Brian and James Fuck Each Other - Episode 91 : The Shining with Kevin Larney

Episode Date: October 24, 2020

This is an episode we had to record on Skype cause Ireland went into lockdown again, everything is a little more shite and the energy is down but please stay with us, we love you.

did a couple did a couple just not it's just it's just not the same it's basically like an online gig is basically like this what we're doing right now you're just talking shied into your computer with other people you know it's not there's no audience or yeah and look don't get me wrong fair play at everybody who runs them and stuff because i think you know comedians needed it just to have something but like it's just you couldn't compare the two really but that on an actual live gig is just not the same um yeah it's just a watered down version so um the shining directed in 1980 by staneland oh tool master of the segues i love it yeah oh i know shining guys do you like the shining i like the shining i love it i love it yeah it's it's one of those movies that probably like a lot of movies i definitely saw the simpsons version of it before i saw the film

probably a good before. I think that's our entire generation. I think so, yeah. That show really is a lot to answer for. We know a lot of movies you watching are like, oh, the Simpsons parody was much better.

Yes. And it's actually ruined this movie now. I can't take it seriously. The Shining is still great. There's one... Yeah, that's the thing. The Shining, you know, it's not ruined in any way

by the parody. That's just testament to how good the film is. But, yeah. There's one bit of, particular I'm thinking of in The Simpsons where they've got James Bond or James Bunn, I think they call him and he's strapped down to like a table

and there's a laser, you know, like slowly going up the table towards his crotch and he like flicks a coin and it divides the laser and splits the cuffs and he runs off. And have you ever seen that for them? I don't know which one. I think it's a moon raker. And I finally... No, it's Goldfinger. It's a goldfinger. And he's

strapped to the table and they're about to laser him and he just says like or uh go yeah he gives away the name of the uh the mission they're doing or something but he doesn't know what it means he just says a word and they're like whoa turn off that laser what do you mean explain yourself yeah like that's every case which is totally bitches i was like please i fucking suck your name please no laser me man please he's just it's such a fucking that was a big letdown but the shining not it just gives them like all the m i five documents here. Here's everything I got, please.

Just let me go. Your name's location. That's a James Bond. I would watch. I would identify with that much more. If he was just like a pathetic little weasel who's just like that's the way he got out of all of his problems just like by wrapping out like the mission the whole time.

Yeah, exactly. Kill the girl, not me. I feel like that is his attitude though. yeah boy he hides it he does it with Scottish accent yeah yeah um I was really looking forward to a new Bond movie

but now it's been delayed again but uh but I can tell this isn't this isn't the Shining this is a this is Bon talk the Shining uh although there's a new was there a sequel to that recently was that also today

Doctor Sleeke yeah yeah but uh well how do you feel about the Shining Brian I love it But what I want to know is, would you actually do it? Would you stay in that hotel for that amount of time? I mean, we kind of are doing that now in lockdown. Yeah, kind of our entire lives are like a less cinematic version of the shining.

You know, there's not the set design isn't as elegant and the cinematography isn't as good. But it is as depressing and sad for all of us. Yeah, and actually, they were in a big nice hotel. Yeah. Yeah. just in the gaff they were I mean

how long is it again that he has to stay there like over the winter so yeah the whole winter it's yes it's about three months three to four months

I'm not sure if they specify yeah it's probably nutty he has a TV yeah that's right and the typewriter

yeah I taught for some reason I thought he had no TV or not in but now he's got TV bring some books so only 19

is bringing the family that's the only thing he should have went up there by himself yeah by yourself yeah you got that annoying son wandering around yeah

yeah little daddy were that hysterical woman given it all that yep yep yep did you abuse our son excuse me miss I'm trying to write a novel here

yeah I'd say Brian you got that no TV thing from the Simpsons no I didn't get that actually no good that's that's the line no use in that episode yeah yeah I get to you okay yeah no TV no beer

yeah the shining doll it'd be so funny if Brian has made all of his notes on the Simpsons and he just doesn't get that the film exists outside of that world yeah I call Kubrick just guest directed an animated TV show yeah

like a 10 minute segment of an animated TV show yeah when I watched the actual film I'm like where's Homer Wait, when does Willie show up? I don't remember Grounds Killer Keeper Willie having that tan. What's going on here? He's meant to be Scottish.

This is all wrong. So, anyway, yeah. So anyway, The Shining, okay? So we start off with Jack Torrance, okay? And he's played by Jack Nicholson. Yes. this was not like the first choice was Nicholson but the backup okay

if they couldn't get him was between Robin Williams Harrison Ford and De Niro now the trade there you know do it I think Robin Williams probably well no De Niro it's got to be De Niro

De Niro is in the same class because this is like 1980 he's still doing really good work at that time Robin Williams is a bit too silly I wouldn't even rate Harrison Ford he would be a bit too like whatever I think I don't know I'm interested to watch

like if there was like a reel of them doing auditions I'd love to watch it yeah well what was like what was Robin Williams doing around that time like coke a lot of coke

1980 that's still Mork and Mindy isn't it Robin Williams like yeah he's doing He's doing Popeye. Yeah, I don't think, like, maybe later... I know, it's interesting.

Shelly Deval played his wife and Popeye. Ah, there you go. She actually does look like, what a year that must have been for her. The Shining and then Papa, and she was definitely like... Have you seen her recently? Papa's going to make me.

Everyone knows Popeye. No one's ever heard of Stephen King. What's Shelley Deval looking like now? Well, have you not seen... Not good. Oh. She's had a full-blown mental break. down and she basically blames Stanley Kubrick for it.

Oh, wow. Oh, shit. Yeah, she actually, I'm looking at it. Look up Sally Duvall now. I am. No, I'm looking at her. She looks like the woman that attacks Jack Nicholson half, which read this film. Yeah. Well, Kubrick was like notoriously hard on her through the whole shoot because he wanted her to basically have a mental breakdown because it looked good in the film. He was kind of notorious for really fucking with his actors like that. Basically, he saw actors as props, I think.

Good. Yeah, I mean, that's how you get good films. Yeah. We just have, what do you want, James? Just like 30 years of Popeye remix. We need directors to treat human beings like garbage so that we can have good things to watch.

Well, I'm pretty sure Stanley Kubrick is the only film director in history to ever be mean to the actors, think. Everyone Hells acted very accordingly and were very pleasant. Yes, he's the one standard. And you know what? That's why he's the best. Everyone on the set of Transformers

felt very respected and you know, yeah, anyway. Luck, we're getting off track. Let's get back to his show. Okay, so he decides to take a job, mind this hotel. Even though they tell him, look, hey, by the way, and it's not a big deal, but the last guy who did it murdered his wife and twins.

Yeah But no big deal You still want to do it You still want to bring your family And Nicholson's like Yeah, of course, definitely Why wouldn't it? Of course, yeah, I'm not a

Beep, I ain't no sissy Yeah I'm not a Nancy ball Yeah, I'll do it That Nicholson in the past Had a little bit of an incident With Danny, his son Where you know

Danny kind of put his arm the wrong way And got, you know, got dislocated And Yeah, you know, It's not Nicholson's fault. No, it happens. No. Yeah.

The kid was being a real, a real wise ass. Real S-O-B. Yeah, it's been a real wiser. Hey, smart mouth, huh? Yeah. Well, do they all right, do they allude to that really early, basically that Jack Nicholson is a alcoholic who, like, dislocated the son's shoulder or whatever? Yeah, Jack did a, in a drunken...

done. Well, he's off to drink, yeah. Yeah. And in the book, they also say that he lost his teaching job because he didn't learn a whoopsie. Oh, like he attacked another kid. On the book, yeah. They don't say what it was? No, just say he got a little bit drunk and violent for the kid. Wait, Brian, did you read a book? Years ago, yeah. Oh, don't, oh, you nerd. Oh, but I bang the chick afterwards. okay I'll allow it sure no I read me on there for a second there

seven I read it book and then 12 years later I banged a chick because that cancels that out yeah I'm just picturing you you're in there

just been like have you ever read The Shining it doesn't matter it doesn't matter but um so they head to the hotel and they meet Scatman yeah

Scatman Crothers is he and he is he the one to tell them that the previous tenants died or did they do tell him that in the meeting actually before he goes up yeah yeah like so it's the guy Olman is the guy who like owns

the hotel and he sits him down and tells him everything that happened but then uh Dick Halleran played by Skadman Crothers he sort of shows around like Wendy and Danny and then he kind of sits Danny down and says look there's some wild shit

popping off in this place yeah that's verbatim that's exactly what he does You were going to do O'Halloran What's his name O'Halloran? Oh, halleran. No, it's Dick Halloran.

Dick Halloran. We're going to do a prequel series about him. Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah, and then Dr. Slebe kind of filled the box off and they were like, nah.

Yeah. I mean, it's such an unnecessary film. The Shining is such a classic. Why try to hinder its legacy with a piece of shit sequel? I need to know Dick Hale. Aaron's backstory. Yeah, I want to see him

in the 70s slapping a few bitches. Yeah. With his mind, he doesn't he have to use his fist? You see that one scene of his room and doesn't he have like some

he's got a lot of foxy ladies hanging on his hanging on his wall. Yeah, he's got a groovy room. Yes. Yeah. Two black women,

two naked black women on his wall. Yeah, that's the guy I wanted to know more about. I want to see a prequel. Where did those portraits come from? You know, where are those women now?

The thing is, he's in a hotel. At that scene, that's a hotel. Did he bring those with him, or is he just staying in the coolest hotel ever? So he hangs him up when he gets in. Another weird thing about that film, if you actually re-watch the- If you re-watch the scene, there's four lamps in the bedroom. One, like, at each corner of the bed, basically.

It's very weird. The whole layout of his hotel room is bizarre. But anyway. White and Kubrick meant It's kind of inside baseball It's just It's strange But anyway

Whatever Yeah It seems like a very Sensual hotel though It is It's very nicely lit But anyway Look where are we

So they're He takes the job Yeah They're in the hotel now And it looks It looks pretty nice He got loads of food And

Damny's seen dead twins In his imagination Yeah And Twins that's pretty hot yeah yeah

Danny's like I gotta get their phone and he's right now sweet little writer it just it would have been great if there was a scene like an animal house

where Danny's climbing up the ladder just looking in at the window at the twins he turns around and looks at the camera and kind of raises his eyebrow you know

yeah yeah Kubrick didn't want to have fun with it he was very serious all over yes yeah yeah exactly yeah

and he should have had sunglasses the whole time we were cycling around on that tricycle and this is the 2020 Red Bob So Jack as you're saying as a writer He's working on the project Yeah

And he's trying to work on it And Wendy, his wife has been very chipper Yeah Yeah she's very like Oh we're just going to make the best of a bad situation Huh hon Why don't you get the fuck out out of my room, you bitch.

He's, like, incredibly hostile to them almost immediately. There's no real progression of anger. He's kind of a dickhead from the very start. Well, that was great. He's a dickhead before it starts. Oh.

What's that? Because I think the whole, like, him dislocating Danny's arm. That happens, like, pretty soon before the events of the film. So isn't it, like, within... Oh, yeah. It was, like, a couple of months ago, I think. So she's, like, he's a violent alcoholic he's been dry for a couple of weeks i think the best thing this man needs is

isolation isolation and me and his son slash victim yeah it's a good point um but what is that is that what were you saying about stephen king stephen king didn't like this film because he said uh um uh jack should have been friendly at the start he was too cold and then okay yeah Stephen King probably is with the benefit of like

he probably sat down and watched that film was like no I don't like this I don't I don't know he should have been he should be friendier at the start and then someone was like is that how he written

the book he's like oh fuck yeah I wrote this that man was so poked out he's really the only like author who can go see films based on his books and like be as surprise as anyone else yeah well like didn't Kubrick

pretty much there is so much in the book that he basically abandoned and then he added all of his own stuff like the maize and the way it ends and everything like a lot of it was very different wasn't it? For the better. Yeah. I haven't read the book

but I love the film so I'll agree. There's like statues moving around and stuff remember that? Is that where the famous is that book with the turtles all the way down? Is that that Stephen King one or is that it? That's eight.

I suppose you've read all the books Brian cover to cover no there's a lot of them we read good for you yeah you're a dork Brian just admit it you're a dork I bet you shouldn't be on the podcast

with two legends like me and Larnie we win awards baby you're out there reading books like a like a Nancy boy we're winning awards book reader I'll burn all the books for you I'll film it just to show

what I'm cool excellent um but so he's he's in there he's straightaway he's in lloyd because he's kind of failed this is bullshit there's no drink here this is bullshit so he starts he goes to the bar okay and he imagines a barman lloyd yes and he actually calls his wife the old sperm bank well i'll interject some say that he's calling

Danny the sperm bank. Have you heard that theory? Oh yeah. What? Tell me more. Okay. So yeah, you know, just having a problem with the old sperm bank upstairs and then he immediately just starts talking about how that he hit Danny or whatever. So it's like some fucking people are like, oh, that means he's talking about Danny.

is like there's absolutely no logic behind the reasoning whatsoever but people just like to throw like there's so many weird theories about this film like obviously i'm sure you heard that whole moon landing thing and like this film really brings the crazies out of the woodwork but that's why you gotta love it you know although right so the moon landing thing i always thought that was mad but i saw it 2001 a space odyssey for the first time like maybe two years ago and yes and now i understand it i mean the moon the moon landing looked like dog shit compared to that for them. Enough of them came out. Two years before the moon landing, I think? Or, like, right after. Yeah, it was. Yeah. So, I mean, I always thought it was just this.

Like, I was like, why, why Kubrick is this mad? Like, it looks way better. I think he had to totally. Oh, yeah, 100%. Well, what people say is, if it was by Kubrick, there wouldn't be any mistakes in it, and it would look way better. Yeah. The fact that looks kind of shitty is, like, proof that's real.

He just gave any... Yeah, yeah, because... He bollocked Neil, Armstrong. That's why he was such a quiet man when he got back from the moon. He was just chastised by Kubrick. I don't know why he's got back from the moon as if Kubrick was like,

yes, I'll do your film. I'll film the moon landing, but we actually have to do it on location because I'm an otter. And he made them go to the room. And there's a bit when Neil Armstrong turns to the cameras. It could go a bit of trouble with the old sperm bank. So he's talking to

Lloyd. We kind of jumped a bit, though. This is a bit in now. We haven't, like, missed out on anything yet, have we? No, he kind of goes mad very quickly. Yeah. He's been asked him one question, he's like, that's it, I'm going insane. I'm making the choice to go insane. Time to hallucinate.

So he goes to the bar, and he actually, like, puts his head down the counter and says, God, I'd sell my soul for a glass of beer. So then the ghost appears, so there's that kind of Faustian packed angle, you know, that it's a deal with the devil. He basically

agrees to murder his family on behalf of the sinister elements of the hotel because he gets a nice glass of scotch. Very good. Very good. Very nice. They also used the words white man burden. Thank you so much. They used the words

white man's burden. Yeah. Yeah. Well, another element It's on an Indian burial ground, isn't course? Yeah, it's like they're it's built on an Indian ancient Indian burial ground. There's a lot of like Native American

symbolism and iconography like all throughout the set design. So like people have said, you know, this is obviously a very strong commentary on the Native American genocide. And also about the Holocaust as well, people have kind of pointed out that there are a lot of things that alludes to that. But isn't that the whole

theme of the film like past you know, histories of violence and trauma linger and affect, you know, the generations that follow. It's kind of like a big theme of the whole film, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, it's setting up the place

as kind of bad vibes, man. Yeah, bad vibes, yo. You wouldn't want to take shrooms the Overlock hotel. No, but I do, I like the angle they went with where, like, he doesn't break a step, but Lloyd appears and offers him.

Like, there's no, oh, what? A go-g-g-go-go-go-go. Like, he's just, he just goes with it he's very comfortable yeah exactly he doesn't spit up

and then like ask Lloyd for scooby snacks he's just straight in no mess and here's a man who's offering me a drink I'm not gonna be rude and ask him

where he came from let's just go with it are you an apparition am I going mental no you just want to drink keb you're right actually because like after that the next thing

he sees like just a naked woman getting out of the bat And he's like, yeah. Yeah, straight in. This is great, you know. She's not going to turn into an old date. And is, I don't know if I'm jumping ahead here. Does he go to that room because Danny told him he was attacked there?

Or does he find it before that? James, do you know this? I'm, well, see, I think while he's going, there's like a bit of cross-cutting here, if I remember it rightly. So we see Halloran in his hotel room who's like, like he's shining, right? So he's picturing what Danny's picturing. And then it cuts to Danny and Danny's like having,

he's got that little seizure face and he's got like spit coming out of his mouth. And then we see like fucking Jack Nicholson going into the room. So there's kind of a debate like is Jack actually going in or are we just seeing, you know, like a dream or like Danny kind of fantasizing or a shining or whatever. So there's a lot of, that's the whole thing about the film. Like there's so much,

there's a lot of intentional. ambiguity put around it is like is this actually happening is somebody just fantasizing it you don't really know it's kind of that's the whole thing like the whole place the movie is a labyrinth and it's set in the labyrinth of a whole hell

spit on his face you know the spit on his face sperm bank oh there you go yeah yeah yeah yeah yes there's another theory that the yeah oh yeah that he's isn't there an early scene where he's

like lying on a bear and then at the end when the things say that the weird bear giving the man a blowjob

is actually symbolic of the sexual abuse Danny has suffered at the hands of his father which to be honest right I mean there's a lot

of stuff in this movie that like say I directed this film people would be like that doesn't make any sense you did oh my god yeah

but like isn't there a whole thing about how that the layout of the the labyrinth doesn't make sense. Yeah, this is a bit. I love it.

Yeah. Right, yeah, Brian, you love it and you fucking, you and all these film nerds get hard and like, he's such a genius. He made the set design. It doesn't even make sense. But if I made a set design, it didn't make sense. People are like, you're an idiot and a bad director. Like, you go out of one room and then there's a window that shouldn't be there.

And everyone's like, Kubrick. Bravo. You're an o-tour. This is fantastic. Well, it is just kind of testament to how notorious he was for how meticulous he was for how meticulous he was, like, he was, like, anal retentive, obsessive, compulsive kind of guy, like, he was, he was

sloppy and he had a good P-R man. That's all that this is. That's actually, I prefer that, I prefer that, yeah. You know, it's interesting as well as, it's, so this is right after Barry Lyndon. Yeah. So if you see Barry Lyndon, it's not really a mainstream

film. It's a three-hour film about a guy slowly rising up the ranks in class and society. It's not exactly like, you know, it's not Star Wars. No. Yeah. So this was, this was Kubrick's attempt to be mainstream. The Shining is his attempt to

a popcorn blockbuster. Yeah. I would say this film achieves it more than all of his other films, though. I think it does play like a straight psychological horror that has a lot of thrills for a mainstream audience, but then

it works on a more cerebral level that you can kind of debate what he, you know, different things mean, etc. But just as a standalone you know, piece of entertainment, I think it works is, you know, definitely his biggest, most mainstream appeal type film. I don't know.

Could be wrong. I just love it so much that... There's certainly less like lengthy, psychedelic shots of a baby in space. Like, it's more, you're right, like even if you're taking it apart, it is just a sort of interesting film. But yeah, I was reading

about Barry Lyndon recently, actually. I think he was It was filmed in Waterford. And he was going to do a time piece about something. And then someone else did it so we gave up and did it. But I don't remember enough of it. The Aryan Papers, no? I don't know. I think that was a bit later, actually.

I don't know. So at the time of The Shining, so this is supposed to be a big mainstream blackbuster, had there been any other Stephen King out of, that have done well before that, because that's not really... So, yes. Yeah. I'm just guessing

maybe Christine and a few other things. Carrey? It was misery. Yeah, definitely, yeah. So, like, King was already the King of horror. That's why Cuberon picked the Stephen King novel, because he's, like, the biggest mainstream horror novelist you can find. Yeah, yeah.

Cuberks, like, want to make some fucking dosh. this is me cash but a simple bubble gum movie for the masses I won't even bother designing the set

properly I'm phoning this one in that's fucking in and out two weeks I'm just gonna let my brother do the architecture he's a bit simple

but I owe mom a favor so I'll let him I'll let him do it yeah do whatever you want yeah do whatever you want I don't care Yes, guys, you're right. Carrie was the first adaptation of a Stephen King novel and then The Shining.

Okay. Carrie was a big success. So I'd say he probably, you know, people were eager or like were very willing to allow, yeah, let's do another big movie about a Stephen King book and it'll probably hit big. Even back in 1980 will be like, it's written by, it's based on a Stephen King book. Nice. Let's go. bring my girl

try the old popcorn trick yeah at the shining yeah like when you know that he's kissing old but you kind of fuck it up and you bring a bag of Manhattan popcorn instead of the box and like it just doesn't work as well trust me

don't get cayenne pepper on your popcorn anyway so where are we now in the film we're going along kind of skipping a bit here. We're going along and he's becoming more and more mad and he goes back for another drink but this time the place is full. The ballroom

is full. It's like a big 1920s elegant ball and it's full of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And everyone's great. The barman's back. He's getting another drink and then a waiter spills shit on him so he has to go into the bathroom. He cleaned

off. Yeah. And that's when he meets finds out that the waiter is called Grady. Remember his name? Yeah. Yeah. He's the guy who killed his family. Or is he? I don't know. I thought he was until he said or is he.

That really threw me. Well, no. See, when he first gets the job, right, Olman tells him that the previous caretaker Charles Grady murdered his family. But then the waiter that spills a drink on him reveals himself to be Delbert Grady and says that he's

different person. So then that kind of ties in the whole theme of reincarnation that the evil manifests itself in repetition and like just personifies through different people or blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know what I mean. You know what I'm talking. I know what I'm talking.

I think I was never picked up on that before. Yeah. He says he's Delbert Grady, yeah. Well, maybe he's just really made. Yeah, it's Delbert Grady, but he also killed his twins. yeah so two brady's killed two sets of twins coincidences so Charles Brady is a bit of a hack in comparison

if you'll pardon the pun because he's very derivative of delt that that's why you want a competition he's a copycat yeah that's my award the awards baby yeah yeah and that scene is beautiful with the the red bathroom that's a I wouldn't mind having a piss in there let me tell you you feel so fancy you would

you wouldn't I actually probably could go it walk in and I'd walk right back out again and I'd say you'd

kill your children and go into a nice bathroom like that you would yeah you could wipe your bloody hands

on the wall no one would even know yeah or if you had like a bladder infection pissing blood

yeah didn't show up I don't what did you say Brian I was saying Kubrick's such a good he made the shitter

look good yeah and he probably reduce someone to tears over making that bathroom look as good as it did and it was worth it. I hope so. It was. Brady, Delbert also uses the N-word.

Yeah. He does. Yeah. Bad. Are you aware, Mr. Torrance, that your son plans to bring in a beep. A beep? That's right. Yeah. I'm not going to quote the full thing, but yeah, he does. He drops

the N-baum. Yeah, that turned me off, Grady. Yeah. When he murdered, as twins, I was like, okay, all right, it's, it's contextual. Everyone has an off day, sure. Everyone was murdered in the twins right then, but then you dropped the end word and I was like, no, thank you. I'm out of here. No, thanks. Yeah.

More like degradey, because that word is not okay. Nice. I wish it had been a Def Jam comic back in the 60s. They would have loved that. They would have loved that. Yeah. And then he says, he's a big. and then everyone will be like, I haven't seen that film yet

and what's a beep? Yeah, well, like, I really hope anybody listen to this has seen the film because we're doing a very poor job of describing how rich and dense and wonderfully put together the whole thing is.

We're just like, yes, and he beats a ghost and, I don't know, called the N-word or whatever, I don't know. And there's some little kid being a little prick. the kids we didn't even talk about the kids in physical friend who lives in his finger oh yeah Tony

yeah which is a great name considering his name's like Danny Torrance and then his imaginary friends Tony it's a bit of a letdown I guess yeah yeah not much of imaginary friend but not much imagination was involved was there Danny no

Danny is a real a real piece of shit yeah I'm not sure if we've conveyed this yet, but Danny's psychic, by the way. Yeah, he's a little freak. He's got weird powers. So you know, if anything

Jack Torrance is doing right by beating the shit out of him, trying to beat the weirdo out of him, you know? Your little nut job. Hey, you straighten them out. I mean, Danny today he spent a long

and fruitful life working as a manager of a regional bank. He had a wife and two kids. And he only dressed up... He just takes his medication every day and he's grand. He's fine, you know? He got into watercolors in his 60s. He's a well-rounded individual.

So, Wendy, speaking of well-round individuals, Wendy finds what Jack has been working on. Oh, yeah. And she doesn't appreciate his work. Yeah, which is a bit, like... It's a pretty good. it's an easy book to read I know you'd love it Brian it's really long

well it's all work in no play makes Jack a dull boy and I bet you could actually sell that and be like no it's it's to calm your brain so you read that over and over again and it calms you down and if you sold it like that it would sell it yeah

that'd be a good self-help book and I like as well how like it's in different formats as well like so somebody really had to meticulously type that over and over again like with different fonts different spacing and stuff

yeah it's uh yeah he he didn't another no i think kubrick would stand over someone and make them do it and then shout at them them when they did it wrong and then at the very end go wrong do it again yeah yeah he'd make

them do it for real to get that real like crazy intensity but um so like i think his whole he doesn't even try to write a book then he straight away much like he straight away was mad his like first sentence he's all working no play he's kind of like

I suppose this is what we all learned during lockdown one like he can have all these ideas you're like if only I had the time if only I didn't have distractions of you know work and friends and modernity I'd write the great Irish novel and then

you get stuck in lockdown and quarantine there's nothing happening and you still don't do anything he had yeah he wanted to write a book and he like that's the reason takes the job is so they can just have peace and quiet to himself to write, and then he can't do it because he's a fucking terrible writer.

He just goes straight into it. Yeah, I feel like... Well, I would argue, Kevin, that all the greats procrastinate to some extent, you know, maybe some do their taxes, others murder the family. I mean, every

writer has their own process, you know? You have to learn to respect it. That is true. Who am I to laugh at this brocy. He did produce that great the great work all work and no play one of the great American novels.

Yeah. So Jack finds Wendy and he threatens to bash her brains in. Yes. Yes. And then Wendy puts him in a fridge. Yeah. Yeah.

You're really, you nailed it. That just encapsulated the whole thing. pretty much what happens. That's exactly what happens. Nothing else to really delve into there. There's a very unsettling scene that kind of, I guess it plays into the

whole what he might have done to Danny when Danny goes up to the room and like Jack's supposed to be sleeping and he calls him over to sit in his lap. That's, maybe it's because I was watching it kind of having read these things or I don't know, but there's something really unsettling about that, even though like

nothing. Very unsettling. Yeah. Like, even though the music that's playing is, like, intentionally very unsettling. You think at any minute he could, like, pick him up and throw him out the window. And just even the way that he interacts with his son, you know, he's kind of speaking, like, there's a real malevolence in his eyes or something. It is, it's very unsettling. You get to sense he could hit him any seconds. Yeah, yeah. And you want him to.

That's what scares you most. You want to see it. Like, yeah, do it. Do it, Jack. Show him his boss. Who wears the trousers in this hotel? I'm about to show you as I take my belt off, you little tramp. Well, sorry, I kind of...

Jack's in the fridge. Jack's in a fridge. Yeah. And he talks and goats and they open the door for him. Yes. At least we think so. Or do they? You don't actually door opening.

We just hear the noise of it opening. Yeah. There's a theory that Danny actually opens the door. because he's more consciously murdering his father than he lets on. But again, that's just yeah, no, that is definitely

a theory that people put out there, like, because Danny obviously through the ability of shining, he sees what his father is going to do. So in order to protect his mother and himself, I think he knows about learning him out into the maze. Again, another theory, no way

to corroborate. It's just kind of that's a pretty stupid plan. James, if you're going to, like, I can see that my father's going to murder my mother, and he's currently locked in a freezer. I'll let him out, and then wait for him to get trapped in another place, and then kill him. Why wouldn't he just fucking leave him in the

freezer? You're right. It's a good point. It is very flawed logic. Again, that's not my theory. I, you're very, very astute, Kevin. He made me look like a dickhead. Well done. Oh, here he comes. Delvin's next top comic, 2020.

thinks he can shit on 2019 because I'm an old dog out of the old you're part of the old family boy I'm fucking putting you out to pasture the old school you're yeah

you're kicking in the doors to show this old man how it's done and then Brian's going to come along in January 2020 and be like this near your farts this is what really happened

I read a book yeah y'all do you even know that that movie was based on his book. Is there anything to be said about the fact that he's, yeah, he's trapped in a freezer, a cold place, some would say. And then at the end, he's trapped in a maze

and freezes the death. Yeah. Maybe. He's trapped in two cool places. That's all I got. To try, Terry, and then a park. No, no, it's a fair theory and James's theory.

Yeah. It's not my theory, dickhead. It's one of the many theories put out there, which you would know if you did your fucking research, you tramp. keep her mouth shut until somebody's talk to you.

No, it's funny. I was listening to one podcast about The Shining and they said that the scene of the ghosts opening the door is the only supernatural thing that happens in the film.

Yes, that's what I was going to say and they completely forgot about the whole shining aspect. Well, that's the only time where like the ghosts where it's sort of like the lines properly cross over between the supernatural doing stuff.

Apart from the fact that the kid can telepathetic communicate. It's a random food. Psychic powers through the whole film. Yeah, but that's not... Well, you could make the argument that the psychic powers are really just like, you know, mental illness, schizophrenic delusions, you know, you could argue that. I think if like, if you took that kid to a psychiatrist, that's what they would say. So for the skeptics, they kind of have that. Whereas like that one bit where the ghosts

let them out of the fridge really is like the one proper... This is a supernatural element and can't be experienced. playing any other way. Yeah, there's no other way you could have got out there, apart from. I think Daniel... Or if Danny let him out. And they do I would just like to say it wasn't my theory. You guys are

really like, there's a lot of resentment and contempt coming from both of you. It's like, Danny didn't let him out James, your retard. It's like, I didn't say he did. I just said that that's a theory. But I'm doing a Harvard citation of this conversation later on. I just need to like

take note of the time and date. the James Caden theory. I don't know if Jamescadden Theories.com. I don't know if that domain's been taken already, but I'll be putting up some hot... It has. Yeah, it is. By me, actually,

I tried to tie in JFK and 9-11 to the moon landing conspiracy and implicate Kubrick in all of them. And no, it's not a very popular website. I'll just say that. It just says Kubrick did it all. yeah okay so the ghosts let

jack out of the fridge yeah jack gets an axe and starts run around the place going wild and then he starts smashing the door while Wendy and Danny are trying to get out yeah interesting facts okay one they first use a fake door

and Jack smashed it too quickly because he used to be a volunteer fireman oh yeah so instead he was a real door I mean, yeah, I guess why not? I suppose if you're doing multiple takes, that's a lot of doors to go through, but... It's not onto Jack.

Jack's used of breaking down doors and frightening women. Yeah, he's a volunteer of fireman and a bit of a drunk. Yeah. And also the here's Johnny line was improvised. That's true, yeah, ad-lib did, yeah. Pretty iconic line. indeed yeah well it was already very well known because of it's was it ed McMahon that's how he

announced johnny carson on the tonight show here's johnny here's johnny um yeah apparently kubrick was like unaware of that which i don't know how true that is but that's why he left it in the film because he had never watched johnny carson apparently so he never put two to it together huh that seems like a very kubrick thing to like not watched uh yeah yeah exactly Or at least to pretend not have watched it. Yeah. Scatman shows up, dead. Yeah, immediately.

Which is pretty funny. Yeah. A bit of a joke, a bit of a laugh. Yeah. But he does... So he gets up there on the bobcat, does he? Which means that the other two... Which does help the other two a bit.

Yeah. Well, I mean, it is part of the plot. It's not like, here's a bit of a joke for you. A black man dies. But it is a part of the plot. kind of funny acts in the heart I always forget

it's in the heart as well I always think it's in the back so when he goes in the heart I'm always like Jesus

sure he's dead yeah it's very great it's uh yeah yeah but it is

kind of funny plot point and the whole film you see these updates of him on his way to save them

and then he he can't he just fails it's funny he does he does the exact same thing in misery

yeah oh really he had a lot of themes Stephen King. A lot of his books were just like, a famous writer takes a lot of drugs and then some weird things happen.

A famous sexy writer with a big dick is getting annoyed by his family. Yeah. Yeah. His name was Stefan Prince and he had a dick the size of my next novel. Let's get to the most important part of this film, okay?

When he's running around, like a headless chicken, you know, she loves to a room, She sees a bear. Well, I used to be giving fallatio to a man the suit. Yeah. Guys, why do you think? That was the one scene that properly unsettled me. I think I'd seen it before, but the first time I, like,

properly saw the film was in. It is. It's very unsettling. But I think. That was, like, the first thing. And they're, like, really messy. It has its root in the book, though, doesn't it? Like, because.

Because it doesn't really explain what it is in the film. But it's something to do with, like, they're used. Oh, yeah, so it's just interesting that he kept that element. Yeah, yeah. Well, Brian, you know, I'm sure you've memorized it. Is there something about like Swinger parties in the book? I remember Swinger parties. I don't remember the bear.

But, I mean, what's scary? See, it wasn't a bear. It was a dog. He had him dressed like a dog in the book. Oh, but then Kubrick was like, I here have bears the gay community so I can put two and two together. Oh, sure, yeah. Yeah, and then that's not supposed to be connected. theory of the sexual abuse comes from because that guy's dressed like a bear and then like

bears show up like there's a picture of bears in Danny's room and then when he's been examined by the nurse he's lying on top of a huge teddy bear so like people have made that like thematic connection like that's Kubrick's way of conveying not only physical abuse but sexual abuse at the hands of the alcoholic Jack Torrance again I think that's a great theory very retinuous links, I would say. What? Yeah, James, this is a pretty good theory. Hang on, Kevin, if you're one second.

What do you say, Brian? I said this is a great theory. You've completely brought back. Like, you've redeemed yourself. Yeah. Yeah, I bet that's what you said. Yeah. Well, just so you know, we're reporting this

so I can listen back. Yeah, actually. Yeah, I think you're all over my eyes or two. I'll tell you that. I thought you'd stop them, James, to, like, get him to repeat his accolades. But, um, yeah, that's, that is and the scene where he gets into Sydney does kind of feed into that idea that there's

something untoward this murderous madman yeah but um yeah i don't know and then so at what stage where does the red rum scene come into it that was earlier that was much earlier yeah that's another i guess forget about that we're past we're done i mean what we're gonna say is that yeah he says red rum Well, it's murder in the mirror. That's another pretty iconic scene. He's got his weird finger talking. It is a very iconic scene. And it's also the most famous use of the mirrors,

but obviously mirrors are used a lot in this film. They kind of symbolize showing the true intentions or the true nature of the characters. Like they're shown a lot reflected in mirrors to show separation between them. And also, like, you know, in the bar where Jack Nicholson sees the ghosts, he's in front of a mirror. So it's like, we see the real dark underbelly of it. There's always mirrors involved.

So the red rum thing is very iconic, but I can show to us for the twins. He only actually had one girl and then a mirror. Is that right? Yeah, yeah. He just hired one. That's cool. I didn't know. That's not true.

No, but that's, that's my theory, James. I'm not the only one who can come up with TV. Wait, it's not true. It's not true. It was two girls. But it's not true. He didn't just have one girl. Oh, it's just a foolish.

Yeah. I suppose, yeah. I don't know. Holding hands. It's not the most of the fosters thing. That's definitely something that gets done. Like, you know, the fucking Winklevoss twins and social network. Yeah, that's not a urge.

No, I'm an idiot. I'll admit it. I'm a retard. Ha, ha, ha. Fuck. You know what? when you hear film people talk about like it's all smoke and mirrors

it's not literally smoking and mirrors they use like fancy computer generated technology you watch the Irish man that you smoke to make him look younger yes yeah they filled the room with smoke so you couldn't see the Nero and you're like

I bet he's probably young I'd imagine he's a bit 30 yet for some reason he walks like an 80 year old man yeah so where are we now the run around the maze it's all gone mental just go back

to the bear thing though like is there anything else to be said about it apart from that theory I'll tell you I looked up now the bear that Danny has well one of the bears in the shiny is Winnie the Pooh yeah

okay and here's a fact children who've been molested sometimes hold their shit what is like literal shit. Yeah, they'll shit in their hand a lot. Okay.

Are you serious? Yeah, that's true. I don't know, but these are, you're fucking stretch armstrong here. Very tenuous links here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's my tier. And I'm the asshole for saying Danny let him out of the fridge.

So, so the escape, so is this before, I think it might be in the extended version. Is it, or there's a scene where they're walking, around the maze, Danny and his mother, and Jack is looking at it. This is like, this is an hour before. Yeah, so that's where he looks into the maze and he can see them running around. But this time, he doesn't use that to try and find them. I suppose it's not really...

He's not thinking clearly. He's not thinking I should use the magic maze in my writing room to find my wife and kid. Wait, what do you mean there? He's like, when he's looking, down in the maze. I don't, then when, I think it cuts to an aerial shot of the maze, doesn't it? Like, I don't think he can actually... It cuts between the two of them, isn't it? He's kind of like looking down at

the maze smiling, and then it shows them. It is like an aerial shot. I thought it was not the idea that he's seeing them in the maze. Yeah, I never got that either. I think it is just, yeah, but, uh, you know. I don't know, I thought, because he looks, okay, maybe he's just really happy to see that maze.

He's looking over it very sinister like, and he's like, Well, yeah, arguably he is maybe seeing it in his mind's eye perhaps, or like imagining it, but I don't think he's actually seeing it there in the physical I don't know. I mean, this is a man who just got

served in imaginary drink by a ghost barman. I think he could probably could imagine a maze. But no, maybe he just liked the model. So he doesn't use the magic maze this time. He's autistic. That's what it is. He just likes models.

He doesn't realize there's a real maze outside. He's like, I really like it. He loses his shit. He sees the real mares. That's what causes it. It's like, holy shit, look at this thing. He's trying to get into the fake one. Yeah.

Yeah, it's like, how do people see these things? But, uh, so he's outside. So they, they escape at a window and, like, go down this big thing of snow. And then they're running around outside. And he follows them into the maze. just Danny. Danny gets out the window not, not Wendy. Oh, sorry, yes. Yeah. Yeah, we, yeah.

So to run around the maze, everything's going to go mental. We're just, yeah, there's not much you can say. He runs around the maze. They jump in the, the jump in the snow, snow buggy. And, you know, Jack gets cold again. Yeah. Yeah.

Brilliant to end. picture of a part of 4th of July 4th of July think of that oh yeah all right white man's bourbon okay

well sure then it says 1924 and Jack's in the picture yeah which I guess that you're just going to throw in that twist at the end

that he's been there all along yeah yeah interpretation of that. Delbert really does tell him you've always been the caretaker here and I should know because I've always been here too. Yeah. Yeah. But

that little bit at the end where it's like there's a cross dissolve when it like zooms into the picture and like for a frame or two there's like a little Hitler mustache on Jack Nicholson's lip. Oh yeah. I see that? Fucking that up now. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

Okay, so like there's a lot of cross dissolves in this film. So we first see kind of like a wide shot of the picture of like Jack Nicholson surrounded by all the people. And then it zooms in closer to Jack Nicholson's face. But it's done as a cross dissolve. So you can kind of see the two images overlay at each other at once. And for a frame or two, there's a little Hitler mustache and Jack Nicholson's lip. People have pointed out. Okay.

So he's literally, is this the connections of the Holocaust? well there is that but then there's also like the typewriter it was like a german brand it was called adler which is eagle in german apparently and obviously you know nazis but then the number 42 is used a lot in the film like you see it a lot like written on whatever and 42 is when the nazis finalized their final solution plan for the holocaust or whatever so like there are likeudes and like Kubrick was very obviously fascinated with the Holocaust. He had planned to do in a film called the Aryan Papers, so he had read extensively about it.

And the whole theme of the film with the Native American genocide is just like how the trauma-traumatizing effects of war and genocide linger, you know, whatever. That's, you know, a big theme of the film. So, but I don't think, you know, he's necessarily saying Jack Nicholson is Hitler. it's just a cool little I'm not sure

if it's intentional on his part or not but it's just something that film geeks have noticed over the years the cross dissolve shows the little Hitler mustache

I'm talking to the picture now I got too excited at first just typed in Hitler and then you're like Jesus Jack Nicholson really looks like this Hitler fellow

but then I put in the shining Hitler mustache I'm looking at I don't think that could not be not unintentional. Did you phrase that I forgot halfway through what I even mean.

I think that was on purpose. Kubrick wouldn't do that. Yeah. Again, it plays into Kubrick. He was very meticulous and oversaw every aspect of the production. So when something is in there, you kind of have to, you know,

with other filmmakers, you could go, a bit of a coincidence, but with him, He's, you know, it's harder to dismiss it, you know? You know, it's funny. You look up like Nicholson, Hitler mustache. And the other way, always have related pictures underneath it. Yeah. The related pictures is Sam Neal.

What would happen if you've mixed Hitler and Jack Nicholson? You get Sam Neal from Jurassic Park. Yeah. I don't know. He doesn't even have a mustache. Very strange. That's him. No, it's just his idea.

He doesn't look like Hitler at all. It looks like Spider-Man. He's that, oh, wait, actually, I suppose maybe... He takes a while. Yeah. No, that's an accident. I think that was not, not unintentional. This is, I think that that's not, not couldn't be always intentionally on land.

This is just more people sucking off Kubrick's dick. He accidentally, he tried to do it. a cross fade, he messed it up and everyone's like, it's Hitler and the Holocaust. What did you? No, I disagree. I think it's not that he planned. It's not something that he planned, but it's something that he noticed

I'm sure while they were editing it and decided to leave it in. I don't think it was intentional to do it like that. I just thought, oh, look at that. That kind of looks like a Hitler mustache. Yeah, let's leave that in. That looks good. I don't know. I'll meet you

halfway, Larnie. I'll meet you halfway. He looks like Mussolini. You're just like, you're just like dedicated to the idea that Kubrick was a bumbling idiot who just like failed upwards. Just because every thought I kind of like, yeah, everyone's like, oh, that shouldn't go there. Oh, why is that character to do that? They nitpick it and they make me look like a fool. Every nitpick that like anytime anything doesn't make sense in a Kubrick film, people are like, he's a genius. He can't do any wrong.

I'm just sick of the double standards. that you should be as regarded as Kubrick is why you're saying. Thank you. Yes. I, yes. I mean, I haven't actually made it. That's why the awards. That's why, you know, Dublin's next top comic slash Kubrick. Yeah. It's Dublin's next top Kubrick. I haven't had, I haven't made a film yet because I'm too afraid that I won't be treated as well as Kubrick. So I'm defensive. I'm preemptively same standard as Kubrick. Yeah, and they should be.

I haven't done anything yet, but I know that I will be great, better than Kubrick, who was a fool and sloppy. But I did like Danny's Apollo jumper. I will give him that. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah. Do you think that was a non-landing?

Yeah, that's the big one for the moon landing conspiracy. People are like, look at a rocket ship on his jumper. that means he fake the moon land and was like is that what it means yeah i think that's what it means but um yeah i was saying it earlier but like two days and morning like really does look it looks way better than any of the footage from the moon but uh i went to see that in in the lighthouse cinema there in dublin and i went in and uh you know the trailers playing whatever in those ads and

then the movie came on and it's playing the iconic music and i'd never seen it before but it was just like this flicker and light and then a circle in the middle and that's kind of like how it kind of went on like that for a few minutes i was like this isn't i know like this isn't the film i know this is supposed to be like a bit of an out there film but this isn't something's wrong and i went out and like said to the guy at the at the door and i've never been more like condescended to in my life he was just like it's oh it's uh don't worry about it man it says and it's born to space honestly it's a kubrick like it's uh and he was like i'm sure iron man will show up soon you know, it'll be all fine. When did you go, sit yourself down,

did you pretty little face down, and I watched the Kubrick film. This is a movie, this is a film. And I went back inside. Where's the back man? When's he coming? Yeah, do I need to see all of the Avengers to understand this? We're going to just jump in. And then I went and sat down. And then he came in, like, a couple of seconds later. I was like, oh, I'm so sorry, man, the cap is still on the camera. And I've never been more vindicated. They left the fucking cap on the camera.

Oh, brilliant. There was like 30 or 40 people in the screen. presumably a lot of them had seen this film before, and no one said anything. Everyone just sat there and was like, this is great. They're all cowards. Ironically enough,

Studdled like Spartacus and demanded that the cap be taken off the projector. The only reason I was so cautious about going out is because it was like, Kubrick probably bumble this as well. This probably is the start of the film. He probably left his cap on the camera. He probably didn't even realize

and everyone was too scared to say that this is shit. but then the actual film played and it was it was very good I enjoyed a lot yes yeah I would have loved to have seen it in the cinema I'd also love to see the shining on the big screen that said that'd be a lot of fun yeah I think I saw them both in the light I feel like most films I go see your films I've like seen before but on my you know like I've watched them on my phone in my bed on a hungover Sunday which is exactly how Kuiber contended it yeah yeah yeah I watched that 2001 on a portable

DVD player on you're one of those exercise balls An exercise ball Yeah Well you mean like You were on the exercise ball or the Yeah I was on it

Bountable DVD was on the ball No I was on it bouncing up and down Okay So I was like I'm going to lose a bit of weight here Yeah It was like you ruined zero ground While educating yourself on film history Yeah

I like this is class Um Well I've got a film history fact for you Brian, you love the start of the opening scenes of The Shining where they're driving up the avenue up to the house for ages

the end, one of the multiple endings of Blade Runner, you know, like did you ever see the version with the happy ending? Yeah. Yeah, they're driving up into the sunset and he's like, robot, me, no way, baby, we're going to live forever. That's the same footage. They reuse that winding car footage. So there's just...

Yeah, I did hear that, yeah. There's two of them filmed in the car and then the rest of the footage is the same is a leftover footage from that opening of the Shining. Isn't it weird how, like, isn't the horse, all the horse stuff is from legend, isn't it?

Is it? Yeah, I think the horse stuff, I don't know, that's another movie that probably deserves its own podcast, but there's a lot... We'll do that another time. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the horse stuff is a bit out there,

but... Yeah, there was no horse in the Shining and that. That's why it works, in my opinion. I think, yeah, this is, although actually there's quite a few references to horses and Indians, but no actual animals, which I think made it much better. No robots either? Well, there is one theory that there was a robot freezer at that time. Hey, yeah, right.

That's a callback. That's why we win the awards, people. the game. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. But yeah, is there anything else,

Brian, that you can say or tell us that we haven't really covered? I think we skimmed over quite a bit there. Yeah,

well, look, we kind of did, you know, obviously, like, yeah, it's a very important

film and the, you know, all it looks like. But yeah, I think that's all we should bother saying.

Stephen King did his own version. That wasn't very good. Okay. I'd recommend There's a mini-series. Yeah, I'd recommend watch this for the weird CGI in it, very dated.

And then Dr. Sleep came out last year. Don't bother watching it. Did you watch it? I did, yeah. I watched the extended cut as well, like an idiot. Yeah, so you went right in here. Like, this is going to be great. I watched the extra long version first.

Yeah, jump straight into the deep end. But, yeah, it's not that great. It doesn't really feel... Like, it's worth it. The only kind of interesting thing is they have the kid from E.T. playing Jack Nicholson. Oh. Okay. They have a little cameo appearance from Jack Torrance with Danny Elyde playing.

Apparently for a few minutes, they were thinking about maybe D.E.D. But Nicholson is like, nah. Yeah, yeah. I feel like he probably wouldn't be too... I feel like he'd be difficult to work with now. on anything I think you could work with him

but you really have to play ball with him you know they feel like you'd write a script and you'd be like here's the lines I'd like you to say

and he'd be like these are the lines I'm gonna say and then that'd be the end of the discussion oh yeah definitely he wouldn't put up

with any Kubrick girls around yeah yeah yeah I want all the scenes for me to be sitting down and my wife

is 70 years younger than I am I mean yeah That's all I have to say about Don't really bother with Maybe it's a novelty Watch it one time

Yeah Never look at it again or think about it Don't think about it ever again Okay So as a horror film Like what Yeah Are there any parts in The Shining

That are actually like scary Now Again Can't we ask now We're like yeah Yeah We're not that, but I mean, yeah, like, actually bits we are like, oh shit, this is, because the only two bits that, like, really freak me out is the old woman and the bear, but that's like, that's like a dude sucking someone off and an old woman. Yeah, those are two, like, really normal things. Old women and a guy sucking a guy off. Like, that's why am I, why are those the two things that scare me in a film with, like, haunted twins and blood elevators and all this other stuff?

a man with, like a man, Jack Nicholson chops down a door with an axe, and it does, I don't even flinch. And then there's an old woman, and I'm like, that I need to look away. Because you've seen it parried it so many times, though. Like, you, as you said before, like, you've seen it from the Simpsons. You've seen it countless times been

referenced and parrided. So, like, you were very much desensitized to it before you actually saw it, I would say. That's probably true, yeah. Macroning didn't have the stones to do the old woman scene. Yeah. a bit in doctor sleep where because Danny's an alcoholic in it, all right?

And he wakes up after one night stand with an alcoholic mother and like the baby's crying into the room and instead of helping the baby just steals money from the mother and runs away. That is pretty I thought that was pretty cool. That is funny. Yeah, yeah.

Is he like a real piece of shit as an adult? Is he like a bad guy? Yeah, but then he goes to AA like a fucking loser. Oh. then he's got to fight his inner demons and what's uh

Jack Jack Taran never fought his inner demons he just killed his family he played with them he let him take over he did so again so he's he's the first one

to break the cycle then is he I won't reveal what happens no no I mean sorry in The Shining like his his all the other caretakers kill their families but sorry he doesn't break the cycle he only went to

fail he failed yeah he couldn't even get the job done yeah he fails yeah and also in the novel the hotel blows up so it's kind of gets it's yeah the boiler isn't it boiler blows up yeah yeah so instead of burning alive he freezes to death it's like polar opposites. Really clever. That's all I can say about The Shining. I think that was a good episode. One final thing,

HBO are currently working on a TV show called Overlook. Oh. Is it told the story told from the hotel's point of view? I think it's set in the 50s. Okay. Is that the Scatman?

Is that the Dick Halloran prequel that you talk about? Or is it a different the scatman movie got cancelled oh i see it's the shame want to see scatman it is the shame is it going to be set during when like the when charles grady

or what like we don't know does it's okay it's going to be produced by what's his name jj abrams oh yeah

I don't know why you like a star wars film he's every time I see his name I get excited because I really like Lost and then I realized all of the stuff they shit even the bits of Lost he did are quite shit and all the films he's done have been pretty bad

well Gigi didn't read yeah other people did lost he just kind of I know yeah yes yeah he was pretty he left Lost to go do any Mission Impossible 17 he did one of the bad Mission Impossible so yeah I don't think he did all those bad Star Wars

and Star Trek's and yes garbage look I'll tell you what we're going to finish up there