Brian and James Fuck Each Other - Episode 47 : The Irishman
Episode Date: November 13, 2019Brian and James saw the new Martin Scorsese picture, The Irishman. Lots of Spoilers....
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                                        Well, we're talking about the Irish fan.
                                         
                                        Yeah, we tell the Irish man.
                                         
                                        And this episode is going to be all about the Irish fans.
                                         
                                        If you haven't seen it, stop listening, go watch it and come back.
                                         
                                        Yeah, well, actually, you might do, like, the first few minutes non-spoilers.
                                         
                                        But I tell you, just straight off the bat, because we were talking about it there.
                                         
                                        It's, like, a movie that spans several decades, you know, like from the 50s onwards, and it's like gangsters and stuff.
                                         
                                        I was surprised by how few, almost no racial epitaphs.
                                         
    
                                        It was not a single N-word.
                                         
                                        Yeah, not a single end.
                                         
                                        I mean, I was disgusted beyond belief.
                                         
                                        There's a few fun ones, like, you know, WAP and stuff like that.
                                         
                                        Wap, yeah.
                                         
                                        Which you can say, like, without any fear.
                                         
                                        It's like, WAP is attributed to Italian Americans,
                                         
                                        but you know what WAPS stands for?
                                         
    
                                        It just means without papers.
                                         
                                        Yeah, I knew something.
                                         
                                        So it could be any, you could assign that to any illegal immigrant.
                                         
                                        Acronymbs can't be racist.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Without papers.
                                         
                                        Wop.
                                         
                                        There you go, it's in.
                                         
    
                                        So out there somewhere, someone's going to go, like, okay, what could the N-word stand?
                                         
                                        never interpret general
                                         
                                        ah i had a woman
                                         
                                        come on help me out here
                                         
                                        this is why you can't do it like
                                         
                                        this is why we'll never be racist
                                         
                                        we're not smart enough for that
                                         
                                        but yeah we saw the Irish man
                                         
    
                                        the new Martin Scorsese picture
                                         
                                        and I haven't been able to talk about anyone
                                         
                                        I saw it like
                                         
                                        I think like five days ago
                                         
                                        and I haven't been able to talk to anyone about it
                                         
                                        because nobody you know has seen it
                                         
                                        no one I know
                                         
                                        we'll see it or wants to see it like
                                         
    
                                        how with the group that I hang out
                                         
                                        Hey, I'm waiting, Dundalk, like,
                                         
                                        like, I tried to bring it up first in class,
                                         
                                        and they were like, oh, why would you go see that, you know?
                                         
                                        I was trying to explain it to him, like,
                                         
                                        it's all about Jimmy Hoffa, and they were like...
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Well, he would say that in the films and kids nowadays,
                                         
    
                                        don't know who Jimmy Hoffa is,
                                         
                                        but back in the day, he was as big as the Beatles.
                                         
                                        Yeah, they probably don't know the Beatles are, right?
                                         
                                        I just, my class are different.
                                         
                                        Like, I was trying to explain to them.
                                         
                                        They're normies, like, you know, like...
                                         
                                        Yeah, they're not freaks.
                                         
                                        I was trying to explain to him, like,
                                         
    
                                        it's good, like, it's three and a half hours
                                         
                                        and they were like, oh, what?
                                         
                                        Oh, you can watch like
                                         
                                        four episodes of Gogglebox.
                                         
                                        And I didn't even bring it up
                                         
                                        in, like, work, because
                                         
                                        I probably just, I don't, beat me up.
                                         
                                        Mr. Coulchard went to see a film,
                                         
    
                                        did they? Hank says the big man,
                                         
                                        now, yeah. Martin Scorsese, is it?
                                         
                                        Yeah, they act like I went to go to the opera
                                         
                                        or something like that. Like, ooh.
                                         
                                        Mr. Fancy
                                         
                                        knows how a cinema works
                                         
                                        It's like
                                         
                                        Telly, but bigger
                                         
    
                                        And I don't like it
                                         
                                        Alright, because I've got to sit next to people
                                         
                                        I don't like sitting next to
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        I need people to talk about
                                         
                                        I miss the day
                                         
                                        I used to be in like a more artistic course
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
    
                                        So like you talk to people about this stuff
                                         
                                        And my course
                                         
                                        Like I even tried to
                                         
                                        Like Rick and Morty came back as well
                                         
                                        Yes, that's right
                                         
                                        And I tried to bring that up
                                         
                                        And you're like
                                         
                                        Rick and Mori
                                         
    
                                        There's no story to that
                                         
                                        that's what they said
                                         
                                        who said that
                                         
                                        I want to name names
                                         
                                        no I want names
                                         
                                        addresses and blood type
                                         
                                        right now
                                         
                                        uh Jesus
                                         
    
                                        how do you not like Rick and Morning
                                         
                                        I don't know like saying I don't like it
                                         
                                        is one thing but saying there's no story
                                         
                                        yeah it's weird because like
                                         
                                        there's a lot
                                         
                                        there's a lot that it's a very clear
                                         
                                        story I'm such a like
                                         
                                        I'm so old and I was like no no there is
                                         
    
                                        it's like to have like an A plot and a B plot
                                         
                                        much like all the episodes of Seinfeld
                                         
                                        yes it's kind of what is that
                                         
                                        it's the circle
                                         
                                        it's a very specific
                                         
                                        dynamic that he incorporates
                                         
                                        into his writing, Dan
                                         
                                        Harmon. I can't remember it's like
                                         
    
                                        there's a method that he calls it, but essentially
                                         
                                        yeah, both plots, like the A
                                         
                                        plot and the B plot, but then they
                                         
                                        intertwine or whatever. Yeah, it's kind
                                         
                                        like the hero's journey or something like that.
                                         
                                        Yeah, Joseph Campbell's stuff.
                                         
                                        Yeah, so a thing that will
                                         
                                        help you create a satisfying story
                                         
    
                                        or like will help you just make sure that
                                         
                                        it is satisfying to the audience. The fact,
                                         
                                        I don't even get that criticism.
                                         
                                        there is no story.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        But every movie is a story for the most part.
                                         
                                        It's not like I was like the new David Lynch film.
                                         
                                        There was no story.
                                         
    
                                        And then I'd be like, okay, I suppose like you're kind of right there.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah, okay.
                                         
                                        This is fairly conventional.
                                         
                                        It's an adult swim sitcom.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        It's not like, like, off the wall.
                                         
                                        And they were just like, that's just dumb.
                                         
                                        And then like, what am we going to say?
                                         
    
                                        Like, just spit on her.
                                         
                                        So yeah, look, enough by so you're finally here now.
                                         
                                        We can talk about the Irishman.
                                         
                                        The Irishman, yes.
                                         
                                        we won't spoil that straight away
                                         
                                        we should just
                                         
                                        maybe what can you spoil really
                                         
                                        it's Gorsesey gangsters
                                         
    
                                        people die
                                         
                                        Jimmy Hoffa disappears
                                         
                                        yeah well if you didn't know that
                                         
                                        go fuck yourself well
                                         
                                        the whole point of it is you should know that
                                         
                                        so spoilers from death
                                         
                                        well before we go into the film
                                         
                                        I don't know it's interesting though
                                         
    
                                        Jimmy Hoffa like I knew who Jimmy Hoffa
                                         
                                        was long before this film
                                         
                                        but I think I learned
                                         
                                        I first heard about him from Simpsons
                                         
                                        they used to make jokes about Jimmy
                                         
                                        Hoffa like
                                         
                                        Jimmy Hoffa I wonder where he
                                         
                                        disappear to and then they're just like
                                         
    
                                        quick cut scene to like a shallow grave
                                         
                                        on a football pitch. Like
                                         
                                        Jimmy Hoffa was like Madeline McCann
                                         
                                        like, no, do you know it was like that was the easy joke
                                         
                                        to go to like if someone disappears
                                         
                                        like yeah you're a regular Jimmy Madden McCann
                                         
                                        Hoffa, you know
                                         
                                        Hoffa McCann
                                         
    
                                        yeah Madeline McCann also did a lot work for unions
                                         
                                        I wonder if the Podesta brothers were behind
                                         
                                        Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance also
                                         
                                        oh I love like when he's
                                         
                                        first years get mixed up
                                         
                                        where it's like
                                         
                                        The pedestrian brothers
                                         
                                        are pedophiles
                                         
    
                                        They kidnapped and molested
                                         
                                        Jimmy Hoffa
                                         
                                        Or they're like
                                         
                                        No Hoffa was cheating
                                         
                                        on Prince Charles
                                         
                                        When Muslim
                                         
                                        So Prince Philip
                                         
                                        And the Buffalo
                                         
    
                                        And the Buffaloino
                                         
                                        Crime family
                                         
                                        Had him what
                                         
                                        Okay so
                                         
                                        It's about Jimmy Hoffa
                                         
                                        Who was a teamster
                                         
                                        Yeah he ran the unions
                                         
                                        He was like
                                         
    
                                        President of the unions
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        Specifically truck driver
                                         
                                        was truckers were the big thing and other unions got incorporated in it but it was the truck drivers
                                         
                                        where especially back then truckers like if you didn't have truckers he'd have not in like yeah he
                                         
                                        used that if something's delivered to your house a truck brought it to you yeah we need trucks
                                         
                                        no i knew very little about hoffa but after seeing this film i've watched hoffa the jack nicholson
                                         
                                        film directed by danny devedo yeah i've not seen it don't i won't it's really not good it's not great
                                         
    
                                        it's really i was surprised by how like it feels like a tuesday
                                         
                                        TV movie.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        It's not well made.
                                         
                                        Like, I need to go, I forget, like,
                                         
                                        have you watched any other DeVito's films they directed?
                                         
                                        Like, Matilda, but I haven't watched that a long time.
                                         
                                        I tell you, Def De Smoochie, have ever seen that?
                                         
    
                                        That's great because it's about,
                                         
                                        um, uh, so Edward Norton and Robin Williams play rival,
                                         
                                        uh, they're like, you know, like mascots.
                                         
                                        They dress up in a costume, kind of like a Barney, the dinosaur type figure.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        So they're rivals and it's actually, it's one of,
                                         
                                        Robin Williams is
                                         
                                        really great, overlooked.
                                         
    
                                        He's so funny and he's so good.
                                         
                                        He's just classic Robin Williams
                                         
                                        where he's just like stream of consciousness
                                         
                                        just riffing so hard
                                         
                                        the whole time and it's just so much fun
                                         
                                        to watch. But yeah, it's a lot
                                         
                                        of fun. He directed that. He also
                                         
                                        did he direct Duplex with
                                         
    
                                        Ben Stiller and Patricia Arquette
                                         
                                        where they move into this apartment?
                                         
                                        I haven't seen that either. And their old lady
                                         
                                        landlord starts pissing them off so they
                                         
                                        think they'd plot to kill her. I haven't
                                         
                                        seen it, I just heard about it. He's directed a few
                                         
                                        kind of like dark comedies. Did he do
                                         
                                        throw Mama from the train as well?
                                         
    
                                        God, I really know too much.
                                         
                                        Wow, yeah. Yeah.
                                         
                                        You really like,
                                         
                                        I've actually published a book about it.
                                         
                                        I have written my entire
                                         
                                        thesis, Danny DeVito.
                                         
                                        No, just the films of DeVito.
                                         
                                        Not his acting career. He's acting
                                         
    
                                        shit, okay, taxi, go fuck yourself.
                                         
                                        But the directing.
                                         
                                        Well, Junior, that was
                                         
                                        it's like French
                                         
                                        New Wave, like he was really saying something.
                                         
                                        well i need to look up the timeline of de v o's films but this from a technical point of view was not good
                                         
                                        well that was like i'm pretty sure hafa was early 90s yeah yeah so even just simple things like
                                         
                                        transitions and um just the music the music felt like you're watching a batman film as
                                         
    
                                        sometimes.
                                         
                                        It's really over-traumatic.
                                         
                                        As soon as Hoffa appears on screen.
                                         
                                        Who's the villain in Hoffa?
                                         
                                        Capitalism.
                                         
                                        A bunch of, like, Republicans.
                                         
                                        Oh, we have to stop the unions, boys.
                                         
                                        No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
                                         
    
                                        Don't be afraid to use your claws.
                                         
                                        Don't be afraid to use bureaucracy.
                                         
                                        Like, there's a bit in the film where, like,
                                         
                                        like, he's being taken away to prison.
                                         
                                        Spoiler alert again, like he gets arrested.
                                         
                                        He gets arrested, yeah.
                                         
                                        And they have him looking at his grand door through the window,
                                         
                                        and his grand door looks sad,
                                         
    
                                        and he looks sad,
                                         
                                        and they're playing the sad music
                                         
                                        in case we're too dumb to understand that he's sad.
                                         
                                        And it goes on way too long,
                                         
                                        and like, this is not well done.
                                         
                                        Like, there's no subtlety here whatsoever.
                                         
                                        Well, it was the early 90s.
                                         
                                        I mean, we were still,
                                         
    
                                        subtlety wasn't really,
                                         
                                        things were still kind of overdone, dramatic,
                                         
                                        kind of, like, when you go back and watch a movie
                                         
                                        from the 70s,
                                         
                                        everything is just a little more heightened,
                                         
                                        the performances,
                                         
                                        the Misson Saint, if you will.
                                         
                                        You know, everything's just...
                                         
    
                                        Someone graduated.
                                         
                                        Just barely, baby.
                                         
                                        Just barely.
                                         
                                        Fucking Van Wilder style.
                                         
                                        I was here till I was 43.
                                         
                                        You also had an Indian friend.
                                         
                                        But you bullied.
                                         
                                        I wouldn't call him a friend.
                                         
    
                                        More like a guy who did stuff for me.
                                         
                                        For fear of reprisal.
                                         
                                        I won't do with a voice,
                                         
                                        although I am very ten.
                                         
                                        but I won't. That shows
                                         
                                        growth. This is why you nearly didn't graduate.
                                         
                                        It's still a sudden
                                         
                                        you just work on your Indian voice.
                                         
    
                                        Just in the mirror.
                                         
                                        Every presentation I
                                         
                                        gave is like James, we've talked about
                                         
                                        this.
                                         
                                        No, it'll work.
                                         
                                        I'll win him back over.
                                         
                                        But look, before we go to
                                         
                                        Fartha, Nickle, I will say
                                         
    
                                        half a film, Nicholson is good,
                                         
                                        but it feels like he's acting against
                                         
                                        the current. Okay. What do you mean by then? In that
                                         
                                        he's so good and such a bad film.
                                         
                                        It's like the film is working against. It's like if you take that music out and you don't
                                         
                                        have the weird scenes and everything, he's, it's great. So would you
                                         
                                        say his performance is worth watching the movie for? No. I would say
                                         
                                        if you want to watch Hoffa by Danny DeVito, watch the last 10 minutes
                                         
    
                                        to see what their version of what happens is. That's the only interesting part.
                                         
                                        okay what do they say it happened can i spoil it yeah it gives a shit okay so i did i actually like
                                         
                                        this big here now okay well it's not worth the two and a half hours wherever it is the film is it's a long film
                                         
                                        yeah yeah yeah it feels long and also don't really explain who the fuck hoffa isn't it yeah well i suppose
                                         
                                        early 90s he was still very much in the cultural side guys everybody knew who he was like you're right
                                         
                                        yeah yeah yeah like the film opens of him going like who are you and he's like jimmy hoffa
                                         
                                        and I think the only
                                         
                                        we're supposed to be like
                                         
    
                                        ooh
                                         
                                        oh my
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        so I actually learned more
                                         
                                        about Hoffa
                                         
                                        from watching an Irish man
                                         
                                        about Hoffa
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
    
                                        but anyway so like
                                         
                                        the film
                                         
                                        it's like
                                         
                                        Danny the Vito's in it
                                         
                                        and he plays
                                         
                                        Hoffa's friend
                                         
                                        okay
                                         
                                        and you know how it is
                                         
    
                                        they're waiting
                                         
                                        at the restaurant
                                         
                                        for a meeting
                                         
                                        okay
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        and so it's all done
                                         
                                        on flashback
                                         
                                        so they're waiting
                                         
    
                                        the car
                                         
                                        they flashback to something
                                         
                                        they're like hey
                                         
                                        Jimmy remember we did that
                                         
                                        and he's like
                                         
                                        yeah and then the flashback and they keep doing that okay uh very forced narrative choice to have it
                                         
                                        like that so anyway the veal was like i want to get out some coffee and he goes and he meets a young
                                         
                                        trucker okay and the young trucker's like hey asshole i was here first and he's like do you know who
                                         
    
                                        i am he shows him his teamster card yeah he's like oh wow do you know jimmy hoffa he's like
                                         
                                        i recognize you from the news you know jimmy hawfah don't you and he's like yeah i do and he's
                                         
                                        like wowzers mister can i meet him he's like hey guess what bring him this coffee you know
                                         
                                        and the guy's like oh wow mr oh gee i can't wait so he walks over and dain de v o is watching him
                                         
                                        walk over the car being all like proud yeah that kid's gonna have a story to tell you know okay
                                         
                                        so the kid sees hoffa pulls out a gun shoots him oh yeah which would be surprised he didn't know
                                         
                                        the fact that like barra bing it wouldn't but the thing is like you're like there's only like five
                                         
                                        minutes left so
                                         
    
                                        something's bad
                                         
                                        going to happen
                                         
                                        that's very on the nose
                                         
                                        some kid
                                         
                                        just shot him
                                         
                                        in public
                                         
                                        yeah and also
                                         
                                        I thought he disappeared
                                         
    
                                        well that's the thing
                                         
                                        so he shoots him
                                         
                                        in public outside
                                         
                                        a restaurant
                                         
                                        and then shoots
                                         
                                        down to Vito as well
                                         
                                        out in public again
                                         
                                        and then
                                         
    
                                        what they say happens
                                         
                                        which I don't think is
                                         
                                        accurate
                                         
                                        I need to do more research
                                         
                                        on it is that
                                         
                                        a truck drives by
                                         
                                        real quick
                                         
                                        and they put the car
                                         
    
                                        into the truck
                                         
                                        and then the two dead bodies
                                         
                                        and drive off
                                         
                                        into the sunset
                                         
                                        but I think in real life
                                         
                                        happy ending
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        I think in real life
                                         
    
                                        I'm like again
                                         
                                        a weird music choice
                                         
                                        Yeah, it's okay about smoking here
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah, go for it like
                                         
                                        But again, like, I might open the windows any bit
                                         
                                        Sorry, I should have asked
                                         
                                        Will you let me smoke at here before
                                         
                                        So you set the precedent
                                         
    
                                        Oh yeah, it's my, it's a victim's fault
                                         
                                        Yes, always, always
                                         
                                        Yeah, but I think in real life
                                         
                                        They found the car
                                         
                                        Okay, they found the car
                                         
                                        but they didn't find the bodies.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        Right, okay.
                                         
    
                                        And also, there was no Danny DeVito in real life.
                                         
                                        Danny DeVito was not there.
                                         
                                        Yeah, that's why my big problem is like, actually.
                                         
                                        I think you'll find.
                                         
                                        Dain DeVito was an actor, not a trade union activist.
                                         
                                        Fail.
                                         
                                        So I watched that just to get a better understanding who Hoffa was.
                                         
                                        But I don't, just watch the Irishman.
                                         
    
                                        And, um...
                                         
                                        Well, they really do detail of the Irish band that he was, like,
                                         
                                        like, you know, iconic.
                                         
                                        He was huge. Everyone in the country,
                                         
                                        everyone in America knew who Jimmy Hoffa
                                         
                                        was. Before we go into the film,
                                         
                                        a self show, to talk about the production of it.
                                         
                                        Okay. It had a very troubled production.
                                         
    
                                        It labored in development hell.
                                         
                                        That's an old industry term.
                                         
                                        You plebs
                                         
                                        wouldn't know about it. My course wouldn't know what that is.
                                         
                                        What? You mean there was flames
                                         
                                        in the devil?
                                         
                                        What? Oh, here, what do you mean?
                                         
                                        They went to hell.
                                         
    
                                        Jesus, how'd you get out of that?
                                         
                                        with the big fire and the devil
                                         
                                        so yeah it was in
                                         
                                        development hell for a long long time
                                         
                                        just couldn't get funding for it
                                         
                                        yeah which is surprising because
                                         
                                        it's Martin Scorsese
                                         
                                        yeah and also Wolf of Wall Street was like
                                         
    
                                        Scorsese's biggest film financially financially
                                         
                                        yeah in terms of in the cinema
                                         
                                        had he been working on the Irish man
                                         
                                        before Wolf of Wall Street
                                         
                                        he'd been tinkering
                                         
                                        for a long time
                                         
                                        and he like you know
                                         
                                        him and Steve Zillion I think is the screenwriter
                                         
    
                                        I don't know exactly
                                         
                                        but they'd been working on it for a while and they were they were like oh we'll do this and then they couldn't get funding straight away so they'd silence you know the religious film he did about um terrible is it didn't say it but i've heard it's terrible uh it's like leam nison and um or andrew garfield yeah and there's one other adam driver yeah i like adam driver i'm not actually andrew garfield he was good in boy yeah but anyway never mind yeah um so that didn't do like that was a bit of a flop a little bit but it's a religious picture like what you expect you know what i
                                         
                                        Anytime Scorsese ventures outside his territory,
                                         
                                        you know, it never, it's very mixed results.
                                         
                                        Yeah, and he's done a good few things outside his territory.
                                         
                                        He did like that Daniel de Lewis period picture.
                                         
                                        What was that?
                                         
                                        It was like some like film set in like 18th century London.
                                         
    
                                        It's like a romantic film.
                                         
                                        It's like a G-rayed film.
                                         
                                        It's kind of like, uh, I don't know, whatever.
                                         
                                        It was like sense and sensibility.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        He's like trying to do with Bronte kind of style.
                                         
                                        Keep the Mrs. Happy.
                                         
                                        Yeah, but he still has Petchy and it going on.
                                         
    
                                        you motherfucking
                                         
                                        You're motherfucking
                                         
                                        This fucking Jew
                                         
                                        You're like
                                         
                                        Oh I do declare
                                         
                                        Mr. Darcy
                                         
                                        I've always relied
                                         
                                        On the kindness
                                         
    
                                        Of mobsters
                                         
                                        I'm really mixing up
                                         
                                        The Jean things now
                                         
                                        But anyway
                                         
                                        Go on
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        So it took him ages
                                         
                                        And then eventually
                                         
    
                                        Netflix stepped in
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        They're like
                                         
                                        We're going to do it
                                         
                                        And it's a big
                                         
                                        undertaking
                                         
                                        Because you have to
                                         
                                        Deage everyone
                                         
    
                                        And that's where
                                         
                                        The big
                                         
                                        I think that's where
                                         
                                        A lot of the money
                                         
                                        Went to
                                         
                                        Wasn't it?
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        The deaging, yeah
                                         
    
                                        Well
                                         
                                        also just in general like just the amount of locations just how long the film is like it's a huge
                                         
                                        production it would be incredibly expensive film without the cgia yeah but wit as well is
                                         
                                        is corsese's most expensive movie to me by a long shot like how did you find the de-aging
                                         
                                        i tell you i didn't notice it after like five seconds yeah it actually stopped being an issue you
                                         
                                        were just so invested in the story and there were some bits in it where i was honestly didn't know
                                         
                                        it's like have they just like darken his hair a bit it was like most of like two
                                         
                                        tweaked, like, especially, like, as we get closer to, um, like, the disappearance of Hoffa.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Where I didn't know, like, if they just tweaked the face a little bit, or just, like, that's just
                                         
                                        what they look like.
                                         
                                        It was very well done.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Personally, I can't wait until they start using the de-aging technology in porn.
                                         
                                        No more, no more saggy ball sacks or wrinkled cocks, you know?
                                         
                                        Oh, I thought you were going a different way with that.
                                         
    
                                        Oh, no, yeah.
                                         
                                        Subverted it.
                                         
                                        Ooh, take that.
                                         
                                        I thought you were going on the kind of, like, more Epsteiny kind of way of, like.
                                         
                                        Oh, God, no, no, no.
                                         
                                        All this barely legal stuff.
                                         
                                        Oh, like, you know, like Ron Jeremy and Jenna Jameson, all those big 90s porn stars, you know, they're not looking great now.
                                         
                                        Oh, yeah.
                                         
    
                                        So they could come back, you know.
                                         
                                        Well, all those porn stars who OD'd back in the day, like you can bring them back.
                                         
                                        Yeah, like James Dean.
                                         
                                        They're bringing him back.
                                         
                                        Oh, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        Actually, another sidetrack for a second.
                                         
                                        Like, they're bringing him back, all right?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        And that's done.
                                         
                                        Okay, but have you heard the plot to the film?
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
                                        finding Jack
                                         
                                        it's about a soldier who finds a
                                         
                                        Labrador during the Vietnam War
                                         
                                        and then the Labrador is to find his way
                                         
                                        home
                                         
    
                                        and James Steen's going to be there
                                         
                                        yeah James Dean's like
                                         
                                        where's my dog
                                         
                                        where's my, oh I'm so
                                         
                                        as he's like gunning down a village full of civilians
                                         
                                        that he gets molested
                                         
                                        by Marlon Brando
                                         
                                        it's like homeward bound
                                         
    
                                        where it's like this dog
                                         
                                        and like probably like he finds a snake
                                         
                                        Yeah, and they become friends
                                         
                                        A frog as well
                                         
                                        Like in the
                                         
                                        Like you know
                                         
                                        And they're like going around
                                         
                                        And like they
                                         
    
                                        They find like just a dead Cambodian hooker
                                         
                                        And they cut her ear off
                                         
                                        And wear around their neck
                                         
                                        Because like a prize
                                         
                                        Okay
                                         
                                        That really happened
                                         
                                        Did it?
                                         
                                        Yeah in the Vietnam Wardies
                                         
    
                                        They cut off their ears
                                         
                                        And wear them like his necklaces
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        Oh okay
                                         
                                        Just
                                         
                                        These millennials wouldn't know
                                         
                                        With that
                                         
    
                                        These snowflakes
                                         
                                        is that offensive is it oh so anyway let's go back yeah I mean back to Irishman we keep getting
                                         
                                        side check but let's just jump straight into it like spiders from now on like yes what was your
                                         
                                        overall opinion of it I thought it was great and um I was really enjoying it like it's very
                                         
                                        Scorsese but it felt a little bit more kind of mature it wasn't quite as sensationalist as like
                                         
                                        you know good fellas or even casino but then it really you can tell
                                         
                                        that Scorsese is very concerned about getting older now
                                         
                                        because the bit towards the end where he's really old,
                                         
    
                                        it gets kind of depressing, actually.
                                         
                                        I left the cinema thinking,
                                         
                                        oh God, we're all going to get old and die.
                                         
                                        And it really drove that point home.
                                         
                                        The ending of it, the last half hour,
                                         
                                        Scorsese just reveling and like how depressing can I make this?
                                         
                                        How much, like, how many shots of like old De Niro
                                         
                                        trying to paste them and volume over it?
                                         
    
                                        I'm breaking his hip and crying.
                                         
                                        Can I have?
                                         
                                        How many scenes is like,
                                         
                                        he's on a mobility scooter
                                         
                                        and it breaks down?
                                         
                                        And then he's a bird shit.
                                         
                                        He's still a gangster.
                                         
                                        He's doing drive-bys
                                         
    
                                        in his mobility scooter.
                                         
                                        Wu-Tang!
                                         
                                        And then buying a coffin as well.
                                         
                                        It's like, just so depressing.
                                         
                                        Yeah, and Action Bronson is the salesman.
                                         
                                        He's like,
                                         
                                        Hey, you want some coffins, motherfucker?
                                         
                                        He should start rapping.
                                         
    
                                        I'm going to cook you something delicious.
                                         
                                        And then rip a bong.
                                         
                                        He starts rapping.
                                         
                                        No, I say, he's like, you can't walk, take this.
                                         
                                        Takes a hit of a bong and then it starts getting up and starts dancing.
                                         
                                        Break dancing.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        Go, Ninja, go, ninja, go.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, it's very different from Goodfellas and Casino.
                                         
                                        It was like, you're reveling and how fun it was.
                                         
                                        Yeah, it wasn't as fun.
                                         
                                        It was more serious.
                                         
                                        It would always be like, it was fun, fun, fun.
                                         
                                        And then they would have the term where it was like, oh, my God, crime does pay, you know?
                                         
                                        And then, you know, Henry Hill would realize it, but he was too,
                                         
                                        and even then, you know, they'd play like the
                                         
    
                                        Oh, did it my way
                                         
                                        at the end, you know. But this
                                         
                                        is more like, like they keep
                                         
                                        showing how people died as well.
                                         
                                        Yeah. It's appear on screen. So like...
                                         
                                        Every time a new character appeared on screen
                                         
                                        that's based on a real life gangster, it'll just show
                                         
                                        their name, what year they died
                                         
    
                                        and how they died. And it was usually
                                         
                                        eight shots to the face in front
                                         
                                        of their crying children. Yeah, it was all
                                         
                                        just like execution style like, in
                                         
                                        the face. In the face. And it's always
                                         
                                        like eight, six shots,
                                         
                                        eight shots these guys didn't play around yeah it was like this was like a rev this was like
                                         
                                        send the message yeah yeah giving him an old lead salad yeah um yeah um it's very different
                                         
    
                                        tone like even the way they handled debt like like the debt of hoffa was just kind
                                         
                                        sad and well quick the major spoiler of that and i was not expecting that is when they show him
                                         
                                        dying. Yeah.
                                         
                                        Yeah. Essentially, they allude to the fact that he was murdered by Frank Sheeran.
                                         
                                        Yes, because apparently Frank Sheeran, who, that's De Niro's character on his deathbed,
                                         
                                        said, I murdered Jimmy Hoffa, allegedly.
                                         
                                        He murdered, yeah, according to him now, no, a lot of historians have, like, gone against
                                         
                                        this, but the historical actually doesn't really matter.
                                         
    
                                        No, it's a movie, like, it's a movie.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah. And it's just, Shearron, almost like, Forrest Gump in a way, like.
                                         
                                        Yeah, he's kind of like this well-natured.
                                         
                                        Simbledon who's very good at murdering
                                         
                                        people. Yes. Now
                                         
                                        Forrest Gump could be very different if
                                         
                                        he met a different type of person.
                                         
                                        Life is like a box of chocolates.
                                         
    
                                        I'm going to fucking kill you, you
                                         
                                        bitch. What? I don't
                                         
                                        get that metaphor at all.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah. That woman on the bench
                                         
                                        she worked for the wrong family.
                                         
                                        Child, please.
                                         
                                        Ah, God damn it. I have not myself.
                                         
                                        It doesn't matter. It's the Irish
                                         
    
                                        man like. Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        What was it?
                                         
                                        going to say um so yeah like that as well with the debt of hofer which yeah it was just so quick
                                         
                                        and just sad yeah yeah point this in a way like yeah it was just like he he was just stepped on too
                                         
                                        many toes and it's like it's time for this guy to go but if you think about like i heard i've been
                                         
                                        listening to a lot of reviews on youtube about and reading a lot of reviews as well yeah and a lot of
                                         
                                        very dumb. Okay. Like really
                                         
                                        dumb. There's a lot of like movie
                                         
    
                                        review shows on YouTube. It's like, yo,
                                         
                                        we're the movie bros. Yeah.
                                         
                                        Yeah, it's like, yo, we love
                                         
                                        protein and film.
                                         
                                        I work out this hot
                                         
                                        body. And I go
                                         
                                        and study some film academia.
                                         
                                        It's a lot of very handsome people.
                                         
    
                                        And like it's like real handsome guys and muscles
                                         
                                        or girls with massive tits being like, I
                                         
                                        love, I've seen
                                         
                                        Pulp Fiction and a bit of
                                         
                                        a bit of Citizen Kane
                                         
                                        I heard another guy
                                         
                                        on YouTube
                                         
                                        I forget he thinking he's something like
                                         
    
                                        the cinema
                                         
                                        crazy cinema guy or something like that
                                         
                                        like they're all awful names
                                         
                                        he's like oh yeah
                                         
                                        cannot wait for this film
                                         
                                        The Irish Man
                                         
                                        it's got Al Pacino
                                         
                                        Robert De Niro
                                         
    
                                        Harvey Firesteen
                                         
                                        Oh my God
                                         
                                        Harvey Fireston
                                         
                                        Isn't he the
                                         
                                        The kind of the raspy voice
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        Yeah from Mrs. Dauphire
                                         
                                        Jimmy Arthur
                                         
    
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        That's not even a good
                                         
                                        Oppression
                                         
                                        But anyway
                                         
                                        So yeah
                                         
                                        The reviews
                                         
                                        Well here's one other critique
                                         
                                        That has annoyed me
                                         
    
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        The fact that they say
                                         
                                        That Anna Pacquin
                                         
                                        Who plays his daughter
                                         
                                        Has only got like
                                         
                                        Six to ten lines of dialogue
                                         
                                        It's so moronic
                                         
                                        But that's the whole point
                                         
    
                                        Of her character
                                         
                                        She's sort of this silent
                                         
                                        reserved
                                         
                                        judgmental figure
                                         
                                        who is disapproving
                                         
                                        of our father's life
                                         
                                        and because of his
                                         
                                        the way
                                         
    
                                        his mob connections
                                         
                                        she becomes emotionally
                                         
                                        distanced
                                         
                                        she emotionally
                                         
                                        distances herself
                                         
                                        from him
                                         
                                        intentionally
                                         
                                        so that's the whole
                                         
    
                                        point of the character
                                         
                                        is that he doesn't
                                         
                                        have a good relationship
                                         
                                        with his daughter
                                         
                                        because of his mob
                                         
                                        life and people are like
                                         
                                        oh she should be talking more
                                         
                                        she's silent
                                         
    
                                        that's the point
                                         
                                        yeah that is the literal
                                         
                                        point of the character
                                         
                                        people don't see
                                         
                                        understand like acting's more than just talking yeah yeah and that might be a crazy opinion maybe i
                                         
                                        should start teaching acting classes here like hey tell me your name shut up yeah that's acting baby
                                         
                                        tell me your name without talking they'd be like what i'm like yeah you fail now i'm going to
                                         
                                        abuse my power to have sex with you welcome to acting school um yeah it's like she's meant to be
                                         
    
                                        quiet and like people
                                         
                                        online have been given shit
                                         
                                        like there's a reason why Scorsese
                                         
                                        cast Anna Paquin that roles well you understand
                                         
                                        that right yeah yeah he cast a well-known
                                         
                                        and good actress for that role
                                         
                                        because he knew she could convey that
                                         
                                        and she gives a fucking great performance
                                         
    
                                        like she really is like it's very much
                                         
                                        anytime she appears on screen
                                         
                                        they have that straight relationship it's very like
                                         
                                        the ghost at the feast you're like
                                         
                                        oh god it's horrible to watch this
                                         
                                        and her character in general not even just
                                         
                                        Anna Pacquen herself but the little
                                         
                                        I was well playing, like, the way they played, like, she was afraid of, like, Pesci's character.
                                         
    
                                        Exactly, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        It was all great.
                                         
                                        It was fantastic, yeah.
                                         
                                        The kid was a really good actor as well.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah, she, she, a little too good.
                                         
                                        You're like, she looks a bit too scared.
                                         
                                        We're like, how, what did they do?
                                         
                                        What did Pesci do?
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, it's funny how?
                                         
                                        How am I funny?
                                         
                                        You fucking Jew.
                                         
                                        What?
                                         
                                        I didn't say anything.
                                         
                                        Yo, little mutt.
                                         
                                        It's like, you ever see a film where a baby's crying, you're like, oh, no, they probably.
                                         
                                        They probably.
                                         
    
                                        I didn't have a slap.
                                         
                                        No, not even a slat.
                                         
                                        he's flicked it or something like that or just like you know
                                         
                                        let a dog bite his toe or something
                                         
                                        something that wouldn't be too bad like
                                         
                                        yeah yeah yeah but she was good
                                         
                                        but guys I have recorded
                                         
                                        sounds of babies crying we don't know
                                         
    
                                        shut up hit that baby
                                         
                                        yeah I'm an art
                                         
                                        I'm an all tour people
                                         
                                        I think people went into that trying to find something
                                         
                                        that Anna Pacquitang was like the best they could
                                         
                                        find yeah yeah but like I know some people
                                         
                                        like go into this film almost like
                                         
                                        it's like Scorsese gangster
                                         
    
                                        they're filming about like guys.
                                         
                                        Yeah, so there's already this like,
                                         
                                        oh, it's just another hedonistic, you know.
                                         
                                        But it's not even, like the characters
                                         
                                        aren't even misogynist in it.
                                         
                                        No, there's really no gratuitous
                                         
                                        sex at all in it.
                                         
                                        No, it's not about that.
                                         
    
                                        It's not even much, any drug use.
                                         
                                        No, there's no drug use.
                                         
                                        And like the, like the, when the violence happens,
                                         
                                        it's very clinical, almost bureaucratic.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        It's like, okay, we don't like it,
                                         
                                        but this guy's got to go.
                                         
                                        So go do them.
                                         
    
                                        him gone bang bang you're dead move on it's not like there's really no sensationalist element to
                                         
                                        it if you know what i mean you're right actually i'm just thinking they're like all the murders
                                         
                                        most the murders are just like pop pop pop to the head yeah it's very just like pop pop has to be done
                                         
                                        okay we're done let's go just like maybe one guy gets strangled and that was like the whole point
                                         
                                        that was like Stephen graham's guys are doing that yeah yeah yeah so they were a bit like more
                                         
                                        bad ruthless and violent yeah yeah exactly for the most part yeah it's just pop pop pop
                                         
                                        very clinical yeah has to be done we don't like it but look it's the cost of business we've got to do it
                                         
                                        yeah you know what i mean they really like ran it like a corporation kind of thing like yeah it's
                                         
    
                                        so toned down like yeah there was no fun violence no there wasn't really that's what i mean
                                         
                                        it wouldn't work in it no it was very um yeah that's what's what's what i meant when i said
                                         
                                        it's a more like mature style of film making from scorsese it's you know what it is it's a film
                                         
                                        feature and everyone in it realizes they're going to be dead in next five years yeah like
                                         
                                        everyone is like struggling with that
                                         
                                        and this is them trying to come
                                         
                                        to terms of that artistically
                                         
                                        of like you know
                                         
    
                                        I'm sure a lot of those scenes at the end
                                         
                                        with De Niro like they weren't even scripted
                                         
                                        that's just his real life
                                         
                                        he just can't walk
                                         
                                        he's just in a wheelchair
                                         
                                        is my daughter coming
                                         
                                        no Robert you know why
                                         
                                        we're not going to say why
                                         
    
                                        but you know why
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        like yeah I just think
                                         
                                        the scene of him like falling over
                                         
                                        on the ground
                                         
                                        they just happened
                                         
                                        of a camera
                                         
                                        that was at the rap party
                                         
    
                                        somebody was just filming
                                         
                                        on their phone
                                         
                                        Marty was like brilliant
                                         
                                        what happened
                                         
                                        I couldn't see
                                         
                                        you know he's basically
                                         
                                        he's nearly blind now
                                         
                                        actually
                                         
    
                                        he's got a like
                                         
                                        glaucoma
                                         
                                        or maybe he was a few years ago
                                         
                                        and now he's better
                                         
                                        but it was actually
                                         
                                        I'll not say who
                                         
                                        but it was a lecture
                                         
                                        in DKIT who worked
                                         
    
                                        on one of his films
                                         
                                        whoa I wonder who that is
                                         
                                        well look
                                         
                                        the general public
                                         
                                        isn't gonna know
                                         
                                        I suppose yeah yeah
                                         
                                        I said public. I meant public and populists were both there.
                                         
                                        And I went, bleh.
                                         
    
                                        Didn't know what you meant?
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
                                        Well, you just smoked a big fatty.
                                         
                                        Oh, I smoked a little number.
                                         
                                        Cheeky little toke.
                                         
                                        So what?
                                         
                                        What are you?
                                         
                                        My mom?
                                         
    
                                        And I drank a Canada Dutch goal.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        We're both going crazy here.
                                         
                                        We're both party animals.
                                         
                                        It's like animal house.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        We're both balushi.
                                         
                                        But neither of us are funny.
                                         
    
                                        We're just sad.
                                         
                                        Neither of us can have a ladder.
                                         
                                        It's just me like boosting you up.
                                         
                                        Can you see that?
                                         
                                        ditties
                                         
                                        it's me and you
                                         
                                        trying to get hard
                                         
                                        but I can't
                                         
    
                                        it's like
                                         
                                        we went to see
                                         
                                        the Irish man
                                         
                                        together I got on
                                         
                                        your shoulders
                                         
                                        I made a big coat
                                         
                                        and the guy was like
                                         
                                        you know you're both over 20
                                         
    
                                        well hello
                                         
                                        my good man
                                         
                                        yes I would like
                                         
                                        a one ticket
                                         
                                        to the Irish man
                                         
                                        I hear there's boobs in it
                                         
                                        I'm gonna see
                                         
                                        some pus
                                         
    
                                        God we're really on a tangent
                                         
                                        now let's go back
                                         
                                        um so wait scorsese is very blind allegedly yeah he like just has real like he has to wear big glasses
                                         
                                        and he has to like sit like this to the monitor like you know he's yeah he's got like a lot of problems
                                         
                                        with his eyes man that's another thing like when people were giving shit about like the films too long
                                         
                                        yeah one deep scorsese knows it's going to be on Netflix it's going to see more Netflix than cinema
                                         
                                        absolutely yeah so people will take you know breaks very limited release in cinema as well like two weeks
                                         
                                        like i went to see it uh last night cinema was practically empty same with me like
                                         
    
                                        nobody's going to see it in the cinema
                                         
                                        it's all Netflix there was like six people
                                         
                                        in it there was like
                                         
                                        a couple and already are like
                                         
                                        oh someone made a bad choice here
                                         
                                        and date wise like
                                         
                                        I could tell just by looking
                                         
                                        at her she was not interested
                                         
    
                                        oh really she was I just I made me
                                         
                                        it because that you were staring at her
                                         
                                        not the film that maybe she was uncomfortable
                                         
                                        yeah I knew she was uncomfortable
                                         
                                        why aren't you liking this you daff bird
                                         
                                        you don't know Jimmy Hoffa dea you fucking
                                         
                                        no I just like the way
                                         
                                        way like he was he just seemed more
                                         
    
                                        excited than her and she was on her phone
                                         
                                        and I was like oh okay and then there was two young
                                         
                                        lads in the back who I think still had their school uniforms
                                         
                                        on which makes you think like maybe they're
                                         
                                        a mitching like yeah let's skip
                                         
                                        was this during the day that you went to see it
                                         
                                        no no that's the thing like they must just
                                         
                                        like didn't bother to change
                                         
    
                                        okay right maybe just maybe there's two guys
                                         
                                        who like dress up like school kids
                                         
                                        I don't know hey you know to each their own
                                         
                                        it's 2019 you know it's 2019
                                         
                                        welcome to undah
                                         
                                        and then there was two old lads in front of us
                                         
                                        where I think maybe like it was a lad and his dad
                                         
                                        just the age difference in that
                                         
    
                                        and they were loving it but like
                                         
                                        they were a lot of like ha ha
                                         
                                        yeah like you know somebody makes a reference
                                         
                                        well the you know the Kennedy stuff is great as well
                                         
                                        yeah but it was more like you know
                                         
                                        every now and again it was like geez that's like you
                                         
                                        oh really yeah but it was like stuff I was like
                                         
                                        what do you mean I thought they were like you know just
                                         
    
                                        you know the really obscure little
                                         
                                        no no I think they were retarded
                                         
                                        oh yeah yeah yeah
                                         
                                        that's what you
                                         
                                        I will say the biggest laugh
                                         
                                        they got out of it was for the trailer
                                         
                                        for bad boys for life
                                         
                                        to the painting of when Martin Lawrence
                                         
    
                                        is like my wife's going to kill me
                                         
                                        and they're like
                                         
                                        ha
                                         
                                        you have a straight relationship
                                         
                                        with your wife hilarious
                                         
                                        I killed mine
                                         
                                        I went back to Irish man
                                         
                                        yeah so people are giving a shit about the length of it
                                         
    
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        but like it's this is probably going
                                         
                                        this is definitely
                                         
                                        Martin Scorsese's last
                                         
                                        big gangster.
                                         
                                        Yeah, I'd be surprised
                                         
                                        if he comes out
                                         
                                        with anything that's
                                         
    
                                        going to top this.
                                         
                                        Just enjoy this for now
                                         
                                        because he's going to be
                                         
                                        dead soon
                                         
                                        and you know how lucky we are
                                         
                                        that one, they got the budget
                                         
                                        for this
                                         
                                        and two is just the right time
                                         
    
                                        where the de-aging is just
                                         
                                        right, that works
                                         
                                        and the actors
                                         
                                        are just old enough
                                         
                                        to play the older version
                                         
                                        but all the main cast
                                         
                                        is still like
                                         
                                        it wasn't like
                                         
    
                                        it could be awkward
                                         
                                        maybe like if Pesci
                                         
                                        had a stroke or something like that
                                         
                                        and then they had to try
                                         
                                        and write it into the
                                         
                                        movie we're like oh yeah he's head of the crime family but also can't talk and he just
                                         
                                        blinks and dribble like which by the way like let's just go through the cast for a minute
                                         
                                        okay yeah so so first of all De Niro De Niro who how nice does it see De Niro get to act again
                                         
    
                                        yeah do proper acting not good acting dirty grandpa yeah oh my god like it was just so nice
                                         
                                        like oh he's restrained the scene oh yeah yeah he's playing and I'm invested in it
                                         
                                        this is insane
                                         
                                        he hasn't like he hasn't seen that in a long
                                         
                                        time from De Niro yeah it's true like he didn't
                                         
                                        like ask someone to
                                         
                                        milk him
                                         
                                        or how do you think like
                                         
    
                                        Meet the fuckers
                                         
                                        yeah yeah it was like this is great
                                         
                                        like why can't he like this all the time
                                         
                                        and then we have Pichino
                                         
                                        who is fucking
                                         
                                        100% should get an hospitalization
                                         
                                        oh he's fantastic in it he's so
                                         
                                        it's so much fun to watch
                                         
    
                                        because at times he is being reserved
                                         
                                        and then at other times he's being classic
                                         
                                        over the top Pacino
                                         
                                        or it's just great and so much fun
                                         
                                        it's so fun to watch him go from like
                                         
                                        just this is almost like
                                         
                                        what Pacino was born late
                                         
                                        late stage Pacino was born
                                         
    
                                        this is his role like yeah yeah he gets to be a guy
                                         
                                        who shouts a lot and like just says weird
                                         
                                        things and this acts crazy
                                         
                                        yeah that's him yeah it's great it's a lot of fun
                                         
                                        Pesci is great in it as well
                                         
                                        Pesci he's always been good
                                         
                                        like he's more restrained in this
                                         
                                        he's definitely more restraining it yeah 100%
                                         
    
                                        you're still afraid of him
                                         
                                        Yeah, he's kind of got that, like, Paul Servino's character in Goodfellas, he played Pauley, where he's like that, that quiet presence that everyone's kind of intimidated by, that's very much Pesci in this film.
                                         
                                        If The Archmouse made in the 90s, Paul Serveno would have played.
                                         
                                        Pesci's character, and Pesci would have played Stephen Graeme's character.
                                         
                                        Yeah, that's true.
                                         
                                        Yeah, 100%.
                                         
                                        He's great in it as well.
                                         
                                        Just seeing, Stephen Graeme, just seeing him and Pacino together, yeah.
                                         
    
                                        They're two, they had two big scenes.
                                         
                                        One of them in prison and one them afterwards.
                                         
                                        Yes, and they're both fantastic.
                                         
                                        Oh, so good.
                                         
                                        Should we talk about it in detail those scenes?
                                         
                                        One of those scenes, okay, the fact that like Pesci calls him a wop and then Stephen
                                         
                                        Graham goes to like, oh yeah, sorry, yeah, Pacino calls him a wop and then Stephen Graham immediately
                                         
                                        goes like, I'm going to kill your grandkids.
                                         
    
                                        They actually have like a fist fight in prison and Graham's like, you motherfucker, I'll beat this
                                         
                                        shit out of you.
                                         
                                        That's just so great.
                                         
                                        He was in like,
                                         
                                        This is England
                                         
                                        and now he's battering
                                         
                                        the godfather in prison.
                                         
                                        It's a lot of fun.
                                         
    
                                        He's a great career now.
                                         
                                        He is fantastic.
                                         
                                        He's such a good actor.
                                         
                                        Quick divergence.
                                         
                                        He played an alcoholic
                                         
                                        in this show called The Virtues.
                                         
                                        I want to see that.
                                         
                                        Oh, like it's really depressing,
                                         
    
                                        but it's such a fantastic portrayal
                                         
                                        of an alcoholic.
                                         
                                        He himself is a teetotaler.
                                         
                                        He doesn't drink at all.
                                         
                                        Really?
                                         
                                        So it's just like testament
                                         
                                        to what a great performer
                                         
                                        and actor he is.
                                         
    
                                        I saw him on a TV show
                                         
                                        recently the one show
                                         
                                        and he is so
                                         
                                        I'm sorry I watched the one show
                                         
                                        I'm a big fan
                                         
                                        I got a tattoo all right
                                         
                                        but he was on it like
                                         
                                        and he's just so like
                                         
    
                                        oh yeah it was great being
                                         
                                        yeah I love making movies
                                         
                                        it's so fun yeah
                                         
                                        he's just such a positive guy
                                         
                                        yeah yeah and it's weird
                                         
                                        because like you're kind of like
                                         
                                        where is he from or is he originally
                                         
                                        scouse or because he
                                         
    
                                        no I've seen him do all
                                         
                                        I've seen him do scouse cockney
                                         
                                        you know yeah
                                         
                                        etc I just like
                                         
                                        every time I've seen him he seems so happy
                                         
                                        but I'm like I've seen you
                                         
                                        beat up multiple women
                                         
                                        I just keep thinking
                                         
    
                                        a combo like that's what I think of like
                                         
                                        racist and all yeah yeah yeah he's
                                         
                                        fantastic that's a sign of how good he is
                                         
                                        that I think he's racist
                                         
                                        but he's been in
                                         
                                        like Scorsese he cast him in gangs of New York
                                         
                                        which is 2003
                                         
                                        I think he came out so obviously
                                         
    
                                        Scorsese has had his eye on him for
                                         
                                        a while you know I think gangs
                                         
                                        New York was maybe a little bit closer to
                                         
                                        2011 it was shite like
                                         
                                        oh yeah yeah it's not good
                                         
                                        what are closer to nine
                                         
                                        when it came out like i think came out maybe it's a thousand three maybe like 2002 okay maybe
                                         
                                        i'm maybe not sure like but it was like yeah i defended that for a long time and i watched it again
                                         
    
                                        it's like oh no it's not good uh decaprio his irish accent is god awful and then adding a bit
                                         
                                        of cameron daz's his accent as well oh yeah terrible and then uh yeah yeah it's kind
                                         
                                        depressing daniel de lewis saves it he's so fun to watch as bill the butcher yeah
                                         
                                        whoopsie daisy you know uh yeah you gags of new york fans will like that yeah yeah it's not many of them
                                         
                                        yeah you know the problem with that film is is um they should have just killed off fucking uh what's
                                         
                                        his name um lean arcapio's character like yeah i didn't like him no i didn't like and if they
                                         
                                        killed them off like let's say half should have filmed he just gets killed yeah and then it just
                                         
                                        switches to like uh daniel de louis yeah yeah that would have been a much better film and
                                         
    
                                        then you'd be like holy fuck down to louis is like uh yeah he's he means business like
                                         
                                        the bill the butcher is killing we're going off track here let's get back to the irishman uh what
                                         
                                        else you'd like about the irishman uh i mean the performances are great you know the de-aging
                                         
                                        uh it didn't affect it like after as you said you really stopped noticing it after a while
                                         
                                        and yeah just the fact that it's just very mature like i'm just sort of going saying what i said
                                         
                                        I think everyone, when they see it,
                                         
                                        the first second you see De Niro driving that truck,
                                         
                                        everyone is going really staring at.
                                         
    
                                        They're scrutinizing.
                                         
                                        It's like, oh, whoa, what,
                                         
                                        they're really going like,
                                         
                                        hmm, is his head moving right?
                                         
                                        Like, almost like, they're really overloaded as yet.
                                         
                                        And then you see Pesci and, like, he's like also looking different.
                                         
                                        You're like, oh, okay.
                                         
                                        And then the second they just start talking, like,
                                         
    
                                        interacting, like, perfect.
                                         
                                        Yeah, and you're done.
                                         
                                        Like, you're in.
                                         
                                        You know, they sort of grab you from the start.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        I went back and looked at like some of the other times
                                         
                                        they've like tried to recreate characters and like
                                         
                                        I'm surprised like even Star Wars
                                         
    
                                        the Star Wars film that came out like
                                         
                                        you know Rogue One came out like two years ago
                                         
                                        yeah yeah they bring back Peter Cushing
                                         
                                        in that and in the D age
                                         
                                        what's her name that drug addict
                                         
                                        you know that wordless drug addict
                                         
                                        yeah yeah yeah no she's great
                                         
                                        the DH her and it looks creepy
                                         
    
                                        I had a heart attack on a plane
                                         
                                        oh did she
                                         
                                        yeah that's she was on drugs
                                         
                                        that's fun princess layover
                                         
                                        that's what I call her
                                         
                                        and hey oh that's the worst joke
                                         
                                        I've ever said
                                         
                                        did you think of that when she died
                                         
    
                                        yeah I did really and I've been waiting
                                         
                                        for that was probably the first thing
                                         
                                        that I thought when she heard she died
                                         
                                        oh that's a shame now I wish she'd die again
                                         
                                        now
                                         
                                        you could like you saved that for the 10 year
                                         
                                        you had a really good bit when she died though
                                         
                                        yeah I did your bit was really good
                                         
    
                                        what was it again
                                         
                                        it was like the fact that like
                                         
                                        okay so she
                                         
                                        died and her mother died straight afterwards like literally the day after i was like oh that's nice
                                         
                                        you would you said that if you died your mother would go out of her way to get super healthy and love
                                         
                                        she i do people like god you look great are you doing palates like no just brian died and i feel
                                         
                                        great that was a great bit yeah again like it's a shame that like it's shame that time passes
                                         
                                        yeah yeah yeah can't really go up remember remember when she died huh yeah it is kind of like yeah
                                         
    
                                        Jesus. And what about this Jimmy Hoffa guy?
                                         
                                        No, wait till
                                         
                                        they make a movie about her, and then
                                         
                                        you can bring it back. I think they already have.
                                         
                                        Because she had a memoir called
                                         
                                        Postcards from the Edge,
                                         
                                        and I think they adapted it into
                                         
                                        a film in Meryl Streep later.
                                         
    
                                        Oh, me looked that up. Yeah, I could
                                         
                                        be wrong about that, but anyway. Well, I know that
                                         
                                        when they brought her back in Rogue One,
                                         
                                        the Star Wars movie, she looked like a video game
                                         
                                        character. Really? Of a creepy
                                         
                                        ghost woman. Okay. Yeah, and Pierre
                                         
                                        Cush as well, his head looked weird.
                                         
                                        And both of these characters were in the film.
                                         
    
                                        This is a big blockbuster Star Wars movie.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        And they don't look good.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        And then, like, a few years later,
                                         
                                        they make, like,
                                         
                                        I suppose, like, they're not really,
                                         
                                        the scene with De Niro as a soldier was only seen they're really the age.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, he's very young in that.
                                         
                                        And that, I suppose, is that, you notice that CG.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        But the rest of it, like, I suppose the real person's there.
                                         
                                        It's not like bringing back Peter Cushing or something like that.
                                         
                                        Yeah, it's the real guy.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        But it does, it's, again, I can't get over
                                         
    
                                        like how good it is and how lucky we are that we got
                                         
                                        just the right time. Just at the right time. I said if they
                                         
                                        made this a year before, it wouldn't
                                         
                                        looky good. Wouldn't have lucked as good, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        But, uh, any
                                         
                                        criticisms of the film, would you? Do you
                                         
                                        have any? Um, no, be honest with you,
                                         
                                        after seeing Hoffa, I loved this even more.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, yeah. After seeing the VEO's attempt,
                                         
                                        uh, I watched a documentary
                                         
                                        as well about Jimmy Hoffa. Okay.
                                         
                                        Ooh, get some history lessons.
                                         
                                        Not, I don't,
                                         
                                        don't feel is biased.
                                         
                                        The documentary is called mobster.
                                         
                                        Scum.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah,
                                         
                                        yeah.
                                         
                                        Pido scum.
                                         
                                        What?
                                         
                                        The only kind of interesting part in it was the interview Chucky.
                                         
                                        You know,
                                         
                                        the,
                                         
                                        um...
                                         
    
                                        Oh, the son?
                                         
                                        No,
                                         
                                        he's not the son.
                                         
                                        That's Jesse Plammon's character,
                                         
                                        though.
                                         
                                        Yeah, he's not his son.
                                         
                                        He's not his son.
                                         
                                        Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
    
                                        But like, they don't really go into that
                                         
                                        in the film,
                                         
                                        so I was kind of a little bit confused
                                         
                                        when I looked at the cast list
                                         
                                        because his last name isn't Hoffer.
                                         
                                        Okay, right, right, right.
                                         
                                        Chucky O'Brien is his name, like.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
    
                                        So, in the documentary,
                                         
                                        that came out, this is a few years ago now,
                                         
                                        the interview, I think his name is
                                         
                                        James S. Hoffa.
                                         
                                        He's the biological son.
                                         
                                        And he actually became president of teamsters
                                         
                                        and like, oh wow. I think he
                                         
                                        made it up, like, Obama appointed him
                                         
    
                                        to be like, he worked in like
                                         
                                        some government, the big
                                         
                                        government department to do with like trade
                                         
                                        negotiations, stuff like that. Okay, okay.
                                         
                                        He did very well for himself, like, but
                                         
                                        Chuck E. O'Brien, the guy Jesse Plymouth plays,
                                         
                                        like, they interview him in the documentary.
                                         
                                        They were like, you know, we found like,
                                         
    
                                        half his hair and stuff in the back of your car
                                         
                                        and he's like
                                         
                                        I never killed
                                         
                                        him I don't care what
                                         
                                        the evidence says
                                         
                                        I never killed him
                                         
                                        and that's the end of that
                                         
                                        and they're like no it isn't
                                         
    
                                        we have more questions for you
                                         
                                        and that's the end of that
                                         
                                        so I do think he was involved
                                         
                                        and there's actually an article
                                         
                                        his Chucky O'Brien's son
                                         
                                        wrote an article about that
                                         
                                        where I think he kind of like was like
                                         
                                        I think my daddy might...
                                         
    
                                        Oh, a bit of a Ronan Farrow job.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        Daddy, he's up to his old tricks.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        So I think he was involved, but no one really knows.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        Yeah, nobody really knows.
                                         
                                        The case is still open.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        I did like, though, and they went into this documentary as well,
                                         
                                        just how close politics wasn't in the mafia at the time.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        We're like...
                                         
                                        People say, like, oh, poor old Hoffa,
                                         
                                        he was this good man.
                                         
    
                                        he got involved with mafia.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        But he wouldn't have been where he was without the mafia.
                                         
                                        Yeah, that's true.
                                         
                                        You can't be like some like, um, idiot who thinks like,
                                         
                                        oh, why can't just become successful in America at that time, uh, without get involved
                                         
                                        in crime?
                                         
                                        It's like, uh, because they controlled everything.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Well, I wonder how much that, um, is still, does, you think that's still the way it is today to
                                         
                                        probably don't have as much power, but do you think there's still sort of links to like
                                         
                                        organized crime and like the entertainment?
                                         
                                        and industry in Hollywood
                                         
                                        in present day Hollywood I mean
                                         
                                        I'd say it's more money laundering and stuff like that
                                         
    
                                        Okay kind of like white collar crime
                                         
                                        Yeah I don't think it's like you know
                                         
                                        I don't think there's a guy
                                         
                                        Piss the Whippin' Tom Hanks
                                         
                                        I'm gonna make him an offer
                                         
                                        I can't refuse you better make Toy Story 4
                                         
                                        You motherfucker
                                         
                                        I want to see Woody and Buzz
                                         
    
                                        And who's that one Rickles play
                                         
                                        Yeah I want him to
                                         
                                        Oh let's talk with Rickles for a second
                                         
                                        Jim Norton playing Don Rickles
                                         
                                        Yeah that was great
                                         
                                        That was a lot of fun
                                         
                                        I like to put that as well is didn't like have
                                         
                                        Like they could have done some weird shit with that
                                         
    
                                        We're like to try and like
                                         
                                        Gave him lots of makeup to make it look more of Rickos
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah
                                         
                                        Seedy him or something like that
                                         
                                        It was very
                                         
                                        It's just basically Jim Norton with like a hair piece
                                         
                                        And like a bit of a fat suit
                                         
                                        Yeah, a little bit of a belly
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, a little bit of a belly
                                         
                                        And just got to see him in it
                                         
                                        And it was so fun to be like
                                         
                                        Hey, what?
                                         
                                        And yeah, it was just a fun little
                                         
                                        Ah, look who it is
                                         
                                        Yeah and you're kind of like
                                         
                                        You kind of root for Jimmy a bit
                                         
    
                                        Because he's such a loser
                                         
                                        Do Chip Chiberson Jimmy
                                         
                                        like the idea of like someone going oh and a
                                         
                                        uncle paul
                                         
                                        where's bobo
                                         
                                        like bobo is like
                                         
                                        shouldn't be alive
                                         
                                        and barely is
                                         
    
                                        yeah that was the good old days
                                         
                                        where like you could just make fun of it mentally disabled
                                         
                                        you just take him in and beat him on live on air
                                         
                                        you wouldn't catch that on the radar
                                         
                                        some show
                                         
                                        you'd just be real awkward about it's like
                                         
                                        Well, jeez, is your bloody daft in the head.
                                         
                                        I'm going to give me a bit of a slap.
                                         
    
                                        Jeez, sure, your penis.
                                         
                                        Your penis is small.
                                         
                                        Look at that.
                                         
                                        There you go.
                                         
                                        You dirty little fecker, you head.
                                         
                                        Look at you with your little fucking Mickey Owl.
                                         
                                        You love it, don't you?
                                         
                                        You little prick.
                                         
    
                                        Sorry.
                                         
                                        I was really channeling something there.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        The character.
                                         
                                        Your eyes rolled into the back of your head.
                                         
                                        So, there's actually two comedians in this.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        So there was Jim Norton and it was Sebastian Macchiono.
                                         
    
                                        Oh, who did he play?
                                         
                                        he played crazy joel crazy joe gallo yeah oh wow well actually there's a third comedian ray romano
                                         
                                        oh jeez forgot he's great in it as well yeah yeah god what ray romano's had a real hot streak
                                         
                                        oh he's he's like really kind of transcended over into proper serious acting i know you're worried
                                         
                                        i looked it up the guy he plays survived thank god yeah yeah and he went on to make one of the
                                         
                                        successful sitcoms of all
                                         
                                        town
                                         
                                        everybody loves
                                         
    
                                        oh wait not's the
                                         
                                        everybody hates Chris
                                         
                                        yeah yeah
                                         
                                        he went on to star
                                         
                                        and everybody hates Chris
                                         
                                        in what
                                         
                                        some critics have called
                                         
                                        offensive
                                         
    
                                        well in the parallel
                                         
                                        universe
                                         
                                        Ray Romano's
                                         
                                        he was playing
                                         
                                        Terry Cruz's character
                                         
                                        just in blackface
                                         
                                        playing a young
                                         
                                        Ray Romano
                                         
    
                                        plays a young
                                         
                                        Chris rock
                                         
                                        and he says
                                         
                                        the end word
                                         
                                        a lot. Yes he does. So yeah, let's go
                                         
                                        back. So we had Jim Norton, Sebastian
                                         
                                        Yeah, you play his Crazy Joe.
                                         
                                        Yeah. And just like, he was in
                                         
    
                                        it for a few minutes, but he was just how fun it was
                                         
                                        like, you know, he was recruiting black guys. Black guys.
                                         
                                        He killed his own boss and stuff like that.
                                         
                                        He like kidnapped us.
                                         
                                        His old boss. Kidnapped his old boss. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        And they actually had a movie about Crazy Joe
                                         
                                        as well. This is back in the 80s.
                                         
                                        Oh, okay. Peter Boyle played him. This is a weird
                                         
    
                                        coincidence. Wow. Oh, wow. We were talking when everybody loves
                                         
                                        Synchronicity. The universe was
                                         
                                        our podcast to succeed, Brian.
                                         
                                        I'm a Sagittarius. I know what I'm
                                         
                                        talking about. I'm actually
                                         
                                        a Leo, but anyway, that's neither here nor
                                         
                                        there. We'll talk about star signs.
                                         
                                        God,
                                         
    
                                        why is that shite so popular?
                                         
                                        Anyone who like star signs like you should dig a hole
                                         
                                        in the forest and get shot by Robert De Niro.
                                         
                                        Dreyresteris is a Vietnam vet.
                                         
                                        Those Epstein parties were crazy,
                                         
                                        weren't they?
                                         
                                        What else can we say about
                                         
                                        the Irish Manfred for wrap this up?
                                         
    
                                        I look the highest compliment
                                         
                                        give it is that it's three and a half hours long
                                         
                                        and I want to see it again. Yeah, Sam
                                         
                                        yeah. You really, I didn't feel that
                                         
                                        runtime until kind of like the very end
                                         
                                        but I think the
                                         
                                        you know, the runtime itself
                                         
                                        almost serves a purpose in that
                                         
    
                                        it sort of contributes or reinforces
                                         
                                        the fact that Robert De Niro's character
                                         
                                        has had such a long career
                                         
                                        like he really lived the old age
                                         
                                        so like the length of the film
                                         
                                        is meant to reflect the length of his life
                                         
                                        and towards the end it gets very
                                         
                                        slow and like oh god this is a bit of a grind now you know yeah like i another guy i think it was
                                         
    
                                        collider i forget which website it was one of them where the guy was like uh yeah i liked it but
                                         
                                        the ending it was just so sad and long and it's like yes that's the point that's the point
                                         
                                        it made me think about my mortality oh boring what about the new sonic movie
                                         
                                        yeah yeah but like that last bit like i
                                         
                                        was so impressed with that and I really like changed
                                         
                                        I mean I was loving it the whole time
                                         
                                        but that bit at the end is where you walker going like
                                         
                                        oh I've seen a film yeah
                                         
    
                                        a proper piece of
                                         
                                        art dare I say dare I be so
                                         
                                        pretentious but it is it was very
                                         
                                        artistic well made film
                                         
                                        it was great like you walk out with so much films
                                         
                                        you're like oh I guess the studios
                                         
                                        did that for guessing I guess they're
                                         
                                        setting up a spin off there
                                         
    
                                        oh I hope the studio
                                         
                                        makes more money off that spin off
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        again other tangent you know doctor sleep
                                         
                                        yeah you know that bombed in the box
                                         
                                        office did it yeah didn't do well okay they had to
                                         
                                        cancel they were going to do an oh halloran
                                         
                                        oh my god scatman
                                         
    
                                        crothers yeah they're going to do a young
                                         
                                        haleran movie who would play them
                                         
                                        oh get scatman back with
                                         
                                        CGI
                                         
                                        get Hong Kong fooie
                                         
                                        I'm a scat man
                                         
                                        what else can we say about the film like
                                         
                                        I loved it like it was great yeah I just want to keep going on about
                                         
    
                                        like it I loved it like like
                                         
                                        there's one bit in it where it's
                                         
                                        the near own Pacino
                                         
                                        in pajamas
                                         
                                        acting in a scene
                                         
                                        that's good
                                         
                                        and like I'm so lucky to see this
                                         
                                        I did notice that
                                         
    
                                        it's like when they're in a hotel room
                                         
                                        and they're sitting there
                                         
                                        in pajamas talking business
                                         
                                        it's like
                                         
                                        oh you never really see that
                                         
                                        mobsters in pajamas
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        that's a sitcom I'd watch
                                         
    
                                        mobsters in pajamas
                                         
                                        yeah it's like
                                         
                                        yeah it could be like
                                         
                                        that would have been a Jack Lemon film
                                         
                                        in like near the end of his life
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        him and
                                         
                                        Walter Mondale
                                         
    
                                        Walter Mato
                                         
                                        I think he's something like that
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        people with them
                                         
                                        killing a fucking prostitute
                                         
                                        and then they get back
                                         
                                        to the apartment
                                         
                                        Bill
                                         
    
                                        you left your peanut butter
                                         
                                        in my side
                                         
                                        of the kitchen
                                         
                                        and we talked about that
                                         
                                        you know
                                         
                                        yeah and he's like
                                         
                                        old people are hilarious
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
    
                                        like De Niro Puccino
                                         
                                        now
                                         
                                        they had heat
                                         
                                        yeah they had heat
                                         
                                        Righteous kill, which is awful
                                         
                                        We should really do an episode on Righteous Kill
                                         
                                        Really should, yeah
                                         
                                        That was them panicking going like Jesus
                                         
    
                                        We're old, might not get good film
                                         
                                        Like just try this
                                         
                                        50 cents in it
                                         
                                        So the kids will be
                                         
                                        It'll be hip with the kids
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        And now they got this
                                         
                                        It's just
                                         
    
                                        Again it's just so nice
                                         
                                        To all these guys
                                         
                                        Like Pesci and all them
                                         
                                        They got to come out retirement
                                         
                                        And they got one last good film
                                         
                                        That's great fella
                                         
                                        That they can all be proud of
                                         
                                        And they get all the praise and stuff
                                         
    
                                        And Pesie can go back
                                         
                                        To make a rap albums in the 80s
                                         
                                        Oh he's doing new album
                                         
                                        I'm a wise guy
                                         
                                        Do you ever hear that song?
                                         
                                        No
                                         
                                        Peshi, it's like a rap
                                         
                                        MTV 80s rap song
                                         
    
                                        The music video's hilarious
                                         
                                        He's got like the hat
                                         
                                        And sunbasses
                                         
                                        Like
                                         
                                        Yeah, I'm a wise guy
                                         
                                        Waka,
                                         
                                        Waka, what,
                                         
                                        man
                                         
    
                                        There was a time period
                                         
                                        Where like everyone
                                         
                                        Like Roddy Dangerfield
                                         
                                        Did a rap
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        Everyone's doing rap
                                         
                                        Oh, look at moves back
                                         
                                        They slap me bitch
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, take a purse
                                         
                                        Oh
                                         
                                        Rodney doesn't rhyme
                                         
                                        Oh
                                         
                                        Oh
                                         
                                        What's your problem
                                         
                                        yeah like we were one step away from reagan just rapping oh ronnie rapping
                                         
                                        rapping ronnie ragan yeah actually that was a rap in simpsons well well well well well
                                         
    
                                        yeah so pesci'd rap pesci yeah it was just one but yeah he's made a lot of music apparently
                                         
                                        he never wanted to be an actor he wanted to be a musician you wanted to be like a crooner like
                                         
                                        sinatra all those all those fucking wops want to be like sinatra yeah that's true they do idolize them
                                         
                                        yeah especially not not talking his music now
                                         
                                        they just love the idea of him
                                         
                                        banging the cup hole in Woody Allen
                                         
                                        that's what they love yeah
                                         
                                        they're like oh yeah I want to be like
                                         
    
                                        Franks Natchin I want my son to go up
                                         
                                        become a snitch
                                         
                                        well let's actually just go back to the film
                                         
                                        because you kind of
                                         
                                        the bit where they talk about
                                         
                                        Hoffa's rivalry with the Kennedys
                                         
                                        how he hated them
                                         
                                        and then there's a real allusion to the fact
                                         
    
                                        that the mob killed Kennedy
                                         
                                        because of the Bay of Pigs disaster
                                         
                                        that they supplied the artillery for
                                         
                                        they make no qualms about it
                                         
                                        they say that's what happened
                                         
                                        so that's an interesting theory
                                         
                                        well the mob
                                         
                                        because they kind of play
                                         
    
                                        just the right level
                                         
                                        don't actually go out
                                         
                                        they don't actually have like
                                         
                                        Kennedy getting shot
                                         
                                        and it pulls out
                                         
                                        and Frank's holding a gun
                                         
                                        like
                                         
                                        happy birthday
                                         
    
                                        Mr President
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        like now you could interpret
                                         
                                        that when Pesci says
                                         
                                        if they can whack a president
                                         
                                        they can whack a boss
                                         
                                        now you can interpret that
                                         
                                        as like um you know that's just him saying talking shit yeah yeah but i do think all the stuff
                                         
    
                                        with like them supplying arms to the bay of pigs yeah and them having connections with uh jo kendy
                                         
                                        senior yes uh that i think you'd have to be you have to be you have to be gay to not think
                                         
                                        that's true darn toting brian i'm glad you finally said it because that's been on my mind the whole
                                         
                                        episode yeah yeah if you don't believe the mafia gave guns to the bay of pigs and you have sex
                                         
                                        with men.
                                         
                                        That's right.
                                         
                                        We said it.
                                         
                                        Don't you have sex
                                         
    
                                        of the men though, Brian?
                                         
                                        I have never had sex
                                         
                                        to the man just because I'm afraid,
                                         
                                        probably.
                                         
                                        I'd like it too much, I'm just like,
                                         
                                        oh, Pesci wouldn't like this.
                                         
                                        I'm gay, ha.
                                         
                                        Yeah. Oh, it's just so fun
                                         
    
                                        to see Pesci. Actually, at one point, they
                                         
                                        say that JFK and
                                         
                                        Sam Giacana had the same
                                         
                                        girlfriend, and there's
                                         
                                        a big theory going back
                                         
                                        I had heard this long before I seen the film
                                         
                                        that that girl in question was
                                         
                                        Marilyn Monroe, that he was
                                         
    
                                        she was banging both them
                                         
                                        and like at the exact same time kind of
                                         
                                        Oh, she was banging everything, though
                                         
                                        She was getting past around
                                         
                                        Yeah, so weird, it's like
                                         
                                        It's like talking to Marilyn Monroe
                                         
                                        It's like, yeah, I fucked
                                         
                                        Mafia bosses,
                                         
    
                                        baseball players, presidents
                                         
                                        and then a playwright
                                         
                                        Arthur Miller,
                                         
                                        yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
                                         
                                        It's like, hmm
                                         
                                        Why the playwright?
                                         
                                        I don't know
                                         
                                        And there's a big famous picture of her reading Ulysses.
                                         
    
                                        And you're like, oh, you weren't, you didn't understand Ulysses.
                                         
                                        Well, I don't know.
                                         
                                        She was, uh, she's very, she was very troubled individual.
                                         
                                        Oh, that's well, I'm being a bit sexed there.
                                         
                                        Abusive life.
                                         
                                        I'm being a bit sex there going like, you couldn't have read Ulysses.
                                         
                                        No, it's not even sexist.
                                         
                                        You're a woman.
                                         
    
                                        Well, it wasn't sexist until you said that.
                                         
                                        No, sorry, you're gay, no, so.
                                         
                                        You're a gay woman.
                                         
                                        Oh, anyway, go, I'm having fun here.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        We'll wrap us up in a minute.
                                         
                                        Too much fun.
                                         
                                        What are we like?
                                         
    
                                        But yeah.
                                         
                                        No, but that was a cool little moment like the San Giacano and JFK, both banging Marilyn Monroe.
                                         
                                        The fact that they never say it, but they definitely allude to it by saying that they had the same girlfriend at the same time.
                                         
                                        Well, I think Bobby was fucking her as well.
                                         
                                        Yeah, I think Bobby was fucking, to be honest everybody.
                                         
                                        She was very abused.
                                         
                                        Like, she was a real victim of the casting.
                                         
                                        Now who's slut shaming.
                                         
    
                                        I'm not slut shaming.
                                         
                                        She was abused.
                                         
                                        She was, like, abused in childhood and stuff.
                                         
                                        And, yeah, she had a very abusive upbringing.
                                         
                                        You know what I'm thinking now?
                                         
                                        If this was made by someone who wasn't Scorsese, some hack,
                                         
                                        he would have done a real forest gumper.
                                         
                                        He just says all the debts.
                                         
    
                                        So he would have had Frank Sheer and go to Dallas.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        And he would have Frank Sheer and go to a hotel and give Marlon Monroe some sleepy pills and stuff like that.
                                         
                                        And then he's like, I got to go pay a visit to a certain.
                                         
                                        I got to go see my doctor and it's doctor to Martin Lure King.
                                         
                                        And he's like, you know what?
                                         
                                        X marks a spot.
                                         
                                        Hey, Daku, take two of these bullets and don't call me ever.
                                         
    
                                        Bang, bang.
                                         
                                        This is my dream.
                                         
                                        Like, it would have been a real offensive, like,
                                         
                                        movies like, oh, you know, all your favorite people who died.
                                         
                                        It was Frank.
                                         
                                        Oh, God, that's great.
                                         
                                        But, yeah.
                                         
                                        You got anything else to say on it then?
                                         
    
                                        No, I just, I just wanted, I just so happy I got to talk to someone about this.
                                         
                                        I just got a gush for a while, because no one else wants, people are,
                                         
                                        sick of me bringing it up.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        And I've been kind of obsessed with it.
                                         
                                        But like, it's a great fellow by Martin Scraissi.
                                         
                                        Why wouldn't you go see it in the cinema?
                                         
                                        And they won't.
                                         
    
                                        They won't go see in cinema.
                                         
                                        Apparently if this got released in traditional cinemas, it would have bombed.
                                         
                                        Really?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Well, see, they are only saying that if it had, because the Netflix option is there.
                                         
                                        So obviously people are just waiting for it to come on Netflix for convenience.
                                         
                                        But if that wasn't an option, I think it would have been financially successful.
                                         
                                        Well, because of the massive budget, which bloomed a lot.
                                         
    
                                        It was going to be way lower.
                                         
                                        I just don't know.
                                         
                                        Like, we'll never know for sure.
                                         
                                        No, we can, it's all speculation.
                                         
                                        They were saying even just like factoring all the fact that the people will be waiting from Netflix.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        The opening like weekend box office was still very bad.
                                         
                                        Okay, right, right, right.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, real bad.
                                         
                                        And you're just thinking like, poor old Scorsese.
                                         
                                        Yeah, well, maybe people like just don't have the attention span or the patience for three and a half hours in a cinema.
                                         
                                        Like, that's the main thing I've said.
                                         
                                        is like, oh, I'm going to see the Irish man.
                                         
                                        And we're like, oh, yeah, I think I'll wait to Netflix.
                                         
                                        It's just real long to be sitting in one place.
                                         
                                        We're like, really, that's where we're at
                                         
    
                                        of society now where it's, a film is too much of an undertaking.
                                         
                                        I'll tell you what, another thing.
                                         
                                        When was the last time you sat down and watched something for three and a half hours?
                                         
                                        Um, probably never.
                                         
                                        Yeah, that's what I mean.
                                         
                                        I've tried to watch, um, I don't, I love, uh, once upon a time in America by Sergio
                                         
                                        Leone.
                                         
                                        Never seen it.
                                         
    
                                        oh you should watch it it's a great film sounds foreign okay well i only watch him but denaro's in it
                                         
                                        denaro and pesci are in it actually okay i'll watch it it's a gangster film like yeah but uh it's like
                                         
                                        this big epic saga of like jewish immigrants come to america and then becoming gangsters
                                         
                                        become very powerful and stuff uh it's a great film but it's four hours long so i first watched
                                         
                                        it when i was like 15 years old i didn't watch it in one sitting but
                                         
                                        But it's a great film.
                                         
                                        But you're watching it's 15, but you're probably like...
                                         
                                        Yeah, I just wanted to see the gangster elements.
                                         
    
                                        Like, I wasn't appreciating it for...
                                         
                                        Well, no, I meant it more like...
                                         
                                        You're not in the cinema or like you have nowhere.
                                         
                                        You can't look at your phone.
                                         
                                        You can't look at anything.
                                         
                                        You have to stare at the screen.
                                         
                                        Well, when I was 15, I wouldn't look at my phone because no one would call or text.
                                         
                                        No emojis for me, Brian.
                                         
    
                                        We just had carrier pigeons back when I was 15.
                                         
                                        I wish I was a Jewish immigrant.
                                         
                                        well you got the same dick as one you motherfucker you thanks mom
                                         
                                        mom joking about me being circumcised because I'm not
                                         
                                        she always likes to make fun of me for that yeah I think that's
                                         
                                        we went to circumcise you but we couldn't find it your little fruit cake
                                         
                                        you put your freezing and go whack that's a Rickles joke yeah oh nice that's what
                                         
                                        Norton said in it apparently that wasn't Rickles joke that was a Norton joke oh really
                                         
    
                                        yeah he said he had they gave him some jokes
                                         
                                        jokes and he was like yeah
                                         
                                        I'll take this but like let's just do it a few
                                         
                                        times okay yeah and just met actually
                                         
                                        legit like mess around top of the audience yeah let him
                                         
                                        riff and stuff yeah yeah yeah
                                         
                                        Norton when he gets in a good flow
                                         
                                        and he's comfortable he can be very good
                                         
    
                                        imagine it would be such anachronistic thing
                                         
                                        but it's like they're all these Italian guys are all sitting there
                                         
                                        these mafia dons yeah and Rickles on stage
                                         
                                        going like I love to fuck transgender
                                         
                                        ah
                                         
                                        if a chick's got a dick I'm happy
                                         
                                        if a chick's got a dick then she's got the rickles yeah doesn't really work
                                         
                                        and then like all the mobsers was like yeah he's right oh oh finally he's saying what we're all thinking
                                         
    
                                        i'm going to give a go hey and great thing is if you don't like it you can beat them up afterwards
                                         
                                        and it's not wrong uh yes it is it's very wrong yes yeah you're a bad person for even thinking
                                         
                                        that yeah mr mobster yeah not me i'm not responsible it's the mobster it was the
                                         
                                        I tell you the mob.
                                         
                                        God, and the US government
                                         
                                        just scapegoating the mobsters.
                                         
                                        Hey, it was these crazy
                                         
                                        Wops.
                                         
    
                                        They're all up to badness.
                                         
                                        Oh, these guineas.
                                         
                                        The Guinea is a phrase
                                         
                                        for Italians, isn't it?
                                         
                                        Yeah, Guinea is Italian-American?
                                         
                                        See, again, WAP can be attributed
                                         
                                        to any illegal immigrant
                                         
                                        but for whatever reason
                                         
    
                                        it's synonymous with Italians.
                                         
                                        I can call any immigrant a WAP.
                                         
                                        Yeah, and I will.
                                         
                                        Just go into
                                         
                                        a public place with a
                                         
                                        megaphone.
                                         
                                        Whop.
                                         
                                        bwap
                                         
    
                                        Thank you
                                         
                                        That's my social experiment
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        Anyway look
                                         
                                        We'll end the podcast there
                                         
                                        We'll wrap it up
                                         
                                        We're gone over an hour
                                         
                                        Okay
                                         
    
                                        I will say Scorsese's new film
                                         
                                        He's doing location scouting right now
                                         
                                        It's called Flowers of a Killer Moon
                                         
                                        And it's about the first serial killer case
                                         
                                        And the birth of the FBI
                                         
                                        It's kind of what mine hunter is about though, isn't it?
                                         
                                        No, this is like
                                         
                                        Oh maybe no no
                                         
    
                                        No, no
                                         
                                        Siri killer is the wrong word
                                         
                                        It's like the first kind of like
                                         
                                        It's a one murder
                                         
                                        I think actually
                                         
                                        Okay
                                         
                                        Yeah it's a one murder
                                         
                                        The first ever murder
                                         
    
                                        Yeah that's what it is
                                         
                                        It's called Cain and Abel
                                         
                                        Wait no let me just
                                         
                                        Yeah I got it wrong there
                                         
                                        You did
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        Where is your precious notebook
                                         
    
                                        To help you there
                                         
                                        Yeah I was really
                                         
                                        There I go projecting again
                                         
                                        I was really writing high there
                                         
                                        I was saying WAP
                                         
                                        I was loving life
                                         
                                        Well, I know a look
                                         
                                        The synops in a minute
                                         
    
                                        It's got it's gonna have DiCaprio in it
                                         
                                        That's confirmed
                                         
                                        And they're trying to get De Niro in it again
                                         
                                        Okay
                                         
                                        Playing like a father figure
                                         
                                        Right, right, okay
                                         
                                        Playing Decaprio's father
                                         
                                        Maybe not like an actual biological fatter figure
                                         
    
                                        That has happened before though
                                         
                                        In this boy's life
                                         
                                        Leonardo DiCaprio
                                         
                                        He's like a teenager in it
                                         
                                        His mom marries Robert De Niro
                                         
                                        Who becomes an abusive
                                         
                                        of stepfather.
                                         
                                        That sounds fun.
                                         
    
                                        It's not.
                                         
                                        No, it's very depressing.
                                         
                                        Is it good?
                                         
                                        It's all right.
                                         
                                        There's good scenes in it.
                                         
                                        The acting's very good
                                         
                                        and you can even appreciate
                                         
                                        young DiCaprio.
                                         
    
                                        You know, he just,
                                         
                                        he was really good
                                         
                                        even when he was very young.
                                         
                                        Well, this sounds interesting now.
                                         
                                        It's actually, I got completely wrong.
                                         
                                        You did?
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        The book, this is a flowers,
                                         
    
                                        kill, oh, sorry, killers.
                                         
                                        Whoa, I got really wrong here.
                                         
                                        Killers of the Flower Moon
                                         
                                        is going to be Scorsese's next movie.
                                         
                                        You.
                                         
                                        dyslexic piece of shit.
                                         
                                        You have ruined this podcast for the last time.
                                         
                                        We're going to delete the whole episode now.
                                         
    
                                        And you will be vigorously beaten.
                                         
                                        The book investigates a series of murders
                                         
                                        of the wealthy Ogasque people
                                         
                                        that took place in Oklahoma
                                         
                                        in the early 1920s.
                                         
                                        Now the Oskag people were a native tribe.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        Yeah, so it's over oil, basically.
                                         
    
                                        Oh.
                                         
                                        So they killed the natives to get the oil.
                                         
                                        Right, right.
                                         
                                        And originally it told us about 20 people died,
                                         
                                        but the guy investigating thinks that
                                         
                                        it might have been over 100
                                         
                                        Oh wow
                                         
                                        But again like because probably back then
                                         
    
                                        The early FBI were like
                                         
                                        How many natives died?
                                         
                                        100?
                                         
                                        I just stick down 20
                                         
                                        I don't do the paperwork
                                         
                                        I'm not writing a third digit
                                         
                                        Yeah yeah
                                         
                                        Scorsese is attached
                                         
    
                                        To direct DiCaprio
                                         
                                        And then Robert Deer was rumoured
                                         
                                        For a role in the film
                                         
                                        That sounds good now
                                         
                                        Yeah I'm intrigued
                                         
                                        Yeah so I can't wait to see that
                                         
                                        Yeah yeah
                                         
                                        Just the man killing
                                         
    
                                        natives. Hey
                                         
                                        how are you? Hey, how are you?
                                         
                                        What a great way.
                                         
                                        I was me quoting
                                         
                                        the monster. The movie three.
                                         
                                        Leslie Nielsen and it can't be
                                         
                                        racist if it's from Leslie Nielsen.
                                         
                                        He was an airplane for God's sake.
                                         
    
                                        And airplane too, but the less
                                         
                                        said about that, the better.
                                         
                                        We should do an episode about that as well.
                                         
                                        But, um, okay, yeah, let's end it
                                         
                                        there. All right, that was fun.
                                         
                                        That was a great little discussion about the Irishman
                                         
                                        Go see the Irishman
                                         
                                        Please go see
                                         
    
                                        And the cinemas would be best
                                         
                                        But if you do
                                         
                                        I see on Netflix
                                         
                                        Don't look at your phone
                                         
                                        Yeah you pieces of shit
                                         
                                        Let's sit back
                                         
                                        You subhuman piece of filth
                                         
                                        Scorsese is a blind old man
                                         
    
                                        And he made a film somehow
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        And the least you could do is like
                                         
                                        Just pay the attention
                                         
                                        Don't just stare at it
                                         
                                        And just be like
                                         
                                        What's this shit
                                         
                                        Weird Power Rangers
                                         
    
                                        Power Rangers.
                                         
                                        Why aren't they playing
                                         
                                        Focke, I know, Blink 1A, 2.
                                         
                                        Oh, my, small things.
                                         
                                        Yeah, all right.
                                         
                                        Because that's what kids like.
                                         
                                        That's what kids like in 1997.
                                         
                                        All right.
                                         
    
                                        Anyway, see you later, go on.
                                         
                                        Goodbye.
                                         
