Brian and James Fuck Each Other - Episode 34 : JOKER REVIEW

Episode Date: October 9, 2019

Two mentally ill people review a film about a normal guy.

And we're back. Hey, hey, here we are. We're back in my house now. Back in your house, yeah. We'll like to change it up so the authorities can't pin us down. Yeah, we're always moving. Yeah, we're like Gaddafi in the later years, you know. You'll never find us.

Yeah, well, they did find it. I know, eventually. Spirited Earth. It didn't turn. He was a bad man. He was a bad man. Just like the Joker. Oh, what a wonderful segue.

I want to jump into this. That's amazing. Well, done. He was also a dictator. Well, you'll make all the moral panic about this film. Yeah, so everybody's freaking out about it. Everyone thinks, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if someone to link Gaddafi to the film, like, because they're linking

they're linking everything. So, what is for anybody that doesn't know, we're talking about the Joker has just come out, biggest movie, everyone's going mad about it, but what's all this controversy, Brian? Lay it down, man. Controversy, it's much like when they blamed rap music for gang violence or video games for, like, gay sex, or whatever. I don't know what was video games, it was violence.

Columbine, I think. Yeah, and Marilyn Manson for, like, sucking your own dick. Like, things like that, like, like, being bad influences. So, like, long before the film even came out, it's this huge hullabaloo, that's only grown and grown about how, like, if you watch this film, you're going to be, it's going to incite violence, and you're going to go crazy.

Yeah. And you're going to start shooting up cinema, stuff like that. Okay. Much like James Holmes. Yes, the Aurora shooting guy. Yeah, which, by the way, was not inspired by the Joker. Yeah, that's like a miss, uh, like that's misinformation he never claimed to be the joker or anything like that he had orange

hair yeah and the joker has green hair it's more like Ronald McDonald's to be closer like to it like he went he came in James Holmes if you don't know like he went into the dark night rises a screening of darkenit rises in 2012 yeah and shot up the cinema he was wearing tactical here it's a harsh critique of the film well yeah well almost as bad as the New Yorker but anyway go out two thumbs down but I don't actually would love to know what part of the film he decided this is enough you have suffering ends now I've always wondered like

whenever I watch that film now it's just like dude is that information online I wonder at what point in the film yeah yeah I haven't be able to find it why have you been looking not really not like fully deep down like the best part of that film is the start really yeah I only say it once

it I don't know remember that bit where the plane flips over oh yeah yeah Eden Gillett? Yeah, that was a cool bit. So if I saw that, I'd be like, well, that was cool. Was he, like, planning on doing the shooting? But then he goes in, he gets into the movie. It's like, no way, Catwoman, awesome.

No, if he's going to shoot, he's like, Aidan Gillen's in this. I love that guy. Little finger, yes, I am sold. And then afterwards, because he found out, Aidan Gillen, Spoiler, dies. And the start of a film, he's like, well, if Aidan's dead,

they might as well there's no reason to continue so because of that people like I don't know why you think this film of all the other films

that have been released that are also kind of like about crazy guys why this time well I think this one first of all it's very well made film and the acting the performance is fantastic

and Wacking Phoenix is fairly likable so I guess there is there like a chance that people could be sympathetic towards this character who at the end of the day is a mentally ill man who decides to become a violent criminal and from that he finds catharsis basically yeah i mean that's a real that's a narrative that's been attached to most like school shooters and stuff the crazy guy goes in with

an ar-15 and you know what i mean blah blah blah exactly yeah it's such an insult to jarred lettle think about it because like the other way the parents of the victims came out and they're like you know they should be careful to release this movie it shouldn't be released you know it's going to attract more violence because of his performance of Joker and then they're like what would jarred out and they're like who

and they're like suicide squad like he's probably going to go out and commit one himself just to like try get some bows going to get a little bit of attention which you remember like for suicide squad before that got released he was like doing like weird shit yeah he send like dead rats

in the post to his co-stars And condoms and stuff like that. Filled condoms. Yeah. Happy juice. I don't know if it was happy juice. Jared juice. He's probably just a bit of milk or something like that.

But like that's not the Joker. No. That's more what? You remember like the Adam West? And TV show like the Joker wasn't like throwing juice Johnny's at Robin's face. Take that you slag. Ooh. Yeah.

But like, so it became this big hullab blue. now that we've seen the film not in life you didn't watch it and then immediately come out right no I didn't hello I'll tell you

the people sitting next to me the whole way through were kind of as the film went on getting noticeably more nervous just looking at me he's like oh god what's he gonna do

I had a backpack as well which didn't put anyone at ease oh god what's in his backpack yeah every time I reach for something they just sort of tensed up you wouldn't be allowed in some cinemas in America

like me specifically yeah if you did got you on a list I'm on all the lists baby they have proper like security guards stuff like that

they're like undercover cops the military and FBI have there's been like correspondence back and forth like you know

warning about the rising in cell violence and shit but like the media is just perpetuating it like I mean if somebody didn't get

the idea from watching the movie all these articles that say somebody's definitely going to go on a mass shooting and will it be you go on

what are you a pussy or something do it is what this film is saying yeah yeah no like i think if it does happen it's more so their fault than the movie's fault but like even if the film was literally like the joker um you know he's pushed too far and he's like okay i'm gonna do it yeah i'm gonna shoot up dark night rises even if it was like that would be very metal like that on the nose yeah like you know like he's walking and you see james homes like i'll take from here like if it was like that I still think, like, if someone watches that and then does it, that's their fault. It's not the movie. Yeah, of course.

I mean, this is, like, absurd that in this day and age, we're still having these kind of debates. Movie violence causes real-life violence. If you watch the film, all this is going to do is, like, it's going to encourage you to, like, shoot some rich people and train. Yeah, no problem there. And then shoot a talk to host. Yeah. Which is that, which, you know. Which one would you like to see go?

Oh, my God, all of them. All of them, I think, yeah. James Gordon would be good. Yeah, Gordon would be a good. If Gamecourtin gets assassinated because of this film, I think they will all be worth it. He definitely is going to get an Oscar. Like, Todd Phillips deserves the Oscar if that happens.

Yeah, just an honorary Oscar for best assassinations. So we'll talk about the film then. What did you think of the film? Okay, well, yeah, spoilers ahead, I guess. No, we're going to do a little, uh... No? We're going to do our opinions to start without spoilers. Then we'll just go straight to plot like.

All right, okay, so what I thought about the movie, well, first of all, the fucking performance. is phenomenal like it's amazing it's Wacking Phoenix but he's kind of great and everything personally though

you know when the initial buzz came out about the movie it sort of got like its standing ovation at like some very prestigious it was like one of those golden duck yeah pretty much yeah

so when I heard that I thought oh this is going to be very interesting it's going to be like no sort of comic book vibes whatsoever a pure dark psychological character study like taxi driver or king of comedy, two movies that have

influenced it bigly, like a hugely but then I kind of found at times it was a little bit kind of cartoonish and a bit sort of and I had to kind of every swath and find myself going all right it's a movie about a comic book villain so maybe just give it you know

it's a little bit silly at times but overall I really enjoyed it don't get me wrong I loved it and I 'd love to see it again but yeah it just wasn't quite as you know hard hitting real-life dramas I was expecting just from that initial buzz

but again still very good but kind of silly at times a bit cartoonish and over the top. It is a little bit silly yeah and it's still kind of like it's so like I use dark quotation marks they're aiming to be like real realistic and green yeah it's kind of like almost like teenage angsty

kind of gritty you know what I mean? It has a feel of like if you watch a music video from like the 90s yeah that kind of idea of like you know this is real great you know this is darkness look at that it's a drain pipe and there's a rat yeah yeah that represents congress but like i actually looked up the guy who wrote this so it's like todd phillips yes and he did the hangover too he did all the hangovers he did all the hangovers he did

he went to hangover too because that had like uh remember lady boys that he got raped by lady boy yeah there's a knee slaper wasn't it yeah and then mike thysons was like whoa this is a really crazy man yeah what did you say mike then of your goddamn business so he did Todd Phillips co-wrote it with Scott Silvers who rolled 8 Mile

Is that right Yeah Wow wow okay So you can see a kind of connection That's true There is a gritty That sort of gritty drama Yeah yeah

And you see like How you know Two roads diverging yellow wood Yes And one went rapping And one like Kill some rich guys In a train

Yeah So like there is a kind of like Over the start Just kind of like Simplistic kind of cheesy a little bit Yeah, it's real style over substance Yes, yeah

There's a lot of stuff in it That I had problems with it and I was watching Yeah, I felt that way too And a lot of just real nagging things Where it was like, that's a weird kind of story choice Yeah, definitely could have The choices they made did kind of take me out of it at times And as I said, I just had to keep kind of telling myself

Okay, it's a comic book movie, maybe give it a bit of You know, go easy on it or whatever What they needed was someone to go over someone who wasn't like a spastic to go over like you know what I mean you like someone to go over and like redo the script because it's like Todd knows

how to film things yeah he's very good and he's a little he really loves his slow motion shots of walking or like close-ups of his face yeah way too much of that in it where you gotta cut some of that out and then put in like more plot

okay or putting anything like um because you said he want to see it again yeah and I've been I'm going with some friends later on the week. I might not even go into cinema. What do you mean? I might just bring him there and then like

pretend to go out somewhere and just smoke in the car or something like that. Yeah. You wouldn't want to watch it again? Did you really dislike it that much? I might just go out and get my tactical here. Just you looking in the rearview mirror just fucking do it. What's the wrong? What's wrong with you? You're fucking

stop being a pussy. You dork. I'll be like, you know, if I do this, I'll help so many journalists jobs. The Dundalk Democrat Brad will, uh, here, there's been a terrible shooting in the omniplex. Brian O'Poole has went in with an air 15. Oh, no. That's verbatim. Sorry, go on. Like, so you don't want to see it again, now? I'll see it again. I'll see certain scenes. And there are some scenes I liked, and talking

to, like, normal people about it, I like those scenes even more now. Because it's fun to talk to, like, I say normal people, like, people in my class. People are happy. and well adjusted they haven't seen the king of comedy they haven't seen taxi drivers so this is like the first time even like the concept of like uh like a dark character study even the idea the concept of darkness is new to them like the whole idea of like what you mean people repressed and some people like live in bad apartments this is crazy only in crazy hollywood land could such a life be conceived like the gotham they show in it

is straight up like new york in the 80s yeah very gritty dirty, a lot of unhappy people. And they probably think that must be like some kind of fake. It's like, there's like, there's no way. There's like, there's no way that's actually real, is it? That's insane. Who are these people you go to college

with? They sound like simpletons. No offense. They are. But like... Do they listen to this podcast? No, no, no, no. Of course not. They're happy. They watch a lot of like contour videos and stuff. Oh, that's like with makeup, isn't it? Which I was thinking there just to get off topic for a second

the concept of makeup is kind of funny because you know women back in the early 18th century they wouldn't really have any need from makeup okay because they lived in farm and stuff like that but then the city started coming up

and then women had to like work in the city and then like because there's such a male dominated industry they have to look good because otherwise like they get beaten with a shovel so like sorry I laugh so That's like, yeah, that was not to show Mad Men was like.

Where is she? Oh, no, he's got the shovel again. It was like, Don Draper was like, maybe we shouldn't beat them with shovelists. And they're like, Don, you mad man. So that's like, it's like ingrained into like women's biology. It's like not good or else to get the shovel. Anyway, so like, yeah, I'd really like to know your sources on this information. But anyway.

So that's why it's that thing like, they're just watch contour videos. So this is the first time you've seen like a dark kind of Like a psychological study at all And that made him think Okay And I think that's actually kind of good It's like, I'll tell you what It's like DC have snuck in

A really cool film That would in no way ever get released Mainstream like this If it wasn't The Joker That's true actually Yeah, that's a very good point Like it's an incredible marketing tactic I mean it's breaking box office records right now

Like And all this controversy surrounds That I think only fuels the fire everybody wants to see it this film is breaking box office records where like if it was released as Arthur Fleck and they just changed the name of Thomas Wayne and Gotham and

it's called like Arthur Fleck no one will care it would be like the kind of film where people like you see walking this really cool film like yeah yeah yeah is in cinema? Of course not you have to watch it illegally like you have to watch it in the back of a bus

yeah you were like you were in void back I don't know what kind of weird segregation thing well what are you watching back of the bus ma'am you know the rules i just don't watch choker please but it'd be like if they released like a captain america film yeah and it was just this really cool like two-hour study about PTSD yeah and like war and like there was no superer elements at all

and like he's about an old man and like you know his wife's like you left the war but the war never left you and he's like ah it's true don't make me get the shovel but like yeah it's like this thing that like no one would care about was for a Joker yeah that's true and yeah

it's just but I think that was he said that that was his intention we're going to try and sneak in a real movie under the guise of this sort of superhero pretense

and I say a fair play to them man I say despite my problems I say a very interesting experiment I hope to go forward and make more weird films like this you know yeah yeah so I mean what

specifically do you think annoyed you and what were the redeeming qualities, if any, do you think? You know, I was going to go through the plot, but the plot, there isn't really that much. There's not much that, no. If me describe the plot would be a lot of this and then he dances for two minutes

and then he looks sad. There is a lot of dancing and looking sad. And then he crawls into a fridge, which was like one of the best scenes in it. Yeah, that was great. When he crawled to a fridge, I thought that was great because that show's actual like someone who's actually mentally ill would just do something like

that and you know there's no like explaining or anything no there was no like there was no like like oh the fridge represents his mother's womb or something like that like it's like he crawls to a fridge because yes we've all done it okay of course yeah it's nice and cold in there we've all killed their mothers

and we've all so like one of the big things I thought was weird was so another thing like they keep in description of this to say he's a failed stand-up comic yeah he does one gig he does one gig well the only one gig that we see who knows how many you did you know before that maybe they don't really go too much into that either yeah but yeah he does

one gig yeah he's more of a rent-a-clown yeah yeah one gig and also i loved his notebook as well it's just like a picture of like he remember his notebook yeah yeah it was like a picture of a naked baby or something isn't there oh oh i don't remember that part oh well a bit of a roarsack test there brian wasn't it well it was a naked woman i just there you go again projecting but like so he does one gig yeah and it's not exactly like so he laughs because of his condition

he has a condition where he laughs uncontrollably at times where he feels stress or unhappiness yeah yeah and he kind of like ruins his set yeah that's it okay and for some reason Robert Nero sees that's like well I need to show people this and make fun of him yeah there in the 80s with a video camera which back in the 80s

it must have been the fucking size of a television television yeah you know you never see that in the thing and then it just shows up on this like late night chat show you ever see pictures like the first computer the colossus where it's like the size of a building i imagine that is it and it's given it's shooting out radiation everywhere like but like so yeah he decides to show this on his yeah that felt very contrived to me to be honest yeah and he's like i i want to be a comedian and then he was like no you're not remember that's life which I liked how

the Nero show was so shit Yeah, it's very like cheesy and like Yeah he was not a good talk to host And that was the good part like So yeah but so like then they show a clip And for some reason that clip of some random Comedian bombing Yeah, it's so popular that they decide to bring

the guy on Yeah and even though he's dressed the clown And there's such links to violence already in city You know like by this stage like someone's been killed and two detectives have been beaten, like, half the death. Yeah, because there's this real revolution going on where people are, like, kill the rich,

and this symbol of a clown has been held up kind of like in a Guy Fawkes, Mask, Viva Fendetta type thing, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, fuck it, let's bring him on. Let's bring him on the show for the crack. This is the 80s, man, no, like, health and safety back then. Well, it would have been so much better if...

The way I would have done it, there's two ways to have done it. One, the other scene where he's dancing with the kids, and he drops the gun. Yeah, that was hilarious. Yeah, yeah. I would have had someone filming that, and that's the scene,

the show on the talk show. Yeah, that would make more sense, I think. And maybe to do it even, even, like, even better, like he drops the gun and he shoots himself in the ass, something like that. Like, he grazes it or something like that. Yeah, yeah.

And then it becomes a new story, and he's like, you hear about this guy? And like, let's bring him out. That would have made more sense. Oh, yeah, that's true. Or what would be even better is, that was all hallucination. So when he's in the hospital and sees a clip,

that was another hallucination. Yeah. And then he shows up the show. And he's like, I'm ready for my time in the show. And they're like, who the fuck are you? And then he's like, I'm going to kill Mark Maron if you don't let me on. Which I've said that before. When you showed up at RT's shit, he was not going to get in the late, late show.

Oh, kill Maron. Who? I have Mark Barron right there. Come on. You do the podcast for Obama and Glenn Wool. Let me on. Which actually, do you see, they're actively looking. for replacements to Ray Darcy right now oh is that right yeah they've done

five test pilots with five women yeah five women presenters and one was gonna take over Darcy who's gonna go for a little walk in the woods I never go back and he's gonna walk in woods and trip with someone slashes wrists as if he just like exposed the war on terror it's gonna be Jennifer Zanparelli Jennifer Zanparelle yeah she's probably in top running probably yeah just no whole like household name something Bernad O'Shea's getting the boot as well no room for burner he's going to go for her little walking woods. He's going to find Ray's body,

try and tell everyone, and then he'll end up committing suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head three times. So she's like the most, the biggest contender so far. Probably, yeah. There's a few other ones,

but like people don't really know them. They're probably more, they're better than Jennifer probably. Like one of them is, do you ever hear her name's like Dorian or something like that? She does impressions and RT player. Oh, no, not familiar.

Exactly. That's what I mean. She might be talented, but who the fuck cares? get out so anyway back to the Joker yeah yeah

let's just do a quick little plot thing I'm just trying to like okay go on go on through it real quick so we start off I like to start a bit because it's news footage of Gotham

yeah and this is what Gotham should look like it's filthy gritty yeah there's a problem where like there's a garbage man strike so the trash

is piling up on the streets there's trash everywhere there's like rats super rats yeah you can smell urine. That would be cool like, you know the way that's like

4XD, 4G? Yeah, it's like smell the urine. Somebody just lashes a cup of piss in your face. It's so real. Just the design of it is so good. Even the fact of like there's this one little train going in and it felt like so like

claustrophobic and shit and like the all the big steps leading up to it. Yeah, yeah. That's how Gotham should look because sometimes they try and do all like gothic Tim Burton ruined Gotham. True. where it's like it's supposed to be like the gargiles

everywhere and like yeah it's like ridiculous whereas this felt a lot real it just felt like

a run down the city basically yeah should just be shit yeah just absolutely shit where you're like

why is Bannon even butter why is he even stopping that rape just let oh Jesus Christ so like

we start off with that and then we cut to Joker Arthur Fleck Arthur Fleck Arthur Fleck, which that must be

a Fleck, like an Affleck kind of joke. Do you think? No, I think that's just his name, the character's name. See, there is source material. Is there? Yeah, like the killing joke. He wasn't Arthur Fleck in that. Was he not? No, he was some other name. It was Jack Napier or something. Oh, okay. Or Kirk Douglas or something like, something like I don't know I said that.

But it wasn't Arthur Fleck, that's a whole new name. Okay, is it? Yeah. This is not based on anything. Okay. this is all new which I kind of liked for a comic book fan like myself there was no

like he falls in a vat of acid and then he goes crazy shoots Thomas Wayne yeah yeah yeah there was none of that it was all new which I like so even the whole

laughing condition thing that was new they did that well that's pretty good so he's that he's at his therapist things aren't going well he

he's got a job as a clown he's got a job as a sign like he holds a sign dress as a client advertising something these kids steal the sign away from him kick the shit out of them why would they do that because they're no good punk kids you're right that's the correct answer run down city correct answer the crime yeah yeah another reason why this your cut benefits so like he does that

and things are going bad and things are going bad for like his mother's sick and his mother thinks that she um used to date thomas wayne yeah but she just worked as a like cleaner which that guy Thomas Wayne that's meant to be Alec Baldwin oh really which you can see that why did he drop out or he said it was a bit too similar to things he's done before like the Trump impressions of things he said he was getting

a little bored of okay yeah I could see that well he probably regrets it now I would say I think he's doing alright like who Alec he's just one step away from being Daniel Baldwin you know what I mean any or Billy Baldwin or Stephen Baldwin Baldwin or Jamie Baldwin

Nigel Baldwin Michael Cornelius Baldwin Vikram Baldwin Don't talk about him Muhammad Atta Baldwin There's a whole old Baldwin clan Half a really legitimate

It's just a real multicultural clan So Yeah the Thomas Wayne He's kind of actually portrayed as a bit of a bad guy I like that he was a dick in it Yeah Like a rich asshole What I didn't like though

Is skipping head bit. So Arthur finds out that he might be Thomas Wayne's son. Yes. So he immediately goes to Wayne Manor and just immediately sees little Bruce Wayne. Yeah. Doesn't that seem like it's very easy

see a millionaire's child? Like there was all, it could have so easy to kidnap him. Yeah, that's true, yeah. I suppose, yeah, he was just sort of right there at the gate. Like, the gate was there. He could have hopped over the wall and just grabbed him. And Wayne was such a little, like, I think he was asking for it. Like, he was this like,

even he was putting his fingers his mouth and Wayne was just like Bruce was like not Oh yeah that was a really weird Yeah he was just not responding at all It's like he was sedated Which would have been Probably was

Would it be a funny like Little behind the scenes thing Or like say that kid was really overactive So they just So they just shot him up Some like fentany Yeah something like that Yeah something good shit

Like even at the end When his parents get shot He just stands there There's not even like a scene going like Oh or anything He's like Hey come on now.

Maybe it was just more like, say, sarah, sarah, sarah, whatever it will be. Like, he's just not affected them at all. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I guess they just didn't want to have too much focus on the Bruce Wayne Batman. I suppose, I wish he's taking it out. Yeah, it didn't really add anything, to be honest. Even that storyline, I mean, I suppose it does serve the purpose of showing that the mother's

a bit mental, but yeah, I kind of went, that sort of cropped up. Again, there was another thing that sort of just feels. really forced or something doesn't it yeah they killed his mother yeah that was kind of like you know I liked about that is he just killed her there wasn't like any like yeah he gave a little speech beforehand

well did he yes what was it about basically the from what I remember she had his nickname oh happy happy and he says I haven't been happy a day in my life and then smothers the bitch and then he gives her the old pillow yeah and did you get up and cheer I got hard I just got hard I just got hard

him ran around the cinema. Oh, look at it. Do itchette. Look at that. Mommy's little boys. It's mommy's little boys. It ran out and he came back dressed

to my mother. Brian, why are you watching this film? It's very bad for you. Get away from me, mom. I'm a man now. I'm Arthur Fleck. I've seen what I have to do.

I've seen the light. So he kills his mother. We're going to jumping around here. Yeah, we are. I, you know, we probably should say if you haven't seen the movie, don't listen to this yet. Oh, I assume we gave a spoiler warning.

If not, well... Well, put it up when we post it, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We definitely need to give a spoiler warning. Yeah, because, like... But who's not going to see the movie? Do you know what I mean? It's the biggest film ever.

Yeah. It's, it's, the Nero's biggest film so far in his career. Yes, yeah, he hasn't done anything. He was really struggling. This is round two. For the Nero, like, all this has all been,

all the whole, like, his whole career's been practiced leading up the Joker. Which, um, the sad thing is so De Niro was really good in this Yeah

And it's fun to see him Like doing a little small role Where like Where he can just sort of have fun And he does not be really intense or anything Yeah yeah I think like cause he's not starring it It kind of takes the pressure off

And he's like Yeah And you think like Okay he's doing this in the Irish man Maybe this is Deerro like I think yeah He's gonna give us like some really good work Before oh no

No No I looked up his IMDB Because like maybe he's gonna do Those are good films now And next film coming out After the Irishman Is the Warwick Grandpa and it's about

the Nero moves in I can imagine a trailer right away I think the Nero loses jobs he has to move in with his grandkid that's share a room

together and who's his grand kid oh some kid Nickelodeon kid you'd never heard of some kid what's named the Nickelodeon guy

who would train him break him in like Dan Schneider yeah some kid he's so young Dan Schneider didn't get touch him yet okay

okay so it's going to be him and then so the kid's like I don't want grandpa living with me and he goes pulls a series of pranks on him oh the kid is going to prank his granddad but then the grandpa pranks back

and beats the living shit out of him your little fucking fairy you think you could do that to me huh I lift through the wall you son of a bitch you little who I'd watch that that sounds pretty good

yeah and then if it did like it straight up like if Todd Phillips directed it and it was like he just battered as the young fellow for two hours the whole film's like you don't push an old man too far but probably like they learn from each other at the end

yeah yeah it's kind of like a kid's movie then oh it's straight up kids movie yeah yeah i think it's like i think it's straight to DVD or something like that like so that's what's coming up next in the euros like okay repertoire yeah that's depressing it is a bit but we got the Irish man should be good

with Irishman come up as well which we can do an episode about that yeah we can do like a two part around that it's gonna be so long like really dissect it I'd say to be more talk with the Irishman than this There isn't really that much in Joker. It's more about the feel, the vibe. Yes.

The performance as well is fantastic. I will say, though, I never really felt from walking that this was the Joker. Just fantastic to come and hurt. Yeah. No, neither did I. I just felt like here is a very

mentally ill, possibly violent criminal and, you know, just his descent into madness. I never really, the sort of Joker, folklore, I don't really care that much about it. The only bit, though,'s like,

okay, this is a bit Joker now. is, you know the way when his two friends came over? Well, not friends, his workmates. Yes. Came over. Yeah. And he went mental the first one. And then was really nice to the second one.

But that's why I always taught Joker is he's a really happy guy who can turn the instant. He's having fun. Like, he's killing people who's having fun. And then every only game, he'll just go frown and just stab someone just for his own, like, amusement. Yeah. That was like really entertaining. That scene is, yeah, and it's like dark, really dark, but actually kind of funny as well. Yeah, yeah.

And fair plate to that little guy. Yeah. I don't know anything about him But I hope this leads some more things If they're doing a Willow remake or anything like that Like I hope Willow 2 Yeah Cockney Willow

Or the man Why is he bloody whizier you and I Fucking bash you in my You little snake Yeah something like Yeah It was great I tell you it was very fun

The suit comedians got some time Yeah He said Mark Marron Brian Callan was there Brian Callan played a stripper I think he's meant of a bigger role in it Yeah Sam Morell

who's like a comedian I really like who was he you know the other comedian who had the big just before Joe Gion yeah oh yeah like parking you know yeah yeah handicapped hope no one sees did yeah that was a really good but then the MC actually says Samorel everybody he was his real name I was like cool I'm dead happy for him I like Samarrel yeah yeah I was dead I didn't recognize them though but yeah that's cool yeah I didn't refocused on it should have had like a little link at the bottom of the screen to his Netflix special something like that just that just a little pop up menu I was thinking as well what do you think of the end after the shooting

where it's like it becomes real like the whole city has gone crazy descends into chaos yeah it did see that I guess that well the fact that it was the public execution was it was a pirate okay yeah yeah kind of like the Rodden & King thing you're gonna go that way are you well I'm just saying that was a televised thing bunch of clowns when you're a clown no one takes you seriously yeah no I'm just saying

yeah I can get yeah I was this song with the television aspect going now if Rodney King like if they write it but they dressed up as clowns America has to be very different that's true it would be yeah

not for a good but yeah so it became like that's when it became real like um i was wondering what the why is this taking so long with them like really like them dragging him out of police car and almost worshipping him for yeah i guess because this is the first time where he's really you know being he's on top and he's being like everybody loves him

that was the first time because he's total loser up until that but then when he commits that shooting even before that when he's on the show he's real pathetic like yeah he has this even voice of like yeah like well i should be why don't you love me like that like he's real just like that's another thing like if anybody looks at that and thinks you could be sympathetic like he's not meant

you're meant to not want he is pathetic like that's the thing yeah it's like if people watch it and we're like they're going to encourage people to like start murdering children and stuff like start like biting off kids arms and sewer or something like that's like

no it won't it's like and if that's the case then get that person help or something like don't claim the film yeah it is it's very like goes back to like the fucking 80s where like tipper gore would be like these movies and this music ooh well that was all like

she saw some black people and it turned her on but she couldn't admit that so like yeah so she had to ban it same with Nancy Reagan on drugs like Nancy Reagan she just wanted to get high the whole time yeah but she couldn't she couldn't control herself she's like I got to ban it for everyone so I can't get that that sweet

sweet glass pipe but I was thinking that bit at the end they kind of rolled a line of like lean little over the top a little bit with like you know them all worshipping and stuff like that but yeah if it if Zach Snyder directed it

I was thinking it would have been like they carried them out in like a proper Christ pose oh right like yeah and someone would have had a crown of thorns literally and put on him and a priest would have walked by holding a Bible and he would have seen and he would drop the Bible and gone like maybe the real clown

is God I renounced my faith Yeah Yeah Again it was It's one of those moments Where I just felt a little bit Over the top and cartoonish

Well they kind of fix it With the next scenes It's him just in prison then Yeah Laughing to himself And I love that When she asks Be alive and I said

Oh you wouldn't get it Yeah I love that That was great And then it ends of him Kind of running around Blood everywhere So it's like

Did he kill her probably Yeah Yeah It's fun Yeah Why not Who doesn't want to kill her therapist. Oh my God, we didn't even episode

that way. Oh, yeah, I think we should. We should go with it. We should kill our therapists. I know, we should... We'll do it. We should review our therapists or rank them, you know, who's the best? I've never had a proper therapist. Have you not? No, I've gone in to see

a few of them, but I've never liked them. Well, like into a community center and turns out it's somebody you know. Have you ever done? Have you ever had that? No. I've done something similar to that. Do you guys say over to know, you're mad in the head, cat. Get out of here, maw, you flub. I've had that where I was trying to get some pills once

had to go to the psychiatric place and joyda I met and bumped into a girl there that I used to know from your student apartments and she was like, what are you doing here? I was like, I'm just hanging out I'm not like these freaks I'll point to someone who's like I'm not like him just spit on him

mentalist what was she doing there though? She works here oh yeah yeah I can only say like I work here as well you just don't know me I have to leave now He's trying to take some mission Come on Mrs. Jenison

Back to your room Get off me She's always like this He's hit her a day And then she's like Why is her blood in your shoes Oh Credits roll

Oh But Overall So Is it Do you like it or not like it? I know you have mixed villains about it but

I'll watch it again another thing actually I was going to say is you know Zazy Beetz is in it yeah she's kind of the love interest yeah yeah yeah now I did redeem yourself because for a long time I was like why is this dumb woman yeah hanging out with this absolute freak

like and she was so loving and affection I'd probably even go into like when his mother was sick she went to hospital with him where I've been in relationships to girls they wouldn't do that like you know yeah even though they're the one

who put your mother in hospital well she had to watch where she was going she's blind and you were driving well you know bitch had come into her yeah but like so I was like oh this is a real like kind of badly written female character yeah and I was all in my head I only care I was all in my head going like oh god Mary Sue I don't you know this kind of like dumb websites like Jezebel or Dezabel a field day with this oh my god oh this doesn't pass the Beckdale test holy moly that turned out she that was all imaginary yeah he was imagining the whole time

and they actually there's a cool reveal where he's like yeah he ends up in our apartment and she's like what the fuck are you doing here get out which wasn't English no well that's how I remember it okay

please leave my establishments which I do my problem though was if it focused more on that relationship yeah the twist would have been bigger that's true but again I suppose she did she was sort of like

just like in the background and then I suppose in Joker's head he doesn't even want a real relationship he doesn't know what that is he just thinks like relationship to someone who's just there to worship you

and we'll touch you every now and again you know why isn't it well just what we're all looking for like another bit I thought it's funny is when he watches that comedian who I don't know who the first comedian was that they're seeing like

he's laughed at the wrong places in his notes are just like abuse equals funny and stuff like that he doesn't get what general audience is like I can really relate to that that's basically what this podcast is it's us like trying to be funny

and like go on like abuse equals funny maybe if we're horrible people will like it yeah I know that feeling yeah yeah that was my phone so that I know I can't even anything else say about the Joker

yeah no I enjoyed it but you know what the thing is because this sort of reactionary stupid fucking oh it's going to promote violence it's so absurd people are like people rightly see that as stupid so they want to go and defend the film as much as possible

so I think because of that they're holding the film on higher a pedestal than it deserves to be. Still a very good film still really enjoyed it but it's not like the masterpiece people are claiming it to be. That's the thing what ruined the film a little bit means the whole time I'm thinking about all the reactions of stuff like that

so I'm not just in the moment what he should be doing is going along and rooting for Arthur Fleck the whole time and being inspired by him and then committing crimes yourself. That's what you're supposed to be doing when you watch the film. That was their intention. Yeah, you're supposed to be rooting for him the whole time. But instead I was thinking about the reactions

and like the parents like wanted a band and they wouldn't show in Aurora like in the cinema and like one of the parents really annoyed me where she was like, oh DC comics should know that with great power comes great responsibility and like that's fucking Spider-Man

fucking gooing like that's Marvel you dumb bitch. Yeah, you fucking, they're a wrong properties you they're all by Disney and then the newest scandal about the film because they just can't get enough yeah they're saying that Gary Glitter is going to make loads of money off it

oh right because they've used one of his songs yeah yeah yeah which song they use again I don't know is it's something rock and roll it's the only song of his that people still like yeah I don't yeah I'm not but yeah I did read that people are giving out that Gary Glitter

is going to get money yeah it's like almost like full headlines like Gary Gler was going and like, Pido makes millions of walking Phoenix and he probably likes it. Yeah, but you're right, they're just sort of clinging at everything and

anything now. They are hoping somebody commits a mass shooting in the evening. They are desperate for it like. I wouldn't be surprised if they started paying money and if that was the case, I could pay. I could use a couple extra bucks. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's perfect. They give me

$20, I shoe up a cinema. I'm set for life. Win. But they don't even, they're like, we'll pay you after. Seems good to me. I have to buy my own gun and everything. Don't even like... If I'll keep the receipt, they'll reimburse me.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, walking was great. Before we go, I have to say, like, walking. For whatever problems I have, no one has a problem walking. Even like the woman who's a kid's dying, she was like, I have to say, you know, he was great. That's a guy. That's a good performance.

Me and me want to pick up a good one. I've loved ever since Gladiator now. He's fucking class. Walk the line, her. He can do no wrong in my eyes. Him in the Paul Thomas Anderson film. I'm so... Um...

What story is it? It was him and his brother's river. Yeah. River Phoenix So River Phoenix Was like a teen idol Really big Like he was in movies like Stand By Me

And he was in Indiana Jones He was yeah Young Indiana Jones Yeah he was this real like teen heartthrow But really good actor Did you ever see my private Idaho No I've never seen any good Very good

I really only made the connection That the two phoenixes are related Yeah Like recently Well like the night that River Phoenix Odeed is Joaquin that I made the 9-1-1 call You can hear that like

He's only like 15 at the time or something Yeah, yeah, yeah I bet he gave you great performance The guy in the other end of the line He's like, sir, I know you're going through a lot right now But that was fantastic Wow Do you have representation?

No, he was like, do you know the Joker? You could play the Joker As soon as heat dies, you can play him And they're like, who's heat? You'll find it I know all The time traveling phone operator I'll have to go warn Jack Nicholson

to get out of that house For some bad shit happens Oh my god People are going to be wilder now Okay Yeah we'll end it there Yeah yeah That's really all we could say about to film

Oh we did 43 minutes or so Yeah That's more than I taught Well To anyone who listened to this that hadn't seen the Joker, you're a fool, you should have seen it first. I say you should see it once.

Yeah. Regardless you want to see it again, I might change your mind. Yeah, definitely you should see it once. Yeah, just to be part of the conversation. There's some great bits in it. Like, I think it's a really good movie. It's just not a great, one of the all-time great.

No, that's the kind of annoying thing is, I feel like if another script writer came in and just made a few little tweakies, tweaked tweaks, like you could get something that could be legitimately nominated for an Oscar, which just might still. might be it might be i don't know yeah i've heard they actually talk to the academy and it's very mixed bag like the guys in the academy some of them are like i'm not even to watch this

because my grandson says it's bad you know and others are like you know uh this is genius some remember like really over top like this genius this is like you know anyone who needs to understand mental health issues to watch this film and you're like no they're like show this in training now if he comes in dressed as a clown he's got problems if he look sad that means he's a murderer he needs to kill him before it kills you but yeah no overall I enjoyed it

you had mixed feelings I mixed feelings that's because like I'm a nerd and I'm noticing these things because of the scrutiny if I was sitting down sometime on like a Saturday night and I smoke a giant

I would watch this again yeah of course well that's all we got to say on that so that was our joker episode um so Todd Phillips if you have any problems with what we said god Phillips would love us give us a show he think about how he hates like walk comedy and that's true yeah that he would love us yeah yeah we'd get on the show he could make a movie about our lives now if people want to see a depressing character study look no further than our biography we're pussies won't even do the thing at the end

We just sit in the car In the car park With the guns It's like Will we just go home Yeah I don't care Let's watch Boardblock Empire

Go to like the McDonald's drive through Oh can I have a cheeseburger And a milkshake please I'm sad Yeah The end Credit's roll All right Todd Phillips

Hit us up Yeah yeah yeah And James Holmes And James Holmes Why not I'd love to get his opinion in the film, actually. Yeah, wouldn't that be great? Imagine if he was like,

he had, like, really technical opinions. He was like, I felt there was like too many Steadicam stuff. Should be more held ham. Held hand stuff. So he's more like, we're more like, with the character. But more like, he's more like a subject at the moment. And we're like, wow James Holm, you're very... Well, I've got a lot of time to read now.

I don't really get out much of these things. I've watched all of the, you know, the 1,000 films to watch before you die. Yeah. That book. Oh, wherever. oh yeah he's watched that he's read all the roger ebert books like he's real big into the cinema yeah i love felini's eight and a half the bicycle thieves was oh it really retole my

me re-tink what i think of humanity you know all right okay let's end it there yeah yeah all right guys thanks for listening good look good luck good luck