Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 9/10/25: Trump Responds To Israel Qatar Strike, Saagar Breaks Down Full Epstein Book

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

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Okay, Doha. Doha. We're going to start with the Doha attack, shall we? We, this is, obviously, we had breaking news yesterday, literally in the middle of our segment with Jeremy Scahill. We could not have a better person on the show to break all of that down with absolutely major consequential attack by Israel on some Hamas leaders who are in Doha, the chief negotiators, actually, for the ceasefire. We're going to break down everything that we know both about the attack and some of the geopolitical fallout, the White House signaling themselves away from the attack, although not really doing anything about it. Pretty feckless, if you ask me. We're going to talk about Epstein.

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He did not have any advance. But was he caught by surprise? He says he's never surprised by anything. So here's what he had to say. But we are not thrilled about the way that went down today. We don't talk about you in advance with the president of Israel telling you in advance. So you were caught by surprise, sir? I'm never surprised by any.

thing, especially when it comes to the Middle East. I'll be giving a full statement tomorrow, but I would tell you this. I was very unhappy about it, very unhappy about every aspect. And we got to get the hostages back. But I was very unhappy about the way that went down. I was very unhappy about the way that went down. Are you going to do anything about it, though? And by the way, this is just, it fits with the fecklessness that's coming out of the Trump administration in the way. of the attack. The immediate reaction from the White House was one of conciliation to the state of Qatar and basically saying we didn't have anything to do with this. We're not happy about it.

It's like Biden is president all over again. Let's take a listen to the White House. Their initial statement, I'll get Emily's reaction. This morning, the Trump administration was notified by the United States military that Israel was attacking Hamas, which very unfortunately was located in a section of Doha, the capital of Qatar. Unilaterally bombing inside Qatar, a sovereign nation and close ally of the United States that is working very hard in bravely taking risks with us to broker peace, does not advance Israel or America's goals. However, eliminating Hamas, who have profited off the misery of those living in Gaza, is a worthy goal. President Trump immediately directed Special Envoy Whitkoff to inform the Qataris of the impending

attack, which he did. The president views Qatar as a strong ally and friend of the United States. and feels very badly about the location of this attack. President Trump wants all of the hostages in Gaza and the bodies of the dead released in this war to end now. President Trump also spoke to Prime Minister Netanyahu after the attack. The prime minister told President Trump that he wants to make peace and quickly.

President Trump believes this unfortunate incident could serve as an opportunity for peace. The president also spoke to the emir and Prime Minister of Qatar and thank them for their support and friendship to our country. He assured them that such a thing will not happen again on their soil. Such a thing will not happen again on their soil, but we're not going to do anything to the client state which perpetuated that attack. And according to the White House, gave them no heads up about it was happening an extraordinary

action, the violation of their sovereignty, using 10 some IDF planes to come in and to conduct this attack. I mean, by the way, we'll get to this in a second. One of the most high-profile debts here is a Qatari citizen, a police officer who was actually stationed outside of the building. And some of the intended were not even killed actually in the attack. So top to bottom, it's crazy. And, yeah, I mean, I just want your general reaction for kind of the Biden-esque nature of like we condemn it, but we're not going to do anything about it. I mean, this is the most bipartisan now response, I guess, to his to really.

deranged Israeli action since October 7. Even more eerily of a parallel or even more of eerie of a parallel to Biden-era Rafa politics. Let's put this image on the screen. It's actually going to be out of order A3. There is a Barack Ravid leak. So it gets even more similar to the Biden era.

We are being told by Barack Ravid that the Trump administration is infuriated. The Trump advisors are infuriated. You can bet that's probably Steve Whitkoff, probably Trump himself, by Israel's attack in Qatar. Now, we can go back to the last element or the one that's just before it. This is the Yashara Ali post of Trump's true social. Trump basically parroted what Caroline Levitt said on true social, that quote that you just heard from her, that we just played in full. Trump added to it at the end that he's directing Secretary of State Mark Arribio to finalize the defense cooperation agreement with Qatar.

and, of course, thank you for your attention to this matter. But, Soccer, this is so, so similar to exactly what Donald Trump ran against from Joe Biden. That's right. And you cannot possibly understate the extent to which this is similar to what was happening with Joe Biden. This is Netanyahu not telling Donald Trump. If that's even true, by the way. I mean, you know, I'm still a little bit skeptical. Yes, but maybe, let's say it's true. Let's say it's true.

Well, and also if it, let's say it's not true. What does Trump want to project publicly? Yeah, that's right. Right. That's, I mean, it makes him look incredibly weak. It makes him look weak basically no matter what. And that's kind of what's ridiculous about it. Israel's attack infuriated Trump advisors. It's like, okay. So what are you going to do about it? Are you going to cut off any weapons? No. Are you going to put diplomatic pressure? No. Are you going to do literally anything other than Greenlight, the Gaza City invasion? No. Okay. So then you're just Joe Biden all over again. I mean, let's all just sit. with American power, American security guarantees, and American diplomacy. As Ryan so eloquently put out yesterday, you have a situation where the United States sends a ceasefire proposal. We talked about it with Jeremy yesterday to Hamas. And we're like, hey, guys, here's our final terms. You have to agree to them. If not, you know, quote unquote, there will be hell to pay. And the Israeli response is they didn't even really respond, I guess, to the ceasefire. They claim that they agree to it completely in principle, the so-called proposal.

And then they just try to assassinate all the people who did it. They bombed the meeting. Exactly. They were talking about the plan at the meeting. A meeting where they're trying to respond to what's happening here. And then, by the way, what does Qatar immediately say afterwards? They're like, okay, fine. You know what?

Our country, we're done facilitating any negotiations. That's what the Israelis want. I mean, I don't know what else we can say at this point. It's also just so crazy. This morning, the Trump administration was notified. By the United States military, Israel was attacking Hamas, which very unfortunately was located in a section of Doha, the capital of Qatar. This was a decision made by Prime Minister Netanyahu, not a decision made by me. Okay, then do something about it.

I mean, this is, we talked about this immediately in the reaction to Jeremy. The Gulf states have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on U.S. weaponry. Qatar hosts CENTCOM. They literally host tens of thousands of American troops. I went to high school in Qatar. There are hundreds of thousands of Americans who live there, okay? So, and even in the neighborhood, by the way, you know, it's a well-known place, actually, where this happened. And it's one of those where it could easily, as a Qatari citizen was killed, a police officer,

easily an American citizen or a European expat or any of these other millions of expats, really, who are all over the Gulf, could have been, you know, killed accidentally or something in the attack of a single thing went awry. They don't care about that, about, quote, collateral damage, and they're willing to engage in this type of action, and it's as if the U.S. security guarantee matters. I mean, that's what's so crazy about the end of his tweet. To finalize the defense cooperation agreement, what does it mean to have a defense cooperation agreement if a client state of the United States of America can bomb you with impunity and you're not going to do, everyone knows they're not going to do anything about it. We also know the United States is not going to do anything about it. So a defense agreement basically

means nothing in principle. In fact, the current take that I'm seeing is that it could be Israel, not Russia, which is the end of NATO. Because now it's not so crazy to see, it's not so crazy to envision a world where Israeli right-wingers are all over Twitter and on their airwaves

saying, we need to bomb Ankara, we need to bomb Turkey. Turkey is a NATO member. If Turkey invoked Article 5 and Israel attacked it, yeah, you think America's going to come to their defense. It just goes to show, you know,

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They say, quote, we confirm the enemy's failure to assassinate our brothers in a negotiating delegation. It did confirm that four office staff and one of the sons of them were killed. In addition to some of the things that we're seeing, let's put A5. please up on the screen. This is from the Qatari advisor to the Prime Minister of Qatar. They say the statements being circulated about Qatar being informed of the attack in advance are baseless. The communication received from one of the American officials came during the sound of explosions resulting from the Israeli attack in Doha. And in addition, as I said, they can confirm, if the next one, that one Qatari police officer has died as a result of the Israeli

strikes targeting the leadership, according to their interior ministry, and that a number of Qatari security forces were also wounded. So, I mean, this is an extraordinary action against an ostensible U.S. ally that had it, you know, under the protection of the U.S. security umbrella, and we're just going to allow this type of stuff to happen. It's one of those where, you know, I've seen so much American right-wing commentary about, oh, Qatar finally got what it was coming to them because they host Hamas. Hey, genius. as the Qatari foreign minister acknowledged in an interview with Tucker Carlson, we only have that Hamas office because you told us to keep it open because you guys need

a place to come in to meet on some safe territory. They're like, we don't want these people here. You know, we don't care about any of this stuff. The only reason that we allow it here is so that you can come fly here from Washington and soak in the Israelis. You meet on neutral ground and we can all figure it out. Well, oh, lo and behold, Israel went and blew it up. And so now there's no place to meet, which means what?

Oh, we just get the full Ben-Gavir, Smotra, ethnic cleansing, kill everybody that we want to. And so who could avoid this possibility? We tried everything. Did you? No, not really. That's why the debate on the Israeli right is whether or not to continue taking American support at all, because then you don't have to worry about blowing up peace negotiations, because you don't have to worry about being pressured into peace negotiations, period. You can take the land that you want and do what you want. Right. Now, Israeli media, really interesting conversation happening over on the Times of Israel blog,

because this headline, it's exactly, which was probably in the back of your mind as well, Sager, was Qatar attack time to deflect indictment news of Netanyahu's Qatari ties. Yes, obviously. And this is how you know that the entire line about Qatar being, you know, complicit with Hamas, is fake. It's just like, this tells you exactly what you need to know. If you haven't been following the story, This is from, I'm reading from one of their bloggers over at Times of Israel who writes the decision to attack Hamas headquarters in Qatar's capital raises serious questions about the real motives behind it. The action did not advance any security interest of the state of Israel. Again, I am reading from the Times of Israel and even a roused opposition from senior figures in the security establishment, which we have a couple of elements on. Let's actually just skip ahead here to A8.

This is Israeli media reporting that the IDF and Mossad actually opposed the strike. So this was hardly a... And the chief negotiators, by the way. The negotiators on the Israeli side, the IDF chief of staff, and the head of the Mossad. The reason why you know that they opposed it is because Netanyahu actually credited the shinbet in the attack, which would be kind of like being like the FBI helped with a security operation in, I don't know, like in a bombing on Venezuela, right? No, it's like it's a CIA operation.

Now, the reason they're distancing so far because those people were like, We don't want anything to do with this. We thought it was a bad idea. So, yeah, the Israeli security establishment opposed it, allegedly. I mean, look, these are not, you know, kind-hearted, bleeding-heart liberals, all right? For them, it's about keeping the entity together, having some sort of strategy, which has just been used as a cover effectively by the Netanyahu government and the most far-right ministers to advance whatever they want. B.B. gets to survive politically. He gets to keep the trials about his own Qatari ties away from the headlines.

By the way, the hostage families themselves, they are the ones, man, I mean, for them, I just can't imagine. Like, you have a war ostensibly being fought to release the hostages. It's the number one cry that we hear. And for them, they know the reality. Let's put a statement from them next. That's A9, please, up on the screen, where they say the Israeli hostages form, voices deep concern, they warn that time is now running out and urge the government to present a clear plan for a comprehensive deal to bring the hostages home. But like for them, if you watch

Israel bomb the people who could potentially lead to the release of the hostages, what other action are you supposed to say in that they don't care about the hostages? And they don't. We know that. They've said it from day one. Many of them say it out loud. We need to abandon the hostage cause. They say it in Hebrew, though, of course. So, you know, none of us are really going to know unless you hit the translate button. But look, I mean, it all together, I think that this is a real reckoning moment for the United States, because it just tells us how much this country does, like, we cannot stand up to Israel, apparently. And the damage, to Netanyahu, the leader. Yeah, the leader to Israel, the country, and the uncalculable damage that it does to the U.S.

diplomatic image abroad. So, you know, that was my immediate reaction is like, look, this isn't just this isn't about the attack. Okay, Doha and the Gulf, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, their whole security strategy, hundreds of billions would buy off the American political elite. And in exchange, we all forget about 9-11, you know, we all just look the other way, et cetera. The governments, we protect them, they produce the oil, win-win situation, right? And, or at least win for them. But now, they're being shown in broad daylight. You can be struck. Your sovereignty can be violated. We will not do a damn thing about it. And so if you put that diplomacy, also, you know, I don't think it's an accident that at the very same time the United States tries to have at least

some diplomatic solution that Israel comes in and bombs. Why would you believe this? Because there's two options. Trump wasn't told and he's not going to do anything about it. Or Trump was told and he greenlit the attack. Both are just like the Iran situation. We're negotiating with Iran. We're supposed to have a meeting and then we bomb them or Israel bombs them and then we bomb them a little bit later. So is it any wonder why Putin comes to America has a diplomacy session and anchorage with Trump and then immediately flies to China? No, because he's like, I don't take anything you say seriously. It's not flying drones over Poland. Exactly. Yeah, that happened this morning. He's like, I don't believe you. I don't care. The only thing that matters here is strength,

the ability to project it. I will win on the battlefield and you will reconcile yourself to it. I will not buckle. Same with Modi. We hit them. with 50% tariffs. Modi's like, okay, fine. I'm flying to Beijing, you know. I'm going to go and, or Tianjin, I think, is where the SEO summit was. I'm going to post pictures with Putin. We're going to keep buying Russian oil. America, take it or leave it. We don't care anymore. And of course, Modi gave up zero, has given zero conciliatory action. And now Trump is posting this morning. I'm having great conversations with my friend, Mr. Modi, about resolving our trade tensions. They understand that, you know, buying into American promises or security guarantees or

diplomacy is a fool's errand. It can only be done on your own terms from a position of strength. And these subjugated states, like the Gulf states and many others, are demonstrating to the world. The security guarantee means nothing if Israel is involved. And that's why I think that the NATO stuff is not off the table. You know, everyone's talking about Olin this morning and Russian drones and all of that. It was a drone. Apparently, I think it was, I don't exactly know the circumstances. The Polish and the Dutch Air Force shot them down. It's definitely a crazy situation. Don't get me wrong. But they're not invoking Article 5 and everyone's saying, oh, NATO needs to stand strong. Again, I genuinely ask the world, like if Israel bombed Turkey, would America do anything about

it, especially if they invoked Article 5? No, we would just dissolve NATO. We all know that, is that apparently we would pick Israel, a country which we have no treaty obligation to defend zero treaty obligation to defend, which is some 50 something ranked in our trading partners of basic zero consequence to U.S. affairs. And we put it at the top as if it's like the U.K. or something like that. It's totally nuts. And, yeah, I mean, it's like one of the critics are always like, why are you so obsessed with Israel?

I'm like, well, a good government's obsessed with Israel. You know, we have no choice but to like cover all of this, all of this extraordinary, like gangster type behavior and just show how it emasculates, humiliates, and undermines so many other U.S. strategic interests far more important than this country in the Middle East. But it's not even just Israel, because how many times did we talk about Biden getting absolutely rolled by Zelensky? How many times the Donald Trump talk about Biden getting absolutely rolled by Zelensky? And now you see something, a pretty similar dynamic playing out. Again, I think Trump seemed genuinely surprised. So what? Yeah. That's worse. There's no, yeah,

exactly there's no there's nobody in the trump administration i mean aside from a few people that actually would say like yes israel like this is our ideological position they should wipe out this hamas meeting in cutter like strike doha right do it nobody was like absolutely in favor of that happening save maybe a handful of people working at state department or something like that where you have some of those ideologics maybe some of the people you've reported on saga uh but that's like the entire to your point that makes it worse what other ally Would Donald Trump, think about Donald Trump, would he react as he did yesterday? Yeah, that's true.

I mean, it's insane. And it looks, remember all of the people after the horrible, tragic Afghanistan withdrawal who were saying, and these are some very hawkish people, who were saying this gave China permission to start making bigger plans in Taiwan? This gave Putin permission to invade Ukraine. Who does this give permission to? Yeah, that's right. No, it gives permission to Israel to do whatever it wants.

It's bombed, like, five countries in literally the span of a way. I'm not joking. But you're also listening to Modi, Xi Jinping, Putin. Like, that is, I mean, if you're consistent about that point, it is real. Oh, I talked about Kim Jong-un. Same thing. Kim Jong-un flew to, I think he flew to Beijing, you know, for the national military parade, literally his first ever, like diplomatic conference outside of meetings with Donald Trump.

And he just doesn't care anymore about U.S. words or any of that. He's like, I'm going to keep my nukes. I'm just going to keep doing whatever I want to do. You can live with it or not. We don't care anymore, all right? I mean, that's really the response at this point. But we're going to take Greenland. They don't take, but that didn't even work, did it?

You know, we're not even on a path to get that done. So, yeah, it's just, it's dramatically undermining the U.S. strategic position. It makes him look just like Israel, you know. It makes you look like a bitch. Makes him look like Biden. Yeah, it makes you look just like Biden, who was also humiliated by this country over and over again. I'm just like waiting for, I never thought I would say this. I'm waiting for somebody to be like Bill Clinton and just say, who's the fucking superpower here, right?

I mean, why is this fucking superpower here? so uncommon. You know, George W. Bush even criticized Israel's military. What happened to this country? I mean, that was not that. That was in the year 2001. Ari Fleischer criticized Israel from the White House podium. You know, I mean, what has happened? And, well, I think I know the answer. Anyway, maybe it fits with the next part. Isn't it? Maybe this is a good transition to the Epstein block. So let's get into it, shall we? Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this. Attention passengers.

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I got blown up on a React mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, we're going to turn to the Epstein story now. the White House continues to insist that the story is a hoax, specifically only that Trump's signature in the birthday book was a hoax. But that not all of it is a hoax, but the entire thing is also kind of a hoax.

So here's what they had to say. What is the theory since these documents came from the Epstein estate? Who is, I guess, in your view, faking these documents? I did not say the documents are a hoax. I said the entire narrative surrounding Jeffrey Epstein right now that is absorbing many of the liberal cable channels on television is a hoax that is being perpetuated by opportunistic Democrats like Rokana and the others whom you saw on that press conference outside of Capitol Hill who are trying to push this hoax against the President of the United States.

What exactly is the hoax? I'm just trying to understand what's fake. What's fake is not the documents? The hoax is the Democrats pretending to care about victims of crime when they do not care about victims of crime, when they have done nothing to solve crimes, when they have done nothing to lock up child pedophiles and child rapists across the country. And when they are now using victims as political props to try and, again, smear the president of the United States and drag on this bad story about him. It is a distraction. The Democrats view this story as nothing more than an attempt to distract from the accomplishments

and the achievements of this administration. And that is what we mean when we call it a hoax. That's what they mean when they call it a hoax. Okay. All right. Got it. Interesting. All right.

So we use that as a segue. way because we're not able to fully go through the entire book. I have now read the entire book, Emily and I, and we've curated a bunch of images here. This is 238 pages. It took me a couple hours to go through everything and to scrutinize it. And so I have collated, I think it's 16 of some of the most crazy images. And also just to demonstrate to you the degenerate lifestyle that this man lived out in the open amongst the richest and most powerful people in the world and to which they not only thought it was funny, but many of them were quote in on the joke, and basically all of

the letters were written to it. Keep in mind, these are not frat boys, you know, who are 16, 17 years old. They're like 50, 60 year old men, right, at a certain point who are all making like truly disgusting jokes and letters and all these other things, acknowledging

his degenerate behavior. Which, by the way, a lot of this does undermine the testimony that Gillen Maxwell just gave to that. We'll get to that. We're going to get to that. Galane has got a lot of explaining to do in terms of her sworn testimony that just come out from the birthday book itself. So let's start with image number one. Let's just give everybody a taste of Epstein.

Yeah, trigger warning. I guess I should have said it beforehand. So there's a photo on the left there of Epstein and his bros all wearing Speedos or tidy whatever that you want to say. And then recreating the image together. Shout out to the guy on the right who actually did keep his boxers on for the real. recreation image where Epstein just, you know, hanging out with the guys together, recreating images some 30 years later, all of us in our tidy witties and in our underwear for the camera, very normal behavior that middle-aged, actually not even middle-aged,

50-year-old men, are engaging in, right? So just give me a little taste. This comes from the Friends section of the book, the early friends, the people who he grew up with. This is the Brooklyn section of the book. So the book is, yeah, so there's a a table of contents for this 238-page book that Glenn Maxwell put together. Yeah. And the pages that the House Oversight Committee released are scans. That's right. With some redactions.

So the chapters start with prologue, family, Brooklyn, then it goes to girlfriends, then it goes to children, which we're going to get to. That entire, all of the names there are redacted. We have some information Sager's been chasing it down. But that picture is from the Brooklyn section of the book, which I don't know about you, Sager. I mean, you're very deep. in Epstein mythology. But this book, even just the Brooklyn section, even just hearing

reflections from some of his friends on Jeffrey Epstein's early life, his upbringing, his accordion playing. I actually think we got substantially more information about Jeffrey Epstein's personal biography. That's right. Yeah. So just to explain a little bit, there's been a lot of questions about who Epstein was before Dalton. We focus on the Dalton School and where he is this teacher who's never graduated from college. He's hired by Bill Barr's father to teach We know that he was chasing young girls, even as a teacher at age 23. So it's kind of a question. And you're like, hey, you know, where do these predilections come from?

And yes, by the way, he was likely hired by Bill Barr's father. We can go down that rabbit hole, but we're going to do. Thank you. But prior to that, there's kind of a black hole about Epstein. We know he grew up there in Brooklyn. We don't really know a lot about what he did. What comes out from the book is that even when he's a teenager, him and his friends are all reminiscing about their wild sexual escapades.

Not, I mean, look, I'm not even going to read it. Like, it's so graphic. I can't, I literally cannot read some of this stuff. It's wild. I mean, and it's one of those where you're like, oh, so even as a teenager, you and your friends were engaged in like very predatory, creepy behavior. I'm going to get to some of the images just to show you guys some of the jokes that they were thrown around.

I did think it was important. Let's put the next one up on the screen. Very early in the book, we see this image of a woman who is posed there with Jeffrey Epstein. caption is, quote, he is the boyfriend of X, quote, we think he works for the CIA. So why does that matter? Because it's exactly in those very early days. I focus on this in the Epstein mythology that his initial interactions with intelligence, or at least appear to be interacted with intelligence, a limited amount of evidence for this, seemed to come to the surface. And that is

his interactions with these arms dealers where he allegedly, according to their testimony, got on a private plane to the Pentagon and was engaged in sketchy financial transactions, all of which are involving people like Robert Maxwell and the Khashoggi family, you know, so many of these others who are basically high financier cutouts for different states like Israel, Saudi Arabia, and others. Some of it is also linked back to Iran Contra. Just to give you an example, and it's in these early days that I don't think it's a coincidence quote, we think he works for the CIA. Even though Galane said, oh, he would never do that. And then they put it in book. I would have known. and then, of course, they put it in the book.

Maybe it was a joke. Maybe it was a joke. I don't think so. All right. So let's continue, shall we? To the children's section of the book. Again, where these predilections are just, like, out in the open. I literally don't even know.

I mean, I don't have any words for this stuff. Like, it's like, here comes the bride, all dressed in white. You know, where's the groom and his ladies? Where is the reminder? Work on his binder in the glory. What does I say of his dog? Like, it's, this is. literally a children's, like, rhyme image that was drawn for him by a literal child.

We don't know exactly the name because it's redacted, actually, in the book. But this is, for some reason, meaningful to him in this birthday book. Could be a relative. Like, again, it's not all that explained. It's creepy. It's weird. The bride. You know, what is the mythology, the symbology of this?

And if you're all familiar with some of the, you know, the, I really hesitate to, like, go in. But if you ever watch True Detective's, like, go in. season one, right? You know, the idea of the child bride and all of that is, it's like deep in the lore of a lot of the way that these guys act. And I'm not making this stuff up. Let's put the fourth image here on the screen. I mean, again, trigger warning, okay? Thankfully, some of it is censored, but this is a small child girl who somebody's, you know, family member, I guess, parents submitted to the bulk of her, like, posing suggestively in pajamas playing the piano. Keep the piano in mind. It continues to like recycle throughout the book.

And go ahead. Well, I was going to say, if you're just listening to this and you're not seeing the poses that this girl is in, there's one where she's sort of popping her hip out. Right. It's like hypersexualized image of a young girl. Right. So someone is trying to, you know, if we're stealing Manning, the Epstein defenders who say maybe it's a niece. No. Maybe it's, I mean, even if it is. Oh my God. It's disgusting. Yeah. Look, as a father of a young girl now, I just, I, I, I, I, whoever did this, you're sick. I mean, you should be prosecuted. But let's continue.

I mean, more photos, okay? Let's go to the next one. A presumably young child holding a teddy bear. These are all being included in the book. I don't know exactly what that image on the right is. Potentially it's Epstein or somebody else with the child laying in bed. But, I mean, again, you know, these are really disgusting images in the context of some of the things that we know about Epstein from this point forward. So this then fits very importantly, again, with his early upbringing and with his friends.

So let's go to the next one. Because here, this is a little joke between Epstein and his friends. So this is a photo, again, for those who are just listening, of Epstein and his friend. One is wearing a ski mask. The guy's holding a knife in his hand. Epstein is what is that? Panty hose is wearing over his face. And they're posing.

And the caption is written, quote, finally at the home of our friend, let's call him Mr. Brown. Jeffrey unveiled his plan. To some, it may have seemed to get-rich-quick scheme. But to me, it was pure genius. Rob and Kill was the name of the plan. The first victim, blank, to be attacked and brutally plundered. Would she want more than that? Question mark? On the boardwalk in Venice Beach? Broad daylight. The dastardly thieves were never caught. Post-script, I retired, quote, from the life. But I recently read an article in New York, which led me to believe my old friend, Mr. E. E. had continued on and become an industry leader. I just, look, I know it was a different time. I mean, I was alive in 2003, so were you. I don't think it was all that different. I think that's, I don't think there's an innocent explanation for this. So, like, what is the implication exactly here, that we used to go around robbing and raping women, like, you know, with masks on our face? This is the sign of sick, degenerate individuals, at the very least, and potentially much larger criminal behavior.

And it's that context of who he was amongst all of his friends and others, which becomes relevant as we start to get into the richest and most powerful people in the world, which gets to our next one. Let's put it up there, please, on the screen. So here we have a letter. On the occasion of Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday,

a VF, I haven't fully deciphered this. There's a key in the book, the Vanity Fair. All right, so a vanity, okay, that's what it is. So VFPC is something to be. A VFPC is something to see. A liver, a lover, a Jeff, a Jeffrey. Let's all give a cheer for today is his 50. Five decades, I are half century by birds and bucks, C and M's are his key.

Blonde, red, or brunettes spread out geographically. With his net of fish, Jeff's now, the old man, and the sea. Teaching math, trading options, or foreign currency. Green eye shades, schemes and plans. A unique tax strategy. Wet dream. And I can't read that. an architect's wild spree

Moscow, Paris, Santa Fe Alhambra East, Jamboree. Let's go to the next part. Maxwellian delight a mother's treasure. Great joy, most surely. Harvidian patron brain researcher for extending,

I can't read that right there. Outrageous, iconoclastic, unconventional spirit-free. Best of all, a dear friend, happy birthday, Jeffrey. Love and kisses, Leon Black.

That's Leon Black, who was one of the richest, most powerful people in the state of or in the city of New York. Private equity giant paid Jeffrey Jeffrey Epstein some $170 million. Most of us don't really know why. He's joking here about the Vanity Fair poster child. I guess the VFPC. They're all joking about the fact that Vanity Fair, of course, included him on that cover in 2003, where that just scratched the surface of some of his predilections. But unfortunately, a lot of the most damning reporting was actually buried after threats and others were made against Graydon Carter

and the reporter who worked on that story, Vicki Ward, has shown that she had so much of the Epstein story even at that time, but that it was killed after legal threats and by a lot of other stuff that was going on. Now, let's go to the next one, shall we? This is a, quote, Vanity Unfair cover featuring Nicole Kidman that was included by Alan Dershowitz in his birthday letter to Jeffrey.

What does that say? Nicole Kidman of Eyeswood. wide-shut fame, by the way. And that's where the piano also cuts in here. They say, bring it on, Jeffrey. Consume me, Jeffrey. Intoxicate me, Jeffrey. Nicole Kidman bears her soul.

So it looks like what Alan Dershowitz did is he like superimposed Epstein's name onto a bunch of other captions that are there on there and says, Jeffrey Epstein on the rampage. Jeffrey Epstein's bloody stubborn. Jeffrey Epstein stole my heart. Al-Qaeda in South America. finance by Epstein. Finance by Epstein. Interesting. And they also say, who was Jack the Ripper? Was it Jeffrey Epstein? So that's the vanity unfair image. Wow. By Alan Derswitz. Meanwhile, he's harassing parogi sellers on the island of Martha's Vineyard. No, he's holding them accountable. Holding them accountable for their anti-Semitism. This is attached with a note from Dershowitz that says, Dear Jeffrey, as a birthday gift to you, I managed to obtain an early version of the Vanity Unfair article. I talked them into changing the focus from you to Bill Clinton. you will see from the enclosed excerpt.

Right. Happy birthday and best regards. So the Dershowitz is acting like it's a funny joke to then say he got Vanity Fair to focus on Bill Clinton. Like, ha-ha, vanity fair, so mean to Jeffrey Epstein, thinks he's involved in all of this stuff. But actually, it's Bill Clinton. Here's a funny joke. Your friend Bill Clinton from Allen Dershowitz. So funny, especially because Clinton was also included in the book.

Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. All right. So let's go to the next one. As you can all see here, put the, on the screen. So here you say, leaving you with home, interesting friends to entertain instead. This is part of a 10-page letter with images that was submitted by Jonathan Mendelsohn.

Sorry, Peter Mendelsohn, who is the U.K. ambassador to the United States, right? Literally, the Baron Mendelsohn, who is. senior labor figure and the current UK ambassador. He says, I regret all of my previous interactions with Epstein. That's his defense, basically. So this is the current ambassador. All right. Let's go to the next one. This is where things start to get really disturbing. And this is where you start to see these cartoon images and others, where we're just making open reference to the jet and to girls and hanging out. This is submitted by someone named Joel, the take. The The table of contents seems to indicate that it is Joel Pashow, who is a real estate developer, former friend, apparently, of Donald Trump.

You guys all saw him yesterday in the image of the check from Trump that was given to Epstein for a depreciated woman. But, you know, to be honest, some of the creepier stuff comes from him. Let's go to the next one. This is, I mean, just such an insane photo. It's like a cartoon drawing of Epstein grooming young girls in the year 1983. and then all of them massaging him in the year 2003, 20 years later, it says, what a great country, J.E. tattooed on one of their asses, literally, scantily clad in a bikini, presumably either on an island or somewhere.

Some people were saying it might be Mar-a-Lago. Actually, I'm not 100% sure whether it is, that's what it is. There's a building in the background. There's a building in the background with palm trees. I could see it, but it also could have been Little St. James, his island retreat. This is actually one I found interesting. So this was a world news joke headline included. And it says, international every man of history, revealed as an alien in disguise.

Strange beings from planet near distant star hatched sinister plot to corner choice real estate on Earth. They all exhibit curious aversion to food and wine. And then what's that last one say? Ex-president taken in, presumably Mr. Bill Clinton. And then let's get to this image that I've been kind of obsessing about this. image, and maybe if you guys can all help me. And this is what I mean about the piano, becoming a recurring motif in the Epstein book. So this looks like it was written or drawn by a child.

And I'm still trying to figure it all out. So basically, it shows a person playing piano in the center. All of these pink things are presumably chairs that the audience is like encircled around. But the creepy part is this. girl presumably a girl who is there drawn in gold who is at the center of the floor now some innocent explanation people were saying was that she's performing it doesn't look like she's performing to me emily it looks like she's laying on the ground like prostrate potentially injured i don't know what it is uh the person who signed this i won't say their name i have we've desperately

been trying to locate this individual uh down there at the bottom we don't know who this guy is i have some indication, actually, it could have been drawn by a child. It was included in the children's section. It certainly looks like it was drawn by child. I can't say 100%, but it does look that way. I mean, I don't know if there's an explanation for this. And you can probably see whatever you want to see. Some people say, oh, it's just a piano recital. But there's so this weird piano recurring motif throughout the birthday book. And the reason why I think that's relevant is because of the most famous scene from Eyes Wide Shud, where they're literally playing a piano during their like sex call. And look, I know I sound crazy. I know, I sound crazy. I know, I sound

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It was not just an open secret. It was an acknowledged thing between all of them. Yeah, it was a joke, what they were all up to. Let's continue to the next one. Here you have one of Epstein's girlfriends. She says, visiting you down in Palm Beach. quote, can't get a second of privacy with you and a camera around. Ha, ha.

And she includes a photo of her scantily clad. Her face is blurred out there. Look, I mean, presumably, and this is kind of what Tracey and other defenders have said. It's like, look, a lot of these people were there voluntarily. I mean, maybe she was. But the kind of the point that I take away from that is the camera there being present. And also, all of these pictures that presumably these guys are all taking with each other, making a joke about the Trump check about, you know, the one of him in his underwear with

his bros, the one of him with his friend in the ski mask. Well, there's a, there's an naked picture of him in the book. There is an image of his penis is redacted. And there's also a picture of Elaine, you know, without wearing our top on. So it's like this guy had a predilection for the camera. You had a predilection for documentation, right? And that's one of the things that a lot of people have focused on. They have said, oh, we don't have a lot of the images.

The tapes don't exist, right, from the FBI and all of that. like, well, you know, there's, by the way, Galane Maxwell said, I know every inch, I know every inch of those properties, I built them, et cetera. And, you know, it took me two seconds to find photos of surveillance cameras in Epstein's bedroom all around the Manhattan townhouse. It was part of the original police report

back in 2019, and here they are, some of his girlfriend's joking about it in the birthday book. Oh, can't get in a moment of privacy because there's always a camera around. Yep. Right? Okay, so I'd like to see some of that.

Go to the next one, shall we? What do we have here? So again, remember this back in 2003. This is the last one. This is from one of the girlfriends. She said, before Jeffrey, it was a 22-year-old divorcee. This is the part I picked. After Jeffrey, I now live in New York City, have traveled to Paris, London, Milan,

Copenhagen, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Stockholm, all the other great places. It's just a year in Sager's life. Yeah, I wish, you know, except for New Mexico. I don't know why New Mexico is on there. No offense, New Mexico. I wouldn't put it up there with St. John, or Moscow, St. Petersburg, or Aspen. That's just me. You know, I don't think I put Rwanda.

there either. Yeah, Rwanda, right. Okay. But the last one, the next paragraph. I have met Prince Andrew, President Clinton, the Sultan of Brunei, who by some accounts is the richest person in the world. Donald Trump, Antonio Vargas, Naomi Campbell, Stephanie Seymour, Peter Brandt, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, Diana Ross, Michael Jackson, brilliant scientists, lawyers, and businessmen. I have flown on the Concord, gone skydiving. I have seen the private quarters of bucket him palace sat on the queen of england's throne rode on a racetrack with max pepe and i've learned countless skills so that is what uh you could find yourself at the center of with epstein i mean look we got a lot more questions than answers in my opinion so what we really see i think

from this is the acknowledgement of his degenerate lifestyle from the the entire like elite that was around him, that letter about all the people that his 22-year-old girlfriend or what was able to meet, sit on the queen's throne. There's that famous photo of Galane and Kevin Spacey sitting on the throne, right? After having a private tour arranged for them by Prince Andrew, she said she met Prince Andrew, who says, oh, I never had anything to do with him. Galane vociferously defended Prince Andrew in her sworn testimony. And the final one, which guys, we're going to add this in post, but it is a letter from Elliot Wolk. And to me, it's actually the most, one of the most significant for the intelligence

ties. And it says, Jeffrey, I remember in the mid-1970s, you being a star salesman for our tax advantage strategies and hedged options program. Okay. And what does he continue on? He says, I was running an account for Bob Maxwell. You always had the ability to know everyone and be charming. Was that when you first discovered? The Maxwell teenage daughter, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. How? Happy birthday, Elliot Wolk. Elliot Wolk, just so everyone knows, is a former Bear Stearns executive. His letter was included after Ace Greenberg, the CEO, the CEO, Ace Greenberg, who hired Jeffrey Epstein after meeting him at the Dalton School.

And this direct, look, I mean, it's not confirmation that that's when they met, but Galane's sworn testimony is that Epstein never met her father, and they had no connection. Zero, right? That's what she said to Todd Blent. It's under oath in her sworn testimony. also she says that she met him what is it in the 90s after she had some social fallout with her father and moved to new york well here you have elliott wolk openly insinuating that he met galane when she was a teenager and galane put this in the book by the way galane put this in the book

that's right galane put this in the book and quote i was running an account for bogman this is one of the things i've been trying to hammer home to people this is how he got involved with maxwell kashoggi and all these other folks by the way we're openly acknowledging at least in the Khashoggi one, of being in the orbit of the Epstein, you know, advisors and others, the J. Epstein company. And if you put this together with that New York Times piece that we covered yesterday about the hundreds of millions of dollars, some billions of dollars in transactions run through J.P. Morgan's estate for openly that they were acknowledging for human trafficking

purposes, you could see why somebody with a vast financial network who knows the global financial elite is a convenient money manager will be very useful to any global intelligence agency, okay? And then also why that usefulness could potentially come in handy whenever you get caught up in a Palm Beach County affair in 2007 that goes federal and you get the sweetheart deal, the non-prosecution agreement back in 2007. So I think that it, I know it was really gross, but I thought it was important that we go through.

I didn't even include some of the most- I was going to say, because I literally can't read it to you all. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the tone of the book. I just really recommend if you are interested in this case, you take the time to go through the book as most of you can, as much of it as you can. It'll take an hour or two, but it gives you a sort of opportunity, like a window into Epstein's life and social circle. And even just soaking in the tone of the book, as disgusting as it is. I mean, one of the things that soccer didn't read is a letter from Johnny Boy Kafka. Oh, I know exactly what letter this is.

And it's a way that I can't imagine talking to another human being this way, let alone putting it in writing and wanted it compiled, or asking for it to be compiled into a leatherbound book. Into a leather bound book. And I'm just going to do a little bit of it here. 50 years old, you really have had a pretty amazing life, amazing because of where and when it started. Paula and Seymour effing, of course it says the real thing there. Who was there to tell him where to stick it, keeps on going, uses this. sea word about Epstein's mother in a joke letter to Epstein on his 50th anniversary or 50th

birthday making a joke about his mother's sea word who who talks like that and it is yep you missed a spitting that's right and it is over and over again I mean it goes in the even more from that but who talks like that to their friend puts it in writing for a leather bound scrapbook on their 50th birthday. I mean, it's just bizarre to see the juvenile, the combination of juvenile things like Happy Barf Day,

like it's a teenage yearbook combined with the jokes about plundering women, the jokes about violence, naked pictures of Jeffrey Epstein, an entire chapter that's titled Children. And, Sager, this to me,

so the Wall Street Journal reports, sourcing originally of the Trump picture, which now there are handwriting analyses going on. The White House has said they would welcome a handwriting analysis because they're denying that it's Donald Trump's signature. Trump has said maybe someone else signed his name, said it attributed it to him. That poem has always seemed enormously creepy. That poem also fits in perfectly with the tone of this book where you have people like

Lord Peter Mandelson, Leon Black, Galane Maxwell herself, speaking cryptically in very odd, sort of cheeky language about very dark stuff. And you've gone through some of the examples, but this is also just the entire book is infused with that tone. I picked 18 pages out of 238 pages. Okay. There's a million that I could have picked that are, these are just the most, this is to give everybody like the biggest flavor in case you don't have the time. Right. But yeah, if you want to, go through it. You should. It's really, it's literally littered. The piano thing, It's everywhere. I don't know.

What is up with the piano? Well, here's one. I understood years ago, from a woman, Galane came to Palm Beach horse show looking for what I thought was a horse that she was on a mission for a collection of breast photos, a compilation, of course, for you.

I came to say you some months later, and you told me to take my top off. With the usual Epstein smile, you looked at my breasts and said, yeah, I was right. And it just goes on and on. And the only reason I brought that one up, Sager, is because, to your point,

this is just a handful of examples from 238. pages the tone of the entire book is not happy birthday geoffrey here are some fun memories that we had together it's happy birthday geoffrey you love sex you love uh there's a couple of pictures of animals having sex did you see these uh one of which is a lion mounting a female lioness who seems to not want it and this is a joke um that's the entire book entire book yep very important to note and look like we said we're going to continue to follow it but it It is, you know, it's funny, I always try to move away from the stuff about, oh, global pedophile elite, et cetera, because I'm like, okay, well, I think there's a lot of conspiracy around that, but the intelligence story is the one that I'm the most focused on because that's what I think got, like, but then you read this book, man, and you're like, oh, man, I don't know.

I look at this, and I just see this open flavor. I mean, am I just lame? Like, when somebody asks me to wish a friend, happy birthday, I go, hey, man, happy birthday, love you. What else do you say? You send it, love and kisses, Leon. Love you brother. That's all you say. I can't think of anything else.

You know, congratulations on having a kid or whatever. Like, that's the extent to which my communications are with my friends. I have never seen any of this type of stuff before. It is a window into the most depraved, degenerate type of behavior. And, yeah. Go on House Oversight for putting this whole thing out there. Because now when you read it, the original Wall Street Journal's story where the sourcing is unclear.

It sounds like what they got it from in the journal story is we know that it was in the DOJ records. So it sounds like that original journal story, which by the way, came out, I think the day before or after Murring Comey left the Department of Justice. But we don't know anything definitive in that space. But it sounds like it came from DOJ files and someone leaked it. Well, this came straight from the Epstein estate. So for Trump, he's then going to have.

have to contend either this was always a fake letter from Donald Trump or someone slipped it into whatever the Epstein estate has to frame him, slipped a fake letter into whatever the Epstein estate has to frame him. So that's the argument he now has to confront, which is not an easy argument to make. But also, Sager, I just think it, the Wall Street Journal, I don't want to second guess them Monday morning quarterback necessarily, but I kind of do actually want to second guess them. With the picture itself, that story would have been much, much, much more powerful. My only theory on why they didn't is that their source said that you can't do it. Or they didn't see it. Or they didn't have it. Yeah. So there's a couple, there's a couple ways that

the stuff kind of happens, just so people know. One of the things is sometimes people don't want to leak you a direct document. The reason why is that it's like that reality winner case, remember? So there's metadata. Sometimes these scans have identifying images. So they'll say, okay, I'll describe it to you, but I won't actually give you the image. Or I'll give you the image, but you can't print it. So my only theory for why they could not have released it is only because their source told them not to do. There's a lot of questions of whether it came to the GOJ. I kind of think it came from Galane Maxwell because a lot of this, not only was part of the Epstein estate, but people will know that some of the photos from the book were part of the Galane Maxwell trial, which means

it could have been attached as an exhibit and were made available in discovery to the Galane Maxwell team who of course could easily are trying to leak and send shots across the bow at the Trump administration which means that they might get their sweetheart transfer to a nice little facility.

So it could have come from a lot of different places but now it's out there and it's out there and I think all the people in the book should have to answer. Some of them, a lot of them are just so filthy rich and old at this point. They're, like, buried behind their walls in Palm Beach. They won't answer any questions.

They've just, you know, like Les Wexner and others, they've erected walls or they don't do any public interviews, nothing. They've issued one statement five years ago. They refer back to it, but it shouldn't go away. But there are dozens of names in this book. There are so many pictures. There's so many more biographical details about the early years of Jeffrey Epstein's life and the middle years of Jeffrey Epstein's life that it's a great example of why releasing the files

with redactions, appropriate redactions. We don't know whether these redactions are too far or whatever, but appropriate redactions opens this story up. And there are going to be so many threads that are pulled at just over the next few days, over the next few years, about trying to piece together

that'll help us get closer to the truth. So it's a good thing that we have access to this. Agreed. All right. Well, we'll continue to monitor and we'll keep you guys updated. It's important that we just reassure people that they're not alone, and there is help out there. The Good Stuff podcast, Season 2, takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community.

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