Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Alana Haim & Sasha Spielberg

Episode Date: December 12, 2022

Musicians and actors Alana Haim and Sasha Spielberg bond with Rachel and Olivia over growing up in the valley, signs, boys and BFFs. They also discuss bagels, Licorice Pizza, music, Sasha and Alana’s new podcast Free Period and more. Broad Ideas is supported by Caraway. Visit https://carawayhome.com to score up to 20% off your next purchase of non-toxic kitchenware.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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where I introduce our podcasts with two silent partners. Olivia and Rob, who sit there. You do a great job. And stare at me blankly. No, we have big smiles on our questions. Because you think it's so funny

that you're sitting there quietly. And then we look at each other. And smile. Make sure the other one's still doing it. So today, on broad ideas, we have Alana Heim and Sasha Spielberg, who have a new podcast called Free Period, which I think is such a fun, awesome concept. And when you think about it, it really encapsulates like they go off of their seventh grade experiences. And if you think back to seventh grade,

it's a pretty formidable year. Really fucking formative and what, formal? What'd you say? Formidable. Formidable. Pivotal. I didn't pronounce it like that. You also get a locker. You get a locker. That was so fun. Yeah. Like, how are you going to decorate your locker? What old white man was your junior high named after? Robert Milliken.

Milliken. Mine was Walter Reed. I had Carl Sandberg. All old white men. You're so right. Yeah. Damn. Damn, Rob.

Sam, that was a mic drop right there, Rob. But I was super, I'm such a super fan and super excited. And I'm so happy they're going to talk to us about their podcast. And we get to talk to them about all the things. Why don't we welcome Alana and Sasha? Why don't we? Let's do it. Sometimes when the world's sick inside of Rachel's little brain,

all these thoughts are swirling round and round. Come inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys that'll make you cry. We'll talk about death because people die. Where did you grow up? I grew up in the valley.

I'm like full Valley Girl. Oh, yeah, that's right. We're Valley Girl. Oh, yeah, you're a Valley Girl. 100%. Yes. Where were you? Which valley? Which valley? Which valley? I went to Grant high school where you filmed. No. Yeah. It was Grant, wasn't it? Because we were watching part of it.

I think the part of it was Grant. We also were in Tarzanah. Taft. It wasn't Taft. It was like an elementary school in Tarzanah. Elementary. Which I'm touring. Oh, my God. Are you? Really? I forget what I should know. I mean, now I feel like I moved to the east side. Now I don't remember anything. from the valley. But I was Studio City. Well, Valley Village. Same. Same. You were in Valley Village? Yeah. North Hollywood.

Valley Village. What streets did you grow up on? I grew up like Laurel and Riverside. That was like... The Gelsons. I mean, this is... This is 100%. That is... Where'd you go? Yeah. I'm like, I'm Palisades.

Yeah. I was on the west side. Yeah. But we still love you. A lot of our friends were. But it was always like... the 310818. Yes. I'm like, I have an 818 number.

Do you still have an 818? I do. Dude, she kept it. I will never fucking change that. I went to the T-Mobile store because I had to change my number and there's like a new valley area code. There's like a new one that's like six four. It's something weird.

And I've never been this person. I'm like, I mean, talk about people pleasing. Like I've never been this person that's like that's not going to be okay. Like anything, it's like, oh my God, thank you so much for this. And the only time that I have. have not been a people place there my whole life was they gave they're like okay so your new number is like six four and I was like come again excuse me hold on I was like um I am an 818 number till the day that I die and the guy was like there's none left and I was and I had to be like you need to check again

and luck there was like one left no there was like one and it's a terrible number it's like a number and none of the numbers like match it's like it's like impossible to remember possible to remember But it's not like three sixes or anything, right? No, no, I wish. That would be amazing. But no, I, yeah, I made sure that I had an aim. Yeah, like my, our other best friend when we were really young and we moved like by the Hollywood Bowl and we're not in the valley anymore. We're changing our numbers at three to three.

Like, you know, like that young mentality of like, oh, we're cool. And now I regret it so much. It was like, I mean, Sasha, I'm sorry, but it was a great. No, we're going to find where we connect with you too. Don't you worry. I went to the gallery a few times. There you go. Okay, good.

See, there's always something. No. She's like, no, I'm more than you. The gallery wasn't outside. The Sherman Oaks gallery was. Before the 94 earthquake. Yes, it was. Oh, I was thinking of when it still had, what was the movie store that was like, oh, God.

Tower Records? Blockbuster. No, no. Like the, they sold. Okay, it'll come to me later. But when it was, okay, it was outside. Because the Sherman Oaks, the fashion square was outside. Yeah, it was.

The fashion square was outside. Oh, it used to be right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so maybe all the valleys were outside. It's not called. I don't think it's called. I don't think you can say the fashion square anymore.

No, it's called like Westfield Sherman Oaks or something. Really? I know fashion square. I did have a best friend who lived in the valley. So I feel like and I was up how I'm feeling. You know what? We're all grew up in L.A. Yes, it's the same.

There's not many of us, I feel like. That's true. You know, so we. So we do have that common. I can't believe you're both from the Valley. Yeah. That's how we met in high school. We've been, yeah.

Yeah. Oh my God. We've been doing this thing we do for a really long time together. I love it. You know, I love it. Besties and Besties. That's why I know. Our podcast today is called Besties and Besties.

Exactly. I feel very far away from you. You guys are, wait. How long have you guys been friends? Like two years. 10 minute. Actually, truly not that. I mean, no, a long time. We, I was in a band with my brother and we opened for Haim in 2013 at South by Southwest. We played Stubbs outdoors. And it was the biggest deal because it was the lineup was like us, Haim, and Vampire Weekend. Yep. So cool. And it was like,

Theo and I were, I mean, we were so excited. And so Alana and I really, we both, I think, just like got drunk after. We were like, we just played Stubbs. I know. You're so excited. Alana What? She's like dating someone I knew at the time and we Oh yeah

I was like I'm like going through the laundry list because I have dated most of your friends You have that's at this point Sasha opened me up to a whole new genre of man. It's fun. I'm like which one was I dating at that time? Right.

I was dating one of your friends but I think it was the kind of thing I'm like I'm sure you guys have felt the same way but like when I met Sasha was like one I thought she was so cool and I wanted to be friends with her so badly. And I remember the day that we became like besties because we had gone to breakfast together. Like it was the kind of thing where

Sasha had just moved over to the east side. And we like made like a date which like right now feels so weird that ever was like a time. And we like one had breakfast and then we left breakfast and then Sasha was going through like a drama in her life. Oh, I was dating someone who had break up with me every two weeks. Yeah. That's always fun. And Sasha called me and she was like crying and she was like, this happened, blah, blah, blah, and I was like, I'm coming over and we like met up again that day.

And I like brought over wine. Whispering Angel. Which now I realize that you hate Rose. I do not like Rose. So I drink it. But you drink it? I'm allergic. But we like sat on her porch.

Hives. You were like drinking it and like having a little reaction. And I was like, are you okay? But, like, I went over to her house and we had, like, a second date where we, like, then it was just, like, hours of us talking about how much we hate all of our ex-boyfriends. And that was, like, what solidified our friendship. And then now it just feels weird that we were ever not friends. Well, once we ran into each other and we didn't hug because we were living together

at the time, I think. And it's one of those, I love when a friendship can get to that level where you bump it in and you're like, hi. And there's no hub. It's also, like, weird to hug. It's weird to hug you, which is like weird because you just feel like a part of my family. Like I hug my sibling. Yeah, we don't hug when we see each other.

No, that would be weird. Yeah. It would be weird if we'd see each other too much. Yeah. I'm like, ew. Get away from me. Like, I love you. Like, you can just feel my love.

Right. It's weird. Like, it's like, that's when you know true friendship when you can't like hug your friends. Yes. That is a really good barometer for like. I like to hug Rob, though. Our producer, we like to make him very uncomfortable. Just because he doesn't like it and I can tell us when me.

Come on me. You're just like torturing people. Yeah, but it's nice when you meet people and it's automatic like that. Just like, you know. Wait, how many years ago was that? 2013, we met and then we were doing like dance classes together. We would get run. Wait, dance classes?

Yeah. We were doing dance classes. Like what kind of dance classes? J.J. dancer. Yeah. She, J.J. She's a choreographer. Like hip-hop?

It was like a mix. It was like exercise. It was like movement. Jazzercise. A little about jazzercise kind of situation. Maybe we can video a little ditty. I would love. We've done a class in a very long time.

And we would go to like breakfast together. That was our relationship. We loved each other. Both of us went through our first texts ever to each other. And they're so weird. So weird. Like I'm trying to be cool. She's trying to be cool.

We're both like like sick. Yeah. There was like some word or like I would. Jammin. I think you're like we're jamming or something. It was so weird. It literally feels like I think it's like it's like it's. me trying to date you.

Yeah, you do. I was like trying to, like, date you. Yeah, you're trying to pass. I was like trying to be cool and being like, yeah. I think I see like dope. Like, that's so dope. No. I was like,

when the fuck have I used the word dope ever in my life? It was like jamming or something. It was so weird. Jammin. But 2016 was when Alana like really, when we had the hours of whispering angel, high. The whispering angel age.

Allergic reaction. And that was beginning, like January, 2016. Yes. So it hasn't been like you guys. but it feels like it does. Yeah, but there's those people. We do look like you should be best friends. People say that to us.

Like when they see us, they'll be like, you remind me of, I'm like, yeah, because we are one. Yeah. You know, we are one. I was just saying that if my best feeling in the world is, if you've never told anyone something and you just kind of test the waters and you say a snippet of whatever you're thinking and Alana, this is always with Alana, I tell her things I haven't told anyone, and she'll immediately be like, me too.

Yeah, me too. That happened to me too. Happened to me too. I feel the same way. I know. You're 100%. Just synchronicity. Yeah. I love it. Broad Ideas is supported by Caraway. Caraway's holiday event has been extended so you can get non-toxic kitchenware at the best prices. Save up to 20% on all Carraway products, including their internet famous non-toxic cookware set. This exclusive deal won't last long. Make sure to shop your favorite colors and products while you still can. I love my caraway set. Not only do I feel good about cooking in it,

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I don't know. I like it. I'm a Taurus. I'm a sage. I'm a sweet. That's a really sweet. Right? I'm fire.

You're fire. We're earth. Yeah. We're earth. What are you? I'm a Libra. You're a Libra rising. Oh, I'm Libra rising.

Oh, yeah, you are labor rising. Eries moon. Yeah. Write it down. Yeah. Are you guys as obsessed with Zodiac as I am? I feel like it's like a very L.A. trailing when you grow up. But I feel like I'm very obsessed with.

I'm obsessed. I'm going to open it up to the floor. I'm going to open up to the floor. Yeah. I just feel like I've always asked. I always ask. But you know what's interesting when I ask is only when I feel flow. Like if someone's kind of like not engaging or like, you know, like I'm only compelled

to ask when I get the hit. Right. I feel the exact same way. Yeah. You do. Yeah. I ran into someone who. was like, I ran into someone, I don't even know him that well, but I was like, oh,

because he's single and he's handsome. And I was like, okay, this could be a great person to set up with Alana. I'm always looking. And I was like, do you, are you dating? And he was like, you know, I really love to kind of just go. Fuck. Yeah. And then he was like, oh my God, you're perfect for Alana.

It's like, anal. It's like, no, he was like, I really, I just dive into relationships. I don't really date. I just dive in and I go, are you a tourist? And he says, yes. See? It's just immediate, you know when a tourist is a tourist. Yeah.

And a satch is a satch. Wait, do you, I want to hear what kind of guys do you like? Oh my God. Literally runs the gamut. I'm like, really like, I've talking about our podcast. Yeah. Talk about it all. We've had to like dive deep into like our past.

And it's the things that are unlocking in my brain that I haven't, that I haven't thought about in years, like all my ex-boyfriends. I mean, it kind of runs the gamut. I am looking for, I'm looking for a Jew, a nice Jewish boy, because I'm insanely Jewish and I feel like it's kind of like it needs to happen. It's part of it. Would you be open to someone converting? Yeah, of course. Oh my God. Yeah. A million years. You sound like you have someone in mind. I know. Yeah. No, I'm just like, I want to know. No, because you know I had an experience with that. Oh, yeah, you did. where I liked someone, but they were Jewish and wanted to be with someone that was Jewish.

And it got me really interested in, like, what is that like for someone to convert? And the coolest thing, we were watching your movie. And I was like, I'm really like Shabbat dinner. Like, I would be such a good Jewish person. You would be a good Jewish person. I'm a half. I'm a half. You're half.

I'm half. So, like, I feel like it counts. Wait, but you'd be open. My dad's Jewish. My dad's Jewish and my mom converted to studio. Okay, good. I think that's awesome. So you'd be open to someone converting.

Oh, yeah. No, I mean, like, I'm in like this time. I feel like for the last couple of years, I've been so heavily focused on work. And you like kind of get lost in it a bit. And you like figure out like, oh, okay, like, I've been so hyper focused on just like working and doing things. And then you're like, but you come home like after tour and you're like,

well, here it is. Well, I'm alone. All right. Also, I always, what really highlights, like, what really makes me, we're getting very deep in the first five minutes. That's how we do. Vacations are like what really highlights, like, loneliness. Because I go on tour for months and months and months. And then, like, after a tour, like, you always feel like, oh, I want to go on vacation. And you're like, who am I going to go on vacation with? And you're like, this is where you actually kind of need a boyfriend. Right. That's like the only time, like, I never think I ever need a dude ever. And then just like vacation comes out. Because like my sisters both like are serial monogamous and I'm weirdly not. Like I am like so maybe it's my Sagittarius. Well. You're pretty open. But yeah, like and so like I always see like my siblings who like are in these like very long term relationships. And I think the longest relationship I've ever been in this. Once we get to the year mark, it's like, oh, they. Here we fucking go. Here we go. And yeah, it's just hard because, I mean, you guys know it's like work is, especially if you have a job that like takes you away from home a lot and having to find a person. You want like a partner that feels like home. Is it you that bounces? That leaves?

No, usually it's the dude, which what does that say about me? I don't know. But I have the same thing until I didn't. It's because I leave all the time. I wanted to get a shirt that says I leave all the time because that is like the first thing that dudes would say like, like I've dated a. lot of British dudes. And literally it would be like, I like you, but I like, I like, I love you, but you leave all the time. And I was like, oh, okay. Like, there were like three dudes when I was like in my 20s. They're like three dudes in a row that like use that as an excuse to like get out. And I was like,

you guys, you know what you're getting into. Like it's not like it's a secret. Like I'm a touring band. Right. But I leave all the time. Yeah. I get it. I always had a year and a half mark in relationships. And me being a people pleaser too. Yeah. I would stay for another year and a half even though I want because I didn't know how to get out of it you know when I was younger it was like okay something's going to happen and then it'll be the thing and then I and then I leave or make them leave me yeah I know exactly I make it seem like it's their idea of course right yeah so you know so I had a friend who would only date Jewish guys and she you know she had gone through ones that weren't and whatever and it was such drama in her family and we were sitting at work one day and I

joined jade for her oh my god that's right yes I filled out the whole thing I was like I don't care they don't want to do it. I'm doing this. Good. And she met her husband. No. Oh my God. You made a shittuk. I did. I did. That's right. Oh my God. Matchmaker. Make me a match. Find me a fine. Catch me a catch. I think the thing is I think that I'm coming to like realize that I actually have dated like no Jews. That's like the thing. I actually am like the bulk of my ex-boyfriends were not Jewish. And I think at this point I'm I'm coming up on my 30 first. I'm. birthday. And maybe that's what I should be like focusing on. I don't know. But then again, like next week I'll be like, here is my non-Jewish boyfriend. Here's my British boyfriend. As you're getting ready to leave. As I'm getting ready to leave. I leave all the time. Before COVID, we wanted to do Shabbat dinners. And have you bring a plus one. Wait, isn't that a sex in the city episode where you bring someone that you used to date and then the

couch? And then they have sex on the couch. Right. Yeah. And then does it, yeah, like, uh, Samantha brings like a dude and then he figures it out. He's like, is it like a short date or something? Yes, with the baby coat with the baby. With the baby coat. Oh, with the baby. Yes, he shops in the kids. I love Sex and the City.

Everything is talking about. I mean, our whole podcast is about middle school and I discovered Sex and City when I was 14. And I truly was like, oh, now I have all the answers. Yeah. Yeah. You're here. It's the Bible.

I'm here. It's a Bible. But it was so, for me, it was such an informative. I mean, I truly. it almost messed me up a little. For sure. I think it messes it. When you see it at such a young age,

it was like, that's young to be watching sex and beauty. You're not too. Right. That changed me for a libel. That is a real Bible. That is too. Where to you. That changed me.

Rewind. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. So free period is the podcast. And it's so it's only kind of based on middle school. Your experiences that you. Well, basically me and Saja,

how this whole kind of thing came together was, Sasha was putting out an album. I feel like I'm telling your story. Tell my story. That's not happening. I would have no other way. I wouldn't have it any other way. Sasha was like putting out an album and she got asked to do this other podcast where like you get somebody to interview you and she graciously chose me. But we got like really nervous before because we had never really done podcasts before and we got super nervous because we're like, are we going to like talk about like, I guess we could talk about music but that like is not really us. Like it doesn't feel like us. No. And Sasha called me like,

literally four minutes before we were supposed to go on air. And she was like, should we just talk about seventh grade? And I was like, yes. Because when we met, I mean, all those years ago, like, one of the first things that we really bonded on was like the fact that seventh grade was such a big deal for us. Like, it was like the people that we were in seventh grade, it felt like it just never changed from then. Yeah. And so we like went on this podcast and we exclusively talked about seventh grade. Had nothing to do about music. I think I love that. Oh, yeah. And your album's coming out. We should probably talk about that. We were like, oh, yeah.

And then after that, we were asked if, like, by the company, like, do you guys want to make this, like, a real thing? And we had never really thought about it before. And we were like, maybe we should do a podcast. Like, I don't really know. That's pretty crazy. And then, you know, I think that was like two years ago. Yeah. Oh, wow.

And now it just came out. But basically, like, it's that the mantra of free period is, like, who you were in seventh grade is who you are forever. And because it's just. That's amazing. It's really, wait, where did you go to? You're going to have to break that down for us. I could, I mean, welcome to my TED Talk. Yeah.

I went to Milliken, middle school. Same. She went to Milliken. I went to read. You went to read? Yes. I feel left. We were called the Millican Mafia.

Oh, that's good. She was in seventh grade. I wouldn't want her to still be. Oh, interesting. I went here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, so I went to not Milken because people also, because also I am Jewish. So everyone thinks that I went to Milken, which is like all Jewish school.

I did not go to Milken. Were you at Crossroads? No, but you, thank you for thinking I won. I was at Marlborough, which is, oh, yeah, okay. Nerdy, it's all girls. All girls. Yes. Beautiful school.

Yes, yes, yes. Very. We're joking. Stick with my crossroads. But yeah, I went to Milligan and it was just that kind of thing where first of all, I mean, we go through six, seven, eighth and then like some high school. but it's like the time of your life where you first get hormones. So you're like so confused about life. You don't know why you're feeling feelings so deeply for the first time.

You have crushes on dudes that, I mean, mine and Sasha's case never liked us back. Yep. And it was just like traumatic experiences that you like as an older, as now being like an older human. You look back in there so funny, but I remember feeling like the world was ending every moment of the day. Like it was like it is, the world is ending. The world is ending. Willie St. Marie doesn't like me. He was my crush.

He knows. I talk about him all the time, which is so embarrassing. Would you still know him now? What a name? We lost touch for like a very long time. And then we actually randomly did, we like had breakfast like a couple of months ago. In the valley. He's in the valley.

At Art Estelle, he's very sweet. I love you, Willie. You're great. But he was like my biggest crush. But you didn't let me die. It hurts, right? Yeah. It'll still hurt to this day when I think.

think about Oliver David. Oliver David. Double first name. I used to carve his name into my hand. Oh, we into your hand. That sounds, I thought he was at your desk.

That's a little. And then he hooked up with all my friends, but he wouldn't come up with me. I think we were like, we were like the brokers. Like the dudes would come up to us and be like, hey, does Claire want to make out? And I'd be like, hold please.

I would go to Claire. And I'd be like, hey, Josh wants to make out of you. Do you want to make out of Josh? She's like, yeah. And then I would go back to John. Like, literally we were like the middleman. Like we were like, that's who we were in second grade. I was the queen of cybering, though.

Which I was, which was why, that was where I could really. What does that mean? Cybersex. Oh, we didn't have that when we were in junior high. Right. Oh, please. We grew up with A-I-I-N. Oh, my God.

Okay, that, yeah. And I would, I mean, all the boys knew my screen name. Oh, my God. What was it? Shoes 6-26. You like shoes? I was S-H-O-O-Z. because my mom thought that had more pizzazz.

Shoes. Oh, my God. Jazz hands. That's amazing. Shoes, 626. No, I was like really good at cyber sex in a way that that's where I really could. But then I'd see the boys that I was like cybering with at a seventh and eighth grade dance. And it would just obviously ignore.

Ignore. And my greatest goal in life was to, as we called it in seventh grade, freak dance. Of course. I think the East Coast calls it grinding. Freak dancing was. was that's all I wanted. I think I even wanted it more than a first kiss. Like I just wanted a boy to come up to me and freak with me. Freak me. Which is also so awkward because it's like literally like behind like you're like like I remember being at bomb insvas and like dancing and then like you would

just feel like a random dude behind you and it was like your life was made. Your life was made. It was like oh my God. It's happening. It's happening. Yeah. So I so no boy would freak with me ever. and I was the broker, again, the messenger. Yeah, we were the broker. But I was the queen. I could be a different person online. And I was a writer. I was a writer.

I said this on, you know, our podcast. But I one time told someone, they said, how long do your orgasms last? And I didn't know the correct answer. Yeah. I didn't ask Jeeves. So I said seven minutes. Oh, my gosh. I think I ruined this child.

like this organ's life. I was like a seven minute orgasm. That's amazing. You're like seven minutes in heaven. It's named for some reason. Oh my God. So I didn't know what I was really doing, but I was the queen probably because I started watching sex in the city. So I was like, you were Samantha on the day. I was Charlotte in the day. It's Samantha online. That's so good. Queen of Cybering. Oh my God. Did you guys call it scamming? Yeah. We didn't have. I know. I know. I was thinking it was like maybe. We're a little older. We are.

But in seventh grade, scamming was like French kissing, like actually kissing and making out. Scaming? Yeah, like I scammed on her. No. Oh, no. Yeah. Scammed with him.

I scammed with him. Okay. Jose wants to go behind the building and scam with you. Yeah, behind the library and scam. I love it. Oh, my God. I'm going to say, let's bring that back. I may be, I feel like we should.

That feels like a dangerous term. It does. Scamming. It sounds English. It sounds British. It sounds British. It's like grafting. Well, grafting.

We also watch Love Island all the day. All the day. Oh, I need to get into that. It's the best. It's the greatest thing. It's 46 episodes of your life. But I have a question. Yes.

When you would cyber sex, would you then feel embarrassed when you'd see them in person? Wait, would they know it was you? Yes, they know it was me. I wanted to die when I saw them in person. Got it. I felt so uncomfortable because I knew I wasn't hot. And I felt, yeah, I felt ugly. And so I...

What do you mean? I felt really ugly in seventh grade. I know. It's like we all want to tell her seven grade. I felt disgusting. And so I'd feel like this different person when I was... And I was cybering. But then at school, at the dances, like, I felt so uncomfortable in my skin.

And so I actually, I mean, no boy was really, like, looking at me. So I'd see the boys that I cybered with. And I also, you know, they weren't looking at me. So that teamed with knowing that they knew me intimately. Yeah. It was really, it made me even more self-conscious. So that they weren't even saying, acknowledging me. And I was like, we had this crazy thing.

And we had this connection. Well, there weren't pictures, right? No, no. No, no. It was a message. No, we were definitely. Like, pictures were like on like a Costco digital camera that you had to like have like 14 different like wires to connect to your computer. It's true.

It took like 30 years to get a photo off your camera. It was just live reading. It was a lot. It was like this is what's happening. This is what you're doing. I'm doing this now and you're doing this now. Right. I one time said, you know, I remember I said my head is banging against the car window.

And the person asked if I was okay. Wait, Tasha. Are you okay? Are you okay? It's like pause. Health check. Are we good? Medic?

Oh, my God. That's amazing. Yeah. I feel like I might, I wish we could like reread your met. I feel like we could have tips. Oh, my God. Not cybering. I saved my crushes on Microsoft Word.

Oh. With like the paper clip like, hey. As I would paste. It's like, when you remember the paper clip. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Is it the same clippy? Was it the same clippy?

Clippy. So I would be like, this is none of your business clipy. Oh, get out of your clipy. Get out of your clipy. It's like your grammar is in. It's because I'm saying HBU, like NMHBU. Of course it's incorrect. But we would, yeah.

Did you tell your friends or was it like a secret? No. It was a secret. It was your own secret. Yeah. See, I find that really courageous. Thank you. Yeah, that would have scared me. I feel like I could have never put myself out there like that.

Like, could you? I feel like catfishing, I could go to town. But I could never actually do myself. Like knowing you're going to see the person. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, that's very brave. It's brave.

It was in bold. was impulsive rather. I don't know if it was so much brave. I think I was just, I was so obsessed with boys. I just wanted boys to like me. I just wanted to be liked. I do have a question. Yeah. And this isn't to objectify you or bring attention to your body, but I'm going to. Please. Do it. Was your figure the same then as it is now? Because you have a really incredible figure and you're adorable. And why I want to make your seventh grader. I want to make your seventh grader No. Thank you. Were you like that then? I was just looking back at photos and it's the same figure but with like smaller, but I still had boobs. So this was my coming out part. I mean, my coming out party happened at a party at the end of eighth grade. And I, and this actually messed with my head a lot because no one paid attention to me at all until it was the swimming port until it was a pool party. And so I took off my jeans skirt and my vintage like the clash shirt. So cool.

Took it off and all the boys were like, and I was the first time I ever had attention like that. Yeah. And I felt so pretty, but then it made me almost objectify myself where then I had to start wearing like, it was showing off my body more because I was, I felt my face was not as good as my body. And so then I was like, just bleep the face out and just, you know, it was very. So I was. But. Thank you. The body stuff is, it's interesting because I did learn at a young age, like, oh, they like my boobs.

And then I just, I mean, to this day, I wear my boobs out all the time. I really wear them out. Be proud of them. They're beautiful. I'm proud of them. Thank you. I'm proud. And you have amazing boobs, too. You should always be proud if you have amazing, amazing boobs. I'll show you mine. Yeah. Yeah. Just everybody doesn't look like us. Our tops are all off down. Titty's out. But that breaks my heart. How does it feel for you now as a woman to look for you, guys going through that and looking back at that age and like seeing how much of yourself now was formed from that how far are you from that I feel pretty close to her I know I'm very close to her yeah yeah I feel more confident in my like if something awful or embarrassing humiliating happens

I feel confident like I love making fun of myself and I don't think I could have then as much so I feel more confident in making fun of myself yeah 100% which I don't know what that says but It says everything. Yeah. You have to be able to. I think also Instagram when that first came about. And I think when did people start posting their bodies on it? Because it wasn't initially.

I don't know. Yeah. Like, I don't understand it either. Like, I don't know how I could, like, I could never. It's very interesting to me. But it's interesting. Yeah. I definitely, like, anytime I take a series of photos where my boobs are out and I feel like I need to post them or something, I feel conflicted.

Sasha texts me and she goes, is this too much? And I'm like, never put them out there. You're hot as shit. I'm like, why do I care and why am I putting it anything out? I just love my, my like early Instagram photos were like things that I thought were like artistic. I remember like, like I don't know why this is the first thing that's coming to my mind. I remember one of my first Instagram photos was like I went to like some studio or something we were like recording and there was like a Marlboro like cigarette like box. but there were colored pencils

inside of it and I remember taking a photo of it and putting it on Instagram and I think I literally the caption was like artsy it's so embarrassing and the thing is it's like

I was not young when Instagram I was like fully a human and thought that I was cool and like something like that is like so embarrassing and then I put like 14 filters on it because that's like what you would do back then

I'm gonna put 13 filters on this so it's like a Marbara Hipson Matic Hipsigny and so embarrassing. But yeah, no, like I, now I look back on it. I think it's so funny because, you know, we're always growing.

We're always, you know, evolving. But, yeah, no, I still feel. I think I still have the confidence of a seventh grader in the sense of like, especially when it comes to, like, dating and stuff like that. Like, it never really goes away that. I want the confidence of, I mean, oh, you mean, like, you don't. No, I'm just saying, like, in relationships, like, I feel like, and we were talking about this today because I talked about it with my therapist yesterday.

But like you never really feel like enough, which is like so terrible. Like I feel like when I think back to seventh grade, like you like look at all these other girls that feel like they have their lives together. Like they like all the boys like them. They like are funny but like not too funny. Like they're mysterious and all these things. And I just felt like I was like I honestly felt like all I wanted to do was like physical comedy. I was like all about like physical comedy. I thought that dudes would find that so attractive that I would like fall and shit.

do stupid things. Like Molly Shannon style, like folly and you're like a like a, like a, yeah, like superstar like full. I mean, I talk, we, I talked to my sister Essie about it because she was the same way. And I think also I got it from her because I always thought that Essie was so cool and like she was so funny. But like, then you like realize you're like, wait, but like when we're all like at makeout parties and like you're the only one that doesn't have a partner, you're like, oh fuck man. Like that sucks. And then you like start like going inward and being like maybe I'm not enough. And it's like, that's like, honestly. the part, like, being where I am now. It's like, I wish I didn't know that. I wish I felt like

like I was enough. But you are, I will, let me just interject really quick as your bestie. Thank you. You, you, I have to say, you are so, also watching you on stage and watching you just day to day, you are so confident and you are so beautiful. And I do think there are some moments where you do feel it. I do. On stage, I do feel very confident. But even in day to day, like there are, like, I think we just all go through waves. Like, I think we've come so far since seventh grade. obviously. We're in our 30s. I would hope so.

But I think, of course, it's natural to have, I mean, again, my last, you know, I was with someone for four years who was, who would tell me that I was not enough. And I felt that that was what I deserved. So I stayed in that relationship because I was like, no, he's right. And he's inspiring me to be more and to be better. But he would tell me, like, my music wasn't good enough. I need to work harder at that. my voice, he would make fun. If I was writing on the piano, he'd come up and make fun of my voice

and would be like doing an impression of me. And there's one voice note. I sent Alana. Oh my God. It's horrible. I'm recording a song and like playing it and just trying it out as one does when they're writing. And he comes upstairs and goes, not worth recording. And he takes the phone into the voice. Mine's no, it goes, not worth recording. And starts laughing maniacally. And that was for four years. And that was, no, it was horror. I was in a horrible. relationship. I truly, at the time, I think my confidence was so low that I was like, you know what? I was born into this amazing life. Something needs to be horrible. Like I should be made fun of constant. You know, I really was, it was masochism and I stayed with this person

because they scared me so much. And so I was in this and also because the highs were so high, but that was only because the lows were so low. And it was so horrible and exiting that relationship during my Saturn's return. It was really amazing for just to start really loving myself. And I think you've had similar and you and I both have come such a long way

in terms of loving ourselves. So yes, we feel like embarrassed all the time by ourselves. But really at our core, we do love ourselves now. We do. We try. Which is being human. Right.

And like what you guys are talking about is I think that there's not enough people who say it vocally. their insecurities and so many people are trying to put out an image of themselves and they're confident and they're secure and they've got it together. But really, us as humans, nobody feels worthy. And it's one of our biggest challenges I think here on this planet is to know our worthiness. And where does that come from? It doesn't come from our looks or our talents or gifts or any of that.

It's like, where does one go to find that? And in seventh grade, it ain't happening. No, not even close. Not even close. I would find it in Ms. Vaughn's office. School therapist. No, it's every time I would get sick before school. I had crazy anxiety and it would manifest in nausea and, like, sickness.

And so I'd have to go to Ms. Vaughn's office constantly to lie down. Yeah. Which only I just see lying down with like a sponge, like those weird frozen sponges. on your head. It was like weird ice packs that were just literally frozen sponges. Yeah, fully. That was me.

But why did I say that again? Oh, because that's where we'd find Right. Our comfort. It's true. It's never, I mean, I'm still not comfortable. You know what I mean? Like you're always, it's always like you feel like there's someone better.

There's someone, you know, and it's like this insecurity. And you get older and you try to do the work and therapy and all those. Thank God for that. But it's not easy. You know? I'm a humongous fan of inner child work. And I literally will talk to my inner child. Say it's your seventh grader that, you know, you get that feeling.

You get triggered and you feel like, oh, they're prettier than me or more talented or more successful. And I'll literally pause what I'm doing, put my hands over my heart and just be like, you're amazing. Oh, that's so funny. I love you. I'm proud of you. You're rad.

Like I will talk to that part of myself on a daily fucking. basis. And it helps. And after a while, you're like, I'm good with me. Like, I got her. Yeah. I love that. I love that. You know? It's not always easy to do. No, it's a practice. But to me, it's like my number one practice. Right. Right. Because there's a lot of pain in there that needs to be. Totally. You know? Yeah. Handled. And it's like if we can see us, then someone else will. Right. Completely. But if we can't, no one will. And you can have all the wild success in the world. And it doesn't mean anything. No.

Because I would see someone to go on vacation with. Right. No. It's like I see you guys and be like, you're fucking got it all together and you're cool as shit. But it's like you expressing that you still feel those vulnerable things is like so helpful. Yeah. That's so true. Thank you.

I'm like, doing the works off. Right. It's hard. It's hard. It is. It is. And also the... Did you feel that way in seventh grade? Because I didn't. I got my seventh grade much later. Oh.

Oh, yeah. What were you like in seventh grade? I was a fucking shit. Oh, my God. You're at first. Oh, my God. You were you cool in seventh grade? I was really cool. Shut up. I was. I was uncomfortable. She was. But here's the thing. The one guy I wanted didn't want me. Okay. But...

Wait, was this Oliver David? Yes. Dude, we didn't find Oliver David. I know. He's like a hockey. coach of something. She's like, I know where he is. Trust me. I'm married to all of you. No, he never wanted me.

Fuck. We were like best friends, but like he liked all my friends. But I didn't feel those feelings until much later in life. Wow. I had to stop drinking to find them because I just thought everything's fine. Right. Totally. Yeah.

But did you? I kind of were the same as me. Honestly, I'm like, oh my God. Rachel was really cool. cool too. I wasn't, well... Yeah, you were. Let's not lie to your... Maybe seventh grade, I kind of turned a corner. Like, sixth grade, my best friend definitely got, like, all the guys.

And, like, you know, you went through that and she was taller and big boobs. And, like, you know, she could sing really well. And it was just like, okay, she got all the talent shows. But in seventh grade, I'm trying... I, you know, I went through, like, the skater phase. I went through, like, the Cholo phase. I went, not my... The boys. The boys were. Be weird if I did. But... I did.

You did for sure. But I don't, I don't know. I remember like scamming a lot. Scamming. Did you go to a lot of bot mitzvizs? Like did you guys go to Bob Mitzvizs all the time? I went to a few. A few. I got down at some Bat Mitzviz and bars. Mm-hmm. But what's your first bar? Do you remember?

Mine like the first like official like makeout. Yeah. It was sixth grade for me. What about you guys? Eighth. Summer going into ninth grade. What? That was a lame bloomer. You? Terrible. You guys don't remember.

No. I was in fourth grade. It was makeout. It was tongue kissing. My sister made me make out. My sister made me make out with some kid on a dare. So that was my first thing. So then when people would be like, if you kissed and like, yeah, I made out with someone.

I would have been so jealous. I would have been so jealous. We would have tried to be friends with you. I hit my deep, dark insecurities later. Okay. Like what? Like what? Yeah.

Well, I got a boyfriend at 15 and was with him until 23. No way. So that kind of saved me a lot of pain and, like, agony. Because I was like, I got my guy and, like, he was the guy I wanted. And so I hit the 20s were really dark. After you broke up. So 23. Yeah.

From 23 till 33. Yeah. Was a really brutal decade. Yeah. You didn't have, like, a relationship for 10 years. No. I'd date. And it lasts seven months, eight months.

But, no, like a whole decade. Yeah. It was always perplexing. We were always like, what is going on? Because, like, you know, just obviously everyone goes through different things at different times. But it was really interesting. But then you met your husband. And then you met.

Yay. Happy ending. Very. She was one of the most, like, solid, amazing relationships. Incredible. As I sit here, single. That's right. It's like when I hear you say, like, it's a year.

It's a year. I'm like, yeah, and it's going to be until... It's not. Until you're not. Well, I can't wait. If you're listening to this podcast, I'm just kidding. Yeah, if you're listening, if you're listening, if you're listening, dating apps. I have never gone on a dating app.

Yeah. I have never, I don't know why. I don't have anything against them. I just don't, I think if anything, it's like, again, it's kind of like seventh grade where you're like, there's definitely better people on this app than me. So I'm not going to... You were all at that. I'm not going to do it.

I don't think you get to do it. I don't think you get to do it. I don't think you get to do it. I don't think you get it. Didn't you just hear everything I said to say to your seventh grader? I know. I need to put my hand. Don't be mean to her. I know she's just doing the best she can. Also, you were in my, I had Hinge for like a hot second after in 2019 for a hot second. I went on great date. There were great guys on Hinge. Like I went on all very positive dates. And you were in one of my Hinge picks because it was a very cute quote of Alana and me at a wedding. And we look, I mean, I liked myself in it. So I used it. But then I went on all these guys being

like, oh my God, Alana Hyme. Oh. There you go. I'm like, well, it's not me. Well, the thing is, also like, I'm, I'm so, I'm very lucky that my parents, my parents are still together. But the way that they met was just like the cutest story of all time. And like, I like weirdly am like holding out. Like, for that. I will divulge in the story. Yeah, please. My parents were set up by, like, so my mom had a best friend named Sarit. And she was dating. this guy named Avner, and my Avner's best friend was my dad, Motie. And

my dad was like notoriously this like guy that was like, God, had like a lot of girlfriends and he was like, I mean, my parents are literally the back, I'll show you the background at my phone. I'm like obsessed with my parents. I love it. Um, but they like met

and, um, they like went to a sushi restaurant and then they were going to go disco dancing, which is like a whole other thing that I just want to bring up. the fact that like we can't go to the disco. I mean. It's like the biggest. I'm so angry at life right now that like, because my parents.

How much fun would dates be? Like my parents, that's what they would do. Like my mom, like they were like serious dancers. Like they like not professionally obviously, but like they loved to dance. And like on Fridays they would go to the disco and dance all night and then go home and go to sleep. Like that was like their Friday. And like that makes me so sad because they like, there was.

dances that you could learn, obviously, like, the hustle, all that stuff. But like, how fun is that? So fun. Oh. But they went to a sushi restaurant and they were going to go to the disco afterwards. Was it a sushi restaurant in the valley? No, it was, they were, my parents were not Valley people until later in life. I don't like to talk about it. They were lived on the West Side. They were the West Side. Yeah, they lived on the West Side. My dad lived in, like, I think they were like in Santa. Well, my mom went to my mom went to UCLA. Oh, that's why Estee. So also my parents aren't from here. My mom is from Philly. My mom's from Philly.

Really? Yes. My mom's from Abington. Oh my God. I don't know. Lus County. Yeah. But so like in the middle of this dinner, my mom goes to the bathroom.

Obviously, like when you go to the bathroom, your bestie comes with you, obviously. And my, Sarit, I guess, had seen my dad out the night before and was like, Donna, do not go out with Motie. I saw him out with another girl. Last night, he is and not for you. And like the thing is like my mom and him were like kind of hitting it off. And Surrete was like, no, no, no. I am, my bestie is not going out with like a guy that's like dating other girls. Like, no, she is a queen.

She is. And I'm not doing this. And my mom was like, my mom was like a cool. My mom's just innately fucking great. My mom's a baby angel. And she like came back to the dinner and was like, like, the vibe had changed. And my dad was like, what is that? what is going on?

We were having such a good time. What is happening? And I think it was like the switch, which maybe I should try that on a date sometimes. Like, just be super chill and then go to the bathroom and come back and then just be like a mysterious. Right. And shut the dude down. But he was like so intrigued by my mom.

And then literally after they like went to the disco, I think he like saw that she could dance. And after that day, like they never spent another day away from each other. Like they like, he like took her home. and he was very respectful. But that was it. It was like they met and it was like this like he was just entranced by my Philadelphia mother. And they like just, it was just, that's how it happened. So like hearing like this story about like friends bringing, I mean, that's why I've dated all of Sasha's friends.

I have said a lot of. I'm like, let's go to a sushi restaurant and then find a dish go. But I just have this like romantic kind of story. in my mind that I'm going to like meet somebody in a random way. But I have no qualms with dating apps. I just have never done it. Yeah. Well, no, I get that.

I wouldn't want that story. So young. I'm not so young, but like young for me. For us. Like by the time my mom was 31, she had already had S.E. So I think they met when they were 27. That's young. Yeah.

Young. And then got married and then like had S.E. And then Danielle. And then I think I was an accident. But a happy accident. I think I did. definitely was an accident. But they're like, and they're still together.

And my parents, like, still are so obsessed with each other. They're so obsessed with each other. Like, anytime my dad comes and visits us on tour without my mom. 11 benevolent. A leather, yellow leather. Whenever my dad comes to visit us on tour without my mom, like, he like always is like, I'm going to call my wife. Like, like, always checks in on her and is like, is like the greatest parents.

Of course you aspire to. I mean, I want that. I'm like, I want that. I want your parents have. But it's a lot of pressure too because it's like seeing like my parents like just be so in love. And then like I'm in terrible relationships always. I'm like, why can't me be like my parents? Like I'm, dudes really love when I say that. Let me tell you. Sorry. How about parents? Do you want to be my parents? Can me like exactly like that? But no, it's, it's just a very, they're very romantic. Yeah. And it's a lot of pressure because I want that too. Yeah. And how did you meet your husband? So I. I'm very close friends with his younger sister. And his younger sister, who Alana knows as well, she's the funniest greatest ever, Isabel. She was like, I cannot believe we've been friends this long and you've never met my brother.

I honestly need to set up a dinner with the three of us. As friends. As friends. No, truly. And she wasn't even doing any. It was not calculated. It was no shit of. It was just friendship.

No, it was friendship. He had a girlfriend at the time. I had a boyfriend at the time. So it was very friendship. We go to dinner. She's 45 minutes late. And you'd think it was like, okay, she's doing that on purpose. No, she's just, she's late.

Always like. Yeah. And so Harry and I had 45 minutes to get to know each other. And, you know, I thought he was so cute. But of course, I was in a relationship. And I'm very, very, like, faithful when I'm in a relationship. And so was he. And so there was no, like, extra weird.

He was being very respectful. I was being respectful. But I was like, okay, wow. That's a great guy. And then cut to a year. year later, and this is 2020, October 24th, he's a New Yorker. He comes out to L.A. for two weeks, and he texts me and asks, are you around to hang? And I was like, yes, I'd love to, I was at a, I was at a very horrible point with my boyfriend at that time where it just, you know,

I don't need to go into it. But I was, I was really lost and just like, okay, well, I guess I'm just going to be, I think I'm going to be single forever. And I'm going to realize, myself and other people for the rest of my life and just have all these affairs and move to Paris and the 80 and like chain smoking and you know that that was my I was like this is fine and so that sounds like you're saying yeah sounds great I was kind of like happy to be alone and um so here he goes what's better for you at night time or daytime which was a way for him to gauge gauge if I was still with the boyfriend and I said daytime so he goes would you like to go on and walk so we go to the Hollywood Reservoir, which I've never been to, and we're both in, like, formal clothing,

and it's all hikers and runners. And I did not realize the hike was, the walk was three and a half mile. Hold on. What kind of formal clothing? I know. I'm like paying a picture here. I was in, no, I was like in a cute. I'm in a cute. I'm in a white jeans and a like beige, like cozy sweater. But when I moved the sweater, it was like titties to the wind. Yeah. And I wish I did remove the sweater, even though it was very cold. But I was like, He's got us. Yeah. He's got us.

Yeah. Yeah. And I had, so I hadn't eaten anything all day. And midwalk, I realized there was so much more to go when I started having a panic attack. But I didn't want him to think I was high maintenance. So I happen to have, I have A-A-Van for emergencies only. And I had, because I took the A-A-Van with me because I was already feeling woozy. And, of course, you know this from seventh grade.

I get nauseous when I'd get anxious. And so I didn't want him to think I was like, high maintenance and I don't have to, him have to take care of me. So I reached into my pocket and so smoothly, it was like, truly, you're a magician. It was like, well, like coin out of the ear, but it was out of it in my mouth. And it was, I took a bite of it and put a back, like, he didn't even notice. And then I just was calm and the walk was so amazing where I was like, if it's not going to be hairy, this person I'm walking with is so special that he gives me hope that I could be attracted to someone so calm.

kind and not alpha. Like he has this quiet confidence. He doesn't, he asks questions. He was curious. He was so handsome. Like, I just was like, oh my God, I can't believe I like this type of guy. I've never liked that type of guy before. Was it the Ativan?

Can you imagine? And now I take out of it. And then so the next day I broke up with my boyfriend because I was like, this is the, I cannot be in this relationship anymore. And I took two weeks and my mom said, your rule, I'm giving you an assignment, you cannot date. Shoes 66, S-H-O-O-Z. You cannot date for three to six months. You have to be alone.

And I said, fantastic idea. Two weeks later, I was with Harry. I had a great idea. And the night, Harry asked, do you want to hang again? I said, yes. He goes daytime or nighttime. And I said, nighttime. Oh, you made it out.

We picked up. We got pizza. I went to his Airbnb and we talked from 6 p.m. to 3 a.m. Wow. We had our first kiss. It was like just a kiss. Go home and I write my diary. I'm going to marry Harry.

Oh, my God. I knew it. The second I had that night, I just was like, this is it. This is it. And I've been very like anti-marriage, anti-commitment. And I was like, I'm done with this. I'm never getting married. I'm never having kids.

And I met Harry and it gave me. I mean, Alana can like, speak to this. I mean, he's the best, but even you know me before, I was like, I'm just going to date assholes and, like, live a fun life, I guess, and travel. But he's the most special person I've ever met in my life. I mean, he's really, there's no one like it. Oh, sweet. I don't. It's true. And so I feel really lucky. Like, I really just can't believe, again, it's like seventh grade. I'm like, he likes me back. Yeah. I just, I really thought I was going to be with, I've only been with very toxic people for a member. I get it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's that magic. And this is something I talk to a lot of young women about is they always ask the question, am I ever going to like someone good? Am I ever going to like someone that likes me back and that's available? Because I think what happens when you're young is you do kind of go after the unattainable or, you know, all that stuff. Sixer rappers. And I think you get jaded and you're like, can I even like someone good? Yeah.

You can. You can't. One thing my sister told me that I think is true is she's always said, for women, it's about the right man. For men, it's about the right time. Oh. Mike drop. Yeah, another shirt. I think we need me.

I love that. And it's true. Wow. Oh, my God. Yeah. For us, we're like, it has to be the right person. And for them, it could be the right person to be sitting in their laps. And they're like, but it's, I'm not ready.

Wow. Wow. You guys. Oh my God. I'm going to marinate on that for a bit. Later when I'm home eating my fucking Dintai Fong in bed, crying. Oh, that sounds really. It was just not the right time.

It was just about the right time. Yeah, it's not the right time. Then I think about that with my husband. I'm like, no, it was the same thing. The same thing. He was just, he was ready. Yeah. You know?

He wasn't. He wasn't. And then I made sure he got ready. Yeah. But I do think there's something to that. That's amazing. It's life lessons. I mean, I know.

She always drops this kind of shit. I'm just like, you know, in the corner with my interjections. She's like, and jokes. Beautiful. Dick jokes? Yeah. Always. I love dick jokes in particular.

I love big jokes. No, you guys have the same kind of connection as we do. Yeah. Yeah. I feel that. We do. I feel it. I like it.

You guys were supposed to meet each other. Oh, I feel that. No, I call Sasha my puzzle piece. Yeah. Yeah. She's my puzzle keys. I love it. And I wish, I mean, we say this all the time, but I wish that I had met her in seventh grade because we would have been, I think we, I think if actually, if we met each other in seventh grade, we would have been popular. I think so too. You would have taken over the world. I just needed my puzzle piece in seventh grade.

That's why I wasn't popular. Or we would have just like vented constantly to each other and felt so much better in ours. I mean, I don't know. But I will say, like, best friends can bring you up more than any guy. It's true. You know, like I've been the lowest of the low and, like, like my best friend, Olivia and Leah, they'll just be like, Leo. You are, do you have a Leah? She has a Leah. We have Leah.

We have Leah's. You have Leah. She's a Jew. Leah's a Jew. There you go. My Leah's a Jew too. But yeah, you know, and they have pumped me up so much and gotten me through like the hardest times.

And I feel like that's the most valuable thing. It's true. Also, Alana and I, I always say like you're my first, you're my last new friend. True. You are my last new friend. Because you and I both have the same friends that we've had our whole lives. And then you and you and. And it was a puzzle piece in our adult life.

It is crazy. Like, yeah, like, I've always kept it really tight with my friendship group. Like, I never really, like, I mean, but obviously, like, because I have my siblings. So it's like, they have to be with me all the time. But, like, when it came to friends, like, I still have the same friends that I have since, like, high school. Same. And then Sasha was my last. Last new friend.

And now I'm a complete puzzle. Me too. That's so sweet. Do you guys want more friends? Are you like, I'm good? I'm good I think I'm good I'm good

But you're like Hold on You're saying You want more friends I know like I'm like you guys Want to be my friend I think

I mean obviously like We're not closed off We're not closed off to people You can sit with us I was gonna say I'm like we want to sit with you We want to do a Shabbat dinner with you Yeah

For sure 100% I think it was just I think in a beautiful way It was like shocking To make a new friend Because I didn't think I could Like I was like

Okay Like these are my friends And it's like It's really hard to open yourself up to somebody new, especially later in life. Absolutely. I also get friend crushes. And so I do have new friends.

I love going to dinners with people. I don't know well. I love like getting to know people's stories. Like I love, but in terms of like new close, close, like call you when you're crying. Yeah. Meeting each other in a way that. Yeah. That's, I think.

I feel like I'm the Sasha and you're the Alana. Hell yeah. I think you're right. I think you're right. I think you're right. Yeah. And you're Virgo. Yeah.

All my friends are Virgo's other than Sasha. There you go. There you go. There I'm a magnet for Virgo. And Layla, my oldest, oldest best friend, is Libra. Yeah. October 17th. October 14th.

Oh, my God. Oh, you just had your birthday. Oh, yeah. I did. Happy birthday. Thank you. And you're about to have. I'm about to have my birthday.

30 fun. 30 fun. December 15th is my birthday. Oh. When's your birthday? August 25th. I don't. You?

May 14th. Yeah. You're one day away from one of my best friends. Really? Yeah. Sarah. Oh.

Nice. And you have Adam Brody's birthday. I don't know if you know who that is. Oh, we didn't even talked about the other day. I like that. I forgot that we have the same birthday. You have the same birthday. And we're all, December 15th.

This is the day that Walt Disney died. That's a deep, dark day. And I hope I'm right about it. this. I mean, this is, again, like, unlocking a memory, but I definitely did a report, like, a book report on Walt Disney, like, in, like, third grade or something. And I think I vividly remember, because, like, the last page was, like, Walt Disney died on December 15th. I mean, I should look it up now, but I think I remember

it was, but I remember being like, oh, bummer. Yeah. Okay. On this day. I got to create the happiest place on her died on my birthday. That's fucking cool. All right. Well, but you know what?

Adam Brody and you guys were both born on the same day. Also, just to add, you, for me, as the brunette in seventh grade, I mean, I was watching OC in seventh and eighth grade. Oh, yeah, 100% every day. You were my, my every thing. Because I was like, I'm summer and then my, like, lawn friend could be, but I was so excited because, again, isn't it funny in seventh grade, it's like hair color meant so much? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

It was every, and then, but also your personality on the show, obviously. Oh, my God. We talked about it all the time on our podcast. Do you? Do you really? Oh yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God.

We thought you knew. I'm keeping it cool this whole mother fucking time. Are you kidding? Are you for real? I thought you knew. I thought you knew. I know. I thought you knew.

Oh my God. Dude, are you kidding? The OC was my whole personality. We talked about it. We talked about it. We talked about it three episodes. And every and and also everyone that we interview always talks about the OSC because it was such a huge deal. It's so crazy.

It's like how did you identify with it? I think. I just did it to her. I was like, okay, I'm Sasha. Like, I think that's what we do. Right? If we pick one and we're like, okay, I have that one. Yeah, I'm sex in the city or friends.

We're like, well, who's who? Yeah, when my dad would show me movies, I would tap him and be like, that's me. Yeah. To whoever was on the screen. But then a new princess would come up and be like, no, no, no, wait, sorry, that's me. And then I thought that way, I would do that constantly. You always do that. Yeah.

But I felt, I was you. Yeah, we were burnets. We were summer. I mean, we obviously, like, we're fans of Misha Barton, obviously. Of course. The clavicle. But the clavicle. We talk about the clavicle all the time.

Her clavicle. Oh my gosh. She had to clarify. Beautiful. Beautiful. But it was, I mean, it was like a big deal also as a young Jewess to see a Jewish family on network television. And Chris Mica was like a huge fucking thing.

Yeah. Like I was like, it was like a huge deal seeing like, I mean, even Cohen also is like, yeah. So like the last name that is very coveted because if you're a part, I mean. Co-in. Coen. Yeah. Absolutely.

You always want to be a co-in. They're the coolest. My God. Josh Schwartz, who created, is going to be thrilled to hear all of this. Oh, my God. Are you kidding me? We are...

Wait, have you not seen? Wait, I need to show you a photo of this thing. I mean, this has been... I went on... I forget, I went on a late night. Oh, I was on Seth Myers and I showed this photo. Because it's literally like, it was the biggest deal. Oh, God, let me see if I can find it.

It was literally the biggest deal of my life. We talk about the OC every day. I'm glad this came up. I don't think you knew who she was. No. Are you kidding? No, I absolutely didn't. Okay.

I'm about to blow your fucking mind. I'm about to blow your mind. So it was my 13th birthday. This was me and my 13th birthday. All I wanted was one thing. And the thing is me and my family were not really big gift givers. Like we like, it's just like not a thing. Words of affirmation of language.

Yeah. We're not gift. Our love, our family love language is not gift giving. But my parents knew that I wanted one thing. And I'm notoriously like I never got the cool thing on birthdays. Like it was never like we were getting like the it thing. But I wanted one thing and one thing only. Oh my God.

And I sat down at my table and there was a package on my plate. And what was it? It was the box set of the O.C. No. Let me see. And I was so excited. Oh my God. Can we share that picture?

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That's me in seventh grade. That was 13th. Amazing. My braces? That is? Look at Rob's smiling.

Rob's smiling. It takes a lot for Robb's smiles. It was. Yeah. Oh my God. But the funniest thing about this photo is when you actually do in. So I went to an orthodontist in the valley that was terrible.

I'm sorry. I'm not going to say anything, but he's terrible. But basically, and I don't, but to be fair, I was also a terrible patient because I never wore my rubber bands because my rubs were fucking terrible. I mean, I doubled mine. You don't. Oh, because you were like, I want to get this over. We get it.

Oh, no. It's incredible. I let's see. I had to get me. She's like, I'm the Olivia. I'm here. We're the same. But I hated wearing my rubber band.

So, like, I had to get braces for four years. And, like, that's why my teeth are like this. I never wore my retainer because I, like, my teeth got back to again. Same. Same. Yeah. I mean, guys. This is really happening.

Guys. And because, like, like, two years in or something, my orthodontas made me, like, pull a tooth or something. And I got, like, a space. Something. happened where I had to get like this thing like space my teeth and so all my teeth moved. And if you can tell in this, my teeth are, so there's my cupids bow. That's the center of my teeth. Like literally let me see. You can tell. Oh yeah. My teeth became completely off center. Completely off center. Completely off center. And I wondered why no dudes wanted to make out with me because literally my teeth like my

one of these was like in the middle of my fucking cupid's bow. Can I tell you something really interesting? is that I was watching licorice pizza. I'm always afraid I'm going to say it backwards. Liquorice pizza. And I was looking at your teeth. And you know what it made me feel like? I wish I wouldn't have fixed my tooth.

Because I had to get braces and I had a gap. And I was looking at you thinking, I love her teeth. And it really made me have that moment. Oh, my God. I should have just kept me as me. I am so insecure about my teeth. It was so bad.

I have little. barrel bottom teeth. You do? I have his ass. That's so crazy, you guys. No, I, so I have a snaggle tooth. That's what I'm not. But because when I was, when I got my, when I got my big girl teeth, I was in ballet class and I was at the bar and I was doing jumps and I hit my tooth on the bar.

And we went to the dentist and I guess instead of actually fixing the problem, he just shaved one tooth. Right. one tooth. So I have a fucking snaggle tooth. I love it. No, I like your teeth. I'm not legitimately thinking that was one of the parts of you that I loved. I, well, I now, I love my teeth now. Okay. Good. Good. Good. Good. Just because they're not perfect. But, like, in the sense of, like, I don't think I could ever change them because I just love them so much. But it is, it's so funny. It's a whole fucking thing. But the thing is, like, also having to go through braces for four years and then not with my fucking retainer and then my teeth look like this, like having. like having like I went through such a terrible like off-centered tooth but anyways.

Oh, the braises. You know, I didn't get braces until right before high school. How mean is that? Oh, no. Shut the fuck up. How fucked up is that? Because they were always like, no, you're fine, you're fine. And then right before I was like, no, actually you have all, we were going to put them on

you. And it made my lips really big. Really big. Like the seniors were like, DSLs. And there's like a fracking lips. Yeah. Oh yeah. A freshman fully braced up rubber band.

How long did you have to wear them for? Well, like a year and a half. Okay. Or maybe a year. But it was still. But in high school? In high school years, that's like a million years. It was the worst thing that had ever happened to me.

It was my seventh grade. You were so cute with them though. No. With the brown, like, lip liner. I know the brown lip liner. What was you did brown? Did you have like a color? Mine was blue, obviously.

Yeah, blue. I don't know. I thought that the blue brought out my eyes. I didn't get mine until 19. I had to get a job and pay for them myself. You had, didn't you have like invisible braces or something? Did you do invisible line? No.

No, they did like, oh, you did like, oh, they were clear. The clear one. The Tom Cruise one? Didn't he do the clear one? Did he do the clear? I think he did do the clear ones. I feel like he did do the clear one. Maybe he didn't.

Yeah. No. I don't know. I think about invisible. I mean, my will fair else. So we'll see. I don't know. Oh,

good luck. Oh, yeah. I'm just not over this. I'm going to just circle back to that. I can't believe that you didn't think that we knew. That's a show. I didn't think you would know me or the ocean. Why?

It is my whole. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? It was the only, it's still to the day, the only show that I grew up with that I watched every and we talked about it. Again, people make fun of us because we say we talked about it on our podcast. Channel 11. But we, Channel 11 Fox. We do the same thing. At 8 o'clock. You guys, it's the 20 year anniversary coming up. Oh my God. Can we be a part of the anniversary?

Yeah. I can. I can do a whole podcast on just. I can not tell you how important it was. No, absolutely. And the thing that's so crazy about it that I forget is that like the seasons were so long. So long. You guys have like, which they don't do that anymore. It was like 27, It was 20. Love Island. Love Island. But that must have been so, I mean, it must have been so, that's so crissed. Where did you shoot it? In Manhattan Beach. Amazing. That makes sense. I wish if I could blues kiddoe into any fucking show,

it would be. Would it really? Oh, yeah. In Ryan's pool house. Who would you have liked? Who would you have liked? Adam Brody. Adam Brody. He was Jewish. Same birthday. I know, same birthday. Seth Cohen was my so in love. With Seth Cohen because he was Jewish And it was like every dude that like All the dudes in my school like dress like Seth Cohen Yeah, like the curly Jewfro was like my dream My first boyfriend was of Seth Cohen

And he was incredible I started dating him Because I was like he reminds me of Seth Cohen Yeah, Seth Cohen on the mat And you got him And you got him They did get him guys This is such a specific thing This is how fucking crazy I am about the show

Now I'm like really letting my freak fly fly but in the kitchen of the Coens was a sharper image bagel slicer. Oh yeah. That literally, that was like luxury to me. Wait, it was called. Oh, my God. It's that thing that you push down and there's like a guillotine blade. It's like a guillotine.

Yeah. It's like a guillotine. And I was like, when I have my own apartment, when I move out of my, the first thing I'm getting is a bagel slicer like the coens. Oh, my God. Because if they always had a basket, it was like my dream. A basket of bagels with the smear and the fucking bagel slicer. And I was like, that's how I'm going to live my life.

I have not achieved that greatest. I'm getting you a bagel guillotine. For your birthday on December 15th, you're getting a bagel. I'm getting a bagel guillotine. Rob, can you write about it in our notes? That's how obsessed I was with the show. No, it was my everything. Oh my everything.

That's amazing. We both wanted to dress like you. We wanted to beat exactly like you. It was a whole fucking thing. You guys, I really like, I mean. I'm feeling you're embarrassed because I was like, oh, I never think that. That's so amazing. And the fashion is, and some of it's coming back.

It's the same as it is now. Yeah. It's the same that it is now. Yep. Yep. It's so weird. I know. And Rob always tells me that he liked Anna and Marissa.

It's fine. Oh, you were an Anna gal. I was a Midwestern. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. But did she dress up like Wonder Woman? No. No. She eventually did. She made a comic. Did she? Whatever. It's not that big of a deal. She was crafty. I'm so obsessed with both of you. I can't even handle it. It's amazing. Oh, my God. I like Anna. I like Anna. But she's no summer. She's no summer. She's no summer. She's no summer. You guys, seriously. I'm in love with you. Not even kidding. No. It's just so cool, you know, and just to see like, and what you guys are doing is so awesome.

your podcast, your fucking movie, especially like the valetness of it. Oh yeah. Did you shoot a baronis? We did not shoot at Barone's. Okay. This is so weird.

This is so weird that you say this because I actually looked at Baroneys to throw a party of Baronez because I fucking love Baroneys. Live for it. I fucking live for Baroneys. We all need, can we all go to Barone? Yes. Yeah, I love Barronies. No, I've been to Brominoad.

You've never had Barone's down. I mean, the rectangle. It's the shit. No, we basically. We shot at funny enough at a place where I used to go to Bomb Mitzvah's was weird for me but no, Tale of the Cock was like at this

Oh yeah. Is that? It used to be real. Tale of the Cock used to be real. Wasn't it on, um... I feel like I'm picturing it. I know Paul is going to listen to this and be like, you don't remember where Taylor of Cock was. I had to like memorize where it was originally, but...

Like on Burbank? It was... What? Las Siena. No. No. No, it's not in Surround anymore. It was a valley thing.

It was in the valley. But like back in the day, Tale of the Cuck. Yeah, I thought it was on like Burbank or something. Ventura. It was probably on Ventura. That makes more sense. Okay.

Maybe. I don't remember. I wasn't there. But where we shot it for Lickrish Pizza was we like took over this like banquet hall that was like on this golf course. But it was like a place that was like fully shut down. Like no one had been in there for like years. And then Hall's amazing team like went in there and like rehab. and like rehabbed it.

And I think it's like, I hope there was like maybe talks about it. Like maybe like opening as like a real place. But it is, it was incredible. It was amazing. I was like, and also it was so fun because I moved back to the Valley while we were filming. And it was just so nice to like, it was like my home. It was like, but like in a fucking sick time with like way better clothes.

So. I got to relive like my early 20s like as if I was in the 70s, which is amazing. So, I mean, yeah. Amazing. That was so fun. It was such a love letter to the. the valley. So, so good.

She's a star. Oh, my gosh. And you have a... Oh, I say, hi, Lonnie. I said, music. And they're so. I'm always there. I also opened for Alana.

Or I opened for Hiam this year. Yeah, on our tour. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So it's really... On the one more high I'm told. Again, I'm always there. Do you guys ever make music together?

We actually never have, which is so weird. So weird. I think because we're both like, maybe we're scared to do it. I don't know. We could do it. I think if we ever did it, we would just be like, let's just drink and... Yeah. I'm like, wow.

I know. I know. I'm just kidding. Well, you did one time play with me. I played a show and you played... Oh, I was so nervous. Oh, you were so good. Because I wanted to do a good job for you.

But you did so... She learned it in like a second. I was like so, I was like so concentrated. They were so good. I was like playing piano for such. It was so fun. Yeah, we just... That's so sweet.

We just had fun. But it was fun. Like, we just went on tour together and it was so nice to like have a friend after, you know, we were, like, we did the first half of the U.S. tour together, and it was so nice to, like, play a show. And then afterwards, we, like, got into our jammies and they had a kettle puddle. It was so fun. You guys should take the podcast on the road. We're going to. Today. Today. We'll go for you guys. Wait, acting music podcast. What's been the most fun? I'm like, oh, I mean, now it's been the podcast because it gives us an excuse to, like,

hang out and talk about the one thing that we love talking about that we would have talking about. Now there's just a microphone involves. But no, they're all fun. I mean, it's been, this year has been really fucking crazy. Like, I feel like not doing anything for two years. And then this year was like kind of like the first year that things were starting up again. Was licorice pizza came out. And you went on this huge tour. And we released the podcast. It all happened this year. It's been like a very crazy year. But it's been so fun. I mean, it's just so nice to, you know, be creative. Now I'm like, don't have anything to do other than the podcast, which is nice. That's fun. And my birthday. And my birthday. And your birthday.

that's me. I'm getting my guillotine. I'm going to be waiting at my door. You're like, where the fuck is my bagel? Yeah. It's coming. I'm not leaving my house.

What's your favorite bagel? Oh. Oh, like place? Like a place or just bagel in general. How about anything? In total. This is my order. It's my, it's an onion bagel toasted.

I'm a toasted gel. Yeah. Same. Me too. Plain cream cheese, locks, capers, onions,

tomatoes. Sometimes if I'm feeling sassy, I'll put some cucumber on it. But that's only if I'm feeling sassy. And where do you like, like to get it from? I mean, growing up it was arts. Yeah.

Which is a shout-out to arts, but like, it's hard. The thing is, like, I just came back from New York like three or four days ago. Forget about it. Literally, forget about it. Forget about it. I am Callie through and through, but the one thing that we don't have is the right bagel. The bagels, I will say, though, I will say, actually, I take that back. Have you been to courage bagels?

I was going to say, have you been to courage? You guys, we are obsessed with courage bagels. The line. I want it right now. I mean, it's because it's so good. They're so fucking good. Rob has a hookup. What?

Yeah, I know the owners. You know the owners? You guys, they did a broad idea of bagel for us when we launched. It was fucking delicious. Are you serious? I am serious. I know. That's like the big.

That is better than anything I've ever heard. Oh, yeah. A courage bagel hookup is like, Upper echelon. It's the key to the city. You sent in your order in the time. No, no, no, no.

Don't you dare say those dirty words. Yeah. Those are dirty words. I'm obsessed with courage bagels. It's so good. It makes my knees cut. I want it right now. I want it right now.

They're closed Tuesday, Wednesday. Damn it. Why? Close Tuesday once. That's all I want. Those are such specific days for them to be. Those are the two days that I need a bagel. That is the day.

That's my favorite bagel. That's my favorite bagel in Illinois. Do you want a day? Do you want a day? You know. You get a courage bagel. Do you want to do? Are you Jewish?

How are you Jewish? Oh, God. It can't take me anywhere. That is crazy. No, Courage bagels is, that's like the one. Moris is good, too. But, like, coming from New York, I was like, but I will say courage is like, it's an experience.

It's just next level. What's your order? My order is to know these things. I know. I do, too. I do a, I mean, egg bagel is my true favorite, but it's very. which is insane. Egg bagel toasted, scooped out, but only on one side. Hanks in the Valley

has a scooped. Have you been to Hanks in the Valley? I follow it. Okay. Okay. I do one side scooped. I do lox, onions, lemon. Lemon. Lemon. And that's it. And cream cheese. Cream cheese. Yeah. But plain cream cheese. Okay. What's yours? I dabble in a lot of I like to hear it. I like to switch it up. I don't, I mean, courage, obviously, I do that everything. Is it double toasted? Is it double toasted? It's the bird. It's burnt. Sorry, it's burnt everything. That's why I'm like, I work here now. Yeah, I'm working. I live here now. Yeah, no, I don't know. I'm all over the place. I couldn't just say one. I also love like, you know, when you can have like a jalapeno cheese bagel or like an everything cheese bagel toasted. I always get everything though. Yeah, everything's delicious. Plain sesame, cream cheese, tomato, tomato, tomato, cucumber and lemon. You guys, I think we're all hungry. We're all hungry. And we're all Jewish. And

yeah. You are. You are. You are. You are. Art's deli when I was like growing up the Motsabal soup. Oh yeah. I found out that you would have, I would say, always say, um, Motsieball on the side. On the side. Because then you get more soup. You get more suits that way. You get more suits. That is true. And like my whole like, I thought it was so hot like being in middle school and like you would get the The lollipop. Yeah. Absolutely. Hold on.

It just remember something that I read that you guys performed at Canters Deli. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We're talking about Jewish delis. We're talking about canners. I know. I need to know how you feel about Blinces. Oh, I love Blinces.

I've always been Blinces. Shout out to my grandma's restaurant, The Milky Way on Pico and Dohenyme makes the bait. Baste. Baste. Use the base. The best. The best blences ever. Oh, my God.

The Milky Way. I fucking love a Blanky way. I fucking love a Blitz. She died, but... Oh, Grandma. Oh, she died. She was the best, but she, her restaurant lives on. That's amazing.

The Milky Way. Oh, we need to go there. So good. Okay. Yeah, but can't... No, I mean, that's fucking epic. No, I know. My first...

I was in a family band with my parents and my siblings called Rockenheim. And our first show is at the Kibbitt's room. During the week, let me tell you. My parents were like, we got a gig during the week. No one was there. We got paid. I mean, like, everyone loves... We got paid in Mats small soup.

we did. I fucking love that. We did. See, that was like... And it's like been, I mean, and luckily, I mean, talk about a hookup. I actually became friends. Shout out to Alex Cantor. I became friends with Alex Cantor.

That's huge. Later in life. And he, he's the greatest. And like, honestly, like, anytime we shoot at Canter's, like, music video-wise, and our record cover was also shot at Canter's, like, literally talking about the best fucking deli ever. Oh, my God. But they let us just go in there and do it.

That's amazing. That is so funny. Which is so nice because they're the greatest. I mean, they are the greatest, my favorite deli in L.A. But every time it was so funny, like when we were shooting the Summer Girl music video, we did it full DIY. We didn't tell anybody we were doing it. We were just with Paul running around with the camera. And literally he was like, where do you think we can shoot?

And I was like, I think we can shoot at Canters. And I literally called Alex and I was like, hey, I'm with Paul. Can we come in for an hour and just shoot something at Canters. And he was like, yeah, do whatever you want. It's the key to the city. That is. You have courage. Courage and you have canners.

Right. And when we can find it's, we have the whole, now we just need someone at arts. We need someone in arts. We love. I'm sure you're, yeah. Yeah, you got. I mean, I can't. I mean, this is like making my life.

We spent like a decade at canners. Oh yeah. Every night. Oh yeah, because it's 24 hours. We have a friend who got their sandwich on the menu. Josh Schwartz. Oh. Josh Schwartz has a candy.

Not Josh, his friend. Oh, his friend. But he loves to tell the story how Matt Miller got his sandwich. It's called the Matt Special on the menu. Do we know what it is. Oh, he will tell you, like, when he pitches it, he's like, you got holla, you got monster, you got turkey, you got coleslaw. You grill it or something. I don't know.

I can't do it. But it's delicious. I've never had a meal named after me. I don't even know what my meal would be. It would probably be a bagel. Oh my God. Jessica. My sister had a sushi roll named after her at Hamasak.

What was that played? Hamasaki. Yeah. I think she had the Jessica roll. What was in the Jesse roll? Yeah. Everything great. I don't even remember.

It was just like she had a role named after her. and I was like 13 and struggling with pre-algebra. He was like, I have a sushi roll. Yeah, I've never had anything named after me. But Harry, my husband, Harry, at Odeon and Cafe Clooney. And, yes, but the Cafe Clooney, Odeon and Cafe Lexenberg, his mom, that's his family's restaurants. His mom owns them. And he has an item called Harry's Hot Fetch Sunday, which is now Harry's Super Super Bowl.

Sunday. And when I started dating Harry, I told my mom and dad, I'm dating the Harry. Harry's hot fudge Sunday because they would go to Cafe Luxembourg all the time. And that's so I married Harry's Hot Fudge Sunday. And doesn't that sound like Charlotte? That sounds like a Charlotte life. Oh, Harry. Yeah. Well, she did. I know. Harry is a hot fudge Sunday. Oh, like 100%. You guys, I want a hot fudge. I mean, we're also hungry. We're also hungry. I had to move from the town. I was just living in in Granite Bay outside of Northern California

and I was like, babe, we have to move. There's no Jewish dally's there's no Motsamaw soup. I can't do it. Can't live. Can't live? Like, how are we supposed to be sick? I know. Like, what are we supposed to do? My mom's still to this day every time I'm sick makes me Motsubal soup. Yes. She makes this.

It's Jewish kind of still in. It is. I know my mom. At any point of the day, my mom still wants to take care of me. She has always tried. It's the Swedish. just like I had I mean my parents are again so like this is I told you that I'm obsessed with my parents oh but this is this is what comes up just to fucking brace I'm gonna send you guys this photo because you guys honestly need this is yeah no we're literally like we're so it gets better like me and my mom with my OC and I still have that OC box that let it be known that it's still it's still around

I don't know I just got the fucking new iPhone and it like doesn't illuminate anymore I know I it's my it's yeah I'm with you on that I'll find it's But my parents are my screensaver. Are my screensaver on my phone. I'm sure I can. Oh, here they are. These are my parents on their wedding day. My mom was in her very 80s.

I love it so much. That is so amazing. Very 80s. And my dad, it's really funny. My dad also had a chip tooth on the same tooth. No. We both got chipped teeth. I know I am my father's daughter.

Isn't that sweet? Let me see it zoomed in like that. And I have my mom's cheekies. Oh my God. They're so cute. I like exactly my mom. It's fucking crazy. I love it. But yeah, not I'm obsessed with my parents. It's crazy. It's cute. It is so cute. You guys are so fucking rad.

I mean, so, I'm like, you know. I'm excited for the podcast. I know. It launched. We really launched. We go there. Let me tell you with our embarrassing ass stories. I love that. You guys should come on our podcast. I know. Let's do this again. Please. We will. We've got stories.

I want to hear about spin the bottles. I want to hear about seven minutes in heaven. I want to hear about pre-calling. Oh, yeah. Oh, we talk about. What about when the guy... Oh, no, you're fine. When the guy.

I remember in seventh grade, this was a thing. And you guys are going to not think this is cool because it wasn't. But they would take ice cubes and stick it up the girls' yonis. What? Yeah. Ice cube up the vagina. I remember when they, like, eat a mentos and give the guy head. Yeah, I remember.

Yeah. But the ice cube up the vagina. What is it too? It just makes it feel really cold and makes the girl like, you know. How do they get it up there with their thumb? Oh. Oh, like they would do it? You had an ice cube put up your vagina? See, I didn't because I didn't want it.

And I had an older brother that was really scary. So I was like, don't fuck with Olivia. Like I was always safe. But the other guys would like go up and they'd be like, oh, I'm going to go stick an ice cube up. That is so. crazy. I mean that's... And they would just go right up to them, hold their pants, take an ice cube, and stick it up inside of them. That sounds very, um, violating. Don't judge me. I didn't do it. That was a thing at Milliken Jr. High, lady. It was? Oh my God. Did not make it to what. I mean,

that's fucking nuts. So old ice cube, bust the vagina. Of course, my brain. I'm like, oh, because it tightens it? Like, you know, like, what homeopathic thing does that? What is that? I'm going to try that later. I'm going to try it. Tighten it up. No, I had never heard that, Olivia. I had never heard of that, but that's okay.

Have you heard of the yoni eggs that people use now to tighten it? Yeah. And put it up there and warm it and then do their kegles? Yonis. Eggs? Yeah. I've never done that before, but I've heard of it. You guys, there's so many things that we all need to get each other for our birthday.

Yeah, we have to like keep. We're going to do a birthday and some of the china eggs. Not the kind that come out. Yeah. The kind that go in. Oh my God. See, we are not afraid. I love it.

I love it. Anytime. You have obsessed. I'm obsessed. Yeah, absolutely. You guys are so fucking awesome. And thanks for coming on. We're so excited for free periods.

Thank you. And I love that it's free period. Because at first I was like, oh, they're just like open and flowing with it, like a free period. It's a double off. Yeah. So is ours. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We have a lot to talk about. We have a lot to talk about. Oh, we didn't think about our game. Oh, fuck. What's the game? Oh, you did? Okay.

We like to end each podcast with a little game of fuck Mary kill. Oh, I love that. Let's do it. Love. Ready. Okay. I didn't get around about this game. You know, I grew up thinking, I grew up with fuck Chuck or Mary.

So Chuck means to like chuck them to dump them. Oh, wait, that's nice. We've been doing Mary Barry one night stand. That's a, that's the gentler. That's the thing. Wait, but what, fuck Chuck. Fuck Chuck and Mary. Fuck Chuck Mary.

Fuck Chuck Mary. That works too. No, I mean, it's great. We have Daniel Radcliffe. We have Jason Schwartzman and we have David Schwimmer. Okay. This is the mind of Rob. Oh, okay, no, fine, fine, fine.

Okay, let's do it. I can do it. I got that. I had Pete Doherty in there too. Oh, wait, who is? Oh, you did? Pete Dockty. Oh, Pete.

Wait, who were the first three that you mentioned? What was it? Daniel Radcliffe. Jason Schwartzman and David Schwimmer. Okay, I have it. it. Okay. What are yours?

Chuck David Schwimmer. Yeah. Fuck Daniel Radcliffe and Mary Jason Schwartzman. Shut the fuck up, bitch. That is literally what I was going to say. Of course it was. Literally, Jason Schwartzman.

For sure. Love Jason Schwartzman. And also love Robert Schwartzman. Yeah. He's so nice. To bring it full circle, Jason Swartman used to be in Phantom Planet. Yes. And also, another fucking crazy full circle that you guys should talk about the

Galleria. Phantom Planet. First of all, Phantom Planet just had their 20th anniversary at the guest. They did. Phantom Planet was like

one of my favorite fucking bands on the planet. I got to open up for them once at the Tribador and it was like the greatest fucking day of my life. So cool.

But there is a song called Galleria that Phantom Planet created but it was on like, it's like on like a, you can find it on YouTube but it like never got released and it was my favorite

fucking song because it was about the Valley. Oh my God. And it was about how the gallery had closed down after the 94 earthquake. It sure did. Why did it close? Now it's like because the 94 earthquake happened and then everything, it like kind of got fucked up.

Because it was like crazy. Because like the epicenter was right there. I mean my parents, I wasn't, I was three or four when that happened. Yeah, it was fucking. I was in seventh grade. There you go, the 94 earthquake. I was in ninth grade. Yeah.

Full circle again. There you go. I was on acid while you were a three-year-old girl. I was in your crib. But I, the epicenter was like in Northridge. Yeah, Northridge. So like Encino was right there and it got fucked up and like a lot of the stores closed. And that's when it closed because there used to be a movie.

Like you got to movie theater before and there was all these shops. Absolutely. It was an amazing mall. And then it closed. And then the new gallery kind of opened in one in sixth grade for me. That's when the new gallery opened. But that's where everyone would make out. I know.

And like there was a, I mean, Essie and my eldest sister worked at the cheesecake fact. which did she up to my cool points because she would get me and my friends free bread french fries and

coax. The brown bread. So I love and she was the hostess at the gallery so like my parents would also because my parents were very strict

would let me go to the gallery because they knew that S.E was there eyes on. Even though but yeah. Oh my God. But listen to the gallery.

It's always like a wind tunnel though, isn't it? It is a wind tunnel. What is that? Why is it a wind tunnel? Because the architect because the architect they're like really fucked up.

I mean, I don't know what the fuck happened. But it is a wind tunnel. It gets swooped away in there. Like, have you ever been blown away by the wind? I don't understand it. I don't think the fud ruckers is there anymore. I don't think it is either.

It used to be PF Chinks, Fuddrackers, the Starbucks and Chesa Vectary. I feel like nothing stays there because nobody goes there now. The place where the tower records used to be was like, that was like my sanctuary was my tower records. That's a cool one. It was that. Yeah. Because you could go.

I mean, my parents never gave me enough money to buy albums, but like me and my siblings would go and you could, this is. the technology that fucking blew my mind. You could scan the album and put headphones on. You can listen to the whole album for free. They had like listening stations and you could scan. I was like, look technology is crazy.

Nothing is going to get any better than this technology of scanning an album. But that's what we would go there for hours because that's how we could. Listen. And then we realized that LimeWire and Napster were a thing and then we legally downloaded it and then we were fine. And then it was fine.

I don't recommend it now. And then we ruin the music industry. But yeah, that's where we go. And nothing can stay in that place because it's massive. I died when the Tower Records got taken down. What is in that place now? It's free. It's open now. I just drove by the-

My therapist is right next to the gallery. So I've passed by it all the time. But there was nothing there. It's for release. There's nothing there anymore. Was it weird homes? It was like urban home. Urban home.

Urban home. It was. And then I don't know what happened afterwards. Now it's nothing. I only remember is Tower Records. then it turned in an urban home and then it became something else and now it's nothing nothing okay but the cheesecake factory is still there so it's the only thing alive and well right maybe a burke william is the pf change still there i think it must be i don't know i don't know i never go that way that's like out of the way

it's out of the way it's down it's on it's through the wind tunnel it's through the wind tunnel you don't go through the winter i always parked by the movie theaters because i'm like i don't want to walk through that tunnel no no you guys serious valley sorry you can get me started and you're trying to wrap up. Casa. I know. Open up the can of worms. Oh yeah. Casa Vegas is, I think Casa Vega is literally a portal into like some other world because it looks so

small on the outside and then you walk in it literally is the biggest restaurant all time. I still don't understand the aerodynamics of Casa. Like on the outside, it literally looks like it's the size of this room. It does. It looks like it's literally the tiniest little baby restaurant. Then you walk in there's like 15 rooms. You get like lost in there.

We must be going underground. I don't know. But I've always, every time I walk in there, I'm like, oh, we are, I'm in Narnia. Like this is like, you walk through the doors of South of Vega because I went to Dixie Canaan Elementary. So did I. She didn't. We thank you. Oh my God.

Do you remember that song? Wait, did you, did you ever do drama at Dixie Cannon? No. Oh, because drama soon. I wish I would have. Drama Sue. Yeah, do drama soon. She's still there.

Who was your teacher? Sixth grade. Well, I was there when it only went to fifth grade. Okay. So they stopped six. grade, but I had Miss Winner. Did you ever remember Miss Winner? I only went there for 6th grade. Oh, you only went there for 6th grade. Miss Brown

and she was amazing. Oh, amazing. Did you sing that song? No. We had character counts. You're like, hold on. Back to the song. No, the song we had, the thing is about, we had character counts, which was character counts, character counts. It's what you have inside. Character counts, character counts.

I forget the rest. I think it's, the end was, because it's how you're treating others, knowing right from wrong and good character can help you along. See? No, because at the end, we changed it. It was like, Dixie Canyon, we thank you for all those golden years, something, something. And it's like, so goodbye, Dixie Canyon and hello, junior, hi. But we would say, and hello, finer, guys. Oh my God. We were ready for it. That is so crazy that we went to the same school. But then high school we went to Grant, I went to Laxas. Unfortunately. You have good parents.

You have good parents. I was supposed to go to Grant, though. That's like, the next, that would have been the next step. I went to Notre Dame. Oh, you went to Notre Dame? I did. I did. I got kicked out of a Notre Dame football game. As one should.

And I wasn't even doing anything. I was like a goodie two shoes and my friend was like causing ruckus at that. We were in the Notre Dame section and none of us went to Notre Dame and he was rooting for the other team. And we got kicked out. Which for good reason. I would have been like, fuck you if I went to Notre Dame. I'm like, who is this like child with braces? Yeah.

Or like the other team. And I was like so embarrassed. and I had never got kicked out of anything. And it was like, I was so sad. And then I never went back. Can't believe you went to Dixie Canyon and Milliken. I know. There's good times, Valley.

You guys, you're welcome. All day every day. I know. I know. Country Martian. Yeah. We love that. Which I do love.

Ready chick. Ready chick. Yeah. The chicken place. Right? Mm-hmm. Right. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Like crazy in the 90s. Yeah. I didn't do Brentwood.

country mart in the 90s. No, no. I went it later in the... But you're like, but no. I know. I grew up a little for it. You know. You have to grow. Yeah. You know, you have to grow into it. Yeah. Pally. I love it. We love it. We love you. We love you too. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I was just rethinking about some of my dating excursions in my life. Your first dates? First date. No, was this, maybe it was a first date. I don't know. Or just early on in a relationship.

Early on. It was definitely not more than a second date. It could have actually, you know what? Could have been a second date. Could have been a second date. And he just sucked my tongue, sucked on my tongue. Were you kissing at the time or he just came out of that? No, I was eating popcorn.

No, he just sucked on my tongue for 20, felt like 20 minutes straight. How many minutes do you think it really was? I was like, what do I do here? It was. It was minutes? It was definitely minutes. I was just, like, confused. And I'm like, well, I guess this is happening.

Didn't he also go down on you over your pajamas? Oh, it was the same guy. So, like, do we call this weird, or do you feel like it's semi-normal? I'm not going to kink shame, but... Ah, kink shame. No shame in the kink. But both of those would make me uncomfortable. Or

Rob if a girl Had gone down on you over your pants Or your pajama pants Natalie Only Natalie Or started sucking on my tongue For minutes It was weird

Yeah It was definitely weird He gave your tongue a blowjob It's memorable but not in a good way Do adults give hickeys Or is that just like a teenager Do teenagers still do it Like I don't even know if it's a thing

It happens like accidentally But like, how do you accidentally give someone a hickie? Yeah, I feel like it's hard to actually leave a mark with a hickie. Like a bite mark or a bruise, I feel like is more possible. What? I have a good hickie story. What? Let's do it.

I remember when I was hooking up with someone and it was a complicated relationship. I didn't want to hook up with him because he had a girlfriend at the time. So I was like, no, no, no. How old were you in this? 21. maybe like a child, right? But he had a girlfriend at the time and he was trying to hook up with me

and I was like, I will never hook up with you. I will never hook up with you. Won't ever hook up with you. What's that? We made up that song. Oh, is that? After this happened. I think it was about a couple guys.

And we, oh yeah, I'll never hook up with you. I won't never hook up with you. We did. I think someone, you know what it was? And then get back to your story, was when I had a massive, crush on the guy I was dating's best friend. Yes. And like he kind of like gave me a bit of a green light because I was like, oh, he's into it. So I was like presumed, you know, I was very presumptuous.

And I like at a club, I was like, so like, are you okay with this? Like, are you comfortable? And he looked at me and was like, you know, I will never hook up with you. Oh yeah. That's what it is. And then we're saying, I'll never hook up with you. Well, and then we wound up dating like a few months later. Yeah. Okay. Okay, your story. Yeah. So. He said to me, whatever, whatever. And I said, stop trying to hook up with me or I'm going to put a hickie on you. And he said, go ahead. Go fucking ahead.

And so I was like, really? Hickeed up his neck like a leopard. Where? Like just out in public? You just did it? Or was this in the privacy of a home? This was in a home? But I did not hook up with him.

You just gave him hickeys. You just sucked on his neck. Yeah. Just to spite him for trying to hook up with me, you know? Yeah. So then I was like, what are you going to do? What are you going to tell your girlfriend? And this motherfucker takes off his shirt and he's got bruises all over his body.

And he looks at me dead on the eye and goes, the fuck are you talking about? I went paintballing today. And demonstrated how he was going to say it to her. And it went completely with the paintballing. Motherfucker. Yeah, I can't remember the last time I either got or gave. It had to have been, like, junior high. It was Wednesday.

But I think it was junior high. Yeah, not me. No, I mean, no. Do you still give hickies? No. Do you get them? No. Bruises.

Leah does. Leah gets hickies? I don't know. I just picture Leah all bruised. I mean, you definitely can get bruises from hooking up. But like in a fun way, not in like a scary, like, wrong way. Do you give hickies? I mean, Natalie's gotten one before you.

But like, recently? Yeah. She's accidentally giving me one too. But like, what are you sucking? They're so long to create a hickie. Maybe we both just are susceptible to. Like, maybe we both just love sucking on each other. Maybe you're just more susceptible.

I'm very bad. idea. You bruise easy? No, not really. Well, that does not support your theory. She does. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. People are weird. People are weird.

I don't think that's that weird. But if you think of it for a second, like, just the fact that you and Natalie just suck on each other. Like, it's a little weird. It is weird to even, like, think about a penis and a vagina. Yeah, it's super weird. It's super weird. If there were two insects that had the same anatomy and they were just,

injecting some piece of them. I'm sure there are. I know. I'm just saying if you thought of us like an insect. Yeah. It's weird. It is super weird. And we're all like, I mean, most of us are pretty selective of who we do that with. You know what I mean? Some of us. Some of us. Others not so much. But like we're like, I don't want to do that. I'll do that with him or her. Like, what? Yeah, like, let's unwrap that for a second. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just so weird what we do. And why does someone's looks matter? You know what? Right. Right? Like, have you ever slept with someone? Wait, have you ever slept in your past? Did you ever sleep with someone like physically? You were like absolutely like not, but you connected emotionally or

internally and you were like, I want to have sex with this person. No. Ever? Really? Like physically not attracted to them? Well, just or maybe, okay. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. you meet them and you're like definitely not physically attracted but then did it grow and you become attracted became that's never happened to me rob no you you know we know the we know the out oh yeah yeah it was definitely someone where i was like i don't think i'm attracted to this person but then i was yeah i mean there was definitely people that like like i don't typically think are as attractive as others, but they were because of what other other elements, you know? So you're basically saying you only slept with guys that were really appealing to the eye.

No, appealing to me. She was in to everyone she slept with. Like, have you ever had sex with someone you didn't want to? Yeah, of course. Oh. Wait, you have. Someone, I never really, no, what I will explain is I never really like want to have sex with someone unless I. I feel an emotional or like a connection to them.

Like if I just sleep with someone, just be like, do the physical act. I'm never super into it. You know what I mean? I'm like, okay, I'll just, I'll do this. But for me to actually, like, really want to sleep with someone, I need, like, some kind of emotional connection. I hear this a lot from women. Do you? Yeah.

And I don't know if I feel the same way. When you say you will go. I just mean, like, I'm not as like. Even in relationships, a lot of women are like, I need that emotional. connection to feel sexually attracted. And I'm like, I don't. I don't necessarily think I need an emotional connection to feel attracted to someone. It's just to really get like into it and really want to do it. I like when there's more to it than just the physical act of it. Right. So in those scenarios, are you not enjoying it at all either? You're just going through the motions of it

unless you're emotionally. I mean, for me, Jeff's looked at because I'm very open with him about people I've slept with. And he's like, interesting. Like, he'll see them and be like, that's interesting. And I'm like, yeah, and he was. Or, you know, whatever it is, whether they're funny or intelligent or talented or whatever the other extra thing is that makes them attractive to me. But I've never been like, I am not attracted to you and I'm going to see where this goes.

I think guys can be super attractive when their personality is, like, attractive. and they're not considered conventionally handsome. Correct. For sure. Like, make me laugh. Do you have any regrets of people you slept with? I do. I'm talking to Rob.

I know. Probably. Probably. You're going to elaborate on that? No. Do you, Olivia? Of course. Yeah.

I mean you? Yes. Yeah. Do you have any that you don't regret? It's the bigger question, right? I like to say I don't believe in regrets, but there's definitely some on there that, like, don't need to be there.

Yeah, I don't have regrets either. Oh, yeah, I do. I have one. Well, I can't say it. We'll leave that. We'll let that lie. What were you guys like in seventh grade? Oh, man.

What were your relationships like in seventh grade? You were already, you've lost your virginity by seventh grade? No. No. That's young. Eighth grade, right? Eighth grade. I think I had my first kiss in seventh grade.

Opposite answer. You had your first kiss? 7th grade. Yeah, I was like super into boys in 7th grade. I think I had like eight or nine girlfriends in seventh grade, but it was the like week or two long ones. Yeah. That was just like trading cards. Yeah

I had one My eyes set on one person And I know you talked about it And you didn't get him No Oliver No not Jeff Oliver Yeah

She talked about it That was my seventh grade From the guy From the OC that Marissa Oh Jesus I'm gonna try my hardest To turn this into an OC podcast I feel like maybe we could get

Some more numbers Even though I was in seventh grade Yeah And I had to crush on him. It lasted from sixth grade to 10th grade. That's a long time. Tunnel fucking vision, right? Yeah. I still feel guilty when I say that like Jeff would listen and that would bother him. Aw, because you love your sandwich. Yeah, I don't like saying it. I know. But you were like in seventh grade. Yeah, no, I got it. How like weirdly obsessive did you get about it? I was psychotic. Can we talk about

in what ways? I used to, well, I hated all my friends because they would hook up with them. I would defriend them. I would not be their friends. On Facebook? We didn't have Facebook then, Rob. I know, it was a joke. I would carve his name into my hand.

I mean, we were really close friends. Like, we were friends, you know. You never hooked up with them. I kissed him once. And it was like the highlight of my entire life. I get it. Because everything is that, yeah. Everything is that.

polarized in like junior height or whatever, you know? Yeah. Like a guy, I'm finally heightened. He's heightened. Is polarized not the right word? No. I mean, not really. Okay.

But I hated all guys that weren't him. It made me sick. Like I, in seventh grade and on, I had this weird aversion. Like, if a guy liked me, it made me sick. Did you have that? I had a few of those younger than seventh. Yeah. In eighth grade.

But then seventh, eighth grade was like when everything came online. And you enjoyed it? And it was just like, oh, her, her. Oh, wow. I remember this was sixth grade, but still same era. My first, like, boyfriend in elementary school, my mom and my best friend at the time's mom took a bunch of kids to the movie theaters. And, like, he was my first boyfriend and, like, I was excited.

Sixth grade? Yeah. And we were sitting, oh, my God, I'm about to, like, really kind of work out some shit, I think. Okay, we're here for it. I was 11, right? in sixth grade and we were sitting in the movie theater and he was next to me and i think it was my first panic attack i was like i got to get the fuck out of here i was like mom we need to leave i don't feel good i got to go i got like i had to leave the movie theater and my mom they both and deborah still loved

deborah loved her to death she had to take all the rest of the kids home my mom was like oh my god rachel we can't do this to deborra you know i was like mom i have to fucking leave and my mom like left. I had to leave the theater. I could not stay there. Your date's name was Deborah? No. His name is Sean, my first elementary school boyfriend. Oh, but I had to get out of there. Like, it was, I guess it was my first panic attack.

Did you give him a ride home or was? No, Deborah did. Deborah, okay. Why were you freaking out? I don't know. I do, maybe this is like the thing where I get like anxiety and I'm like, oh, God. I don't know if I like him. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like, uh, uh. I don't know, you know. Oh, see, that gives me a panic attack. Right?

That's why I hate it if a guy ever liked me. It would make me feel that way. I'd be like, no. Like other friends enjoy it. They're like, oh, he likes me, no big deal. I'm like feeling it right now. Like, I have anxiety in my stomach like I want to throw up. Someone likes you.

How do you deal with people liking you that you don't reciprocate the feeling? I think I'm a little cutthroat. Oh, in what say? in what say you in what say you what say you? What do you mean? I think I'm a little cutthroat

I don't think I think I'm just like shut it down verbally and like have no filter on it and that's a protective probably I think it's when I really I'm just like okay

what? How do you shut it down verbally? You say I don't like you? Like that was amazing and I'm like night shut up. Shut up. I'm serious, though.

No, I mean when someone likes you that you don't like, that you will not kiss on the mouth, you are not interested, don't like them, but they like you. How does that make you feel? Oh, it's like you friends own it very clearly. But it doesn't bother your insides. I don't think it doesn't offend you, like it offends me. No, it definitely doesn't offend me, you weirdo. I used to go change in the bathroom. I remember crying. If a guy liked you? I remember like.

Why, though? What? Why? I don't like it. Even like now, not now because you're married, but like even when you were single, if a guy liked you, you were like, I need to go change.

Changing your clothes just made you like impure in the Lord's eyes and then you changed your clothes. I remember in elementary school, I would wear like ugly clothes on purpose to try and stop this kid from liking me and I'd be like, oh, this will get him to stop liking me. But this is because you were in love with this other guy. No, no, this is pre the other guy.

This is before the other guy. So why, though? What is that? I don't know. I've unpacked it a little bit. Yeah. And thought like, I don't know. I thought it felt like weakness to me or something.

Or like I don't like the feeling of someone wanting something from me that I don't want to give them. I feel like offended. Like, no. Not for you. I don't know why. Like you shut it down before it's even potentially. I don't find it flattering. I'm not like, oh, that's so sweet.

I'm like, no. So it sounds like you have, do you have specific trauma? I don't have any trauma. No, not whatsoever. The only thing that I've come to is that, I don't know. As I got older, I think I didn't have that high of an opinion of myself. So if a guy really liked me, I was like, well, he doesn't know. Yeah.

Groucho marks him. What's that mean? I would refuse to join any club that would have me as ever. Yes, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how I felt. Because you felt really down on yourself. Yeah.

And you were so cute and so beautiful. And him, like, he lowered his status. Yeah. Wow. Mm-hmm. That's some tough shit right there. So only liked the one that didn't like me. I feel like I had a bit of that.

So you only likes the one that didn't like you? You did? Yeah. I mean, that was why I had nine girlfriends. Oh. Nine girlfriends in seventh grade. Because I think it was like part of the chase. And then once...

Right. Once they liked me back. I was like, oh, there must be something wrong. Yeah. Something wrong with them then. That's it, Rob. That's how I felt always. Like there had to be something wrong with them if they liked me.

And I think Rachel's like, I knew. I got it. I don't like, everyone liked me. No. But I think like once you got older and you worked on yourself and then you came into a place where you like, you know, you got sober and you loved yourself. And then you were like, oh, of course they like me. You know? Well, you just got married.

I liked, yeah, but I didn't. The only reason I got married is because I got to know myself and got to like myself. That's my ultimate what saying is that's why you got there. Do you think that Jeff specifically was your person for that or just happened to be the next person that you dated when you were ready? Oh, interesting. And able to accept that. No, I think that Jeff was the person for that because I did date other people when I was sober. Right.

You know, but Jeff definitely, Jeff is the only person in the history of my life that I've experienced that with. Mm. That's why he's your husband. Yeah. Well, Jeff. Like, it does not gross me out that he worships me.

At all. Like, not a cringe in my body. But anyone else, it would cringe me. Yeah. In seventh grade, I also was going through, like heavy brown lip liner. Oh yeah. And really thin plucked eyebrows.

Oh, yeah. Well, you went from sixth grade having your first boyfriend. Well, I think my first boyfriend was like younger than that. But like my first boyfriend were like we kissed. In sixth grade. Virginity was eight.

No. In sixth grade was my first French kiss. So we'll call it. Even though we called it scamming. Like we said. Behind the library with Eduardo. Oh. My first kiss was his name.

as well. I thought you were going to say, what was this? Or behind the library. I didn't know where you were going with that. Yeah, that was my first, like, really, like, scamming session, as we would say. But anyway, yeah. And then it progressed very quickly to eighth grade when you lost your opportunity. Well, you know, he was older.

Don't say it. Like, that sounds like you were like, let me make this better. He was older. Like, no, that's worse. Yeah. No. I mean, like, I had known him, like, my whole life practically, and he was, like, a little older, so it progressed.

And, Greg, was my uncle. You're really not helping you guys. That's what I heard, too. I've known him since I was a baby. It's terrible. Okay, sorry. It's kidding. No one else is freezing?

It's very windy and breezy in here right now. I got to get a blanket. I feel good. I feel good. Rob's fucking temperature control. It's out of control. Anyway, no, he was a fellow, not child. Like, he was, yeah.

Anyway. He was a fellow child actor. And his name was. Edward. Okay. Anyway. Well, that was... Seventh grade was fun, though.

It was fun. I loved going to junior high. You could, like, finally wear makeup, and I remember that was a big deal. Yeah. For me. For me. At the time. And you had, like, different classes, and it was, like, you know, moving up in the world.

The first time you were... Kind of adulty. Kind of adulty. It was the first time I stole a car. Seventh grade. Is that real? Yes. Is that real?

Robb always looks at me like, what in the hell? I know. It's so crazy. Like, to know what she was like then and to know her now is a... Just like you paint a really awful picture of yourself on the podcast. I was like, it's called the truth. Yeah. I know.

Oh, you know what we talked about? What? We talked about, here's a question, Rob, being a man. Do you think that when someone first starts dating that they should preface where they're at in the beginning? Or do you think you should organically see what happens? What do you think? I think if I were dating now, there would be some prefacing. I mean.

But how do you know? I just mean where I'm at now I wouldn't have done that at 21 Right But at 33 If Natalie died tragically in a car accident Who's her best friend that's moving in? Then I

Yeah there would obviously have to be Some expectations Like you got to be good with kids Yeah like I had two fucking kids Yeah yeah but you would preface that before like anything happened No no no no Kind of weird? Are you good at children on first date? It's probably something they would learn on my first on a date, though.

What about you, Rachel? What? Would I preface something? Yeah. I don't know. I go back and forth with this because I think a lot of learning someone and just experiencing it is just that. Like, you experience it. And I don't know if it like takes you out of the present if you're like putting all these like things on it or parameters or expectations or whatever. But I do think there's a reality to it. Like if you're someone like me who has a kid and all these, there are other elements, so it's not like just you going out there. And like your life is like free and open.

I feel like you have a very romantic notion of how you want it to be. You mean people in general. You specifically. Like you look at it in a much more romantic way than the actual reality of it, potentially. No, I look at the reality too. But I am a romantic at heart. Like I fucking love. A rom-com

You like living a rom-com You know what it is? I love everything that has a love story No matter if it's a book, it's a movie Like I love love love Cool But you know Do you like things that would love in it

Or do you not fair? Oh, I love it Oh, I love love love I love love You love being in love I'm romantic No That's the lyric

Oh I love love love I love being in love I'm like no I don't love being in love. No, I don't know. Love is like a weird thing. Love is a many splendor thing. Love is a manny. Lips us up where we belong. I mean, there's so many ways to go with love. But it always goes really dark. Oh, I feel like I'm going to puke from the tacos we ate. I think I need to start carrying

chocolate on my person. Oh my God. Okay. Here's a question. What do you got? if someone on a first date was like, before you went on the date was like, write a list of your top 10 ultimate songs.

I think they were a douche. Would you think that's kind of cool? I would have liked Rob to answer first? Oh, sorry, because I knew your answer. Ask the question again. Well, no, because now he's going to know that we think it's lame, so he's going to name towards the lame.

I wouldn't ask someone ahead of a date to give them homework. Well, yeah. No. To make a playlist of your favorite songs to share? So you think it's lame. I've made a playlist before. Well, once you're dating someone.

But you wouldn't be like, hey. Hey. No, I mean, that's also, like, making a playlist is a good way to get to know someone. Oh, no. I think sharing music is awesome. Like, when you really like someone, you know you really like someone because you share songs. I'm a firm believer in that. Share anything.

But if someone asked me. to make like write down I would be like no it depends on also how it's presented if it's like all right before we go to dinner I would like you to send me a Spotify playlist with your 10 favorite songs I can't remember though if I like brought it with me

or if it was something before it's just contrived my reaction would be oh how many other girls have you asked to do this like it's a thing it's a move it's a move it's like a quiz you're asking on the take before it's a move

and then let me judge you for what you put No, it's a move. It's like, oh, this is like suave. Actually, this guy who I'm talking about us was a long time ago. So this happened to you? Yeah. And first date, I asked you to come with a list prepared. I feel like that's what it was.

That is what it was. But the night I met this guy, he was like, what's your favorite movie? Like, that's what he asked me. But I feel like these are all moves. Because when you're first meeting someone, you're genuinely, or maybe that's just small talk. It's lame. Maybe it's both. It could be both.

Yeah. But it's also lame. But I mean, it depends. on how genuine of a conversation you have afterwards. You could have a very serious, long conversation with the right person about a movie. You can. I love movies. I'd rather them ask a question that they don't ask every time based on the moment. Fair.

Like, be in the moment, don't be premeditated. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't want you asking me questions that you've asked other people. But you know what's really funny? Never. Not even what time is it.

I'm sure you've asked someone else that's... What time do you want? Where do you want to eat dinner tonight? This is not the first time you've asked someone where they want to eat, is it? Do you know what I mean? I do know what you mean. So I went back because I was thinking about it, and I went back to look because I did make this playlist. And I looked at the title of it, and you know what it's called? For Reels, but R-E-A-L-Z.

That seems like something you would put. That's my playlist title. For Reels. And that was to impress a guy. No, it's just what I titled my top 10. Okay, so what songs were on? Actually, I could pull it up. See, now you want to know.

It's like, and I don't know if this was like the final final, but I think it was. Let's see. Some were questionable, for sure. Were they to like, here, I'm just going to do snippets. It's a Celo green cover of. I know. I heard Cilo like, come on and I'm like, that's on here. But no one's going to love you. Band of Horses.

It's the band of horses one that I love. and maybe I just put the wrong one. Fleet foxes? Maybe Rob would know this one. This one's called Beauty by the Shivers. It's not super... Well, don't tell us. Oh, you're trying to guess?

Well, I like Nuss game. Now, well, it's the Shivers, right? But do you know the song? I've heard that song. I can hear from for me. It's this Britney. Who is this? Rob? Oh, he's young.

Van Morrison. Crazy love. Stevie Wonder. Oh, I'm not supposed to tell you. But these ones, I feel like Rob won't know. You don't have a playlist like this? I have my wedding playlist. But that's kind of like your playlist, you know? Yeah, but it's also vibe.

Right. It's also vibe. I'm going to see if you can get any of mine. Okay. None. I only have a list because I made the walk-up music for our... armchair shows. Oh, yeah. This is not my final, you guys. I totally lied to you. All right, let's hear some of yours. So I just put all my favorite songs on it.

You did? It's when people are, like, being seated for our live shows. Oh. I guess Rachel's still gone. Sorry. I do love that song. Me too, so much. That song kills me. This is not my final. All right. See if you can get any of these.

It's the beginning to Jurassic Park. There's no way we're going to get any of these. None. You know this. I do. Maybe. I never know the names of songs or musicians. Oh, Bob Dylan. No, that's definitely not Bob Dylan.

It's the Walkman. Oh, yeah, I'm not going to guess any of these. I like this song. I like it. I don't know it. Dr. Don? You will know this. Say I won't? You will.

I mean, I know the... Arctic monkeys. Okay. I'm looking at my songs. I'm like... Yeah, you're up next. I'm like Yacht Rock. What the fuck is Yacht Rock?

Yacht Rock. What is yacht rock? It's like this. It's like... It's like... It's like Michael McDonald's... Right here, holler notes. Come on.

Yacht rock. Oh, yeah. It's my wedding song. I love it. I definitely have one that speaks to you, Lou, on here, too. What was your... This was your first dance? No, what she walked down in the aisle, too?

No, I know. She walked down to the best song. Play a little snippet. Well, this is what I walked out the door to. Yeah. Is it what you walked down the aisle to? Yeah, isn't that cool? Do you know what?

What? What? What? What? What? So fresh and so clean by... This was our. Let's hear yours.

What Natalie walked down the aisle to? What is it? It's pretty. It's Andrew Bird. Oh, pretty. This is me when I walked out the door. Because I got high. I thought it was going to come in really fast, but it's not.

Because it's funny, like the first word. I love this song. I love it. I think we have to stop. We have to stop. We could just go on for hours with this. This is our new podcast. We just play 15 seconds of song.

That nobody could tell what the song is. And everyone is just like, what the fuck is going on? But anyways, a playlist. I do think a song speaks a thousand words. We'll share Rachel and Rob's playlist with you. We should, and yours. We should. Share our playlists if people care.

All right. Well, guys, it was fun traveling back to seventh grade. Thanks a lot on Sasha. Yep. Fucking love them. Go listen to their podcast, free period, and listen to them on ours. And maybe you on theirs. And maybe us when we're on theirs.

At some point. At some point. All of us are going. All of us are going. All three of us. All three of us. Bye.