Brian Windhorst & The Hoop Collective - REACTION: Biggest Takeaways From Round 1 Of The 2026 NBA Draft

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

Brian Windhorst is joined by ESPN's Vince Goodwill and Bobby Marks to react to Round 1 of the 2026 NBA Draft including the most shocking selections, a very unique moment, some shocking reactions from some front offices and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We talk about the NBA, which you're doing on Wednesday morning now, day two of the draft, because we're on day two of the draft at this point. We're at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, here with Bobby Marks, who the man who built the, you know, what I want to say?

I would say a very small part. Very, very small part. Very, very small part. The man who built the Berkeley. And Vince Goodwell. Brick by brick. I'm just happy they allow me back in this building, right?

I thought my face would be on the security cameras as far as don't allow this. This is the man who traded the three first round picks. Don't let all in, but I'm happy I'm still allowed in here. All right. Well, the NBA draft for first round is in the books. Hey, guys, I've never been to the first round of the draft before. Really?

It's my first time ever. I mean, I've been out at team sites or team venues. I've never been to the draft before. Speaking of the first round, I can't believe we used to do first and second round in one night. Like, this thing would still be going right now. Oh, my God. You have no idea. All right. So Bobby, what were your takeaways? There wasn't a lot of surprises in this draft.

You know what my biggest takeaway was there was no first round picks that were traded, right? There were trades. There were trades swapping, but there was nobody that came in and be like, I'm going to trade you at 2027, top five, whatever, protected in. And I think so I think there's two things. why I think the lottery form, I think I scared some teams here. And I do, I think the, the price to get in, there were teams that were telling me that some of these teams in the teens unprotected first to come get, you know, one of these, one of these picks here. And I just thought it was too rich.

And we saw a lot of swapping. And Memphis basically moved, made a trade and made a trade and got five seconds out of that. But we didn't see a team basically. The next made four trades in 10 minutes. Yeah. And they saved $3 million out of it. And that right there. is Brockman Oller.

That is Brockman. By the way, let me just say, as a quick aside, the Knicks have the 31st pick in the draft tomorrow. Brock Oller loves nothing more. He's won two rings now with Cleveland and New York, but Brock Oller loves nothing more than trading on draft night. And he had to wait a while tonight, but he made four trades in 10 minutes. And he will be in charge of the 34th.

He won't be in charge of who to pick with it, but he'll be in charge of administering the 31st pick. he won't go to sleep. He will have slept more the night they won the championship in San Antonio than he will. You think I'm joking with you. He will not. He has 12 hours to do something to the 31st pick. You watch what happens with the 31st pick.

All right. Sorry. Go ahead, Bob. That's hilarious. Well, I mean, listen, I think New York, I mean, we know where they are financially and move out. They made four trades literally in 10 minutes. They did.

We waited to, I think the funny part was we're sitting on stage. And, you know, they do all this hoopla. They basically almost, I thought they're going to bring out the Nick City dancers and everything that comes in there. And then they, you know, and then we're on stage. And Malikis said, well, they traded that pick to the league. I know. I know.

The fans are buzzing. They're playing Go, New York. Go New York. And then they traded the pick. And then they said, okay, we got this guy. And then they traded the pick. So anyway, Vince, your takeaways. We were on hoop streams for three hours, three and a half hours tonight.

I didn't, I wasn't keeping count. The interesting thing for me was, did it get interesting for you after the four-fitt? After Caleb Wilson, 5, 6, 7, Clippers, Brooklyn, Sacramento. I wasn't sure. We thought three-point guards were going in a row. We were not sure of the order of the three-point guards. And I said that during the show, those three guys are going to be linked. Yes.

Wogler, A-Cuff, Brown. They're going to be linked with you. each other for their entire careers. I'm fascinated by who starts off well and who has the better career. Yeah, I would think that Sacramento would be declared a winner tonight. We don't know if A-Cuff will be the best of those three, but Sacramento wanted A-Cuff. They wanted A-Cuff. And they weren't sure whether he was going to get to them.

And there was, obviously, would they trade up for him? But they didn't have to trade up and they got their guy. He may not be the best, but if he is, they will feel great about how this played out. Well, and I think the big question, at least leading up to the week, And today you kind of got a little more clarity was would Brooklyn go guard again? Right. And I think you had to. Like I don't care if you drafted 20 guards last year.

If there was a guy, if it was whether it be Mikel Brown or Kingston Fleming's here, you go guard. Brown is interesting. He probably has the most upside out of this. But there were some questions. He had the back injury at Louisville this past year. He certainly shut down. There was an overload. But you talked to a lot of teams, a lot of the.

the people that were around Team USA last year during the, I think it was the U18 or U19. Like he was like, he was like their best player and everything. I would say it was a mute it was a mixed reaction in this building when they announced Brown because I think some A-Cuff is a popular player. People watched A-Cuff light up the late season in the tournament. He's an exciting player. I think some people in Brooklyn wanted A-Cuff. But obviously Brown's the, he's bigger.

He's got more positional size. He's got, you know, he's great shooter. right? Yeah. So there's, you know, it wasn't like it was controversial,

but I feel like that's going to be, even more than Wogler who went five. I will say this, Bobby. I don't, I had several teams

in the, in the back of the lottery who were hitting me hard. Yeah. What's going on a five? What's going on a five? What's going on at five? What's going on at six?

Sure. What's going on at six? The five, six was really something that they were trying to get Intel on. There's nothing better. I'm just to rewind on a clock 15 years.

Being in a, in a draft room. You've got your board. You're set up. And especially those teams that are like in that 12, the four, and you're just waiting and waiting. And then you're like,

do we need to move up to get him and sit? Or do we sit pad? Or if you're Dallas and Mores Johnson's there at nine, or if you're Oklahoma City who's at 12, do we need to move up and the thunder, you know, stayed path there. And yeah,

I mean, I think that's a big reason why Memphis moved back from, what, 16 to 21? I believe because there was probably five or six guys in their range. Let me speak on that for a second. Well, first off, I want to talk about, let me get that second. Let's talk about the number one pick first because there was some, it felt during the day, like the information was coming in that they were going to go with AJ DeBons of the Wizards.

I don't think the Trey Young thing had anything to do with it. They knew they were going to sign Trey Young for a while. If they had preferred Peterson number one, I think. think they take Peterson number one. Whatever process and work they went into it got them to AJ DeBanza. They went with AJ DeBanza and that is a massive decision for the Wizards. And maybe there's actually not going to be too much difference between them or maybe it's a organizational decision that changes the next 10 years.

We're not going to know. Well, you mentioned the guards that are going to be linked. I think the top four guys. Right. Yeah. I think the four guys and Caleb's nobody. talks about Cald Wilson. What about what did I say throughout the show?

Then he's been saying for a while that the bills are a big winner because not only did they hop from like 10th or 11th in the lottery into the top four, they didn't have to stress on, you know, they didn't have anywhere near the stress that Washington did. Yeah. They just waited to see who came. And many people who I respect say without hesitation, Caleb Wilson might be the best player in the draft in five years. And the Bulls got to get that player.

There was a team in the top 10 that had AJ DeBonson number one and had Caleb Wilson number two, had Peterson all the way down at four. And that was the weirdest of the top four that I had ever, that I had seen of the top four. I was just really fascinated. Like one and two was kind of tricky. Like if you polled 20 executives yesterday and I might have polled 30, it was half and half. legitimately half and half. And some people were like passionate about it.

Yes. Like not even like boy, you can really get their way. Some people were like, it's Peterson. It's the bansa, you know. You know what it was? I think the people who were impressed with Peterson were the biggest skeptics 10 weeks ago. And then you got in front of them.

And then you got better intel and you thought so much better of them that you had to flip your tuny. You had to do so almost violently in a way. Like the people who I knew were, not Peterson guys throughout the course of the season. Oh, what is he doing? He's not playing. He's making a fool of himself, making the full of all this.

Those are the ones who turned around and said, when we interviewed him, we really liked. We really liked them. Then there was some who says, can you be the face of a franchise and you're an introvert? And you're telling people that you're an antisocial introvert. And that goes into the personality part of all this. That gets a little uncomfortable with me. But there was so many questions around that. Well, and I think one of the moments I remember from tonight is, is,

the emotion, and he didn't, you know, start crying. But there, there was a genuine happiness. Yeah. When Darren Peterson got drafted. Like if he would have just walked in with a stoic face or, or had his shoulders down, but there was like, it was almost like there was a relief. That's what I was like, this is over. By the way, did you like the living room, the Lisa Salter's living room?

I did. I did. I tell you what, if I was in there, I would have probably been taking a little siesta. You know what? They stopped using it at some point. You probably could have gone and used it. Yeah, I've seen Bobby in the 5 o'clock hour the last two days, and I don't mean PM. More Hoop Collective Podcast after this.

Yeah, you're right. So some interesting stuff in the top in the top 10. I feel like, and look, you never know on draft night. I feel like Oklahoma City has to feel good about the way things fell. Well, first off, let me say this. obviously Dusty May has input on you know the Mavericks had to do their due diligence the coach doesn't always get to choose but the the number of first Michigan player that was taken was taken by Dusty May's team and they went with Mores Johnson and a lot of people thought

Mores Johnson would be the third to go and the XL came to our set on the huge streams and I think he he's happy you know he got drafted and he was excited about, you know, his situation. But I think he was kind of surprised, too. Did you get that impression? A little bit surprised. I think so. Did he think that he was going to be the first one?

Did you think? I didn't think he didn't think he was going to be the last. So that's fascinating. Dusty May, you know, I mean, I'd love to know where their rankings were before and after Dusty May was hired. Maybe they'd already decided that. Well, and I think it was interesting because I was wondering would Dusty may be in the Mavericks like war room?

and I was happy he was here. I really was. That was also surreal. Yeah. To have, I looked, I was standing there with Jay, Billis, and I'm looking and I just see him start walking. And I said, well, I guess he's not in Dallas right now. He's, you know, he's going to watch three of his guys go into top 14. Which was awesome for Michigan.

Yeah. You know, they have three guys. Great recruiting tape. If only they had their hair coach, though. Right. All right. So I have to feel like the way things fell, the Thunder probably want, really wanted Mara. Um, might even have considered moving up for him.

They don't have to. Yep. He falls to them. He came onto our set and I said, I asked him, um, and he totally understood the, the situation with Victor, he's like, yep. Because, you know, he's, he's, he's Spanish. He's played with some, with the national team, but he has never played against Victor.

Yeah. He will. Yeah. And he's like, yep, but I think I'm going to see Victor a lot coming up. Yeah. And he talked about maybe playing with Chet because I could see that happening. Maybe not out of the gate, but I could see that happening at some point. So the Thunder. being able to get a seven foot four guy with a nine nine standing or standing reach seven foot

seven wingspan to get that player that with the bigs they already have when they need a big i think they probably were happy with that well and the and the big thing too i know his size certainly i mean he can pass the heck out of the ball and that was that that's that's one of the big things that that stood out for me there's a quote in here i got my brain is i got like a brain lock that he gave me Basically, it's about like, you know, like one basket makes one person happy. One pass makes two people happy. So, like, he has certainly joy as far as the ability to make players better. And I think, I think it's been interesting in Oklahoma City.

You know, Chet's, I not Chet, Isaiah Hartinstein, he's got that team option. And then, you know, everybody, he, Margaret's picked. And everybody was like, oh, I'm like, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. No, no, wait, wait a minute. I don't think Hardinstein's going anywhere. Yeah, we're not, we're not ready for that. or not they have Sorber and Mara, Thomas Sorber, who missed the season with injury. That's a different discussion.

But, and then the Thunder, you know, the Thunder got two second round picks for Aaron Wiggins a couple of days ago. And then they trade the two second, not the same two necessarily. I don't even know which two, but they trade two second round picks to move up to get Bennett Sturts, who they, who they liked. And I don't know what they will do. They've already moved Wiggins. There's a possibility that they might have to move, Isaiah. say a Joe just for financial financial reasons. And if they do,

Jared McCain sort of fills that role. And then you have Sturts to come in and sort of maybe fill the role that Jerry McCain did. So I think the Thunder probably felt pretty good about what they walked out of with 12 and 17. Just replenish. That's the thing. It's where, you know, when these guys, when I say Joe or Aaron Wiggins get hired,

you just replenish with the 12th pick. And they're going to do the same thing next year. And they got the right to swap with the clips. The game just rewinds. One of the juicy rumors that I heard was that OKC wanted to get up to five. And I didn't know how much equity to put in it because OKC is so tight-lipped with everything. And I was wondering, like, did they think, wouldn't go up and go out to five to take tomorrow? You just let them fall to you.

Like, you just hear so much wacky stuff throughout the course. When you're getting your intel a few days before the draft. I think it's validated just because how aggressive they, you know, they had made a trade in a trading, either trading a first round pick or trading for a first round pick since 2019. Like the streak is alive, right? Like they keep, so there's the aggressiveness. And when you have 12 and 17, then you have all these other draft assets, just like, well, when is the right time to basically push it, push it all in there?

And especially because next year, I think the draft class is a little bit weaker here, at least on paper and everything. And here would have been an good opportunity to do it. So when you actually. came to us, well, first off, on the Clippers' fifth round, fifth pick, all, they went to the very last minute. Their five minutes went up, and so I wonder if they got any offers on the clock, because all the first four picks, picks ran within a minute or two. Clippers used all their time. Yep. So that's number one. We'll find out about that. Did you see the video from,

you were on air, so I don't know, did you see the video from the Warriors draft? after them. I did. No, I saw that. Don't be in Lakewood. I'll tell you what. I saw the, the Nets, the Nets war room looked like they had to hit like the Picksick lottery and stuff like that. That was, that was the happiest war room I've ever, I've ever seen in my life. They, you've been in some Nets war rooms. We weren't doing that. Well, what we said on our broadcast, the Nets War Room exploded when they made the pick for Brown. Yeah. And I said, and that's the same thing that the King's War room did because the Kings really wanted A-Cuff and they were both cheering at the same time.

So the Warriors were live streaming their draft room with no sound. You didn't see this. No. Oh, wow. And they go over their time. In fact, we thought, like, maybe there's a trade because they went probably a good minute past their five minutes and they thought there was a chance. And you can see Joe Lacob.

Everybody's sitting down. Joe Lacob and Mike Dunleavy are standing there, having a back and forth. I don't know if I would say it's animated, but they're definitely it's not cordial. It didn't look the mure. Didn't look cordial. And then finally they sort of turn out, turn and do about faces and Dunleavy calls in the pick. And so afterwards Dunleavy says, we got into it about the best

golf course in San Francisco, which is clearly a lie. So it makes me wonder what went there. They said they weren't close to a trade. So I, to be continued, on that, Bobby. It would have been in, because I'm just looking at who went here. I mean, you would have, who was the player that was up for debate? Was it an amen? Was it Mara? You know, like there's, there's a list of, you know, there's a list of a couple guys there that you could have probably.

I'm going to get the video for you. I thought they did well. I did. Yeah. I mean, you got 20, you got a guy you can throw out there right now. Who can play. Yes. And Steve Kerr's system, who can think the game. Yeah. Who's positional size. Yeah. Good passer, good screener. You know you're going to need that for Steph Curry. Like, I think they did okay. Yeah.

All right, Bobby. This is not great for a podcast, but at least I can show them. So there's, you can see right there. I would love to see what everybody else is thinking in this. Who's this? I can't see who's with Joe Laker. Everybody else is transfixed on those three. Like, they aren't looking away.

There's a little bit of demonstrative gesturing there. Yeah. You can break that down. You can break that down tomorrow. usually happens is you set your board, then you go by the board. Yeah. And you want to move up. And I think the one thing that drives, and I'm not speaking.

That was when they were on the clock, by the way. And I'm not speaking for what happened in there. I'm just going past experience is that the one thing that drives GMs crazy is that certainly guys that were not ranked higher, all of a sudden magically appear a little bit higher on their board and everything like that. I've seen that happen a lot. And I'm sure it was a point. The board changes, you're saying?

Oh, the board changes. the board that, well, you have it locked in and then all of a sudden. So, so, you know, there's the Ryan McDunna, the dummy board. You remember that story? Ryan McDonough told the story about when he was the general manager. I think it was Ryan McDonough. If I have it wrong, I apologize. They had two boards.

They had like a fake board when we're for when Robert Sarver would come in. Do you remember this story? No. They would like bring out, bring out the Sarver board. There was one board for when Sarver was around. And then there was the real board. Like during the process, not on draft night. That's incredible. If I'm misremembering this, you know, strike me down.

That's incredible. That's some nice subterfuge to keep the owner from messing with your real business. I've had that. Listen, I'm not going to say the draft, but there was a player that was ranked 22nd on the big board on. This is when the draft was, I guess, Thursday, was ranked 22nd on our big board. And then I walked in that room on Wednesday morning, that kid was 14. I said, how the heck did he move up eight? And basically it was a, there was a reconnaissance mission to go watch a player work out, not involving any of us who was in the war room. And this player got moved up eight spots,

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So as you know, I'm not sure if the trade was made all three teams acting in concert. The trade was broken by Shams in two different tranches. Yeah. Where Memphis and Oklahoma City swapped 16 and 17 for two second round picks. Yeah. Then 21, Memphis ended up swapping with Detroit. Okay. So Kareem Lopez comes up. History is, comes up to our set. History is made. He's the first Mexican native born to be drafted in the first round. His English seemed totally good to me. I was very impressed with it. But he was 14 years old. He moved to Spain. He was talking about that. It was 17-year-old. He moved to New Zealand. He was talking about that.

I thought everything was going fine. I do think what I made. mentioned El Tri, the Mexican national team. I thought I made like a World Cup joke. He looked at me like he didn't know what I was talking about. He's like, yep. I was like, boy, I don't know, again, I don't know if I was like me when I'm eating dinner. My wife's talking to me. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure. All right. So we make a reference to Memphis. Now, he's wearing the Pistons hat. The NBA did make some effort tonight to announce trades. A little better. And we were very happy when Nate Ament came up to see us. Amen. Amen. Amen. came up to see us.

He was wearing the bucks hat. We were like, hey, man, this is great. You're wearing the bucks hat. And he was happy. He's wearing the Piston's hat. Okay, so not every trade got done right away. And so we mentioned Memphis a second time. And he kind of gives, it was either me or Vince, he kind of gives his side eye.

Like, why are you mentioning Memphis? And we're like, well, you, you're going to Memphis. And he's like, what? Bobby, he had been drafted for at least 15 minutes. I got, and so he's like, really? And now I feel like I've screwed up because like, well, it's a three-way trade. Maybe I've just told this kid he's going to Memphis and he's not. Don't I feel like the bleeping a hole?

And then the producer comes in our ear and he's like, no, he's going to Memphis. And so then I go, no, you're going to Memphis. And he takes the hat and turns it around. That is. I think it's very possible. I think it's very possible. We told him he was going to Memphis. If it wasn't you, someone else would have been.

I understand. Somebody always has to break some news, but that was unusual. We were checking and the producer in our ear was like, no, he's going to Memphis. And right when he said that, I think he might have heard it too, he turned his hat around because he had on the Detroit hat or the hat with a Detroit. Yeah, because he was wired in so that he could hear us. He could hear everything. So that we could hear our mic. So he was hearing, I assume he was hearing the producer.

Yeah, he had to. He's like, no, he's going to Memphis. And he turned that thing around. And he didn't look mad or angry or anything like that. He looked a little confused. I was confused. I was confused. So that's a first.

That is a first. I've never seen that happen before. So I hope he is going to Memphis. I think he is. Anyway, I got to tell you, the guy that I enjoyed talking to the most tonight was Alan Graves. Yeah. He went to Toronto. Yeah.

Santa Clara, he started four games. He was a bench player in the West Coast Conference. And we were talking to him. Amon Shumper was on the show with us, and Shump was asking guys, what are you going to work on this summer? Like now that you're an NBA, what are you working on? And he's like, well, I really feel like I need to work on, you know, my switching ability and getting, you know,

and getting ready to switch. And I was like, that's something you hear from a fourth year player who understands his only way forward is to be a role. player. And they started to talk about some other stuff. It was very clear. We were not talking to a guy who was 20 going on 18. We were talking to a guy who was 20 going on 28 who already was understanding what was going to take to be in the NBA, even though he was 19 thick. And I couldn't tell you, I can't tell you how impressed I was with him. And then I'm like, when did you get invited to the green room? He goes, Wednesday. So six days ago, Bobby, he's like, well, maybe I'm a second round pick. He's a bench player at Santa Clara. Yeah. He's a bench player at Santa Clara. Yeah. And he got drafted 19th in the draft. Well, and that's the thing. And it's like, you know, you see all these players who get invited and you're thinking, man, this is all. How many guys were left in the room?

One. Who is that? Isaiah Evans from Duke. Yeah. Hopefully they'll come see us Wednesday. I will say last year I did the second round. Did you do the second round last year? There was a dozen or so players there and there was some great moments.

You had some guys in the, listen, I, you'll have some guys in the, listen, I, you It stings. You're here and you don't get drafted in the first round. You got your family here. It's stings. But at the end of that month from now, playing the Summer League, it's just, listen, if he gets, if he gets picked by New York at 31, if they don't trade it, it's a good fit. Remember Richard Lewis? Remember Richard Lewis? I want to say he was the 30th pick by Seattle. And was it 98, I think. And this was in the green room, they only offered, like, lottery guys. And he sat. and sat and sat and got picked in Seattle was still that was still Gary Payton and Ben Baker and George Carl was the coach and he wound up that was the best place for him you know to start his career you just don't think of it when you're in the moment you're thinking this what is but I'll say this Wendy all the guys we talked to tonight most of them talked about little things most of them talked about not the things that they were great at but knowing okay

if I'm going to survive if I'm going to get minutes on whatever team I'm on. Yeah. I got to do some of these other things that I haven't had to do. It just showed me an awareness and sort of like an emotional, competitive intelligence that I can't just be me.

What was the kid? Wendy that said, what was he going to? I don't know if he's going to Oklahoma. He's why I'm drawing a blank. And he was like, six, four, 180. He's like, I got to put away. Then it starts.

You got to put on weight. Yeah, yeah. Got to get stronger. Yeah. Like you're taking the stuff from the interviews and you're applying it to the discussions in real time. Well, what's going to kill? A lot of these, I mean, it's such a transition now you're going from the guy.

It's basically like the intangible stuff. It's like that's what's going to get you on the court. Little like little things that you didn't probably do at Iowa or some of these, some of these not made not for probably E.J. or Darren, but the guys in the in the, in the, in the teens there. Is that the, that's what's going to get them on the court? I thought that was kind of interesting, that Charlotte drafted the two German. Yes.

They've won Villanova. They did. They did. They did. They did. Yeah. Yeah. To, uh, two, to, uh, hona Steinbeck is an elite level rebounder.

And we talked about it on the show. Debt left shrimp really took him under his wing at, you know, there's a train. There's a train. At Washington. The Washington has a train of guys, German players. Yeah. That have gone through. And his dad was, you know, played with Dirk.

Yeah. And then Christian Anderson, let's just say there's no short of confidence with Mr. Anderson. He knows, he thinks he's the best shooter in this draft. He told me he's the best shooter in this draft. And Charlotte goes forward. It's funny, we're talking about it on TV. And I had to do a double take because I was like, am I saying this the wrong thing? They both were the teammates together.

Is that wrong? And Charlotte goes that direction. No, Anderson totally talked about it. He brought it up. He said, I'm so excited to play with my teammate. And I was like, just so everybody knows, he's talking about his team on the German national team, which the Germans have a great track record. They are currently the reigning world and European champions. They guys have played junior.

They haven't played the senior, but they're going to play senior. Also, I thought an interesting moment tonight. I don't know, maybe I was projecting on this, Vince, you can tell me. Chris Sernak, the Houston kid taken by Boston. Yes. Oh, Wendy was over the moon for him. He came up, first off, getting taken by Boston at 27 as a place you want to be. Yeah.

And I could tell he was kind of a little bit, maybe down a little bit. Okay. And so he came up and I called up the Celtics draft history and I said, here's the dudes that been taken, 26, 27, 28. And I said, Robert Williams, Peyton Pritchard, Hugo Gonzalez, Baylor Shireman. I might be forgotten. Where did Rondo go? He was like 21. He was like 21.

He was late teens. late teens. I think it was a bot pick. Yeah. But if you get picked 27 by the Celtics, I like your future. Yes. I agree. I mean, and they need size.

I mean, that was a best available. Jordan Walsh. So I don't know. I feel like maybe I bucked him up by like 1.3%. No, I think you made him feel better. No, I do. Because when you're a kid and you're sitting here and all the intel that I had gotten on him, and I told him that was everything from 19.

on. Yeah. And 20 guys are going to be from 19 on. You know what I mean? Like everybody can't get there. And it's all basically depending on how you wind up projecting your depth chart or what you wind up figuring out. You're going to do with free agency and stuff like that. But I heard nothing but good things about this, you know, defense and rebounding. Yeah. That stuff travels, man. Yeah. I mean, the one thing with the one little concern is his ability to stretch the floor and consistency from three. And, you know, the hard part with all these players is that when they were in high school or when they went through the portal they all had the right they picked where they were going and when i met with all of them i said what's the one thing that makes you scared

about this process not having control of where i am going basically and you saw it play out tonight with uh with a bunch of we had three at the end and is a day didn't get drafted and he will on uh on wednesday but we had uh we had a you know uh we had a couple of these guys sitting there yeah camera car car car Cameron Carr yeah okay Cameron Carr obviously he was upset yeah also the guy who went to Philly why am I blanking LeBaron by the time he got to us he was in a better mood and we were saying hey listen Tyrese Maxi Vija Edgecom you're gonna be playing with these guys he was not happy I think I picked 20 second Cameron Carr came to us I said first off you're a Laker right

all right all right it's like Luca was all upset I was like Luca they could have traded you a Somewhere else. Yeah. All right. All right. Second thing is he was talking, we were talking to him. And like, we got two questions in. And he just clear out.

He's like, listen, shut up, Vince. Shumpert, I played with you on 2K and you had the greatest dunks. I played with you every game. And Shump just like. That is awesome. Lit up like a Christmas tree. Oh, man. Oh, yeah.

Come on. Keep talking. Keep talking. He's like, I loved your dunk package. Oh, my goodness. And he was going on and on and on about it. He's like, I told my friends I would talk to you and tell you that. He was, as Vinny said, he was fanboying out.

It was like double dutch. You ever see someone like, when I'll jump in, one I'll jump in. He's like, oh, I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I literally leaned in like, Vince, get the way. Get out the way. Well, you know, when I was with the Nets, I traded for his dad.

Yes. Wow. By the way. By the way. He announced he was good. He wanted to be in the dunk contest. He officially entered the dunk contest. And by the way, the NBA will take him.

They better take him. He's a hell of a dunker. Yeah. So anyway, I had fun in my first draft. I don't know how any of these, how good these players are going to be. I'm not a draft, Nick. I don't know a lot about them.

Wait until we get to round two. I know. I rely on other people's expertise. I steal liberally from their work. Round two will be the round of juniors and seniors. That's what we're going to see. We're going to see a lot of, we'll see a couple of, Malik Thomas from Arkansas, who's in the stands.

He'll go. I'm surprised he didn't go on first. Yeah, he'll go. And, you know, That's, Vinny, that's a hard thing is like he had the option to go back to school. Yeah. Probably make a lot more money than the second round pick exception, which is one point. Well, like Coa Pete went 30th tonight.

Coa Pete could have went back to Arizona. In Arizona. And Arizona is going to be a champion last next year. But he was, Coa was adamant. He's like, I'm in it. Yeah. You know, we'll see what happens here. And there was some concerns as far as based on his shot, what it'd get, you know, can he

stand a floor if he's not doing things defensively here. and he goes 30th. Ended up a Phoenix Sun. Yeah. How about that? Like we get traded twice. It's funny, we always talk about Phoenix. Oh, the draft assets, blah, blah, blah.

And I always somehow managed to get in the first round somehow. The Knicks were, the Knicks were looking for your open for business. Someone to take on. All right. That's enough for today. That's enough draft for now. No more podcasts for a couple of days. Can we do that?

Can we all agree to that? Well, hopefully not. Hopefully. We'll see. All right. No promises. Thank you, everybody who's helping us put everything together here in Brooklyn, including Jackson. He's here.

I'm tired of Jackson. I see him over like four days. I used to go like four months not seeing him. Thank you to Bobby. Thank you to Vince. Thank you, everybody for watching listening to Hoop Collective. We'll talk to you hopefully on Friday, but I don't know.