Brian and James Fuck Each Other - Episode 47 : The Irishman
Episode Date: November 13, 2019Brian and James saw the new Martin Scorsese picture, The Irishman. Lots of Spoilers....
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Well, we're talking about the Irish fan.
Yeah, we tell the Irish man.
And this episode is going to be all about the Irish fans.
If you haven't seen it, stop listening, go watch it and come back.
Yeah, well, actually, you might do, like, the first few minutes non-spoilers.
But I tell you, just straight off the bat, because we were talking about it there.
It's, like, a movie that spans several decades, you know, like from the 50s onwards, and it's like gangsters and stuff.
I was surprised by how few, almost no racial epitaphs.
It was not a single N-word.
Yeah, not a single end.
I mean, I was disgusted beyond belief.
There's a few fun ones, like, you know, WAP and stuff like that.
Wap, yeah.
Which you can say, like, without any fear.
It's like, WAP is attributed to Italian Americans,
but you know what WAPS stands for?
It just means without papers.
Yeah, I knew something.
So it could be any, you could assign that to any illegal immigrant.
Acronymbs can't be racist.
Yeah.
Without papers.
Wop.
There you go, it's in.
So out there somewhere, someone's going to go, like, okay, what could the N-word stand?
never interpret general
ah i had a woman
come on help me out here
this is why you can't do it like
this is why we'll never be racist
we're not smart enough for that
but yeah we saw the Irish man
the new Martin Scorsese picture
and I haven't been able to talk about anyone
I saw it like
I think like five days ago
and I haven't been able to talk to anyone about it
because nobody you know has seen it
no one I know
we'll see it or wants to see it like
how with the group that I hang out
Hey, I'm waiting, Dundalk, like,
like, I tried to bring it up first in class,
and they were like, oh, why would you go see that, you know?
I was trying to explain it to him, like,
it's all about Jimmy Hoffa, and they were like...
Yeah.
Well, he would say that in the films and kids nowadays,
don't know who Jimmy Hoffa is,
but back in the day, he was as big as the Beatles.
Yeah, they probably don't know the Beatles are, right?
I just, my class are different.
Like, I was trying to explain to them.
They're normies, like, you know, like...
Yeah, they're not freaks.
I was trying to explain to him, like,
it's good, like, it's three and a half hours
and they were like, oh, what?
Oh, you can watch like
four episodes of Gogglebox.
And I didn't even bring it up
in, like, work, because
I probably just, I don't, beat me up.
Mr. Coulchard went to see a film,
did they? Hank says the big man,
now, yeah. Martin Scorsese, is it?
Yeah, they act like I went to go to the opera
or something like that. Like, ooh.
Mr. Fancy
knows how a cinema works
It's like
Telly, but bigger
And I don't like it
Alright, because I've got to sit next to people
I don't like sitting next to
Yeah
I need people to talk about
I miss the day
I used to be in like a more artistic course
Yeah
So like you talk to people about this stuff
And my course
Like I even tried to
Like Rick and Morty came back as well
Yes, that's right
And I tried to bring that up
And you're like
Rick and Mori
There's no story to that
that's what they said
who said that
I want to name names
no I want names
addresses and blood type
right now
uh Jesus
how do you not like Rick and Morning
I don't know like saying I don't like it
is one thing but saying there's no story
yeah it's weird because like
there's a lot
there's a lot that it's a very clear
story I'm such a like
I'm so old and I was like no no there is
it's like to have like an A plot and a B plot
much like all the episodes of Seinfeld
yes it's kind of what is that
it's the circle
it's a very specific
dynamic that he incorporates
into his writing, Dan
Harmon. I can't remember it's like
there's a method that he calls it, but essentially
yeah, both plots, like the A
plot and the B plot, but then they
intertwine or whatever. Yeah, it's kind
like the hero's journey or something like that.
Yeah, Joseph Campbell's stuff.
Yeah, so a thing that will
help you create a satisfying story
or like will help you just make sure that
it is satisfying to the audience. The fact,
I don't even get that criticism.
there is no story.
Yeah.
But every movie is a story for the most part.
It's not like I was like the new David Lynch film.
There was no story.
And then I'd be like, okay, I suppose like you're kind of right there.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
This is fairly conventional.
It's an adult swim sitcom.
Yeah.
It's not like, like, off the wall.
And they were just like, that's just dumb.
And then like, what am we going to say?
Like, just spit on her.
So yeah, look, enough by so you're finally here now.
We can talk about the Irishman.
The Irishman, yes.
we won't spoil that straight away
we should just
maybe what can you spoil really
it's Gorsesey gangsters
people die
Jimmy Hoffa disappears
yeah well if you didn't know that
go fuck yourself well
the whole point of it is you should know that
so spoilers from death
well before we go into the film
I don't know it's interesting though
Jimmy Hoffa like I knew who Jimmy Hoffa
was long before this film
but I think I learned
I first heard about him from Simpsons
they used to make jokes about Jimmy
Hoffa like
Jimmy Hoffa I wonder where he
disappear to and then they're just like
quick cut scene to like a shallow grave
on a football pitch. Like
Jimmy Hoffa was like Madeline McCann
like, no, do you know it was like that was the easy joke
to go to like if someone disappears
like yeah you're a regular Jimmy Madden McCann
Hoffa, you know
Hoffa McCann
yeah Madeline McCann also did a lot work for unions
I wonder if the Podesta brothers were behind
Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance also
oh I love like when he's
first years get mixed up
where it's like
The pedestrian brothers
are pedophiles
They kidnapped and molested
Jimmy Hoffa
Or they're like
No Hoffa was cheating
on Prince Charles
When Muslim
So Prince Philip
And the Buffalo
And the Buffaloino
Crime family
Had him what
Okay so
It's about Jimmy Hoffa
Who was a teamster
Yeah he ran the unions
He was like
President of the unions
Yeah
Specifically truck driver
was truckers were the big thing and other unions got incorporated in it but it was the truck drivers
where especially back then truckers like if you didn't have truckers he'd have not in like yeah he
used that if something's delivered to your house a truck brought it to you yeah we need trucks
no i knew very little about hoffa but after seeing this film i've watched hoffa the jack nicholson
film directed by danny devedo yeah i've not seen it don't i won't it's really not good it's not great
it's really i was surprised by how like it feels like a tuesday
TV movie.
Yeah.
It's not well made.
Like, I need to go, I forget, like,
have you watched any other DeVito's films they directed?
Like, Matilda, but I haven't watched that a long time.
I tell you, Def De Smoochie, have ever seen that?
That's great because it's about,
um, uh, so Edward Norton and Robin Williams play rival,
uh, they're like, you know, like mascots.
They dress up in a costume, kind of like a Barney, the dinosaur type figure.
Yeah.
So they're rivals and it's actually, it's one of,
Robin Williams is
really great, overlooked.
He's so funny and he's so good.
He's just classic Robin Williams
where he's just like stream of consciousness
just riffing so hard
the whole time and it's just so much fun
to watch. But yeah, it's a lot
of fun. He directed that. He also
did he direct Duplex with
Ben Stiller and Patricia Arquette
where they move into this apartment?
I haven't seen that either. And their old lady
landlord starts pissing them off so they
think they'd plot to kill her. I haven't
seen it, I just heard about it. He's directed a few
kind of like dark comedies. Did he do
throw Mama from the train as well?
God, I really know too much.
Wow, yeah. Yeah.
You really like,
I've actually published a book about it.
I have written my entire
thesis, Danny DeVito.
No, just the films of DeVito.
Not his acting career. He's acting
shit, okay, taxi, go fuck yourself.
But the directing.
Well, Junior, that was
it's like French
New Wave, like he was really saying something.
well i need to look up the timeline of de v o's films but this from a technical point of view was not good
well that was like i'm pretty sure hafa was early 90s yeah yeah so even just simple things like
transitions and um just the music the music felt like you're watching a batman film as
sometimes.
It's really over-traumatic.
As soon as Hoffa appears on screen.
Who's the villain in Hoffa?
Capitalism.
A bunch of, like, Republicans.
Oh, we have to stop the unions, boys.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't be afraid to use your claws.
Don't be afraid to use bureaucracy.
Like, there's a bit in the film where, like,
like, he's being taken away to prison.
Spoiler alert again, like he gets arrested.
He gets arrested, yeah.
And they have him looking at his grand door through the window,
and his grand door looks sad,
and he looks sad,
and they're playing the sad music
in case we're too dumb to understand that he's sad.
And it goes on way too long,
and like, this is not well done.
Like, there's no subtlety here whatsoever.
Well, it was the early 90s.
I mean, we were still,
subtlety wasn't really,
things were still kind of overdone, dramatic,
kind of, like, when you go back and watch a movie
from the 70s,
everything is just a little more heightened,
the performances,
the Misson Saint, if you will.
You know, everything's just...
Someone graduated.
Just barely, baby.
Just barely.
Fucking Van Wilder style.
I was here till I was 43.
You also had an Indian friend.
But you bullied.
I wouldn't call him a friend.
More like a guy who did stuff for me.
For fear of reprisal.
I won't do with a voice,
although I am very ten.
but I won't. That shows
growth. This is why you nearly didn't graduate.
It's still a sudden
you just work on your Indian voice.
Just in the mirror.
Every presentation I
gave is like James, we've talked about
this.
No, it'll work.
I'll win him back over.
But look, before we go to
Fartha, Nickle, I will say
half a film, Nicholson is good,
but it feels like he's acting against
the current. Okay. What do you mean by then? In that
he's so good and such a bad film.
It's like the film is working against. It's like if you take that music out and you don't
have the weird scenes and everything, he's, it's great. So would you
say his performance is worth watching the movie for? No. I would say
if you want to watch Hoffa by Danny DeVito, watch the last 10 minutes
to see what their version of what happens is. That's the only interesting part.
okay what do they say it happened can i spoil it yeah it gives a shit okay so i did i actually like
this big here now okay well it's not worth the two and a half hours wherever it is the film is it's a long film
yeah yeah yeah it feels long and also don't really explain who the fuck hoffa isn't it yeah well i suppose
early 90s he was still very much in the cultural side guys everybody knew who he was like you're right
yeah yeah yeah like the film opens of him going like who are you and he's like jimmy hoffa
and I think the only
we're supposed to be like
ooh
oh my
yeah
so I actually learned more
about Hoffa
from watching an Irish man
about Hoffa
yeah
but anyway so like
the film
it's like
Danny the Vito's in it
and he plays
Hoffa's friend
okay
and you know how it is
they're waiting
at the restaurant
for a meeting
okay
yeah
and so it's all done
on flashback
so they're waiting
the car
they flashback to something
they're like hey
Jimmy remember we did that
and he's like
yeah and then the flashback and they keep doing that okay uh very forced narrative choice to have it
like that so anyway the veal was like i want to get out some coffee and he goes and he meets a young
trucker okay and the young trucker's like hey asshole i was here first and he's like do you know who
i am he shows him his teamster card yeah he's like oh wow do you know jimmy hoffa he's like
i recognize you from the news you know jimmy hawfah don't you and he's like yeah i do and he's
like wowzers mister can i meet him he's like hey guess what bring him this coffee you know
and the guy's like oh wow mr oh gee i can't wait so he walks over and dain de v o is watching him
walk over the car being all like proud yeah that kid's gonna have a story to tell you know okay
so the kid sees hoffa pulls out a gun shoots him oh yeah which would be surprised he didn't know
the fact that like barra bing it wouldn't but the thing is like you're like there's only like five
minutes left so
something's bad
going to happen
that's very on the nose
some kid
just shot him
in public
yeah and also
I thought he disappeared
well that's the thing
so he shoots him
in public outside
a restaurant
and then shoots
down to Vito as well
out in public again
and then
what they say happens
which I don't think is
accurate
I need to do more research
on it is that
a truck drives by
real quick
and they put the car
into the truck
and then the two dead bodies
and drive off
into the sunset
but I think in real life
happy ending
yeah
I think in real life
I'm like again
a weird music choice
Yeah, it's okay about smoking here
Yeah, yeah, go for it like
But again, like, I might open the windows any bit
Sorry, I should have asked
Will you let me smoke at here before
So you set the precedent
Oh yeah, it's my, it's a victim's fault
Yes, always, always
Yeah, but I think in real life
They found the car
Okay, they found the car
but they didn't find the bodies.
Yeah, yeah.
Right, okay.
And also, there was no Danny DeVito in real life.
Danny DeVito was not there.
Yeah, that's why my big problem is like, actually.
I think you'll find.
Dain DeVito was an actor, not a trade union activist.
Fail.
So I watched that just to get a better understanding who Hoffa was.
But I don't, just watch the Irishman.
And, um...
Well, they really do detail of the Irish band that he was, like,
like, you know, iconic.
He was huge. Everyone in the country,
everyone in America knew who Jimmy Hoffa
was. Before we go into the film,
a self show, to talk about the production of it.
Okay. It had a very troubled production.
It labored in development hell.
That's an old industry term.
You plebs
wouldn't know about it. My course wouldn't know what that is.
What? You mean there was flames
in the devil?
What? Oh, here, what do you mean?
They went to hell.
Jesus, how'd you get out of that?
with the big fire and the devil
so yeah it was in
development hell for a long long time
just couldn't get funding for it
yeah which is surprising because
it's Martin Scorsese
yeah and also Wolf of Wall Street was like
Scorsese's biggest film financially financially
yeah in terms of in the cinema
had he been working on the Irish man
before Wolf of Wall Street
he'd been tinkering
for a long time
and he like you know
him and Steve Zillion I think is the screenwriter
I don't know exactly
but they'd been working on it for a while and they were they were like oh we'll do this and then they couldn't get funding straight away so they'd silence you know the religious film he did about um terrible is it didn't say it but i've heard it's terrible uh it's like leam nison and um or andrew garfield yeah and there's one other adam driver yeah i like adam driver i'm not actually andrew garfield he was good in boy yeah but anyway never mind yeah um so that didn't do like that was a bit of a flop a little bit but it's a religious picture like what you expect you know what i
Anytime Scorsese ventures outside his territory,
you know, it never, it's very mixed results.
Yeah, and he's done a good few things outside his territory.
He did like that Daniel de Lewis period picture.
What was that?
It was like some like film set in like 18th century London.
It's like a romantic film.
It's like a G-rayed film.
It's kind of like, uh, I don't know, whatever.
It was like sense and sensibility.
Yeah, yeah.
He's like trying to do with Bronte kind of style.
Keep the Mrs. Happy.
Yeah, but he still has Petchy and it going on.
you motherfucking
You're motherfucking
This fucking Jew
You're like
Oh I do declare
Mr. Darcy
I've always relied
On the kindness
Of mobsters
I'm really mixing up
The Jean things now
But anyway
Go on
Yeah
So it took him ages
And then eventually
Netflix stepped in
Yeah
They're like
We're going to do it
And it's a big
undertaking
Because you have to
Deage everyone
And that's where
The big
I think that's where
A lot of the money
Went to
Wasn't it?
Yeah
The deaging, yeah
Well
also just in general like just the amount of locations just how long the film is like it's a huge
production it would be incredibly expensive film without the cgia yeah but wit as well is
is corsese's most expensive movie to me by a long shot like how did you find the de-aging
i tell you i didn't notice it after like five seconds yeah it actually stopped being an issue you
were just so invested in the story and there were some bits in it where i was honestly didn't know
it's like have they just like darken his hair a bit it was like most of like two
tweaked, like, especially, like, as we get closer to, um, like, the disappearance of Hoffa.
Yeah.
Where I didn't know, like, if they just tweaked the face a little bit, or just, like, that's just
what they look like.
It was very well done.
Yeah.
Personally, I can't wait until they start using the de-aging technology in porn.
No more, no more saggy ball sacks or wrinkled cocks, you know?
Oh, I thought you were going a different way with that.
Oh, no, yeah.
Subverted it.
Ooh, take that.
I thought you were going on the kind of, like, more Epsteiny kind of way of, like.
Oh, God, no, no, no.
All this barely legal stuff.
Oh, like, you know, like Ron Jeremy and Jenna Jameson, all those big 90s porn stars, you know, they're not looking great now.
Oh, yeah.
So they could come back, you know.
Well, all those porn stars who OD'd back in the day, like you can bring them back.
Yeah, like James Dean.
They're bringing him back.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Actually, another sidetrack for a second.
Like, they're bringing him back, all right?
Yeah.
And that's done.
Okay, but have you heard the plot to the film?
No.
finding Jack
it's about a soldier who finds a
Labrador during the Vietnam War
and then the Labrador is to find his way
home
and James Steen's going to be there
yeah James Dean's like
where's my dog
where's my, oh I'm so
as he's like gunning down a village full of civilians
that he gets molested
by Marlon Brando
it's like homeward bound
where it's like this dog
and like probably like he finds a snake
Yeah, and they become friends
A frog as well
Like in the
Like you know
And they're like going around
And like they
They find like just a dead Cambodian hooker
And they cut her ear off
And wear around their neck
Because like a prize
Okay
That really happened
Did it?
Yeah in the Vietnam Wardies
They cut off their ears
And wear them like his necklaces
Yeah
Yeah
Oh okay
Just
These millennials wouldn't know
With that
These snowflakes
is that offensive is it oh so anyway let's go back yeah I mean back to Irishman we keep getting
side check but let's just jump straight into it like spiders from now on like yes what was your
overall opinion of it I thought it was great and um I was really enjoying it like it's very
Scorsese but it felt a little bit more kind of mature it wasn't quite as sensationalist as like
you know good fellas or even casino but then it really you can tell
that Scorsese is very concerned about getting older now
because the bit towards the end where he's really old,
it gets kind of depressing, actually.
I left the cinema thinking,
oh God, we're all going to get old and die.
And it really drove that point home.
The ending of it, the last half hour,
Scorsese just reveling and like how depressing can I make this?
How much, like, how many shots of like old De Niro
trying to paste them and volume over it?
I'm breaking his hip and crying.
Can I have?
How many scenes is like,
he's on a mobility scooter
and it breaks down?
And then he's a bird shit.
He's still a gangster.
He's doing drive-bys
in his mobility scooter.
Wu-Tang!
And then buying a coffin as well.
It's like, just so depressing.
Yeah, and Action Bronson is the salesman.
He's like,
Hey, you want some coffins, motherfucker?
He should start rapping.
I'm going to cook you something delicious.
And then rip a bong.
He starts rapping.
No, I say, he's like, you can't walk, take this.
Takes a hit of a bong and then it starts getting up and starts dancing.
Break dancing.
Yeah, yeah.
Go, Ninja, go, ninja, go.
Yeah, it's very different from Goodfellas and Casino.
It was like, you're reveling and how fun it was.
Yeah, it wasn't as fun.
It was more serious.
It would always be like, it was fun, fun, fun.
And then they would have the term where it was like, oh, my God, crime does pay, you know?
And then, you know, Henry Hill would realize it, but he was too,
and even then, you know, they'd play like the
Oh, did it my way
at the end, you know. But this
is more like, like they keep
showing how people died as well.
Yeah. It's appear on screen. So like...
Every time a new character appeared on screen
that's based on a real life gangster, it'll just show
their name, what year they died
and how they died. And it was usually
eight shots to the face in front
of their crying children. Yeah, it was all
just like execution style like, in
the face. In the face. And it's always
like eight, six shots,
eight shots these guys didn't play around yeah it was like this was like a rev this was like
send the message yeah yeah giving him an old lead salad yeah um yeah um it's very different
tone like even the way they handled debt like like the debt of hoffa was just kind
sad and well quick the major spoiler of that and i was not expecting that is when they show him
dying. Yeah.
Yeah. Essentially, they allude to the fact that he was murdered by Frank Sheeran.
Yes, because apparently Frank Sheeran, who, that's De Niro's character on his deathbed,
said, I murdered Jimmy Hoffa, allegedly.
He murdered, yeah, according to him now, no, a lot of historians have, like, gone against
this, but the historical actually doesn't really matter.
No, it's a movie, like, it's a movie.
Yeah, yeah. And it's just, Shearron, almost like, Forrest Gump in a way, like.
Yeah, he's kind of like this well-natured.
Simbledon who's very good at murdering
people. Yes. Now
Forrest Gump could be very different if
he met a different type of person.
Life is like a box of chocolates.
I'm going to fucking kill you, you
bitch. What? I don't
get that metaphor at all.
Yeah, yeah. That woman on the bench
she worked for the wrong family.
Child, please.
Ah, God damn it. I have not myself.
It doesn't matter. It's the Irish
man like. Yeah, yeah.
What was it?
going to say um so yeah like that as well with the debt of hofer which yeah it was just so quick
and just sad yeah yeah point this in a way like yeah it was just like he he was just stepped on too
many toes and it's like it's time for this guy to go but if you think about like i heard i've been
listening to a lot of reviews on youtube about and reading a lot of reviews as well yeah and a lot of
very dumb. Okay. Like really
dumb. There's a lot of like movie
review shows on YouTube. It's like, yo,
we're the movie bros. Yeah.
Yeah, it's like, yo, we love
protein and film.
I work out this hot
body. And I go
and study some film academia.
It's a lot of very handsome people.
And like it's like real handsome guys and muscles
or girls with massive tits being like, I
love, I've seen
Pulp Fiction and a bit of
a bit of Citizen Kane
I heard another guy
on YouTube
I forget he thinking he's something like
the cinema
crazy cinema guy or something like that
like they're all awful names
he's like oh yeah
cannot wait for this film
The Irish Man
it's got Al Pacino
Robert De Niro
Harvey Firesteen
Oh my God
Harvey Fireston
Isn't he the
The kind of the raspy voice
Yeah
Yeah from Mrs. Dauphire
Jimmy Arthur
Yeah
That's not even a good
Oppression
But anyway
So yeah
The reviews
Well here's one other critique
That has annoyed me
Yeah
The fact that they say
That Anna Pacquin
Who plays his daughter
Has only got like
Six to ten lines of dialogue
It's so moronic
But that's the whole point
Of her character
She's sort of this silent
reserved
judgmental figure
who is disapproving
of our father's life
and because of his
the way
his mob connections
she becomes emotionally
distanced
she emotionally
distances herself
from him
intentionally
so that's the whole
point of the character
is that he doesn't
have a good relationship
with his daughter
because of his mob
life and people are like
oh she should be talking more
she's silent
that's the point
yeah that is the literal
point of the character
people don't see
understand like acting's more than just talking yeah yeah and that might be a crazy opinion maybe i
should start teaching acting classes here like hey tell me your name shut up yeah that's acting baby
tell me your name without talking they'd be like what i'm like yeah you fail now i'm going to
abuse my power to have sex with you welcome to acting school um yeah it's like she's meant to be
quiet and like people
online have been given shit
like there's a reason why Scorsese
cast Anna Paquin that roles well you understand
that right yeah yeah he cast a well-known
and good actress for that role
because he knew she could convey that
and she gives a fucking great performance
like she really is like it's very much
anytime she appears on screen
they have that straight relationship it's very like
the ghost at the feast you're like
oh god it's horrible to watch this
and her character in general not even just
Anna Pacquen herself but the little
I was well playing, like, the way they played, like, she was afraid of, like, Pesci's character.
Exactly, yeah, yeah.
It was all great.
It was fantastic, yeah.
The kid was a really good actor as well.
Yeah, yeah, she, she, a little too good.
You're like, she looks a bit too scared.
We're like, how, what did they do?
What did Pesci do?
Yeah, it's funny how?
How am I funny?
You fucking Jew.
What?
I didn't say anything.
Yo, little mutt.
It's like, you ever see a film where a baby's crying, you're like, oh, no, they probably.
They probably.
I didn't have a slap.
No, not even a slat.
he's flicked it or something like that or just like you know
let a dog bite his toe or something
something that wouldn't be too bad like
yeah yeah yeah but she was good
but guys I have recorded
sounds of babies crying we don't know
shut up hit that baby
yeah I'm an art
I'm an all tour people
I think people went into that trying to find something
that Anna Pacquitang was like the best they could
find yeah yeah but like I know some people
like go into this film almost like
it's like Scorsese gangster
they're filming about like guys.
Yeah, so there's already this like,
oh, it's just another hedonistic, you know.
But it's not even, like the characters
aren't even misogynist in it.
No, there's really no gratuitous
sex at all in it.
No, it's not about that.
It's not even much, any drug use.
No, there's no drug use.
And like the, like the, when the violence happens,
it's very clinical, almost bureaucratic.
Yeah.
It's like, okay, we don't like it,
but this guy's got to go.
So go do them.
him gone bang bang you're dead move on it's not like there's really no sensationalist element to
it if you know what i mean you're right actually i'm just thinking they're like all the murders
most the murders are just like pop pop pop to the head yeah it's very just like pop pop has to be done
okay we're done let's go just like maybe one guy gets strangled and that was like the whole point
that was like Stephen graham's guys are doing that yeah yeah yeah so they were a bit like more
bad ruthless and violent yeah yeah exactly for the most part yeah it's just pop pop pop
very clinical yeah has to be done we don't like it but look it's the cost of business we've got to do it
yeah you know what i mean they really like ran it like a corporation kind of thing like yeah it's
so toned down like yeah there was no fun violence no there wasn't really that's what i mean
it wouldn't work in it no it was very um yeah that's what's what's what i meant when i said
it's a more like mature style of film making from scorsese it's you know what it is it's a film
feature and everyone in it realizes they're going to be dead in next five years yeah like
everyone is like struggling with that
and this is them trying to come
to terms of that artistically
of like you know
I'm sure a lot of those scenes at the end
with De Niro like they weren't even scripted
that's just his real life
he just can't walk
he's just in a wheelchair
is my daughter coming
no Robert you know why
we're not going to say why
but you know why
yeah
like yeah I just think
the scene of him like falling over
on the ground
they just happened
of a camera
that was at the rap party
somebody was just filming
on their phone
Marty was like brilliant
what happened
I couldn't see
you know he's basically
he's nearly blind now
actually
he's got a like
glaucoma
or maybe he was a few years ago
and now he's better
but it was actually
I'll not say who
but it was a lecture
in DKIT who worked
on one of his films
whoa I wonder who that is
well look
the general public
isn't gonna know
I suppose yeah yeah
I said public. I meant public and populists were both there.
And I went, bleh.
Didn't know what you meant?
No.
Well, you just smoked a big fatty.
Oh, I smoked a little number.
Cheeky little toke.
So what?
What are you?
My mom?
And I drank a Canada Dutch goal.
Yeah.
We're both going crazy here.
We're both party animals.
It's like animal house.
Yeah.
We're both balushi.
But neither of us are funny.
We're just sad.
Neither of us can have a ladder.
It's just me like boosting you up.
Can you see that?
ditties
it's me and you
trying to get hard
but I can't
it's like
we went to see
the Irish man
together I got on
your shoulders
I made a big coat
and the guy was like
you know you're both over 20
well hello
my good man
yes I would like
a one ticket
to the Irish man
I hear there's boobs in it
I'm gonna see
some pus
God we're really on a tangent
now let's go back
um so wait scorsese is very blind allegedly yeah he like just has real like he has to wear big glasses
and he has to like sit like this to the monitor like you know he's yeah he's got like a lot of problems
with his eyes man that's another thing like when people were giving shit about like the films too long
yeah one deep scorsese knows it's going to be on Netflix it's going to see more Netflix than cinema
absolutely yeah so people will take you know breaks very limited release in cinema as well like two weeks
like i went to see it uh last night cinema was practically empty same with me like
nobody's going to see it in the cinema
it's all Netflix there was like six people
in it there was like
a couple and already are like
oh someone made a bad choice here
and date wise like
I could tell just by looking
at her she was not interested
oh really she was I just I made me
it because that you were staring at her
not the film that maybe she was uncomfortable
yeah I knew she was uncomfortable
why aren't you liking this you daff bird
you don't know Jimmy Hoffa dea you fucking
no I just like the way
way like he was he just seemed more
excited than her and she was on her phone
and I was like oh okay and then there was two young
lads in the back who I think still had their school uniforms
on which makes you think like maybe they're
a mitching like yeah let's skip
was this during the day that you went to see it
no no that's the thing like they must just
like didn't bother to change
okay right maybe just maybe there's two guys
who like dress up like school kids
I don't know hey you know to each their own
it's 2019 you know it's 2019
welcome to undah
and then there was two old lads in front of us
where I think maybe like it was a lad and his dad
just the age difference in that
and they were loving it but like
they were a lot of like ha ha
yeah like you know somebody makes a reference
well the you know the Kennedy stuff is great as well
yeah but it was more like you know
every now and again it was like geez that's like you
oh really yeah but it was like stuff I was like
what do you mean I thought they were like you know just
you know the really obscure little
no no I think they were retarded
oh yeah yeah yeah
that's what you
I will say the biggest laugh
they got out of it was for the trailer
for bad boys for life
to the painting of when Martin Lawrence
is like my wife's going to kill me
and they're like
ha
you have a straight relationship
with your wife hilarious
I killed mine
I went back to Irish man
yeah so people are giving a shit about the length of it
yeah
but like it's this is probably going
this is definitely
Martin Scorsese's last
big gangster.
Yeah, I'd be surprised
if he comes out
with anything that's
going to top this.
Just enjoy this for now
because he's going to be
dead soon
and you know how lucky we are
that one, they got the budget
for this
and two is just the right time
where the de-aging is just
right, that works
and the actors
are just old enough
to play the older version
but all the main cast
is still like
it wasn't like
it could be awkward
maybe like if Pesci
had a stroke or something like that
and then they had to try
and write it into the
movie we're like oh yeah he's head of the crime family but also can't talk and he just
blinks and dribble like which by the way like let's just go through the cast for a minute
okay yeah so so first of all De Niro De Niro who how nice does it see De Niro get to act again
yeah do proper acting not good acting dirty grandpa yeah oh my god like it was just so nice
like oh he's restrained the scene oh yeah yeah he's playing and I'm invested in it
this is insane
he hasn't like he hasn't seen that in a long
time from De Niro yeah it's true like he didn't
like ask someone to
milk him
or how do you think like
Meet the fuckers
yeah yeah it was like this is great
like why can't he like this all the time
and then we have Pichino
who is fucking
100% should get an hospitalization
oh he's fantastic in it he's so
it's so much fun to watch
because at times he is being reserved
and then at other times he's being classic
over the top Pacino
or it's just great and so much fun
it's so fun to watch him go from like
just this is almost like
what Pacino was born late
late stage Pacino was born
this is his role like yeah yeah he gets to be a guy
who shouts a lot and like just says weird
things and this acts crazy
yeah that's him yeah it's great it's a lot of fun
Pesci is great in it as well
Pesci he's always been good
like he's more restrained in this
he's definitely more restraining it yeah 100%
you're still afraid of him
Yeah, he's kind of got that, like, Paul Servino's character in Goodfellas, he played Pauley, where he's like that, that quiet presence that everyone's kind of intimidated by, that's very much Pesci in this film.
If The Archmouse made in the 90s, Paul Serveno would have played.
Pesci's character, and Pesci would have played Stephen Graeme's character.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, 100%.
He's great in it as well.
Just seeing, Stephen Graeme, just seeing him and Pacino together, yeah.
They're two, they had two big scenes.
One of them in prison and one them afterwards.
Yes, and they're both fantastic.
Oh, so good.
Should we talk about it in detail those scenes?
One of those scenes, okay, the fact that like Pesci calls him a wop and then Stephen
Graham goes to like, oh yeah, sorry, yeah, Pacino calls him a wop and then Stephen Graham immediately
goes like, I'm going to kill your grandkids.
They actually have like a fist fight in prison and Graham's like, you motherfucker, I'll beat this
shit out of you.
That's just so great.
He was in like,
This is England
and now he's battering
the godfather in prison.
It's a lot of fun.
He's a great career now.
He is fantastic.
He's such a good actor.
Quick divergence.
He played an alcoholic
in this show called The Virtues.
I want to see that.
Oh, like it's really depressing,
but it's such a fantastic portrayal
of an alcoholic.
He himself is a teetotaler.
He doesn't drink at all.
Really?
So it's just like testament
to what a great performer
and actor he is.
I saw him on a TV show
recently the one show
and he is so
I'm sorry I watched the one show
I'm a big fan
I got a tattoo all right
but he was on it like
and he's just so like
oh yeah it was great being
yeah I love making movies
it's so fun yeah
he's just such a positive guy
yeah yeah and it's weird
because like you're kind of like
where is he from or is he originally
scouse or because he
no I've seen him do all
I've seen him do scouse cockney
you know yeah
etc I just like
every time I've seen him he seems so happy
but I'm like I've seen you
beat up multiple women
I just keep thinking
a combo like that's what I think of like
racist and all yeah yeah yeah he's
fantastic that's a sign of how good he is
that I think he's racist
but he's been in
like Scorsese he cast him in gangs of New York
which is 2003
I think he came out so obviously
Scorsese has had his eye on him for
a while you know I think gangs
New York was maybe a little bit closer to
2011 it was shite like
oh yeah yeah it's not good
what are closer to nine
when it came out like i think came out maybe it's a thousand three maybe like 2002 okay maybe
i'm maybe not sure like but it was like yeah i defended that for a long time and i watched it again
it's like oh no it's not good uh decaprio his irish accent is god awful and then adding a bit
of cameron daz's his accent as well oh yeah terrible and then uh yeah yeah it's kind
depressing daniel de lewis saves it he's so fun to watch as bill the butcher yeah
whoopsie daisy you know uh yeah you gags of new york fans will like that yeah yeah it's not many of them
yeah you know the problem with that film is is um they should have just killed off fucking uh what's
his name um lean arcapio's character like yeah i didn't like him no i didn't like and if they
killed them off like let's say half should have filmed he just gets killed yeah and then it just
switches to like uh daniel de louis yeah yeah that would have been a much better film and
then you'd be like holy fuck down to louis is like uh yeah he's he means business like
the bill the butcher is killing we're going off track here let's get back to the irishman uh what
else you'd like about the irishman uh i mean the performances are great you know the de-aging
uh it didn't affect it like after as you said you really stopped noticing it after a while
and yeah just the fact that it's just very mature like i'm just sort of going saying what i said
I think everyone, when they see it,
the first second you see De Niro driving that truck,
everyone is going really staring at.
They're scrutinizing.
It's like, oh, whoa, what,
they're really going like,
hmm, is his head moving right?
Like, almost like, they're really overloaded as yet.
And then you see Pesci and, like, he's like also looking different.
You're like, oh, okay.
And then the second they just start talking, like,
interacting, like, perfect.
Yeah, and you're done.
Like, you're in.
You know, they sort of grab you from the start.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I went back and looked at like some of the other times
they've like tried to recreate characters and like
I'm surprised like even Star Wars
the Star Wars film that came out like
you know Rogue One came out like two years ago
yeah yeah they bring back Peter Cushing
in that and in the D age
what's her name that drug addict
you know that wordless drug addict
yeah yeah yeah no she's great
the DH her and it looks creepy
I had a heart attack on a plane
oh did she
yeah that's she was on drugs
that's fun princess layover
that's what I call her
and hey oh that's the worst joke
I've ever said
did you think of that when she died
yeah I did really and I've been waiting
for that was probably the first thing
that I thought when she heard she died
oh that's a shame now I wish she'd die again
now
you could like you saved that for the 10 year
you had a really good bit when she died though
yeah I did your bit was really good
what was it again
it was like the fact that like
okay so she
died and her mother died straight afterwards like literally the day after i was like oh that's nice
you would you said that if you died your mother would go out of her way to get super healthy and love
she i do people like god you look great are you doing palates like no just brian died and i feel
great that was a great bit yeah again like it's a shame that like it's shame that time passes
yeah yeah yeah can't really go up remember remember when she died huh yeah it is kind of like yeah
Jesus. And what about this Jimmy Hoffa guy?
No, wait till
they make a movie about her, and then
you can bring it back. I think they already have.
Because she had a memoir called
Postcards from the Edge,
and I think they adapted it into
a film in Meryl Streep later.
Oh, me looked that up. Yeah, I could
be wrong about that, but anyway. Well, I know that
when they brought her back in Rogue One,
the Star Wars movie, she looked like a video game
character. Really? Of a creepy
ghost woman. Okay. Yeah, and Pierre
Cush as well, his head looked weird.
And both of these characters were in the film.
This is a big blockbuster Star Wars movie.
Yeah, yeah.
And they don't look good.
Okay.
And then, like, a few years later,
they make, like,
I suppose, like, they're not really,
the scene with De Niro as a soldier was only seen they're really the age.
Yeah, he's very young in that.
And that, I suppose, is that, you notice that CG.
Yeah.
But the rest of it, like, I suppose the real person's there.
It's not like bringing back Peter Cushing or something like that.
Yeah, it's the real guy.
Yeah.
But it does, it's, again, I can't get over
like how good it is and how lucky we are that we got
just the right time. Just at the right time. I said if they
made this a year before, it wouldn't
looky good. Wouldn't have lucked as good, yeah, yeah.
But, uh, any
criticisms of the film, would you? Do you
have any? Um, no, be honest with you,
after seeing Hoffa, I loved this even more.
Yeah, yeah. After seeing the VEO's attempt,
uh, I watched a documentary
as well about Jimmy Hoffa. Okay.
Ooh, get some history lessons.
Not, I don't,
don't feel is biased.
The documentary is called mobster.
Scum.
Yeah,
yeah.
Pido scum.
What?
The only kind of interesting part in it was the interview Chucky.
You know,
the,
um...
Oh, the son?
No,
he's not the son.
That's Jesse Plammon's character,
though.
Yeah, he's not his son.
He's not his son.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But like, they don't really go into that
in the film,
so I was kind of a little bit confused
when I looked at the cast list
because his last name isn't Hoffer.
Okay, right, right, right.
Chucky O'Brien is his name, like.
Okay.
So, in the documentary,
that came out, this is a few years ago now,
the interview, I think his name is
James S. Hoffa.
He's the biological son.
And he actually became president of teamsters
and like, oh wow. I think he
made it up, like, Obama appointed him
to be like, he worked in like
some government, the big
government department to do with like trade
negotiations, stuff like that. Okay, okay.
He did very well for himself, like, but
Chuck E. O'Brien, the guy Jesse Plymouth plays,
like, they interview him in the documentary.
They were like, you know, we found like,
half his hair and stuff in the back of your car
and he's like
I never killed
him I don't care what
the evidence says
I never killed him
and that's the end of that
and they're like no it isn't
we have more questions for you
and that's the end of that
so I do think he was involved
and there's actually an article
his Chucky O'Brien's son
wrote an article about that
where I think he kind of like was like
I think my daddy might...
Oh, a bit of a Ronan Farrow job.
Yeah, yeah.
Daddy, he's up to his old tricks.
Yeah, yeah.
So I think he was involved, but no one really knows.
Okay.
Yeah, nobody really knows.
The case is still open.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I did like, though, and they went into this documentary as well,
just how close politics wasn't in the mafia at the time.
Yeah.
We're like...
People say, like, oh, poor old Hoffa,
he was this good man.
he got involved with mafia.
Yeah.
But he wouldn't have been where he was without the mafia.
Yeah, that's true.
You can't be like some like, um, idiot who thinks like,
oh, why can't just become successful in America at that time, uh, without get involved
in crime?
It's like, uh, because they controlled everything.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I wonder how much that, um, is still, does, you think that's still the way it is today to
probably don't have as much power, but do you think there's still sort of links to like
organized crime and like the entertainment?
and industry in Hollywood
in present day Hollywood I mean
I'd say it's more money laundering and stuff like that
Okay kind of like white collar crime
Yeah I don't think it's like you know
I don't think there's a guy
Piss the Whippin' Tom Hanks
I'm gonna make him an offer
I can't refuse you better make Toy Story 4
You motherfucker
I want to see Woody and Buzz
And who's that one Rickles play
Yeah I want him to
Oh let's talk with Rickles for a second
Jim Norton playing Don Rickles
Yeah that was great
That was a lot of fun
I like to put that as well is didn't like have
Like they could have done some weird shit with that
We're like to try and like
Gave him lots of makeup to make it look more of Rickos
Yeah, yeah
Seedy him or something like that
It was very
It's just basically Jim Norton with like a hair piece
And like a bit of a fat suit
Yeah, a little bit of a belly
Yeah, a little bit of a belly
And just got to see him in it
And it was so fun to be like
Hey, what?
And yeah, it was just a fun little
Ah, look who it is
Yeah and you're kind of like
You kind of root for Jimmy a bit
Because he's such a loser
Do Chip Chiberson Jimmy
like the idea of like someone going oh and a
uncle paul
where's bobo
like bobo is like
shouldn't be alive
and barely is
yeah that was the good old days
where like you could just make fun of it mentally disabled
you just take him in and beat him on live on air
you wouldn't catch that on the radar
some show
you'd just be real awkward about it's like
Well, jeez, is your bloody daft in the head.
I'm going to give me a bit of a slap.
Jeez, sure, your penis.
Your penis is small.
Look at that.
There you go.
You dirty little fecker, you head.
Look at you with your little fucking Mickey Owl.
You love it, don't you?
You little prick.
Sorry.
I was really channeling something there.
Yeah, yeah.
The character.
Your eyes rolled into the back of your head.
So, there's actually two comedians in this.
Okay.
So there was Jim Norton and it was Sebastian Macchiono.
Oh, who did he play?
he played crazy joel crazy joe gallo yeah oh wow well actually there's a third comedian ray romano
oh jeez forgot he's great in it as well yeah yeah god what ray romano's had a real hot streak
oh he's he's like really kind of transcended over into proper serious acting i know you're worried
i looked it up the guy he plays survived thank god yeah yeah and he went on to make one of the
successful sitcoms of all
town
everybody loves
oh wait not's the
everybody hates Chris
yeah yeah
he went on to star
and everybody hates Chris
in what
some critics have called
offensive
well in the parallel
universe
Ray Romano's
he was playing
Terry Cruz's character
just in blackface
playing a young
Ray Romano
plays a young
Chris rock
and he says
the end word
a lot. Yes he does. So yeah, let's go
back. So we had Jim Norton, Sebastian
Yeah, you play his Crazy Joe.
Yeah. And just like, he was in
it for a few minutes, but he was just how fun it was
like, you know, he was recruiting black guys. Black guys.
He killed his own boss and stuff like that.
He like kidnapped us.
His old boss. Kidnapped his old boss. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they actually had a movie about Crazy Joe
as well. This is back in the 80s.
Oh, okay. Peter Boyle played him. This is a weird
coincidence. Wow. Oh, wow. We were talking when everybody loves
Synchronicity. The universe was
our podcast to succeed, Brian.
I'm a Sagittarius. I know what I'm
talking about. I'm actually
a Leo, but anyway, that's neither here nor
there. We'll talk about star signs.
God,
why is that shite so popular?
Anyone who like star signs like you should dig a hole
in the forest and get shot by Robert De Niro.
Dreyresteris is a Vietnam vet.
Those Epstein parties were crazy,
weren't they?
What else can we say about
the Irish Manfred for wrap this up?
I look the highest compliment
give it is that it's three and a half hours long
and I want to see it again. Yeah, Sam
yeah. You really, I didn't feel that
runtime until kind of like the very end
but I think the
you know, the runtime itself
almost serves a purpose in that
it sort of contributes or reinforces
the fact that Robert De Niro's character
has had such a long career
like he really lived the old age
so like the length of the film
is meant to reflect the length of his life
and towards the end it gets very
slow and like oh god this is a bit of a grind now you know yeah like i another guy i think it was
collider i forget which website it was one of them where the guy was like uh yeah i liked it but
the ending it was just so sad and long and it's like yes that's the point that's the point
it made me think about my mortality oh boring what about the new sonic movie
yeah yeah but like that last bit like i
was so impressed with that and I really like changed
I mean I was loving it the whole time
but that bit at the end is where you walker going like
oh I've seen a film yeah
a proper piece of
art dare I say dare I be so
pretentious but it is it was very
artistic well made film
it was great like you walk out with so much films
you're like oh I guess the studios
did that for guessing I guess they're
setting up a spin off there
oh I hope the studio
makes more money off that spin off
yeah
again other tangent you know doctor sleep
yeah you know that bombed in the box
office did it yeah didn't do well okay they had to
cancel they were going to do an oh halloran
oh my god scatman
crothers yeah they're going to do a young
haleran movie who would play them
oh get scatman back with
CGI
get Hong Kong fooie
I'm a scat man
what else can we say about the film like
I loved it like it was great yeah I just want to keep going on about
like it I loved it like like
there's one bit in it where it's
the near own Pacino
in pajamas
acting in a scene
that's good
and like I'm so lucky to see this
I did notice that
it's like when they're in a hotel room
and they're sitting there
in pajamas talking business
it's like
oh you never really see that
mobsters in pajamas
yeah
that's a sitcom I'd watch
mobsters in pajamas
yeah it's like
yeah it could be like
that would have been a Jack Lemon film
in like near the end of his life
yeah
him and
Walter Mondale
Walter Mato
I think he's something like that
yeah
people with them
killing a fucking prostitute
and then they get back
to the apartment
Bill
you left your peanut butter
in my side
of the kitchen
and we talked about that
you know
yeah and he's like
old people are hilarious
yeah
like De Niro Puccino
now
they had heat
yeah they had heat
Righteous kill, which is awful
We should really do an episode on Righteous Kill
Really should, yeah
That was them panicking going like Jesus
We're old, might not get good film
Like just try this
50 cents in it
So the kids will be
It'll be hip with the kids
Yeah
And now they got this
It's just
Again it's just so nice
To all these guys
Like Pesci and all them
They got to come out retirement
And they got one last good film
That's great fella
That they can all be proud of
And they get all the praise and stuff
And Pesie can go back
To make a rap albums in the 80s
Oh he's doing new album
I'm a wise guy
Do you ever hear that song?
No
Peshi, it's like a rap
MTV 80s rap song
The music video's hilarious
He's got like the hat
And sunbasses
Like
Yeah, I'm a wise guy
Waka,
Waka, what,
man
There was a time period
Where like everyone
Like Roddy Dangerfield
Did a rap
Yeah
Everyone's doing rap
Oh, look at moves back
They slap me bitch
Yeah, take a purse
Oh
Rodney doesn't rhyme
Oh
Oh
What's your problem
yeah like we were one step away from reagan just rapping oh ronnie rapping
rapping ronnie ragan yeah actually that was a rap in simpsons well well well well well
yeah so pesci'd rap pesci yeah it was just one but yeah he's made a lot of music apparently
he never wanted to be an actor he wanted to be a musician you wanted to be like a crooner like
sinatra all those all those fucking wops want to be like sinatra yeah that's true they do idolize them
yeah especially not not talking his music now
they just love the idea of him
banging the cup hole in Woody Allen
that's what they love yeah
they're like oh yeah I want to be like
Franks Natchin I want my son to go up
become a snitch
well let's actually just go back to the film
because you kind of
the bit where they talk about
Hoffa's rivalry with the Kennedys
how he hated them
and then there's a real allusion to the fact
that the mob killed Kennedy
because of the Bay of Pigs disaster
that they supplied the artillery for
they make no qualms about it
they say that's what happened
so that's an interesting theory
well the mob
because they kind of play
just the right level
don't actually go out
they don't actually have like
Kennedy getting shot
and it pulls out
and Frank's holding a gun
like
happy birthday
Mr President
yeah
like now you could interpret
that when Pesci says
if they can whack a president
they can whack a boss
now you can interpret that
as like um you know that's just him saying talking shit yeah yeah but i do think all the stuff
with like them supplying arms to the bay of pigs yeah and them having connections with uh jo kendy
senior yes uh that i think you'd have to be you have to be you have to be gay to not think
that's true darn toting brian i'm glad you finally said it because that's been on my mind the whole
episode yeah yeah if you don't believe the mafia gave guns to the bay of pigs and you have sex
with men.
That's right.
We said it.
Don't you have sex
of the men though, Brian?
I have never had sex
to the man just because I'm afraid,
probably.
I'd like it too much, I'm just like,
oh, Pesci wouldn't like this.
I'm gay, ha.
Yeah. Oh, it's just so fun
to see Pesci. Actually, at one point, they
say that JFK and
Sam Giacana had the same
girlfriend, and there's
a big theory going back
I had heard this long before I seen the film
that that girl in question was
Marilyn Monroe, that he was
she was banging both them
and like at the exact same time kind of
Oh, she was banging everything, though
She was getting past around
Yeah, so weird, it's like
It's like talking to Marilyn Monroe
It's like, yeah, I fucked
Mafia bosses,
baseball players, presidents
and then a playwright
Arthur Miller,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
It's like, hmm
Why the playwright?
I don't know
And there's a big famous picture of her reading Ulysses.
And you're like, oh, you weren't, you didn't understand Ulysses.
Well, I don't know.
She was, uh, she's very, she was very troubled individual.
Oh, that's well, I'm being a bit sexed there.
Abusive life.
I'm being a bit sex there going like, you couldn't have read Ulysses.
No, it's not even sexist.
You're a woman.
Well, it wasn't sexist until you said that.
No, sorry, you're gay, no, so.
You're a gay woman.
Oh, anyway, go, I'm having fun here.
Yeah.
We'll wrap us up in a minute.
Too much fun.
What are we like?
But yeah.
No, but that was a cool little moment like the San Giacano and JFK, both banging Marilyn Monroe.
The fact that they never say it, but they definitely allude to it by saying that they had the same girlfriend at the same time.
Well, I think Bobby was fucking her as well.
Yeah, I think Bobby was fucking, to be honest everybody.
She was very abused.
Like, she was a real victim of the casting.
Now who's slut shaming.
I'm not slut shaming.
She was abused.
She was, like, abused in childhood and stuff.
And, yeah, she had a very abusive upbringing.
You know what I'm thinking now?
If this was made by someone who wasn't Scorsese, some hack,
he would have done a real forest gumper.
He just says all the debts.
So he would have had Frank Sheer and go to Dallas.
Yeah.
And he would have Frank Sheer and go to a hotel and give Marlon Monroe some sleepy pills and stuff like that.
And then he's like, I got to go pay a visit to a certain.
I got to go see my doctor and it's doctor to Martin Lure King.
And he's like, you know what?
X marks a spot.
Hey, Daku, take two of these bullets and don't call me ever.
Bang, bang.
This is my dream.
Like, it would have been a real offensive, like,
movies like, oh, you know, all your favorite people who died.
It was Frank.
Oh, God, that's great.
But, yeah.
You got anything else to say on it then?
No, I just, I just wanted, I just so happy I got to talk to someone about this.
I just got a gush for a while, because no one else wants, people are,
sick of me bringing it up.
Yeah.
And I've been kind of obsessed with it.
But like, it's a great fellow by Martin Scraissi.
Why wouldn't you go see it in the cinema?
And they won't.
They won't go see in cinema.
Apparently if this got released in traditional cinemas, it would have bombed.
Really?
Yeah.
Well, see, they are only saying that if it had, because the Netflix option is there.
So obviously people are just waiting for it to come on Netflix for convenience.
But if that wasn't an option, I think it would have been financially successful.
Well, because of the massive budget, which bloomed a lot.
It was going to be way lower.
I just don't know.
Like, we'll never know for sure.
No, we can, it's all speculation.
They were saying even just like factoring all the fact that the people will be waiting from Netflix.
Yeah.
The opening like weekend box office was still very bad.
Okay, right, right, right.
Yeah, real bad.
And you're just thinking like, poor old Scorsese.
Yeah, well, maybe people like just don't have the attention span or the patience for three and a half hours in a cinema.
Like, that's the main thing I've said.
is like, oh, I'm going to see the Irish man.
And we're like, oh, yeah, I think I'll wait to Netflix.
It's just real long to be sitting in one place.
We're like, really, that's where we're at
of society now where it's, a film is too much of an undertaking.
I'll tell you what, another thing.
When was the last time you sat down and watched something for three and a half hours?
Um, probably never.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
I've tried to watch, um, I don't, I love, uh, once upon a time in America by Sergio
Leone.
Never seen it.
oh you should watch it it's a great film sounds foreign okay well i only watch him but denaro's in it
denaro and pesci are in it actually okay i'll watch it it's a gangster film like yeah but uh it's like
this big epic saga of like jewish immigrants come to america and then becoming gangsters
become very powerful and stuff uh it's a great film but it's four hours long so i first watched
it when i was like 15 years old i didn't watch it in one sitting but
But it's a great film.
But you're watching it's 15, but you're probably like...
Yeah, I just wanted to see the gangster elements.
Like, I wasn't appreciating it for...
Well, no, I meant it more like...
You're not in the cinema or like you have nowhere.
You can't look at your phone.
You can't look at anything.
You have to stare at the screen.
Well, when I was 15, I wouldn't look at my phone because no one would call or text.
No emojis for me, Brian.
We just had carrier pigeons back when I was 15.
I wish I was a Jewish immigrant.
well you got the same dick as one you motherfucker you thanks mom
mom joking about me being circumcised because I'm not
she always likes to make fun of me for that yeah I think that's
we went to circumcise you but we couldn't find it your little fruit cake
you put your freezing and go whack that's a Rickles joke yeah oh nice that's what
Norton said in it apparently that wasn't Rickles joke that was a Norton joke oh really
yeah he said he had they gave him some jokes
jokes and he was like yeah
I'll take this but like let's just do it a few
times okay yeah and just met actually
legit like mess around top of the audience yeah let him
riff and stuff yeah yeah yeah
Norton when he gets in a good flow
and he's comfortable he can be very good
imagine it would be such anachronistic thing
but it's like they're all these Italian guys are all sitting there
these mafia dons yeah and Rickles on stage
going like I love to fuck transgender
ah
if a chick's got a dick I'm happy
if a chick's got a dick then she's got the rickles yeah doesn't really work
and then like all the mobsers was like yeah he's right oh oh finally he's saying what we're all thinking
i'm going to give a go hey and great thing is if you don't like it you can beat them up afterwards
and it's not wrong uh yes it is it's very wrong yes yeah you're a bad person for even thinking
that yeah mr mobster yeah not me i'm not responsible it's the mobster it was the
I tell you the mob.
God, and the US government
just scapegoating the mobsters.
Hey, it was these crazy
Wops.
They're all up to badness.
Oh, these guineas.
The Guinea is a phrase
for Italians, isn't it?
Yeah, Guinea is Italian-American?
See, again, WAP can be attributed
to any illegal immigrant
but for whatever reason
it's synonymous with Italians.
I can call any immigrant a WAP.
Yeah, and I will.
Just go into
a public place with a
megaphone.
Whop.
bwap
Thank you
That's my social experiment
Yeah
Anyway look
We'll end the podcast there
We'll wrap it up
We're gone over an hour
Okay
I will say Scorsese's new film
He's doing location scouting right now
It's called Flowers of a Killer Moon
And it's about the first serial killer case
And the birth of the FBI
It's kind of what mine hunter is about though, isn't it?
No, this is like
Oh maybe no no
No, no
Siri killer is the wrong word
It's like the first kind of like
It's a one murder
I think actually
Okay
Yeah it's a one murder
The first ever murder
Yeah that's what it is
It's called Cain and Abel
Wait no let me just
Yeah I got it wrong there
You did
Yeah
Yeah
Where is your precious notebook
To help you there
Yeah I was really
There I go projecting again
I was really writing high there
I was saying WAP
I was loving life
Well, I know a look
The synops in a minute
It's got it's gonna have DiCaprio in it
That's confirmed
And they're trying to get De Niro in it again
Okay
Playing like a father figure
Right, right, okay
Playing Decaprio's father
Maybe not like an actual biological fatter figure
That has happened before though
In this boy's life
Leonardo DiCaprio
He's like a teenager in it
His mom marries Robert De Niro
Who becomes an abusive
of stepfather.
That sounds fun.
It's not.
No, it's very depressing.
Is it good?
It's all right.
There's good scenes in it.
The acting's very good
and you can even appreciate
young DiCaprio.
You know, he just,
he was really good
even when he was very young.
Well, this sounds interesting now.
It's actually, I got completely wrong.
You did?
Yeah, yeah.
The book, this is a flowers,
kill, oh, sorry, killers.
Whoa, I got really wrong here.
Killers of the Flower Moon
is going to be Scorsese's next movie.
You.
dyslexic piece of shit.
You have ruined this podcast for the last time.
We're going to delete the whole episode now.
And you will be vigorously beaten.
The book investigates a series of murders
of the wealthy Ogasque people
that took place in Oklahoma
in the early 1920s.
Now the Oskag people were a native tribe.
Okay.
Yeah, so it's over oil, basically.
Oh.
So they killed the natives to get the oil.
Right, right.
And originally it told us about 20 people died,
but the guy investigating thinks that
it might have been over 100
Oh wow
But again like because probably back then
The early FBI were like
How many natives died?
100?
I just stick down 20
I don't do the paperwork
I'm not writing a third digit
Yeah yeah
Scorsese is attached
To direct DiCaprio
And then Robert Deer was rumoured
For a role in the film
That sounds good now
Yeah I'm intrigued
Yeah so I can't wait to see that
Yeah yeah
Just the man killing
natives. Hey
how are you? Hey, how are you?
What a great way.
I was me quoting
the monster. The movie three.
Leslie Nielsen and it can't be
racist if it's from Leslie Nielsen.
He was an airplane for God's sake.
And airplane too, but the less
said about that, the better.
We should do an episode about that as well.
But, um, okay, yeah, let's end it
there. All right, that was fun.
That was a great little discussion about the Irishman
Go see the Irishman
Please go see
And the cinemas would be best
But if you do
I see on Netflix
Don't look at your phone
Yeah you pieces of shit
Let's sit back
You subhuman piece of filth
Scorsese is a blind old man
And he made a film somehow
Yeah
And the least you could do is like
Just pay the attention
Don't just stare at it
And just be like
What's this shit
Weird Power Rangers
Power Rangers.
Why aren't they playing
Focke, I know, Blink 1A, 2.
Oh, my, small things.
Yeah, all right.
Because that's what kids like.
That's what kids like in 1997.
All right.
Anyway, see you later, go on.
Goodbye.