Brian and James Fuck Each Other - Episode 159 : Conversations With Friends

Episode Date: June 3, 2022

Sally Rooney : Rise of the Foot Soldier

Yeah. All right. So what else we're talking about? We're going to talk about Shari Temple. So we were downstairs. How do we even get into this? Why do you bring up? We were watching a movie that Shane put on. Yeah. It was like a PSA. Yeah, it's like, so it's from the 40s and it's Burgess Meredith. No, let me set the scene. Okay. Shane puts on this thing. We did not know Burgess Meredith was in this. No, it's just this black and white. It's just like it's all about our soldiers. Basically the whole thing is like, how

like it was like a training video an instructional video to American US soldiers like when you come to England if you're stationed during World War II during World War II there's certain ways you have to behave you have to be aware of certain cultural norms and how

it's different to America so it's kind of like yeah as you say a PSA or instructional video and it basically boils down to don't be an asshole and they went through a number of scenes like scenarios it was meant to be that then went a bit weird I couldn't really follow it.

I got a bit fantasy real like there was a big poof of smoke where a guy vanished but we're getting ahead of ourselves so we're watching this video Shane put on because it's historical it's interesting we like history

and then you like a dog to see a squirrel okay you start you stood up and you're like oh oh oh I couldn't even like I couldn't even express it

vocally in words I was like yeah I like whew whew whew whew whew whew And it's, I was like, that is Burgess Meredith. And you're like, you're like, James. You didn't go off your meds again, did you?

Boys, I'm telling you us now. As sure as the day is night, that is Burgess Meredith. Yeah, and you're like, I bet you it is, I bet you money. We're like, yeah, okay, we believe you. No, I bet you. And down. Well, no, I admit it. Initially there was, you, you know.

I was with you. Yeah, but the other lands were like. The naysayers. They were neighing. They were neighing. Like a horse is like. A bunch of nears. I was on your side.

I was on your side. And then I googled it, I think. And we found out straight away. If you don't know who Burgess Meredith is, kill yourself. Yeah. But no, he played the penguin in the 60s Adam West Batman series.

But more famously, he played Mickey, who was Rocky's trainers. Rocky, you bum. You can't beat up clubberlang. You know? Yeah. So that's who Burgess Merit. he's very charming in the video

very charming very charming good looking yeah in a kind of quirky way it's just quirkiness to him silliness

I wasn't expecting that from him he's quite funny like I even remember like him as Mickey the coach he's not to do this really angry

grumpy con which he is but he's quite funny like you know yeah he's not playing like in a real like bitter sour way

he's playing it in like almost like a cartoon he's a believable cartoon so the video starts with a pub an English pub pub Burgess Merritt is like, okay, it's a pub.

It's kind of like he's just sort of standing on the sidelines and narratings like now, see what happens when the boys playing darts with the Scotsman get something wrong. Yeah, so then they show like a nice serene pub, okay? English people

and they almost, it's like a wildlife documentary. Very nice and clean and quiet and everyone there you know, just good, honest folk, you know what I mean? just you feel safe you feel like you could leave your

purse on the table go to the bathroom and it's fine let's say they wouldn't show off when they're playing basketball okay so it's very like a nature document you're like okay look over there they have the old man in the pub he reads the newspaper they have the woman who serves the drinks she's a bit

sassy and then you'll say there's an old fellow there with a newspaper of course he can't read the words because most Brits are illiterate but he enjoys the pictures you know the black and white pictures remind him of a simpler time

so then they show a Yankee come in yeah the real stereotypical like Yankee doodle kind of guy who comes in oh hey what's going on here yeah all right yeah and then he means he's like

grab people the shoulder like you'll what up dude and he starts like you know like aggressively flirting with the barmaid you say flirting he's just touching her face being like hey honey yeah exactly yeah that's what they like isn't it grabbing the tits and stuff like that.

You gotta break the ice somehow. Yeah, exactly. Especially back down. It's a fucking war on. And he's like, Mr. Hitler's outside. Yeah. Shut up.

Let me grab your tits. So then like, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, like he's like, you know. They're wearing a kilt and the big hat. The whole get up. And the whole time... Surprise he didn't have bagpipes up his ass. The whole time the Yankees doing this bird's mirror is like,

oh, the Scots don't like that. Yeah. Like that. And then it's a bit weird, as you mentioned. So the Scots are about to fight him or something like that. that and he goes oh i better get out of here and he he says oh time for me to blow and then he just vanishes in a big puff of smoke yeah very strange strange that doesn't come back no one else has magical powers in it yeah it's it's kind of the only time it ever sort of uh broke the laws

of you know whatever physics and reality and good good fucking honest decency yeah so then but maybe you know what that was i think that was a slight nod to the the people who can read between the lines because of course the Nazis were practicing the dark arts and the occult that's how they got the moon base you know everyone knows that that's a matter of historical record that's fact

that is fact so Adolf Hitler was studying Alistair Crowley he was drinking that's why you know them Alsatians around man he was just fucking those Alsatians and painting them drinking his own piss yeah he was fucking Alsatian like Alice there's some help with someone in the devil right now it's like

no not really the Jews hate this right Al sister? Oh yeah, maybe. Nowadays, like, I'm pissing off the lives. Like, oh, I'm pissing off the Jews. We're gonna fuck all these dogs. Don't you want to, but let's do it.

Yeah, I wonder if Hitler had a cup that said Jewish tears that he drank his coffee out of it. So, yeah, all the Hitler stuff actually used to get away from the bird's murder for a minute. Like, he was proper into this stuff.

I used to think he was like he was dabbling. No, he was like, you know, he was like... He was on Met and he was trying to summon the devil. was completely like fucking methed up, coked off his head basically, he was just like on onphetamines the whole time, but he was

like very, like, they like looked into the occult and dark arts they were very obsessed with the idea of immortality. Yeah. Achieving immortality, that was kind of the main thing. And their whole plan, you know where people have like a five year plan? Yes. They had like a thousand and thousand year plan. It was like a thousand year plan.

Yeah. A thousand year plan. Basically have you ever been at a gaff party? Coked off your head is like, man, we're going to start our own fucking, it's our own startup company man it's an NFT meets a gaming company but we also we're a brewery

but we're also a barbers you know what I mean it's like everything together man and there's going to be music there and tit and slam poetry and you slam the tits on it's going to be great man it sounds basically the Nazis

obviously there were a lot of them wore on like serious crack like serious yeah they all had like amphetamines they're smoking shit Hitler had like tin fun you're smoking shit

Man I got that good good man Please Y'all want these cheeseburgers Man man Man I suck your dick Please man Oh Zephyrera He's crazy today

Like if you read about Like the tall people in the Antarctic There's giants in the Antarctic There are Aryans Really? This is true yeah They live in there okay They're about twice the size of you

They're very very tall people Kind of like weird Dangley weird Like got long arms okay Kind of like Peter Crouch Exactly A Peter Crouch Reyes in the Antarctic

They all have podcasts There's a bunch of Peter Crouches In the Antarctic And the Nazis met him Bunch a bunch of crouchers Yeah Yeah Because they're tall

They have to crouch It works on so many levels Pugh, pew, pew Maybe I'm messed up man I'm thinking I'm all over the place You know how Crouch he met his wife What? It's a heartwarming tale

He joined Liverpool He went to a hotel He didn't have a house who moved into a hotel for a while, the receptionist. He saw the receptionist. He's like, that's going to be my wife someday.

Nice. Then he married her. Sweet. Yeah. Isn't that a nice story? That's cool. Wouldn't you like that story someday? Yeah, yeah.

I'm not going to have that story. Mine's going to be much more depressing. You know how, like, in a hotel, they leave a mint on your pillow. I wonder she's got like a tick-tack up or twat. Every morning. Every morning he wakes up. He's like, hmm, delicious.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fishy tic tic tics, yeah. okay but yeah there's joint peter crouches this all ties into the Nazis

and the occult yeah yeah which also ties into Burgess Meriden who is this for who is enjoying this

this is incomprehensible gibberish and I love it I'm trying to make a good point here sorry go on I'll stop no I'm just saying

like that is in some Nazi text did say they met giants in the Antarctic there were Aryans as in like so when you say

Nazi texts like who is writing them. Someone probably coaked out his headlight but there is people who said

that oh I went on the expedition and we saw these giant Nazi basically Aryan figures they were very tall and blonde and I'm sorry

were they like were they naturally born that way or not real I don't think well no but in the folklore oh they're natural yeah yeah

they weren't like cooked up in a Nazi lab running from hollow earth I believe oh right yeah yeah and they're like

that's a sign there like we're in the right track they're like where are these guys oh we lost the map but they're definitely

out there that's wild and they were probably like you were joking about moon base and shit

like that they had all this shit's planned like yeah yeah yeah they had lots of stuff

it would have basically be like Star Trek yeah yeah I mean that would have been they would have got

past like Star Trek like Star Trek everyone know why the Klingons they had warlocks and Kardashians

and everything book Jews nice they also had an alien in Star Trek I'm not joking here he had a big nose and you love

money. Oh. He was like the Ferengi I think they're called. They're from a race that love money. You know like

Jakey rolling gets a little shit for like the goblins that were like In the bank. Yeah. Even though that's a kind

of generic trope and like a lot of like like like obviously like in a lot of fantasy the weird little monsters look after the money. Yeah.

Now I think about it maybe all those tropes are anti-sameh Yeah you know all the stuff you like Brian it's problematic. You're just having this awakening like

Wait, what? The BBC minstrel show as well? Oh, no, is nothing sacred? Yeah. Not Bruce Forsype. I bet Burgess Meredith did blackface in his time. When he was cast the penguin, they're like, maybe don't do the blackface. It's a bit distracting.

Anyway, so yeah, it's a video of him going around England and he learns things about like how pennies work. Yeah. And the reason we got into Sherry Temple is the bit where he's hanging out with children Yeah, yeah, he's just sort of walking through a field and there's all these little school kids, they kind of run up

to him, they're like, hey, and they take him, the kids are like, they grab his hand, and sort of... Two boys, not girls, even worse. Two boys take his hand and sort of lead him into their school, into their classroom. So Burgess Meredith

sits down and puts one of the kids on his lap. The kid doesn't job on his lap people are grasping by the neck basically and put them on his lap like a dog out of a barrel and the teacher

doesn't say anything teacher is well used to this and that class goes on for quite a long time and then it's just the teacher talking about geography and then eventually

cuts back to Burgess Meritus and then he basically picks the kid up and flings him off like anyway now that I'm done with that little cum buckets

let's say what are you teaching me here fucking yeah and then Wells. Then, like, he gets some tea and, like, oh, in England, they like tea. Yeah. I don't know how much it has helped the soldiers. Yeah, I don't know how any of that shit

is applicable to, like, defeating the Nazis. You do have to think, though. Like, you know, it just goes to show. The Nazis are in the Antarctic finding Peter Crouches and the Americans have got fucking Burgess Meredith drinking tea and raping children. I'm just saying,

you can kind of see how both sides got it right at certain respects you know what I mean it's like you know you can kind of game respect game that's all I'll say it's a great area here somewhere

but yeah so that's got it's on the Shirley Temple then so we're talking about like that's a weird scene with kids and then you were talking about oh I know I know lots of weird scenes of kids yeah I know them all I've got them catalog you know where I saw this I'm on a website called childlust.com

Jesus Christ it's dot org you freak No, where I saw it was in college Like one of our lecturers She played at first Because she kind of made this point It's like

People seem to look at the Back at the Golden Age of Hollywood And think You know, it was very innocent And when you compare it to now Now is so like You know highly hypersexual And aggressive

And blah blah Blahs like It was just as bad If not worse back then Then she played this scene From a, I assume a movie I'll get up Will you talk to you'll get up

And it's Shirley Temple She's a little child's she's like fucking four or five years old right yeah she's on a train and there's all these old like businessmen middle-aged businessmen and she's walking up and down the aisle dancing and singing and she's wearing a little dress and she like sits on their laps at some point and it's like kissing them on the cheek and they're all just like layering at her and it's fucking really creepy and weird i remember my lecture she just like put that on it's like don't be fool like it was fucking just as grim like because this was in the wake of the me too era

My lecture was showing us this, so, yeah. So we're going to watch it here. Already they're grabbing her chest. Yeah, they're grabbing her, picking her up. Basically, like she's a rag doll. Yeah. She's on a train singing, and it's all men, and they're all touching her. Yeah.

And now they put some, they put a pie on her face. Yeah, it's cream piter. A cream pie on her face. And now her face is covered in white cream while the men touch her. And now look at this. She starts prancing up and down the eye. Look how tiny her dress is. It's just, it's creepy across.

the boards. But here's the thing though there was a thing back in the day where in a hebe file is very different. You remember 300, those guys were ripped all right and they had boyfriends I mean boys that were friendly with them. I mean children. What's the day about that? They were Jack

dude. Do you want to be like Gerard Butler? Or do you want to be a freak? You just said, fuck children. Okay, what are you going to say though? There was a time. There was a case. I heard about Jack Ruby. Okay. Oh wow. of playing. So, Jack Ruby, who shortly Harvey Oswald,

this is a particularly not mentally healthy episode. But he ran a strip club, of course. Yes. And I would listen to a podcast about a strip club.

Okay. He was saying the guy, the host, okay, was that strip clubs back then, it wasn't just like, nowadays it's very seedy where it's like a pole

and girls like have their tits out and then they take money from you and then you lose your credit card, all right? You feel like a big asshole. but back then it was more variety show so they'd have like

burlesque and stuff the burlesque they would have some place you weren't allowed show actual tits I think it's still like that in some states in America today back then

you could do everything apart from tits okay so you have you know the flower kind of like oh yeah yeah yeah the fan girls

like you almost see it but you don't they're doing the can can can can they have like what's a can can can't can you the can and they're like kicking

oh da-dana oh okay and they have comedians and they would have shit like to get a child on, just the example to use, and he would recite the alphabet backwards. Okay. A child? Yeah. Why?

Just as something like, because it was variety. It was like everything and they tried and get your attention. So you've seen, you almost saw some tits. Here's a child. Yeah. Here's Rodney Dangerfield. Now some more tits. Wow.

What more do you want? So there was a bit more of let's get children in their entertainment then. And again, like the anti-Semitic goblins, Now I'm thinking they probably had the kids there because they're already fucking I'm like might as well use them for something Exactly yeah

No But Sherry Temple her story is very interesting I mean she did come out later and say as she was But like you know They gave her speed like Yeah it was the same with like Judy Garland They'd like give her speed And diet pills to keep her skinny

And then sedatives to help her sleep at night Give her booze All while she was a child Then of course there was a sort of casting couch stuff but like it was just you know she was basically treated like a prop or a piece of meat back then it's pretty disgusting

you know what she ended up doing go on she became a United States ambassador for Czechoslovakia ugh Jesus have less respect for her now yeah Lewis B. Mayor should have slapped her around a bit more

but yeah I think someone tried to kill her at one stage as well knock some sense into that wacky dame someone tried to kill her why some guy uh I think he was just kind of like you know like the whole when the guy who killed Reagan to impress Jody Foster he didn't kill Reagan

you fool he tried to kill Ray yeah yeah yeah I think he was like I think he was like oh if I kill Sherry Temple I'll be the most famous and sexy man in the world don't even a drink after me instead the Shirley Temple

Pido killer hmm taste good goes down smooth so that's about Shirley Temple let's move on to conversations with friends. Yeah. The new Sally Rooney.

Yeah. Now, have you watched normal people? I saw maybe like the, back when I lived in the house where you live now. Yeah. They were watching normal people. So I've seen a few episodes. I never watched the whole way through. Do you remember normal?

I didn't care for it. Normal people was a cultural moment. It was a phenomenon of sorts. It was a literal phenomena. Yeah. Like everyone was talking about it. If I'm thankful it was during COVID, because otherwise, every comedian would be talking about that

and they all be like the punchline and stuff like that and now it's kind of we've moved on very quickly and it's weird because remember like normal people came out around the same time was the last dance

so I get those kind of confused in my head a bit like the Michael Jordan documentary yeah I get a little bit confused I'm watching normal people like we're Scotty Pippin but it was a huge thing I remember like live lined

that became a big thing where every day people were calling up because they saw Paul Meskel's cock yeah they were like outraged Spires? Yeah, yeah. Proper outreach. It's kind of like

a little bit like when Cheney O'Connor ripped a picture of the Pope. Like it was like a big, it was a water cooler moment. Yeah. Which is rare these days. Fucking Paul Maskell

ripped your one's hymen like it was a picture of the Pope. Yeah, exactly. She was a virgin, right? Huh? Folks, it tracks. It works. It makes sense.

Inherent to the joke. Biologically, it makes sense. There's nothing to be mad at there. He ripped a twat open. Like wet tissue paper. What do you want from me? Treat me like I'm fucking

Half a fay with something How far did you get into normal people? They were So it starts off in Sligo And then she's sad I think the dad was touching her In my head cannon Wait she had a dad

The dad wasn't around But in my imagination He was touching her Yeah And they're probably She was Shirley Temple Exactly yeah And they're probably

What were they watching I'm probably watching Doctor Who All right And then he was like come over here and he like brought her over and then he gave

her little experimentate experimentate oh we're getting so silly I know wait it's late I know

it's late oh fuck okay so normal people yeah it was a big thing but like it was probably the most graphic sex scenes

ever sort of produced also screen very boring sex scenes yeah but the whole thing they make sex scenes like remember power

yes it's like sex scenes for women yeah and gay people see yeah the whole thing about this is like the first time they have sex he's he's all like is this okay are you good is this all right like and again yeah that's good that's good hooray and they show them putting on the condom and all that yeah and he's all like you're sure this is still okay and even though i'm not making you calm it's still okay and then later on once they she's like you can hit me if you want he's like oh what do you mean by that Wait, did she really say that? Yeah, she said that there on Oh, I didn't see that man She's like, he can slap me, and hit me and he starts crying because he's a little fairy Like, he doesn't start crying?

I think, yeah, they broke up then, didn't I? They break up, it's like on an off relationship. Okay, how does it end? I don't know, I didn't make it. It's like 12 episodes, man. Yeah, I couldn't be arced, man. Here's thing, if you met those people in real life and they were telling you about, like, their problems,

you wouldn't listen to him, like. Like, yeah, I didn't, I didn't care for it. Like, I liked asking for it. what was that that was a book by Louise O'Neill about a girl that gets raped okay that's something happens there a bit of action all right

something happens it's sexy it grabs you by the ball what Hitchcock said the smoking gun the bomb on their table the MacGuffin so yeah it's about a girl

who gets raped it's very good The McMuffin nah sorry I try you're cotton you'll get back to it you're circled around to it

yeah MacGuffin but yeah McComton go muffin I don't know whatever anyway you're bored now

you're like ah fuck this I'm going to bed I just leave I never come back oh what was even saying so it's about a girl that gets raped

and it's about how the town reacts to the lads pay hurling and they're going to lose the big game if she reveals it they're going to lose the under tens

championship fucking a bunch of nine year olds pulled a train on her We gonna make you squeal, bitch. Oh, yeah. You're in the wrong part of town right now, girl. You're stepping in this, McDono's.

We own this shit. Yeah, McGee, you a happy meal. Ho? Yeah. Asking for it. The reimagining by James Cat. I made a few changes. It's like the ways.

Anyway. Okay. What was he even saying? I don't know what I'm saying. Where are we doing? Oh, wow. Yeah. What were we at?

We're at 25 minutes. Wow. It felt like a lot longer. Anyway, let's get back to normal people. Normal people. What point was trying to make? So yeah, asking for it, book, a very interesting book, and it'd go into a lot of stuff for like, you know,

I don't even know what to talk about because I want to reveal too much about it. But it's kind of like, she doesn't know herself fully if she was raped or not because she's so blacked out. Jobs to years of rape in a way. Yeah, it's the grey area.

And then I suppose, I imagine it also deals with how people in the town react. And they're all kind of like, don't be... Yeah, don't rock the boat or ruffle the feathers. That, you know, like, it's a weird thing is like the sort of

closed-knit Irish community gets romanticized a bit too much where people... Oh, definitely romanticise. Yeah, but then people forget the negative side of that is there's a lot of sort of group think mob and town. It's like, oh, come on, their love. Don't

root it for the boys, the big game. The town really needs this, you know? So like, the parents are initially like, oh, yeah, you should go to the police. So they go to police, nothing really happens, can't prove it. And then, like, three years later, it's, you know, they're like, oh, you still go on about that. Like, can we move on, please?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's even worse than your emo phase. Do you know that, Mary? when you head the fringe and all but now it is chills and you're listening listening to Tori Amos all nights

all hours on the night and she gets all skinny and sad I think people bully her on Twitter and stuff like that very interesting book very well I liked about it as well okay and I think Jillian Flynn made this point

is that her name she wrote Gone Girl okay okay she said there's too many women in books that are almost like perfect they're like Mary Sue you think to call on

where it's just like they're completely in not like, it's a bit too one dimensional. People need to be flawed and sort of, yeah, yeah. So the woman who gets raped and asking for her is a bit of a cunt. Okay. She actually, there's a girl who gets, I think, a little bit sexually harassed with someone

else and she's kind of like, ah, don't make a big deal of it. Yeah. And then she gets raped, so it kind of like the Twilight Zone away. Oh, shit. Like the scary new Twilight Zone. Yeah, yeah. Not with the good old Rod Sterling one, yeah. Anyway, yeah, so I'm just saying something happens in that book. Yeah. And you kind of

you see, set up characters, something happens, see how the character react. Yeah. Her book, Sally Rooney, normal people, for instance, none really happens. I mean, I guess that probably is the point, though.

I mean, it's called normal people. So it's like, this is the life that we all sort of had to an extent. So it's like mumble core, literary mumblecore. Yeah, yeah. But that's all our books, like, the last three books have been like that.

White people in the literary world feeling sad because they feel sad. Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, I have all this affluence, but I still feel unfulfilled. Yeah. Millennial on We, like. Athluenza.

Millennials are like old. You know those like Generation Alpha now? Oh, really? Yeah, you know Gen Z? Yeah. They're old now. Wow. No one cares.

It's Generation Alpha. Alpha? Yeah. Ironic. Yeah, that's a bit weird, isn't it? That's my little hope there when they named it that. Yeah. So they're ones that are born.

Generation Big Cocks. The ones who grew up during Zoom, basically. Right. During COVID, like. Are they not Zoomers, no? No, this is beyond zoomers. Oh, so, Gen Z are zoomers? What is this fucking nonsense

that we all live in now? I mean, people say our podcast is fucking retarded and confusing. Take a look around you, people. Yeah, look in the mirror. Wake up and smell the coffee, bitch. Now we've got fucking Generation Alpha Brain a bunch of Joe Rogan's out there running around saying guns are good and trans is bad.

And I'm the problem. I can't get booked anymore. so normal people i watched a lot of it i think i stopped when what's the name of the girl was it marie there was connell and i think marie yeah i think it's marie she started getting to like bondage yeah it's kind of like they went to college no yeah it wasn't like they kind of hooked up in school and then they went to college and they were kind of went their separate ways but then they met up started going out proper but he's like i can't kiss you in public because i have the social anxiety Yeah.

And then he's... I were supposed to like him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though he's a freak. Yeah. Yeah, he's a weirdo with his six-packing and tight little body

and those fucking abs. Oh my God. You could just cut glass and great cheese at the same time. You fucking little whore! And then Anne-Marie comes in and ruins it with her little tits.

Get out of here, pig. I want Connell Cock 24-7. But remember she got into Dominatrix? I know, I didn't get back. I went to Belgium and then met someone and she was like, I want to feel pain. And the Belgian guy was like, yeah, I'm more than welcome.

Yeah, I'm more than willing to do that. Yeah. It brings out a drill then. I've, uh, I didn't get that far. I think it's like very weak, white people. Bondage. Yeah, yeah. It's like a little whip.

And like, ooh, take that. Like a cat of nine tails. And they play sad music and she cries like, oh no, that went too far. Yeah. And then I think they don't get together in the end. In the end. I don't know for sure. but I think that you want me to look it up

you can do if you want I don't think that help the energy it's best to make it up yeah yeah yeah so I don't think they did I think that's the message there sometimes they're really awkward

of first relationship you can keep trying to work on it but it's like a house with a bad foundation the cracks will show you're right you're right Brian oh my God

that was my safety squad that was my backup player oh god I'm so a lot that's all fucked isn't it but anyway look she's back now with conversations with friends no one's talking about this

as we said normal people absolute cultural phenomena not even just here but bigger than avatar in the states yeah yeah bigger than Abbott you know Obama said it's one of his best books of the year

yeah he kind of says that a lot though he does he have anything yeah in New York everyone had a copy and there's all these tink pieces in New York magazines about what does Sally Rudy really mean? Is Sally Rooney the voice of a new generation?

No. The new millennial voice. No. Is she saying what we're all too afraid to think? What was she saying? That teenage love is kind of awkward sometimes? Yeah. So what? The Connell's a retard? We all knew that. I mean, aren't we all

just searching for our own chicken fillet roll from the local mace or centra if that's your preference yeah I don't get why this translated to America because it's in the fucking middle of Mayo or Sligo yeah yeah yeah disgusting

Sligo's like fucking sticks and it's like oh you're going to the Debs yeah what that is Hell Hill you do you do you do a bit of finger in at the Debs would you hey yeah I'm going to make my own version of Monaghan normal people

Abnormal people Oh she ya hey fucking drinking a bottle of doing a couple of bitch he's up to turn mom and the New Yorker puts out a thing piece is James Cairton's

normal people very anti-Semitic we think so yeah you're just like a goblin in it just hanging around at school we're a big we're like little gold

yeah step into my lair anyway this is nonsense so she's back now we show and nobody's talking about it every it's made by Lenny

Abraham's him Yeah Who made the last one Big Casp Did he do normal people He did Yeah Yeah he did

You're right He's wasting his talent I used to like him Now I think he's a fucking He's not even a dog He's lower than that Mm-hmm Ah no he's still good

Like But I'm not into this at all It's really shit So he watched He made a film Where two junkies Rob a Downey He's good in my books

You're right actually Yeah Forever Now that needs to happen Normal people How you doing Anbury You know what will really

Get you at See this lad hill Let's go and take his fucking bus money and be a bit of crack come on no I didn't

you just that was your yeah you talked that I'm gaslighting the entire audience yeah so we watched the first episode of conversations with friends you weren't really paying attention

I wasn't I was so I'll let you know what's going on there's two women Irish girl and New York girl yes and you think already like one's got

New York accent, your one's fucking no crack at all, just a depressed fucking, like a wet cat, like, fucking miserable. Just like a lump of cabbage on the floor. Yeah, and the other one is not a confidence, even though I shouldn't deserve it at all, like. Very

overly confident. She's really overly confident. And they're not, I don't think they're gay, but they're always lying on top of each other. They're always fall asleep on top of each other. So obviously, they're meant to be lesbians later on, which I found out they are lesbians. I googled it, like, I googled are they lesbians? Is it, no,

Is it a thing they were together straight away or is it? No, I don't like they're friends at the moment. Girls like, they sleep on each other a lot. They're very like intimate a lot. Yeah. They go to the bathroom a lot. Yeah. I won't be aware, but I've been going to a unisex toilet a lot recently.

Yeah. And you can hear like women going to the stall together and I'm next door and I can hear everything like. Jesus. So what do they be saying? Oh, just a lot of nonsense really like, nothing good. But I'll keep an eye out, you know. Yeah, yeah. I'll report back, all right?

Keep your ear to the ground. But anyway, like, they do, they shit in for each other. Yeah. Yeah. Because they have no decency. That's the thing. They're barely human. And I've said this.

And I'll say it again. They're nothing but dogs. So, yeah, and then like they do spoken word poetry. You were not a fan of this. No. And look, I'm sorry, but no. Nobody wants to hear your spoken word poetry. It's not good.

No, it's not. I've never seen spoken word poetry. That's in any way, not. best embarrassing that worse like violence inducing yes like oh we watch I can't say the name now we watch one spoken word act

I remember in like one year old houses I remember like it actually made me feel sick like I got like a weird like dizziness I'll say afterwards like yeah yeah why can't we say I'll tell you afterwards it's like a friend of a friend or friend it's not ringing oh wait yeah yeah yeah

no I remember I remember we watch like some really bad spoken word poetry but I've seen it in person as well even the stuff that isn't like bad per se I wouldn't want to be in the room with it yeah you know

it's just the kind of things like you don't know how to react it's like what is going on yeah you don't win the clap you don't have you laugh like I mean

I stand on stage be like knock knock uh feminism they didn't even do good stuff for the thing it's like they wrote you all feels like in the show

they're like okay well this will be the basic template and we'll fix up later on make a place holder to make it seem more like an actual

like a thing that'll be the real world an actual spoken word show and you forgot knock knock open the door who's there

just another whore with her legs open and her eyes wide shut you bend me over and call me a slut but

I won't take it in the butt no not anymore I am the whore at the door Aurora Alice who the fuck is Alice

yeah that would be something like you that's better than what they days. Yeah. Those two cunts,

all right? Thank you. Congratulations. To be honest, you've just outed me. I secretly I've always wanted

to be a spoken word artists. You show up in like dressed like the phantom of the opera. Friends, nobleman, lend me your ears.

I need to tell you about these fucking boo. Yeah. Fill in the blanks yourself. Yeah, okay. So they're so good a spoken word

poetry. Yeah. That a woman approached him, a very famous writer. Yes. She's like, you're the best spoken word artists I've seen, I've seen them all, okay? I've seen them all.

I saw when Shirley Temple was trying to make it as your spoken word broad. I'm laughing at all in this episode. I hope they don't mind my laugh. No, I think it's nice. Yeah, okay. So I don't laugh. I kind of move my mouth away from the mic when I laugh. Well, it kind of disgusts you when you laugh, so you're kind of like, you're sort of choking a little bit.

Because I hate him. It's like I'm admitting defeat that you're making me laugh. I don't want to do that. I want to be stone-faced to make you work for it. Earn your money. You're like Anne Robinson on the weakest link. So I was, so yeah, she advises him to her house. Right.

And at her house, we meet her trophy boyfriend. Yeah. A handsome actor. He looks like cheap Paul Mescoe. She looks like cheap Daisy Edgar Jones. Yeah, you're right. It just does feel like the exact same kind of shit. Now, Conversation with Friends is her first novel.

Right. So she's done three novels, I believe. Conversation with Friends. Normal people. And then some call, like, aren't we all beautiful or something like that? Oh, okay. I think they're all people in literary world,

all white people who feel sad. Very general, like, normal people, conversations with friends, inhaling oxygen, exhaling carbon dioxide. Like, you know, just shit titles for shit books. What happened to, like, cool titles, like, Icebreaker? Yeah. Or, you know.

boiling Coins. Fear and loathing in your asshole. Yeah. Russia with love. Like all that cool. Mind Cumpf, you know. Titles that really grab you by the bald.

You got something to say. Yeah, he's got, I need that right now. He's passionate. He's direct with his message. He knows about the big creatures in Antarctica. So, yeah. So then, like, we immediately get the sense that the New York girl and the literature.

the otter, the lady otter getting on very well. They're bumping tacos on the slide. They are, yeah. And the fucking downer, fucking cunt, Irish girl is hitting it off with the actor.

And then... The trophy husband, who also seems a little malaised and depressed and oh, what does it all mean? So the bit that may want to turn it off, all right, is he's like, oh, I'm doing a play.

He's doing some play. I think it's like one of those Tennessee William plays. What is it? now. What's the one the sims to the

parody of it? Come on, man, you know your Tennessee Williams? No, I don't.

He was a gay man. Exactly. Okay, right, yeah, yeah. You've answered your own question

there. I know plays featuring gay people produced by gay people or involving gay people. Yeah,

yeah. Or a straight play like the, like top gear the musical. That'd be great. That'd be awesome. Yeah,

you'll see their faces. Dude's rock. Tennessee Williams. A street car name Zyer, I think that's a Oh, right, okay. I think he's doing that one.

Stanley Kowalski. Yeah, you know. See, you do know it. Even stuff you don't know, you do know. You're great. I wish you could bring into a casino and then you start... I just start listing off movie trivia. Yeah.

And you lose thousands of quaint. You're like, oh, no, I'm ruined. Just named the entire cast of Pluto Nash. But, so she goes to play to see this guy before. she cries during the play because he's such a good actor disgusting no one's ever done that no one's ever cried that acting journal

play because it's all terrible yeah that's yeah theater has to be really fucking good for you to be like what the fuck am I doing here for me just take my you know put my phone out away like

exactly yeah it fucking I honestly think like it's a thing of the past we should get rid of it yes teeter spoken word If they're like, you can get rid of tea Orr and spoken word But you get rid of comedy as well It'd be like, I'm taking the hit

Perfect, yeah You're doing me a favour man This has been a nightmare I'm just, I'm on the train And I can't stop it And it's coming to a crash Yeah So then apparently they'll have sex visitor afterwards

A big fuck fest No no not That would be interesting Separately Oh I see Okay Wait so depressed Cunt goes off with

retard actor man and New York bitch fucks famous writer woman Yeah I think that's it Yeah But then I think The press cunt starts Fucking New York girl

So what's the moral And that Why you just live Willy nilly Yeah Yeah I'm gonna look at conversation With friends here

See what the crack is I think She got in trouble Sally Rooney Remember her whole Israel thing Oh what? Yeah

Oh yeah He's got your prick hard No No we're getting to the real conversations with friends you know Israel they were behind 9-11 oh god I'm sorry

do you want to tie me up yeah so I think her books they were going to translate them in the Hebrew and she was like I believe no I said what who's going to read it in the Hebrew the fuck what are you talking about waste of time I'm not a checkbook they should

translate it to Shibrew remember she Hulk She brew Luke So But then she was like She wanted to follow Remember the SDB

Let me look up I want to get the exact information here Because a lot of people Are just saying like Oh I hear she I hear she was burning A synagogue down

They're like making lots of lies About her Yeah But let me just see what the crack is here I'm going to find it one second Career Is a big section here That says

Yeah, yeah She's following the BDS movement BDS. Yeah, that's where he boycott Israel. Okay, what does it stand for? And you don't send your goods to Israel. Right, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's say we follow it,

we don't send their podcast to Israel. No, we don't. We try it. They won't, they're having none of it. You know how many Palestinians like kill, Detroit and Gellander, a good favor? Ironically, that's the one issue,

Israel and Palestine, or they're consolidated on, they agree. no bride and James here in the Gaza Strip Yeah so I think a lot of people try to banner then In America and shit like that Because they love Israel in America So we're like we're gonna stop selling her books and shit like that

Yeah Well it didn't really hurt her that much Like you know there's places There's companies in America That make you sign a thing That say you're not allowed go against Israel Really? If you tweet about Israel in negative sense You're fired

Yeah Wow Exactly Jesus But hey that's all fine it's good it's good

I like it we need stuff like that in this world we should make our guests sign that you cannot disparage Brian and James outside of these walls

so her last book then it came out in 2021 it's called beautiful people where are you okay and say hey anyone

you notice all the fucking oggoes out there and the freaks and the mongrel Let me read the synopsis here Go on The book tells the story of

Alice Kelleher An Irish novelist Kellarher's new lover Felix Brady Who works in a warehouse Aline Keller's friend Who's a magazine editor

And Leadon Who works for a refugee agency What the fuck as is Okay The novel is a love triangle So fucking again Everyone's fucking each other

They're neither Now they're banging refugees, is it? Jesus Christ. This woman has no shame at all, does she? The novel covers issues of romance, friendship, patriarchy, and social class.

Marie, would you like me to? Eat your pussy. Make her you come so good. Yeah, he's not like, yeah, is it okay? Is it my hurt to you? Bend over! Do not fucking look me in my eye, you dog.

You pee. I'll fucking make you I don't know I don't know It's lame You sure it's not a Patreon episode Hey What are you watch

You can take it all from it I don't care Some you'll have argued that No one got mad when Robin Williams Did it Anyway It's a clear Commentary on late stage capitalism

Oh I'm sure it is That's what the New York Times said Wow I don't know All those refugees fucking are Yeah it seems to be a very weird angle It's like oh yeah I'm gonna tackle You know fucking

Amnesty International Crisis Well yeah again man It's like people in the literary I like how it was like literary writer Literary agent And then warehouse worker And refugee man There's always some commoner

She's always like Wow how great am I For hanging out with you and treating you as equal. God, I'm good. I bet the warehouse workers like, do, I like Brexit. Where's the immigrants?

My uncle John says the bad that they eat funny food and they're too loud. Yeah, and it's a bit where he watches football and he's like, I don't like foreigners and she's like, that's what they're all like

all football fans. They are based, you know? Yeah. So should we end up, that's all Sally Rooney there Yeah I think we're giving

her the old Siskel and Eber two thumbs down I think two thumbs down Yeah I want she doesn't do She's kind of like West Anderson

No she's not bad No no West Anderson much better Just saying like It's like the same shit Every time Yeah And people like that

But I'd like to see a change Yeah But at least with Wes Anderson You're right It is the same thing Over and over But at least it's still It's entertaining

For the most part In its own quirky way It has become a bit to sort of a parody of itself almost, but there's some even some of his later work like Grand Budapest Hotel was fucking great. Yeah, you know?

His early stuff, man, Rushmore is with my all-time greatest favorite films. I fucking love Royal Tennebombs, Darjeeling Limit. Man, he's great. I like Life Aquatic. I love Life Aquatic. Okay, I said it first. And it's, mine's bigger. So, fuck you.

No, but I'm a big Wes Anderson fan, but it's kind of it doesn't it wouldn't be cool if he just did like some kind of like it's kind of even getting on my nerves the kind of very like i haven't seen the french dispatch i tried to watch it and it was like a really sweet cake yeah it was a bit too much for me he's made feel a bit sick yeah i don't know it's it has it's starting to annoy me a little bit what would you like to see him do wouldn't be cool if he did like some kind of like uh like jason state a movie yeah yeah the conta came in from the cold and he's like some spy

He's got a kill three Pakistani guys For no reason What would be good Like yeah Yeah just like go completely Like he did wait If West Anderson went full guy richie That would be a mate

Like full lockstock like That would be great Rise of the Foot Soldier Oh yeah Yeah we're gonna talk with that next Are we? If he did a Rise of the Footstoy You know it's like five

Rise of Foot Soldier movies These are five Yeah So I think there's Rise of Foot Soldier one And then two then three, then rise the foot soldier the Pat Tate story

then rise the foot soldier Marbella and then Rise of the Foot Soldier Origins featuring Vinnie Jones Have you watched every single one? No, I have not, I'm sorry Oh, you fucking belly If I cared about the fans, I would I will, I promise

I won't ever watch the first one as well The first one is fun though It's legitimately It's entertaining There's a little bit of a self-awareness Where there's like, it's silly It's over the top It's very over the top

That's what I mean but it's like, I wouldn't call it like a particularly good film. Oh, no, definitely not. Or like high art, but it is very entertaining. Even like films in the same ill could the football factory is much better made way more fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's Green Streets is betterly made, let's say, but shitter. Yeah, because it's more Hollywood, it's just shitter. There's some, like, there's a lot of very funny moments in Rise of the Fuck Soldier, you know. Remember the bit where he's like, stay still, stay still, stay still.

Yeah, yeah. Let's do a little bit quick summary. of rise of foot soldier. Okay. So I'll let you take the start of this. Oh, okay. So... You take the lead in this dance. It follows the story of Carlton Leach. Exactly. Who is, uh, basically he got

his start kind of as a football hooligan. For West Ham, the inner city firm. Yeah, the IFC. And like, so that, it all kind of starts all very same to like football factory. It's kind of like, all right, we've seen these kind of films before. You know, those big meetups and hooligans and fights and blah, blah, blah.

But then it's sort of like, the crack down on the football hooliganism. So he kind of gives that up and it becomes a bouncer for like a nightclub. It comes a bouncer, the guy likes him, he's like, I trust you more than the other guys I have. He was like, hey, you can bring in your own guys. Yeah. Bring your own guys

does well, he starts the little door for him. Yeah, and the reason he brought Carton Leach in because the place was very rough. It's like, I need you and your lot to come in, clean out, kick out the scum and bring in the birds with the big juicy melons. Yeah, and he doesn't more to kick him out. Like, he's proper, like he stabs

stump the arse and shit like that. Yeah, it's very, it's a very violent film. It's very gratuitous and over the top. And it is based on true events. Yes, so Carton Leach is a real guy. Yeah. So then he starts doing other nightclubs. Yeah. He's really killing it like. He's actually, he's banging chicks. Let's not forget that, okay? Oh, left, right and center of my man. That first one's really hot. Like, he bangs lots of chicks, but remember the first one that she's like, how about I, like a lesbian? Yeah. How about I suck your cock? Yeah, he's like, Give us a drink now, love. I say, I'll have a bit right there.

That's about a jab in your mouth and suck your big cock in stead. Yeah. What can I do, lads? She put it on me. Do you know what I mean? Uh, uh, uh, uh, you fucking,

slag. You look like me mom. You fucking guts. That was in the director's cut. I imagine. Uh, but yeah, so he's, he's banging. He's banging chicks.

He's banging his loving life. Yeah. And he has to get more and more guys at the game. Now, it kind of, because it is based on true story, and I think Carlton Leach, the real guy was involved. He was involved in it, yes. So it's very, you know, it doesn't really do or say anything that kind of implicates him. So he's kind of around a lot of elements like drug dealing and, you know, racketeering or all this shit.

But he never really says, I did this. Much like Henry Hill never killed anyone. Exactly. In Goodfell. Yeah, he's kind of that where he is kind of conduit who's experiencing all this and getting mixed up on this. And yes, he is involved in it. Yeah. But he's not doing the really bad shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he has to hire more guys and one of the guys he hires is Pat Tate. Yeah, so there's Pat Tate and then who is the guy with the... The weird blondie hair. Yeah, the blonde, he had like blonde hair and fake tan. Look like he's an oasis, like a real fat member of Oasis. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's like the younger guy, yeah.

Yeah, so it's funny because those three guys, you know, are real life. people. Yeah. And then, you know, we found it's the three guys, Pat Tate, oh, fucking forgetting the guy names. You don't have to remember the names. But see, the Essex murders, you know, we'll get to that, but they are, those three guys who are friends of Carlton Leach are the

guys who were murdered in the Essex murders, or the Range Rover murders, as they were called. But I guess we'll get to that. Now, I know very little about that. Yeah, you can film me in a little bit. Again, like, I literally just know that from that movie. There's a couple other movies kind of based on it. There's one called Essex Boys,

with Sean Bean. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not very good, to be honest. But, um... A little cinematic universe here, and you check out of it. See, the Essex murders were a very big deal.

It happened in 1995. Basically, there was a land rover or range rover just parked in a quiet laneway on a farm in Essex and those three guys, Pat Tate and the other two

were found shot to death. And I mean shot to like splattered like brains everywhere. Cheese, man. It was like, br-br- Now, can I ask? That's not heartless. But why does multiple murders every year in the UK?

Yeah. Why did this one become a big deal? Because it became a pretty big deal. It did. I don't know. I guess it's because, well, one, yeah. The violence of it. It was so extremely violent.

These are kind of three sort of well, semi-well-known people in the criminal underworld. Kind of like how we have the cannons over here. So it would be like if, let's say, in Carlow, a nice little farm they found a truck full of like, two kinnahins yeah two or three and like their like their heads are literally missing yeah so these three like criminal figures who were completely shot the fuck like shotgun blasts they were in bits close range but then also we never know they never found out who did it so there's that

mystery and then all these rumors started going it was other drug dealers it might have been cops like all these rumors started swirling that a minute but so he's doing the door and he's working his door firm and then ecstasy it's the 90s oh that's a very funny scene it's a really funny scene yeah

when he starts to be excees like he's in the club and he sees this lad dealing pills like oh what fuck you're doing in what club it's like here mate take one

he's on the house he was like alright you can't go on you give shit yeah yeah go on fuck off and so he talks a pill

he takes a pill and he's standing there is like you feel anything yet Carlton nah don't feel nothing mate must be the dad

that's been your dad mate and then the music's playing he's starting to sweat a little bit and his jaw's chewing and just like bumping his head he's like who's his head

he's like I do something Paul I fucking love you mate aren't me oh fucking buzzing off me nutty I gotta go dance and just starts dancing he kisses him on the head

he kisses Paul in the head like your fucking brother of me mate and he goes around jumping around and then he just starts going out dancing and sweating

so he just took his first joke and then it's all like it was your love it was your love in the air it was beautiful that's what Maggie Tatch and everyone

understood. Yeah, yeah. It's weird. This is this little rant about how ecstasy was the gateway to breaking down all the barriers in society. A lot of people genuinely believed that back then. There was less cynicism back then. People actually thought, oh, we've cracked the problem here. Remember, Uganda, fixed.

Now, in fairness, you can't understand that when you are on yokes. That does make a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But then if you do it like three times a week for a few years, you end up a schizo and depressed chronically depressed

because your serotonin is like an Ethiopian well dry as few but your bilteous Burgess Meredith never disappears they'll never take that for me Brian as well they can give me as much

pills and electroshock therapy as they want I'll always see Burgess Meridus so he starts selling drugs then gets involved in the big guys then more than just ecstasy yeah heroin

stuff white and then they kind of so they're doing to deal with who are they Ukrainians or Serbians or something probably Ukrainians yeah yeah yeah evil Ukrainians yeah Putin was like this is for Pat Tate

but some gear goes missing so then these like Russian or whatever gangsters like find his crew and torture them and it gets very violent and then he gets involved in torture business as well, like the kind of intimidation

and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you see some cock. You do? Yeah. And then Pat Take goes to remember when Pat Take goes to hospital? That woman has massive tits. Yeah, and they're all just doing coke in the hospital. Yeah. It's like, what the heck? Yeah. It's what? It's on the NHS, is it? In the National Express. And then, like, we get to the murders now.

Yes. So, what do, a thing that I kind of like, where they show multiple versions of the murders of different ideas. So the cops. Or like, you know, gang, rival gangsters or then gangsters they themselves are doing business with. Yeah. There's a lot

of possibilities. So yeah. But, you know, it's a thing. It's very open-ended. I think they do kind of know. I think people did eventually get arrested and due time for it. In the film, at the end of the film, they say two people got arrested. Yeah. But they always denied it. And many people in the scene

say it wasn't them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. they were just patsies. Yeah, exactly. A couple of Lee Harvey Oswald. Exactly. Yeah. You know, yeah, you know. So, I want to do more research into it.

But the thing is a bit weird is... That's what your life needs. More Essex murders research. More Patate in my life. I have irrefutable evidence that this is linked to not only the Kennedy assassination, but the Zionists in Israel. If you'll allow me, you're just the Carlo County Council. Like, this is just about paving the new roads, Brian.

oh don't worry it's connected to that too Sally Rudy was right and Burgess Meredith let us not forget But sorry you were going to do more research No I want to but it's so weird This is a real thing of real people Yeah and like there's also like the Pat Tate story

Yeah so what's the story of the sequels Because sequel is Are they like prequels So I don't know too much The sequel is Carlton Leach Yeah on another adventure And then that guy isn't appearing at you

film. So the next one then is unrelated. Okay. Then the next one then is the Pat Tate one. And then Origins is Vinnie Jones. I don't know what the fuck. And then Marabella's in there as well. They go off to Marabella. It's in Spain. Awesome. Yeah. So I'm not sure how they're connected. Probably in some weird way. I'm personally

ashamed of myself that I haven't watched every single one. You should have. I should be. I'm like that's what I need to. But I've watched Essex, boys. Did you? No, I didn't. You didn't think so pal. It's like a top trumps, isn't Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. you brought a knife to a gun fight

I did like the movie there's something about the British movies that are made back then you know like the football faction that were they were very British but they had a style to it there were guys that were trying they had a bit of money

yeah they were trying and it's fun it's definitely it's very like it's well made in that it's technically competent it's entertaining it's fast paced there's a lot of violent moments

a lot of funny moments like that's not a boring film by any stretch of the imagination oh definitely not no yeah there most bits and pieces where it got a little bit repetitive I thought where I was a bit like

come on let's get to the murders come on well he's being impatient yes I was like when we get into the that's just you and your alpha generation

bullshit I know yeah don't have the patience to sit and really ruminate on the beautiful texture the tapestry that is

rise of the fox like when I first watch Citizen Kane I was like what is this shit it's black and white and it's boring I don't like this

now I watch and I love it Really? Yeah, I love it. I get really into it. I've never watched it. You should, man. Yeah, I'll watch Rise the Foot Soldier Part 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, and you watch Citizen Kane.

We'll see who turns out better. Yeah. Yeah, we've hit an hour there, so. Perfect. So, that's my homework for next week. You're going off, so hopefully you'll get one more session in. I think we should do, yeah. Yeah, get one more session in.

Maybe this day next week. Yeah, perfect, okay. And it will all be, it'll be a Rise of the Foot Soldier special. Nice. Two parts special, all about the series and about Pat Tate. We promise to have the names of the real murderers. We're all, Brian and James are on the case.