Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 9/2/25: Trump Health Rumors Explode, Israel Blocks US Senators From Gaza, Leaked Gaza Riviera Plot

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Krystal and Saagar discuss Trump health rumors, Israel blocks US Senators from Gaza, leaked docs show Trump Gaza Riviera solution.   To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Okay. I think we can all say in both of these photos, he looks like shit. Okay, can we go back to the first one again? We can see his look on his face is very Brandon-esque. It's the mouth against him. You can see, you know, the skin is sagging. the makeup is not properly applied. There's no hair visible for some reason.

People are like zooming in and enhancing this in all kinds of ways. Like, he looks bad here, okay? And this is basically the only glimpse that we've gotten of him. Then they said, okay, well, he's fine. He's going golfing. Okay. Well, the press pool that was with him were kept from being able to see him on the golf course. They were made to wait on the tennis course.

So they didn't actually get to see any of him golfing. There are no pictures of him golfing. This is all we've got, okay? Then they posted photos of him, put C2 up on the screen. They posted these photos of him, or he posted them, on his true social account. Great playing golf with John Gruden, really nice guy and a true character. Wearing, by the way, a very similar outfit to the one he wore when he was allegedly playing golf. This is an old photo.

This was taken on August 23rd, and they seemed to hold it out like this was a new photo. This is a parse hacker where this was the first time I was like, hmm, maybe there is something going on here. We can put C3 up on the screen. It's a Newsweek article about some of the theories and speculation here. They mentioned to the weak old photo and how that raised eyebrows amid health speculation. Of course, we already had those bruising on his hands that he's been trying to hide and trying to cover up. We all know about the cancals and the way that they've been, you know, the way they address that and the way he's been trying to hide those kankles as well.

So we're already some swirling speculation. Then he disappears. Then we get these photos where he looks like absolute shit. Then he goes to the golf course allegedly and there are no photos have been playing. And they post this week old photo and claim that this is like, you know, trying to portray this like a new photo. And Sagar, there were other MAGA influencers like Charlie Kirk and the like who are close with the White House who are posting other golf videos that were again, I think. meant to portray that these were recent and oh, here he is, being virile and active and all of this, that also were all old. So it's really weird. And then last night, there was a lot of

a fever pitch of speculation because they closed all of the roads around Walter Reed Hospital year in D.C. And when I checked this morning, they were still closed. They turned, I saw one right, and confirmed this one. The roads closed. I looked up on Apple Maps, and that was true. they allegedly also turned off one of the like highway cameras that was nearby Walter Reed and the Domino's pizza tracker around the White House and the Pentagon and Walter Reed all was spiking okay and we got this news that there was going to be there's nothing on the president's schedule until 2 p.m. when he was making some unspecified announcement. Now we have since then received word that the announcement is going to be changing the department

Department of Defense to the Department of War, Mr. Anti-War, embracing the Department of War here, whatever. So that's supposedly what's happening at 2 p.m. But what do you think of all of these happening? I think a lot of people are having a lot of fun on the internet. So let's go. And by the way, again, I think it's fine to have fun. But let's talk about it. So the six days thing. That was a three and a...

By the way, I don't care if Trump is sick or not. If he was, I'm sure, of course, they should be transparent about it. He spoke for three and a half hours on camera. Reagan Reese, of the Daily Caller, interviewed him for over an hour and a half on Friday. He's always been old and frankly, unseemly when not in a suit. By the way, that's the power of the suit. That's why I should always wear one. also why he shouldn't wear a hat

because it's not exactly flattering to the brow line but yeah I mean just looking at all this stuff I think he's probably just as sick as he was whenever he had the bruises on his hands and his cancels so is the White House being fully transparent about his health

almost certainly not especially with the hands I definitely think some weird stuff is going on there but yeah I think a lot of people are having too much fun on the internet like for example I get how the framing of the golf course like oh my God the Preston seam on the golf course Guys, I'm waving with Trump to the golf course, unfortunately. I was stuck in a restaurant.

I didn't see him once. I was literally in the motorcade. It's pretty much basic standard when the president goes to the golf course on the weekend. They don't allow the press in. 90% of the time the photos that get a release are from the White House. I do agree that the weak old photo stuff and all that looks, quote, bad in the context of all of this. And I would be happy to eat my words if it comes out, you know, today or whatever, that he is sick. But I just don't see it.

I don't see any of this stuff. For example, okay, let's put the next one up here. It's weird to have no Labor Day events, though, too. I don't know. That's true. It is weird. A president who's supposed to be like Mr. Working Class, blah, blah, blah. Crystal, he spends all of his time golfing.

And when he was president the first time, every Thursday, flight to Marlago, Sunday night, back to Washington. But here's the thing. I just think a lot of this is just fever-pitched, like, brain-day. Okay, probably. But you have to admit it's weird. Okay, there was all this speculation. and like, I'm going to say, like, Friday, that he was actually dead. There was all this speculation online.

Like, we haven't seen Trump. Trump may be dead. There was, like, video of somebody rolling something out of the White House. We were like, that was Trump. And he and staff are super online. So what would, like, the logical thing to do would be, he's out on the call. Look at him taking the swing. Doesn't he look great?

And even if you don't allow the press to go along and to see that, you release a, a current photo that demonstrates that. So you don't have that. The photos that are of him just like shuffling to the, you know, to the transport, looks like Brandon on the debate stage, looks like total old man terrible. Doesn't he always look like that? This is my point. No, he doesn't. No, he doesn't. And he doesn't talk to the press, right? He's always talking the press. He's not on the weekends. This man cannot freaking shut up. No, see, this might think. It's not on the weekend. It's not on the weekend. You have to admit. Yeah. To go this long without saying shit on a camera is very, very unusual.

He did an interview on Friday. Look, I hate that I sound like I'm defending Trump. I really am not. I mean, I think he probably just took Labor Day off like everybody else. But, I mean, look, he's going to be on camera in a matter of hours. We'll all see it. Also, I disagree with you. The Department of War is a great name.

And we have launched more wars of aggression under the, quote, Department of Defense than we did another Department of War. So everybody's just thought about it. Well, I actually think that it is, it's a more honest. Exactly. But the Department of Defense was a dystopian post-World War II name. You have to admit that is ironic for Mr. Anti-War to now be like, you know, yes, it's the Department of War. What are you supposed to call it?

The Department of Peace? I mean, the point is, the Department of War is we wage war. No, the point isn't what the name of the thing is. The point is what you're actually doing, and he has been extremely pro-war as we know. It's a separate point. It's not a separate point. It's a core point. Anyway, the point, the name is good.

No, I'm going to stand for this. The name is good, all right? It's important that America be honest about what it actually is. the department that wages war. Since the Department of Defense was established, we've done nothing but launched disastrous wars. The Department of War is a callback to a previous and more important era

where we understood exactly what it is the Pentagon did. I don't think that the name is going to change the terrible policy. Maybe not now, all right? But the post, I'm telling you, this stuff matters a lot more than people think. A lot of that was about dystopia. It was about the establishment of the empire,

about foreign wars abroad. When we were the Department of War, We were a much less adventurous country, and we were one that understood the actual ramifications. Congress voted for and more. Do I think this is going to change any of that? I seriously doubt that the name change has much to do with that. I think restoring honesty and clarity in what exactly these places do is a lot more important than people think. Symbology does still matter, and the Department of War was an important part of that.

So let me put up this next piece, which is C4. So in addition to all of the things that we, the photos, the week old photo being passed off as current, the fact he looks like absolute crap, hasn't spoken to the press. His posts on true social are weird. They don't sound like him at all. In fact, and I think this is true, I've seen people saying this, like Gavin Newsom doing his weird Trump impression sounds more like Trump than these posts. And so one individual ran his true social posts through chat GPT and asked for an analysis.

of whether or not the sound of like Trump. And the TLDR here is no. They don't sound like him at all. This one says, wow, Mayor Muriel Bowser of D.C. has become very popular because she worked with me and my great people and bringing crime down to virtually nothing in D.C. Her statements and actions were positive instead of others like Pritzker, Westmore, Newscum, and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, they say that the signature president, DJT, our memo, letter convention, he almost never

uses in posts. He says this thing, just some simple facts for people to ponder. Ponder is not something that he is in his normal register, more likely to say, think, remember, believe me, et cetera, so I wouldn't have to go through all of these. But in any case, I think anyone who reads a post will be like, this doesn't really sound like him. Now, he does have staffers write through social posts. I've actually literally witnessed it. But again, why are there no signs of life coming from this man at this point in time when there is a fevered speculation? He's on camera.

He still looks like he's an 80-year-old man. he's morbidly obese, all right? He's probably either pre-diabetic or diabetic. I think you're probably seeing exactly what is there and has been for years. For some reason, they just convinced themselves this weekend that he was dead. Again, here's the thing. I support having fun on the internet. Hillary's earpiece, back brace, I was there. Her collapse on 9-11, I will never forget it. Some of the most fun that we ever had online. Truly, some of the most fun. So speculate away. Go for it. I'm just here to be a bit of a damper and be like, yeah, I got. Unfortunately, it's very common to have pictures on the golf course.

He's going to be on camera later today. By the end of this week, most of the people indulges are going to look pretty stupid. In general, you may be vindicated in the way that Brandon posters were. If he eventually does have some sort of Brandon-style moment, it's definitely possible. You know, he can't rule it out. I mean, I think he's either 79 or 80. That's just empirically correct. Yeah, I mean, he's old and he's eating McDonald's like every day for his entire life.

No, he no longer eats the bun. Isn't that right? Or it's like something like, he doesn't eat the butt anymore or something like, which I'm not sure I believe that. All right. One more here for you. One more here for you. Put this up on the screen. This is weird.

I don't know what's going on with this. Oh, this is a fun one. This is just straight fun. Right. Okay. They're throwing things out of the White House residence. Yes. For some reason.

We don't know why. At the top floor, we can't figure out who it was. I don't know that this has anything to do with Trump's health, but it's a weird thing that happens. So we just threw it in here. It's simply just interesting, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that area of the White House, very...

This is, like, bulletproof glass, too. It's like, I don't know. I don't know if any of this is true, to be clear. But I did see some analysis on Twitter about, like, it's not like a regular window. You can just open and throw things out. You have to, like, remove it. Because I've seen some of those. But that area right beneath that is where the press gathers.

I've actually seen some windows open there before. I know under Obama, somebody fired gunshots at the White House. And they discovered bullets there, like, a little bit later on. It was like a huge scandal because it was a secure. I remember that failure. They weren't there when it happened. They, like, discovered it later after they found some bullets and I'm like, hey, what is this? Like, where did this come from?

Anyway, weird. It was definitely weird. I agree. So, look, everybody continued to have fun on the internet. But, you know, unfortunately, there were a lot. Too many people I take seriously in my life were asking whether a lot of this was actually real. And of course, that's always why you need some discerning information.

Again, at 2 p.m. today, you will have Donald Trump on camera and every single person can can look at that for themselves. The fact that we're just like run year after year by these aging, I agree. Falling upon men who are like decomposing before our eyes is a real sign of empire. A hundred percent. I'm like visual sign. I totally agree with that. I think it's one of the worst things about the guy. I mean, you know, no one's more anti-boomer than me in terms of their leadership. So I would personally like to see more people. Shout out to Jerry Nadler, who recently said, I'm not running for office. Biden's degradation showed me that people who stay too long, overstay their welcome, and cause serious distress in the system, and it's

time for me to go. So you know what? That's the right thing to do. And I think a lot more politicians, Democrat and Republican, should do the honorable thing and should get it out forever. Imagine if Trump dies before Biden. If Trump dies before Biden, that would be crazy. I mean, I don't know. Wow. I mean, how old is Biden? He's 81? I mean, doesn't he have cancer? He's got like stage four cancer? Yeah. He's 82. Yeah. One last question. What do you think? Okay, so just indulge. Let's imagine that Trump does die. What do you think happens with MAGA? Interesting question. So obviously, J.D. Vance would become president in the interim. You'd be like Theodore Roosevelt, you know, several months into the office, gets three some years

in the White House. I think that they would be behind him because he credibly, he would have to pull a Johnson. So what Johnson did in one of my favorite books, The Passage of Power by Robert Caro, how Johnson took control of the presidency after the assassination of Kennedy. Obviously, he's different because assassination is very different than a natural death in office. But I'm trying to think. They probably think that he was killed, though. When's the last time president naturally died in office? FDR?

So, yeah, I think it's FDR. So under FDR, Truman, yeah, okay, similar comparison. You know, I think he died 83 days into his fourth term. But what Truman and LBJ credibly had to do was they had to balance the, they had to balance being president and being in charge and inheriting a bunch of other people's staff. What Truman in particular did is he took over a year to kind of phase in his own people and he was still dealing with World War II, but he also had to make a lot of big decisions, but he generally deferred to a lot of FDR advisors.

He was very insecure too. He was very, I mean, he should be, right? I mean, literally he didn't know any. He didn't even know about the Manhattan Project until he, until FDR died. It's insane. And he used to drop the bomb some month later or two months later after he becomes president. It would probably be more akin to LBJ because Kenner. had that whole legacy around him.

So what you do is you're like, I will fulfill the legacy of Donald Trump. And then you kind of decide like what that legacy is, right? Because JFK, you know, he spoke for civil rights. He didn't really do anything about it. LBJ actually gets it done. He spoke for a tax bill. It was going nowhere. LBJ actually got it done.

You kind of get to decide and build upon that person's legacy. And at the end of the day, you are president, right? So the alternative model would be Theodore Roosevelt, who becomes president after his president dies while he's in office. and goes in a totally different direction, because from the force of his personality, turns a presidency and his term into something that he never would have imagined,

you know, previously while he was the vice president. I don't think that can happen because the same cult around Trump kind of exists around LBJ and FDR, so you would have to step into the fold. And what you really, the most important thing to do would be to do what LBJ did is you would credibly have to win,

not re-election, but be election. And then you can kind of step into it and make it of your own. So I don't really know. But I do think, obviously, I mean, it's not just chosen successor. You are the vice president. You're the president, legally.

You're going to inherit the team. I don't think you would fire anybody. I do think a lot of stuff would change, actually. In terms of the policy, in terms of the implementation, I think it would be a lot higher IQ, personally. But I still think a lot of it would have to be wrapped in the shroud

of MAGA and of Trump. And I do think MAGA also, the fight that would come would be when he would run for election. So in 2028, that would be, especially depends, you know, on how the presidency goes and all of that. But, yeah, I don't know. It's an interesting thought experiment.

Like, so you can go the Roosevelt way, the Truman way, or the LBJ way. Those are, like, the different models I have. Yeah, I mean, I just look on a base level, I think Trump gets away with things that no one else would and could, including J.D. Vance. Like, I just don't think he has the aura to pull off the things Trump has. But you're underestimating how much people, you know, when someone dies, especially, like, If you provide a hagiography for that person, there's a lot of difference. That's true.

They did not attack LBJ for years. Although I think it's a different era. It could be. I don't know. I mean, like, in the LBJ era, like, there's, we've never been in a time period where people are actively, like, cheering for the president to be dropping dead, which is what is happening online right now. Like, it is a different moment.

You're going to have people, like, 40% of the country, let's say, is going to be instantly happy that he's gone. Maybe, but you'd be careful what you wish. different, that is a very different dynamic. So I don't think you get years of hagiography and deference and what I don't think you get that. Well, your question was about MAGA, not about the country. Yeah, but you, but your, you know, your analysis is predicated on the idea that there would be this temperance and said there would be this national hagiography of Trump after he goes. And I don't really think that'll be the case. I think the media will try, but I think

much of the country will be like, it's possible. I don't know. I mean, the other, you know, the other way we could look at it is Ford taking over Nixon, uh, which kind of deflates a lot of the energy against him. So that's what I mean. And we also have to think about, like, it's a very bad time for America. And J.D. Vance would be dealing with the economy's not doing well. Yeah, that's why I think Florida is a good example. We're mired in this horrible situation, you know, funding a genocide in Gaza.

There's all sorts of structural reasons why he would feel like he can't really change course on that without, like, you know, his coalition falling apart, very likely to be drawn back into war with Iran, still mired in Ukraine. the world united against us. Like, there's a, it's a really bad time to be, to have to be, to be president and be dealing with the fallout of the idiocy that Trump has foisted on this country and on the world, too. So, you know, I, like I said, I think Trump gets away with things because he has so much, he's funny. He just has off the charts charisma. Like, you can't deny it.

I hate the man, but that's just facts. J.D. Vance is not that guy. So I think he would struggle to keep that coalition together. And then, of course, you already have, like, the, you know, the Groypers and the people that hate him because his wife is Indian, whatever. Yeah, it's possible. Again, I think things would change. I mean, if in a way, like, I think it might be the worst thing that never happened to the left because it could suck a lot of the enthusiasm out of them. It could become, you know, things could go back to normal, honestly, relatively quickly. So you really have, look, nobody knows. There's a lot of energy around hating J.D. Vance and the Peter Thiel, Palantier, Elon Musk, tech oligarchs as well. Purely online. The average, you know, Normie Lib hates Trump for being uncouth and, you know, whatever. Like, they don't give a shit. To the extent that they care about JD, they're like, he's Trump's little Aaron boy or whatever. I mean, they don't know anything about Palantir. So I think that this is the big. The Palantir is emblematic of the oligarchy and like the billionaire class. And there's certainly Normie reaction. We'll, we'll see. We'll see. Personally, I think that the left, Trump is the best thing for the left right now. I mean, his, you know, he's like brashness. and all that return to normalcy would nuke them

because then they would yeah I don't think I think all the energy would completely be sucked out it also look a lot of it depends on JD a lot of it depends on the circumstances too and the timing like early on right now you're basically the full on president for three years that's what happened to Roosevelt

that's what happened to Truman whereas it's like LBJ you're running in the I think so November yeah so he only had a year it's November 23rd up until the election he only had the last year of the presidency that's a very different circumstance too. So the point is it's complicated if you look broadly around. We'll see. I mean, it's a fun thought experiment, I guess. All right, let's get to senators. Your entire identity has been fabricated.

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here at the King Abdullah of the 2nd Air Force Base in Jordan. Jeff and I wanted to go into Ghazim to see firsthand the destruction, which we've seen in photographs and by eyewitness testimony. But we were denied that opportunity to go in on the ground. We are really hoping for the opportunity to fly over to be able to witness first and exactly the scale of destruction in Gaza. So far, we've not been able to go. So far, the senators have not been able to go denied the ability to go by the Israeli government,

which is pretty shocking, again, you know, considering the fact that the government itself has banned journalists and others from even participating in flyovers that are dropping aid. And that is one where, you know, you just have to ask, like, well, what are you covering up exactly? And, well, we all know, don't we? because there have been enough images of all of that that have been able to come out. It's also just a serious breach on U.S. sovereignty because it's insane.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's crazy. Like, these are United States senators in a foreign country. The Jordanian government has no problem with them going, and they're like, no, actually. Because what is that? It's a tacit commission.

We control the skies. It's our territory. Well, it's our country, which just gets all the questions around this of like, well, why? What exactly is going on here? We're not even allowed to fly in there. Oh, Hamas has rockets now that can shoot us?

Come on. Like, what are we doing? Yeah, and we know the way they blocked journalists from going on board these, you know, aid drop flights because they didn't want pictures coming out. And they don't want Merkley and they don't want Van Hollen to actually see that Gaza has been turned into absolute and complete rubble. They also went to the Rafa gate on the Egypt-Ghasa border. And he says in this post, he says on the other side was Gaza's thriving city of Rafa, home to $270,000. Today we saw it reduced to rubble.

The Netanyahu government has gone beyond. non-targeting Hamas to waging a war of destruction against all Palestinians, it must end. And we all remember when everybody's posting all lies on Rafa, right? We all remember that. We all remember the Biden administration saying going into Rafa is a red line because remember what the Israelis did. They pushed the entire population of Gaza further and further and further south. Rafa being the southernmost city and just obliterated in their path, squeezed everybody down into the southern part of the Gaza Strip. And then they went in and annihilated Rafa as well.

And Rafa has been reduced to rubble. As we speak, we can put D3 up on the screen. You know, there is a just absolute onslaught happening in and around Gaza City. This is from yesterday, according to Middle East I, and this was information from Gaza's health ministry. They said that Israel had killed at least 98 Palestinians in Gaza in the last 24 hours. During the same period, 404 others were wounded. A number of these Palestinians who were wounded.

murdered by the IDF were out seeking aid. A number of other ones, I believe eight of them, died because of starvation. So it is absolutely as brutal and as dire as it has ever been in this war. I saw numbers that even if you use, which most, I mean, all experts say at this point, like the official numbers are dramatic undercount. If you can consider people who are dying of malnutrition and disease and lack of sanitation and, you know, who are buried under the rubble and unaccounted for, et cetera, it's a dramatic undercount. But even if we take that official count, that means that 10% of the population of the Gaza Strip has either been killed or injured.

There is really no analogous situation in modern history, 10% of an entire population that has either been killed or injured. And, you know, we're still here backing the whole thing and putting up plans for, you know, official ethnic cleansing, which we'll get to in the next segment. Yeah, it's really sickening. Let's go ahead and put the next part up here on the screen, please, just so we can show at least some of it. I mean, it really is sickening, actually.

Some of the video that has been coming out at the very least of, like, what is even available, you know, warning, obviously, if you're watching this and there's some sensitive stuff. But this is the least amount from what we've been able to see that remains there. And it demonstrates why a lot of the campaign against journalists and against these senators is happening, is to basically keep it so that only the on-the-ground images are the ones that are able to be disseminated. And there's no journalists, there's nobody even really verifying or plotting or telling people what exactly is going on. So, yeah, I think it is actually

very interesting from the point of how much longer this can continue in terms of public and U.S. support. Like, that's the big question. is at a certain point, even the pro-Israel defenders, and we'll talk about this soon, the people in Israel, the IDF, who can we all agree is not like some bleeding heart liberals and all them, are like, guys, this is doing nothing. Like, it is basically killing for the sake of it and expulsion in conjunction with this like crazy plan of the far, most far-right ministers of the Israeli government. It's a question both for them politically, you know, at a constituent level, because it's true. Basically, Israel either de facto supports this or, you know, supports

this all out. But it's also a question of like America here, where even with the limited amount of images, the amount of control and the lack of support, that they're just going for it in a way that strategically doesn't make a lot of sense if you plan for a continuation, or maybe it does because they're like, this is it, we're just going to get it done now. It's the only time that we'll ever have the opportunity. So I don't really know, you know, how else to square it? Because that seems to be what they think. Well, we have the plan we'll talk about in the next block of what they intend to do. They're using GHF, basically as shaping operations to push everybody again to the South and, you know, be able to push people to, you know, to self-deport,

we'll say, just brazen plans for ethnic cleansing and then create some, you know, development haven for Trump and his cronies to cash in on. It's utterly disgusting and stage capitalism some kind of stuff. Let's put D5 up on the screen because it's also unbelievable how rogue Israelists. They assassinated Yemen's prime minister and their entire cabinet. And this is from Code Pink. They say Western impunity means Israel can kill entire government cabinets of sovereign countries and commit genocide without the world batting an eyelid. It goes without saying, imagine that the Houthis assassinated Netanyahu and Smotrich and Benkavir. What do you think? think the reaction would be. And yet they operate in such a rogue and lawless manner with

absolute impunity and zero accountability with us when they're indicted for war crimes, sanctioning the ICC for daring to sanction them for, you know, indict them for war crimes. Just absolute impunity. It is insane what this country is doing. The number of countries they bombed, the number of war crimes they've committed. what's happening in Gaza, what they're doing in the West Bank, what they're announcing. And they're once again saying we're going to cut off aid to northern Gaza because we, you know, believe anyone who's left there, we're just going to assume that they're a terrorist. So we're going to try to starve them to death.

This is all announced and out in the open. And yet our country is, you know, just going along with it. And ultimately, we know other nations around the world with any power to do anything are really doing anything. Listen, the recognition of Palestine, okay, fine, but that is not going to change the situation right now. And Israel truly is going for it. In that interview that you mentioned that Trump did give to a print reporter on Friday, he was asked about Israel and can put D4 up on the screen to show you part of his answer. So he was asked this question about like, hey, do you see that some young Republicans even now are moving away from Israel? And what do you make of that?

Are you aware of it? And he says, yeah, I'm aware of it. So Israel is amazing because, you know, I have good. support from Israel. But when, if you go back 20 years, I mean, I will tell you, Israel had the strongest lobby in Congress of anything or body or of any company or corporation or state that I've ever seen. Israel was the strongest. Today, it doesn't have that strong lobby. It's amazing. I think we have more from this interview we can go to. He says, there was a time where you couldn't speak bad. If you wanted to be a politician, you couldn't speak badly.

But today you have, you know, AOC plus three, and you have all these lunatics, and they've really changed it. So they're going to have to get that war over with, but it is hurting Israel. There's no question about it. They may be winning the war, but they're not winning the world of public relations, you know, and it is hurting them. So some interesting comments similar to things that he's actually said in the past about the Israel lobby in my hand's honor. Yes and no. He's like said that stuff before. He, on Israel, he just reverts to this, like, you know, template answer.

What about October 7? He did. He said no one has done more for Israel than I have. True. I guess, true. Definitely true. Yeah. I don't know.

I mean, there is mystified. The people around Trump, many others in the Republican movement, are mystified at his deference to Israel. It does not exist with any other state. Nobody really knows why. We can all speculate. We certainly have here. on the show, a variety of ideology, money, who knows, you know, what else, blackmail, some people are saying, some people are, many people are saying that it could be. But regardless,

they have, he has an exception to them that does not exist for literally anyone else. And it is exceptional because it stands so stark to how he treats every single other country in the world. And it's, what's actually remarkable is that Trump's thing about being independent was he always different than other Republicans, even if he would do many of the same things. But on Israel, he seems exactly the same. Yeah. It's just like Mike Johnson. He's just like all the others.

He's just like all the, you know, like everyone else. And it's the one area where I think people can credibly be like, dude, you are, you know, like you're just not different in any way. If anything, you're the most, you know, fervent, like backer there of the Israel lobby. So I think that is probably the area which has been most disillusioning, you know, for a lot of the so-called, like, podcast, Young Wright, and all these other people. because they don't like Israel, you know, and they're not subjected to the same level of propaganda that a lot of these other people are. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I'll never understand it. I truly

won't. I mean, I think part of what he gives up there, I mean, first of all, I think the blackmail thing is, like, a real-life possibility. And even if he doesn't know specifically, he is probably somewhat afraid of them and what they might have on him. And we know that they've, like, threatened, you know, Ryan's reporting about how they threatened Bill Clinton. So we can't put that past them at all. But he also says something there that he's like, I have a lot of support there. I mean, and that's part of how he thinks, too. He's like, Mary Madelson gave me $100 million and I'm going to do what she wants me to do. I'm going to do what they want me to do because they really support me. And, you know, there is a large constituency in the Republican Party that is just, they're still majority overwhelmingly

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And it's actually insane. Let's go and put this up here on the screen. This was from the Washington Post. Gaza post-war plan envisions, quote, voluntary relocation of the entire population. It's called the Great Trust from a demolished Iranian proxy to a prosperous Abrahamic ally. Let's stick with that. It's the Gaza Reconstruction Economic Acceleration Transformation or Great, as they are calling it. You can actually look at the process.

prospectus. It's linked there. It's completely public. It, quote, envisions a temporary relocation of all of Gaza's more than two million population through what it calls voluntary departure to another country or into restricted secured zones inside the enclave during reconstruction. It would be financed, it says, by various shady entities. And, and I think the most important part here, is that it would entail basically the United States being responsible for this. Much of the The financial planning has been done by Boston Consulting Group. So this is like inclusion of all of the worst of America. Now, they distance themselves now by the way for the lawyers.

Anyway, but yeah, for the lawyers, you know, they've put out a statement, et cetera. But at the very least, this is a classic Jared Kushner style, which I mean, look, he even said it, right? Over a year ago. He was like, oh, some of the best real estate in the world. And I do think that they are genuinely like enamored by what you said of the Riviera of the Middle East. But the most appealing part to Trump is that, quote, it requires no U.S. government funding and other significant profit to investors. Instead, what it would do is use private U.S. security contractors to distribute food in four Gaza locations like with the GHF, which is de facto under Israeli control. And it would be financed by public and private sector investment for megaprojects from electric vehicle plants, data centers, beach resorts, and high-rise apartments. Now, obviously, I think the question of like, who gets to live there seems to be pretty important. And like the GHF, what we have basically seen is this private quasi-force, which includes and is funded by the United States, by the Israeli government.

What we know from GHF whistleblower Anthony Aguilar is that the Israelis were the, quote, client, and we're effectively the ones running this. And if the two million people who leave and you build this great resort for, who's it for? Is it for these Israelis? So it's a U.S. funded development resort Disneyland project so that people in Tel Aviv can come to the beach? Like, what are we talking about here? Yeah. That's why it's, I mean, you know, disaster capitalism does not even capture what the hell this is. This is dark. This is like the end, end, end stage of chaos. Genocide on behalf of development. He reminds me in that show, the Amazon Prime show about if the Nazis won the war. I'm totally black. Oh, man on the

High Castle. That's what it is. It's like, oh, what New York would it look like if the Nazis it's like bullet trains and you know a super fast concord aircraft and then people are driving through the Midwest and there's ashes and they're like oh yeah it's time for the hospital to burn the bodies you're like uh what you're like but i mean that's kind of the technological future that they envision so it's i mean i won't go that far it's not as bad but it's pretty bad like again we're talking about committing a genocide and an ethnic cleansing so we can clean a population so that Trump and Kushner and his buddies can make millions on a real estate deal. That's what we're talking.

I mean, and I have to say, the way this article sets it up, like, to not use any of that, any language around that is also really a disgrace when it's all laid out in the open. The mechanics of how they describe this, too, are utterly horrifying. First of all, they envision GHF, the Gaza humanitarian foundation that Tony Aguilar has been blowing the whistle on. A bunch of paid American mercenary thugs who are apparently comfortable with murdering children as they seek aid. They're central to this plan. They lay out the different phases. In phase number one, they call it humanitarian operations.

Israel fights to dismantle Hamas. GHF provides Hamas-free secure aid. and temporary housing, they operate under humanitarian mandate to secure humanitarian operations and personnel. That's what they claim GHF is doing. In the next phase, the great trust is created. GHF folds under the great trust, and they're used. So I want you guys to understand, too, that this connects directly to what's happening

on the ground right now with GHF. And this, again, is what Anthony Aguilar said. He said, this is not an aid operation. These are shaping operations. What are the shaping operations meant to enable? This is it. To lure the population, to force them through starvation into certain parts of the strip. Right now, once again, the IDF is in, bombing the Helen of Gaza City.

By the way, attacking people who are trying to flee, trying to follow the orders, and they're still attacking and murdering these people who are trying to do what they're told by the IDF, they have to do. But in any case, they are part and parcel of this plan to fully get rid of pay. Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and create this Trump-Riviera Gaza situation. Absolute insanity. And they talk in the cold language of the BCG consultants in this PowerPoint about how much more cost-effective it will be. If they can lure more Gazans to completely leave the strip, we'll save $30,000 for each

person, Palestinian, that we lure to go to go to. to, you know, whatever country Somaliland or whatever country agrees to ultimately take them. That's the way this is all laid out. And I really, there's something about the combination of this corporate speak, real estate development PowerPoint, when you know, like we showed you the images, we know what is happening on the ground, we know the way that humans are being murdered and children destroyed and limbs amputated and the level of trauma and the complete destruction of, like, this was a real place with schools and hospitals and churches and mosques and community and family and cemeteries

and life and culture and all of this. And you're just clearing it aside so Trump can build a fucking beachside hotel. Like, it's sick. It is absolutely sick. And the fact that it happens out in the open, that we can see the documents and the plans are announced, and it just unfolds. Like, it blows, it truly does blow my mind. It really does blow my mind.

Yeah, let's put E4 up on the screen, because I think what's important to also note is how explicit the current campaign in Gaza City is with what this aim is, as opposed to the ostensible war. Because if you listen to Scott Jennings on scene, yeah, it's a really, what about the hostages? What about the hostages? All of the security cabinet, all of the IDF told Netanyahu,

any Gaza City takeover will not defeat Hamas and they are begging for him to accept the quote limited hostage deal which has been on the table the Witkoff proposal for what like two weeks, three weeks now that has been accepted by Hamas. They say no, we're not going to do that. Instead, pushing out and taking over Gaza City is what?

Eradication, destruction and the creation of the zone so that you can eventually annex it and create the Gaza Riviera, which, by the way, they don't have to pay for, because, of course, why would they have to pay for it? Even though they broke all of it, all of it out, and they want America to pay for it in the UAE and all these other countries, and then to use the full might of the empire to actually force this expulsion and then pay for quasi-finance the development of Disneyland for Israelis. I mean, it's pretty insane and sickening. But that's the only way that you can actually make this all sense, especially in the context of they've been threatening what? They have been threatening the current, you know, official annexation.

of the West Bank, not that they obviously don't occupy it now. And then the Greater Israel project is in full force, except by this time, it's paid for by the U.S. taxpayer finance for the U.S. dollar. That's the really, like, sick and insane part of it. Yeah. And there's a put E2 up on the screen. There happens to be a crypto scam also at the heart of this. I mean, just to put the most modern dystopian spin on it possible, those who, those Palestinians who own land will be offered a digital token by the trust in exchange for rights to redevelop their property. offered that. How kind of them? They'll get a digital token for their land that they, you know, have had in their family for generations. Unbelievable. And then, you know, as this is happening and

unfolding again, I'm in front of our eyes. You can put E3 up on the screen. You have the foremost association of scholars of genocide who just voted overwhelmingly. It was 86% or something to say, yes, it's a genocide. And they join the, they join the view of the provisional ruling of the ICJ. They joined the view of other scholars around the world, of Amnesty International, of Betzalam, of all sorts of international human rights organizations. Like, Sager doesn't use that term, so put him aside. But for those who embrace this term and think that it means something and think that it should apply in certain situations, there is a consensus now, and it is no longer a question.

Well, I wouldn't deny that within the confines of the term, there doesn't say. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. And that's what I'm, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Sure. And look, I mean, and this is part of what, where Netanyahu, this is part of why, because it all gets, you know, wrapped in the thing. Netanyahu goes on PVD and he's like, of course I'll recognize the Armenian genocide, right? And it's like, so the Armenian genocide was a genocide. And it was a mass murder, but this one is not. And so then it gets all this tedious genocide, you know, oh, this and that. It goes back. I've talked about this from 1948, the genocide convention. It was literally a term made up by a Polish writer in the 1940s. It was basically meant to invoke like a post-World War II. of quote-to-quote, never again, even though by its own terms has obviously happened over and over again. That's broadly why I just reject the term. I think mass murderers fine. And because I

think that in general, if you operate based on American interest, or if most countries do, then a lot of these things won't happen. The only reason that stuff like this even does happen is because of the slavish devotion that we have over at Israel. If it was treated like a normal state, they would be killing nobody. And if other people, if Western-style democracies and others really lived up to their... My point is just that nobody ever... actually lives up to this human rights style rhetoric because it's bullshit. It's just fake law created post-World War II to make America feel good about itself, even though we have, and many other countries, have perpetuated horrific disasters, point then. But yes, within that

framework, of course, I would deny it at all. Yeah, no. I mean, it's undeniable at this point. 10% of the population, again, either murdered or injured, and they're actively announcing their ethnic cleansing plans. Like, what are we doing here if you're still in denial of that? All right, guys, Rather than doing the hard turn to the U.S. Open controversy, we've talked for a really long time about a number of these topics. So we're just going to cut the show and go ahead and try to get it out to you guys on time. And Sager and I are going to go ahead and do that AMA live. Again, if you want to take part in those AMA lives, if you want to support actual independent news and journalism, please support us over at breakingpoints.com.

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