Brian Windhorst & The Hoop Collective - REACTION: Knicks Win EPIC NBA Finals Game 1 Over Spurs

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

Brian Windhorst is joined by ESPN's Tim Bontemps, Tim MacMahon and special guest Iman Shumpert to react on the court to a crazy NBA Finals Game 1. The guys tackle Brunson’s toughness, an amazing game from KAT, Wemby looking tired and the keys to the rest of the series. Plus, some special ideas for Stephen A. and 7th Avenue. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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talk about the NBA, which we're doing on Wednesday evening here, just after the Knicks win game one of the NBA finals, take a 1-0 lead and home court advantage. To my right, to my left, Timbont Tems. Hello, everybody. NBA champ, former Nick, once a Nick, always a Nick. Nobody would have known you were Nick with the way you addressed today. Nobody would know. Eamon Shumper and Ben McMahon.

Howdy, partners. Hey, we appreciate Eamon here wearing hoop collective colors. We actually have a hat for them, too. You see what I'm saying? Y'all thought it was Nix tape, man. This is the hoop collective the whole time, man. Check the mic. Shump, I think what they say is you're feeling yourself.

Hey, listen, right now I'm feeling myself just because I pride myself on watching a ton of film. And it's like, if you watch film, you understand. I know there's a lot of times we sit up there at these desks. We sit up there, you know, in the rooms and we give our takes. We talk about the stuff that we see because we watch it night in and night out. And a lot of times I read the reactions on Twitter and I'm forced to believe that y'all just don't watch the other conference. Maybe y'all just don't watch enough TV games. Maybe this, maybe that.

Maybe I'm privy to a little more film. But I'm like, there's no way you didn't see this coming. And the interesting thing about it, though, when I watched the game tonight, as proud as I am that I knew the Knicks was going to win tonight. and I knew how it would happen. I didn't see it coming that San Antonio has quite a few adjustments that they can make. I felt like they would feel a little more boxed in on the chess match, but I feel like not a lot of adjustments were made in the middle of the game like I thought they were going to come. So I'm actually really interested on game too.

Well, this game, it wasn't a particularly well-played game, right? So it became a triage situation. Who can hold their wounds in as long as they can. And there was a couple of times I was like, well, San Antonio's got this. And then I thought the Knicks had it. And then now it's like, okay, well, now we've got a real game that could go either way. Because sometimes somebody hits all their shots and they lose. This was a game that truly could go either way.

And this is a game that could end up determining the finals. We won't know for a while. But what I do know is this. Jalen Brunson in the fourth quarter despite being nicked up a little bit despite having a bad shooting night despite having some sort of

a bad shooting in 46 minutes besides some sort of mental game with Scott Foster he smelled that he could take the game well listen that's what happened Jalen Brunson is the most mentally tough player in the NBA and if you give him an opportunity to take a game

down the stretch he's going to take advantage of it. He was not very good for large stretch of the game. He shot the ball poorly. Like Tim said, he had to play a ton of minutes. The mind's right that he had a good floor game. He kind of kept the Knicks organized, but it was a grind to get through the game. Took some blows, had to bang his knee in his foot early in the game. But we were talking about it. Fourth quarter started to tie game. Say, all right. The Knicks are right where they want to be. They did not play well. They didn't shoot well. But Jalen Brunson's got it on his racket to win the game. And you take him over pretty much anybody in that situation.

A tennis reference. Well, listen, if you give Jaylen Brunson a chance to win a game, I'll feel pretty good about my chances in that situation. And even after Wemby made that run, when it looked like you didn't have any gas in the tank, and they got that lead a couple minutes ago, Jaylen Brunce gets out offensive rebound, hits that corner three, makes the crazy shot over Devin Vassell, like, just made sure the Knicks made sure they pulled out this game and sets us up for what should be a hell of a series.

And look, if the Spurs are going to beat the Knicks in this, series they've got to put their foot on the Knicks throats because you cannot let Jalen Brunson hang around he's too too great of a clutch player he's got honace or too grande okay uh and seriously dude this dude bro the man's texan the man is 10 of 20 some don't know about the 10 and 29 from the floor. And it's time to make the biggest shot of the game. Boom, hits the corner three. It's time to make an even bigger shot of the game.

And it hits that tough shot over Vassel. Make or miss throughout the game has zero impact on his mentality, on his confidence, on his approach. You know, a lot of things happen to put the Knicks in that situation. But Jalen Brunson was able to take him home. Yeah. So I felt jump. LeBron always talks about catching a second. wind. Yep. I felt

Victor looked tired right out of the gate. Without it out. And I was waiting for the second wind because the bronze taught me about that. I don't really think he ever got it. Maybe a little bit of energy in the fourth quarter. He had it for that couple of minutes stretch when he got him back ahead. We had the dunk and everything. When he had that, he scored those seven out of eight points in a row,

got him back in front. It looked like that might be the push to get him over the line, but that was all he had. I know what you mean, though. There's games that Victor Wimbunyama starts the game with an energy that you can't match. He couldn't pull that out of him. Even though he was trying to make plays, make things happen, it's like he has an advantage because he's taller, but he never got into that psycho mode that we've seen him in. He was pulling on his shorts in the first quarter. And I know the game started out frenetic.

I mean, listen, we what we talked about it going back to the conference finals, right? He had 24 rebounds in game one. Yeah. He had 17 rebounds in game two. Come on. Today he wound up with 12, but he's only had 12 today and 10 in game six. If you watch, you know it was a tough 12 toward the end and there was long rebounds. It was a lot of extra.

And he and he was not in the paint. It was a lot of jumpers. It was a lot of floating around the perimeter. And Carl Anthony Towns played the single best game of his entire NBA career. Because he kept it simple. He didn't, he didn't make any silly fouls. He made Victor work the whole time. When the Knicks couldn't hit any shots early in the game,

He was the one driving their offense. Carl did every single thing right in this game. So Victor got the ball on the perimeter, was trying to drive it. He was having trouble getting around Carl Towns. I mean, he couldn't get around him. And then everybody, when he put the ball on the floor, the Knicks came slapping. He had six turnovers.

They were slapping at it. The Knicks are as good as San Antonio. We, San Antonio and O KC defend at a level on the West Coast that makes it seem damn near like nobody can match it or it's foreign. If the Knicks were on the West Coast, we'd be saying that they are one of those top teams, too, that can defend. They are a team that if you watch every person that catches, you one, have to protect your catch.

Two, while the person's guarding you, you have two other people on the elbows, and they're not sitting at the elbow flat. They're sitting at the elbow with their leg up, ready to deny that next pass and also show a jab at you to where there's no driving lanes available. And there's guys like Josh Hart and OG and Ninobe who are big time playmakers. That will leave their man and go for a steal.

When they go for a steal, they trust their guy to rotate. It's like not all teams have that on the string, but to have a team like the Knicks that four guys rotate the same way they do on the other side, it can throw you into a shell shock and it could cause a lot of three-pointers or turnover. Something else. The way the rotation was set up, Brunson was on the court with energy when Benyamma. went to the bench. Happened in the third quarter,

happened in the fourth quarter. And as soon as he sees Luke Cornett come into the game. He goes. Third quarter, Wembe goes out, 7-0. Immediately.

Bam. Change the game. Fourth quarter, Wemby goes out as Brunson comes in after the timeout, drive, drive. Victor, get back to that scorestable. Yep.

And so, like, honestly, I know that sounds crazy because you would never match a center to a guard. Mitch Johnson might have to make sure when Bunyama is on the court when Brunson's on the court. But the Knicks are going to be able to do that because Victor has to take those breaks the way he plays these burst minutes, right? So you can time it to get Jalen out and be back ready to go. And, you know, the cornet minutes have been an issue throughout the playoffs for San Antonio because it is a time when Shea cooked in the last round.

Jaylon could cook in those spots in this round. And the Knicks have got to win those minutes if they're going to win the series. They had a rough stretch of them in the first quarter night, but second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter. they dominated those minutes. That ultimately is why they won the game. And we're looking at this from a lens of, if we're comparing the Knicks to OKC, the Knicks are healthy.

Yeah. They beat the Spurs team that was not healthy. You're right. AJ Mitchell was not avail, and he is an animal. Jaylon Mitchell's guy had 40 points in game five of the finals. It was all NBA last year. He was available for, what, like seven, six or six quarters.

Basically one game. So it's like you lose him, you don't. don't have J-Dove, who they missed out for most of the year. They figured it out. But they were expecting to have him healthy and rolling. That was one of their primary ball handlers. It's like the Knicks don't have that problem. Even when Jalen went down, it's like,

Grand Del V-Alvarado don't have a problem putting it up. He's not gunshot. Well, and Carl Towns is getting the ball to top of the key, and the way the spurs are guarding him being so up on him, like Carl has the ability to put the ball on the floor that almost nobody on the fucking. Carl took like no threes tonight. And I love that he does that. little elbow to give himself like extra little.

Just a little bit of space. Yes, but not so much of a hook to get a foul, but enough to get space to get inside. And Wimby's arms are so long. They're getting caught for just a second where he has to maneuver him and get him on brown again. And by that time,

Carl's able to stretch. And he didn't have quite the energy to get there either, right? So like Carl would get that first step, get by him. It's over. And then Victor was just trailing. And it was straight line drive. And then if they didn't have Wimby on him, Cat was going to the glass and just eating on the glass.

He was awesome. Look, Cat was, best game his career. I'm not going to go that far, but a massive game. And it's probably time to stop this perception of Kat as a guy who's not tough. Okay, this was a tough game. Wait a minute. Oh, he's had a perception. Oh, he's had a perception.

But that's why I'm saying it is the best. He'll play back to the basket, but it's not tough. Oh, he's had a, there's definitely a reputation as a poor defender. This was an outstanding defense. And that's why I'm saying it's the best game. Wemby was two of 12 with Kat as his primary defender. Kat has also had some good performances back in the Minnesota days as the primary defender against Joker when they were able to beat the nuggets in that series.

And look, Kat is a guy conference finals, conference finals for a different team. Now in the finals, he's proven himself as a playoff winner. And just now we'll say one game of success defensively against Wemby doesn't guarantee that it's going to continue. I mean, we saw Hartinstein kind of off and on have some success last series. What happens in game one doesn't always relate to what happens in game. two. Okay, I'll never forget Eric Spolstra Shump. He was an assistant coach on Team USA, the World Cup in 23, where they didn't have their first, second or third choices a lot of times. They ended up with Josh Hart as their power forward. And Eric's Polstrel, he was Steve

Kerr's assistant. He said, Josh Hart, they had just played him in the playoffs. He had just played the Knicks in the playoffs. He said Josh Hart doesn't get 50, 50 balls. Josh Hart gets 30-70 balls. Fifteen rebounds. tonight track down some balls in that fourth corner when it i mean now it was just an automatic spurs are getting the ball and josh somehow got it all the way back in bounds just like unbelievable hustle plays things alive for steals i was just i was about to look up at steals and how often you see the air box just get picked clean in that he was you don't see that we haven't talked about the spurs much at all there fox was awful tonight he was awful yeah i understand why he's

playing i usually try and get my man a pass and yeah he got the hurt ankle but yeah this the final You play with him in Sack, right? Yeah, that's my boy. Look, he's a great player. Were you his vet? Somewhat. I didn't feel like enough people could communicate correctly to him. But I wasn't like his original vet, but it was like I think I was able to get his ear a little bit better to.

I just knew how to talk to him because I was like that and it took somebody like Mello to talk to me. You know what I mean? So I knew how to communicate to him. Sure. But the air and box has always been a problem. He's an animal. but he kind of took a back seat because he wasn't playing well, and you can't do that.

And he missed a big shot. You have to continue to be aggressive. He missed a big one down the stretch. And look, that's a bad turnover. He's a former Clutz player of the year. So is Jalen Brunson. One guy played that role and looked like it tonight,

and Deeran Fox wasn't able to do it on the other end. To me, talk about adjustments. You said the Spurs didn't do enough adjustments. One big adjustment for me in game two, Dylan Harper's got to play a lot more. Dylan Harper. He's so good. Dylan Harper, I think, is their second best player.

already and when he was on the court he was getting wherever he wanted he's shrugging guys off like he's a six-year vet totally calm and under control all the time and he's got to play more minutes like what you said i think he had 11 second half minutes like he's got to be playing 35 minutes are always so timely yes it's like getting ready to be a uh a eight point swing and then he just comes in gets a bully and one lay up or he like hits an open three like he just knows how to make a big play starts a move and i'm like well what's he going to do here and he just No, he does what he needs to do. He just creates a lane.

And then goes two foot in the paint to make you feel better about it. Stats and info said, oh, this is a good one for McMahon. Trivia time. There we go. The only reason I'm saying to you, McMahon, is because you know this player. So this will be a hint. Okay. Harper became the youngest player in finals history to score 10 points.

Youngest ever to score at least 10 points. Who was the previous youngest player? It wasn't magic? No, I'll give you a hint. You know the player, and it happened within the last three, four years. I know the player. I don't think he's ever going to get it. I don't want to go through this over here.

I will give him the answer if he doesn't get it. He's not a score. Was it okay? It wasn't OKC last year. He's on Dallas. It was Derek lively. Derek lively. Okay.

That's a good question. Anyway. I would talk about that young, what was that? The young Portland team was the youngest ever. Oh, bad. back with Bill Walton. The youngest player ever to score 10 points was Derek Lively. All right.

I want to talk about that shot, the Brunson hit, with 38 seconds left. We were with Danny Green in the back. What did he say? I'm trying to think now of what he said. I don't remember exactly what Danny said. He was like, oh, he. Danny was impressed. Danny's coverage of guys who made some really good shots.

But Devon Sele played great defense But James has made a better shot Like you really do watch the film and say It's nothing I can do. He made that Where's the thing? He made that. I haven't heard maybe Jaylen is in the press conference right now Explaining that shot so I don't know

He shot it super duper high And I think he shot it that high Because he thought Victor was coming there And Victor was not coming Well he had to get over Vessel too He's got six inches on him He's six too Yeah

And Bissell got a vertical Yeah Jalen Brunson's vertical is not, it's not fast and it's not high. I mean, you had to get it over itself first and then you have Victor coming. That's why I'm still trying to figure out how he gets his scoop off. Because he really not lifting. You know why? Because it's all bump. It's all leverage. Big body. Big body bronzen. It angles. It's angles leverage. And boy, if he puts a shoulder and she's finding a way. The guy just finds a way to get it done. What do you think in what do you think's in Jalen's head?

Now he's, I think he's six, he's totally. He plays. He plays with the. I mean, that's why he's so great, right? You got to be delusional. His whole MO is that he never gets excited, right? Like, he never gets excited. So he makes that shot. And not all, it's a crazy shot. Probably one of the great shots he's ever made.

When he rewatches it, he's going to understand. But he won't talk. And so his response is not even to react to the shot. His response is to bitch at Foster, Scott Foster, about not getting the call. Because I, and I think he's doing that. Yeah, he thinks he didn't actually really even get foul. The reason he's doing that, I think is to like, you tell me if you think I'm wrong this is my read on him I'm not a basketball player I'm not a competitor

my read is he's like I'm going to downplay this so much because I want to show that this is no big deal my my whole MO is it nothing is a big deal everything is just expected so I make this crazy shot that's clinching us the game with 40 seconds left and I'm going to yell at the referee because I sure as hell I'm not going to yell at my teammates I'm not going to I'm just going to yell at the referee I'm not going to celebrate I honestly think it's a step past his team teammates and his confidence, his dad's sitting on the sideline. If I have my dad sitting on the sidelines, a lot of shit that wouldn't impress me. That's just, you know what I mean?

Like my dad's right there. He knows what I could do. And especially his dad because he's going at him all the time. You know what I mean? So it's like I got more in me. Now if he wins some, you're going to see a different type of appreciation because it's like we, we don't have. I'm genuinely going to be curious what his reaction will be if he wins. Because like they won the conference.

Well, I mean, maybe. He won the conference finals and he was just like this. The Dirk response, him and his dad just go to the back and get away from the cameras. It'll be that. It'll be way too real, way too real for TV. Yeah. I think it'll be like that. More Hoop Collective Podcast after this.

I'm not, obviously I'm not expecting him to celebrate. Okay, I know. I am. No, I'm talking about tonight. I'm talking about tonight. So he wins. So he wins, they win tonight. Huge win, right?

Yeah. His first order of business is getting that knee and that ankle right. No. Well, after he goes in the back, when the second the game ended, he spent the next five minutes yelling at the rest on the court. Oh, yeah,

yeah, he got to get that in. Hey. And then he went back and yelled at him again. Well, what's funny is in Dallas, he was a guy who tried to calm Luca down. The buzzer sounds.

He is. Damn right. He's the guy now. He's the buzzer sounds that he gets an audience with Scott Foster. Immediately. Foster's like going over to get his jacket. He's right in Foster's face. Then he does the post-game interview with Lisa Saltors.

And he's like, you know, yeah, he answers the same question in three different ways. Yeah, we did it together. We stuck together. Jalen, you just took one of the biggest shots of your life. Yeah, we stuck together. Okay, that wraps. Okay, back to you, back to you, Mike. And he's looking for, Foster's in the locker room.

Get ready to take a shout. He's looking for him. I totally, I swear to God, it's totally a mind game. It's either a mind game for himself or for everybody else to see. keep himself locked. I mean, I think it is that. But it's also like, bro, I need those calls. We're on the, I'm glad I won, but I'm on the row. If you had said before the game that Jaylen Brunson would shoot his first free throw

with a minute 37 to go in the third quarter, you'd say the Knicks are cooked. Well, and shoot 12 with 31. Right. But forget, forget the, forget the misses. You said Jaylen Brunson didn't shoot a single free throw to the end of the third quarter, you would not think the Knicks are going to win that game. Right. Man.

So now what happens, Shump? Now game two comes. I think San Antonio recalibrates will get the energy out of Wembe. I think we get a better ball game out of Stefan Castle. I think that was a freebie. The Knicks took advantage.

I don't think he's going to play like that every game, at least not offensively. We got a freebie out of Deerrin Fox. You're not going to get a seven point Deeran Fox often. It's just tough. With a speed like that, the capabilities he have to get to the basket finish, make shots. It's like you're just not going to catch those type of blessings.

I think that they take game two. I'd be more concerned with defending game three for the Knicks because they're going to try their hardest to even this out as quick as possible. But the Knicks did their job. They stole a game. They didn't have home court advantage. They stole a game. They put themselves in great position. Well, I wanted to make sure I had a front row seat for,

for Stephen A. Did you see him? His eyes was watering. I told him, relaxed. He can't control it. He needed to talk to Jalen. He can't control it. His excitement is...

I wanted a front row seat. He's jumping out the tie on his neck. He can't keep the tie down. Did you see him? I was like, bro, your eyes red. He, like, wanted it. Like, he, like, wanted it. I'm like, man,

So this is beautiful. He kept it together. He kept it together for the most part. I mean, he was like a coiled snake. I've seen it. He kept it together on Skung Van Pelt. And then as soon as it wrapped, and he was like, if we can win one of these, we can win three more.

Here's a stand-in for all these Knicks fans are waiting for a long time. No, seriously. They're so emotional. They're so emotional. You've experienced it. You know what it's like. For sure. But I've experienced to see them like heartbroken again.

And, you know, like we did, we did good. We took them to the playoffs and then it was like, we lost the game. So I'm saying you were there. I mean, that run you guys had getting to the second round, everybody was going crazy. This is, this is, but I'm saying. Second round. But that's my point. This is so many levels beyond that.

I mean, people, you know what it's like in the city. No, no, I know that. But I'm saying, for me, it's not as emotional. I grew up a Chicago kid. No, no, I just saying, you know what the Knicks fans are like. No, I don't. You were playing? Oh, no.

You experienced it? I won, 91. I was born and then we won. That we won again. That's true. We won again. I mean, yes. Mike would have chilled a little bit.

He would chill, play baseball. We got the jerseys and then we went back to winning again. You know what I'm saying? So that was like, I don't know what it's like to feel for 50 years. I just love to see the emotion. Like, grown men. I just made you see in how the Knicks fans are acting. Yeah.

Growing in the little kids in front of my very eyes is awesome. The atmosphere at the garden. Huh. Monday is going to be. This was great. But just the emotion at the garden, they love this team so much. Hey, listen, game three in the garden.

It's going to be, it's going to be incredible. It's going to be dangerous. No matter what happens in game two. Oh, no matter. They did their job. All you need to do is still one. Get greedy. Yeah.

If coming out of San Antonio with the least one victory sets up the craziest game we're ever going to see on Monday. I mean, it's going to be unbelievable. Y'all want to see this, y'all want to see the show? You want to why Madison Square Garden is the greatest show on there. Do y'all really want to know? Come to game three. Come to game three.

Come to game three. Hey, hey, just borrow Shubbs watch. That might get you a ticket. This will get you, I was going to say. That'll get you in 300 section. Hey, just pull out of your 401K. You know, come on a three. Let's go.

Let me just say, before we go, today on NBA today. Shump had his ring. Oh, the ring. Had his, had his calves ring on. Danny Green had a necklace. How, by the way, how baller was that necklace, Shump? With three of them. He had the replica. Oh, yeah, necklace with three of them on? Every ring. Yeah. Like sort of the top of the ring. Yeah. Man, that's big time. And it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, arranged. So the spurs was top. Yeah, it was arranged just so. So it was like, that's big time. And the, and the, and the, and the, and the trophy was on the set, you know, I'm kind of like Jalen.

I don't really get too excited about things. All these Spurs fans all around us. I was like, damn, this is. Those are some winners. You know, Perk didn't bring his ring, but, you know, Perks over there, he's a chain. And, you know, Danny joked about me having my chains over my tie. And he waited until now. Oh, yeah, he did.

Oh, yeah, he did. Through three rings. Uh-huh. That is a whole mission of a baller move. You should have called him on that. No, it was such a shot. Honestly, I can't hate to. I'm just saying the rings were out.

Yeah, it was dope. If you could, if you could display three rings, you do what you gotta do. Man. But it was, it was. That whole set, though, if I give a shout out to all the fans that stood with us for two hours. And they had the energy the whole time.

Insane. Real talk. I'm not, I don't get too excited about anything. These guys know. Real talk. The rings were out. The trophy was out. It was a good day.

It was a great day. The Knicks had this amazing win. This is a hell of a game one day. I don't want to mess up, but I'm thinking about going to karaoke. It was definitely. I think about it yesterday. I think this series has the most juice since one Shump knows pretty well 10 years ago, Warriors Cavs.

Hey, man. And this first game certainly delivered and should be setting up to be a pretty epic series. Game two, Friday night, Bontemps, Shumpert, McMahon. Thank you for watching, listening to the Hoop Collective. We'll talk to you later this week. So are we watching the Knicks that are about to become a dynasty? A dynasty? Relax.

The era of victory. Oh, no. The next win, we're having a different conversation. I'm letting y'all know this. We're having a different conversation with the Knicks win. Shum, let's see if the Knicks win three more first, okay? I'm just saying, if they win, let's relax on the dynasty. They don't want a title of 53 years.

The conversation was going to change when the Nuggets won. Of course. It was the Nuggets. Of course. It was the Nuggets. I'm just saying. You know what I'm saying? That's all I'm saying.

Let's be fair. We would spend a tweak when OKC won. And it was just one. It was me too. I was excited. So we can't get excited for the Knicks. Let's just see if the next get to the finish line. And with three more, you can get really excited.

Or are we about to watch the beginning of Victor Winbenyama standing on the NBA? Well, I think we're head there anyway. But the Knicks might be. You can't stand without a win. I agree. Just whether it starts now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no.

No, no. No, no, no. No, no. We're not stand it. without a win. I want to say one thing. All the awards is cute. You said the next win.

You were going out on 7th Avenue. Does that still stand? Yeah. All right. And I will. I'll be JR security. You really want that job? Yeah, trample J.R.

Hey, he's got great ball security. You feel? And I got, you know what I'm saying? I was always low base, you know, strong core. You know what I'm saying? That was all my things. I think I could get the low base. to stay on my feet.

That's what I'm trying to do. But I'll be out there if y'all win. Wendy, will you be out there? Hell no. Hell yeah, man. Winnie need to redeem himself. I'll personally walk him across. Y'all cannot mess with Wendy from now on.

When he walk across, open it up. You know what I'm saying? Open up. Let's let him through like Kanye. All right. There we go. Let my boy through. All right.

Adios amigos.