Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Aly & AJ on Feeling and Healing Through Music

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

Rachel and Olivia sit down with pop sister duo Aly & AJ to talk breakup stories, the story behind their new album and celeb crushes.Check out their new album Silver Deliverer out now!Watch the video of this episode on YouTube here!Like the show? Rate Broad Ideas 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyAdvertise on Broad Ideas via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It is. Allie and AJ are here. That's exciting. That is very exciting. Olivia called me this morning singing their song. Potential breakup. They're great. And they have a new album out too.

Silver Deliverers. That's right. Check it out. And let's check them out. Roll tape. What I want to say is this. we can start with this, is anytime we meet locals or other people that grew up here, feel more, oh, this is going to sound super fucked up.

But like, authentic and genuine, like you wouldn't expect, let's put it this way, you wouldn't expect people that actually grew up and were raised in L.A. to come off with like a genuine, authentic vibe. But I feel like I find that more in people that are actually from here. That's really interesting. I totally get that. Do you? Yeah, yeah.

Do you? No. What? I'm just kidding. Yes, I do. Of course I do. Of course I do. No, because it's not that like vibe of, oh, this is also new.

Right? You're new to Earth. You're new to this planet. I think that there's a, like, a preconceived notion of what an L.A. person is. And then people overdo it. Yeah. Or something. Yeah.

And it's like, but if you're actually a local, you're like, that's not really how we are, you know? Right. That's true. Right. Right. But the characteratures, the cliches, like what I've realized lately, they're all true. They're just usually specific to people that came to L.A. later in search of something. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. Well, keep in mind, too, a lot of people that aren't from L.A. that come out to L.A. are seeking the business. Sure. And it also can make people a little funky because there's desperation or there's, you know. Of like, I have to make it.

It's a different attitude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything hinges on this. Totally makes sense. Yeah. Well, it's a compliment to you guys because you are very cool. Thanks. Yeah.

Thank you, L.A. That's really sweet. No, you guys are... We love L.A. We really do. We do, yeah. But I can see it somewhere. Why did you leave?

I know, I know. I feel betrayed. I mean, I still feel like I'm still in L.A. quite a lot. Yeah, yeah. I was even, like, talking about this to my husband. I was like, we have come into L.A. over the past 10 days, like, three different times.

Right. Right. which is a lot, you know, with a kid. In the last, yeah, literally 10 days. I was just like, ooh. But the drive is not that intense. Like, when you get used to it. I mean, you've done it obviously being from where you are.

Like, it's only like an hour and a half. It's really not. If you time it right. If you time it right. Like from AJ's house to mine, it's an hour and a half in no traffic. Maybe even like... It takes that long to get across L.A. sometimes. Totally.

Yeah. And I may be even like late at night when there's really no traffic and you're going like late, I could probably get to my house like an hour 20. That's amazing. done the train. Wow, she's shaved off that 10 minutes. There's a train. Yeah, there's a train. There's a train. There is a train. It's really cute. I haven't done the train, but my husband's done it. It goes from Burbank? And from downtown. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really charming. I love it. I'm trying to get my friends to come up and do it and, like, bring their kids.

That's a hard pass. It's a fun thing to do. Especially when you have a kid to put them on a train. What kid doesn't like to be on a train? Especially a little boy who's like, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Girls too. Girls too. Yeah. We just did a train in Japan, my daughter and I. Oh, that's so fun. What? Yeah, I know. We're in Japan. Going from Tokyo to Kyoto. The bullet train?

Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. Yes, it was so cool. That's right. That's a very special. So this morning, I was listening to potential breakup song. Oh, my God. It brought back so many memories.

She called me singing it. Yeah. Wait, really? Yeah. No. Do you guys have to put it on when it came out? Like, it brought back? No, is it hitting?

Really? That was a vibe. Oh, that's sweet. That was like on our playlist. Oh, that's sweet. And it sparked a whole. conversation with my husband because he was like, what are you doing? Because I don't normally like blast music while I'm getting ready. But I wanted to like, you know, bring it back and be like,

all right, let's go, girls. That's really sweet. And it got a whole conversation going because you can, obviously you know the song. Never heard it. Never heard it. But it's like, all I wanted was my stuff back, my stupid stuff. And we started talking about that. And he was like, I have stuff. I've still, And I was like, that. But he's never gotten from next. Never gotten back. Wow. Wow.

You have stuff you've never gotten back. Listen. It is some fucked up shit. Honestly, my boyfriend. Honestly, my boyfriend. Yeah. Same thing. His designer label size.

No. I mean, like a ton of things. Wait, say that again? My boyfriend, his last relationship, I think there's many things she still has that were his. Wow. Like a TV. Like really nice things.

Because I feel like it's always like the girl's stuff that's like. Yeah, totally. No, it totally goes both ways. It does go both ways. You're right. You're right. I guess maybe guys don't care as much about getting this stuff like. Or they act like they don't care. But the girl is actually like vocalizing how she's like, I really would like that vintage, you know. I know Josh didn't. Sweat shirt back. Yeah. Oh. Do you just maybe think about it? I don't know. I'm going to have to ask him. Exes items. I have to ask. But I remember like, like, like leaving a really good sweatshirt that I just ended up never getting back. That I was like, damn. It's painful. sweatshirt. Yeah, I can hurt. Painful. They stick with you. I just want my stuff back.

I'm thinking about that coat. I just want my stuff back. And you know what? I think he dated someone the same size as me. That then wore the jacket. She probably has my jacket. Probably does. She's wearing it right now. Just saying, she's wearing it right now. I'm going to see pictures and they'll be like, that's my fucking jacket. Yeah, yeah, totally. Give my shirt back. That's funny.

I remember one time I made like a real to do out of getting my stuff back because there was this one sweater. I cared. I think it was like my dad's sweater. Like there was a sentimental thing to us. Yeah. And I was like, I know you don't. Like, this isn't, I need that sweater. It's from your dad and he wouldn't, yeah.

Did you finally get it? To make it more. Yeah, more drama. My dad is no longer alive. So it's not that he wanted to keep the sweater. Yeah. I don't know if he was, I don't know. It was maybe the punishment of knowing what it meant to you.

Oh. I don't know. I like how dark he got. That's really. That's worse. Way worse. Here's the thing, though, guys. It wasn't just one person with this sweater.

What do you mean? It happened multiple times in multiple situations. You keep leaving that sweater with multiple guys? How many times did you get the sweater around? How many times? What? It's a really good. It's like the sisterhood and the traveling paint.

I need to see a photo of the sweater when we're done with this. It's a blue. And now it's currently at an ex's. It is. You'll never have it. You got it. I have it. You've secured the sweater.

It's a dark blue vintage Christian Dior. I knew it was that sweater. They all liked it. They all wanted to wear it. They wanted to wear it themselves. You knew it. I was like it's the fucking. Navy Dior sweater. Wow. How many men? By the way, that's true friendship when you know someone's

closet. Two. Like I know AJ's closet backwards and forwards. I'm sure. She knows mine too, but I maybe know hers even like how many. How many men had it? How many men had it? How many men had it? How many men wore it is a better question. Oh, whoa. They all just love it. They love the Dior. Who does it? But you've got it back. Yeah, it's mine. Good. You know what else? I just remembered that. I left somewhere. A Lake Husse fucking Dutch oven. What?

Wait, really? Yes. Oh, yes. Now you're getting niche. Now it's not closed. It's like kitchen items. That's a really nice. Like Hussein?

I mean, guys. Yeah, no, no. That is messed up. That is. And the Dutch oven is a beautiful piece. I mean, come on. God. I think we should do, you guys,

I think we should do a TikTok revolution where we use that song and everybody who wants their stuff back puts the list and items to the song. That's a great idea. And I want my stuff back video. I want my stuff back.

I want my stuff back. I want my stuff back. I saw a meme on Instagram recently where mom was like, I don't know. Maybe her son broke up with a girl and he's like, oh, but I really want to get my hooded sweatshirter back. She's like, this is your first lesson, son. You will never see that again.

Oh my. That's funny. There's like, there's no chance. There's no chance you're getting that back. Okay, so this is a thing. This is what I'm saying. It's a movie. Wow.

We just thought of. many things that like how it's happened yeah like or you know partners have left their stuff or whatever yeah yeah yeah yeah well when the song came out alley and i launched a website i mean this was in like 2007 we tried to launch a site which i don't know if it really ever fully took off but it was potential breakup.com so it was all about like fans that could like entering their story talk about their breakup stories yeah yeah it was like it was like that was when like forums i think were so a thing yeah oh yeah do you guys have any crazy breakup stories yourself We know you do.

I mean, I guess... Look at your face. Do you feel like you have drama? I'm smiling or like almost laughing because I don't feel like I have it. Because you feel like it's Joe Jonas. Oh, I did. That wasn't like young. That wasn't dramatic.

That wasn't dramatic. That was like we were so young. It was traumatic in the sense that it was like we were both really upset by it because you were also so young that you're just impacted differently. So young. It's so different when you're young. It's so different. like it's the end of the world. That stuff hits really hard.

Totally. Yeah. When you're breaking up and you're like in your late 20s or mid-20s, it's not the same as when you're breaking up and you're like 17. Right. Exactly. It's the end of the world. I think the funniest like breakup story we have is like me like with Ali while she's

breaking up with a guy. Yeah. Like I really was having a hard time like going through with it. Yeah. And she was like with me while I was on the phone with him like holding my hand like you can do this. Oh my God. I've done it twice now.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's helped me with too. Wow. Yeah.

That's pretty sweet. That's what sisters are in terms of drama, I don't know. I mean, the guy that you dated before you met your husband. I met my husband. That wasn't a great breakup. That wasn't a great breakup. But like, I met my husband, you know? Yeah.

So then it was meant to me, you know. Well, has anyone ever had a great breakup? I was just going to say. Yeah, that's true too. Like that one was great. No, you're right. No. They all suck.

Like they were both like, yeah, high five. I mean, unless it's literally both genuinely like, you're an awesome person, but this is not for us. But that doesn't usually happen. Right. You know, it's usually one person is like, I want to leave. And the other one's like, wait, no, stay or maybe we can work this out. It's not like mutually agreed upon like.

I've had some long distance. Long distance or two long distance breakups that end very well. Amical. Still really sad, but ended in like a obviously this isn't going to work. I'm not moving there. You're not moving here. This doesn't make sense. Age is still very good friends with one X.

Like, really? Yeah, we're like, we recently did dinner, me, him and my boyfriend. I have that too with my husband. You do have that. Oh yeah. I don't think I've ever seen that. Yeah, and he's a sweetheart and he's like a huge part of my life. I'm like,

I'm the godmom of his nephew. I love it. Known him for years. And my boyfriend, the other one, when he came out to visit, we all went to dinner. And my boyfriend was like, wow, I'd really be friends with him if he lived here. Which is usually the case. Yeah, right. Because there's a type and it's like, thank you.

I have good taste and I'm with you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was very sweet. It was the same vibe. Yeah. I just thought of a time that an ex-boy

friend instead of keeping my stuff while I was out of town went and put everything back in my closet as kind of like a fuck you wow oh so your stuff was it his and he just put all the back delivery yeah yeah like was mad I just brought it all back put it all hung up in the closet that's a lot for a guy to do ooh that is that's like a lot of energy a time would do exactly sounds very maybe he's a little bit you're like maybe the problem yeah exactly there lies the problem yeah wasn't wasn't the right fit. That's funny. No, I know. That's rude. I know. It is rude. Also, helpful.

Also, I got my stuff back. Well, you got yourself back. Did he put it all back in its proper place? Did he put it back in a way that made sense or was it all like that smashed? Wow. He probably better than you. Thank you. Thank you. He organized it better than I would. That's really sweet, actually. He was like, he was your personal closet organizer.

Yes. What about the accidental leave or the pretend accidental leave of your stuff? Oh, so you have to go back for it. So that you can go back. Oh, that's interesting. That exists. That's real. That does exist.

Or men do do that. Yeah. They do that for sure. I don't think I've ever done that. That is a good. Has it happened to you though? Has someone like you were like not into left something to come back? No.

No. Never. No. And you've never left anything like on purpose? I was like, I need to go and grab that. No. Okay. I don't think I was thinking that far ahead, sadly.

Yeah. The same person that returned my clothes. I'm dying. The same person? The same person. Definitely. Definitely left stuff. On purpose.

Still in my garage. Really? Yeah. To this day? To this day. When was the breakout? I don't even know what year it is. What are we?

25. Probably like four years. Okay. Okay. We need to donate those things. Oh. Yeah. You know?

Would they be worth anything? No. No. Don't sell them. Don't know. I don't think they're sellable. You're like that just, it's just a drop off and. It's a good well situation.

Goodwill. Yeah. What's the company that comes? Like junk. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, 1,800 junk? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Thank you. You guys, this is very helpful. We'll help you organize. We'll help you. We can get this organized easily. We're having a session. This is what you're here for today.

Also, a new album. Oh, that too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes, there is a new record. Yeah. We're very excited about it.

Thanks. And we want to hear just like the process and everything or anything you want to share. Yeah. I mean, we've now, I guess what? It's 2025. So we started writing the record. Two years ago. Yeah.

It was basically two years. years ago. And at the point when we started writing it, I was not pregnant yet. It was like that summer. And then I got pregnant like a few months later. And she found out she was pregnant the night. We played the Greek. And it was a sold out show. Before you went on stage? That morning. Literally that morning. Like, like, Trudy, I found out that morning. And I didn't tell AJ because I was like, this is too crazy of news. And like, we're already. Well, we were so like stimulated by the day. And then she was like, I don't want it. I was like, I have to just wait. And I'll tell her this and like, 24 hours, you know what I mean?

Yeah. But at that point when we played the show, we had started writing the record, but we were not at all into the production of it yet. And then, yeah, we started the production with

Jonathan Wilson, who lives out into Panga Canyon and has made some really amazing records, not only himself as an artist, but the artist that he's worked with are just like people that we really look up to and we love their records. And so we started kind of like, you know, prepping out the songs and who was going to play on it and everything. And at this point, I was quite far long in my pregnancy. I was like kind of pretty much ready to pop.

Like it was like I had like a month window. Yeah, we had a very specific. We had a lot of time to write it. And then we had a very specific window to record it because of his schedule and ours. But mainly his because he was producing so many records at the time. And so he's like, I have. have this one window and Ali's like, okay, that's my like, you know, third trimester and like I'm due in April, but the baby might come in May so it could work out. So we made the record in April.

Of course, he decided to come early. So Ali's water broke two days into the record. What? In my guest room. Yeah. What? She was living with me because we were closer to the studio. Yeah. And oh my God. We were like, wait, we're on day two. And Allie was in denial, complete denial. She was like, no, no, no, I think I can go to the studio. I was like, I don't think so. You're going to be an active labor probably soon. I mean, I don't know anything about this stuff, but I've heard a lot. You're just guessing. You're like, probably going to eat in. That's usually a thing when the water break. That's the thing, right? Yeah. It's also funny because like, like, that doesn't even happen in the majority of births. Mine didn't. I don't know anyone who's at, who is actually happening. I think it's more common that your water doesn't break. Right. But you literally were like, oh. Yeah, I was like, I just thought like, oh, I'm, I'm like, I'm like peeing, basically. Right. Yeah. I just got up and, you know, it was like early morning. Allie's like, maybe this is what happens in the third trimis. I'm like, maybe I just. I just. I just. I just. I just. I just. I'm like, I just. I'm like, I'm like, I'm He starts off. Yeah. Yeah. I basically, yeah, I told my husband like, this is really weird. Maybe I just have kind of, I have no sense of control over peeing. And he was like, he was like, I'm pretty sure that this is like, you're water breaking. And then we like, you know, texted my dula. We texted my midwife. And then we're just like, you should go back to sleep. But yeah, this is, you're probably like, you're, it's happening, you know. And then it was like, I was trying to get back to Santa Barbara because that was where my birth team was. We had my birth kit with me. because I was planning on doing a home birth. So I brought everything out to be at AJ's or Topanga.

She was ready to have the home birth at mine or our record producer's studio. I mean, if it was really, you want? Because the kit was with her and yeah. He had a yurt. We were like, technically, I guess I could just get birth in there. Pretty cool. Let's go. In a year.

But, yeah. But Ali was like, I might as well, if I haven't hit like active labor yet, we have time to go to Santa Barbara. I might as well set up there. So Ali just stayed out there. You had Jack two days later. Yeah. Wow. I went to Topanga and set up shop.

with the band and we all just did our thing for a week. And then Allie with baby boy came back out to the studio a week after he was born to record vocals. It was really, though. And we all lived together in a house and Topanga together. You guys. Yeah. It was really sweet. The process was my hippie dream. It was very hippie. It was so cool. I wish that like, we obviously have documented it because my husband is our creative director and so he's always like photographing and, you know, shooting the band and kind of all these cool moments. But like no one was filming all of us. He's like behind the camera, but I'm like, man, I wish we had had like a team. A team of people, even just just witnessing how beautiful it was to have this, like, amazing group of humans around us. It was

like between our producer and her boyfriend and, you know, our dad came out and visited and met his grandson, you know, like in Topanga. It was like he was, you know, eight days old. It was just crazy. It was very crazy. So we all got to live together in this house with a newborn while we made the album. And then friends, like, would come in and visit and, like, you know, stop by and you would, like, have a bunch of, like, cozy stews and stuff made. And we'd go down to the, like, farmers market and have all this fresh produce. It was really honestly, like, I feel.

I can't imagine it in another, yeah, in any other way. It was just. Envious. I mean, sonically, it's my favorite record we've ever made for sure. But then if I just look at, like, the story of it being made, I'm like, this was the coolest experience. Yeah, almost like the record could actually be like, shit, and you'd be like, it was great. And we'd be like great experience, turned out garbage, great experience. Yeah.

Which like sometimes it's funny. Sometimes art can be that way. It's almost like, you know, you get it. Like you go to a set, you do a show or a movie or whatever. And the project doesn't turn out great, but you're like, that was such a fun filming experience. Yeah, that's so true. You know? I'm like, no, I don't know what that's like.

You're like, no. I never have any fun. But, but yeah, it was very, it was very unique. Yeah. And it's cool that, you know, that we will kind of forever have this. memory that's tied to him and that's tied to the record and this kind of shift in our sisterhood, you know? Right.

Too is a big one. And a newborn baby being surrounded by like music. Yeah, we too. Just like, wow. With his little headphones on. I mean, it was really. It's actually impressive for a lot of reasons, too, because I know even when I had my baby, the anxiety of having a newborn, like you really don't know how you're going to react to it.

Totally. You might think, oh, I'll be so cool. And yeah, we can all be in a yurt with the baby. And then you're like, get humans away. That's so true. They have germs. Everyone is different. You're right.

You also might be the person that's like a hypochondriac. And then you have the baby and you're like, I'm good. You know? So it's like you don't have any, there is no sense of really completely knowing it until you're in it. And I was very, I mean, I am kind of chill as a person. So I was thinking that I would be, but I am very like, everything's chill. Like, baby can kind of be passed around. Like, it's all good.

Yeah. You were pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't really had any, like, in the sense that, like, you just, you weren't. Yeah, no. Like, Jonathan was kind of like, I even feel like when we brought him to the studio

that first day, which I think was like, eighth day he's alive. And Jonathan was like, oh, I, like, and I was like, Jonathan, hold him. And he's like, no, no, no, it's okay. And I was like, no, no, no, no. I was like, really. And then he was like, he had just gotten back

from this hike and DePanga and he was just sweaty. I was like, it's fine. We were like, it's all right. And he was just, you know, chilling. And it was like this perfect, beautiful spring morning. It's great. I need to be more like you. I mean, honestly, it's an inspiration for me, for sure.

Yeah. For the future. I was like, wow, that's so, I do. Yeah. Yeah. I really knew I wanted kids when I met her son. That's when it was like, yeah. You're like, okay, way, I want this too now.

Just because not because it's like my sister has it. It's like a, it's, because everyone asks too, like, do you just want things your sister has? Because when you're the younger one. Right. And you grow up together. Yeah. It can become that. But this was very much like a, I don't know, it's like just a reawakening of like, oh, this is so right.

Like I love being an aunt. This feels so natural. Like, I want to be a mom for sure. And he really like, I don't know, taught that to me. He's like obsessed with AJ. It's funny because we're really cool. Obviously he knows me and my husband because we're spending the absolute most time with him. But like outside of the two of us, AJ's is the next.

Isn't that weird? They know. They know. They totally. Completely. On, on like on my phone even, like just if I FaceTime AJ, he like lights up. He's like mine. He knows.

That's mine. That's really cute. Yeah. And my, my parents, like, he knows my parents' faces, too, but like, or our parents' faces. But, um, but it's not like the same. Like, my, my dad would be like, you know, my mom is like, he knows me. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, but not like A.J. Yeah. You know. I'm like, it's not a competition. It's not a competition. But I win. Doesn't it feel like, yeah, it's such a win? When any kid, like, likes you best. Yeah. Oh, it feels so good. And you're like the favorite. And you're like the favorite. And you're like the best feeling in the world. Yeah. Obviously, you guys know each other's kids super well. Really. Really well. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like, they're like, I'm like, I'm like. Yeah. I'm like. Yeah. I'm like, it's like, cousins. Yeah. Really God mom? Well, to one of them, it's kind of a point of contention with us that I'm only God mom. The other one and not both?

Yeah. I'm not God mom to either. Any. Who? None. No kid? Oh, you've never been to God Mom? Briar doesn't have a God Mom.

Now she does. Oh, you're saying you're not. Yeah. Yeah. She's mad that she doesn't have two. I never named. It's not like I named someone. It's my husband's sister.

who's... I don't care. I don't care. She has a mom with us. Okay, so I, it's not like, there's no right or wrong, but I kept being like, AJ, are you going to be offended

that you're not the god mom because you're the aunt? Not at all. She's like, no, no, no. She's like, it should be someone that's separate. I was like, I should do. Right, some people do the actual aunt. You hear that?

What? It should be separate. So technically, there's still, there's still a moment that you can make this happen. You know, if I die, if I have both. Oh my gosh. She talked.

Because about this to you guys, she's like, if I die, not only do you get both of my children, you need to take care of my husband too. That's right. You're like, oh, okay. Wow. And she means in every way. Yeah. Like authentically genuinely.

Genuinely. With some girl that's going to dead my memory when she comes. Right. Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. You guys, we've had this conversation. That is so funny. That's hilarious.

Yeah. Yeah. So you're basically the God mom to her kids and husband. And her husband. And her husband. Got it. God mom. Like, I know she'll take care of the kids and, and,

And they're not going to be like, don't talk about that lady anymore. She was a great mom. Yeah, okay, that's good. This is so dark. Great. So you have no. She says it's dark. That's a little bit, but I like it.

It is, but I like it. But we're, you know, it's real. It's real. And wait, what's the age difference between your guys' kids? You said 10. Yeah, nine and six. And she has two boys. Oh, cute.

So they are like cousins, you know, because it does change once they get a little older. and then, you know, but they still, they were over last weekend. It's on the trampoline. Yeah. They're adorable. That's so sweet. That is really cool. Yeah, so Allie assigned a godmother and a godfather.

Right. But separate. Yeah, separate. They're not from the same. I am like in a battle because she assigned. No, we can't. We can't. No, I'm going to talk about it nicely.

Okay. Okay. Who did you assign? Someone that you don't like? No, no. Love. Okay. But his wife thinks that she's the godmother because he's the godmother.

Because he's the godfile. It doesn't work like that necessarily. And you're like, no, honey. Wait, but it doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like that. And you're right. And I will have to battle in like a gladiator ring, which I'm always in. Yeah.

I'm going to have to battle both of them. I'm like, well, it doesn't matter because. Right. They're all with me. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, they're all coming to me. They're all coming to me.

Yeah. Just because you're the spouse doesn't mean you both got the godmother. Yeah. It's not like an automatic, right? Because you have separate God mom and Godfather. And I was tempted in a way to be like, because the God mom is married to someone that like we absolutely adore and is like a very close friend. And thinking he might be.

When I met my husband, they met too as a couple. So it's like a real like it's it's it's very yeah, it's very tight net. Like all met the same day. Yeah. Yeah. On a set. No way. And all got married.

And I was tempted to be like, well, should he be godfather? But then I was like, well, he's going to give godfather vibes anyways because his wife is the godmother. But I was like, I have the godfather has to be our gay bestie. Raymond who's been around since we were, you know, 10, 9. Yeah, right. Yeah. Best, best friend.

Yeah. So he's the godfather. Yeah. I wonder if there's ever instances, though. We're really dark. But like when this happens and people like battle it out because like technically the kid's supposed to whatever, like are there godmothers and godfathers who aren't a couple that are like.

Right. What do you do? Interesting. Well, that's interesting because if the parents pass. Yeah. It's up to the godmother and godfather raise the kids. It's technically the godmother and godfather the people that. would be like, I feel like that's pretty much like what. But then you do a will and you actually

say who guys, okay. Because like for us, at least I remember our parents, we had, we had guardians. So different. It was like, but I think that was like in writing, I'm pretty sure that if our parents had passed, that we would go to the bucks to Marlon Kerr. And we love them and we're so close with them. But not, but they were not our godparents. But you had separate Godparents. Yeah. Interesting. But it is interesting. You almost kind of want to choose Godparents that are maybe a couple. It kind of maybe makes sense. It does make sense. Because listen, what are you going to do?

If that's intentionally like what it's for, God forbid anything happens. So Raymond and Alyssa would raise Jack. Would raise Jack. Which I would be dad. You get split custody. Yeah. Sure. Especially if they go along. But what if they don't like? Nothing's going to happen. Yeah. You're right. If they don't like each other, that's not great. It's like a bad divorce between God's parents. You're in your choices? Are we, am I being attacked a little bit? Yeah. I am on the attack. Yeah. So it is like, we're like, we're like, we're.

like sisters too. Yeah, yeah. I get that energy. It's sweet. We fight. No, it's, it's really, we don't really fight, though. It's like fake fighting. It's fake. It's like friend fighting. Or we'll like talk about it. Yeah. We're a different than like sister. Like, you can kind of be brutal with a sibling. Yeah. Yeah. Even a really close friend, you still are like reserving that like 5% that you wouldn't go there. I agree. You know? Okay. Take us through the beginning. Because you guys popped off so young. Like how did that have? You know? Like, how did that have? How did it come to be? Give us a little back story. It all started with, I guess it all, technically like the beginning of the entertainment industry for Allie and I, started with this flyer

that was on our mom's desk that was promoting an acting workshop. And Allie and I got very excited. It happened to be a very legitimate acting workshop. This was not like a John Robert Powers situation. Right. God bless him. And we begged our mom. Our mom was like, I don't want you guys doing this. This is not what I signed up for. Like, her mom wanted her in the industry when she was a kid and it really freaked her out. And she was like, I don't want this. Like, she was in pageants and a baton baton twirler and like kind of a performer, but not a born performer, like, didn't want to do that.

So I think there was some hesitancy there. She was like, I don't want my kids to do this. And we begged her and we finally got our way. I mean, we were at the time, like, eight and 11. No, even younger. Because this was before we left. So we were born in California. And then we moved to, like, I was.

A suburb of Seattle, Washington. We lived in Seattle for like seven years as kids, even though we were born. We were probably like, I don't know, like nine and seven, something like that? Yeah. You were quite young. Yeah. And we just got the bug and like went to this workshop that was like, I don't know, over a course of a couple months.

Yeah. In Seattle. Yeah. And it was a legitimate workshop. Yeah, this wasn't in L.A. And it happened to be a legitimate workshop. And agents came down and scouted after six months of the course being finished. And we both got an agent.

and my mom was like, whatever, we're not, we live in, we live in Washington now, so we can't, sorry, you'll never be in the business. And then because of our dad's business, we ended up moving back to L.A. And then we were like, hey, remember those agents? Oh, wow. And that's like kind of how we got back into. Yeah. Yeah. So really, yeah.

Yeah, that's how we got into it, like, professionally. Yeah. Yeah. But it started with like. I got my sad card in 2001. So I was 10, nine. Wow. And it started with like modeling, right?

It was like modeling, right? It was like modeling. Yeah, it started with modeling. And then. commercial work and then Allie and I, you know, started auditioning for TV and then Ali booked a series on Disney Channel and then that led to them finding out about our songwriting, which then led to them putting one of the songs in the show and then meeting with us on the label side. So then they signed us that year to, you know, become a band. And yeah, it all happened

very quickly. And actually quite natural. How old were you at that point? When we got signed, I think we were 12 and 14. 14 or 13 and 15. 13 and 15. 13 and 15. That's so young. You don't even know. It's so young. You don't even, I mean, it's funny. You don't know at the time. I look at some of the artists, you know, because there are, I feel like there's more young artists than there's ever been, you know, where it's like, oh, they just popped off.

But never artists now that are 17. But like that's really good. They're never like, just put out my first album. I'm 15 years old. No. That's like, I mean, Bieber was young. You know, there's a few. But like, it's rare that you would be that young and that, you know, it all kind of comes together and falls in your lap in a way.

because a lot of it is just luck and fate, you know, but. Yeah. But I don't think we knew how big of a deal it was. We were just kind of like, cool, we're signed. Like, we're going to make a record, you know? We didn't know what we were doing, but we loved music. And music, I think, was always kind of our first love. Yeah.

So you were studying that on your own separately, doing the acting, and then on the side just being like, hey, let's write a song. Yeah. Yeah, we started picking up the guitar at like 10 and 12, and that led to writing. And so we started just writing in our bedroom. together and we were like oh these are really cool songs and then those songs ended up being our audition for the label and they signed us off these like five acoustic songs that we had written together very basic you know chords you know it's like e d c g that's about it that sounds amazing

um yeah it's hard it's great it is hard and we really fell in love with it and i think it really it led to the songwriting which to me is like the coolest part about what we do yeah um but yeah the acting and music was always there in the sense that we were very much performers as kids not like a give my regards to Broadway type kid, but like, let's like, let's put on a show. Let's create like little tickets for the neighbors. Let's like, let's sing at the church. Let's, we would do duets with our mom and like, I don't know. Because I don't think we were like theater stage kids, but we were like very much into like music and like how do we put on a scene and like we would write scenes for our Barbies.

And just very weird creatively in a way that didn't make sense because no one else in our family was like that. Right. Yeah. Like our parents are always kind of surprised that we could just like play. for hours. Just, you know, the two of us. And it was like, oh, the kids have been in there for five hours. Which is not some gift. Like there are a lot of kids that can play for hours that way. But it actually led to something, which is kind of cool. That was artistic. But it was wild. Yeah. And what's interesting is like normally you'd go, oh, well, how was that

like for school, right? Like another kids or whatever, but you had mentioned that you guys were homeschool. Yeah. So was that your entire life you were homeschool? Not entire life, but a lot of it. I mean, we went to regular school up until third and fifth grade. Yeah. And then that was it. It was like never again. Is that because you started acting? Yeah, I think it just became hard being pulled out of school.

Right. So then my mom was like, well, I guess we could just homeschool you guys. Would you be down with that? And we were like, yeah, sure. And then we still had like structure to our day. It was just we would start a little bit later and we would end usually a little bit earlier. And then we had set teachers, you know, that were... Of course.

And then a tutor on tour, someone on tour, you know, on the bus to like teachers. Yeah. Yeah. So having a kid now, would you homeschool him? It's funny. My husband and I have talked about this. I think that homeschooling is great if you're that kid that specifically needs it. But I think that like going to school is actually a really good thing to have as just a person in society.

So like I think an ideal situation would be the... that there's like a tutor that's out with us if we're out on the road that comes and teaches him. But that like when we're not out on the road, he's in a school. That eight months out of the year, nine months out of the, you know, he's in school. Then it's like, well, the school system allow that? Like, you're hard. There's some schools, right? You'd have to go private.

You have to go private. Right, right. If you go public, then you're in and out constantly and they won't allow that. I mean, we were getting, we were starting to get bullied in school because we were missing so many days and people knew we were booking like John. So it'd be like, oh, you're so cool. like you're on a show now. It's like, glad you could come by. It's like, what?

And these are kids. Take it. Of course. And kids are mean. They can be really brutal. Kids can be really brutal. Kids can be super mean. Yeah.

Like, Jack will never be mean. No. Never. I'll spank him. No. But did you end up having to do private with your daughter? She is private. She is, yeah.

I haven't taken like a big job since she was three. So it was preschool. So it didn't matter. But I think about it now, you know. But also you guys had each other. For her, it's, she's, it's just her. Sure, that's true. So I feel like if she had siblings, it might be easier.

Like, homeschooling to me sounds ideal because I'm a huge fan of, like, making your own hours and, like, no homework. No extra work after you just been at school. It makes me crazy. I know. I think it's Finland. And it's like they go nine to two, no homework, like all this stuff. And I'm just like, it's a thing. And I'm like, why can't we get it right?

But in homeschooling, if I had a group, like, let's say friends. and we talk about this all the time. And you all did it together. We talk about it. We'd create, yeah. Like creating like a communi vibe and like that I think is cool. And I think that's very natural actually. And also teach some things that maybe aren't naturally taught like gardening or like all the things.

Yeah. How to balance a checkbook. Like things that like are just not being taught. You know what I mean? It's like you guys could kind of create your own curriculum along with curriculum that's legitimately written. Absolutely. My cousin home school is in Santa Barbara and she's got a pot.

So they do different things. Like I think it's like each week they do. do a field trip together. So they're going to museums. They're going to the zoo. They're going to all these different things. And then the kids are in sports. So they still get the social.

Yeah, the social aspect. Yeah. Which is important. And then the education, they have like a teacher that does it. And I'm like, hmm. I like it. That sounds kind of great. Yeah.

And like there's a little bit more in a pod kind of scenario. It would be, there'd be less kids, obviously. So it also seems like there'd be a little more attention, you know? Yeah. And also they do all different. which I like. So it's not just like here sit in a box with your specific age. Sure. All learn the same things. It's like learn how to interact with this kid who's four years younger than you. Yeah. I like that. That's really cool. Yeah. I think that like it is individual and personal. Like every kid's different. And I know my kid if there were like older kids that knew so much more than her, she might feel like less confident. Sure, sure. So. But you're right. It is kind of kid by kid. It's kind of kid by kid. It's kid by kid.

And there are a lot of schools that are great. Like my daughter's gone to two schools now. They're wonderful. And it's very like individualized attention if they need it. And I just think it's so important because every kid learns so differently. Yeah. Yeah. It's so true.

But yeah. Home schooling sounds like. It was great for us. Yeah. I mean, we still got four years to figure out what is his like school situation. So I mean, that'll probably blow by. But we have time, you know. And you guys are super close.

Do you guys feel like more? more like twin vibes. Kind of. Yeah. In terms of like taste and like opinion and just overall energy and yeah, I do sometimes for like twins. Yeah. And it doesn't feel like we were, it feels like we've kind of experienced the same things in life.

I mean, obviously we have our own individual. We're like, we've experienced the same life. Yeah, the same exact life. We share every. We're just an amoeba. Yeah. Yeah. But because we've experienced so many, I guess,

you know, integral moments in our career, especially together, that are so linked, it does feel like, oh yeah, oh yeah,

you're right. You're still two years younger than I am. Yeah. You're still the baby. Do you guys ever, like, fight or argue, especially creatively

because you work together too? Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, it's usually not like very deep or heavy or last long, but we definitely like

every now and then we'll disagree on like how we want the tour to maybe be set up or like. Or like a set list. Yeah, a song that one of us wants to play it. The other one's like, I don't think we should.

And like, like, little things like that that end up being, like, creatively pretty easily figured out. But that's the only time it's never us, like, disagreeing on like, should this song be on the record or I love this as the cover for the vinyl and,

you know, someone likes a different, like, it's usually pretty much the same. Yeah, again, it's all about taste. Like, we have really similar taste. There's not a lot of clash because we end up really gravitating towards the same thing. So creatively, we're really on the same thing. And I feel like there's a lot of bands that, you know, collectively, I mean, there's only two of us. I can't imagine having another three or two people that you have to also get on board with. But like, I feel like there's a lot of

bands that say, oh, we have completely different taste. And it's like, wow, how does that work? How does that continue on where you can make records over many years and maybe you have wildly different tastes, but you make good art together? That's interesting. Yeah, I agree. That's definitely not us. It's always like, same taste, same vibe, let's do it. And I was just seeing you guys sitting next to each other. It's like, your clothes, like everything. Totally. Sometimes we'll like show up to each other's house and we're like matching. Yeah. Like, didn't plan that, but okay. Yeah, the other day we were in like the same sweatshirt. It's so funny. All day. I can never change. I was like either did I. We do that. Yeah. She'll walk into my house

and we'll be like the literal same thing. That's funny. And we do revel in it a lot that a lot of times We're always on this. We always think the same thing about the same people. We're always like, yeah. You're like, I don't like, I don't vibe them. Get a bad, bad energy. Yeah. Yeah.

It's never like, no, I really feel strongly about this. And the other one's like, mm-mm. The only time that happens if there's like a guy I'm interested in and I'm still exploring and she's like a hard no. No. We're all. You're like, but that's good. You'll be like, you'll be like, this isn't right for you. I won't say it.

She doesn't have to say it. You know. No. Because she knows. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you don't want to be the one that just immediately just squashes it. Never.

She's really good like that. Never. Like she won't just offer her opinion unsolicited. Right. No. No. You don't do that. I know.

I try hard. I want to. It's hard. You'll do all the time. Oh, she's cut through. 100%. We will be like that too. Yeah.

We'll just be like, no. No. No. Uh-uh. Yeah. Because you know why? Here's what I've learned. Every time I've had to explore something in life,

there's been someone on the other. other side of it that's like no or you shouldn't or this, that, and the other. And the lessons I've got from doing it are more valuable. Sure. Than anything. So like, who am I to go through it? Yeah. Like, no matter who someone dates or what they're choosing, it's like, you can't predict someone's lessons. And sometimes it's like, I remember there was this one guy and everyone was like, no, no, no, no. And I learned how to communicate there. And so I took that with me to me to me. my now husband, had I not done that, I wouldn't have gotten that lesson. So with Rachel or with any of our friends, I'm always kind of like, explore.

Let them, really, like, explore it and see. Because we know what's best for ourselves, not as far as, like, outcome, but lessons, I think. Yeah, I agree. I don't know. You're like, I'm not convinced. I'm just kidding. She's like, no. No, I mean, there are some things where, we're like,

that's a hard no, but she's much better at like allowing people the space to learn it on their own. Yeah, I think that's good. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it comes from like a stubborn personality or what it is, but you're much better at it. Well, I try at least. She does a good job. She's also a coach, which she doesn't like to say. Oh, really?

Like a life coach? Yeah. You want, what? Are you going to talk about this when I'm doing my podcast? She also. Oh. Let's think of other things. That's cool, though. That's cool, yeah.

I love that. It's fun. Like, like a therapist, kind of. Yeah. It's like a therapist. It's just a little bit more interactive. She went to spiritual psychology school. Cool.

But the one thing I did learn is it was crazy because they said in the beginning, you're not allowed to give any advice. And I was like, how do you help? How do I do this without, yeah. Yeah. And they're like, your only job is to help facilitate someone. to find their own answers. So like if Rachel's like, what should I do?

I'm like, what do you think? Like, how do you feel? It annoys the shit. You're like, I hate this. Yeah. Because I'm like, you actually know better than I do. If I were to give you advice, a lot of time, I'm kind of spiritually cock-blocking you from your bottom or your top or whatever.

Cock-blocking you from your bottom or your top. You heard it here first, everybody. But that's what it is. Right? My gosh, a spiritual cockblock. Yeah, but it makes sense, though. Yeah, because then you're almost informing the decision that you'd make on the other person. And most of the time we're wrong.

Yeah. Because it's based on our filter. I'm not wrong. Yeah. She doesn't. She's like, I'm never wrong. Yeah, but we're always all wrong, right? Yeah.

To learn the right. You got to be wrong. I don't. I'm on one today, you guys. Yeah, to learn to be right. You got to be wrong. Sometimes. I've been wrong so many times.

So I'm like, that person should not do that. And then it happens and it's like, whatever it was led them to the song or the thing. And you're like, had I gotten involved in that? Yeah, yeah. I would have fucked them up from finding the thing. That's true. I mean, sometimes the songwriting session is a little bit like that. You know, you almost don't want to like shut down the idea.

Like there's many times it will be in a songwriting session. And we're kind of like look at each other going like, this isn't really vibing. You know, nobody, nobody else to know. Like either another collaborator or each other. And we want to shut each other down. And it's like, don't do that. And it's like, just let it. Because sometimes it actually, it will like show itself.

It'll reveal itself. And then sometimes you just walk away and you go, well, we didn't get anything today. That's okay. That's just the, that's just part of the job. But like, you're right. It's almost like not, not wanting to put a hindrance on it. Just say cock block. Yeah.

Not wanting to cock block. We all said it now. You're like, I'm teaching my children. Yeah. Don't cock block. I think this and feel this really strongly in this moment. I think you and I should go take a songwriting course. Oh, boy.

Oh. That'd be so cool. I really do. I bet she, there's got to be somebody that does that. Don't you think? Do it. What? And we'll come with you guys.

Yeah. So you feel comfortable. Let's do it. No, I would. We would actually have a blast, I bet. Just be, wouldn't we just like hang out with you guys? Yeah, you guys also could just hang out with us. songwriting?

Well, we could do it that way, too, if you didn't feel comfortable. But we'd want you guys to also learn. Like, I love that idea. I want to learn. Everyone should learn how to write a song. There's not even a way to learn. It's like you just... Right.

It's just a vibe. It's an energy. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a hang. Honestly, songwriting is a hang. It doesn't always have to rhyme. In fact, it's really fun when it doesn't.

Interesting. I kind of get over the rhymes, to be honest. Yeah, agreed. Sometimes the... Oh, this would be cool. Heaven agrees. Let's do it. Do you guys draw or do you have a diary that you?

write we both journals she can say she probably have lyrics that you're not even aware of and you can sing I mean she says that very loosely like I'm not but you can hold pitch yeah she can sing let's go to a course we live in L.A like there's no way that's there will be I mean this is the place you've never taken a songwriting course it'd be

funny to be songwriters taking a songwriting milk carton kids they they have some program songwriting they do like a they do like a we should look it up that's cool oh my god they're awesome I don't know they're yeah I know I know they're Yeah. If you've met them, they're so rad. Never met them. But they have a chorus. I think we don't know. That's very cool. Oh, did they? Yeah, I think wild. That is weird. This is meant to be.

It's meant. This is me too. That's like Instagram like serving you that. I mean, and it's like in your mind. Teach is a very soft word. That's what we talked about. We're supposed to go to this Grammy camp event this year where we like to speak about

songwriting and like inspire kids. Oh, yeah. To get a songwriting course. You guys could come to the Grammy camp. Oh, or be kids at the Grammy. Or be kids. Yeah. They're like, um, ma'am, why are you guys here?

You're like, I'm sorry. We're part of this. My inner child wants to learn. We're like Adam Sandler in. What's, Billy. Madison. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just completely.

Like, what's the one where he goes out? I feel like it would be such a great thing. I think about that with my son because he's the music. I was telling Rachel this today. One of my best friends is a songwriter. And he, my son always gravites. His favorite songs always happen to be something that Billy wrote on. And I'm like, that's weird.

Like, what is that? Like, he gets the beat in this, in the way of, like, he gets it, you know? And I'm like, I wonder if. he should be in songwriting. There's a style he's into already. Yeah. Yeah. It's always this guy's music.

And it's different artists. Oh, interesting. Isn't that? He'd be like, I love the song. It's like, completely ranges. And he'll be like, I love that song. And you're like, our friend wrote it. Yes.

That's wild. I always look it up because I'm like, I know Billy worked with that person. And I'll look it up and be like, that's weird. That's really cool. Is your son like playing any instruments or in any like? He just started bass.

Okay, cool. Yeah. That's awesome. That's like, that's a gateway is like getting into an instrument, you know, that that will help lead to like actual songwriting for sure. Yeah. But also there's a ton of songwriters that also don't play instruments and are great writers. I think that's us. We've just never done it.

That's you guys. I just don't know it yet. I took my daughter to Taylor Swift and then she insisted she needed guitar lessons, which I thought was great. Afterwards, she was like, oh, that Taylor is inspiring a bunch of young girls. Has she started? Yeah, she did. That's cool. Yeah.

She hasn't played. The school burned down. Oh my gosh. I know. We're just dark today. That's so sad. No, it's okay. She could take lessons somewhere else.

I just haven't found it. You haven't pivoted yet. I'm being crazy. That would be cool, guys. Like an adult and kid together. Oh, totally. Like moms can bring their kids. Yeah.

I went, you guys. So my daughter, you know, her dad took her to get a guitar. And it's so cute. And then she has like the roses on her. strap and then I was like, well, clearly I need a guitar to learn with her. Right, right, right. I bought one, didn't realize there were multiple sizes. I'm like, I can get a smaller one too and like try. Oh my. How tiny was it? It's like a ukulele. Haven't picked it up once. Oh my. It's just like miniature. It's just there. That's just there. That's so funny. Yeah. It's like a girl doll size.

Yeah, exactly. Just tiny. It's a door. It's like a Fisher Price name. Yeah, no, I have not touched it. But she can play Odejoie quite well. That's great. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. That's a little. Yeah. That's She started somewhere. All right. But yeah, it was inspiration. And I'm sure, like, I just think it's so cool. And you guys have the same thing, you know, where kids at the Grammy camp or whatever can look up and be like, I want to write songs. Well, it's cool because, like, music is something that you can do your whole life.

And it doesn't have to be your profession. It can be something that you just do as a way to relax or a way to decompress or a way to get your feelings at whatever. So it's actually, I think, I think it's really important. It would be so fascinating if every. single person, like, on earth, played some form of an instrument. Yeah. Like, that would be so cool. That would be so healing for our collective species, you know?

I feel pretty, like, truly. Worthless that I can't. But I was dead set on a harp as a kid. That's cool. That's amazing. I love that. That's a weird one. It's totally weird.

I like it. Thank God my mom didn't give in and, like, actually get me the harp. I also feel like a harp. I wouldn't have played it. You might be, you might be at the Philharmonic right now. That's true. That's true. But I was so obsessed, you guys.

Like, it's all I asked for. Was it because, like, you saw someone play it or was in a movie? I don't remember. It could have been, like, The Little Mermaid and there's, like, an underwater, like, pretend heart in it. And I was like, I need a harp or whatever it was as a kid. But I was dead set on a heart. It's the only instrument I've ever insisted on. Actually, that's a lie.

I played the flute. I was a flautist for a few months. Is that what it's called? A flautist? I had to say it in a movie. It's the only reason I know that. Floutist. Love it.

I'm a flautist. I know. Oh, my God, please check that I'm right. No, I definitely said that in a movie. I'm pretty sure that's what it's called. Okay. So only- And your character played flute in the movie? She didn't actually have to show it, thank God, because that would not have gone well. But it was like a pro. It was like a line like, I'm a flautist. Yeah, I'm a flautist. Yeah, it does not work. It's not owned. That's the only one I have interest in. The piano? Yeah. I don't know. It's like a penis. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't. I don't know. I don't. I don't why. The guitar, there's a disconnect. I don't know what it is. I mean, piano and guitar, I mean, every instrument is so wildly different from each other. Right. It's like, sometimes your brain is like, oh, I get this instrument. And my brain does, you know, and then your brain is like, oh, I don't get this instrument. Yeah, I understand the disconnect. Like, some people are more intimidated by the fact that it's like up against them with the strings. Like piano, you're like displayed in front of you. You can see everything out here. It's a different function.

It's a different function. Physical feng shui. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. My daughter has to play an instrument next year. It's string, so it's cello. Viola or viola? How do you pronounce it?

I don't know. Viola. Viola. Vola. Yeah. She has to pick one. Oh, she has to pick. Oh, wow.

Yeah. I want to, like, guide her towards the, quote-unquote, easiest. I'm not saying any R. Yeah. Interesting. I know. And is that because of the school is like, you need to be a string. I think up a violin.

personally. Yeah. That'd be so cool. Yeah, violin. It would be cool. I feel like it seems hard. It seems hard. It seems hard. The Shepard has a violin concert. I'm sorry, what? Yeah. Does he play the violin? I guess. I guess.

He does them. He does for that. Hold on. This is your kid. This is our six-year-old. Oh, my. What? He's also special needs, so it's like, he keeps telling me I'm playing the violin, and I was like, I will be there front row. That's so cute. That is awesome. It's really cool.

He belongs on the drums, though. He is animal. He's animal. He's animal from. 100%. I love that. 100%. The violin?

I can't even. And I love how you're like, he plays that and you're like, I guess. Does he have a little mini, like kid one? No, it's not like he has one at the house. No, it's not at home. So how does he practice? Yeah, how does he practice?

I guess the whole class is doing it. They have a concert on Thursday, and I was like, wow. You're like, okay. She had no idea. Oh, my. That's not. Oh, that's so funny. That's going to be cool, though.

Watch as you show up and it's all like actually not by lens and they're all just miming it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're all just like a genius. Yeah, yeah. Totally. They're actually all muted. He's like, he's also deaf. I'm not laughing at that.

He might be amazing. You know, he literally. You're like he is. No, he actually is partially death. But I'm like, but sometimes they feel things in a way. In a different way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, honestly, you might be like watching him going like, whoa.

No, honestly, he probably would be like an officinado. You know, where you're like, wow. This kid, you don't understand. This kid walks in a room and owns it. Like no other you've ever seen in your life. I love that. It is actually wild. I love that.

That's cool. That's my godson. That's your godson. I'm taking him for sure. For sure. You're going to have to take, you can't leave Elliot by himself. I'm not as Godwell. She's like, nope.

I'm out. Sorry, not in the papers. If you take Shepherd, you need Elliot. I know, no, 100%. Was it like that with you guys? Did you go everywhere? Did you share the same friends? Did you ever like the same guy? So we have always shared friends. Always shared friends. Yes, growing up having the same taste. We've always had the same crush. I don't know if the in person we've been over after the same guy. Does that make sense? Like TV or movie, like we'll both be like, whoa, that guy's so cute. But like in person, like an actual person we're both going after. I don't think we've ever really done that. No. Who? Who were they as a kid?

Who were your crushes? Like dudes on like Disney Channel, like Eric Vondetton from Brank. We had a huge crush on him. Kevin's saying yes. He's the first guy. Yeah, he rules. Yeah, he rules.

He's not even in the industry anymore. I was curious. I don't know who he is. He's not in the business anymore. Who else? Yeah, it was like, you know, I don't know. Like the boy bands. Carieless from Princess Bride.

Of course. You know. Yeah, Cari Ellis. That's a good one. That's a good. Or like, boy bands. Did we both really like Dan Carter? A little bit.

I think there was moments where like we would be into someone and then it would be like you'd just wildly pivot off of them and be like no longer interested. Josh Hartnett, I think that was one. Yeah. He was a big one. Like all these guys, we have the same, we really do have the same taste in a way. Not really towards, I don't know, not really towards men. I mean, our guys are very different. Yeah.

So I don't think we'd ever be after the same dude. No, not necessarily. Like we would pine after the same like, he's cute on screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. What about you guys? Yeah, sorry, nothing juicy there. We've never liked the same person.

What are you talking about? The same person? Don't make me bring up the story again. That is not an actual like or a person. Who is this? That's not like a real like I like this person. You know what I mean? That was more of like a, that person's obviously hot.

What about? Who? What about, no, I didn't like him. Who'd you like? We always thought the same. Same as you guys. We always had like a, this is a type that we find attractive. But then if we share that same overall type.

Right, but we've never gone. But not individually. Yeah, we've never. There's never been a person in front of us where we're both like, wow, he's mine. Nope. Yeah, not real life. But like famous people, we're always like, yes. Yeah, he's cute.

Yeah. There's probably been no one. No, unless you're, unless this is like new information. No, it's not. That's so funny. There's no one. We've always, we get it. But there is someone you thought of.

Well, it was a famous person. Oh, okay. It wasn't like someone who's in your, in your life. You're like, doesn't count. Got it. We'll tell you when we're not right, Courtney. Okay, perfect. I'm dying.

No. Now I'm trying to think. Maybe we have the same crush, all four of us. We might. You guys have to match us. I mean, I think we all pop. did at one point. I'm sure.

Yeah. Which that's like fair. It's like you can't be like, you can't be like Brad Pitt's mine. Right. Right. You're like, he's all of us. He's a national treasure. He's all of ours.

He's all of ours. He's a man of the people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A man of the people. That's funny. We all love them.

That would be an interesting existence in a way. Like I'm even like a, like Leo. Right. He's just kind of always been that guy that's been pined after. Yeah. Do you think now that? So many women. Now, I don't know.

Now it's like. In the model pool. Right, right. In the model space. For sure. But like I guess if I think of like Leo when he was young like in the beach, great. Perfect. But like now I'm kind of like no.

Yeah. Right. You know? Leo was never. It was never it for me. He wasn't for you. Yeah. Oh, growing pains.

Leo on growing pains. No, it gives my body like makes my body feel weird. I was so. You're obsessed. I think you're too young for growing. No, we've loved growing pains. No, no, no. Growing Pains was still our area demographic. Kurt Cameron.

I mean, we were obsessed with Leo on that show. He was the cutest thing that ever hit the screen. I would have gone more. Kurt Cameron. You would have gone more him. I think so. Wow. What?

Yeah, I think so. I used to follow Leo around at the Sherman Oaks Galleria. You know who it was for me? Because he'd be there and I'd be like, and nobody knew who he was then. And I'd be like, oh my God. That's fine. And this was like, when? When we were like.

I was probably like nine. Wow. He was like a tween. Tween. Yeah. She's always loved. Wow. I'm going to throw out a random.

And any of you, I don't know. Jonathan Brandis. Oh, I loved him. I don't know that you guys know who he is. I feel like I know that name. He passed away, I believe. Oh. You did?

All the time. What? Yeah. I knew this. Yeah. What was his name? He got a movie called Lady Bugs. Okay.

So I'm going to say. He was on a show called like Sequest. or something. He was? I don't know. I was obsessed with this movie. Yeah, yeah, a young actor. Lady Bob. Beautiful. And wait, when did he pass? It was like... I don't remember. He passed he was dark. 2003. I was like I was going to say it was a while ago. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a sad story. I didn't have a crush on him in person. Why I never know him in a person? Lady Buck. That's the movie. Yeah, as a kid. Loved him. I'm just going to throw that out there. Those crushes, can, you can, you can still feel them. They're powerful. When you think of them at that age, you're like, well, we were watching, like, dirty dancing with

Patrick Swayze like you know crybaby Johnny Depp Right right vibes Oh yeah yeah yeah Johnny Depp or older A little older so it's a little different But no but you're right

I remember cry baby well Yeah You do? Yeah Oh And um And are you dancing Okay

We don't want to let you go But I know we have been talking forever We want to plug the album Yes And Silver Believer Silver Deliver Deliver

Sorry My brain re-she said She's like But you're on sure You're like, it's not, right. No, because I knew it was er-ur, and I'm like, it's not a believer. It's a deliverer, which makes so much more sense. Yeah, it makes more sense than believer.

I'm like, believer. I'm like, you guys, I just renamed your album. That's amazing. You're welcome. It's out now. So, yeah, stream the record. We're really, really proud. You guys have to come to a show.

And come to a show. We love to. The tour just came up, went on sale today. So, yeah. So come to a show. So come to a show. Like, you can just be moms night out. And you guys can just go.

Yes. I love that. Yeah. Where did you play last night? That was just a private show at Desert 5 spot. It was just like a fun, like, album party. It wasn't like a show show. But it was very fun and it was like stripped back and it was a good time.

It was fun. We would love to. And the album's amazing. Thank you. It really is. It's awesome. We're so happy that you have a new one and that you came here today and congratulations. I know he's won, but still.

No, but it's our child. It's your child. It's the album's child. It's the album's child. I say child of the people. He very much is. He's a Brad Pitt of babies. He's a Brad Pitt of babies.

Yes. Nailed it. That was a perfect way to close. All right. Thank you guys. Thanks for having us. She is on one today. For some reason, if I have like snot fogging my brain, clogging my brain, rather.

Not the snot fog. I really get special. I'm just going to say it's that. I have no idea what's going on. What else could it be? What else could it be? Hmm. Let's ponder, shall we?

Well, guys. Hi. Hi. Do you know what happened to me in the bathroom? What's that? So, like, I really had to pee because I've drank a lot of tea. What kind of tea? Green tea, black tea?

A London fog. Ooh. London brain fog. No, but maybe it's connected to your... That was great. Foggy brain? Yeah. I shouldn't drink it.

And I didn't even hear it because my ears are clogged. But that was great, Kevin. Well done. Thank you. In the bathroom, so I had to pee really bad, but you know it's going to be like a long pee? This is a female thing, Kevin. Okay. But you're on your period and you have a tampon in.

And sometimes if you have a long pee, but people are waiting for you, you're like, I got to push out my pee so it goes faster. Okay. But you can't push out your pee if you have a tampon in. No. Because I might birth a tampon in the process. Oh, I see. It's going to come out.

Okay. So I couldn't push out my pee. So I took a really long time where I'm like, do they think I'm pooping? They were gone. What? They weren't waiting. Yes, I went pee before they left. Oh, I see what you mean.

Okay. But does that ever happen to you? We have to push out a pee, but you can't if you have a tampon in? Because the potential of the tampon is slipping a little as you push the pee. Oh, my God. Why do you make me feel not relatable? Every time. I was taking a moment to think about it.

I can't be a part of this particular conversation. Sure. Uh-huh. If Leo was here, she would fully understand. No, I was going to go into a more graphic detail. Okay, please do I have to sit and think about it and be like, do I really want to say this right now? Yes, you do. Do not leave me alone.

I can no longer pee without changing my tampon. Oh, got it. So I don't relate to that because I can't even have a tampon in my. enough to go pee because it's so intense. You have redeemed yourself that I have to legit change my tampon every single time I pee. Okay. I feel better. Wow.

Are you happy I brought this up? I am. I wish I could contribute. I can't. I mean, you can. I can contribute of the peeing so long you wonder if people are like, what is going on in there? But I don't know. Maybe I overthink that.

Because when people are in the bathroom for a while, I'm never like. Are you doing doing the thing that human beings have to do every day? Wait, here you go. This can relate to you. Great. I went in after, like in the coffee shop this morning. I went in the bathroom after like a dude came out and the toilet seat was down. And in my head, I'm like, interesting.

Like, did he just take a poop? Or is he a considerate person that goes pee but still shuts the toilet in a public restroom? Never that. Probably not, unfortunately. I definitely had. evidence that it was in fact a number two. Oh, okay. But it crossed my mind to ask you, Kevin,

like would you put the toilet seat down after you peed in a public restroom? It depends on the bathroom. If it's a nasty one, I'm not excited about touching the lid. Right. You can use a foot. Yeah, that's true. I use a foot. Yeah, go foot and then harness it down. By the side of it.

Yeah. I could pull that off. What do you mean? Harness it down? Like, bring the lid down. Not because I don't want my shoe to touch the top of it. You know, like I think I would make it dirtier by putting my feet all over the side. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Kind of a side graze. Yeah, it's a side grace for sure. Side grace. I always use my foot. Have you ever been in a public restroom where there's a sign? Do not use foot to fly? No.

It happened to me once. Foot to flush. Fuck you. I will use my foot to flush. No, it did happen once, and I was like, why? How do they know? That's weird. How do they know?

Interesting. I would love, I guess this is going to be my new business idea. Like, I love how some bathroom doors have the foot thing where you can open and close the door with the foot. Love it. We need to make that with flushing the toilet. I can push a button and then it flushes. In Japan, even at the airport, you have the automatic toilet. That's awesome.

They know what they're doing. Yeah. You know? Sometimes the automatic toilets don't go off, though. Where they go off at the wrong time. Well, you can set it off. Oh, if they go off at the wrong time and you get a little splash. Yeah, not about it.

I freak out. I don't like a little splash. No one wants a little splash. Mm-mm. In any way, shape, or form? No splash. Jeff and I got splashed by something driving the other day and it was so uncomfortable because I didn't know what it was. You mean you were walking and someone was driving?

No. we were in our car and the window was down and something someone had something that splashed and my whole thighs got wet what it all came in the car like someone threw a big gulp in your window something like that but it was like didn't make it in the car but the splash from it so I was like what is it oh no my eyes were wet it's disgusting that's disgusting disgusting unknown wet is disgusting unknown wet is It sounds like a horror movie. The unknown what? Or a porn.

Yeah, that's true. Same, same. Same, same. Same difference, guys. It can be both. Yeah. I like that we cover the important shit here. I don't like public restrooms.

Do not. They're tough. Who does? I know, but it's hard. Who does? Shepherd always wants to go to it. Like, we had to go to the bathroom the other day at this restaurant, and he's like, he wants to go in, and then he wants me to put the toilet seat cover down.

Yeah. But I'm like, do you just have to pee? Like you don't need to sit. Toilet seat cover. Just stand up and pee. Yeah. But he wants to touch it. And he wants to sit.

Yeah. Does he always pee sitting down? He never pee sitting down. He just wants me to, he just like likes the experience of me putting the toilet seat covered. It's like annoying. It's a thing. It's a thing.

We did try a new restaurant. And? Well. And the bathroom was fair. The bathroom was legit. No, it was good. Loki. Have you tried it?

He heard of it? Yeah. Tacos? Julie introduced me. She ordered it the other night. The tortillas are fantastic. Yeah. Homemade tortillas.

I don't know. I was going to go to home state and then one of the moms on baseball was like, go to Loki. It just opened. And I was like, okay. Right at the Trader Joe's on Laurel and Ventaro Center. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, it's great. Their cilantro rice is really yummy.

It's good? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I went to a, Leah and I went to a restaurant with my parents last year, a cool, like, kind of Ardi, Los Felas place. And the bathrooms were so stylistically, like all black, basically. But the lighting was very dim as well.

Oh. And very, it was like trying to be cool, but the accessibility was just difficult. And my dad walked out of the bathroom like, oh, you guys got a flashlight. It was just like so hard to see that it was like, it was trying to be so cool that it then became challenging. And there's piss. Probably all over you. No one needs a challenging bathroom. Yeah.

I don't like a black toilet seat. Oh. Like a whole, everything in the bathroom was black. That's a little too, yeah. The germaphobe inside me is like, no thing is. You can't see it. You can't see anything. No, that's not good.

People are pissing all over those walls. Yeah. They are not wiping all the way clean. I have piss all over my floor, all over the walls. You piss? Not me. I have two boys. I know.

So there's pee everywhere. There's just pee everywhere. Like I could never just have someone like casually come in the house and be like, I have to go pee. I always have to be like, hold on. Let me check. Interesting. Yeah. They use it as like a what you call it?

What do you call it in basketball? Backboard. Yeah. Go on. I got a nice compliment for my wife because we have a podcast recording studio at my place. And so guys are now pretty regularly recording in there. And a couple months ago, she pulled me aside and said, I just want to say it's really nice. And I took for granted how when you pee, you always pee in the toilet.

This is what I'm saying. Because it's messy now. Oh, no. It's nasty. So they better put the toilet tea down for Leah. Yes, they should. What is it about peeing that's so challenging for men? That's a great question.

Is it like the aim? Your weaners are doing loop-de-loops? I think it's the loop de-loop wiener syndrome that is plaguing men. I don't know why I said. I think it's like, right? God, this is our most graphic outro. Hey, thanks for all the new listeners who joined for the out. Ali and AJ episode. I think it's right when they pee. They don't get the bowl. Then they adjust. But by that point, it's already messy and then they don't clean up.

Interesting. How do you feel about, so every single time we get home, this isn't an exaggeration. My little son has to pee in the front yard. Interesting. And I'll say, Shepard, why don't you just pee in the house? And he'll look at me and just go, I have to. Wow. While he's peeing. He has to pee outside. Yeah. It's a thing. How do you feel about an outdoor pee? I am pro outdoor pee.

I have peed in my backyard more than once, but it is fenced. And so I am not horrifying the neighbors or anything. But would you take the extra steps to go in the house? Or would you just be like, fuck it. Outside's right here. Sometimes it's fuck it. And it kind of depends, like, I will do it when, I know she's listening. I will do it when she's not home.

Because if she walked by and saw me just pissing in the yard, she'd be like, what are you doing? Rightfully would call me out. So if it's the right time and place, I will. But I would say 98% of the time I'm peeing in the toilet. So when she does that next time, just look at her and go, I have to. I have to. Thanks for listening, everybody. Bye.

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