Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 8/22/25: BREAKING: FBI 8RAIDS John Bolton, Mayhem At Dem Townhall, Israel Admits 83% Civilian Deaths
Episode Date: August 22, 2025Ryan, Emily, and Griffin discuss a morning FBI raid on John Bolton's house, violent mayhem breaking out at Wesley Bell's town hall, Gavin Newsom's ongoing meme war, and then we turn to the Israelis ad...mitting their army database shows at least 83% of deaths in Gaza were civilians. To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Good morning, everyone.
How's everybody doing, Ryan and Emily in this very early AM?
I mean, it's earlier for you, man.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's the earliest for the FBI, because the FBI's, they're waking up, they're getting started, and it inspired me to hop out of bed.
Yeah, they had their, they had their Wheaties nice and early and got to John Bolton's house by 7 a.m.
So we'll have details on that coming up.
That's right. You know what?
We're also going to be talking a little bit about Israel.
We're going to be looking at a Wesley Bell town hall and a ruling on alligator alcatraz, as well as more in the fun second half answering AM.
make questions and getting to the stories that would get taken down if we put on the public
YouTube. With that being said, let's just get right into it. It's an early morning. I thought I was
waking up early, but it's actually the FBI that are rising and shining here. So the FBI raided
John Bolton's home, which we've got video of right here. And it has happened early in the
morning. What are we to make this, Ryan and Emily? The Post got the exclusive
on this, which their New York Post is not in Bethesda. So somebody from the administration
clearly tipped them off. What can we learn? What do we, what, what can we pull from from the post?
Right, which by the way, I think it's worth noting that potential tip off is a, and has been
for a long time, a significant point that conservatives have used about the Roger Stone raid.
And Roger Stone has already been posting, of course, but it appeared that CNN got a leak about that
raid. Now, the New York Post says that Bolton has not been arrested and is not charged with any
crimes as a Friday morning, according to an official. But the raid comes after, quote,
years of investigation into the potentially criminal release of information, despite Trump's
First National Security Council assessing it as classified. So remember, John Bolton was Trump's
NSA as National Security Advisor. Now, the post reports, the related investigation began in 2020,
according to this official, the same year Trump's first Justice Department launched a criminal inquiry into Bolton's alleged disclosure of national secrets in his book, The Room Where It Happened, which many people probably remember, because it had a big splashy debut. He was all over most corporate media channels. And now John Bolton is under, I believe his office was rated yesterday as well. So the Biden administration, according to,
the post quashed this particular investigation for what the Trump administration appears to be telling
the post was political reasons. But that's what we're seeing happen. Right now, John Bolton's house
in Bethesda looked like his office in D.C., and then you have Cash Patel posting,
no one is above the law. And Dan Bongino talking about that as well, or posting cryptically
about that as well. So kind of a wild morning in the Beltway.
Yeah, and I'm deeply conflicted here because, you know, I hate to see the FBI weaponized, you know, for political purposes.
I genuinely don't want the United States to become the kind of place where both parties are throwing each other's opponents in prison.
Right.
Like, you know, having covered a lot of countries around the world, the countries that do that don't have the, don't have functional politics.
on the other hand man
John Bolton getting rated
oh boy hard to criticize
that
so yeah
guess we'll just let them
let them fight for now
yeah
I mean that'll be
I mean for people listening
are probably immediately thinking wasn't
Donald Trump himself
claiming that there's a weaponized investigation
into his own
his own allegedly
improper use of, or improper storage of classified information.
We should, of course, underscore how comical that is.
We'll see.
He had bathrooms full of classified information.
He was showing off maps.
He's on, he's on tape saying, no, after he was present.
Right, right, right, right.
But he was.
He's on tape saying, I can't show you this.
I shouldn't even have this.
This is classified.
But here, let me show it to you.
It's like, yes, yes.
Now, John Bolton, of course, obviously,
doesn't have any of the declassification or wouldn't have the declassification powers of
a president. Now, Trump, this is what's sort of ridiculous about the classified document investigation.
So they're into Biden or into Donald Trump is that they could have, they can claim essentially
that they waived a magic wand. And now we didn't really see that play out in court and
declassify it. But, you know, obviously it was this, these classified document investigations
of presidents are insane and weaponized already.
we've already sort of crossed that Rubicon.
And I would argue that Roger Stone Raid was across Rubicon as well,
or was part of crossing that Rubicon as well.
It was not above the Biden administration to do political theater like this.
So here we have John Bolton, America's sweetheart,
finding himself the target of it.
And, you know, at least with the Trump documents,
he kept them in the bathroom so you could flush them in an emergency, right?
So that's actually the safest place to keep them.
John Bolton's probably keeping them in like a safe
which is not safe at all
that's protected, you can't destroy them easily.
A lot of people get that wrong, yep.
Yeah, but I mean, John Bolton was probably
the last year or two, been sky high
because he's dream since he was a little boy
to go to war with Iran.
So it's in a lot of ups and downs for him.
What do we got, throwback here?
Let's do it.
I can't hear it, Emily.
Me neither, I bet.
Okay, if you can't hear it,
it's John Bolton talking openly
about how he has done a few coups.
He correct Jake Tapper, who says it's not easy to do a coup.
And John Bolton says, well, listen, yeah, coups can be done.
Not impossible.
Nothing's impossible if you set your heart and mind and soul to it.
He's run some failed coups, too, which he talked about, yeah, like particularly in Venezuela.
And now he's getting his policy played out by Marco Rubio.
And this is the exact quote.
Papper says, one doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt a coup.
And Bolton responds, I disagree with that.
As somebody who has helped plan coup d'etat, not here, but other places, it takes a lot of work.
So this gets to Ryan feeling personally conflicted about John Bolton, who comes out of, you know, the Cold War new conservative strain of the right.
And this question of extrajudicial conduct when you're on television talking about how you've planned one of
or two coups, you know, maybe it is time for a little comeuppance, whether it's John Bolton or
someone else. I'm all ears to hear what he, what laws he is alleged to have violated.
And it is nice that he's so familiar with carrying out coup d'etat that he would even use
the like French plural pronunciate, you know, the French plural accurately.
It's a good point.
Yeah.
You've got to be pretty deep in the weeds to know that if you've done multiple coups, the plural
would be coup d'etat.
Right.
Yeah.
It's like when a filmmaker
used the word,
Nizonté.
Yeah, coups d'etat, nice.
Attorney General.
Yeah.
Speaking of Attorney General
in your world,
perfect.
So speaking of law and order,
you know,
we also have some
breaking news here
about everyone's
favorite facility.
Alligator Alcatraz,
a federal judge
is giving Florida
60 days to clear out
the immigration detention
facility called
Alligator Alcatraz.
The ruling forbids
state officials
from moving
any other migrants there.
Now, what are the reasons
why this incredible,
functional,
necessary facility
has been shut down?
So the local tribe that
lives there brought this case saying that
the
and the abundance crew,
I wonder if they will rush to the
defense of Alligator
Alcatraz because they brought environmental
concerns. Right. So
as you guys know, I was down there
the week before it was opened and was there as the trucks were going in on a
minute by minute basis and I am I am not an environmental expert but I could just
tell you just from watching it that bringing in generators all of the you know
sewage facilities all of this construction material into a very small wetland
area is going to be destructive to that wet land area.
And so the specific ruling from this judge is that they have to remove all the gasoline,
they have to remove the generators, and they have to move all the all the sewage-related
stuff because clearly it is leaking sewage and gasoline constantly into the wetlands,
which would destroy it for, you know, a generation or two.
and so that is that would of course well the Washington Post report says that would effectively shut the camp down I suppose if they wanted to get you know extraordinarily medieval they could say okay we're going to leave the people here and we just won't have any generators or sewage facility and just this is the judge's fault so she's also saying you can't bring anybody new now Rhonda Santis responding
by saying his comment was the deportations will continue until morale improves so defiant in the
face of the this judicial order so so we'll see I could say on the merits it's quite obvious you
can't build a giant generator powered sewage facility with thousands of people in the middle
of the wetlands without destroying the wetlands well because of the wetlands right yeah the the
tribe the tribal not in my not in my backyard folks I'm hard I'm hard
I'm part of the yes in my swamp.
Yes, in my swam.
Yeah, so what this came down to,
so Friends of the Everglades,
one of the groups that sued.
But the question at hand was like the federal component
of Alligator Alcatraz.
So the judge said that federal immigration enforcement
was, quote, the key driver of Alligator Alcatraz being built.
And so because of that,
it has to be subject to federal environmental laws
and can't be subject to state environmental laws.
So that was the sort of technical workaround.
Well, not work around, but that was sort of the technical aspect.
Yes.
Right.
So we'll see.
I mean, the law is clear on this.
You can't do this.
We'll see if the law matters at all.
It's also kind of sad that like we're not,
it's not being like outlawed because it's like mean or cruel.
It's being outlawed because of like the swamp land creatures
have more humanity than the people were throwing in there.
And also just on the outside of the environmental,
it sounds like very resource intensive
to have like a gulag in the middle of the nowhere.
Like I know it's like it's part of the, part of the fantasy.
It's like we're going to throw them out into the middle of nowhere.
It reminds me how in LA there's always been these dreams by Rick Caruso
to build like a homeless encampment like in the desert
just because it sounds cool to like throw everybody in the desert.
But then it sounds like it's costing a lot more money.
But I know, you know, we're seeing more and more of these alligator alcatrazes pop up in other states that are not in swamp areas.
And they all have, like, cute little names.
Like, do you guys know any of their names, though?
The Nebraska.
The Cornhusker clink or something?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, we, at DropSite, we obtained from FEMA source the cost of this one.
I believe it was $660 million for the first year.
So you can do the math on the relatively small number of.
people that will be housed there and it's just an incredible amount of money per person
to house them in these utterly deplorable conditions which also put them at risk like these
hurricanes that form in the gulf so i mean also the ones that form the Caribbean but the ones that
form in the gulf of whatever you want to call it you know they can hit the keys in in a matter
of days. And evacuating that many people would be effectively impossible in such a scenario. And so
yeah, it's a disaster waiting to happen and ongoing. Well, big question of what happens to everybody
who's there now. So the disdance administration, I think, to its discredit, has not allowed
journalists access since they had cameras the first time when Trump toured with Chrissy Nome. But
since then, we haven't seen inside alligator alcatraz. We've heard reports through lawyers and
such, but what happens to all of the people in there right now is a big open question. And I just
my dissent from both of you, or my quick dissenting take from both of you would be that we have
a truly massive number of people who are going to need to be processed. I mean, if the Trump administration
the Biden administration net, according to David Leonhardt, the New York Times, about 8 million immigrants over the course of his four years as president.
Not all of them illegal by any means, some of them on asylum cases, but there are many, many people who then, you know, unless you do a path to citizenship, which is politically almost impossible for the right to do, then have to be processed.
And so there is a, I mean, a serious question of how to do that humanely in a way that's not dropping people in the swamp.
So that's, I mean, I don't think there's a lot of concern on the right now for how to do that humanely.
I don't think there's a lot of, yeah.
Right.
But if you're, if they're, you know, if they're talking about addressing it seriously, this is also not a serious answer in the sense that if there are eight million.
people and you can put a thousand of them at alligator alcatraz you would need i just did the
calculator right here you would need 8,000 of these concentration camps around the country
running at all running at all times if each one of them is 600 million dollars um let's see
people can check my math here but that this looks like what four trillion so wow and
You're also going to run out of cute nicknames by, like, number 10.
And then you're just going to have to start using numbers.
I think they've already run out of cute nicknames.
But that was kind of the point that I was making is that, like, you can expand alligator alcatraz, and it doesn't actually, you can expand it to all of the different states.
That's not actually even putting a dent in really what you need to do.
What they wanted it to do was make a point, which is why they wanted to use the Alcatraz name for the purposes of self-deportation.
And I do want to point out this other New York Times story, there was this really interesting
release of Pew data that found between January and June.
So just January and June of this year, the immigrant population in the United States,
I think I can share it, declined by almost one and a half million, which will likely, of course,
bolster the Trump administration's claims that self-deportations are being fueled by some of
these tactics.
What was that number?
What was that again?
What was that number?
One and a half million from January to June.
So in just stuff left.
It's just a decline in the immigrant population.
It's Pew, so they're surveying the population they can't tell completely, but yes.
Yeah, but yeah, that tracks to me, like immigrant communities, particularly like the
social media in immigrant communities is nonstop fear.
It's nonstop images of raids and windows being smashed
and people being beaten on the ground.
And so it would track to me that not only do you have very few people coming in,
that people are just going to be leaving, self-deporting, as Romney put it.
Right.
Yeah.
And it just seems like everything's designed for social media,
you know, whether it's like the DC people only, you know,
taking National Guard photo shoes in front of like the Lincoln Memorial or you know
these sort of highlighted kind of brutal social media videos but then when to Emily's point when it
comes down to like the raw numbers of like what you'd have to do uh that seems to be still a big
question of how they do any of that in reality or if they're just going to rely on these sort of
propaganda videos to kind of feed the hogs well it's the videos and like
They are also doing CBP Home, which offers like a $1,000 travel stipend for people to,
if we borrow Mitt Romney's verbiage, self-deport.
And they feel like they've had a good, they feel like that's been working for them.
And I guess the Pew study would confirm that, but it's a combination of the carrot and the stick,
which is the financial incentive will make it easy, as they say to help you book a flight
and leave, which also, I think, if you want to.
come back, you don't get penalized. So if you try to go through legal pathways in the future,
if you use CBP home, you don't get penalized as part of that. And then also ratcheting up the imagery
and talking about things like alligator, Alcatraz, as part of it. It's the current and stick program.
Meanwhile, real quickly, I was talking to a contractor here in D.C. yesterday who said two of his
carpenters didn't show up for work yesterday.
And, you know, most contractors work with subcontractors, and the subcontractors are the ones
that are tasked with, you know, verifying immigration status.
And that's where it's in the subcontractor level that a lot of this, where a lot of people
without documents end up, you know, getting work.
And his point was, you know, you want me to hire a white or black carpenter who has legal
paperwork here.
I'm happy to.
show me one like what's what's the plan here this is a generational problem like what's what's your
what's your what's your step two in this plan here so you've successfully you've successfully scared
these people out oh from coming to work or leaving or into leaving the country was there a single
penny and build back better for uh trade schools not build back better big beautiful bill
big beautiful bill um you know there might have been something it's
certainly was not a priority, certainly was not something that they said, you know, we're going
to train a generation of Americans to do the kinds of jobs that we're telling them that
they, we want them to do. It looks like they expanded 529s to include trade schools.
So, okay, so that's the most Kamala Harris thing ever. So you can go to, so 529s, that's where
you can get a tax break for putting, for putting money.
away for your kid to go to school.
So now they expand that to trade school.
Now, if you open it in a disadvantaged neighborhood that has been, you know, majority white.
So let's do DEI for, you know, white people.
And it has and it insists on doing subsidized business with Israel for three years.
Then you can get this tax break towards trade school.
That would be, I guess, the Republican version of the, of the, of the, of the country.
Kamala Harris approach to education reform.
So, yeah, so tinkering at the edges of 529s is not a remotely serious, like,
way to develop a generation of, you know, carpenters and electricians and all the kinds
of people that we are brutalizing and trying to drive out of the country.
So I guess good luck to us.
I'm excited.
I'm excited to see all the new buildings that pop up over the next couple years.
It's going to be by failed son, college-educated people who can't get a job at Quiznos.
They're going to be putting up my house.
I mean, I even know people here in L.A. that work in construction, my brother works on houses.
And what a lot of places do, not at my brother's sites, but at a lot of sites I hear is
the guys have to now, like, either park their cars down the street or park their cars in the
backs of the houses. And they have to, like, tape up the windows to kind of,
obscure inside working on these homes.
Yeah, I talk to some workers
that they used to meet on a corner
because they were all going to the same place
and now they stay in their homes
and they dash out
when each get picked up like home by home.
This is a chart that shows
the foreign-born share of the workforce declining
and the native-born chair of the workforce increasing.
Now, this is, again, like, I want to be clear that all of this stuff is, like, loaded with, to the point that you were making, Ryan, consequences that are not even, there's basically nothing that you can do. It's generational. It's not like a wave of magic wand, and you increase the share of the domestic workforce, and everyone's suddenly taking apprenticeships and everything's fine. That's not the case.
And it's only, it's only, and there was actually, there were, there's tons of money for apprenticeships.
in build back better, which I bet they
ripped that out.
But it's only generational if you
actually invest in it. If you don't, then
the next generation, we're not going to have
like we're not going to have
the carburetors of electricians then either.
Like people think that this stuff is just going to happen, but
we could also just
go into rapid and
long term decline
as a country. Like that is also a thing.
Well, that's already happened. We're choosing.
Yeah. But it's nice to have options
in the table. I was an anecdote of
I have heard, I'm not a gig work
apologists in any way whatsoever.
I have, though, heard that was a problem
for people,
Native-born people who were looking for gig work
had actually a problem
doing that in recent years. And just
anecdotally, that seems to have changed here in D.C.
In the two-week experiment we've had
with this federal takeover, so
I don't, that's just gig work.
That's not, you know, skill trades construction.
Like getting more, like they're getting
more Uber Eats, deliveries,
Yeah.
Because that might be.
Yeah.
But yes, but that's the kind of thing
that doesn't need years of investment
to learn how to swing an hammer, right?
For most people, it's not their ideal work situation.
It's not great.
It's precarious.
Yeah.
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There was a tussle, a dust-up, if you will,
at the St. Louis Police and Security.
We're calling for Rep. Wesley Bell at a town hall.
Here's a video from one constituent
who filmed some of the assault,
and by the end is getting thrown to the ground themselves.
Yeah, and I could add a little bit of background here too.
So this was the town hall held by Wesley Bell who defeated Cory Bush in that contentious primary.
As Bush and other constituents who were at this said, so it was tense.
You know, Bell did everything he could to stack the audience, you know, requiring tickets.
And, you know, it was not a free-for-all.
But still, like, most of the people there were pretty hostile to him.
And so after...
And hostile for what reason, Ryan?
Israel, Israel.
Like, yelling at him about Israel.
And he kept, and he was defending, like, you know, calling them, you know,
what are you supporters of October 7th or whatever.
So after the event, after the event.
For people who are, not to interrupt, Ryan, but for people who are just hearing the audio here,
I mean, there are large men graduate.
women by their hair and throwing them to the ground and throat um and so at the end of the event bell
tells them i'm i got to go talk to the media in the back i'm going to do some interviews and then i'll
come out and speak with people um so bell leaves and then immediately all the security starts attacking
these constituents saying the town hall's over you got to leave and that and that's how this
event unfolded that you just that you just witness and so now i saw an alderman shared that gory bush also
shared that saying what was he bell has questions to answer here did like did he tell them to
stay and then order the his his security to get them out did he lie to them basically and set
them up for this for this physical confrontation um so bell is vulnerable and corey bush is
has clearly been publicly flirting with a with a rematch against him a lot of a lot of news
about bell and about his tenure as a prosecutor and
in St. Louis broke after he won the election,
including sexual harassment allegations,
allegations of inappropriate,
like romantic relationships with staff.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
So, and also, you know,
we're now two years into this genocide,
two years deeper.
And so the climate is different,
perhaps, for Bush.
So I think, I think,
I think Bell is vulnerable.
Yeah. And I mean, like, just to give people a little context for people who don't remember everything about Wesley Bell, he, APAC went all in on his race to unseat Cory Bush. The APAC tracker here claims that he's gotten over $12 million from the Israel lobby. I was reading something that like almost two-thirds of all of Wesley Bell's donations were like directly from APAC or like APAC affiliated people.
So this was just one of the most egregious, like, thumb-on-the-scale races we've seen since the Jamal Bowman one.
Is that right, Ryan?
Yes, that's the second most they've ever spent to knock somebody out.
And her race was close, much closer, 4,000 votes, I think.
Was it insane.
And Bowman.
Bowman got, you know, trounced, whereas Bush only lost by, yeah, a few thousand votes.
So this could this could be an interesting race.
I mean, it is just this is one of the most illustrative A-PAC examples.
It's like you're talking about a district in the St. Louis area that needs to have what, how much, 12 million?
12 million.
$12 million.
$12 million.
Coming to prevent one vote and one voice.
on one issue that has that is not a domestic issue right like does money mean anything to you guys like that you can just drop 12 million to apeck no they're already there are the first couple it would be enough paul singer's already a million deep into the thomas massey primary yeah like a primary yeah Kentucky is massy going to win that yes because they're throwing everything at him right i mean they've got trump's team is out there yeah i think i think i think you'll be
be fine um but i don't know maybe it's worth a trip maybe i'll maybe i'll do that check it out yeah
and it's also especially uh egregious to see that amount of money thrown in and kind of you know
democrats just kind of looking the other way on it y'all he's just another congressman like
everyone else and it's like okay sure i mean in another little bit of uh democrat news here i did
want to uh bring up and get y'all's reactions to something happening over in minnesota um
where the Minnesota DFL have revoked their party's endorsement of state Senator Omar Fata.
Is it Fata?
Yeah.
In the Minneapolis mayor's race.
Now, this guy is, is he DSA?
He's like out and out, out of the closet, socialist.
Yeah, he's, I don't know if he's, I think he's TSA, but he's definitely, yeah, he's, he would not be offended at being called a socialist.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And so they, I guess, endorse.
and then decided to pull that back,
which kind of is, it's just a fascinating one as well
because it's like, it's such a, you know,
it's the mayor of Minneapolis,
and it's just like, okay, the Democrats just, they don't care.
This is still like an old litmus test that they're applying,
because did he make any statements on Israel,
or is it just his socialist bona fides?
Well, so they're saying,
I don't know how close you've looked into it, Emily.
I haven't had a chance to dive into the weeds.
They're saying that they discovered an irregularity
in the way that the Excel spreadsheet was handled
during the caucus
that this one candidate was deleted from one of the rounds of voting
and that that made the whole thing unfair.
I think there might be more in the weeds.
There's some people who were just straight up accusing him
of like fraudulently messing
with the spreadsheet somehow.
Others are saying,
no, that this was an error.
This is the party's error.
Either way, they
took all of the controversy around it
and said,
all right, well, we're just tossing
the whole thing out.
Now, the Minnesota Democratic establishment
has wanted to nuke these,
these caucuses ever since.
It became clear that the left
was,
had become able to out-organize
the establishment at these caucuses.
They're very, very confusing caucuses.
You have to go to like multiple different events.
You go to one and then you, you know, get your delegates and then the delegate and then
you organize those delegates and then you go to another caucus.
It's like, it's more than just like an Iowa caucus.
It's like this months long organizing effort.
And the more passionate you are, then the more you're, the better you're going to do in this.
And it turns out the left wing of the Minnesota Party is more passionate than the establishment is.
And so they've been out organizing them.
So they've really wanted to get rid of these, you know, for a pretty long time.
And yeah, they like the party kind of establishment leadership just does not want Fata to be the nominee.
That's just it's it's not a coincidence that their views on the irregularities lined up with their position here.
But for what reason in particular?
What is the great threat of this Minneapolis mayor candidate?
I mean, for one, it's probably, you know, race.
Like, this, he would be the first Somali American to be mayor of the city.
I'm sure there's some, like, resistance to that there.
But then also the, you know, socialist politics.
They want more of a Jacob Frey, like, seems kind of radical, but is,
totally amenable to the business community.
Ryan, can you maybe give more context on some of the stuff that's happened with DFL recently?
Because I actually think there have been, like, there is, there are serious allegations of chicanery and fraud stuff with DFL in recent years.
Haven't there been?
It's been a source of some drama.
Has it been a source of more drama than most state parties?
The head of it is now the district.
chair of the DNC, Ken Martin.
So that's interesting as well.
There was the feeding our future thing.
That was like the Biden and FBI was looking into that.
And I think people from DFL were wrapped up in it, but that might.
And then the FBI was investigating their endorsement process.
Yeah, anyway, like you said, that's kind of not that unusual for state parties, but.
Emily, let's keep following this lead.
I think the FBI should maybe raid some of the DFL,
find out what's going on.
No one's above the law.
So, you know.
I was going to say John Bolton can take over the DFL.
Nice. Okay.
So in that case, you know, I wanted to get,
while we're on Democrats and infighting
and the socialist candidates,
we had to talk about Graham Platner
just for a quick second here.
Graham Platner kind of came out of nowhere with this campaign video that people have been sharing around.
It kind of went viral.
He's running against Susan Collins here in Maine.
Let's take a listen to that.
And then let's get y'all's reactions.
I have never met people who are more scrabble, even in a place that requires you to work like two or three different jobs.
We have watched this state become essentially unlivable for working class people.
And it makes me deeply angry.
My name is Graham Plattener, and I'm running for U.S. Senate in Maine to defeat Susan Collins,
a decade of military service going overseas, farming oysters to feed my community,
diving to lend a hand to other fishermen, trying to start a family.
But everywhere I've gone, it seems like the fabric of what holds us together
is being ripped apart by billionaires and corrupt politicians,
profiting off of destroying our environment, driving our families into poverty, and crushing the middle class.
so that's a taste of it uh graham planer running against a republican susan collins in maine what are we to make of this
well turns out um this this has never happened for me before it turns out i knew graham so so graham grew up in maine uh then joined the military um did i think four tours over ten years or something uh and then went to gw which
Maybe Emily knew him.
I mean, I could see probably a little before your time.
So he went to college at George Washington University,
never, didn't actually finish, which to me is another feather in the cap of the.
Yeah, that is really the best way to go to George Washington University.
But while he was there to help pay for it, he tended barred to tune in,
which which was my home away from home for many years back in the 2000s.
Chicken balls.
So when I saw this, I was like, wait a minute.
I know Graham
I texted the other bartender
Ned
and I was like
is this the same Graham
he's like yeah Graham's running for
Senator
this is awesome
yes he is
so
wild so he'd be the second
bartender maybe to come to Congress
the race is
this guy Jordan Wood
who we can talk
about more. I'll have a story on him next
week, more of a conventional-ish
candidate. Janet Mills
is the
Democratic governor of Maine, and everybody
is kind of waiting for her to decide
whether or not she's going to run.
She would be 79
when she took office, which would make her
the... Spring chicken for the Senate, but still
the oldest
freshman senator ever
in Senate history. So if you're
setting age records in the Senate
you're old
and also
the Senate
is a place of seniority
and so like
you know
it takes
you know
they basically
don't talk to you
in the Senate
until you've won
your second
until you've won
re-election
so she would be
85
when her colleagues
started to engage
with her
like what do you
come on Democrats
like run the
and you know
she's
she's fine, like, I think she's like minus four or something, approval rating.
So it's not like people like despise her, but it's not like they love her either.
Brunning her would just be the like, oh, this is what we do.
We take the governor, we put her up and we see what happens.
And now this grand platinum is offering them a different path.
And I think it would make it very easy for them to say yes to if he,
he's, if he said, if he's talked in a more passive voice, like our, you know, our environment's
being destroyed, our, the fabric of our community is being ripped apart.
Democracy.
Yeah.
Democracy is at risk.
It's when he adds by billionaires.
Yep.
That the party's like, oh.
This is.
Do we really have to, do we really have to be so rude about, about how it's happening?
Let's just, let's just talk about the fact that it is happening and it's bad.
Do we really have to name them?
Well, but do you, yo, go ahead.
I was going to say, I think that actually is like the fine line between Gavin Newsom adopting this new strategy of like looking like you're punching Republicans in the nose and then actually executing on that, which is you have to be able to talk about the system itself being fundamentally broken, but not in those sort of vague terms about the system is not working.
You need to say why the system is not working.
You need to have a platform.
So, like, you can, you can raise money and you can boost your name recognition by trolling Trump on social media.
But that doesn't mean you're going to, like, suddenly, this is what Matt Bennett, and I know we're going to talk about third way.
He called it, quote, combative centrism.
He says Democrats need a combative centrist.
Well, if centrism looks like Dan Osborne, yes, if centrism, if combative centrism or Graham Platner, but if combative centrism looks like Gavin Newsom,
talking a little bit more like a populist while also still taking all the PG&E money and
doing whatever he wants with it. That is the, I really feel like actually, Ryan, that's such
an important point because that's like the fine line between looking like a populist and actually
being a populist. And I don't think Dems are prepared for how far short just looking like a
populist goes. I mean, ask J.D. Vance. Yeah. And Griffin, do we have the morning Joe?
I'm going to pull that up in a second because while you're, while you're looking for that,
I'll decide the point that the path for him, too, could be the Bernie route and the Osborne route, which is, so Bernie always runs in the Democratic primary so that nobody can win the nomination. And then he rejects the nomination and runs as an independent.
So you could, I could imagine Graham doing that, that like, if he wins, because Angus King is an independent senator from Maine. Like, Maine is a different kind of state that has a real independent streak to it.
They were the hipsters when it came to this.
Now, it's cool now, but they were, they've been doing it forever.
So you can imagine a world in which he's like, look, I'm not even necessarily a Democrat here.
I'm running in the Democratic primary, but doesn't mean I love this party.
Sure.
And if, and if he wins the nomination, he can decline it and then run as an independent, which that, that I think is, that is their way of beating Susan Collins.
like they've they've tried the
Sarah Gideon the last candidate had
75 million dollars
and finished with more than 12 million in the bank
she had another 50 million in Super PAC money
Susan Collins had just as much
and she got beaten by like six points or something
she was the Speaker of the House like that
they they keep running these like
it's my turn Democrats against Susan Collins
and people are like
Collins is kind of a phony
and a fraud but so is this person
and Collins is a hard worker and charming in person
and knows everybody in Maine
and so you have to
you can't just do a Susan Collins light
to beat Susan Collins
you need a real contrast and she
that was the Gideon race was after the Kavanaugh vote
and this time Collins voted against the one big
beautiful bell so it's
Right and people are a little tired of that stick
Graham had a good line about her.
He's like, the only difference between her and Ted Cruz is
Ted Cruz is honest about, you know, how he's selling you out.
But did you know, did you see that she, I think, to me, made a mistake?
She has already, like, criticized him by name over his, over his position on Gaza,
which he, you know, he called it a genocide and said that, you know,
the U.S. needs to change its policy towards, towards Israel.
and she's really got her finger to the wind on that one.
Yeah, she went after him over that.
Mills and Collins.
Collins did.
Collins did.
Collins went after Graham Platner over it.
It's like, I don't know if this is your move.
Like you really want to elevate this guy?
Be careful.
Hasn't she already gotten?
You really want to make this race about, about Gaza?
Like, I think this was in Politica,
but I think Susan Collins already has Dems,
dem donors lining up behind her.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah, they would rather, yeah, they'd rather do that.
But some Dems are starting to get a little bit,
they're starting to get a little warm for him.
We've got a morning Joe clip here.
Ryan mentioned, Ryan mentioned that, you know,
the passive voice that Graham should adopt.
But I think Graham's greatest skill is his voice.
No, no, I don't think he should.
No, no, I don't think he should adopt it.
I think it's the thing that the party would like him to adapt.
Yeah, but you mentioned that that's what the party would like.
But his deep bravado, I think, is his greatest superpower here.
And I think he can let him get away with anything.
As we can see, it's already, it's already wooed our friends over at Morning Joe.
Let's take a listen.
Right here to the, yeah, part of the MSX, B.O, now plus or whatever it is.
I saw an ad out of Maine.
I saw an ad out of Maine.
Whoa.
That's what, like, that's one of the most effective ads.
I have seen in a long time, and that's a Democrat, who's being himself, but also is very
clearly saying, no, no, no, the flag's not your symbol.
No, no, no.
A bad working dude in a black t-shirt is not just, you know, you're symbol.
Like, there are a lot of hardworking people out here who think you all are acting crazy
right now, and it's really, it's the authenticity, and it's something you and I don't
talked about too you know all the focus groups you want you walk into a room you either know you
people in that room either know you're one of them or you're not and the candidate you mentioned
in maim graham platner uh is and i'll just read his bio here on his excite combat veteran
friend of the working mainer foe of the oligarchy sunk six five let's go um you know it's funny
it's like out of all the things you know he didn't like that he was anti oligarchy anti-billionaire
he liked that he was a hunk
he was salivating over this guy
he was like the biceps the vibe
I just know the bartender
that you that you respect that you want to
earn the respective when you come to the bar
it's it's running the Federman
strategy again in the sense that
when Federman was
a left wing candidate
a populist left wing candidate that
people would come after him
and try to tar him
with all the same you know things
that they would try to hit AOC with
And it just, it just didn't scan because people would be like, well, look at him.
He looks like, yeah, this American dude, he's like, he's like a cool bartender, like, yeah, it's not going to stick.
And yeah, the morning Joe is just, they're just like, yeah, they think he's hot.
Wait, wait until they realize it's another vote for Medicare for all.
Wait till they realize it's another vote.
That was their problem with Fetterman at the time.
And they couldn't quite figure out how to, because they're so caught up in their cultural
politics, they're just, they just love so much that he's a veteran and can kind of like
grab the flag that they're so all in that they can't, they have nothing to then say about
the substance of his politics.
They're stuck.
Well, this, I mean, this brings us back to Dan Osborne, who was running against Deb Fischer,
someone that morning Joe would absolutely bear hug anytime I'm sure they saw her in an airport
lounge, I should say, because they wouldn't just be meandering around the airport. But
he was really clever on the culture stuff. And that's a huge question for Graham.
Maine has had a lot of controversy over transports. And Janet Mills in particular has become a focus
of the Trump administration. That has made a lot of waves in Maine recently.
And so that is sort of the next bridge to cross.
Bernie AOC, obviously, have gone on the fighting oligarchy tour and downplayed a lot of that
and actually attacked it to the extent that they've addressed it, attacked it by saying
it's a distraction.
It's trying to divide working people.
And those lines, I think, are effective.
Dan Osborne, when we interviewed him last year, Ryan, had, I thought of, you know, you could tell
it wasn't focus group or anything, I think, which is why it was effective, a really strong
answer when we asked him about abortion. And when we talked to him about some of the
culture war questions. So on the one hand, this sort of like combative centrist, it just shows
how our category for what centrism is is totally confounded. Like it doesn't, we don't really,
like, we know what they want centrism to be. But for the average voter, it's something that feels
more like anti- oligarchy, common sense policies. But it's not like this neat left, right,
center that Morning Joe would want it to be. And I think they're probably in for a little bit
of a rude awakening when they find out. And Gavin Newsom too, by the way, when they find out
what voters who like you punching Republicans and those actually want to see you do.
Yeah. And an oyster man? Like, how lucky could Democrats get that Graham? No, the only part
that's unlucky for them is his politics,
you know, that he agrees more with me than he does with them.
But from a biography perspective, you know,
they got a combat veteran and an oyster man who's born and raised in Maine,
like, and is willing to call himself a Democrat, not many of those.
Seriously.
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And so yeah, it's like, you know,
Democrats, they need fighters, but
you know, they really only want fighters
who meme. As we see
they're much more comfortable with
Newsom and in his meme war.
We've got a side here from Harry Enten
showing that the memes are
working, folks. Let's take a listen.
I think it actually
has been working in terms of generating attention, which is what he's trying to do, right?
I mean, take a look here. Let's take a look right at the at-gov press office followers on X.
That's, of course, where you get those sort of the account where Newsom post those Trump-style mocking types of tweets.
Get this. That account, get this.
Up 450% in terms of the number of followers since mid-June.
And it's not just on Twitter, X, where Newsom is gaining.
Even on TikTok and Instagram, his followers are up over a million since January alone.
my goodness gracious. And more than that, Laura, more than that, what about Google? What about
those Google searches for him? Get this daily Google searches for Gavin Newsom up like a rocket.
What are we talking about? Since June 1, up 1, 300 percent compared to August 1st. Look at that,
up 500 percent. So the bottom line is in politics, especially if you're thinking of entering in
2028. It's all about generating attention. And so far Gavin Newsom has done a good job at generating
attention. And, you know, the one thing I want to mention before Tina for you guys,
your reaction is like, you know,
seeing how, quote, unquote,
almost like unhinged
some of the Gavin Newsom press office meme
has become, it makes other people
that we think of in 2028 look downright,
like timid.
Like, it makes AOC look like humble and timid
and reserved.
And it's almost like, oh, like,
AOC would need to like really crank up her rhetoric
in a way that it's like almost we've been told
people like Kirsch had toned down.
on their rhetoric, but it seems like almost the opposite here with Newsom.
What do you all make of that?
Oh, well, I just was like, it's going, I actually ran this by a Republican strategist.
And I was like, this is, you know, I think the Newsom posts have gone from the Alec Baldwin impression
of Trump to the Shane Gillis impression of Trump.
So that's something.
His Cracker Barrel post was genuinely pretty artful.
But all that is to say, it's great right now for fundraising.
And I sent it to a Republican strategist friend who is like,
because I was kind of like skeptical.
I was like this is basically I sent him
this playbook article that was drooling
over Gavin Newsom a couple of
days ago about how he was like
the great hope of the Democratic Party
and I was like this is so stupid and
the person I sent it to the Republican strategy
was like actually no this is what you need
to do if you position yourself for a primary
because it's name recognition
it's Google searches
it's donors and it's
particularly donors
and so if you can build up goodwill
with Democratic voters who then recognize your name and then the donor class starts throwing money
at you, you make connections that are helpful in a primary and you come in with a little bit
of a war chest. And so, yes, to that extent, I think it is successful. Like, all of that, great.
But what does it mean that he's doing, he picked a redistricting fight, which, I mean, is it's talking about, like, this is raw,
But it's not something that is actually fundamentally attacking the system itself, as we were just discussing.
And I think Gavin Newsom is in for a rude awakening if a year and a half from our whatever, we're talking primary time.
And he's out in Iowa, New Hampshire, talking about redistricting and not the oligarchy that has metastasized in his own state because of the rocket fuel that he's poured on it.
So, yeah, I mean, it's working in a political sense, but I don't know that it's working in a sort of deeper sense.
Yeah, I don't think you're going to get Gavin Newsom talking about the millionaires and the billionaires.
Nope.
But I think Democratic primary voters will take whoever they think is going to win.
Like they're, they're, they exist.
Yeah.
And it's existential to them.
And so if they think that Gavin Newsom's a fighter against Republicans.
that he can take on, he can make fun of Vance and DeSantis and Marco Rubio and Trump himself if he figures out some way to fake run for another term, then that's going to be enough to get through the primary. So yeah, I agree with the Republican strategist. Like his goal, he's not, his goal right now is not to win the general election. His goal is to be the nominee. And then once you're the nominee, you've got a coin toss chance of being president.
yeah okay very interesting well i wanted to get to this um before we get to our second paywall
half wanted to make sure we talked a little about this um there has been a new reporting from
the israeli army database suggesting at least 83% of the gaza dead were civilians classified
intelligence from may reveals israel believed it had killed 8,900 militants in gaza
indicating a proportion of civilian slaughter
with few parallels in modern warfare.
Now, Ryan, like, I know you have looked into these numbers more,
and I guess my first question is like,
hey, this is just from the Israeli Army database,
which they've admitted on air.
I mean, I've seen them admit it, like, multiple times on Pierce Morgan
and on other sites, that they're not exactly sure.
And they're not always tracking the amount of death.
And there's also been, you know, from I think the view of our show, probably an undercount on the amount of deaths because there's still so many people buried under rubble and stuff like that.
So what is what does all of that add into this already very bleak calculation?
And so Yuvall Abraham, one of the authors of this of this Guardian 972 piece, you know, says, you know, has said publicly and says the piece that it is their assessment that this is a,
that even this is a significant undercount,
that the number is probably over 90% civilians
rather than 83% because effectively what the IDF does
is anybody who's a fighting age and is a male,
and they define fighting age extraordinarily liberally,
like 16-ish to basically, you know, well into your 60s,
if not higher.
If they kill you, then they'll put you in this,
probably at minimum they'll put you in this probably a militant category which which they
included in this thing so basically any any man who's over like 16 who they kill you know
they're they're putting into this calculation even even given that they're only getting to this
you know 17% um figure now the israeli PR response to this was okay these are people we've identified
as terrorists will look it's not totally accurate you've identified them as potentially being that
which sometimes your identification just goes on the fact that they're a male like on is al-shrif
like he would be factored into this most of the journalists that they've killed um they would
be they would they would be included in this militant figure even though that's a even though that's
false um they're saying you know if people pop out of a tunnel and we shoot them like we don't know
their name, but we know that they're a combatant. So that that should count as a
combatant. The problem there is that while they don't know their name, the Ministry of Health
eventually gets their name when that person goes to the morgue or the hospital, and then they get
included on the paperwork that they put out every day. And then the IDFCs that name and says, oh, that's
a 20-year-old male. We're counting them. Whether we know anything about them or not, we're counting
them. So basically, from all of the research that we've done, what we can tell is that they are
counting every single remotely fighting age male as a combatant and then doing their
calculations from there and still winding up at genocidal levels of slaughter.
Which is like, you know, we've been told for the last two years it's the greatest military
ratio ever done by a modern
army. Although they barely say that anymore
if you've noticed. Right.
They made the most moral army in the world.
They've basically dropped that line.
You almost never hear that anymore.
But Griffin, for you and I, this is, you know,
to me, it's personal because it's like
nobody's standing up for a civilian
men. Like, you know, if
we were in Gaza and
we go to a
try to fill up buckets of water
and bring them back to the family,
family and we're killed along the way, we would get listed as combatants just because we're men.
Yeah.
And anybody knows me knows that that would be false.
No fighting going on here.
Unless you're at a bar.
Unless someone at a bar.
Unless someone, unless a fox de facto steals yourself on.
That's different.
Yeah.
That's a real story.
You can Google it.
Yeah.
This is one of the things that is going to,
We all know this, but one of the things it's going to be that's going to probably age the most poorly is the number conversation.
Yeah.
Like that, it is becoming clearer and clear.
And actually, you know, coming from the right, I fully understand people's skepticism.
I get it.
Fine.
But at this point, there's just so much evidence.
Yeah.
It's also, like, frustrating because it's like, you know,
the last two years have been spent
talking about the protesters
not understanding
overblowing it
and I'm sorry like I'm not a fucking war expert
I don't know any of this stuff
but when you see like the amount of destruction
and they tell you it's only this many people
it's like I'm sorry like that's absolutely ridiculous
and so yes turns out
the protesters were right
they're killing basically everyone they can see
and I doubt that
many people are going to have to ever own up to that fact because they're just, I mean,
in the milieu of news, everyone's just going to kind of pretend like they weren't denying that for two
years.
And meanwhile, I'll put, I'll put this one up.
So this is the BBC about as is really friendly and outlet as you're going to get.
And the headline here, famine confirmed in Gaza for first time, UN back report.
So to get an official designation of a famine.
takes an extraordinary amount of evidence.
And so while people have been colloquially using the phrase famine for at least several weeks,
dating back to like April or April, May, it was March when Israel cut off, March 2nd when Israel cut off all food and then kept it cut off for two months and then led in a trickle after that.
So people have been throwing around the term famine colloquially since then.
But now they've designated as, I'll just read this,
the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, IPC,
which is used by governments and international bodies to identify hunger levels around the world,
has raised its classification to Phase 5, the highest and most severe.
It says over half a million people across the Gaza Strip are facing catastrophic conditions
characterized by starvation, destitution, and death.
And it goes on elsewhere to say that even a matter of days that go by without immediate surging of nutritional support and medical support will lead to irreversible damage for, you know, as they're saying, 500,000 people at like immediate risk.
And so this is this is the step that people were hoping would not be reached because because it's such a
high bar to clear kind of logistically and bureaucratically for the IPC to actually come out and say
that we're at phase five, that it's reflective of, you know, just an utterly extraordinary
situation. Yeah, and you said, you know, they're not using the, they're not really debating the
numbers as much anymore in the Israeli spokespeople aren't mentioning that they're a moral army anymore.
So certain American media influencers have sort of said,
don't worry, we'll take up the mantle.
We'll handle it all from here.
People like the free press still going on doing these insane articles
like this woman, Olivia Reinbold, who is complaining
that her article is saying there's no starvation in Gaza,
now she's losing childhood friends because of it,
and she's the real victim here.
And we're going to go to the second half now,
but we do have some, I want to bring up
some conservative American influencers
have been sent to Gaza
to prove that starvation is not real.
A lot of these guys are associated with,
what's it called?
The learning one.
Prager you.
The learning one.
Yeah, they're sending their best.
We're going to look at that in the second half.
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