Brian and James Fuck Each Other - Episode 69 : Love/Hate Season One

Episode Date: July 3, 2020

We talk season one of Love/Hate.

jump in, okay? Well, first of all, tell me why you like love hate. Well, I like love hate because, you know, it's very, it's very stylized, flashy, you know, kind of glamorizes violence and gang culture, which, you know, I don't really agree with necessarily, but it's just interesting to see something like this come from RTE, when 90%, you know, and that's being generous, of their content is the most, like, just lukewarm, watered down, you know, just non-entertainment. you could imagine, you know what I mean? And then comes this very sort of slick, well-made, flashy, violent gangster show.

And I remember hearing about it before it came on and it's like, oh, that'll probably be shied. And it's great. It's actually really enjoyable to watch. You get invested in it. You get so invested. Like, you know, when it was going, it was fucking huge. Like, everyone was like, oh, did you see Love 8 last week? It was a water cooler show.

It was, yeah. And people would buy water coolers just to talk about it. Just so they could stand there just in their front garden. As people walked past Yeah, you all those houses that have like a washing machine out front Yeah The washing machine

Like can you believe Fran did that Jesus, that was mad wasn't it? Yeah, yeah No, for years I used to say like Oh love hey For an RTE show that was great Yeah And then rewatching it was like

For a TV show this is great It's actually really good You get really into it You don't need a pony asterix to it Like this is just genuinely really well directed It's a lot of fun Maybe not well directed

Like a few things with direction Yeah there are You know it's not like a perfect show like you can see it takes inspiration from shows like the Sopranos and the wire, but it obviously isn't as good as either of those, you know what I mean? It's close. It's good, no, don't know, it is very good.

The writing is great, the acting, the performances. The performances are great, great characters, great, well-written characters in it. All great people who should be, if the world made sense, they'd all have HBO shows. Like Tom von Lawler and Peter Coonan, they all have very successful Netflix shows or HBO shows where we need.

Peter Coonin, like, he was so, so fucking good in it but like literally like Aiden Gillen had a career before it Robert Sheehan had a big career before it Tom Vaughn Lawler was like a stage guy and then but his movie and TV career took off after Love Hate even what's his name?

Something Merck oh fuck Killian? It's not Killian Scott. He's like doing a Netflix show it's like an American show I don't know if it's any good or not but really the only one I can't haven't really seen do anything is Peter Coonan which is a shame because he's so much fun in

we don't get to him in season one and you feel that in season one because I was like it's kind of like where's poochie where's poochie? Yeah yeah yeah you miss Fran in season one and he's great

he would be a very good Andrew Stanley if they ever made an Andrew Stanley movie yeah I remember you did say that movie not we won't go into rock why but if they ever made an Andrews if they ever made a bio pick of a bingo local the other way they did that Bohemian Rhapsody film it just Andrew Stanley

calling bingo and live it. Yeah, yeah. We are the champions. The final 20 minutes is just bingo local. But, yeah, let's move on for that very quickly, yeah. But, yeah, they're all great now. So, and for me, I have to say,

like, I apologize to you actually, James, because a few weeks ago, you were told me that you were watching love hate. Yeah. And I did a proper, like, why? You rolled your eyes. Yeah, I rolled my eyes. And scoffed.

Yeah. You fool? I scoffed. Me and my other friends were like, oh, well, lose. just sitting around drinking brandy smoking cigars my other friends from the rich uh the rich part of camp the rich part of carlo yeah yeah we're like is this is this your friend and i'm like no then we all went off in our segways you went and play you went fox hunting together y'all had like the red jackets

yeah yeah and the hats and with the guy with the guy from prodigy yeah keith flinty he was a big fox haunting guy we loved it but i take it back now it's it's a great it's even better than i remembered yeah it's a good show and I watched I meant to watch the first season for this podcast you'll make notes yeah ended up watching three yeah you know because there's only like six episodes of season apart from season one which is only four so you fly through it you know you would and also it doesn't need to be any longer like um like a Netflix show like this was Netflix it would have extended to 10 because you know the algorithm oh we got to keep a viewers occupy for a certain amount of time yeah yeah it's like we we don't have to budget for anything else so we just do four really good

episodes then six maybe for lucky yeah i think they were just kind of rolling the dice and you know nobody i don't think they expected it to be as big as it got but um oh it's very good like you know it's a phenomenon but even like the so let's let's jump into episode one let's jump in episode one okay so episode one like the very first scene is a guy leaving prison he's got a bit of swagger may i interject please may i interject yeah this is what i want to talk about so the very first scene is actually oh not to be all ben japiro oh wait it's a time Tommy banging No, the very first scene

is Nidge watching how to videos Of a gun Yeah, an American guy describing guns Right, okay And if someone want to talk about as we go through the seasons

Nidge loves watching internet videos Does he's always watching Like beheading videos Yeah Or so he's like He's a very I think in a different world

Nidge would have been like An A-chan guy Yeah, like if he wasn't involved in Gangland He'd be trolling people on the internet Yeah, he would have been a 4chan guy for sure. What do you call it?

Edge Lord type. Yeah, like there's a scene in season two where he's just watching, on his laptop, he's just watching a still image of 9-11. I don't remember that. Yeah, literally, I had to pause it. It's a still image. It's not even moving of like the smoke coming out. And then Trish is like, what are you up to Nage?

He's like, ah. Ah, Trish, would you leave me alone? I'm watching the 9-11, yeah. Roy, I'm under serious pressure here. Are we? Could I have five minutes watching the 9-11, please? Yeah, something like that. this is how he relaxes.

He goes to the knocking shop. He unwinds. I can only come when I'm watching the towers fall. So yeah, we show him doing that, okay, and that's like your introduction, like, oh, this guy loves crime. Okay.

I wonder if he's a criminal. We find out there on. So then we see, go back to your point. Yeah, so your man leaving prison, he's got real swagger, and they're blasting Biggie Smalls. Do you know, what's real like, you know, it's like, edgy and in your face,

you know, it's kind of, but it's very slick, well made, well shot and edited, you know. It's definitely, it's an opening statement, Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of like it sets the precedent that this is going to be kind of like we are going to sort of glorify this gang culture. They kind of unapologetically say, look, these people are out there. This is the lives they live. So we're going to show that. And also I think it's like a statement of like, look, this is modern Irish crime. Yeah. We're fresh. We're hip. We know Biggie. We know Jay Z. Okay. This isn't the general. This isn't Veronica Gehrin. That was all the time. shit. This is new. This is the new school. Refresh, we're hip. It's poochy. It's poochy. Yeah. It's like

Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola how they were like the new cinema, you know, the new wave of filmmakers. They were going to shake things up which, you know, again, we had never really seen from RTE, you know, a couple of things, maybe, a couple of a few half decent Irish dramas,

but not great, you know what I mean? But this was a, this was a high benchmark, you know? Like this was the first montage, RTE- made that wasn't like soilage and ghosts yeah so they were like this is insane there's loads of montages in the first season

yeah yeah yeah this is insane we can do it like that that montage thing you know is very reminiscent of like I think it's even season two of the Sopranos it opens with that montage of every character when I was 17 it was a very good year

when I was 17 Christelia message me ah yeah so yeah so first episode We're kind of like run through it's a bit I'm not going to go scene by scene No no no so it's your man coming out of prison And he's only like he flips off the guards

On the way out He's got we're like oh who's this crazy character Remember he goes into a shop and a nice Indian man? Yeah he's like reading a magazine He's like, I'm not fucking paying pal yet I just got out of a joy And I was like crime really does pay

And like there's some like tasty young one His words, not mine Yeah yeah He gets a phone call from his brother And who's his brother Robert Sheehan Robert Sheehan Robert Sheehan

The worst part of the show Yeah big time He's so hard to buy into him As like a hardcore gangster Is he meant to be like Did he just kept wondering Did he grow up with the rest of these guys Yeah that's it

Like he's meant to be from that area He's like He's considered one of the like Hard lads People are afraid of them and stuff Because like what happens is His brother gets out of prison One while he's on the phone to him

Outside the shop He gets shot Yeah the brother gets shot Yeah yeah And, like, it's like, and now everyone's like, oh, Darren's going to take revenge. Like, that's the word on the street. And I was like, really? Because he looks like fucking, looks like a member of NSYNC had to go into crime after Justin Timberlake made it big.

Yeah, not only go into crime, going to Irish crime. He couldn't even do American crime. He just has, like, kind of like, fake tan and a little goatee or like, what is it, a soul patch or something? It's, you're like, how can we make this guy look menacing? Yeah, and he really does, and he just looks like, um, you just don't take him seriously. He's the worst part of this show and I realize this watching it even more he is definitely the worst part

because before I was like ah look you have him in for the girls Yeah he's spit at eye candy Tommy and the girls love Tommy way more Yeah they do Well he you believe him though He's a believable scumbag

He is believable and he is believable He is believable and also Tommy is dumb And that's his character He goes to the flow And he gets into he can't control his dick He's just getting the ride all the time And the time he bangs a chick They're like please Tommy more

Every time he bangs a chick they're like, I'm going to slit my wrist unless I can see that cock again. I'm going to get some of that Tommy Dick. I'm going to end it all. With Darren, okay, not to spoil the rest seasons, but after this season,

like his motivation this season is I've got to get revenge my brother. Yes, yeah. After that, he's got no real motivation. No, no. That's believable. There's kind of like that little love interest with, uh, what's it, Rosie?

Rosie, yeah, yeah, yeah. But him with Rosie, the first season, we're like, oh, okay, missed it. After that, it's just him like checking Facebook. Remember that, him to checking Facebook over and refreshing the page, over and over and that's maybe like oh how charming but even that like I think you know it's like wow they're using Facebook and an RTE show

the future is now it never been done it had never been done you know some guy threatened to quit the head or T's like I'm telling you this won't last false prophets be aware of false prophets yeah um yeah we should have mentioned

Rosie's in this played by Root Naga Ruth Naga yeah it's kind of like our first big role was yeah I'm watching Jesus the bed keeps breaking yeah the bed it's fucked But watching her and this is kind of like watching early at Braun

where you're like okay, it's like watching LeBron in high school let's say we're like he's not as good as he will be

so it's kind of interesting to watch because she's great in other things yeah in this she's I think maybe it's because

she's acting with Robert Sheehan maybe yeah I don't know I thought she was good and she has some very good monologues and watching her

she's going to go on the bigger and better things yes maybe it's because she doesn't really have that much to do in this

who is it Meryl Streep or Helen Mirren at the Oscars was like Ruth you're amazing we all love you or something like that and yeah she's great like yeah but like again

you know that kind of little storyline between Rosie and Darren it never really goes anywhere just sort of meanders you're not that interested and after a while they literally gave up on it because she just doesn't come back

yeah she just leaves and again with his sister as well basically you could tell from season one Darren was going to be this like complex conflicted character he's got his sister and his girlfriend who are like, please, you need to get out of this life. And then they just kind of abandoned

all that. It's like, no, you're just a scumbag. They all slowly disappear. Everyone in his life disappears. Yeah. Because, like, probably it's written by who, Stuart Carlin? Stuart Carlin. Yeah. Okay, he probably has writing and was going, like, I like writing the Nage scenes. Yeah. I like writing John Boye scenes. Yeah, yeah. I like what,

writing Fran scenes. Darren is a fucking slog. Yeah. It's a pebble in your shoe to quote the great Aaron Sorker. Yeah. so by the second season he's like oh no maybe he's a weird friend yeah yeah the weird friend oh we are kind of we'll get to that yeah let's go season i would like to not spoil too much in later seasons okay right right right so yeah we should probably say you know we only listen to this if you've seen love hate

yeah so the brother's dead yeah but that literally happens it's like the second or third scene in the whole yeah yeah yeah you know and i think it's the credits role isn't like to do the love hate thing yeah which that brings back some memories that little brum brum yeah it's a cool little title card Yeah But some reason That really sticks in my head Not much of the first season

Stuck in my head Because I was so young Except for that Love Heard That and all the caravan stuff What age were you It came out in 2010 What age were you

Oh you could probably do the maths I was too young to understand it I really couldn't I'm not very I failed leaving certain maths Well I probably back then I was like ordinary level Leaving Cert maths

Back then I was like This isn't Doctor Who Well I want to watch Your parents made You watch Love Age Just didn't normalise you a bit You're right I was like

This isn't Faulty Tower where's the trotters I've got some money you're bucky This time next year Nidge boy We'll be millionaires I should have said John boy

That would have made more sense Idiot This isn't porridge This isn't open all hours I just like BBC sitcoms This isn't step-dow and son Fucking wordsal gomage man Yeah

So look Getting back to this Yeah The brother gets shot Yeah And the next scene And I thought this was like A kind of a weak scene

To be honest is the sister Dudley, Ruth Dudley, I think her name is. Okay, yeah. In real life, in the show, what's her name? Mary. Is it Mary? It is Mary, I'm pretty sure.

Mary. Yeah, okay. I'm Mary. Yeah, so they're in the house sad because the brother got shot. And there's a paparazzi guy. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Outside the house.

And she goes out and shows the paparazzi baby pictures. And it's like, that's my brother. Yeah, yeah. This is my brother. And in the show, the paparazzi guy is like, oh, I feel bad. But in real, I feel like, this is great. some mental cases after coming out with Alan Alan

She's here now with pictures Can I keep the pictures They'll be they'll sell great Put me on the front page Baby pictures Baby gangland Shot in face Yeah yeah

Yeah yeah yeah They do have like a picture of him's a baby And a picture of him dead And be like This is what the gangland does But yeah And then You know so she's like

This is my brother Like she keeps saying that over and over And then at the end she's like What does gangland even mean anyway It's like well that they're criminals and they sell drugs and kill people and your brother was a part of it

just because you show me a baby picture I was like Hitler was a baby love what are you saying just because you were a baby once doesn't mean you can be a sconebag anyway I'd love to see the monk try that oh I used to be a baby

oh well that's what uh Kenahan Daniel Kinahan he got kicked off the do you hear about that yeah yeah Tyson Fury they found out he used to be a baby yeah I've killed people but I was a baby once

that would be a fun thing if they ever did season six to get into the boxing world but we'll get it to that later on it could be like a prequel to love here do you see them as kids running around yeah

so there's a bit of tension okay because someone was supposed to collect the brother yes from prison yeah yeah Tommy Tommy now Tommy's way better than I remember okay he's great as a character or the performance

the actor I can't judge because I haven't seen him in much else but in this I'm like I really love like this how dumb and just like he is just like a one of those beautiful idiots you know he's just very good looking and girls love him but he doesn't know what's going on it's kind of like a loyal dog yeah that doesn't really know how to be loyal a sexy loyal dog that you're as soon as you bang you get addicted to that doggy cock yeah a bit of pedigree chum yeah yeah yeah so he he's been

banging a sister right he's banging uh Darren sister Darren and Robbie so he was supposed to collect Robbie from prison, but he was too busy getting his hole. Typical Tommy. So by the end of the first episode, we're like, okay, it's a bit of tension with the brother and with Darren and Tommy. And we're introduced to John By as well. He's like the head honcho.

Yeah, John By, who I think this is Aiden Gillen's best performance, and even better than Dark Night Rises. For the two seconds. Yeah, yeah, when he fell off the plane. Because he was too dumb. But he's great in this, yeah. But Aiden Gillen just has this quality. He's so menacing.

has this magnetic screen presence and these eyes that just like pierce right through you. He just is menacing. You couldn't imagine him as like the doting dad. Like he was in Sing Street and he was like the dad and it was a musical and they're like dancing and singing. I was like, no, he's a

scumbag. He should be cutting somebody with it would be good with En Sing Street. It's like, yeah. He leaves and becomes John Boy. He comes back with loads of money like, Dad, where do you get the money? Don't fucking ask me questions. It's not your fucking business. You're right. He's not big. but he's very menacing.

Yeah, very menacing. You know, he just, and, you know, again, the performances of everyone because everybody's very afraid of him. But he does have those moments

where he'll just snap and lash out of people. Yeah, and also, we're introduced to his brother. Yes. Half brother. Brian Gleeson. And they make that point a few times.

I wonder why... Half brother. Why do you think multiple times in the show they're like, he's my brother? Well, half brother. I know he's your brother. Well, half brother. Yeah.

I think it is kind of because that character has never taken seriously. He's never going to be. be in charge or run the show he's just kind of the donkey brain brother that Aiden Gilling has to look after Yeah

Do you know what I mean? And he has to look after He has to look because this character What's his name again? Huey. Huey, yeah so Huey He's a wild card Very violent, aggressive guy

He'll, you know But he's on, he can't control himself as well And he's not very clever He just goes around Being violent and a scumbag And even as we meet him He's already deteriorating

Yeah He's kind of in a downward spiral Yeah, he's going off the rails already And as the show goes on It gets worse Yeah, yeah What did you think of him? Brian Gleason

Um I be honest with you I was like this is like Fran Before Fra yeah That's true This is like a beta version of Fran Yeah Where it's like

Like a less enjoyable version Yes I think When Stuart was writing it He was like I like this character Now I've killed him off Yeah In this season I can bring him

A certain character back And make him more interesting but that same kind of style. Yeah, yeah, just that crazy... Because, you know, Brian Gleason this is good in four episodes. Yeah, but you couldn't imagine it maybe... He couldn't have been in every episode after that. It wouldn't make any sense if this guy's off the rails.

Yeah, exactly. But he's still around. Yeah, yeah. Five seasons later, he's still around. You can tell, you know, what the other characters, maybe Seer Carolyn wasn't sure how they would develop. But from episode one, he knew that Huey was going to wind up dead pretty early on. Yeah, well, Huey's like, that's the arc, basically.

Yeah, exactly, yeah. Like, that was, you know, he knew that from episode one, that that's how it was going to play out. Although I have to say, for the most part, apart from Darren, who's like the damp squid. Damp squib. Squip, yeah, yeah. Apart from Darren, he's a retard.

Everyone kind of comes fully formed enough. Yeah, yeah. Like, you see Nidge. Nage is great because, you know, he is like the right-hand man, the kind of second in command, but he's like, you know, everyone knows you can't really trust him. He has the nickname Nidge Weasel because he is that kind of,

you back him into a corner and he'll do what he needs to get out. He'll fuck anybody over to get ahead, which is great, you know, and, you know, that as the show goes on, that propels him, but is also, you know, a downfall thing for him as well. The guy, Tom Vaughn Lawler, said when he was playing Nidge, every season he played him differently. or he felt that it was a different character he was playing. Yeah, well there's

definitely an evolution of the character as he goes on as he kind of gets more powerful but then the pressures of being at the top and everyone coming after you like I think he does that very well you know kind of a similar not similar

obviously not really in the same league but like that Gandalfini thing in Sopranos when like it's the pressures of being at the top as well as the domesticity of everyday life kind of intertwined and just like pressure on top of pressure and he does it very well. Well, I know this in this show as well and for most part is true in actual real gangsters in Dublin. There's very few actually old lads who have gone through the system.

You're like in Sopranos, a lot of these guys are like late 60s. Yeah, yeah, they've been around. And they're still working. Yeah, yeah. In Dublin, not so much. Not so much. Because it's not as organized and it's such a smaller place as well. Yeah. Plus, a lot more in, I would say in Ireland, a lot more problem with alcoholics and drug addicts that like, you know, die of their own hands or whatever. And then I'll say there's the gangland violence. But whereas like, you know, in Sopranos, it's kind of, there's only a few kind of alcos or junkies and they're all looked down. Like Chris, Chris Maltesanti. He's like a fucking, you know, dead weight. It's like, oh, you're just a fucking junkie and you're all, you're fucking everything up for us, you know. Whereas I imagine in.

Irish. It's just like, ah, he's a bit of crack. He loves a bit of sniff, and he loves the pints, and he loves shooting people in the face. I think Ireland as well, if you die in your 60s, like, he had a good run. Yeah, exactly. You'd be a proper old fella, you know, in that game. Because, like, they show this very well as well in love hate. It's like, they have little kids running around doing their bidding for them. Yeah, little kids on bikes. Little little kids on bikes kind of like moving the guns around or keeping an eye out for the cops or whatever so it's like it really shows well that like um you know if you're if you're born into a certain area there's a good chance you'll be getting into a life of crime from very early on oh yeah and

we see that as the show goes on other characters get introduced to exactly yeah some may some some rise up the ranks and some don't make it yeah um so as the show goes on we'll just talk season one yeah as the show goes on we see like them getting up the shenanigans so yeah drinking and drugs and prostitutes. Yeah, and also just the basic day-to-day thing of like, and it's so simple. You're like, I could do this. We're like, you know, it's just a little boat comes along with some cocaine.

You just stick it in the back of van. And you're away with it. You just drive to a spot. It's like, you'd be a fool not to do it. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's just one part of it. You probably would be made to kill someone eventually. Think you could do it, Brian?

Can you kill someone? I think I don't think it's the moral ambiguity that would hold you about. It's just a, you're a bit of a, you're a bit of a butterfingers, a little clumsy, a little goofy. You might mess it up, you know. Yeah, I'm a bit of a clown. You might like, you know, you show up and you would have gone, but you're slipping up a banana peel, you know? Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

With my two friends. Oh, I've done it again. Oh. No, I think, I'll joke inside. I think, yeah, as you said, killing someone, there'd be no moral reason not to kill someone. It would just be, oh, what if I get in trouble? Can I record my podcast in prison? Well, they let me sneak a zoom in the Mount Joy.

You just shove a zoom up your ass. Yeah. Yeah, no, but... During my conjugal visits, I just have you come over. And we record a podcast? Yeah, yeah. Oh, fucking hell. Yeah, prison cast.

So, yeah, we see them doing things, and we kind of see... Again, kind of like sopranos, to bring it back. We're slowly introduced to how bad. people are. So, like, Nidge and Darren and all these guys, even John buy a little bit. It's like, oh, okay, I suppose I could work with these a little bit. Yeah. Oh, these are just unhinged.

Yeah. It's not even like they're bad. There'd be no way to do business with these guys. They're just wild. They're all, like, they're all heavily drinking and using cocaine all the time. Like, like, I piss off people all the time. Yeah. Like, these guys, like, if you just, like, look at them and they think you look at them wrong.

Yeah, yeah. Like, the character in it who, like, has the car shot. car shop he's kind of like a south side or like hi hi guys oh my gosh I love the new place John boy yeah he's like they're using him because his dad has like a not a chop shop but like a car

garage and they use it to like store cars that have drugs in them and things like that they use it this is the first time I've used them I think he's kind of like uh sure yeah like he's friends with Tommy yeah I sure Tommy yeah like look you can use it you can use the place once yeah yeah and of course Hughie's like

I want the fucking car yeah And then, like, they invite him over and he's like, remember the guys that coked out? He's like, I'm like, Superman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, what the fuck you say about me? Yeah, it's Elmo. Elmo gets mad out of it. Yeah.

And he, like, punches him in the face. That actor, Lawrence Kinlan, he, like, grew up in a rough hair. I think his, both his parents died by one, one went to prison or something, and then the other died of a hero, like, he had a very hard life. But anyway, Elmo, he, like, gets coked out of it and punches your man in the face for luck. I think it's really weird because the guy's like

trying to dance with him kind of like he's approaching a girl in a club and they're like and Elmo's like what is he looking at me what the fuck's he looking at

and he just turns out and he just turns out and he's saying that's because Elmo was getting horny yeah I'd say so he's giving me feelings oh my repress homo feelings

I'm gonna batter him much if Elmo's like Elmo got hard he's like look at this look what he made me do he's making me suck his dick this gay guy made me hard let's kill

Yeah, yeah So it goes along I should mention as well Trish We cannot We can't not mention Trish Trish is great Nidge's wife

Or well Fiancee in season one And Tridge Tridge Trich That's like Like Heidi and Spencer Yeah

The couple of Brangilina Yeah Tridge What a beautiful name So on attractive Like Tridge yeah Jesus

There's Tridge in the OK magazine And they look at That's what the shoot called Warren. Yeah, so just going to Nidja's family for a bit. Trish is great and she actually has things to do and is a good character throughout the series. Warren is a little, he's a real brino tool.

He's a bit of a goofball. Yeah, he's always pissed himself. Had another little accident and skew. Don't worry about it, Warren. Yeah, he's so nice to Warren. Yeah, he's a very joting dad. But is it in season one where he, basically gives that speech

That's season two Yeah But it's not a spoiler Just say he's like I don't give a fuck of anything Basically he just He just says to Tommy Look I'm going to say something now

I don't give a fuck about anyone Okay genuinely Like Trish I love her and all But I don't really give a fuck about her The only one I love The only person I care about is Warren After that everybody else can go fuck themselves Yeah

And you can feel that he really means that Like he doesn't He genuinely has no empathy Even in the up in season one In the first episode they're in the funeral parlor with Darren's brother Robbie just got shot

and Darren says to Nage could you stay with him for a minute I don't want him to be on his own and Nidj is like yeah yeah no worries and as soon as Darren leaves the room Nidges just looks at the body and takes out his phone and just starts scrolling through it

and it's a wonderful little moment of this guy is really no empathy for anything and also it does show as well in this world it kind of shows that Darren's been away for a while because for these guys like yeah he's dead it happens

what's the point saying a prayer Yeah, exactly. Just want to look at some pictures of 9-11. Yeah. Building 7. And then we have Warren. He's the kid. Yeah.

And then later on, they have other kids. Well, I'll have to say, like, his relationship with Warren is good. And I could definitely feel it for poor old Warren. I was pissing himself. Yeah. Remember that bit of his party where the clown wants to get paid? Right. Yeah.

He says, you're on here 20 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That poor old clown. Does he batter the clown? No, he just. He gives a talk, gives them shit. Imagine that clown was like, I went to France to study clowning.

And now I'm performing for these troglodytes. Yeah. But, yeah, so. So we should just say, let me just check time. We're at half an hour here. Perfect, yeah. So just to speed along the plot now, because it's a short enough plot.

Yeah. We have the storyline of Nidge and Trish getting married. Yes, they're getting married. Okay, so that's one thing on fucking old Nidge's head. Yeah, yeah. And during this, Huey is starting to spiral out and getting worse and worse than usual.

Yes. And I try to remember exactly what happens. Huey kills somewhere? Yeah, he basically, Huey kind of pals up with this traveler guy who lives in a caravan and they go and do a job together and then they're drinking and doing Coke, right?

I could be getting ahead of myself. Let me just check. I'm trying to remember exactly. Yeah, he teams up with a traveller guy to go and kill someone And then he ends up killing the traveller Just in a drunken rage Yeah, well, that's kind of A huge just a force in nature

He's just like a violent psychopath At one stage he says, I thought this was great He says, I've got the Penguins of Madagascar in my head Now, that's the best description of mental illness I've ever heard Yeah, just the voices won't stop Yeah That would be great if like you go to your psychologist

I've got the penguins of Madagascar in my head. Yeah. Give me a few blueys there, pal. Nice one. Few Zimos. So there's a hit on Darren. There's a hit on Darren. Just to speed up, like,

basically it's a hit on Darren. We find out that Huey killed Darren's brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he owed him 300. 300. Yeah. And he's like 300 million? 3100,000?

Like 300 quid. Yeah. And John Boy's like, you fucking idiot. But, you know, that's the thing. The whole thing is like, you killed Darren's brother. Oh my God. Now Darren's after.

his little scrawny bum-fluff Darren What the fuck's he gonna do? Like does a scene Spends half his day in a tanning salon They try and put a hit out on Darren Yeah And like fucking Did it fail for some reason

And Darren shoots Is it Elmo? No Ado Not Ado Oh fuck what do you call him Is Elmo Aido There's Elmo and Ado

It's the one that is banging Ruth Like Rosie there together Oh what's his name Oh it's not him No? No, it's not him. Oh, it's later on. Okay.

He gets shot later on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, yeah. So, and then Darren's, like, the nice guy where, like, he shoots one of the guys in the stomach and he calls the ambulance afterwards. Yeah, okay, yes. In the show, we're supposed to be like, oh, my God, he's a gangster, but he also cares. Yeah.

I was like, why are you wasting your time, you fucking idiot? Like, this guy tried to kill you, like, you know what I mean? All right. Let's keep doing that. As a show goes on as well, we're like, oh, Darren, like, he'll kill someone, but then he'll look out a window, he'll feel sad. He's kind of, yeah, he's meant I'd be this Conflicted, torn character

He's the only moral man. Yeah, essentially, he's like, he's getting drawn back into this life of crime even though he's a good heart. And it's just like, bleh, boring. He really is terrible. Yeah, it's just, it brings the show down. Yeah, he is like a B-list level character actor.

Yeah. But because he's mildly good looking, he got bigger parts. You got to remember that he was just coming off misfits. Yeah, he piqued them misfits. Yeah, yeah, like, well, it was kind of breakthrough role but also his best role he did take with it. And also he's not the lead to that.

No. He's a funny guy, yeah, he's the funny guy, yeah, he's the funny guy, but he is definitely the best character in Misfits because he's funny, like Yeah, and the rest are just like whatever. Ever since then, well one of them was a legit racist. Yeah, that's right. She got, you know, she like started calling some

whatever. She beat up some Pakistani guy or something like that. Yeah, yeah. In a taxi or something. It's something like that, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Just like the show. Yeah, yeah. And she's like, where's my superpowers what was her superpower again

I don't remember I forget that show a lot one can make people horny yeah the girl like she touched someone

and they just wanted to fuck her I really don't think that's a superpower any girl really need especially this day and age

it's like I basically all women have that superpower I mean really if a woman touches a guy he's like she touched me

I'm gonna yeah that means I can do what I want yeah exactly yeah it's not a good superpower

I'm gonna mirror max you anyway okay so yeah whatever Robert Sheehan yeah he I do not like him I'm he really holds the whole showdown

yeah for a while yeah yeah yeah so yeah there is a hit out in Darren by John Boy

and Huey to protect Huey from the fact that he murdered Darren's brother but the hit doesn't go through and now it's like oh shit but Nage is well

wedding comes up. Yeah, yeah. And then they crashed the wedding. They crash the wedding. Like Vince Vaughan and Owen Wilson. They're just driving

around and like wearing a bulletproof vest. Yeah, in their head, like John Boy and Hugh you're like, we're going to show up, we're going to get some Poon Tang.

Will Farrell's here. Mom, we want to meet love. Fuck. Yeah, but they show up and they kind of ruin the wedding. Trish is Scarlet. She is raging.

Yeah. And poor old Nidji is not getting his hole tonight. Oh, she's making them wait for ages. Yeah, yeah.

He's very horny. Yeah. That just adds to his stress. Warren's pissing all over the place and he's horny.

He's trying to bust the nut. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, if I don't bust the knot, I'm gonna bust a cap.

Yo. And then Huey, big mouth on him, just ruins everything. He's like, ah, how are you doing, Nidji?

Do you like the prostitutes in Amsterdam? The prostitutes that you had sex with your penis and just, yes. Very subtle, Hughie.

Yeah, very subtle. What's he talking about? Nietzsche? What? No, I should. You didn't, did you? No. Ah, Trish, no, don't be asking me that now. You know, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, so it's very, like, but it's on the wedding day, and she's, like, she's obviously very upset. So there's this whole stress, and there's this kind of like, as the episodes are going down, like, what's going to happen? Yeah.

And the way they resolve it is, uh, so Huey's going around with, I think Elmo and someone else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they got to pick up something. Yes. and um think something for elmo okay and then hughy for some reason takes it a gun and he thinks it's not loaded is that right he kind of wants to do the kind of shoot at the feet thing or at least freak out your guy right because I have a young fellow who's driving

right okay remember he keeps giving the young fella coke yeah yeah yeah and the guy I don't think we ever seen again he's like all right I'll drive and he's like do the coke okay I will um I'm coked up now thank you very much yes I am off my tits and we're taking a left up here Yes, I am so high. But yeah, so he takes, they get out of the car, he is a gun,

and for whatever reason, he puts it to his head and pulls the trigger, thinking that... He thought he was a crow. Yeah, what, what exactly, I can't remember why he did it? No, he did it because he took the clip out. He was like, ah, she's not fucking loaded. Yeah, but there was one in the barrel. Yeah, and he pulls it and blows his head off.

Right, right, right. This is what I was saying about direction now, the way it's directed. They do it in a, they decided to do a slow mode. slow-mo thing where it's like bang wha yeah no

my head I think if they played it off it's like bang he just falls down dead yeah like just like what the fuck is that you be holy shit it's crazy

because they do it slow-mo thing to do kind of like a weird like it's like something out of a music video or something they do it like they're storming the beach

of Normandy you know the way like the only way do it kind of like when a bullet goes off And Tom Hanks is looking around Right, yeah The ringing in the ears

Yeah, yeah Do it like that Where everyone's like Whoa, and it's like Ooh shake And then he falls down And like by the end of it You're like

I get it He's dead He's dead Yeah Yeah it was a pretty dumb way to Kill off a character But I guess

That was kind of It reflects he was crazy Always on drugs Didn't have any sense And that's what happens Yeah They also He does actually

Brian Gleason His credit He does some good Shot into head acting because he's not dead for a while he's like yeah he's like oh is there a bullet in my head

yeah oh my doctor says I'm not supposed to have a bullet in my head he's like Chandler could this bullet be anymore in my head

yeah yeah so he's like how you're doing and then Elmo's like the driver's like should we help him and Elmo's like nah fuck him

yeah yeah so because Hughie's dead that resolves the kind of the guy who killed oh Jesus sorry the guy who killed

Darren's brother is now dead so that kind of resolves that whole thing. One actually seen, I forgot to talk about, in the wedding, when they do the dancing down the aisle. Yes. That was so weird and out of place. I think it worked, especially that time in Ireland.

Because remember, in this time Ireland, it just got YouTube. Yeah, there was that kind of thing where they do the kind of dance down the aisle, but it was just so, it was just very weird. Did it in the office as well? Did they? Remember in the office where they go to Niagara? Is this the American office? I never watched them

Oh and that They basically do the same scene We're like They have a big dance That works And then Dwight shows up He's like Ah Jim

You like the hookers Did you? Alright Jim Paul How's it going A few sniffs in the jacks Yeah Alright Pam you're looking well Did he enjoy the brassers

Did he? Go on you go thing Sorry The gym looks at the camera It gives a cheeky little I have to deal with this guy Look at this wacky character Yeah

Yeah yeah But I liked it And it kind of like a moment of like Hey they're a crazy family Yeah yeah I didn't like it But you know Each to the room

Is like Yeah I don't know But it's just It just felt very out of place Like you know Kind of they're going It was kind of testament To the fact that season one

They were still very much Finding their feet They didn't really know What kind of show they were yet Because they tried to have this kind of sometimes silly thing silliness you know there is some comedic moments in love hate but i think when it comes from the kind of darker side of like you know uh fran pissing on some woman's grave you know that's very dark but it's very funny oh it's very funny but it's

you only get that in the office yeah no but then when they're just doing the silly little dance and then the next scene john boy shows up and we're both supposed to go from ha they're all dancing to, oh no, here comes this scary element. Here comes trouble. Yeah, exactly. You know, is this a weird tonal shift that I don't think quite worked, but I applaud the attempt, you know, I'll give them props for that.

I disagree. I think it did work. I think for a wedding it worked, and we'll agree, disagree. Okay. Well, this is my Zoom recorder, so you better fucking agree with me. Just smash my head over. Yeah. Just ring up your mother. Did Brian enjoy the prostitutes? Did he?

Yeah. So just to wrap this up a little bit So one plot point we didn't mention Is Rosie, the young one that Darren's chasing after Has a boyfriend Yes Stumpy Stumpy, yeah

Now Stumpy's bad news He's a bad egg Yeah he beats her up He does He beats the baby mama She's pregnant Yeah so she loses the baby She loses the baby

Because he batters her The baby mama lost the baby Yeah Yeah And he's a you know he's a DJ So That's even worse you go i've never met a good dj yeah exactly show me one dj that doesn't that doesn't beat his baby mama

until she like loses the kid yeah every single dj chris evans battered billy piper nobody knows remembers chris evans when you say chris evans everyone thinks uh what they call on captain america but they don't remember that specky ginger cunt who used to like whip his dick out in front of people yeah well that was what entertainment was back then you know the big breakfast you want a big breakfast to have a notch on that love That was the good old days. You wake up in the morning. You get FHM.

You drink a can of Stella. You do a few sniffs. Yeah. And then you go into Channel 4 studios and start harassing B-List celebrities. Well, his whole thing for a while in his radio show was, I'm going to get drunk on the radio show. This is crazy. Yeah. This is sad.

You were just an alcoholic. Yeah. Yeah. He was like in his 50s still trying to be like the wacky 20-year-old. Oh, it's crazy. Billy? Where's she gone? She was like 17 and he was like 30 odd.

Yeah. Yeah. What was her big song? Because I want to. Because I want to. Yeah. Why you want to bank Chris Evans? Because I want to.

She didn't want to. No, she definitely didn't. She taught she did. But that's because the drugs worked. She really thought like that was going to help her career, Chris Evans. The big breakfast. Anyway, let's... She better off dating nage.

But let's just finish it off. Okay. so Stumpy has a problem with Darren Yeah because there's a clear chemistry between Rosie and Darren because they used to be boyfriend and girlfriend Well Stumpy's so insecure

He's the kind of guy's like Oh, you share the cigarette with a guy I'm gonna beat you till you lose the baby And you say I'm overreacting Yeah Dirty bitch Fem Nazi We can't do nothing these days

But a Countess Markovitch yeah yeah you know they're setting up new standards in the workplace for what you can and can't do with women and apparently I can't beat a woman till she loses her baby ugh PC gone mad in it

I hate Jeremy Corbin so I just finish up so he has a Stumpy and Darren are enemies okay yeah yeah yeah so Darren goes to meet John Boy and John By is basically like hey look you lost a brother I lost a brother call it even yeah look hey look it

happens you say tomato I say, tomato, let's call the whole thing off. Shit happens, okay? I'm a big crime guy. I don't need to be scared of Darren. Yeah. Because you're my worst nightmare. Yeah, they really is like, you're so, oh, no, Darren's after us. When John By and

Darren me, I think it's meant to be like, you know, in heat when De Niro and Pacino. Yeah, yeah. I will not hesitate. Brother, you are going down. Yeah. So they have the truth. And we're like, oh, it looks like

everything's going to be A-O-K Yeah, yeah And then Darren's walking home And bang bang Yeah Get shot It's stumpy

Drives off We're like Darren's dead I got excited Darren's dead At the end And then like All the little munchkins

Come out It's like Darren's dead He's dead Yeah Yeah A wizard of Oz That's basically

The first season Yeah For first season It's great And it only gets Better from there It gets a lot better Yeah, yeah, like season one's definitely the weakest

But again, they're still finding their feet But there's some genuinely good stuff in it Like, you know There's some very good stuff and there's some nice little scenes They don't need to be in it But like, like, let's say When Nage and Trish are like Finding a venue for their wedding

Yeah And I always like this kind of like One class in somewhere where they're not supposed to be So like... Yeah, it's kind of like very upper class And then they're like, well, this room is actually $20,000 euro And Nage just whips out of water cash like

cash out of it. right pal yeah just lays it down cash will be perfectly fine so they even play it off or he gives

like 2,000 quid to that woman and she's like ooh and then puts it in her notebooks like oh

she just he just sticks it in her bra there you go love yeah yeah just slaps her on the ass

as she walks Nigel ah Teresa I'm only messing me sorry yeah there's some great

stuff yeah yeah it's a lot of fun it's a fun show definitely one of the

best things RT is ever produced. Watch it on the player. Yeah. It's the only thing Orte have done that we actually sold

to other networks. Yeah. And we're actually work in other networks, you know? I'm just annoyed that, you know, I think they could still do something,

but... I kind of hope they don't. Do you think? But like, I don't know. Unless it's a... Season 5, not to jump ahead

and not to spoil anything. But the way of season 5 ends just has this very abruptness and it feels a little bit, I'm not sure if that was their intention. I don't think it was. I don't think it was.

I don't think it was. I don't think it was. don't think they intended to leave it at season five. I think there was more to be developed. Maybe just one more season even, but it's too late. Well, listen, we're going to wrap this up in a minute. I will say, the way this

is going to work now, for the next few weeks, we're going to do season by season. Yeah. And then we're going to do an episode where we do what could happen in season six. Okay. I like that. Different ideas and theories. Yeah. But I'll just give you a little hint of what I'm thinking. Yeah. Fran, El Camino.

Okay. he just it happens like five minutes after that shower scene he just limping like oh Jesus

I've about to pick what you need you oh god give me a fucking cushion there will you for Christ's sake yeah yeah yeah

God that's a grim scene but anyway we'll get to that oh we will get to that we might just do a whole episode on that scene

moment by moment every agonizing painful freeze frame zoom in we'll reenact the scene we'll bring in someone and that's why we're not allowed back in the

snooker hall yeah we'll bring in someone like we're going to reenact a scene from a TV show well that sounds fun yeah now sign the documents cool

and he's like why is there plastic everywhere oh you'll see yeah get on boys are you a fan of Ronnie O'Sullivan not that it'll matter okay

let's rock his own yeah well so that was love hate season one yeah and it was going to be more coming soon enough. Yeah, yeah. We are going to go to a party soon. We're going to a party.

We're going to fight to a party and we're going to reenact it. I've got my pool cue and just you're going to be wearing a towel. Yeah, oh, I can't wait. So anyway, that's love hit guys. It's love hit.

Coming up next, season two. Season two, all right, good look.