Brian and James Fuck Each Other - Episode 47 : The Irishman

Episode Date: November 13, 2019

Brian and James saw the new Martin Scorsese picture, The Irishman. Lots of Spoilers....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Well, we're talking about the Irish fan. Yeah, we tell the Irish man. And this episode is going to be all about the Irish fans. If you haven't seen it, stop listening, go watch it and come back. Yeah, well, actually, you might do, like, the first few minutes non-spoilers. But I tell you, just straight off the bat, because we were talking about it there. It's, like, a movie that spans several decades, you know, like from the 50s onwards, and it's like gangsters and stuff. I was surprised by how few, almost no racial epitaphs.
Starting point is 00:00:27 It was not a single N-word. Yeah, not a single end. I mean, I was disgusted beyond belief. There's a few fun ones, like, you know, WAP and stuff like that. Wap, yeah. Which you can say, like, without any fear. It's like, WAP is attributed to Italian Americans, but you know what WAPS stands for?
Starting point is 00:00:43 It just means without papers. Yeah, I knew something. So it could be any, you could assign that to any illegal immigrant. Acronymbs can't be racist. Yeah. Without papers. Wop. There you go, it's in.
Starting point is 00:00:55 So out there somewhere, someone's going to go, like, okay, what could the N-word stand? never interpret general ah i had a woman come on help me out here this is why you can't do it like this is why we'll never be racist we're not smart enough for that but yeah we saw the Irish man
Starting point is 00:01:14 the new Martin Scorsese picture and I haven't been able to talk about anyone I saw it like I think like five days ago and I haven't been able to talk to anyone about it because nobody you know has seen it no one I know we'll see it or wants to see it like
Starting point is 00:01:28 how with the group that I hang out Hey, I'm waiting, Dundalk, like, like, I tried to bring it up first in class, and they were like, oh, why would you go see that, you know? I was trying to explain it to him, like, it's all about Jimmy Hoffa, and they were like... Yeah. Well, he would say that in the films and kids nowadays,
Starting point is 00:01:44 don't know who Jimmy Hoffa is, but back in the day, he was as big as the Beatles. Yeah, they probably don't know the Beatles are, right? I just, my class are different. Like, I was trying to explain to them. They're normies, like, you know, like... Yeah, they're not freaks. I was trying to explain to him, like,
Starting point is 00:02:00 it's good, like, it's three and a half hours and they were like, oh, what? Oh, you can watch like four episodes of Gogglebox. And I didn't even bring it up in, like, work, because I probably just, I don't, beat me up. Mr. Coulchard went to see a film,
Starting point is 00:02:20 did they? Hank says the big man, now, yeah. Martin Scorsese, is it? Yeah, they act like I went to go to the opera or something like that. Like, ooh. Mr. Fancy knows how a cinema works It's like Telly, but bigger
Starting point is 00:02:35 And I don't like it Alright, because I've got to sit next to people I don't like sitting next to Yeah I need people to talk about I miss the day I used to be in like a more artistic course Yeah
Starting point is 00:02:47 So like you talk to people about this stuff And my course Like I even tried to Like Rick and Morty came back as well Yes, that's right And I tried to bring that up And you're like Rick and Mori
Starting point is 00:02:56 There's no story to that that's what they said who said that I want to name names no I want names addresses and blood type right now uh Jesus
Starting point is 00:03:06 how do you not like Rick and Morning I don't know like saying I don't like it is one thing but saying there's no story yeah it's weird because like there's a lot there's a lot that it's a very clear story I'm such a like I'm so old and I was like no no there is
Starting point is 00:03:21 it's like to have like an A plot and a B plot much like all the episodes of Seinfeld yes it's kind of what is that it's the circle it's a very specific dynamic that he incorporates into his writing, Dan Harmon. I can't remember it's like
Starting point is 00:03:35 there's a method that he calls it, but essentially yeah, both plots, like the A plot and the B plot, but then they intertwine or whatever. Yeah, it's kind like the hero's journey or something like that. Yeah, Joseph Campbell's stuff. Yeah, so a thing that will help you create a satisfying story
Starting point is 00:03:51 or like will help you just make sure that it is satisfying to the audience. The fact, I don't even get that criticism. there is no story. Yeah. But every movie is a story for the most part. It's not like I was like the new David Lynch film. There was no story.
Starting point is 00:04:06 And then I'd be like, okay, I suppose like you're kind of right there. Yeah, yeah, okay. This is fairly conventional. It's an adult swim sitcom. Yeah. It's not like, like, off the wall. And they were just like, that's just dumb. And then like, what am we going to say?
Starting point is 00:04:18 Like, just spit on her. So yeah, look, enough by so you're finally here now. We can talk about the Irishman. The Irishman, yes. we won't spoil that straight away we should just maybe what can you spoil really it's Gorsesey gangsters
Starting point is 00:04:33 people die Jimmy Hoffa disappears yeah well if you didn't know that go fuck yourself well the whole point of it is you should know that so spoilers from death well before we go into the film I don't know it's interesting though
Starting point is 00:04:44 Jimmy Hoffa like I knew who Jimmy Hoffa was long before this film but I think I learned I first heard about him from Simpsons they used to make jokes about Jimmy Hoffa like Jimmy Hoffa I wonder where he disappear to and then they're just like
Starting point is 00:04:58 quick cut scene to like a shallow grave on a football pitch. Like Jimmy Hoffa was like Madeline McCann like, no, do you know it was like that was the easy joke to go to like if someone disappears like yeah you're a regular Jimmy Madden McCann Hoffa, you know Hoffa McCann
Starting point is 00:05:16 yeah Madeline McCann also did a lot work for unions I wonder if the Podesta brothers were behind Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance also oh I love like when he's first years get mixed up where it's like The pedestrian brothers are pedophiles
Starting point is 00:05:32 They kidnapped and molested Jimmy Hoffa Or they're like No Hoffa was cheating on Prince Charles When Muslim So Prince Philip And the Buffalo
Starting point is 00:05:42 And the Buffaloino Crime family Had him what Okay so It's about Jimmy Hoffa Who was a teamster Yeah he ran the unions He was like
Starting point is 00:05:53 President of the unions Yeah Specifically truck driver was truckers were the big thing and other unions got incorporated in it but it was the truck drivers where especially back then truckers like if you didn't have truckers he'd have not in like yeah he used that if something's delivered to your house a truck brought it to you yeah we need trucks no i knew very little about hoffa but after seeing this film i've watched hoffa the jack nicholson film directed by danny devedo yeah i've not seen it don't i won't it's really not good it's not great
Starting point is 00:06:23 it's really i was surprised by how like it feels like a tuesday TV movie. Yeah. It's not well made. Like, I need to go, I forget, like, have you watched any other DeVito's films they directed? Like, Matilda, but I haven't watched that a long time. I tell you, Def De Smoochie, have ever seen that?
Starting point is 00:06:39 That's great because it's about, um, uh, so Edward Norton and Robin Williams play rival, uh, they're like, you know, like mascots. They dress up in a costume, kind of like a Barney, the dinosaur type figure. Yeah. So they're rivals and it's actually, it's one of, Robin Williams is really great, overlooked.
Starting point is 00:07:01 He's so funny and he's so good. He's just classic Robin Williams where he's just like stream of consciousness just riffing so hard the whole time and it's just so much fun to watch. But yeah, it's a lot of fun. He directed that. He also did he direct Duplex with
Starting point is 00:07:17 Ben Stiller and Patricia Arquette where they move into this apartment? I haven't seen that either. And their old lady landlord starts pissing them off so they think they'd plot to kill her. I haven't seen it, I just heard about it. He's directed a few kind of like dark comedies. Did he do throw Mama from the train as well?
Starting point is 00:07:33 God, I really know too much. Wow, yeah. Yeah. You really like, I've actually published a book about it. I have written my entire thesis, Danny DeVito. No, just the films of DeVito. Not his acting career. He's acting
Starting point is 00:07:47 shit, okay, taxi, go fuck yourself. But the directing. Well, Junior, that was it's like French New Wave, like he was really saying something. well i need to look up the timeline of de v o's films but this from a technical point of view was not good well that was like i'm pretty sure hafa was early 90s yeah yeah so even just simple things like transitions and um just the music the music felt like you're watching a batman film as
Starting point is 00:08:14 sometimes. It's really over-traumatic. As soon as Hoffa appears on screen. Who's the villain in Hoffa? Capitalism. A bunch of, like, Republicans. Oh, we have to stop the unions, boys. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Don't be afraid to use your claws. Don't be afraid to use bureaucracy. Like, there's a bit in the film where, like, like, he's being taken away to prison. Spoiler alert again, like he gets arrested. He gets arrested, yeah. And they have him looking at his grand door through the window, and his grand door looks sad,
Starting point is 00:08:51 and he looks sad, and they're playing the sad music in case we're too dumb to understand that he's sad. And it goes on way too long, and like, this is not well done. Like, there's no subtlety here whatsoever. Well, it was the early 90s. I mean, we were still,
Starting point is 00:09:05 subtlety wasn't really, things were still kind of overdone, dramatic, kind of, like, when you go back and watch a movie from the 70s, everything is just a little more heightened, the performances, the Misson Saint, if you will. You know, everything's just...
Starting point is 00:09:20 Someone graduated. Just barely, baby. Just barely. Fucking Van Wilder style. I was here till I was 43. You also had an Indian friend. But you bullied. I wouldn't call him a friend.
Starting point is 00:09:33 More like a guy who did stuff for me. For fear of reprisal. I won't do with a voice, although I am very ten. but I won't. That shows growth. This is why you nearly didn't graduate. It's still a sudden you just work on your Indian voice.
Starting point is 00:09:55 Just in the mirror. Every presentation I gave is like James, we've talked about this. No, it'll work. I'll win him back over. But look, before we go to Fartha, Nickle, I will say
Starting point is 00:10:10 half a film, Nicholson is good, but it feels like he's acting against the current. Okay. What do you mean by then? In that he's so good and such a bad film. It's like the film is working against. It's like if you take that music out and you don't have the weird scenes and everything, he's, it's great. So would you say his performance is worth watching the movie for? No. I would say if you want to watch Hoffa by Danny DeVito, watch the last 10 minutes
Starting point is 00:10:38 to see what their version of what happens is. That's the only interesting part. okay what do they say it happened can i spoil it yeah it gives a shit okay so i did i actually like this big here now okay well it's not worth the two and a half hours wherever it is the film is it's a long film yeah yeah yeah it feels long and also don't really explain who the fuck hoffa isn't it yeah well i suppose early 90s he was still very much in the cultural side guys everybody knew who he was like you're right yeah yeah yeah like the film opens of him going like who are you and he's like jimmy hoffa and I think the only we're supposed to be like
Starting point is 00:11:11 ooh oh my yeah so I actually learned more about Hoffa from watching an Irish man about Hoffa yeah
Starting point is 00:11:19 but anyway so like the film it's like Danny the Vito's in it and he plays Hoffa's friend okay and you know how it is
Starting point is 00:11:26 they're waiting at the restaurant for a meeting okay yeah and so it's all done on flashback so they're waiting
Starting point is 00:11:34 the car they flashback to something they're like hey Jimmy remember we did that and he's like yeah and then the flashback and they keep doing that okay uh very forced narrative choice to have it like that so anyway the veal was like i want to get out some coffee and he goes and he meets a young trucker okay and the young trucker's like hey asshole i was here first and he's like do you know who
Starting point is 00:11:56 i am he shows him his teamster card yeah he's like oh wow do you know jimmy hoffa he's like i recognize you from the news you know jimmy hawfah don't you and he's like yeah i do and he's like wowzers mister can i meet him he's like hey guess what bring him this coffee you know and the guy's like oh wow mr oh gee i can't wait so he walks over and dain de v o is watching him walk over the car being all like proud yeah that kid's gonna have a story to tell you know okay so the kid sees hoffa pulls out a gun shoots him oh yeah which would be surprised he didn't know the fact that like barra bing it wouldn't but the thing is like you're like there's only like five minutes left so
Starting point is 00:12:36 something's bad going to happen that's very on the nose some kid just shot him in public yeah and also I thought he disappeared
Starting point is 00:12:43 well that's the thing so he shoots him in public outside a restaurant and then shoots down to Vito as well out in public again and then
Starting point is 00:12:50 what they say happens which I don't think is accurate I need to do more research on it is that a truck drives by real quick and they put the car
Starting point is 00:12:57 into the truck and then the two dead bodies and drive off into the sunset but I think in real life happy ending yeah I think in real life
Starting point is 00:13:07 I'm like again a weird music choice Yeah, it's okay about smoking here Yeah, yeah, go for it like But again, like, I might open the windows any bit Sorry, I should have asked Will you let me smoke at here before So you set the precedent
Starting point is 00:13:25 Oh yeah, it's my, it's a victim's fault Yes, always, always Yeah, but I think in real life They found the car Okay, they found the car but they didn't find the bodies. Yeah, yeah. Right, okay.
Starting point is 00:13:36 And also, there was no Danny DeVito in real life. Danny DeVito was not there. Yeah, that's why my big problem is like, actually. I think you'll find. Dain DeVito was an actor, not a trade union activist. Fail. So I watched that just to get a better understanding who Hoffa was. But I don't, just watch the Irishman.
Starting point is 00:14:00 And, um... Well, they really do detail of the Irish band that he was, like, like, you know, iconic. He was huge. Everyone in the country, everyone in America knew who Jimmy Hoffa was. Before we go into the film, a self show, to talk about the production of it. Okay. It had a very troubled production.
Starting point is 00:14:16 It labored in development hell. That's an old industry term. You plebs wouldn't know about it. My course wouldn't know what that is. What? You mean there was flames in the devil? What? Oh, here, what do you mean? They went to hell.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Jesus, how'd you get out of that? with the big fire and the devil so yeah it was in development hell for a long long time just couldn't get funding for it yeah which is surprising because it's Martin Scorsese yeah and also Wolf of Wall Street was like
Starting point is 00:14:47 Scorsese's biggest film financially financially yeah in terms of in the cinema had he been working on the Irish man before Wolf of Wall Street he'd been tinkering for a long time and he like you know him and Steve Zillion I think is the screenwriter
Starting point is 00:15:03 I don't know exactly but they'd been working on it for a while and they were they were like oh we'll do this and then they couldn't get funding straight away so they'd silence you know the religious film he did about um terrible is it didn't say it but i've heard it's terrible uh it's like leam nison and um or andrew garfield yeah and there's one other adam driver yeah i like adam driver i'm not actually andrew garfield he was good in boy yeah but anyway never mind yeah um so that didn't do like that was a bit of a flop a little bit but it's a religious picture like what you expect you know what i Anytime Scorsese ventures outside his territory, you know, it never, it's very mixed results. Yeah, and he's done a good few things outside his territory. He did like that Daniel de Lewis period picture. What was that? It was like some like film set in like 18th century London.
Starting point is 00:15:51 It's like a romantic film. It's like a G-rayed film. It's kind of like, uh, I don't know, whatever. It was like sense and sensibility. Yeah, yeah. He's like trying to do with Bronte kind of style. Keep the Mrs. Happy. Yeah, but he still has Petchy and it going on.
Starting point is 00:16:03 you motherfucking You're motherfucking This fucking Jew You're like Oh I do declare Mr. Darcy I've always relied On the kindness
Starting point is 00:16:15 Of mobsters I'm really mixing up The Jean things now But anyway Go on Yeah So it took him ages And then eventually
Starting point is 00:16:23 Netflix stepped in Yeah They're like We're going to do it And it's a big undertaking Because you have to Deage everyone
Starting point is 00:16:29 And that's where The big I think that's where A lot of the money Went to Wasn't it? Yeah The deaging, yeah
Starting point is 00:16:33 Well also just in general like just the amount of locations just how long the film is like it's a huge production it would be incredibly expensive film without the cgia yeah but wit as well is is corsese's most expensive movie to me by a long shot like how did you find the de-aging i tell you i didn't notice it after like five seconds yeah it actually stopped being an issue you were just so invested in the story and there were some bits in it where i was honestly didn't know it's like have they just like darken his hair a bit it was like most of like two tweaked, like, especially, like, as we get closer to, um, like, the disappearance of Hoffa.
Starting point is 00:17:10 Yeah. Where I didn't know, like, if they just tweaked the face a little bit, or just, like, that's just what they look like. It was very well done. Yeah. Personally, I can't wait until they start using the de-aging technology in porn. No more, no more saggy ball sacks or wrinkled cocks, you know? Oh, I thought you were going a different way with that.
Starting point is 00:17:26 Oh, no, yeah. Subverted it. Ooh, take that. I thought you were going on the kind of, like, more Epsteiny kind of way of, like. Oh, God, no, no, no. All this barely legal stuff. Oh, like, you know, like Ron Jeremy and Jenna Jameson, all those big 90s porn stars, you know, they're not looking great now. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:44 So they could come back, you know. Well, all those porn stars who OD'd back in the day, like you can bring them back. Yeah, like James Dean. They're bringing him back. Oh, yeah, yeah. Actually, another sidetrack for a second. Like, they're bringing him back, all right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:58 And that's done. Okay, but have you heard the plot to the film? No. finding Jack it's about a soldier who finds a Labrador during the Vietnam War and then the Labrador is to find his way home
Starting point is 00:18:10 and James Steen's going to be there yeah James Dean's like where's my dog where's my, oh I'm so as he's like gunning down a village full of civilians that he gets molested by Marlon Brando it's like homeward bound
Starting point is 00:18:27 where it's like this dog and like probably like he finds a snake Yeah, and they become friends A frog as well Like in the Like you know And they're like going around And like they
Starting point is 00:18:38 They find like just a dead Cambodian hooker And they cut her ear off And wear around their neck Because like a prize Okay That really happened Did it? Yeah in the Vietnam Wardies
Starting point is 00:18:49 They cut off their ears And wear them like his necklaces Yeah Yeah Oh okay Just These millennials wouldn't know With that
Starting point is 00:18:57 These snowflakes is that offensive is it oh so anyway let's go back yeah I mean back to Irishman we keep getting side check but let's just jump straight into it like spiders from now on like yes what was your overall opinion of it I thought it was great and um I was really enjoying it like it's very Scorsese but it felt a little bit more kind of mature it wasn't quite as sensationalist as like you know good fellas or even casino but then it really you can tell that Scorsese is very concerned about getting older now because the bit towards the end where he's really old,
Starting point is 00:19:38 it gets kind of depressing, actually. I left the cinema thinking, oh God, we're all going to get old and die. And it really drove that point home. The ending of it, the last half hour, Scorsese just reveling and like how depressing can I make this? How much, like, how many shots of like old De Niro trying to paste them and volume over it?
Starting point is 00:20:00 I'm breaking his hip and crying. Can I have? How many scenes is like, he's on a mobility scooter and it breaks down? And then he's a bird shit. He's still a gangster. He's doing drive-bys
Starting point is 00:20:11 in his mobility scooter. Wu-Tang! And then buying a coffin as well. It's like, just so depressing. Yeah, and Action Bronson is the salesman. He's like, Hey, you want some coffins, motherfucker? He should start rapping.
Starting point is 00:20:27 I'm going to cook you something delicious. And then rip a bong. He starts rapping. No, I say, he's like, you can't walk, take this. Takes a hit of a bong and then it starts getting up and starts dancing. Break dancing. Yeah, yeah. Go, Ninja, go, ninja, go.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Yeah, it's very different from Goodfellas and Casino. It was like, you're reveling and how fun it was. Yeah, it wasn't as fun. It was more serious. It would always be like, it was fun, fun, fun. And then they would have the term where it was like, oh, my God, crime does pay, you know? And then, you know, Henry Hill would realize it, but he was too, and even then, you know, they'd play like the
Starting point is 00:21:02 Oh, did it my way at the end, you know. But this is more like, like they keep showing how people died as well. Yeah. It's appear on screen. So like... Every time a new character appeared on screen that's based on a real life gangster, it'll just show their name, what year they died
Starting point is 00:21:18 and how they died. And it was usually eight shots to the face in front of their crying children. Yeah, it was all just like execution style like, in the face. In the face. And it's always like eight, six shots, eight shots these guys didn't play around yeah it was like this was like a rev this was like send the message yeah yeah giving him an old lead salad yeah um yeah um it's very different
Starting point is 00:21:43 tone like even the way they handled debt like like the debt of hoffa was just kind sad and well quick the major spoiler of that and i was not expecting that is when they show him dying. Yeah. Yeah. Essentially, they allude to the fact that he was murdered by Frank Sheeran. Yes, because apparently Frank Sheeran, who, that's De Niro's character on his deathbed, said, I murdered Jimmy Hoffa, allegedly. He murdered, yeah, according to him now, no, a lot of historians have, like, gone against this, but the historical actually doesn't really matter.
Starting point is 00:22:20 No, it's a movie, like, it's a movie. Yeah, yeah. And it's just, Shearron, almost like, Forrest Gump in a way, like. Yeah, he's kind of like this well-natured. Simbledon who's very good at murdering people. Yes. Now Forrest Gump could be very different if he met a different type of person. Life is like a box of chocolates.
Starting point is 00:22:37 I'm going to fucking kill you, you bitch. What? I don't get that metaphor at all. Yeah, yeah. That woman on the bench she worked for the wrong family. Child, please. Ah, God damn it. I have not myself. It doesn't matter. It's the Irish
Starting point is 00:22:53 man like. Yeah, yeah. What was it? going to say um so yeah like that as well with the debt of hofer which yeah it was just so quick and just sad yeah yeah point this in a way like yeah it was just like he he was just stepped on too many toes and it's like it's time for this guy to go but if you think about like i heard i've been listening to a lot of reviews on youtube about and reading a lot of reviews as well yeah and a lot of very dumb. Okay. Like really dumb. There's a lot of like movie
Starting point is 00:23:25 review shows on YouTube. It's like, yo, we're the movie bros. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, yo, we love protein and film. I work out this hot body. And I go and study some film academia. It's a lot of very handsome people.
Starting point is 00:23:41 And like it's like real handsome guys and muscles or girls with massive tits being like, I love, I've seen Pulp Fiction and a bit of a bit of Citizen Kane I heard another guy on YouTube I forget he thinking he's something like
Starting point is 00:23:58 the cinema crazy cinema guy or something like that like they're all awful names he's like oh yeah cannot wait for this film The Irish Man it's got Al Pacino Robert De Niro
Starting point is 00:24:10 Harvey Firesteen Oh my God Harvey Fireston Isn't he the The kind of the raspy voice Yeah Yeah from Mrs. Dauphire Jimmy Arthur
Starting point is 00:24:26 Yeah That's not even a good Oppression But anyway So yeah The reviews Well here's one other critique That has annoyed me
Starting point is 00:24:35 Yeah The fact that they say That Anna Pacquin Who plays his daughter Has only got like Six to ten lines of dialogue It's so moronic But that's the whole point
Starting point is 00:24:45 Of her character She's sort of this silent reserved judgmental figure who is disapproving of our father's life and because of his the way
Starting point is 00:24:55 his mob connections she becomes emotionally distanced she emotionally distances herself from him intentionally so that's the whole
Starting point is 00:25:03 point of the character is that he doesn't have a good relationship with his daughter because of his mob life and people are like oh she should be talking more she's silent
Starting point is 00:25:13 that's the point yeah that is the literal point of the character people don't see understand like acting's more than just talking yeah yeah and that might be a crazy opinion maybe i should start teaching acting classes here like hey tell me your name shut up yeah that's acting baby tell me your name without talking they'd be like what i'm like yeah you fail now i'm going to abuse my power to have sex with you welcome to acting school um yeah it's like she's meant to be
Starting point is 00:25:43 quiet and like people online have been given shit like there's a reason why Scorsese cast Anna Paquin that roles well you understand that right yeah yeah he cast a well-known and good actress for that role because he knew she could convey that and she gives a fucking great performance
Starting point is 00:25:59 like she really is like it's very much anytime she appears on screen they have that straight relationship it's very like the ghost at the feast you're like oh god it's horrible to watch this and her character in general not even just Anna Pacquen herself but the little I was well playing, like, the way they played, like, she was afraid of, like, Pesci's character.
Starting point is 00:26:17 Exactly, yeah, yeah. It was all great. It was fantastic, yeah. The kid was a really good actor as well. Yeah, yeah, she, she, a little too good. You're like, she looks a bit too scared. We're like, how, what did they do? What did Pesci do?
Starting point is 00:26:31 Yeah, it's funny how? How am I funny? You fucking Jew. What? I didn't say anything. Yo, little mutt. It's like, you ever see a film where a baby's crying, you're like, oh, no, they probably. They probably.
Starting point is 00:26:41 I didn't have a slap. No, not even a slat. he's flicked it or something like that or just like you know let a dog bite his toe or something something that wouldn't be too bad like yeah yeah yeah but she was good but guys I have recorded sounds of babies crying we don't know
Starting point is 00:26:58 shut up hit that baby yeah I'm an art I'm an all tour people I think people went into that trying to find something that Anna Pacquitang was like the best they could find yeah yeah but like I know some people like go into this film almost like it's like Scorsese gangster
Starting point is 00:27:13 they're filming about like guys. Yeah, so there's already this like, oh, it's just another hedonistic, you know. But it's not even, like the characters aren't even misogynist in it. No, there's really no gratuitous sex at all in it. No, it's not about that.
Starting point is 00:27:29 It's not even much, any drug use. No, there's no drug use. And like the, like the, when the violence happens, it's very clinical, almost bureaucratic. Yeah. It's like, okay, we don't like it, but this guy's got to go. So go do them.
Starting point is 00:27:43 him gone bang bang you're dead move on it's not like there's really no sensationalist element to it if you know what i mean you're right actually i'm just thinking they're like all the murders most the murders are just like pop pop pop to the head yeah it's very just like pop pop has to be done okay we're done let's go just like maybe one guy gets strangled and that was like the whole point that was like Stephen graham's guys are doing that yeah yeah yeah so they were a bit like more bad ruthless and violent yeah yeah exactly for the most part yeah it's just pop pop pop very clinical yeah has to be done we don't like it but look it's the cost of business we've got to do it yeah you know what i mean they really like ran it like a corporation kind of thing like yeah it's
Starting point is 00:28:22 so toned down like yeah there was no fun violence no there wasn't really that's what i mean it wouldn't work in it no it was very um yeah that's what's what's what i meant when i said it's a more like mature style of film making from scorsese it's you know what it is it's a film feature and everyone in it realizes they're going to be dead in next five years yeah like everyone is like struggling with that and this is them trying to come to terms of that artistically of like you know
Starting point is 00:28:48 I'm sure a lot of those scenes at the end with De Niro like they weren't even scripted that's just his real life he just can't walk he's just in a wheelchair is my daughter coming no Robert you know why we're not going to say why
Starting point is 00:29:03 but you know why yeah like yeah I just think the scene of him like falling over on the ground they just happened of a camera that was at the rap party
Starting point is 00:29:16 somebody was just filming on their phone Marty was like brilliant what happened I couldn't see you know he's basically he's nearly blind now actually
Starting point is 00:29:24 he's got a like glaucoma or maybe he was a few years ago and now he's better but it was actually I'll not say who but it was a lecture in DKIT who worked
Starting point is 00:29:34 on one of his films whoa I wonder who that is well look the general public isn't gonna know I suppose yeah yeah I said public. I meant public and populists were both there. And I went, bleh.
Starting point is 00:29:46 Didn't know what you meant? No. Well, you just smoked a big fatty. Oh, I smoked a little number. Cheeky little toke. So what? What are you? My mom?
Starting point is 00:29:54 And I drank a Canada Dutch goal. Yeah. We're both going crazy here. We're both party animals. It's like animal house. Yeah. We're both balushi. But neither of us are funny.
Starting point is 00:30:02 We're just sad. Neither of us can have a ladder. It's just me like boosting you up. Can you see that? ditties it's me and you trying to get hard but I can't
Starting point is 00:30:15 it's like we went to see the Irish man together I got on your shoulders I made a big coat and the guy was like you know you're both over 20
Starting point is 00:30:23 well hello my good man yes I would like a one ticket to the Irish man I hear there's boobs in it I'm gonna see some pus
Starting point is 00:30:37 God we're really on a tangent now let's go back um so wait scorsese is very blind allegedly yeah he like just has real like he has to wear big glasses and he has to like sit like this to the monitor like you know he's yeah he's got like a lot of problems with his eyes man that's another thing like when people were giving shit about like the films too long yeah one deep scorsese knows it's going to be on Netflix it's going to see more Netflix than cinema absolutely yeah so people will take you know breaks very limited release in cinema as well like two weeks like i went to see it uh last night cinema was practically empty same with me like
Starting point is 00:31:09 nobody's going to see it in the cinema it's all Netflix there was like six people in it there was like a couple and already are like oh someone made a bad choice here and date wise like I could tell just by looking at her she was not interested
Starting point is 00:31:25 oh really she was I just I made me it because that you were staring at her not the film that maybe she was uncomfortable yeah I knew she was uncomfortable why aren't you liking this you daff bird you don't know Jimmy Hoffa dea you fucking no I just like the way way like he was he just seemed more
Starting point is 00:31:41 excited than her and she was on her phone and I was like oh okay and then there was two young lads in the back who I think still had their school uniforms on which makes you think like maybe they're a mitching like yeah let's skip was this during the day that you went to see it no no that's the thing like they must just like didn't bother to change
Starting point is 00:31:57 okay right maybe just maybe there's two guys who like dress up like school kids I don't know hey you know to each their own it's 2019 you know it's 2019 welcome to undah and then there was two old lads in front of us where I think maybe like it was a lad and his dad just the age difference in that
Starting point is 00:32:15 and they were loving it but like they were a lot of like ha ha yeah like you know somebody makes a reference well the you know the Kennedy stuff is great as well yeah but it was more like you know every now and again it was like geez that's like you oh really yeah but it was like stuff I was like what do you mean I thought they were like you know just
Starting point is 00:32:33 you know the really obscure little no no I think they were retarded oh yeah yeah yeah that's what you I will say the biggest laugh they got out of it was for the trailer for bad boys for life to the painting of when Martin Lawrence
Starting point is 00:32:49 is like my wife's going to kill me and they're like ha you have a straight relationship with your wife hilarious I killed mine I went back to Irish man yeah so people are giving a shit about the length of it
Starting point is 00:33:02 yeah but like it's this is probably going this is definitely Martin Scorsese's last big gangster. Yeah, I'd be surprised if he comes out with anything that's
Starting point is 00:33:12 going to top this. Just enjoy this for now because he's going to be dead soon and you know how lucky we are that one, they got the budget for this and two is just the right time
Starting point is 00:33:22 where the de-aging is just right, that works and the actors are just old enough to play the older version but all the main cast is still like it wasn't like
Starting point is 00:33:32 it could be awkward maybe like if Pesci had a stroke or something like that and then they had to try and write it into the movie we're like oh yeah he's head of the crime family but also can't talk and he just blinks and dribble like which by the way like let's just go through the cast for a minute okay yeah so so first of all De Niro De Niro who how nice does it see De Niro get to act again
Starting point is 00:33:54 yeah do proper acting not good acting dirty grandpa yeah oh my god like it was just so nice like oh he's restrained the scene oh yeah yeah he's playing and I'm invested in it this is insane he hasn't like he hasn't seen that in a long time from De Niro yeah it's true like he didn't like ask someone to milk him or how do you think like
Starting point is 00:34:17 Meet the fuckers yeah yeah it was like this is great like why can't he like this all the time and then we have Pichino who is fucking 100% should get an hospitalization oh he's fantastic in it he's so it's so much fun to watch
Starting point is 00:34:31 because at times he is being reserved and then at other times he's being classic over the top Pacino or it's just great and so much fun it's so fun to watch him go from like just this is almost like what Pacino was born late late stage Pacino was born
Starting point is 00:34:47 this is his role like yeah yeah he gets to be a guy who shouts a lot and like just says weird things and this acts crazy yeah that's him yeah it's great it's a lot of fun Pesci is great in it as well Pesci he's always been good like he's more restrained in this he's definitely more restraining it yeah 100%
Starting point is 00:35:05 you're still afraid of him Yeah, he's kind of got that, like, Paul Servino's character in Goodfellas, he played Pauley, where he's like that, that quiet presence that everyone's kind of intimidated by, that's very much Pesci in this film. If The Archmouse made in the 90s, Paul Serveno would have played. Pesci's character, and Pesci would have played Stephen Graeme's character. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, 100%. He's great in it as well. Just seeing, Stephen Graeme, just seeing him and Pacino together, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:35 They're two, they had two big scenes. One of them in prison and one them afterwards. Yes, and they're both fantastic. Oh, so good. Should we talk about it in detail those scenes? One of those scenes, okay, the fact that like Pesci calls him a wop and then Stephen Graham goes to like, oh yeah, sorry, yeah, Pacino calls him a wop and then Stephen Graham immediately goes like, I'm going to kill your grandkids.
Starting point is 00:36:00 They actually have like a fist fight in prison and Graham's like, you motherfucker, I'll beat this shit out of you. That's just so great. He was in like, This is England and now he's battering the godfather in prison. It's a lot of fun.
Starting point is 00:36:13 He's a great career now. He is fantastic. He's such a good actor. Quick divergence. He played an alcoholic in this show called The Virtues. I want to see that. Oh, like it's really depressing,
Starting point is 00:36:24 but it's such a fantastic portrayal of an alcoholic. He himself is a teetotaler. He doesn't drink at all. Really? So it's just like testament to what a great performer and actor he is.
Starting point is 00:36:34 I saw him on a TV show recently the one show and he is so I'm sorry I watched the one show I'm a big fan I got a tattoo all right but he was on it like and he's just so like
Starting point is 00:36:45 oh yeah it was great being yeah I love making movies it's so fun yeah he's just such a positive guy yeah yeah and it's weird because like you're kind of like where is he from or is he originally scouse or because he
Starting point is 00:36:56 no I've seen him do all I've seen him do scouse cockney you know yeah etc I just like every time I've seen him he seems so happy but I'm like I've seen you beat up multiple women I just keep thinking
Starting point is 00:37:09 a combo like that's what I think of like racist and all yeah yeah yeah he's fantastic that's a sign of how good he is that I think he's racist but he's been in like Scorsese he cast him in gangs of New York which is 2003 I think he came out so obviously
Starting point is 00:37:25 Scorsese has had his eye on him for a while you know I think gangs New York was maybe a little bit closer to 2011 it was shite like oh yeah yeah it's not good what are closer to nine when it came out like i think came out maybe it's a thousand three maybe like 2002 okay maybe i'm maybe not sure like but it was like yeah i defended that for a long time and i watched it again
Starting point is 00:37:44 it's like oh no it's not good uh decaprio his irish accent is god awful and then adding a bit of cameron daz's his accent as well oh yeah terrible and then uh yeah yeah it's kind depressing daniel de lewis saves it he's so fun to watch as bill the butcher yeah whoopsie daisy you know uh yeah you gags of new york fans will like that yeah yeah it's not many of them yeah you know the problem with that film is is um they should have just killed off fucking uh what's his name um lean arcapio's character like yeah i didn't like him no i didn't like and if they killed them off like let's say half should have filmed he just gets killed yeah and then it just switches to like uh daniel de louis yeah yeah that would have been a much better film and
Starting point is 00:38:30 then you'd be like holy fuck down to louis is like uh yeah he's he means business like the bill the butcher is killing we're going off track here let's get back to the irishman uh what else you'd like about the irishman uh i mean the performances are great you know the de-aging uh it didn't affect it like after as you said you really stopped noticing it after a while and yeah just the fact that it's just very mature like i'm just sort of going saying what i said I think everyone, when they see it, the first second you see De Niro driving that truck, everyone is going really staring at.
Starting point is 00:39:04 They're scrutinizing. It's like, oh, whoa, what, they're really going like, hmm, is his head moving right? Like, almost like, they're really overloaded as yet. And then you see Pesci and, like, he's like also looking different. You're like, oh, okay. And then the second they just start talking, like,
Starting point is 00:39:18 interacting, like, perfect. Yeah, and you're done. Like, you're in. You know, they sort of grab you from the start. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went back and looked at like some of the other times they've like tried to recreate characters and like I'm surprised like even Star Wars
Starting point is 00:39:33 the Star Wars film that came out like you know Rogue One came out like two years ago yeah yeah they bring back Peter Cushing in that and in the D age what's her name that drug addict you know that wordless drug addict yeah yeah yeah no she's great the DH her and it looks creepy
Starting point is 00:39:53 I had a heart attack on a plane oh did she yeah that's she was on drugs that's fun princess layover that's what I call her and hey oh that's the worst joke I've ever said did you think of that when she died
Starting point is 00:40:05 yeah I did really and I've been waiting for that was probably the first thing that I thought when she heard she died oh that's a shame now I wish she'd die again now you could like you saved that for the 10 year you had a really good bit when she died though yeah I did your bit was really good
Starting point is 00:40:21 what was it again it was like the fact that like okay so she died and her mother died straight afterwards like literally the day after i was like oh that's nice you would you said that if you died your mother would go out of her way to get super healthy and love she i do people like god you look great are you doing palates like no just brian died and i feel great that was a great bit yeah again like it's a shame that like it's shame that time passes yeah yeah yeah can't really go up remember remember when she died huh yeah it is kind of like yeah
Starting point is 00:40:55 Jesus. And what about this Jimmy Hoffa guy? No, wait till they make a movie about her, and then you can bring it back. I think they already have. Because she had a memoir called Postcards from the Edge, and I think they adapted it into a film in Meryl Streep later.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Oh, me looked that up. Yeah, I could be wrong about that, but anyway. Well, I know that when they brought her back in Rogue One, the Star Wars movie, she looked like a video game character. Really? Of a creepy ghost woman. Okay. Yeah, and Pierre Cush as well, his head looked weird. And both of these characters were in the film.
Starting point is 00:41:27 This is a big blockbuster Star Wars movie. Yeah, yeah. And they don't look good. Okay. And then, like, a few years later, they make, like, I suppose, like, they're not really, the scene with De Niro as a soldier was only seen they're really the age.
Starting point is 00:41:42 Yeah, he's very young in that. And that, I suppose, is that, you notice that CG. Yeah. But the rest of it, like, I suppose the real person's there. It's not like bringing back Peter Cushing or something like that. Yeah, it's the real guy. Yeah. But it does, it's, again, I can't get over
Starting point is 00:41:57 like how good it is and how lucky we are that we got just the right time. Just at the right time. I said if they made this a year before, it wouldn't looky good. Wouldn't have lucked as good, yeah, yeah. But, uh, any criticisms of the film, would you? Do you have any? Um, no, be honest with you, after seeing Hoffa, I loved this even more.
Starting point is 00:42:14 Yeah, yeah. After seeing the VEO's attempt, uh, I watched a documentary as well about Jimmy Hoffa. Okay. Ooh, get some history lessons. Not, I don't, don't feel is biased. The documentary is called mobster. Scum.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Yeah, yeah. Pido scum. What? The only kind of interesting part in it was the interview Chucky. You know, the, um...
Starting point is 00:42:35 Oh, the son? No, he's not the son. That's Jesse Plammon's character, though. Yeah, he's not his son. He's not his son. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:44 But like, they don't really go into that in the film, so I was kind of a little bit confused when I looked at the cast list because his last name isn't Hoffer. Okay, right, right, right. Chucky O'Brien is his name, like. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:53 So, in the documentary, that came out, this is a few years ago now, the interview, I think his name is James S. Hoffa. He's the biological son. And he actually became president of teamsters and like, oh wow. I think he made it up, like, Obama appointed him
Starting point is 00:43:09 to be like, he worked in like some government, the big government department to do with like trade negotiations, stuff like that. Okay, okay. He did very well for himself, like, but Chuck E. O'Brien, the guy Jesse Plymouth plays, like, they interview him in the documentary. They were like, you know, we found like,
Starting point is 00:43:25 half his hair and stuff in the back of your car and he's like I never killed him I don't care what the evidence says I never killed him and that's the end of that and they're like no it isn't
Starting point is 00:43:39 we have more questions for you and that's the end of that so I do think he was involved and there's actually an article his Chucky O'Brien's son wrote an article about that where I think he kind of like was like I think my daddy might...
Starting point is 00:43:55 Oh, a bit of a Ronan Farrow job. Yeah, yeah. Daddy, he's up to his old tricks. Yeah, yeah. So I think he was involved, but no one really knows. Okay. Yeah, nobody really knows. The case is still open.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I did like, though, and they went into this documentary as well, just how close politics wasn't in the mafia at the time. Yeah. We're like... People say, like, oh, poor old Hoffa, he was this good man.
Starting point is 00:44:23 he got involved with mafia. Yeah. But he wouldn't have been where he was without the mafia. Yeah, that's true. You can't be like some like, um, idiot who thinks like, oh, why can't just become successful in America at that time, uh, without get involved in crime? It's like, uh, because they controlled everything.
Starting point is 00:44:40 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I wonder how much that, um, is still, does, you think that's still the way it is today to probably don't have as much power, but do you think there's still sort of links to like organized crime and like the entertainment? and industry in Hollywood in present day Hollywood I mean I'd say it's more money laundering and stuff like that
Starting point is 00:44:59 Okay kind of like white collar crime Yeah I don't think it's like you know I don't think there's a guy Piss the Whippin' Tom Hanks I'm gonna make him an offer I can't refuse you better make Toy Story 4 You motherfucker I want to see Woody and Buzz
Starting point is 00:45:14 And who's that one Rickles play Yeah I want him to Oh let's talk with Rickles for a second Jim Norton playing Don Rickles Yeah that was great That was a lot of fun I like to put that as well is didn't like have Like they could have done some weird shit with that
Starting point is 00:45:27 We're like to try and like Gave him lots of makeup to make it look more of Rickos Yeah, yeah Seedy him or something like that It was very It's just basically Jim Norton with like a hair piece And like a bit of a fat suit Yeah, a little bit of a belly
Starting point is 00:45:40 Yeah, a little bit of a belly And just got to see him in it And it was so fun to be like Hey, what? And yeah, it was just a fun little Ah, look who it is Yeah and you're kind of like You kind of root for Jimmy a bit
Starting point is 00:45:50 Because he's such a loser Do Chip Chiberson Jimmy like the idea of like someone going oh and a uncle paul where's bobo like bobo is like shouldn't be alive and barely is
Starting point is 00:46:09 yeah that was the good old days where like you could just make fun of it mentally disabled you just take him in and beat him on live on air you wouldn't catch that on the radar some show you'd just be real awkward about it's like Well, jeez, is your bloody daft in the head. I'm going to give me a bit of a slap.
Starting point is 00:46:27 Jeez, sure, your penis. Your penis is small. Look at that. There you go. You dirty little fecker, you head. Look at you with your little fucking Mickey Owl. You love it, don't you? You little prick.
Starting point is 00:46:39 Sorry. I was really channeling something there. Yeah, yeah. The character. Your eyes rolled into the back of your head. So, there's actually two comedians in this. Okay. So there was Jim Norton and it was Sebastian Macchiono.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Oh, who did he play? he played crazy joel crazy joe gallo yeah oh wow well actually there's a third comedian ray romano oh jeez forgot he's great in it as well yeah yeah god what ray romano's had a real hot streak oh he's he's like really kind of transcended over into proper serious acting i know you're worried i looked it up the guy he plays survived thank god yeah yeah and he went on to make one of the successful sitcoms of all town everybody loves
Starting point is 00:47:23 oh wait not's the everybody hates Chris yeah yeah he went on to star and everybody hates Chris in what some critics have called offensive
Starting point is 00:47:33 well in the parallel universe Ray Romano's he was playing Terry Cruz's character just in blackface playing a young Ray Romano
Starting point is 00:47:43 plays a young Chris rock and he says the end word a lot. Yes he does. So yeah, let's go back. So we had Jim Norton, Sebastian Yeah, you play his Crazy Joe. Yeah. And just like, he was in
Starting point is 00:47:57 it for a few minutes, but he was just how fun it was like, you know, he was recruiting black guys. Black guys. He killed his own boss and stuff like that. He like kidnapped us. His old boss. Kidnapped his old boss. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they actually had a movie about Crazy Joe as well. This is back in the 80s. Oh, okay. Peter Boyle played him. This is a weird
Starting point is 00:48:14 coincidence. Wow. Oh, wow. We were talking when everybody loves Synchronicity. The universe was our podcast to succeed, Brian. I'm a Sagittarius. I know what I'm talking about. I'm actually a Leo, but anyway, that's neither here nor there. We'll talk about star signs. God,
Starting point is 00:48:30 why is that shite so popular? Anyone who like star signs like you should dig a hole in the forest and get shot by Robert De Niro. Dreyresteris is a Vietnam vet. Those Epstein parties were crazy, weren't they? What else can we say about the Irish Manfred for wrap this up?
Starting point is 00:48:48 I look the highest compliment give it is that it's three and a half hours long and I want to see it again. Yeah, Sam yeah. You really, I didn't feel that runtime until kind of like the very end but I think the you know, the runtime itself almost serves a purpose in that
Starting point is 00:49:04 it sort of contributes or reinforces the fact that Robert De Niro's character has had such a long career like he really lived the old age so like the length of the film is meant to reflect the length of his life and towards the end it gets very slow and like oh god this is a bit of a grind now you know yeah like i another guy i think it was
Starting point is 00:49:24 collider i forget which website it was one of them where the guy was like uh yeah i liked it but the ending it was just so sad and long and it's like yes that's the point that's the point it made me think about my mortality oh boring what about the new sonic movie yeah yeah but like that last bit like i was so impressed with that and I really like changed I mean I was loving it the whole time but that bit at the end is where you walker going like oh I've seen a film yeah
Starting point is 00:49:56 a proper piece of art dare I say dare I be so pretentious but it is it was very artistic well made film it was great like you walk out with so much films you're like oh I guess the studios did that for guessing I guess they're setting up a spin off there
Starting point is 00:50:12 oh I hope the studio makes more money off that spin off yeah again other tangent you know doctor sleep yeah you know that bombed in the box office did it yeah didn't do well okay they had to cancel they were going to do an oh halloran oh my god scatman
Starting point is 00:50:29 crothers yeah they're going to do a young haleran movie who would play them oh get scatman back with CGI get Hong Kong fooie I'm a scat man what else can we say about the film like I loved it like it was great yeah I just want to keep going on about
Starting point is 00:50:47 like it I loved it like like there's one bit in it where it's the near own Pacino in pajamas acting in a scene that's good and like I'm so lucky to see this I did notice that
Starting point is 00:50:58 it's like when they're in a hotel room and they're sitting there in pajamas talking business it's like oh you never really see that mobsters in pajamas yeah that's a sitcom I'd watch
Starting point is 00:51:08 mobsters in pajamas yeah it's like yeah it could be like that would have been a Jack Lemon film in like near the end of his life yeah him and Walter Mondale
Starting point is 00:51:20 Walter Mato I think he's something like that yeah people with them killing a fucking prostitute and then they get back to the apartment Bill
Starting point is 00:51:29 you left your peanut butter in my side of the kitchen and we talked about that you know yeah and he's like old people are hilarious yeah
Starting point is 00:51:41 like De Niro Puccino now they had heat yeah they had heat Righteous kill, which is awful We should really do an episode on Righteous Kill Really should, yeah That was them panicking going like Jesus
Starting point is 00:51:53 We're old, might not get good film Like just try this 50 cents in it So the kids will be It'll be hip with the kids Yeah And now they got this It's just
Starting point is 00:52:02 Again it's just so nice To all these guys Like Pesci and all them They got to come out retirement And they got one last good film That's great fella That they can all be proud of And they get all the praise and stuff
Starting point is 00:52:11 And Pesie can go back To make a rap albums in the 80s Oh he's doing new album I'm a wise guy Do you ever hear that song? No Peshi, it's like a rap MTV 80s rap song
Starting point is 00:52:22 The music video's hilarious He's got like the hat And sunbasses Like Yeah, I'm a wise guy Waka, Waka, what, man
Starting point is 00:52:29 There was a time period Where like everyone Like Roddy Dangerfield Did a rap Yeah Everyone's doing rap Oh, look at moves back They slap me bitch
Starting point is 00:52:37 Yeah, take a purse Oh Rodney doesn't rhyme Oh Oh What's your problem yeah like we were one step away from reagan just rapping oh ronnie rapping rapping ronnie ragan yeah actually that was a rap in simpsons well well well well well
Starting point is 00:52:57 yeah so pesci'd rap pesci yeah it was just one but yeah he's made a lot of music apparently he never wanted to be an actor he wanted to be a musician you wanted to be like a crooner like sinatra all those all those fucking wops want to be like sinatra yeah that's true they do idolize them yeah especially not not talking his music now they just love the idea of him banging the cup hole in Woody Allen that's what they love yeah they're like oh yeah I want to be like
Starting point is 00:53:27 Franks Natchin I want my son to go up become a snitch well let's actually just go back to the film because you kind of the bit where they talk about Hoffa's rivalry with the Kennedys how he hated them and then there's a real allusion to the fact
Starting point is 00:53:42 that the mob killed Kennedy because of the Bay of Pigs disaster that they supplied the artillery for they make no qualms about it they say that's what happened so that's an interesting theory well the mob because they kind of play
Starting point is 00:53:56 just the right level don't actually go out they don't actually have like Kennedy getting shot and it pulls out and Frank's holding a gun like happy birthday
Starting point is 00:54:05 Mr President yeah like now you could interpret that when Pesci says if they can whack a president they can whack a boss now you can interpret that as like um you know that's just him saying talking shit yeah yeah but i do think all the stuff
Starting point is 00:54:20 with like them supplying arms to the bay of pigs yeah and them having connections with uh jo kendy senior yes uh that i think you'd have to be you have to be you have to be gay to not think that's true darn toting brian i'm glad you finally said it because that's been on my mind the whole episode yeah yeah if you don't believe the mafia gave guns to the bay of pigs and you have sex with men. That's right. We said it. Don't you have sex
Starting point is 00:54:48 of the men though, Brian? I have never had sex to the man just because I'm afraid, probably. I'd like it too much, I'm just like, oh, Pesci wouldn't like this. I'm gay, ha. Yeah. Oh, it's just so fun
Starting point is 00:55:03 to see Pesci. Actually, at one point, they say that JFK and Sam Giacana had the same girlfriend, and there's a big theory going back I had heard this long before I seen the film that that girl in question was Marilyn Monroe, that he was
Starting point is 00:55:19 she was banging both them and like at the exact same time kind of Oh, she was banging everything, though She was getting past around Yeah, so weird, it's like It's like talking to Marilyn Monroe It's like, yeah, I fucked Mafia bosses,
Starting point is 00:55:32 baseball players, presidents and then a playwright Arthur Miller, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah It's like, hmm Why the playwright? I don't know And there's a big famous picture of her reading Ulysses.
Starting point is 00:55:46 And you're like, oh, you weren't, you didn't understand Ulysses. Well, I don't know. She was, uh, she's very, she was very troubled individual. Oh, that's well, I'm being a bit sexed there. Abusive life. I'm being a bit sex there going like, you couldn't have read Ulysses. No, it's not even sexist. You're a woman.
Starting point is 00:56:02 Well, it wasn't sexist until you said that. No, sorry, you're gay, no, so. You're a gay woman. Oh, anyway, go, I'm having fun here. Yeah. We'll wrap us up in a minute. Too much fun. What are we like?
Starting point is 00:56:12 But yeah. No, but that was a cool little moment like the San Giacano and JFK, both banging Marilyn Monroe. The fact that they never say it, but they definitely allude to it by saying that they had the same girlfriend at the same time. Well, I think Bobby was fucking her as well. Yeah, I think Bobby was fucking, to be honest everybody. She was very abused. Like, she was a real victim of the casting. Now who's slut shaming.
Starting point is 00:56:35 I'm not slut shaming. She was abused. She was, like, abused in childhood and stuff. And, yeah, she had a very abusive upbringing. You know what I'm thinking now? If this was made by someone who wasn't Scorsese, some hack, he would have done a real forest gumper. He just says all the debts.
Starting point is 00:56:51 So he would have had Frank Sheer and go to Dallas. Yeah. And he would have Frank Sheer and go to a hotel and give Marlon Monroe some sleepy pills and stuff like that. And then he's like, I got to go pay a visit to a certain. I got to go see my doctor and it's doctor to Martin Lure King. And he's like, you know what? X marks a spot. Hey, Daku, take two of these bullets and don't call me ever.
Starting point is 00:57:15 Bang, bang. This is my dream. Like, it would have been a real offensive, like, movies like, oh, you know, all your favorite people who died. It was Frank. Oh, God, that's great. But, yeah. You got anything else to say on it then?
Starting point is 00:57:36 No, I just, I just wanted, I just so happy I got to talk to someone about this. I just got a gush for a while, because no one else wants, people are, sick of me bringing it up. Yeah. And I've been kind of obsessed with it. But like, it's a great fellow by Martin Scraissi. Why wouldn't you go see it in the cinema? And they won't.
Starting point is 00:57:50 They won't go see in cinema. Apparently if this got released in traditional cinemas, it would have bombed. Really? Yeah. Well, see, they are only saying that if it had, because the Netflix option is there. So obviously people are just waiting for it to come on Netflix for convenience. But if that wasn't an option, I think it would have been financially successful. Well, because of the massive budget, which bloomed a lot.
Starting point is 00:58:11 It was going to be way lower. I just don't know. Like, we'll never know for sure. No, we can, it's all speculation. They were saying even just like factoring all the fact that the people will be waiting from Netflix. Yeah. The opening like weekend box office was still very bad. Okay, right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:58:27 Yeah, real bad. And you're just thinking like, poor old Scorsese. Yeah, well, maybe people like just don't have the attention span or the patience for three and a half hours in a cinema. Like, that's the main thing I've said. is like, oh, I'm going to see the Irish man. And we're like, oh, yeah, I think I'll wait to Netflix. It's just real long to be sitting in one place. We're like, really, that's where we're at
Starting point is 00:58:50 of society now where it's, a film is too much of an undertaking. I'll tell you what, another thing. When was the last time you sat down and watched something for three and a half hours? Um, probably never. Yeah, that's what I mean. I've tried to watch, um, I don't, I love, uh, once upon a time in America by Sergio Leone. Never seen it.
Starting point is 00:59:10 oh you should watch it it's a great film sounds foreign okay well i only watch him but denaro's in it denaro and pesci are in it actually okay i'll watch it it's a gangster film like yeah but uh it's like this big epic saga of like jewish immigrants come to america and then becoming gangsters become very powerful and stuff uh it's a great film but it's four hours long so i first watched it when i was like 15 years old i didn't watch it in one sitting but But it's a great film. But you're watching it's 15, but you're probably like... Yeah, I just wanted to see the gangster elements.
Starting point is 00:59:47 Like, I wasn't appreciating it for... Well, no, I meant it more like... You're not in the cinema or like you have nowhere. You can't look at your phone. You can't look at anything. You have to stare at the screen. Well, when I was 15, I wouldn't look at my phone because no one would call or text. No emojis for me, Brian.
Starting point is 01:00:04 We just had carrier pigeons back when I was 15. I wish I was a Jewish immigrant. well you got the same dick as one you motherfucker you thanks mom mom joking about me being circumcised because I'm not she always likes to make fun of me for that yeah I think that's we went to circumcise you but we couldn't find it your little fruit cake you put your freezing and go whack that's a Rickles joke yeah oh nice that's what Norton said in it apparently that wasn't Rickles joke that was a Norton joke oh really
Starting point is 01:00:36 yeah he said he had they gave him some jokes jokes and he was like yeah I'll take this but like let's just do it a few times okay yeah and just met actually legit like mess around top of the audience yeah let him riff and stuff yeah yeah yeah Norton when he gets in a good flow and he's comfortable he can be very good
Starting point is 01:00:52 imagine it would be such anachronistic thing but it's like they're all these Italian guys are all sitting there these mafia dons yeah and Rickles on stage going like I love to fuck transgender ah if a chick's got a dick I'm happy if a chick's got a dick then she's got the rickles yeah doesn't really work and then like all the mobsers was like yeah he's right oh oh finally he's saying what we're all thinking
Starting point is 01:01:21 i'm going to give a go hey and great thing is if you don't like it you can beat them up afterwards and it's not wrong uh yes it is it's very wrong yes yeah you're a bad person for even thinking that yeah mr mobster yeah not me i'm not responsible it's the mobster it was the I tell you the mob. God, and the US government just scapegoating the mobsters. Hey, it was these crazy Wops.
Starting point is 01:01:45 They're all up to badness. Oh, these guineas. The Guinea is a phrase for Italians, isn't it? Yeah, Guinea is Italian-American? See, again, WAP can be attributed to any illegal immigrant but for whatever reason
Starting point is 01:01:56 it's synonymous with Italians. I can call any immigrant a WAP. Yeah, and I will. Just go into a public place with a megaphone. Whop. bwap
Starting point is 01:02:08 Thank you That's my social experiment Yeah Anyway look We'll end the podcast there We'll wrap it up We're gone over an hour Okay
Starting point is 01:02:17 I will say Scorsese's new film He's doing location scouting right now It's called Flowers of a Killer Moon And it's about the first serial killer case And the birth of the FBI It's kind of what mine hunter is about though, isn't it? No, this is like Oh maybe no no
Starting point is 01:02:35 No, no Siri killer is the wrong word It's like the first kind of like It's a one murder I think actually Okay Yeah it's a one murder The first ever murder
Starting point is 01:02:44 Yeah that's what it is It's called Cain and Abel Wait no let me just Yeah I got it wrong there You did Yeah Yeah Where is your precious notebook
Starting point is 01:02:56 To help you there Yeah I was really There I go projecting again I was really writing high there I was saying WAP I was loving life Well, I know a look The synops in a minute
Starting point is 01:03:09 It's got it's gonna have DiCaprio in it That's confirmed And they're trying to get De Niro in it again Okay Playing like a father figure Right, right, okay Playing Decaprio's father Maybe not like an actual biological fatter figure
Starting point is 01:03:24 That has happened before though In this boy's life Leonardo DiCaprio He's like a teenager in it His mom marries Robert De Niro Who becomes an abusive of stepfather. That sounds fun.
Starting point is 01:03:36 It's not. No, it's very depressing. Is it good? It's all right. There's good scenes in it. The acting's very good and you can even appreciate young DiCaprio.
Starting point is 01:03:45 You know, he just, he was really good even when he was very young. Well, this sounds interesting now. It's actually, I got completely wrong. You did? Yeah, yeah. The book, this is a flowers,
Starting point is 01:03:56 kill, oh, sorry, killers. Whoa, I got really wrong here. Killers of the Flower Moon is going to be Scorsese's next movie. You. dyslexic piece of shit. You have ruined this podcast for the last time. We're going to delete the whole episode now.
Starting point is 01:04:09 And you will be vigorously beaten. The book investigates a series of murders of the wealthy Ogasque people that took place in Oklahoma in the early 1920s. Now the Oskag people were a native tribe. Okay. Yeah, so it's over oil, basically.
Starting point is 01:04:28 Oh. So they killed the natives to get the oil. Right, right. And originally it told us about 20 people died, but the guy investigating thinks that it might have been over 100 Oh wow But again like because probably back then
Starting point is 01:04:39 The early FBI were like How many natives died? 100? I just stick down 20 I don't do the paperwork I'm not writing a third digit Yeah yeah Scorsese is attached
Starting point is 01:04:52 To direct DiCaprio And then Robert Deer was rumoured For a role in the film That sounds good now Yeah I'm intrigued Yeah so I can't wait to see that Yeah yeah Just the man killing
Starting point is 01:05:03 natives. Hey how are you? Hey, how are you? What a great way. I was me quoting the monster. The movie three. Leslie Nielsen and it can't be racist if it's from Leslie Nielsen. He was an airplane for God's sake.
Starting point is 01:05:23 And airplane too, but the less said about that, the better. We should do an episode about that as well. But, um, okay, yeah, let's end it there. All right, that was fun. That was a great little discussion about the Irishman Go see the Irishman Please go see
Starting point is 01:05:36 And the cinemas would be best But if you do I see on Netflix Don't look at your phone Yeah you pieces of shit Let's sit back You subhuman piece of filth Scorsese is a blind old man
Starting point is 01:05:49 And he made a film somehow Yeah And the least you could do is like Just pay the attention Don't just stare at it And just be like What's this shit Weird Power Rangers
Starting point is 01:06:00 Power Rangers. Why aren't they playing Focke, I know, Blink 1A, 2. Oh, my, small things. Yeah, all right. Because that's what kids like. That's what kids like in 1997. All right.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Anyway, see you later, go on. Goodbye.

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