Brian Windhorst & The Hoop Collective - NBA Finals Game 5 Reaction: Historic Win For Thunder

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

Brian Windhorst is joined by NBA champion Iman Shumpert to react live to Game 5 of the NBA Finals between the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Indiana Pacers. Plus, ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith and Tim Bontemps join to discuss a historic output from Jalen Williams & SGA, the impact of Tyrese Haliburton’s injury, T. J. McConnell’s comeback attempt, where the series goes from here and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Shump, the Thunder just won probably the biggest game in the history of the franchise since they moved here. And they won by 11. I've got some things to say about it, but I'm going to yield to you because I want to hear what you have to say first. Well, as good as the Pacers are, with no production from Nimhart, Hallibur, or Mathrin, you're not that deep a team. This team has found ways to stay within three possessions, all year, all playoffs, and figured it out at the end. But they did so with constant production from those guys, constant production from Siakum.

Down to stretch, Seacom didn't have the best ball game. I thought he was off to a great start, but down the stretch seeing all of those turnovers, and then he got a little sloppy, not used to seeing that. And there's no way you're going to think you're going to put somebody away playing like that toward the end of the game. Hats off to the Thunder, too, playing small ball. All them defensive principles came back into play. They had 27 blocks and steals. Unbelievable.

I'm going to say that again. They had 27 blocks and steals, 15 steals and 12 blocks. Seven different guys had a steal. Seven different guys had a block. My God. And I loved it because even when they didn't get the. block or the steel, sometimes it's just a deflection. Sometimes it's just a deflection just to rattle somebody.

Sometimes just messing somebody's dribble up. But they were everywhere tonight. There was no driving room available. Halliburton surveyed. He probed down the baseline. He did everything he could. There was no getting in the pain. Yeah.

There was some passes of Pacers through that were not good. Unaggressive. Yeah. But that's what happens. If you lose all your angles, if you're, if you're a player that, that leads with aggression, if you lose that. angle, lose that angle, lose that angle. Nine times out of 10, there is no pass available.

Sometimes you really have to get by somebody to make a defensive mistake. Otherwise, that shell gets really tight. So what we saw tonight was them not only guard guys. They guarded guys left the right so well tonight, but they also did a great job of being in passing lanes, being intentional on defense, and making it to where on offense you had to play defense, they were guarding the ball. Halliburton started his dribble to the side of him.

He plays like this. I watched him make two or three passes where he's on his heels. He's falling back and it's just unaggressive. And whenever you have that unaggressive attitude, people can smell it. They smell blood tonight. That was wonderful defensive press. Well, before we talk about Halliburton Moore, we have to talk about Jalen Williams. You know, I came here for Media Day back in September.

That photo that everybody sees with his hair totally pulled out. The media day photo. It was just for Media Day. And he sat there and he talked about how last summer, you know, he had a couple of rough playoff games last year, including a game five here against Dallas. It was two-two, same situation, two-two. He wasn't like he was a total dog in that game,

but he just, he didn't bring it. And he talked about how tough it was to get himself to watch the film. And he made himself watch the film of how his bad moments. He was really determined to improve on that and get better. worked off that film. And by the way, he had, he laid some eggs this year in some big games, including the NBA Cup final. Remember that? They scored 81 points in that game. I actually don't remember that. I can't dial back today. They played the, they played the bucks. I think they have like 81 or 82 points, if you can believe that.

So you look at him now. I mean, he has a 40 point game in a 2-2 game five. 40-point game. He's 24 years old. It was efficient, though. That's what I liked about it. 40 points on 25 shots. And he did not settle. If you saw it toward the end, they had a bunch of times. I don't know, Lee might have been within 9 to 12, something like that. And him and Shea had a couple of possessions where they would, they had it. They're getting ready to squeeze and they're like, no, I'm driving this. And I'm going to go all the way to.

And if you found me, I'm getting an end one. And I thought them playing Batman Robin back and forth. And the weird thing was, Shea was robbing. Like he robbed him for we just never saw that. Like if you see that coming now, going into a game six and seeing how dangerous Jalen Williams could be, I don't really know what to do besides deny them the ball at the end. You know what I mean? I'm not seeing a game plan that you can do for that.

I'm not seeing an available trap. That was just great basketball at the end, taking care of the basketball at the end. They got shot attempts rather than turnovers, rather than having to settle for a weird second chance opportunity. This was efficient A to B basketball. And, you know, I just love the way he just did that. So between the two of them tonight, 71 points, 14 assists. Shea was back to playing pretty much full-time point guard tonight. He had 10 assists after having none the other night.

14 assists between him, three steals. They had seven rebounds. They got to that line, too. And 26 free throws. No settling. But that people don't talk about it enough. It's like that makes people unaggressive. That's why the rim's so available.

Y'all have got a couple fouls on them. Nobody wants to file. Everybody hands out the cookie jar now. Free layups. They make you unaggressive. Yeah. Keep driving the ball at home, kids. Good things happen when you drive the ball.

I don't know why. the basketball guy said, so it wasn't me. So Halliburton appeared to tweak his calf in the first half. I was talking to some people who were sitting down courtside. I was watching the game on TV. I didn't notice this on TV, but some people who were sitting here courtside said a few times when he drove into the lane, he winced whenever he went to push off that leg.

So pretty much the last two and a half quarters, He was pretty much a ball mover and a floor spacer. He wasn't an attacker at all. I mean, he had no baskets. Yeah, he wasn't in attack mode at all. But I've seen that time and time again. And then in the last three minutes, he could turn it up. So I don't know how much of it just wasn't a rhythm.

He grimaced a lot. But I also saw him wearing that support on his back. So I'm not sure. Yeah, he always wears that. When he's on the bench, he's always putting that back thing on. But I don't know how that was the way to fall. The fall looked pretty bad to me. Yeah.

That one ball he had, his legs sort of folded over him, stayed down for a second. Again, I didn't see the cap thing that everybody else saw. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't, I only know what they were showing on the broadcast. He stretched it. You know, it didn't look bad, but obviously if it was already bothering him, they could have done it. But, I mean, obviously he's known to have off games. This looked different. You know, this, he just, you know, he may have been passive.

but I think he was also wounded. But look, you're out there playing. I don't know how you do that. I mean, I know what players say. Like, if you're out there, you're playing, he's out there. But, you know, T.J. McConnell was their best guard in this game. Without it out.

And it's tough for him because he just, he just wasn't blessed with the right height to get some of those finishes at the end. He does, he has. He gets where he wants to go. Yeah, he has learned how to create his own shot where he just sort of creates a space. I haven't looked at and, you know, I suspect, I don't know for sure.

I suspect there's going to be some second-guessing of Carlisle not playing McConnell more in the fourth quarter. By the time he brought him in, it was kind of over. I'm not saying, I'm not really taking a position there because. Yeah, because it's, at the end, you want to go with your guns. I agree. You got to go with your big guns. Like, it's tough down the stretch to lean on what didn't get you there. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And it's tough because he could be having the game of his life, but any coach would do it. You know what I mean? It's like going back to something that's just natural, like breathing. It's like, of course I'm going to put my guy in. Yeah, it's game five of the finals. Yeah, it's tough. Who do you sit?

Because you play them together, like, who do you sit? Well, you called her right. I mean, Nemhardt also. You can't. This was his least impactful game. You got to have more, more impact. You got to at least be getting to the free throw line. He had some bad passes too.

On aggressive. Yeah. But it wasn't enough knifing through with intention. Everybody was sort of like, I don't know, it seemed like they were almost like trying to play. Whereas I'm not hot right now, so I don't want to do too much. And it's got to be something natural that's whether I'm hot, not hot, whatever, I have to do this for us to continue. And this is the first time we've seen it from Indiana. Yeah.

We have not seen this side of them at all. That's what scares me. Well, they hadn't lost back-to-back games since March. It had been like over 40 games, half the season. Yeah. Basically half a season. I mean, other people get involved in a lot of that, but I don't really get involved in that. Stephen A is staring at us.

Oh, no, I know what he's been to say. More Hoop Collective podcast after this. What are you going to say? You said, you said this? You said this already? Stephen A has it. He doesn't have enough. he doesn't have enough exposure.

Come on him, my brother. Stephen, I welcome to the hoop collective. I think it's your first appearance. You know, it's my first appearance on here. I don't know why I haven't gotten an invite earlier, but we'll talk about that another time, Brian Wenthorse. What's up, man? Ain't nothing, man.

We're sitting here talking about how do you get production if you're Indiana, if Nimhart, Tyrese Halliburton, and Matherin don't give you anything. Well, here's a problem. With Matherin and Nem Havirn. hard. They know how to handle the ball well enough to get off a shot. Without a shot for themselves. They can't run an offense. They can't run a team. They're not point guard. They don't have that capability. That belongs to Halliburton. And when you look at Halliburton, it was one of, if not the most awful performance we've seen

from a point guard in NBA finals history. Now, in fairness to him, he must be hurt. He must be hurt. There's no way that he could look that bad. He couldn't get loose. He couldn't get free. He could barely get a shot off. He looked timid. He looked almost petrified at times. I mean, they were coming at him like that. He had to have been hurt. I'm not going to assume that he's scared.

He's too big and a big moment for me to ever accuse him of being scared. But he's hurt. And if you're hurt, now we have to look at Rick Carlisle. A whole thing coach. I know 34 minutes. He played in 34 minutes. I know that. So it's the 34 minutes.

But you also got to take into account. Look at how T.J. McConnell was playing. Look at what he did in that third quarter. I mean, the guy was making shots. He was making, got a point. I think he scored like 9-11 straight. You got to keep him in the game when you know two things. Number one, Halliburton is not 100%.

And number two, you know you got a game six at your home turf on Thursday night. You got to be able to say, yo, I don't, you got to sit down. You just don't have it tonight. And I think that Rick Carlisle made a mistake by not seeing that and making that decision. Yeah, I don't know what he said after the game. We'll find out. He said that he's not 100. He said Halliburton's not 100% clearly.

He wanted to, they talked to him at haliburton and wanted to continue to try and play, et cetera. And I'm like, fine. Try him out early in the third quarter. When you see that there is no difference, you yank him. Yeah. Especially once you put T.J. McConnell in the game

and you saw the way that he was flowing. You've got to take that change. Especially what you know is a cat. Shump was just talking. It's a gray area because you want to trust the guys that got you here. Well, again, if you're yanking a dude from the game, just because he's poor and you're worried about his confidence. I get that part.

But you're able to look at him and say, you're hurt. You know you hurt. Sit down because you can't move. We want you. Go start treatment right now. We've seen you. We know this is not you. That's not a confidence issue.

You know this better than me. You tell a player that, listen, go back there and get some treatment. You ain't healthy. That player is not going to have his confidence affected because he knows I'm not healthy. I'm hurt. I tried to work through it. I tried to play through it. But I couldn't.

Coach made me go out there. Let me get ready for game six. That's all he had to do. He should not have capitulated to Halliburton's wishes once you saw how T.J. McConnell was playing and you knew that Halliburton was hurt. Yeah, especially because McConnell was arguably having one of the games of his life. Yes. The best game of his life.

I mean, the best game. I don't know. I don't know if you were watching. I just wish he had three inches of height to finish at the end. At the end, he could have closed that game with a little bit of height. I don't know if you guys, you guys were watching the broadcast. T.J. looked like he was a caged.

looking over at Harlisle. Yes. Like he was red. He was red. We're sitting up there in the suite and I can see it. Yeah. I can see it because you just saw his head and you know, he wants it bad. And when you're a role player and you're on that kind of a role on the absolute biggest basketball stage, of course you're looking at the coach like coach.

Because you're saying to yourself, not only am I rolling, but your man is hurt. We all know it. And I can pick it one right now. And then listen, I know Halliburton is a relatively young player and I'm going to put most of it on Rick Carlisle in terms of that specific decision. But what about you saying, hell man, coach, you see the way he's playing?

He's rolling. He's rolling right now. He's rolling right now, coach. Go with that. You know, you can do that as a player, you know. You know, we had Delhi. You can't. You know, we had Delhi, Matthew Delafo.

Yeah. Well, everybody was heard of everything was going wrong. We just didn't have it. And Delhi just started firing off. threes and we rolled with it. We started running plays for them. It's the exact same thing. But it's what he said.

When you see that happen, all bets off. I don't care what we're doing. Especially on the biggest stage. Give me as much as you can. No matter how young you are, Halliburton is not a rookie. And not only that, you closed out Milwaukee. You closed out Cleveland. You closed out New York.

You closed out OKC in game one. You've done enough in your postseason career to be able to say, coach, not only do I not have it tonight because I'm not 100% but look at what my man is doing. I'm not sure. I get it. It's interesting. I'm not sure they're beating Jalen Williams and Shea tonight. I'm sorry.

I'm not sure it would have matter. Okay. I'm not saying, wait a minute. Wait a minute. With all due respect, they're up 15. They cut that. TJ comes in the game. They go on a roll.

They pull within two. You can't say that, Wendy. They pull within two points. They pull within two points. And they turned it over at the end. six minutes left. Yes, you had a chance. Definitely a chance.

He had one turnover down the stretch. Who else had the other two turnovers? Them hard had a couple. Them hard. Yeah, two back to back. I think Mathrin had one. But it's like you take away those. It's a different ball game.

They got some easy ones. I'm just saying they might have lost the game because the way Jaylon and Williams is rolling and the way Shay can get rolling. We all know what they bring to the table. But they handed them. 71.62% shooting, what is it, in game four? and then they come out here and what do they do?

They shoot, what is it? 62% shooting, 48% shooting, 62 points combined. This is what they did over the last two games. So we know they're rolling. Wiggins and Wallace coming off the bench,

hit some threes in the first half. All of those things were helpful. You get a 15-point lead. You got everything rolling. Halliburton is looking awful because he's not healthy. And still, with about seven minutes left or so,

you are within two. Unbelievable. You cannot ignore that. You have to. to look at a guy like a T.J. McConnell and say because Halliburton is hurt and he couldn't do anything, we're going to roll with this kid.

And it was exacerbated by the fact that Nemhart wasn't great and Matherin was terrible. He was too old. He, after 27 points I think that Matherin, that's a mental thing. In game four, what does he do? He misses three or four field goes. He gets two off, you know,

he gets two call for two or foul off of inbound. In the last, I mean, he calls like a five, seven point turnaround in game four. I think he was feeling that came in here anxious to prove I thought it would work to his advantage and he would be effective, but he was pushing. He was pressing too much trying to make up for what happened to game four and he didn't happen. Thank you for stopping by. Juvian Sumatra, you're two most, you're two of the most important people in your life for waiting for you.

So I don't want to hold you up anymore. All right. All right. Thank you. We'll see you tomorrow. Touch the ring one time. There you go, bro. All right, by the way, there was an amazing moment before the game where

you brought your ring because you didn't bring it earlier and you went home and you got it. Yeah, I wouldn't grab it for y'all, man. And Channing Fry came over. Whenever there's a 2016 cab, and you're another 2016 cab, it's always a special moment.

Real talk, eh. Channing Fry's on the NBA TV staff and he came over before the game and you embraced them and he knocked your ring off onto the ground. It's, uh, so it's crazy because we have these handshakes that we did with the 16 team.

Yeah, and you still remember him. Well, we were getting ready. We were like, between doing it and not doing it and just went for embrace. Like you just hug, but we got a little over-excited, but Channing's hands, Channing's hands are a lot larger than mine.

And it's like he just wiped it off my, just like took it all out for us. But listen, all these champions who are working with us here, you and UD and RJ and Danny Green, I love you guys bringing your rings around. I know it's probably not. People ask me why I got the pinky. See, I planned for the 2017 one to be right here.

Yeah. And then Katie happened. Timbantams was joining us. I like the planning, though, Shump. Yeah, I planned it out, man. Tim, you were just in the locker room area. Stephen A really thinks that either Halliburton or Rick Carlisle should have just pulled Halliburton. I heard a little bit of what Stephen A was saying when I came over before.

I mean, look, it's hard to argue. you. I mean, the guy took one shot in the second half. Paces were dramatically better when T.J. McConnell was on the court. The game turned in the third quarter. It was 20 to zero in bench scoring in the third quarter, primarily because of T.J. McConnell. And when you text in me in the third quarter, Brian said the pacer took out Halliburton and put in a score and it changed the game. And it just put a lot of pressure on the thunder. And, you know, I mean, look, if Al Burton's hurt, that's fine. But if he's out there, then he's got to be able to produce. And he was pretty much invisible in this game.

Took one shot in the second half, over six in the field. The Pace aren't winning games in this series of Halberton's doing that. I was just, we've been talking through it. On one hand, I said it's a gray area,

but maybe really it's not a gray area. Well, it depends on how much they know about that calf. That's true. You're right. If it's that bad, they know something in that locker room and they got to protect him a little bit too

because you don't want him in the middle space that he feels like I got to pull out more. And anything, as you guys know, calf, hammy, that's tough. You can't move. You can't move. Yeah, you don't have breaks.

Bob Myers said at halftime. He was like, this is tough man. Now, I don't want to put words in Bob's mouth. I haven't talked to him yet. But obviously, he played a guy. He didn't play him. But, you know, the organization played a guy with the calf injury. Yeah, think about game five in 2019 when Kevin Durant played and ended up tearing his

Achilles. Like, that's what you think about. And look, at the end of the day, though, this game, you know, I was in listening to Mark Dagnall, coach of the Thunder, got out of the last. got asked about Jalen Williams and the growth he's had over the course of the year and early in the year there were some times where Jalen Williams is struggling and there was some criticism of

the way he was playing and whether he could be the guy they need him to be as the secondary score to Shea I mean we talked about a lot in the pod as Brian knows this year and Dagnold said at the time he praised him for the aggressiveness he showed at the time and talked about the fact that it would pay off down the road and you saw in this game I mean the Thunder won this game

because of She goes Alexander and Jalen Williams carrying them home not to, I mean, again, in the way Tyrese Halliburton did not for the Pacer Seacom was great. Yeah, the two stars on the Thunder were great. Haliburton had a terrible fourth quarter in game four and he had a killer fourth quarter tonight. More hoop collective podcast after this. I mean, look, I mean, T's the only reason they were in the game. He was great.

And whenever he gets a mismatch in this series, he completely tears it apart. You know what that's like when you got a guy who can take a mismatch like that inside. Totally has taken advantage of Shagel-Zo-Zo, or Casey. and Wallace or any of these smaller guards when they get on them in the post. Paters do a great job of finding them. You know, but at the end of the day, it's a two-point game with eight and a half minutes to go. I know. We just talked about that.

Yeah, and they just start getting turnovers and scoring buckets left and right. I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced that they're beating the Thunder on this night anyway. Well, look, I mean, look, it was a two-point game and the Thunder miss a shot and get an offensive rebound. And then all of a sudden it goes from two to seven in about 25 seconds. Another guy with the ring. all these guys with rings around here. So it was right there.

And, you know, the Thunder made sure it didn't go the other way. And now we'll see what happens on Thursday. I don't think Jaylon and S.J. were letting them lose. What did you say? I don't think they were letting them lose. Oh, I mean, he was on the level. Tonight they were uneniable.

They really were. I sort of talked my way through this. And I get what Stephen A said. I'm listening to what Shum said. I'm listening to what you're saying. And I think I'm living. Both things can be true. I just don't want anybody to forget about check.

Okay. Chet shot the ball bad as far as just... He shot the ball bat all series, but yeah. But, I mean, the little chippies is the ones that I want him to make around the rim. Yep. But his effort tonight was contagious. His ability to switch on the guards over and over and over and get stops. He altered shots at his height.

Yeah, they did an unbelievable job, chump at the rim. All game. All those guys. Shad had four blocks. Chet had three. And sometimes they didn't get the block. They just got a got to and then throw it to make. a bad shot go up. And I just, I want to acknowledge him because he's shown so much growth through

this series. Like his 11 rebounds, him using only three files. Like, it's not going to get talked about, but it's so important. Like the three block shots, the ability to do that, get your second attempt, and then say, you know what, I don't have it. Let me kick it out and give Jalen and Shay another chance to go at it. It's not going to get talked about a lot because you got 40 points and 31 points, which they're responsible for another 10 assists, so that's another 20 to 25 points. Man, Chet Holmgren, I know he didn't shoot it well all series,

but his growth is showing more and more because you're starting to see the, I see it all the time with this when they do the flexing. Jalen Williams, over and over, you've seen it. It's happening more and more. And it's funny you talk about that, because after game one, when Chet was awful in that game, when they let it go at the end,

he sat right over there on this court in media day a couple days later and he said i have to make sure that i focus on doing everything but scoring yep and if i'm not making shots i can't let it get in my head at all and if i do those other things the scoring will come and that in the games since then in the series for the most part that's exactly what he's done and look like you said it's four for 15 today he's missing a lot of shots at the rim he's struggling a lot but what does he do he's sprinting back he's getting into play he's getting rebounds he's blocking shots he did all the other stuff and the other stuff is why they won this game. When it got tight at the end and this crowd was panicking,

they were in a lot of trouble. Stops. I mean, Shea and Jalen hit shots, but they also got runout dunk, steel, transition bucket, because they started doing the Thunder defensive stuff and the Pacers couldn't handle it. Also, major bounce back.

The Pacer bench actually outscored the Thunder bench, which is the first time the losing team had the bench scoring, mostly because of McConnell. But major, major bounce back games for Aaron Wiggins. and Case and Wallace especially. Casein Wallace was 0 for eight from three in the series before this game. Two big threes in the first quarter immediately comes in, hit some shots. You could see it get some confidence back in them.

I mean, obviously he started the first couple games this series. He was a hugely important player for the Thunder. And again, the Thunder got into their whole thing of, you know, Caruso blowing up plays. Cason Wallace blowing up plays. Wiggins making shots. Like it turned into the full team effort we see from them when they're good. Wiggins and Caruso. I'm sorry.

Wallace and Caruso had eight steals between him. Yeah, four a piece. And Wallace had seven threes between them. They were seven for 11 for three between the two of them. The thunder were three for 17 in game four total. That's what's supposed to happen, right? The role players at home, that's what you're supposed to have. Without a doubt.

Without a doubt. You want them to be inclusive, but you never want them to force. And the thing that's so great about OKC, Caruso, Wiggins, Wallace, all manufacturer points off of just energy on defense. They make it to where your floor is unbalanced when they take off on the breakaway. Somebody makes a mistake.

They're always shooting the inside out three, a layup at the room. They're attacking a closeout. It's an efficiency game with them. Plus 25, plus 23, I should say, in points off turnovers. 23 turnovers for 32 points. I mean, yeah. That is the 40s. Your point, it steals off the bench.

That's what they do all season. The two stats are just unbelievable for a final. finals game, 32 to 9 and points off turnovers. It is just unheard of. And then I said this, I said this earlier. 15 steals, 12 blocks, 27 stocks. I mean, just defensive playmakers all over the place. God.

And that's the thing. Like, that was, it was fitting the way the game ended because the thunder did what the, the formula that led them to win 68 games, have a record setting point differential, got him within now 48 minutes of the first championship in the franchise's history, right? it's Shegis Alexander and Jalen Williams scoring points left and right and it's all these other dudes plus them making plays all over the place on defense and turning the other team into a mess with the ball. That is the formula at both ends that has them on the verge of a title and they got it done in the fourth quarter with that tonight. We got to wrap this up, but I think in the next 48 hours,

Tyrese's leg will be a huge story. I don't know if we're going to get information on it. Well, look, here's what I'll say. if he's going to go 0 for 6 or if he's just going to take even six shots in game 6, the series is over. Like Tyrese Halliburton can't be aggressive and can't be aggressive scoring, which we've talked about the whole series. When he's scoring 20 points, they're a totally different team. I don't see how they're winning a game in this series. Like the Thunder have led 141 of the 144 minutes here in Oklahoma City.

And it's been basically a toss-up in Indiana, and that's with Halliburton playing well. So he's got to have a really big game If they want a chance of game six I think they could do it with the Indiana crowd I loki think we're going to see a game seven I don't know how they're going to manufacture I just know Andrew Nymard and Ben Matherin

Their key is 111 that's their They got 111 they got it done tonight If they got one more bass That guy Every playoff jump Brian has a stat that it's one of the other And he says it every game It's a different stat every year But he's got a stat.

That's a stat that's a stat that's continuing to be correct. All right. Thank you to Bontems. Thank you to Shump. Thank you to our special guest, Stephen A. Smith. Thank you for Perk for walking by. Yeah, man. Thank you to Jackson and Rafa and Blair. Hopefully we got Shay go by. Evie P go by. That's awesome. You walk by. Yeah. I don't know if he got in the shot, but went by. Hopefully he got in the shot, man. But, you know, just another day on the court in the finals. That's all. Just another day.

The smooth of the silk all the time, SGA. Just talking ball. That's all. All right. We'll be talking you later this week. A new collective.