probation as a potential option. So everybody understands here. He's potentially already floating the idea that Alexandrovich can walk Scott-free, and he can just get probation. He also said, currently, that he doesn't have any concerns about Alexanderich's return, but he's like, we have extradition treaties there that are available. Well, I looked into it because that's what I do. Let's go and put D7, please up here on the screen. And I actually did some research. I go,

Okay. When is the last time Israel returned a charged American pedophile? Well, the most recent is just from October of 2023 when a guy named Gershon Crancer, who was charged with multiple crimes against children in 2010, fled to Israel. It took 11 years to return him to the United States. Why? Because he took advantage of Alia, the right to return, which we talked about earlier in the show. The Israeli legal system and specifically the extradition treaty with the United States has multiple loopholes for any Israeli citizen who is facing extradition. In fact, this became a crisis back in 1999 because actually locally here, Crystal, a 17-year-old murdered another 17-year-old, butchered his body and set him on fire. His father was Israeli and he's like, look, Israel's got no extradition, we're going. And so he fled to Israel. What ended up happening is that the Israelis, after massive diplomatic pressure happened, they said, okay, okay, our Supreme Court won't allow him to be extradited. So we'll try him for the crime in Israel, and he can serve his prison sentence there. That leads to a 2005 extradition protocol.

That protocol, though, has massive amounts of holes in it, which basically the Israeli legal system is rigged. I guess, I guess if all should be, for the ability for their citizens to not. face extradition. So the current problem is, is this guy ever coming back? He has no incentive to. As I just showed you, you can fight your case for 11 years and still barely face return. This is very, very difficult. There's already statute of limitations problems from a guy, a rabbi who was charged in the 1980s. He still is living with impunity in the state of Israel, never came back because the Israeli Supreme Court was like, oh, it's the statute of limitations, but it's the only statute of limitations

because he fled, right? So he was able to run out of the law. He still lives there. Totally out in the open with impunity. I mean, a horrific pedophile. And so every ounce of research I have seen here is that this guy who worked for the government

and if he wants to, basically if Trump doesn't put any serious pressure on the government, we will never see him again. Because think about it, the prison sentence for this charge is one to 10 years and the DA is already floating probation.

You're going to fight a guy for 11 years for extradition to come back and serve, I think we should, to be clear, just to set an example for all of our diplomats. But the road is set to the sweetheart deal of all time. And so I'm just laying in the groundwork for the powers that be, they are out in full force to protect this guy. From Chestnoff to Edelson, to the government, I mean, it's all out there. There have been a lot of focus on this U.S. attorney, Trump appointed, who talks, she's very She's very pro-Israel. Yes. She's also very pro-Israel.

When is she born in Israel? What's her? I don't know. She's very committed, Zionist. And she, I know, deleted her account on Twitter, I believe, after she came under scrutiny for potential involvement in this. Like, what can we say about her? Is it, is the scrutiny on her?

It's kind of complicated. Yeah. So she, okay. So here's the thing. She is an Israeli-born American, by her own definition. She has multiple previous posts on her personal Twitter account, where she had basically said, I'm very pro-Israel, et cetera. The thing is, is that- Sureing for the destruction of Gaza. Destruction of Gaza, etc. Right. So she's now the acting

U.S. Attorney for the state of Nevada. Now, the thing is, what makes it sketchy, and I have yet to uncover any evidence that the feds actually didn't intervene, but the facts make it, it's pretty difficult to explain that the federal agents, FBI and HSI agents, who were the first people to question Alexandrovich, did not give a heads. up to the U.S. Attorney's Office. The U.S. Attorney's Office has not answered any questions about that. Zero questions about this. They put all the blame on the judge. And by the way, they got all their facts completely incorrect because Alexandrovich never stood before a Nevada state judge that he actually took advantage of a BLM-style law from 2020, which allows criminals to just post-bail

and go scoffrey if they want to before any probable cause hearing before a judge. So the difficulty like right now, I think, is that there's all of this smoke. The fire has not been able to be proved. But the smoke that currently exists in Nevada is that they have a powerful attorney. He's represented like Bruno Mars, you know, I mean, like seriously very, like very, very rich Paris Hilton, you know, those types of people. TMZ's probably got this guy on speed dial, like a lawyer to the stars, like one of the classic people, kind of like the OJ thing. Here's a question. Who's paying him? I mean, that's an open one. Who is paying your legal fee? Is it Alexanderovich? Who's worked on an Israeli government salary? Is it the government? Is it a rich,

benefactor? I've been trying to figure out who posted his bail. From what I've been able to find out, no bail bondsman company actually bailed him out. Somebody did post bail. We know that. It wasn't him based on something called a surety bond. So the question is, who posted his bail? Again, total blackout from Henderson City. So there's still a lot of very sketchy stuff here. I personally think what's going to happen is going to get probation and he's going to walk. And the question will be, is he going to get special treatment compared to the seven others who were caught up in the sting, all of whom who have been charged. This man remains uncharged by the state of Nevada. He's the only individual caught in the sting who hasn't yet been charged. I've been checking every day. And I think it's just

worth reminding people that this isn't just like some random Israeli. He is a high level official close to the Netanyahu's, et cetera. So, you know, this isn't just some rando. This is, what's his official title? He's like in charge of like, cyber director. Yeah, cyber director. Oh, by the way, immediately after this, my phone, lockdown mode. I was like, I'm not taking any risk. Very intelligent. I will say the uncovering and the reporting of the story, which initially surfaced for me, at least from Mel. She's a village crazy lady on Twitter. And then you're sleuthing. It has restored some of my faith in quote unquote independent media because we would never know. If it wasn't for, you know, independent journalists, we would never know anything about this whatsoever. No, it's true. Him just like hurrying up and leaving to Israel, that would have. been the end of the story, and, you know, there would have been, like, a little local crime news story in Nevada that no one would have picked up on. Certainly, the mainstream press

wasn't going to dig into this. This is my beef. No offense, Nevada, local journalists, but, like, they don't understand the political implications. So for them, they report it like any of the crime story. They're like, he lured a child, a search, you know what I'm saying? Like, they do the details. Yeah. The FBI NSA thing, they have the same docs that I do because they've got sources. They didn't report any of that, you know? And I read all of their stories. And then they just print whatever the lawyer says with no comment. They don't note any of the stuff that I just did. Same thing with the DA. They don't ask him any follow-up. They're like, hey, what about the extradition treaty? Have you demanded his appearance in court? Nothing. Like, it's one of those

where, I mean, I almost don't blame them because, you know, they're not following international politics. They're like crime beat reporters, most likely. Or they work for the AILS. Or they work, you know, in some cases, literally work for the other. But, I mean, no, but there's a local TV guy who I've been following. He's been, you know, reporting or whatever on the case. But it's more so that I just think they're not familiar with, like, how much of a scandal it is nationally. But this is why national media and others, they could cover this story easily if they wanted to. At New Yorktimes.com email could solve this in a day because they could use their Washington Bureau, their FBI reporters, and get somebody on the ground in Vegas. You could read a 2,000-word article exposing

all of this. They won't touch it. And I mean, I think the reason why is because It's about conspiracy, right? Like, it's distasteful, and it would feed far-right fantasies. And it's like, guys, we're dealing purely in the realm of facts. Caught in the sting, back in Israel, remains the only one on charge, hire the most powerful lawyer in the state of Nevada. Do I need to spell it out for you? The one mainstream story I saw about it was Axios, but they wrote it up like...

Yeah, MAGA reacts. And it's like, I mean, first of all, it's certainly not just MAGA, right? And second of all, why not just talk about the story itself? rather than doing the meta story about like, oh, this group of people is reacting in this way. So, yeah, that was the only mainstream coverage that I've seen at this point. It's crazy. It is absolutely crazy. So anyway, that's your update.

I will continue on it. And if you are in Vegas and if you have something, reach out. I would love to talk to you. December 29th, 1975, LaGuardia Airport. The holiday rush. Parents hauling luggage. kids gripping their new Christmas toys. Then, at 6.33 p.m., everything changed.

There's been a bombing at the TWA terminal. Apparently, the explosion actually impelled metal, glass. The injured were being loaded into ambulances. Just a chaotic, chaotic scene. In its wake, a new kind of enemy emerged, and it was here to stay. Terrorism. Law and Order Criminal Justice System is back. In season two, we're turning our focus to a threat that hides in plain sight.

That's harder to predict and even harder to stop. Listen to the new season of Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebenei. podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebeney and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. On Pretty Private, we'll explore the untold experiences of women of color who faced it all, childhood trauma, addiction, abuse, incarceration, grief, mental health struggles, and more

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liberation together. Listen to the unwanted sorority, new episodes every Thursday on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, let's get to property taxes. Okay, now here's a little pet issue of mine, which I said, I wish I had the time to write this up into a monologue, but I'm going to do my best. So there is a growing effort on the right to, quote, abolish property taxes. I want to say at the top, I sympathize. Everybody hates property taxes. Here in the state of Virginia, actually where I live, they even tax your car. You know, every year you have to pay your annual car tax. And it's one of the most unpopular things that people ever have to deal with.

But I want to really dig into this and tell people why it is actually a massive giveaway to the old. And if anything, it needs to be reversed. So let's put this up there on the screen from Marjorie Taylor Green. She says recently, quote, hi, we need to completely abolish property tax. It forces us to, quote, pay rent to the government on property that we own. but if we don't pay property tax, the property that we own gets taken away, that should never happen in a free country. She says, secondly, health insurance is a giant scam. I agree, but let's stick with the property tax thing, because this is actually becoming policy.

Let's put the next one, please, on the screen. Ron DeSantis is now proposing no property taxes in the state of Florida. And actually, it's Florida, Ohio, and many other Republican states that want to eliminate property tax. Vivek Ramoswamy has apparently said something similar. the more I looked into this, again, emotionally, I actually do understand. Everybody hates property taxes. It's one of the things that included in your mortgage, even if you finally pay off your house, you have to continue to do it. The more I actually started to look into it, not only in what it funds, but the way that seniors are the ones who are the most benefit, or the most benefit, not only of the property tax themselves, which is paid for services, but get exemptions,

I was like, wait, no, this is a massive giveaway to the old. And it's an inversion of how policy should be. So let me put this up on the screen and then we can talk is I did a lot of this research. This was chat GPT, thankfully, and I was like, huh, how much property tax exemption already exists for old people? So in Florida, you get this thing called the homestead deduction. That's for everybody, it's for your primary residence, which is off of your assessed value. But seniors who are 65 plus and lower income, by the way, that low income is a very different

definition than what I would think of low income. You get an additional $50,000 exemption. In Texas, you get something called the regular school tax exemption, and then for seniors, you get an extra $10,000 off of school district taxes, plus school taxes are frozen at the age of 65. The theory, basically for property tax and the anti-property tax movement, for a lot of old people, is, hey, we're older, our kids are grown, so why should we have to pay for schools. I think this is preposterous because I could get, I have to, I'm forced to pay social security and Medicare, like everybody else, with FICA. I could get hit by a bus on the day I turned 64 and 364 days and get no social security. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have to pay it for my entire

life. Right. So their theory is that we have to pay for their retirement, which by the way is pegged to inflation, but they get property tax, school tax, frozen, and now they want to eliminate it entirely, which are city services, which again, who's calling 911 for an ambulance all the time? It's old people, okay? And these people want to opt out of that and shift the tax burden to the consumption of sales tax, which would actually be a massive giveaway to them, not even worse. Let me just continue with the rant, is it would mean that their primary residence, they have no incentive to sell, which actually locks them even more so into housing stock, Giant McMansions, which for two people, which, in my opinion, rightfully, should go to people with younger houses.

Now, I'm not saying they should be forced to sell. But to say that, well, maybe I have, but it's like, I'm not saying there's... Time to move on, Grandma. I'm not saying they should be forced to sell, wink, wink. But the idea that you should be, that the government should provide you massive amounts of services, free retirement, free health care under Medicare. but you don't have to pay for my kids' school taxes, get out of here. And now you actually want to shift the local burden to more so to the consumers rather than the elderly people who, again, get inflation-pegged free money from the government.

And now under the Big Beautiful Bill, you get a tax-free income for 88%. I just think it's one of those where it's a total abdication by the boomer generation. They're like, oh, we're done with the school, so we don't have to pay for them. Well, you know, what if I'm done with you? why do I have to pay for your health care? You know, 1% of all federal spending is on boomer dialysis. I'm not joking. One percent of the entire federal budget is on dialysis for obese boomers with kidney disease. It's one of those where, and listen, I'm pro-Medicare. If anything, you know, we should go after the health care companies that jack up that spending. I'm not saying

we should take it away from you. But you can't abdicate your responsibility to the younger generation. And that's what all of us is. It's like we literally have a socialist system right now for boomers. The more I'm looking into this property, thing, I did not realize it's a massive giveaway to the elderly. And it shifts the entire tax burden on people who are younger, can't afford the homes, being frozen out of the housing stock, and are making it so that they have to have sole responsibility for their lives and for the city services of them on top of paying for the quasi-socialist system of retirement that we have for everybody 65 plus. I mean, the school thing is just like, do you live in a

society? Thank you. I know. It's crazy. It would be the same thing if I was like, well, my neighborhood is safe, so I don't want to pay for the cops. Exactly. Exactly. Okay, we live in a society. We all live here together. There are certain things that are valuable to us. For example, the education of the children, right? For example, like, you know, we could do a lot better about everybody being able to have health care, et cetera. You know, I think you have to ask, okay, there are certain set of services that people expect and need the state to provide. So there's going to have to be revenue raised somewhere. So if it's not property taxes, what is it likely to be? And that's where you, yeah, where you make. Which is what? Massively regressive. So even taking like the age part out of this, our society, increasingly the structure of our society in terms of haves and have-nots, and there is a deep generational component

to this that is for sure is between those who own their homes and those who rent. And if you own a home, you're much more likely to, you know, have sort of stable life. If you're much more likely to have some sort of wealth that you've accumulated, you know, you're building value over all these years, you already get big tax breaks from the federal government in terms of mortgage interest deduction. You know, it's a major dividing line in terms of society. And the capital gains after you sell? That's exactly right.

So you get significant breaks. There's significant built-in advantages to being a homeowner already in our system. So what you're talking about is another tax break for homeowners who are much more likely to be, affluent than people who are renters. So, you know, if you were going to instead fund things with a actually progressive income tax code, okay, then we can talk. You know, then I'd be open to it. But that's not the direction that they're pushing in. They're pushing, okay, we're going to do sales tax and sales, why is sales tax deeply regressive? It's because the poorer you are, the more of your income you're spending on consumption because you're, you know, it's your backs against the wall,

your paycheck to paycheck. So basically everything that comes in is going to out in expenditures. So as a percent of your income, you're going to be taxed much, much more. So, yeah, it's terrible. And the thing is, it's not just a red state. And by the way, you wouldn't believe the boomer rage I've gotten for talking about this. But the more I look into it, the amount of breaks these people get is unbelievable. I talked to a state net legislator who got mad at me. He's from New Hampshire. He's like, what are you talking about? Idiot? Nobody freezes property taxes for people in New Hampshire. Took a simple Google search to find out that 13 of the largest cities in the state of New Hampshire, 203 localities all provide something

called an elderly exemption for property tax. The theory behind it is that these people are on fixed income and that they don't use the schools, so therefore they deserve the break. Again, that is the same argument that the school voucher people make about their property taxes or private school who are like, oh, but I send my kid to private school, why should I have to pay into the system? Or, oh, I don't use that much trash. Why should I have? It's like, like this, you know, it's almost like a libertarian mindset, but it's only libertarian and the only opt out exists is for the elderly. Now let's compare U.S. socialism for 65 plus to zero to five. That's where my baby is right now. What is she getting from the federal government? Zero,

nothing. I get a measly tax deduction. What else? Pre-K. when they turn like four or something like that. In between, good luck. Hope you make decent money. Yeah. And if you're, and if you're Zoran, you propose free child care, people are going to say you're a communist. And yeah, while they, again, get free health care. They get completely free health care. Now, a sane society would say that if you have to choose between them, in my opinion, zero to five is way more important, especially than 65 plus in a country where people live until 83 years old. So now, I'm not saying throw everybody out on their street, but for all of those folks, If you guys are going to get your free health care, don't be coming around saying, I don't have to pay any property tax because I've already paid it and I don't use the schools.

Again, we all have to pay for your retirement. And if you really want to get technical, on an accounting basis, the average senior who retires at age 65 in the year 2020, paid $600,000 into the system. You get $1.2 million in benefits over the course of your life. Double, literally, what you ever paid into the system. So the idea that you've paid for everything you get, no, it's false. Now, I'm not saying we should bankrupt you or take a lot of the stuff away. I'm in favor of reducing the massive amount of costs in the health care system. But the current way that it's structured is everything is about tax breaks for the people who are already homeowners, which disproportionately are the elderly.

Let's put E4 here up on the screen, because this is very important. If you look at the current data, home buyers over the age of 70 currently outnumber those under 35. And in particular, it's for larger houses and or starter homes. So the way that the tax system is now currently, the way that the current tax system is, is that boomers are getting free social security, literally free, 88% of you will not pay any tax on your social security because of the new standard deduction, which is only for people who are over the age of 66 or whatever by the one big, beautiful bill. You get free money from the government, tax free money, basically from the government,

You get free health care. Capital gains, no tax on your residence, which massively has boomed. You can roll that into a new house, and a lot of them are choosing to live lives of relative luxury for how they grew up. Now, I don't bemoan or begrudge anybody for being able to do that. I do think there should be a reverse of the system to incentivize first-time homebuyers over people who are already elderly. So if I want to see tax breaks, I want to see them for the people who are under 30, not for the people who are over 70. But then you can't be buying your McMansion, which, in my opinion, again, should be probably going to somebody under the age of 35 and then not pay any property tax for it. Because that means you're never going to sell it. The carrying cost is way too simple for you.

It's like the deal of the century that we're just handing over to all these folks. And here's the thing, you and I know it's going to pass. In Florida, it's full of old people. Their entire state is subsidized by the federal government because we pay for their residence income and we pay for their health care. So now, you know, what they're going to do. We also pay for, like, their homeowners. Well, yeah, we both for their homeowner. Right.

And we insure all of their property, which by rights, nobody should even live in because it's near the ocean and is constantly getting destroyed. I mean, I think there's overlap between, so I think the proper way to look at, you know, the taxation system, rather than a generational war, zero sum between what the elderly could get versus what young people could get is, I mean, the big problem. is that the wealthy pay very, very little in taxes. There's not a progressive income tax system in the way that there should be. And I'm talking nationally right now, but certainly in states like Florida that don't even have an income tax.

And so, you know, what you end up with is because you had older generations who were able to acquire wealth at a time period, you know, more during the like New Deal era, when housing was much more wildly more affordable. Health care was wildly more affordable. education was wildly more affordable. College education in certain places was free at the time. So you have a wealth disparity between generations, but you, you know, the big war is the class war versus the generational war. There's overlap there. But, you know, to me, that's the frame to look at these things.

I don't disagree, and politically, but no politician will ever talk the way I'm talking. Why? Because old people are the only ones who vote. But the thing is, is that it is important still to say that. that the middle-class elderly is way better off than the middle-class young person. It's just empirically true. And a lot of that is homeowners. And it's homeownership.

The tax breaks are unbelievable. Or like in California with Prop 13, the biggest load of bullshit I have ever seen, that these people who buy a house in 1976 explodes in value from $100,000 to $2.5 million, living in Santa Monica or whatever in Los Angeles are paying massively low property tax rate compared to somebody who has to purchase the home, let's say, in 2015. I'm sorry, it's not right. And they're like, oh, but it's not fair because I'm priced out because of the property tax. You get, listen, if you were, this is where my personal responsibility spiel.

If you saved your money and you put it in the 401k like you should have, then you should have no problem being able to pay your property tax. But their argument is that, again, their free inflation-adjusted income should be able to sustain a like mansion in Santa Monica, preposterous. The property tax should be pegged to the accurate market value, and if you have to sell, so be it. You should have worked harder and should have saved more money. And that's just like infuriating that they continue to try and stop paying for school taxes,

cap their own property taxes, and make it so that they can live in housing stock, which again, by any fair market should, and fair societally, should be occupied by people who are younger who literally cannot get into them. I mean, it's basically, I think people should just think of it as a tax cut for the rich effectively. I mean, that's disproportionately who's going to benefit from it. And so if, you know, my metric is just, is it a regressive or progressive tax? And if you are getting rid of property tax and shifting that burden over to an income tax, a consumption tax, I mean, not an income tax, rather to a sales tax, a consumption tax, you are giving a tax cut to the rich and you are funding it with a working class tax hike. It's true. That's what

you're doing. And so if you just look at it through who benefits and who's going to bear the cost, I think it becomes pretty clear. This is a bad deal for average people. I had a senior reply and it was like, what about death taxes? You wouldn't even know anything about that. And it's like, bro, unless you're worth $34 million when you die, you're not paying an estate tax. Yeah. It's like, so actually, just tell me you're filthy rich. I mean, we barely even have a death. That's what I'm saying. It's like the exemption is $15 million per person. So you're worth more than $30,000. million dollars? And you think you shouldn't have to pay any taxes? It's one of the most important reasons that we've had increasing, like a solidifying class structure and less and less

upward mobility is the lack of an estate tax. Well, it's not just, it's actually a step-up basis, in my opinion. That's the truth. Oh, well, that, yeah. That is the crime of the century. All right. I'll, I'll end it there. I know the boomers will be mad, but I'm sorry. It's like you said, we live in a society. You have to pay for us because we pay for you. Literally, that's what the money is for from the government. And like, did you go to school at one point in your life? Did people pay taxes so that you could go to school? As I'm sitting here paying for your dialysis, it's infuriating.

I'm sorry. All right, let's get to your monologue. What are you taking a look at? In 1917, a new silent film was released with an extremely unsubtle plotline. The Black Stork follows a young couple who marry and have a baby in defiance of warnings from the film's hero, Dr. Dickey, that the couple will pass on the father's, quote, hereditary taint. Sure enough, when they do have a child, it is born, quote, defective in the language of the film and in need of life-saving intervention, which the doctor refuses to provide. The mother, having doubts, embarks on a mental journey

exploring the life that her defective baby would grow up to lead and watches as he suffers through a miserable existence, culminating in his choice to murder Dr. Dickie for the crime of letting him live. The mother then awakens from her reverie and agrees with the doctor that her child should, in fact, be murdered. At the close of the film, we watch as Jesus receives the baby's soul, a difficult but moral and righteous choice having been made to kill the infant rather than condemn him and his offspring and the race at large to a polluting of the blood pool. It's a pretty sick shit, right? Well, pay attention because as with other ugly discredited ideologies, which have bubbled back to the surface in this era, eugenics is back. The language, the tactics, the mechanics may be tailored for the modern age, but make no mistake, from Silicon Valley to D.C., to social media, to pop culture, a new eugenics movement has arrived,

and it is every bit as morally repugnant and anti-creation as the OG version. The New York Times Ross Douthout recently hosted a high-flying young tech founder, who has secured Peter Thiel funding, to explain her company's offerings. Called Orkin, the company and its founder, Nor Siddiqui, promised parents the ability to design a healthy child through sophisticated embryo testing and selection tech. These couples go through a process of IVF, have each of the created embryos tested, and receive a detailed breakdown of the genetic makeup of each one of the embryos. Orchid is but one of a number of startups in the field offering the similar embryo testing services. Another Tealback startup, Nucleus Genomics, specifically

test embryos for high IQ, hair color, eye color, left-handedness, likelihood for obesity, and a whole range of potential health outcomes. As for Orchid, it is rumored to include on its client list the richest man on the planet, Elon Musk. It is increasingly popular in Silicon Valley, and according to Siddiqui has already worked with thousands of parents. Now, I would recommend listening to this entire interview, but I was particularly struck by Siddiqui's explanation of the inspiration for her work and how it kind of eerily echoes some of the plot line of the Black Stork. So growing up, you know, my mom got a pretty, you know, pretty devastating diagnosis. She, you know, she started by losing her night vision. Then she lost

her peripheral vision and then slowly she started losing her central vision. So she ended up getting diagnosed with a condition called retinitis pigmentosa. So what that means is that you sort of progressively go blind. And it was a pretty long odyssey to actually get that diagnosis. And then there was a lot of fear around, okay, is that going to affect, you know, her siblings, my aunts and uncles, is it going to affect us or children? And, you know, really kind of what I was obviously very young when a lot of this was happening. How old was she when this sort of manifest to itself? So I think the first symptoms that I think she admitted to, at least, you know, my dad were probably in her early 30s. And then I think maybe in her mid-30s is when kind of he pushed her enough

to be like, hey, I think this is something that, you know, you should really be, you know, looking into. And I think that, you know, really what, you know, sat with me and left, and what I fell through that experience was just this sort of profound unfairness, right? This idea that, you know, there's this genetic lottery that's unfolding and some people win and some people lose and through no fault of their own, someone who I love, you know, bitterly, you know, isn't going to be able to enjoy the things like, you know, being able to, you know, see her grandkids and, you know, just things that I think, you know, you and I take for granted that, hey, we're going to be able to see into old age. So just to be really clear here, if Sadiqi's grandparents had been able

to avail themselves of orchids technology, they would have been able to select from a range of embryos of varying characteristics and likely would have discarded the one with the genetic markers for this adult onset blindness. In other words, the embryo, which would have grown to be Sadiqi's mom, would have been destroyed after having been labeled defective. of the doctor in Black Stork, Siddiqui presents this as a moral choice that would have saved her mother and their family from the pain of grappling with her blindness and the possibility that future generations may also inherit this condition. If I took the trays of embryos that contain you and your husband's embryonic children and I threw them in the river, what kind of crime have I committed?

Have I committed a property crime? Like, should I pay a fine? Like, what have I done? I think that the question of, okay, an embryo that is going to get adult onset blindness, what do I think about that embryo? My mom doesn't want to be blind. She doesn't want me to be blind. She doesn't want her grandkids to be blind. So I think that it is a positive moral choice. It is the responsible decision as a parent to detect that risk at the earliest possible stage and to, you know, transfer the embryo that has the best probability of a healthy life. I don't think that there's any moral question there. I think almost the opposite. I think that creating stigma or creating some sort of taboo around the idea that parents would want to proactively get that information is a dangerous idea to propagate. No moral question and a dangerous idea to propagate.

Pretty interesting. Of course, selecting to guard against a medical condition, that's one thing. Custom designing a super race is quite another. Any guess what trait Silicon Valley types are most interested in selecting for? According to the Wall Street Journal, tech executives are shelling out big bucks for designer high IQ babies. Their article titled Inside Silicon Valley's growing obsession with having smarter babies details the way that tech executives are increasingly spending tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to avail themselves of Orchid-type tech in an effort to guarantee high IQ offspring.

Some are also spending hundreds of thousands on high-end matchmakers who can and paired them with high-achieving Ivy League mates in hopes of passing on these intellectual genetic blessings. A statistical geneticist from Harvard Medical School explains the Wall Street Journal this fascination with what is being styled genetic optimization. Let's go ahead and put this quote up on the screen. They say, I think they have a perception that they are smart and they are accomplished and they deserve to be where they are because they have, quote, good genes. Now they have a tool where they think that they can do the same thing in their kids as well, right? Now, if that is not the definition of a eugenics mindset, I don't know what

is, specifically the ideology that some genes are good and some genes are bad, therefore some people are innately superior and deserving of certain privileges vis-à-vis their genetically inferior brethren. This type of thinking is currently coursing through the body politic right now in a variety of forms. Now, the original eugenics movement combined anti-immigrant fervor over fear that other races would degrade the white American wasp stock with a progressive era zest for radical reform. Support for eugenic policies like forced sterilization, it was actually concentrated in the well-off, educated, sophisticated circles, kind of like Silicon Valley. The movement itself was also fomented at a time of great change as the Industrial Revolution concentrated wealth

and transformed the population from rural to urban. You can see some of these same strands coming together right now as Elon Musk and his obsession with birth rates and spreading his allegedly high IQ seed finds common cause with the racial nativist obsesses people like Stephen Miller, who I don't have to tell you, has a lot of power. Now, when white nationalist Stephen Miller cautions against importing the third world, he is asserting that people who come from developing nations aren't poor because of their geography or because of the poverty they were born into, but because of their inherently immutably inferior genetics. When Trump, warns about immigrants, quote, poisoning the blood of the nation, he's engaging in that same

sort of genetic essentialism. Such views are given full-throated endorsement among increasingly influential racist influencers people like McFuentes. Here he is explaining to Candice Owens his view that black people are inherently genetically inferior. So I'm trying to understand if you're actually, you think that it's all black people are like this, or if your world is kind of colored by, this is what's going on in America. This has failed for a thousand reasons. Welfareism has definitely, I mean, black people in 1940s stand up.

My grandfather, I talk about that denigration and the corrosion of culture. That's happening. White, black, whatever you want to name it, there is this intentional corrosion of culture. So do you think it's literally, well, this is just what a black person is when they come out? Or do you think that post-welfare,

LBJ, great society, this is what black Americans have become, and I have a right to respond to that and say that as a white man, I don't want to live there. Well, you know, I think it's more nature than people would like to believe. You know, there's this classic tension of, is it nature, is it nurture, is it cultural, or is it intrinsic? Is it racial?

And I've always been on the latter side of this among conservatives. Conservatives like to say it's all culture. Black America is a way it is because of hip-hop music and the great society and that kind of stuff. And I think the uncomfortable reality is a big part of it is intrinsic. You know, one of the big arguments against the abolition of slavery in the 1860s is that, you know, when Europeans colonized Africa, they hadn't discovered the wheel. There's no two-story buildings. There's no writing. There's no written language.

Missionaries had to go to Africa in the last century and invent it for the African people because there's no recorded history. They didn't have writing. In sub-Saharan Africa, and we didn't, Europeans did not penetrate that. until late 19th century, they didn't have any of this. To the extent that you have infrastructure in Africa is from the Muslims in the Sahel in the Maghreb in northern Africa, where the Arabs colonized. And then you had, you know, Carthage and Egypt, you had ancient civilizations. But sub-Saharan Africa, they didn't have that.

You take these people out of that land and put them here, and they're enslaved people. You let them free in a modern, liberal republic. They're not going to succeed. It's not going to go well for them. And that was one of the arguments against abolition. People said if you free them without any assimilation, without any kind of process for them to be acclimated, they're going to die.

And that's exactly what happened. Many of like the bottom 10% of like the lowest IQ Africans just died off for generations. And it had a, you know, pardon the expression, but it had a eugenic effect. Because over time, if the, if the weakest are dying off, that's one argument for why blacks in America have a standard deviation higher IQ than the blacks in sub-Saharan Africa. All right, let me spend a little bit of time on that because that is all utter and complete

garbage. So the data over time actually tells a story of black IQ scores consistently closing the gap with those of whites in America. This would not be possible if black people are just inherently immutably inferior forever and always. Data also shows an exceptional record of achievement among black immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa and Africa in general, specifically Nigerian immigrants as a population. have the highest college attainment of any ethnic subgroup in the entire country,

not to mention to flatten all of Africa or even all of sub-Saharan Africa into a single race is in and of itself complete and utter nonsense. Africa is the single most genetically diverse continent on the planet. Now, I'm not saying nature is irrelevant when it comes to characteristics like IQ, but Fuentes seems to dismiss nurture altogether. Maybe the clearest example to debunk this nonsense comes from countries like South Korea, which experienced rapid economic development, lifting much of their population out of poverty.

Lo and behold, average IQ in South Korea went from below 905 to above 105 in just two generations, an impossibility if IQ was primarily genetically determined and immutable. Asians in general, let's keep in mind, were once stereotyped as inherently unintelligent. Now they're kicking white people's asses so hard in college admissions that we have to rig the selection process just to keep some white diversity on elite college campuses.

Not to mention, I hate to break it to these people. Some of the most dysfunctional morons I have ever met are high IQ. This somewhat bullshit indicator is famously piss poor at actually predicting life's success. However, as we barrel towards an AI future where jobs are scarce, wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few trillionaires, and the stakes of making it into the global elite may be the difference between unending wealth and unending misery. It's not hard to see where all of this could ultimately lead us. Obviously, we already see a crackdown on immigration, which is often overtly sold in the name of racial purity.

It's the exact same dynamic that we saw in the run-up to the passage of the Immigration Act of 1924, which was explicitly crafted by eugenesis based on their junk science of which races were more or less inferior. This time around, I don't think we're likely to get for sterilization laws, at least I don't think so, to block the quote-unquote defective from procreating. Instead, the modern version is going to be driven by the logic of the market. in arms race by those with the means to secure their child's spot in the elite class that can pay to insulate themselves from the ravages of wars, climate crisis, and whatever AI has in store for all of us. If Black Stork, that film I started with, served as pro-Eugenics

propaganda, the 1997 film Gattaca provides the high-tech eugenics cautionary tale that rings far too true given the innovations of companies like Orchid. In Gattaca, genetic perfectionism and discrimination leads to an impossible. possibly rigid and dystopian class structure, where those children who were born via the genetic privilege of Orchid-like tech lured over the poor untouchables who were birthed the old-fashioned way with all of the genetic risk that that mode entails. Orchid's founder, in that interview with Ross, if you watch all of it, she talks about freedom, she talks about choice, she talks about quote-unquote genetic privilege. She uses the language of progressivism to push a vision

of the world in which we are all flattened into good genes and bad genes. defective and perfected, and humans are handed one more way to divide each other up into worthy and unworthy. Then again, maybe the joke will be on all the IQ-obsessed elite after AI takes over the intellectual jobs and all of us over-educated smarty-pants types are left wishing we'd learned how to be a plumber. Sorry, I'm curious for your thoughts on, did you watch the whole interview, right? Yeah, yeah, I did. I agree with you there, but I actually do think you kind approved the conservative point because the Nigeria thing is, this is our huge debate about immigration. We had it yesterday. Do you know who the vast majority of Nigerian immigrants are?

They're called Igbo Nigerian. And who they are is one of the tribes in Nigeria that has long held success and prioritized education. If all Nigerians came, it's not that they're all stupid. It's not intrinsically genetic. But that's the point that culture does matter. Part of the reason that I emphasize. So you're making the Candace point. Yeah, I am. Culture. Not the McFentis point. No, no, no. That they're just inherently bad. I'm backing you up. on your Nigeria point, but what I am saying, though, is that is a lot of my immigration, like my immigration objection is that the vast majority of people coming here illegally and who, you know, people like, you want to legalize are low-skilled people who barely speak English

and are barely literate in their own language. But we've seen, I mean, if you look at the history of immigration from all sorts of countries, regardless of what skill level they are at when they're coming, I don't doubt that that's the case for Nigeria. No, I know it. story for why you have high attainment. I mean, you also see that Indian immigrants, right? Are disproportionately in the Brahman class or well off, et cetera. But you also see, you know, immigrant populations, outperforming native populations, given their socioeconomic status, kind of across

the board. I mean, in terms of the level of entrepreneurship, in terms of things like college attainment, in terms of even lower crime levels, et cetera. But I think it's proven my point. I think, I don't think so. No, because the people you're talking about are not included in those statistics. Like, for example, the black population. The Haitian population of New York famously outdid many of the native black populations of the United States. They have a huge cultural difference. And look, this is actually a very conservative black talking point about Haitian and Caribbean immigrants are much more family oriented and they didn't experience the same level of destruction. And that was a

huge part of the Harlem Renaissance and all this stuff going back to the 1920s. I, look, I don't believe in a lot of this genetic determinism. I think cultural determinism is everything. But that's part of why I oppose low-skilled immigration coming to the United States because they can't succeed and have not been screened for the same level of success. That's not true that they can't succeed. No, okay. They do succeed. They do succeed.

They can. They can over a hundred year period. We've seen over a hundred year period. Over generations. I mean, we already, anyway, this wasn't supposed to be an immigration debate. I'm curious about your view on the technology. Oh, I'm just like, oh my God, I could not oppose it more, especially because these are the most immoral transhumanist people who don't care.

It's just like the boomer mentality I was talking about. It's literally the same, where it's all about genetic determinism as if that is going to prioritize who you become. IQ famously, Ted Kaczynski had a one, didn't he have a 160 IQ? Which is crazy high. Like top, you know, he's the unabomber. Which proves what? His own mother says that he was left as a little baby for 11 days and that he lost like any of the humanity that he ever had. It kind of proves the, you know, nurture point.

As you backing you up, the highest IQ people ever met, like really, really, really high IQ, probably like top 0.2%. Like way beyond Mensa, freaks, weirdos, absolute, like, mal-sociadjusted. They did the IQ study to Malcolm Gladwell thing, remember, where they followed the highest IQ people in the state of California. And they were like, oh, these are going to be the most. No, it didn't happen. Actually, most of the high IQ people, they had a lot of trouble succeeding in life.

We talked about this when we covered the way that these personal traits are changing for younger generations and how much conscientiousness has fallen off a cliff, that's actually the trait that is most likely to predict life success. I agree. And, you know, your ability to, like, follow through and your determination if you are committed to something. And, you know, the other, like, IQ is kind of junk science to start with. And then the idea that you can, like, I need to look into it more. But some of the science that I saw, too, is even the way they talk about, you know, being able to genetically determine in this way without having other tradeoffs also really seems like jugsides. So, for example, like you may select for high IQ that may also lead to

higher risk of autism. Hasper. You know, and that's, and then, you know, these other traits that may be more important in terms of actually being able to succeed and be functional, et cetera, like you're not, But even putting all of that aside, it's extremely dystopian that we're pretty rapidly moving to a world where the wealthy are sort of like doing this genetic selection. And I don't think it's hard to imagine that there's almost like a new, more rigid, even more rigid class structure based on, you know, who is selected in that way and who's not. So I don't know. I see a lot of this stuff on the table now. And the language that is used in some of these circles, it's not exactly the same, but if you go back and read about the eugenics movement and the way they talked about it, and the way it did come from, you know, the educated, they thought they were using science to, like, better the human race. That's how they framed it.

And you hear that very much echoed with Siddiqui. Now, what I will say is what challenged me in that is obviously I'm pro choice, and I support IVF. And so when Ross asked this question about, like, okay, if you discard these embryos, what have you done? Like, what kind of crime have you committed? Like, if you take them and throw them in the river. It's very uncomfortable. It is very uncomfortable. And when I think about that example of her own mother, who she's saying, I wish that we'd had the text so that my own mother was never born, that's...

No, it's sick. Wild. Look, I have difficulty reconciling it every day. I told you, you know, Denmark celebrates having no people. with Down syndrome. They're like, we've succeeded. We've eliminated down. It's sick. It's disgusting. Right? Iceland. Same thing. They have two to three Down syndrome births per year. And because why? Because they openly encourage government policy. Babies who are down syndrome. I mean, it's sickening. And look, everybody kind of is okay with eugenics in a way because mass societally here in the United

States, look, the Down syndrome abortion rate is probably what, 60 something percent? And if it's, you know, for the, those, I forget exactly, it's very high, I forget exactly what it is, but I'd have to look it up, but I'm trying to think, what is it, spina ditha, you know, some of the other tests that they have on genetic disorders, those abortion rates are like 100%, like, or near the 90s. Everyone in the U.S. softly kind of supports or by choice is participating in eugenicism. And it's like, I don't know, I think about it all the time, because it's like you said, now we're making much more overt cases, like maybe the pro-lifers, We're right. I'm not quite there, but you have to say they do have a point, especially when it comes to eye.

Well, here's what I have to say. Yeah. An embryo is not the same as a baby, right? And that's where the black stork, you know, in that film, it's an actual baby who's been born that the doctor's like, I'm not going to treat. I'm going to effectively murder this baby. That is a different moral question than discarding an embryo, right? I think most people would say that. But that's, but I also can't say that the embryo is nothing, right? I can't say that it's just like, you know, throwing a piece of trash away, right? I can't say that either, especially when you think about, you know, when you really think about that example of like this woman's mother, who she's saying, like, I wish we had had

the tech to destroy that embryo. So we don't have to suffer. And it's like, Jesus Christ, you know, this. And that's the core of a eugenics mentality is the idea that, you know, you know, the idea that, you know, you're worth of society or you don't have inherent humanity, inherent dignity, inherent worth, not because of your hair color, your eye color, or your IQ score, but just because you are. And I don't think you have to be religious to have that view. In fact, I have to say, you know, this is maybe far afield, but in this era when we're watching what's unfolding in Gaza

and like the genocide that's occurring there, it really has made me put just, and as we watch what happening with AI too, just put sort of like support for humanity at the core of my politics and at the core of my values. And that's what to me is so disturbing about this mentality. And you really do see it taking hold in a way that it's like, you know, especially at the highest heights of society where people have money and power and a representative in government, et cetera. I agree. And it's one of those things where I, what I enjoy the most about having a kid was the randomness. People are like, are you disappointed? It wasn't a boy. It's like, yes, if you have a choice. Like, what? But for these people, they actually would have a choice.

That's weird, right? You're losing something in that. There is something magical about, like, you don't even know. I didn't know her, I didn't know what she was until the day she was born. I loved it. I thought it was great. And it's one of those where, you know, you just simply are what you are. Also, I looked at up. The abortion rate for Down syndrome is between 67 and 85% in the United States. I mean, look, we're all, that's full-blown eugenics already. And that's uncomfortable. I think we, And I think more people should actually talk about that in the context of what you're saying. It's probably even much higher for several other genetic screening disorders. And the question has to be, like, what this leads to, the permissibility of it.

IVF, I didn't know this. It is standard in IVF to screen all of the embryos, which is effectively eugenics. So it's not that they're selecting for. It's that if any embryo is genetically, you know, like, I don't know, I guess genetically has issues or whatever. they won't implant them. Yeah. That's eugenics too. Yeah.

That's baked into the IVF system. And Ross is like, you know, much more kind of, he's not anti-genetic IVF, but he's much more. I mean, you have to ask that. Right. If I just explain that to people, everyone should kind of be like, I don't know about that. And his point to her is basically like, okay, people are okay with it when it's, you know, people are struggling with fertility issues. And this is an intervention to allow them, you know, the miracle of parenting when they would

not have been able to have a baby at all. But it is a different question when you're talking about this for basically all of society, where it becomes the fringe weird thing to do to do it the old-fashioned way. And is there something about the human experience that is lost if that's what we're shifting towards? I agree. Any case. It was a good, great monologue. I enjoyed it. Okay, Friday show for everybody tomorrow. See you guys then. Also, this is going to be late as hell. Sorry. Talk about. I'm Noah, and I'm 13, and I started this podcast because, honestly, adults don't ask the right questions. Now You Know with Noah de Barroso is a show about influence.

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