Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - BREAKING: Israel CAUGHT Manipulating Al-Shifa Hospital Evidence

Episode Date: November 18, 2023

Krystal breaks down the latest in Gaza after Israel raided the Al Shifa hospital and moves on to escalate attacks in the south.   To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show uncut and 1 hour early visit: https://breakingpoints.supercast.com/   Merch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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UN-run school within a refugee camp. Estimates of casualties at this point are quite high. The numbers I've seen are dozens of people killed, more than 50 or at least 50 killed in that attack. This is a place in the northern part of the Gaza Strip. It's in one of those refugee camps that has been hit repeatedly. And the reason that the casualty numbers appear to be so high is because you had thousands of people who were sheltering in this UN-run school. We do have a report from a Qatari-affiliated Al Jazeera on the ground showing some of the scenes of horror that are unfolding there right now. Let's take a look.

Yes, the Jabalia refugee camp has been bombarded again by the Israeli occupation forces. And this time, a new United Nations shelter had been completely attacked by the Israeli forces where people are taking shelter inside this school. Now, with the ongoing attacks that took place in the north of Gaza Strip, the majority of people tend to United Nations shelters and the vicinity of the Indonesian hospital in order to be protected from the Israeli occupation fire. So this comes, of course, as we have been continuing to follow the carnage and the fallout from the raiding of Al-Shifa Hospital. And I have some updates for you there as well. So there are some conflicting reports

about whether or not the IDF demanded that everyone evacuate from that hospital. But we can go ahead and show you some of the scenes of chaos inside as doctors say they rushed to try to prepare patients as best as they possibly could, many of whom you see here are horrifically injured, to attempt to flee and evacuate on foot. Now, the IDF is saying that they were not demanding that people evacuate, but we can see from radar images that certainly there are hundreds of people leaving this hospital on foot right now. And you can imagine just what an unbelievably difficult, to use the lightest term possible,. That is, you have people who are

gravely injured, trying to flee with already incredibly compromised wounds. There are no vehicles. The roads are very difficult. It's incredibly dangerous. And you already have quite a toll that has been taken on human life here. You could put this up on the screen. So the director of al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza reports that the siege by Israeli forces has now killed everyone in the intensive care unit. That is 22 people, they said, who were in the ICU unit who have already been killed from their wounds because of a lack of electricity, a lack of basic supplies, and I'm sure also partly a lack of manpower due

to how many people are in that hospital and we're trying to seek care. You also had six dialysis patients who have been killed at this point. And the latest reports that I saw were, you know, at least four of those premature babies that were dependent on the incubators. And of course, the incubators lost electricity when the hospital ran out of fuel. At least four of those premature babies have been killed at this point. Now, you'll recall the Israeli justification for this incredible assault on a hospital, which typically is under international law completely out of bounds. it's typically considered a war crime unless you have absolutely exceptional circumstances. So you'll recall the case that they made to the public of

why it was that they needed to attack this hospital. They said, this is basically Hamas Grand Central. They released a computer-generated image of all of the elaborate layer and tunnel system underneath of the hospital that they said was effectively operating as Hamas headquarters. They claimed there may be hostages there. They claimed that there may be a firefight from Hamas militants as they went into the hospital. And so in order to justify what would otherwise be a war crime, they've been trying to proffer some level of evidence to the public to justify this assault on the hospital, which, again, has already caused significant dozens of lives lost because of the starving of this hospital of fuel and then the raid on the hospital facility. So far, they have not turned up a lot of certainly not sufficient evidence, not a lot of evidence in general. We showed you in one of the shows last week

the videos and the photos that they offered of guns that they claimed they found on the premises. We also have this, put this up on the screen. This is sort of the latest development. They released this video and images of what they say is a tunnel that was used by Hamas militants on the property of the hospital.

However, they say that they have not actually gone in the tunnel in order to find out where it goes or what may be inside. They say they're fearful of booby traps, which is something they've encountered in Hamas tunnels in the past. I would just say, number one, we should be incredibly skeptical because of a lot of the Israeli evidence that has been offered in the past that has fallen apart, especially when they say, oh, sorry, journalists, you can't go in. Sorry, we haven't even been able to go in. And also, additionally, because recall the distance between the portrayal and the evidence that's being offered now, they said they knew exactly where the locations of these tunnels were. They issued graphical representation showing the different areas of the hospital complex that they said contained these Hamas tunnels and were being used as command centers, etc. So far, and now we're multiple days in, they have not shown anything that looks even close to what they were presenting this as. And from an American perspective,

also important to remember, the day before this hospital raid, John Kirby, NSC spokesperson, basically went out to the public and said, oh, we have our own intelligence that backs up the Israeli claims. Again, so far, nothing approaching the case that they laid out has actually been proven. We've had pictures of 10 or so guns and a box of dates and some WD-40. And furthermore, BBC actually caught them manipulating some of the evidence that they claim to be using to prove that Hamas was using this hospital for military purposes, something that, again, the doctors who work at this hospital also denied. Let's take a look at this BBC report of what they found. This IDF animation posted in late October

claims to represent a Hamas tunnel system underneath the hospital. But having been inside al-Shifa since early Wednesday, Israel's yet to produce evidence of the tunnels. It has allowed the BBC and Fox News to film at the hospital, though only locations of Israel's choice. This is what they found. Israel also released its own seven-minute video, which BBC verifiers analysed. A watch visible in that video suggests it was filmed a few hours before the BBC arrived. And this IDF video was posted, then deleted, then reposted, this time without a section referring to an Israeli soldier who'd been held hostage.

I don't know when this was used the last time. Also in the video, we see a room with an MRI machine. And if you zoom in and we get some light over here, what you'll be able to see is military equipment. The BBC was shown the same room. And what we see in the two videos doesn't precisely match. For example, there's one gun in the IDF video, two by the time of the BBC footage.

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though we can't verify how it came to be there. And what we see in this IDF video doesn't equate to Israel's description of al-Shifa as an operational command center for Hamas. The U.S. is using a different phrase, saying al-Shifa was used as a command and control node. That implies a much smaller facility. Israel is adamant this hospital was a command center, but for now at least, it's either not found supporting evidence or it's not sharing it. You'll remember too, this was the video that originally was put up as evidence by the IDF that it was taken down for a time, then it was edited and re-uploaded. This was a video, as they point out, that supposedly had no edits whatsoever. Well,

they catch them making an edit. And then they also catch the number of guns changing in this location where they claimed, oh, this is just what we found there. And they made a variety of excuses for that. So far, and, Western media outlets like the New York Times reporting that this evidence falls far short of what they claimed in going in originally to Al-Shifa. And again, stakes here, obviously incredibly high for the human beings who, you know, dozens of whom have already lost their lives at this hospital. The doctors who have been operating in unimaginable circumstances, doing their best to preserve as much life as they possibly can. The thousands of people who had sheltered here,

the hundreds of patients who had been trying to seek care, trying to survive through all of this. And if you target a hospital without extraordinary circumstances of it being used aggressively for a central military purpose, that is a war crime. So that's why evaluating this evidence and understanding what happens here is so incredibly important. So in addition, you now have a shifting narrative from the Israelis about exactly what they expected to find at the hospital. We brought you some of this in the show last week. Going in, it was Hamas HQ.

Then suddenly after they went in, it was, well, we didn't really expect to find the hostages there. Of course, Hamas fled before we showed up. Of course, they brought a lot of what they had there with them. And now they are actively and aggressively targeting the very area of Gaza that they had told people to flee to. Remember, millions of people have already been forcibly displaced in Gaza. One out of 56 residents of Gaza has already been killed or injured. And they told people that you have to leave the north. You have to go to the

South. Otherwise, you're going to be considered a terrorist and you're going to be subject to attack. But guess what? The South is not safe. And in fact, attacks on the South have ramped up since they have told people to flee to that part of the Gaza Strip. So go ahead and put this up on the screen. This is a catch from Matt Bender. You can see on one graphic, you've got them, the IDF saying, oh, of course, Hamas HQ is under al-Shifa. And now you have a former Israeli prime minister saying, well, actually, Hamas HQ now is in Khan Yunus, which is a city in the southern part of Gaza where many people went and fled to. So now we have at least 26 Palestinians just now killed in an Israeli airstrike on a residential neighbor in Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip. This is according to Al Jazeera. You can see this

reporting up on the screen. So they've now moved on from Gaza city is basically completely obliterated. Um, there is nothing left there effectively to go back to, um, the majority of homes, residential buildings, schools, apartment buildings, mosques, churches, hospitals, et cetera. I mean, it's just, it's just rubble. There's nothing left. And so what they told people is, okay, you leave there and go to the South and you'll be safe. And one of the places people fled to is Khan Yunus, and now it's coming under aggressive attack. But that is not the only place. Put this up on the screen from NPR. Their report here quantifies just how it's not that the South has consistently been struck. It's actually the attacks on the southern part of

the Gaza Strip where people were told to move to have escalated since they told people to leave the North. They're actually hitting the places that they fled to harder after people moved out of the North. So they say Israel told Palestinians to evacuate to southern Gaza and stepped up attacks there. Families have risked journeys through the blasted landscape of destroyed buildings and corpses along the road that Israel has designated as a humanitarian corridor through the war. For the few hours each day that the road is open, people carry or drag wounded loved ones. They push wheelchairs with patients just out of surgery and hospitals have now stopped working. Mothers pull along weary children who look around with blank,

fearful stares. But what awaits Palestinians who move south is still life-threatening. The evacuation areas are both heavily bombarded. And in a dire humanitarian crisis, as Israel's blockade of fuel and control of aid into the Gaza Strip leaves people searching for food and access to clean water. They're underscoring there the horrific humanitarian situation for everyone in the Gaza Strip. The fact that there is wildly insufficient food, wildly insufficient water, basically no fuel whatsoever has created an absolute humanitarian catastrophe with diseases spreading rampantly and people desperately just trying to find the next meal enough to feed and keep them and their families alive. They go on to say Israel's

use of the term evacuation for sending Palestinians to southern areas is really problematic because it conjures up an idea of a safe route to a place of safety. This according to Caitlin Proctor, research fellow at the Center on Conflict Development and Peacebuilding at the Geneva Graduate Institute. But the reality is there is no safe place left in Gaza for people to go. And so that's where we are today. We have horrors that unfolded at Al-Shifa Hospital, horrors that unfolded at this UN-run school within a refugee camp, and now horrors unfolding in southern Gaza where people thought perhaps they may be safe. Already millions forcibly displaced from their homes. And of course, all of this calls into question, what is the future of the Gaza Strip?

There's nothing to go back to in Gaza City. It has effectively been turned into rubble. The meme of the parking lot, you know, just obliterated all that's effectively been done already in Gaza city. And as I said before, the toll on the population here is unfathomable. One in 56, one in 56, think about that. Palestinians in Gaza already killed or wounded. And now the vice grip of the IDF tightening around even the southern part of Gaza and raising the question of what is the future for these people anywhere? We've, of course, tracked closely here the statements of Israeli officials about how their ideal solution would be to push them out of the Gaza Strip altogether. There's another report this morning that they're hoping Egypt will just take over completely

and, you know, again, effectively displace these people permanently from their homes once again, Nakba 2023, as one Israeli security cabinet member put it. And that is the state of affairs that we are looking at today. We'll be back on Monday. We'll be tracking, of course, everything that unfolds over the weekend. We've already got a bunch of updates we want to bring you on Monday as well. So everybody enjoy your weekend and we will see you soon. I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time. Have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.

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