Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Amanda Righetti on Ronald Reagan, Modeling, and Motherhood

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

Amanda Righetti (The Mentalist, Friday the 13th) talks to Rachel and Olivia about playing the pivotal role of Ronald Reagan's mother, Nelle in her movie Reagan.  She also motherhood, The O.C.,  and being a model in the 90s.   Check out Amanda's movie, Reagan, now in theaters. Broad Ideas is sponsored by Blissy. Blissy is offering 60-nights risk-free PLUS an additional 30% off when you shop atBlissy.com/RACHELBroad Ideas is sponsored by Skims Fit Everybody collection, shop now at SKIMS.com.  After you place your order be sure to select "podcast" and be sure to select Broad Ideas in the dropdown menu that follows.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's true. Amanda Raghetti is here today. She was on the O.C. with me. It started like you were going to do a poem. Do you want to try again and do a poem? A poem? It sounded like Amanda Raghetti is here with spaghetti. Yeah.

Like that? Yeah, like a poem. Let's just let her. her talk so we stopped talking. Is she promoting anything or she just came on to hang out? No, no, she is. Yeah, she's promoting Reagan with Dennis Quaid. The president?

Yes, the president. She plays his mother. Well, we're going to let her talk about it. Sometimes when the wind inside of Rachel's little brain, all these thoughts are swirling, round and round inside. to join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings.

We'll talk about boys. Because people die. Amanda, I'm so happy you're here. I'm happy to be here. And obviously, I've known you for so long. That's wild. And we hadn't seen each other in person. In person.

Yeah, I know I'm trying to really dial it back. I feel like it was, it must have been, because it was pre-mentalist. So it must have been like 2007. Oh, my God. Wow. That was the last time in person. And like you came on the OC podcast. Right.

So we saw each other for that, which was, but it was on video. Yeah, Zoom or whatever. So that wasn't the same. But yeah. But yeah. That's crazy. It's been a hot minute. Oh, my God.

Well, you. You guys are full blown women. Right. We have like for moms now. We have kids. Yeah. Yeah, life of over 20 years since the OC, which is so crazy. But you were, I mean, it's, I love seeing you always and you were always so lovely, like, on the show.

And you did such an amazing job with the character. I mean, you just came in there and just shook it all up. Well, probably because I didn't know any better. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. It was sort of like my first, like, break, big gig. Wow.

You know, so I was, I feel like it's funny doing. interviews and having people ask me about that time period. And I was like, there's some of it that I just don't remember because I was such a deer in headlights. Yeah. Right. Right. And it felt a little overwhelming. And you had to play with the adults mainly. Mainly, yeah. So. And I was closer. We were, I was talking actually to Melinda about this because I think I was closer in age to Misha than the rest of you. And I was playing her like, I was playing her, well, the aunt. The aunt. The aunt. Seth's aunt. Yeah. Adam Brody's aunt, which. you're younger men.

Yeah, that's so weird. Isn't it kind of bizarre? Yeah. That's right. That's television. It's TV. I mean, and now you're playing Reagan's mom. Right.

Yeah. But in the 1920s and 30s. Oh, it's not set in current. You're like, oh, wait, what? Wait, what? No. Does that make you? Yeah.

Yeah, but it was, I mean, it was a really, it was a really fun experience too. It was neat to kind of step back in time doing it. We shot in Guthry, Oklahoma, and all the buildings were like pre turn of the century, right? It was like late 1800s. So it was really like stepping back in time. Wow. You know, once they put all the set deck together for it and things like that, it was really trippy. That must be the coolest feeling ever, right? Like as an actress, isn't that what it's all about? For me, absolutely. I mean, there's something really magical about how the set deck and all those pieces of the puzzle when they come together and then stepping on it and on to set. And it's just the transformation

of the places that we were filming. It was really, really neat. And it creates that sort of magical stepping back in time feeling. Yeah. Yeah, you can feel it. Yeah, for sure. And you also like were surrounded by, what an amazing cast, too. Yeah. Yeah. That's just, how did it all come about? Really random, actually. So Reagan, they, according to the producers, they spent about 10 years trying to get the movie off the ground. And it was originally supposed to start, I think, March of 2020.

And then the shutdown happened. And then they started filming in September of 2020. and got shut down twice more because of COVID outbreaks. So my portion of the film actually was filmed like seven months after a lot of the principal photography with Dennis and John and Penelope. And it was almost like a completely different movie because it was all his childhood. Right. It was all the stuff in the 20s and 30s.

And so, I mean, Dennis and I were sort of like ships passing in the night on the, that. Like we kind of passed each other but didn't obviously didn't have any scenes together. And, but to be a part of that cast and to be considered among them was really an honor. And, uh, and Sean McNamara, the director was really fantastic. And I think what was kind of funny was being at the premiere and seeing everybody without masks on. And I was like, oh, that's what your teeth look like. Right. Because it was all during the pandemic. So you were past, that soon. So I was cast in 2021 and I replaced someone.

So it was an offer for me. And I had less than a week to prep. Wow. That's actually kind of a blessing. I think so. I think for me, because I tend to be an overthinker. And I think if I had too much time with it, I probably would have overthought a lot of it. Right.

but what was nice is when I got to Oklahoma Justin Chatwin who plays Jack Reagan, Reagan's father, he and I sat down and tried to just kind of figure out what the relationship was between them because that was most of the meatiness of the scenes aside from a couple scenes with Tommy Reagan who played the childhood Reagan. So that, you know, that was

what we kind of really dove into it with some improv stuff and that helped kind of build the relationship. And unfortunately for timing, there was quite a bit of stuff from the childhood stuff that had to be cut. I think the original length was like three and a half hours. I'm sure. So, I mean, it was quite the life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

There was so much to go through. And they still touch on a lot, you know, even though there was stuff that was cut, it's still, it's amazing. how many things they were able to kind of cram into two hours and 20 minutes. Just all about his life. Yeah. Like not so much politics. Is that what you're saying? It's not, yeah.

I mean, that's the thing is the movie is not, it's not a political film. Yes, he was a political figure. And, you know, his career in politics, you know, it's, they kind of go hand in hand. But it's about Reagan the man. And what influenced him to make some of the decisions that he made and also what kind of led him to become a leader. And, you know, and so much of. it, I think so much of the impetus for him to make choices were instilled in him as a child and some of the things that his mother passed on to him. She was an elocutionist.

What's that? Well, it was pre-talkies, right? So they would have, people would come to the theater or to churches and they would speak and they would, you know, recite speeches or articles or plays. And she was really big in the community for doing stuff like that and for performing. So that's where I think Reagan kind of got the performance bug. That makes sense. And she would help him, you know, memorize his lines and help him, you know, get up on stage and do all the stuff. And she also, but she was also like a staunch Christian. Like she was really, really deep with the church and very selfless in terms of what she gave back to her community

and taking care of the poor and those that, you know, had less. And she, that was like her life's work. That was what she was passionate about. And so I think that sort of compassionate sense was passed on to Reagan too in terms of, you know, just trying to take care of the community. And I think he sort of carried some of that stuff with him in his leadership positions. Do you feel like more,

And I'm just curious on the actual personal level as a mom is do you feel like more of the impact was through his mother versus his father? Or do you feel like it was a combined effort? I think there is a combination, I think, with any family unit, the mother and the father are going to influence the children. And but I think the way that she framed her relationship with their father and the he was an alcoholic. And she never, she was sort of ahead of a time in that sense that she never judged him or blamed him. And she always taught the children to forgive him that it wasn't, it was a disease and it wasn't his fault. Oh, wow. And there was such a selflessness about how she presented that to them.

And, you know, and I think that really played into that compassionate part of his character. Wow. And, you know, and I think beyond that, Jack Reagan, he was, he had a, he had great wit and was a wonderful storyteller. And so Ronald Reagan picked up a lot of that from his dad. But I think this sort of the faith, like, I don't, I didn't know how much faith. really played into Reagan's story and his life. And she was a huge part of that. And I think especially when he was in office and, you know,

dealing with the Cold War and the country had been dealing with communism for a long time. And it was infiltrating the United States in so many different capacities. And obviously Reagan had dealt with it when he was president. of the union of SAG. And that became a lot of, I think, his motivation to become president was fighting back against Soviet communism. And that's my opinion. Right.

You know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's just so much, you know, to it and like everything he did and whatnot. And all I remember is like as a kid, you know, because I was in like a democratic household and whatever, I think what. Was he elected president? He was president from 80, he was it, was it 80 through 87?

Right. So I was born in 81. So you were born in the Reagan era as well. Right. Yeah. I remember being in elementary school and reaping the benefits of the Reagan era, like, dare. That was Nancy Reagan's thing. Oh, it was?

That was Nancy Reagan's thing. Oh, I think I still have a shirt. She was something too. Oh, yeah. She was something. Yeah. He was a powerful, powerhouse.

Tiny, mighty lady. Yes, she was. I love all the history stuff. Me too. You know, I just love getting into it. Yeah. Just honestly, re-learning a lot of stuff because of memory and whatnot. But yeah, I didn't, I did not realize that two stars.

Did you guys ever have to do, like, like nuclear drills? Like, we used to have to do that in school, too. That was also. Like if there was a, yeah. If there was a nuclear outbreak. I mean, so I just remember being terrified. Terrified. Terrified.

Of being nuked as a kid. Like, I just remember it being on the news all the time. It was very prevalent in the news. And, you know, so I think what's interesting now going back and doing the film and re-visiting that part of my childhood with the perspective as an adult about what was happening. It's so much more information. Yeah. I mean, it's really kind of mind-blowing, you know. And also how close we came.

Like, a lot of people don't know how close we really came. to nuclear annihilation, like pushing buttons and putting up in a coat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was just talking about this recently with my husband and he was like explaining it to my son. And I was like, this is. What?

Yeah. He's eight. He's eight. He's eight. Is he curious? He was so curious. He's so curious about everything. He's so curious and they go really, my husband gets very factual and just kind of blunt.

Yeah. And he's like, this is what happened. and he was taking him through all the wars we've had and how close we were to, and I was learning. I was like, wow, this is like a history course for me because I forgot so much. Yeah. But I grew up my entire life still in my mom's living room is a picture of her and Reagan because she was buddies with him. Oh, how funny. Oh, my God.

That picture. Yes. I've always wanted to reenact it. She's wearing this, like, beautiful red off the shoulder and he's got his white cowboy hat on. and it's been there my whole life. Wow. Her mom is a stunner. Yeah, they were buddies.

Like, she used to go and hang with those guys all the time, and she's like they were just well-natured, wonderful people. She also slept with Frank Sinatra. We should let the world know that. I mean, it's important information. Clearly. I mean, you know. Yeah.

That is important. So we're done here. Thank you for coming. That's cool. I don't know. But you remember growing up in a household like that too, right? 100%. And the interesting part about Reagan is I remember when I remember the energy when I was little, it didn't feel negative whatsoever at all. He offered hope. Yeah. It didn't feel. And I grew up in a Democratic house. Yeah. But she was hanging with these people. And really, it felt like we love our president. We love we have respect. for him. He's an honorable person. And I remember there was a shift when it became like in our home, like the Bush thing. It just felt like there was like these negative things that I started to see.

I don't know if it's because I was old enough at that point to have more information. But I do remember the Reagan moment in our lives felt like a hopeful, positive. It felt like a like Reagan represented, I think a piece of the book. party. It was like the end of an era of a certain type of politics in the country, you know. But I think what's also really interesting is he was raised Democrat and he switched parties. Yeah, that's right. I remember that. Which makes sense. Which makes sense. So it's like he, I feel like he had sort of a better, not better, but he knew both sides of the aisle in a way that offered bipartisanship. Right. Exactly. You know. Right. And I think being.

grounded in his faith sort of helped to bridge those gaps in some places too yeah it's like an actor being a director that exactly like he can kind of speak both languages yeah right you know right like he had an understanding of kind of both sides of it um which gave him a unique position as a leader did you ever think you'd know this much information about regan no and i think that's what's really interesting about being an actor too is there's so many things in throughout my career that i go i would have never learned about this. Like when I was doing the mentalist, I was like, I would have never learned how to like talk about ballistics or do like takedowns or how to arrest somebody. Do you know what I'm saying? It would have never went through my thought process of something,

hey, I should learn about this. But through the process of doing certain roles, it really avails the opportunity to see it from a different perspective and to have a greater appreciation of, I mean, for me, with the mentalist, like, being a police officer and serving your community and what comes along with that, like, it's a completely different perspective. Right. And I respect what they do so much more deeper than I did prior to doing that show. Yeah. But I think also, like, with Reagan, having an opportunity to see the background of his life

and how he was raised, it gave me a much greater perspective about. who he was as a person. And I would have, I mean, it's stuff that we would have never learned in high school. Right. Because they don't teach you at all. They don't teach you that stuff. No, they don't teach you. I mean, at least in our era growing up, there were so many things we weren't taught.

Well, it's very surface, right? Yeah. It's like this president and this is their legacy and it sort of goes through the motions. But it doesn't get really specific about what drove them to do what they did or to be the leaders that they were. Right. Because they don't do that in general in schools. going to say. They don't.

Have they shifted now? Because, you know, like Columbus, like all of the history stuff that was just, you know, one way of thinking and perceiving. That's what was taught to us in textbooks. But we weren't taught and haven't yet been taught in schools, at least for the most, I know they're trying to, you know, social and emotional learning. Yeah. But aside from that, they're not teaching us what motivates us, what our deepest needs are

and how we act out of behavior. Like, you don't learn that stuff as a child and going through school, so they're definitely not going to show you what someone else's deep needs, characters, emotions. They have the time to either. You know, it's such broad strokes when you're going through history. Mm-hmm. You know. I know.

Sometimes we're Statler and Waldorf. We're like little old buddies. We are. No, we are Sattler and Waldorf from the Muppets. That's us. Most the time. But I think, you know, there's only so much that the educational system can really teach. And it has time to teach.

And I think there's certain schools, you know, that do a better job at certain things. You know, there's all different kinds. Absolutely. Right now? And it just depends on what it is and where it is and who knows. But, you know, it's also our jobs as parents. To educate our kids in ways. Yeah.

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He wanted to be baptized when he was 12. So a lot of those. Yeah. Wow. It was very similar age when he was a child when we were, you know, filming the movie. And yeah, I mean, being a mom, obviously, having a boy the same similar age, you know, it helped to inform me to. about choices. Did it help you bring, but aside from informing you on the choices in the film,

did it help you and inform you in choices in your real life? Did you take some of those things? Absolutely. Yeah. You know, I think Nellie was, she always saw the good. And no matter what was off the rails or going wrong, she would always sort of reframe it as, well, if this bad thing didn't happen, then this other good thing wouldn't have happened.

You know, so her whole perspective was about always looking for the silver lining and the bright side of whatever circumstance you're in. And I feel like it was a really refreshing reminder. Yeah. You know, that things are going to go sideways sometimes. Right. Sometimes, yes. Sometimes more often than not.

Right. But when they do go sideways, you know, if we focus. on the negative outcomes or the negative aspects of it, I think we sometimes perpetuate and manifest more negativity, whereas if we can just sort of reframe and shift what we're looking at within the context of the circumstance and why it may be happening or how to sort of reframe out of it, it allows us to have a brighter perspective. And you feel you do that. It was a reminder for me. You know, I think playing her and reading about, you know, certain circumstances where that was her perspective. It put things into perspective

for me again. It was just a reminder. We all need reminders. You know, and I think, especially during that time period, because it was still sort of pandemic era that we were dealing with, it was, it was a nice piece of light that found its way back into my life. So you could take a little of her home with you. For sure. And how much you, how much of that do you, how much of that do you think was her faith? Like, almost all of it. Almost all of it. Do you relate to that? Do you have any sort of? I do. Yeah, I do. I mean, I'm Christian. I was raised Catholic and became born again when I was 13. So, I mean, I totally can speak that language. I get it. And, you know, like I said, it was a reminder of certain things that

I sort of lost perspective of. Yeah. So it was nice to be able to bring that along with. But she really, her upbringing was interesting. She was the youngest of seven and lost her mother when she was 17 and had sort of a tumultuous relationship with her father. And I think out of rebellion ended up marrying Jack. And then she was like, oh, I'm in it now. And then had the two kids. And then it was about trying to figure out how to keep everything together. You know, and I think where he sort of slacked off, she picked up where he didn't really meet her.

Yeah. I mean, she was a powerhouse in her own right, you know, and a really a bright light in her community, but also very stern. Like, she, you know, she was a different kind of woman. They were cut from a different cloth back then, too. For sure. I mean, what? No, I just, I love. that she was, I think that that is something that we all can take a look at in our own lives.

I think there's so many misconceptions of being a light, being loving, accepting, and then that makes you bend. Right. As opposed to, I believe, the more light you carry, the more sternness, you can admit, because you have to protect that. You have to, you have something that you're holding on. to that's valuable. Right. And I think that there is a lot of misconceptions of being kind and being firm. Like, those are two different things. Right. But they, they aren't necessarily separate from

each other either. Exactly. That's what I mean. I think they're very intrinsic. Yeah. With each other because. You can be, well, you can be right but wrong at the top of your voice. Ooh. Oh, I like that. Yeah. That's a new one. You know, and I think there's something that in that saying that also piggybacks on what you're saying, which is that, you know, you can still be stern with kindness. Yeah. You know. It takes back on.

Yeah, it does. But that so speaks to being a mother, like stern with kindness or boundaries with kindness or whatever word you want to use. Completely. Well, and like, you know, one of the scenes in the film where Reagan's being bullied and she locks them out of the house to face these. Oh, wow. perpetrators that have been bullying him and she sits there and watches them basically get beat up which you know it's it's a tough it's a really tough thing and I think as a mother like I had a hard time going gosh how do I how do I play this in a way that also stays true to her nature and her essence

wow you know because and and I get the lesson in it the lesson is the bully is always going to be there until you stand up to them. No, it's the most, I mean, it makes me emotional. We've talked about this on here. My kid just got, like, beat up. And what she's standing behind in that is so powerful. It's almost like sleep training, how people are like, if you go in and interrupt them, you're getting in the way of them finding their self-soothing, right?

So we as parents, a lot of times, want to get in there and fix it for them. Always. And she, it sounds to me, had enough faith in her child that was like, I believe in you. Yeah. You face this and this ends. If I go out there and say, stop, they're going to keep coming. Right. I saw something recently.

And, of course, my daughter is, you know, about to be 10. So I'm trying these things a little later. Yeah. But I saw something that, like, if your kid comes to you for help with something, anything, anything, you say, try three, then me. Oh, it loves that. I know. So it's like, have you heard this before? I have, yeah.

Jeff never does. Jeff makes you try. He makes me try everything. I know, I know. But it's, you know, and I'm trying to adopt it because it's giving them the confidence that they can. Oh, I can't figure this out on my own. Yeah. You know?

And like, if they go through the process. And that's the thing is like if you're doing too much for them, you almost cripple them. You do. You know, because they don't learn how to find their feet. Right. And find their own. backbone. Exactly. You know, a hundred percent. But I have the hardest time. You know, I'm always right there. Yeah. You know, and it's, it's disciplined for ourselves and like to do that. And it's, it's definitely a challenge.

It is. Well, but, you know, we're still human and we're still growing too. Right. And as they grow, we're growing. Right. And it's, you know, it balances itself out. It's you sort of reliving your own life through, you know, the eyes of your child too. And like, oh, I remember that time period of my life and how my perspective was on things and then you have the perspective of being a parent now. Yeah. And dealing with your children at that age. So it's, um, motherhood's a trip. Oh my God. It is. This morning like we were, you know, we were running late for school. And that's always my thing is I get so like, we're like, we have to get out of the door, you know, like that. Yeah, every morning. You know, and my daughter, like, who doesn't? You know, but then she talks to me about it. And it was like kind of this

beautiful thing where she was like, but mom, when you talk like that, you know, whatever. And I said, look, mommy needs to work. Like, I need to take a deep breath. Yeah. You're right. Right. And I need your help because you're an amazing first time listener. Right. So I just need your help in those moments because you're so good at it that you can show me, you can do it. And then we can help each other. And we can get out the door calmly. Yeah. And it won't be like chaotic. She was like, yeah, yeah, mom. You're right. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's like, every time these little moments happen with your children, you're like, When they start to collaborate with you. Yeah.

It's like, oh, they can breathe again. They're older. Like, yes, we can communicate. Okay. That wasn't a total disaster. But, you know, and I think you're, are you a single mom now currently? Okay. And that's a whole other thing.

Yes. Yeah. How is it going? Some days are better than others. Yes, with almost a 12 year old boy. Because also mine's a girl. Yeah. So I always wonder what that would be like.

It's different. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I think what's interesting for me, too, is I grew up in a household of all girls. There was one boy, and he was much older, so he was already out of the house by the time I was, you know, old enough to remember. And, you know, so I'm like, I don't know what to do with a boy. Right. Always. You know, like I find myself a little lost at times. It's a different frequency completely.

Completely. And I, you know, what I've really been trying to practice and learn is just grace. Just give yourself grace because nobody's perfect. Nope. And there is no perfect answer. And everybody's unique experience is their own unique experience. And, you know, there's no roadmap for this stuff. Right. You know, they don't come with a manual. No. You have to just sort of figure it out as you go. And when things are great and you're able to collaborate, you celebrate those. small moments and then the times that the wills are falling off the bus, you know, you find the learning in it and try to move forward and be better. Yeah, the way I look at it too is like I think that no matter what, and this is just a personal belief, is like we all come in kind of with our own curriculum, if you will. So no matter what your parent is doing, it's going to land on the kid and they're going to have to have their lessons because of it. And so you could be like, I'm the best parent. I am the most, you know, incredible communicator. I give space for their voice. And then they'll be in therapy one day, like, she overindulged my feelings. Right. You can't win. You know what I'm

saying? It's like, whatever it is, they came here to learn, we're going to help them learn it by our actions. Yeah. And then by facilitating it, hopefully, but there's no right or wrong job if you are acting from kindness and, you know, there's some shitting. ways of being. Absolutely. But if you're leading with love and you're doing your best to lead with love, yeah, I think it all sort of comes out and wash the way it should. Yeah. And the way it's meant to. Yeah. Completely. I think that, I mean, I always, in anything in life, and that's been ingrained, is like leading with love. And my daughter started in a new school. My mom is a big advocate of that. And like, that's just how she rolls. And I guess there was a teacher in humanities. And they were like,

we lead with love. And my daughter, like, called her grandma to tell her, like, Guess what, Mom? This is that kind so cute. That was probably a sign for her that day. Yeah. It probably made her feel like, oh, I'm in the right place. I'm in the right place. That's really cool.

I know. She just started a new school. So is it, how is she adjusting? Is this her first year there? Yes. Okay. It's her first year there. And it's going great.

Great. Because, you know, it was hard for her to leap. She loved her school. And it was a decision that I really felt like was the right decision. Yeah. And I said to her, I think yesterday I was like, now do you understand. why mommy felt like this was the right decision and she goes, yeah, mom, two thumbs up.

Good. You know? That's good. When we get those rewards of like, I know. You did the right thing. Yeah. I know. When it finally comes to fruition and you can see.

Yes. But it can be really nerve-wracking. And I think I know adjusting to different schools was really tough for me. So I always get paranoid. Yeah. Did you change schools a lot? You know, we moved. when I was, I think it was fourth grade. And that was a huge adjustment for me. And my son ended up

starting a new school when he was in fourth grade. So when he was feeling that transition, I just, it was like all that stuff kind of came back for me. And, you know, and I think it's also finding that fine line of not projecting your own fears onto your kids and kind of letting them just have their experience and supporting them where they need it. Yeah. You know, and I think that's a, that was a big one. It was just sort of like taking my foot off the gas and just let him find his feet. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And I do think that there are positive ways we can brainwash. Like, I do. Like what you were saying to Briar, like, you are such a good first time listener. Yeah. That feels good to be recognized for something that you do. Like, so when my kids switch schools,

I'm always like, you are the most adaptable person I know. Yeah. Like, what do you feel like when you go? You're so adaptable. Yeah. And it's like now he kind of owns that. Yeah. He's like, I'm adaptable.

Yeah, but then she doesn't love it. I want to move every year and switch school. I'm adaptable. But, you know, I wanted to tell you there's something really, as an actress and as a person sitting here right now, there's something so unique about you where you do feel completely timeless. Oh, thank you. Which is so amazing. Like you don't feel of this time. Like I could, I'm like, I totally understand why you would be cast in everything you've been cast in and I can see it

going so much further because there's something about you that feels like, it's like a, do you know, I always feel like I was born in the wrong era. Really? A little bit. You might, you know what? I'm here to confirm it. You work. No, you just feel like you could be placed in different eras. You could be placed anywhere and it still feels totally authentic. And I wonder if that's because of your upbringing. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. I mean, it's funny because I grew up in a really small town.

Okay. On the outskirts of Las Vegas. And we had one movie theater that played one movie a week. There was one. a one grocery store, but we had to leave, we had to either go to St. George or Las Vegas to get clothes, like school clothes, school supplies, any of that kind of stuff. So it was like, I feel like being a kid in that kind of environment, TV wasn't a thing for us. Like my mom was like, no, like would kick me outside and go figure out something to do. You can't sit and watch TV all day long.

Right. You know, so I think that also availed me the opportunity to really use my imagination. So I think that built sort of a foundation for me with acting and being able to just let my mind go places. But it's more than that, too. It's about, like, look, there is a tethering of the identity that happens based on environment, right? And so we tethered to, what, Nickelodeon or whatever. or MTV, you know, that kind of stuff. Whereas you were kicking sticks around and using your imagination, there's something that's very untethered about you in that sense. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, my path has been really unconventional, you know. Yeah. I mean, I left home at 14 to model. Like, I've been on my own for, you know, I was at a young age. So 14, you went on your own. Yeah. I mean, I would come back to my parents' house and, you know, stay for stretches.

but for the most part. And then I left home for good at 18. How does that happen at 14? I had met a series of people, photographers and manager, and I really wanted to try my hand in modeling. And I wasn't quite tall enough for the European markets. But I was sellable in the Japanese and, Korean markets. And so the people that I had gotten connected with ended up putting me in a

contract and I would go back and forth between Japan and... At 14. By yourself. With no parent. Did you have a strong relationship with your parents? I did. I did. And I think what's kind of funny is because I come from such a big family, I feel like my parents were sort of like, well, we screwed up the rest of them. How bad. could it be, you know? And so they were, I think by the time they got to me, there were a little bit more lax about the kind of decisions. And it was also, it was an opportunity. And I think they recognized that it was an opportunity for me. It was, it was sort of my ticket out. And the education that I got was, like I said, I had a very unconventional path. But I learned life skills. I learned

street smarts. Oh yeah. Not book smarts as much. Nothing is going to make you grow up faster. Absolutely. And so all that, you know, really, I think it really played into the foundation of, you know, beginning the career that I decided to pursue when I came to L.A. But, I mean, it was a pretty big learning curve, but they trusted me, too. You know, I mean, I had a strong enough relationship with my parents that they trusted me. And my dad had a really hard time with it. But my mom was, you know, he just didn't want to. say goodbye. Aw.

But, you know, I think in the end, he recognized, you know, what it was, what it led to eventually. Right. You know. Wow. Thinking of like letting your 14-year-old. I know. I think about that because, you know, not that far off. You're not that far off.

You're not that far up. You know, a few years away. And I'm thinking, and then I'm also thinking, I don't know how he's going to start driving a car. Terrifying. You know. No. Four years from now.

Like, it just, it doesn't. No. You know, but it's, like I say, it's so much different. Like, we were raised different, and the times were different. I think technology and the infiltration of devices, you know, that kind of street smarts, I think, sometimes gets lost because you get stuck in a different kind of reality than the one that you're grounded in. So it's just different times, you know? It's a different way. And I think, you know, in the 90s, things were.

still somewhat safe and it was for what I was doing and the environment that I was going to was it was safe. Japan was safe. I don't know that if I had gone to Europe, it would have been quite the same, you know. Yeah. I had a good support system with the agency that was there in Japan and they sort of, that was their thing. They, you know, they had a lot of girls from all over the world and that was also neat too is I got to meet people from all over the place. Are you still friends with anyone that you meant then? You know, I just lost touch over the years, you know. There were a couple people that I stayed in touch with for, you know, a good probably like

10 years, but by the time I was in my early 20s and started to get on with my life, we just sort of drifted. Didn't you have, no, I don't know if this is who you wound up marrying, but you were in a serious relationship when you were on. Yes. O.C. Yes. So we got married and that's who my son.

That is. Okay. Because yeah, because you were in a very like committed relationship at the time. Yeah. When you were young and I wasn't sure if that was. Yes, I was. Yeah, I got. He was older, right?

Yeah, and I got married young. I was 24. It's young. Very young. Especially in Los Angeles. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But, um, Yeah, we, you know, had a beautiful child and I have that to be grateful for. Right. Yeah. And it was a long relationship. It was a long relationship. Yeah, we were together for 16 years. Wow. That's a lot. Wow. And you were so young in that chunk of time.

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, you know, it's, you change a lot. Yeah. In that period, it's fine. You know, in your 20s. The most. And then I think after I had my son. That was the most drastic shift for me. How old were you going to have had him?

I had him when I was 29. 29. Yeah. So, yeah. What was that shift for you? My value. That's beautiful, yeah. You know, it really put my value in a perspective that it hadn't been prior to having a child

and what I was going to teach him. Wow. You know, I mean, there's a lot of other things. It's complicated, you know, but I think at the core that was probably the biggest sort of wake-up call that I had. Wow. How I see myself. Wow. And I don't know that I would have had that if I hadn't had my child.

Yeah. I know, I mean, for sure. You know? Yeah. Well, I also think that in a way it gives you a, I do. different purpose where, you know, your purpose had been yourself before. Right. And so those choices only affect you and you alone.

And then I think the value thing, like you touched on value, you don't need what you used to need before. That's right. Because you have something that you care, I mean, more. Yeah, I mean, I would die 100,000 times for this. Every day. child. I mean, it's, you know, he's my life. And, yeah, I mean, it really, it realigns purpose. It's what it did for me, you know, and what my purpose was. And it was no longer sort of just chasing the hustle, you know, and trying to find the next gig. And it was now about this other

human that needed guidance and someone to look up to and like what does that look like you know what does that look like so yeah just it shifted my perspective and and I think it also magnified some of the the relational issues yeah that were happening prior to his birth right you know right but how is it to navigate the working aspect it's hard. Like I don't, there's no two ways around it. And I don't think I've really figured out how to do it really well. Yeah.

Yeah, it's hard. It's really hard. And it, it just comes day to day, really. I think I had to kind of take my foot off the gas a little bit, too, with just the career stuff and hustling so much. You know, because this idea that we can have at all, like it's really nice in theory. Yeah. But something is going to, something's got to give. Right.

And my values were more aligned with wanting to be there to see his first steps, wanting to be there for his first words, wanting to be there to take him to his first day of school. Right. You know, so trying to balance that against work, you know, and finding, I think finding good help too. Like I don't have family out here. So everything is, you know, I have to hire help or reach out to friends. And it's also not easy for me to ask for help. So finding that balance was it used to give me a lot of anxiety when he was a baby. And then I think once.

he started at elementary school, I was like, you know, look, I'm not going to have this again. Right. So I might as well just settle in and accept and embrace motherhood and just dive in and be there as much as I can. And then if work comes up, then I figured out as it comes. Right, right. Right. But I really, I want to be there for these fleeting moments that I'll never get back. I know. And what does I feel like to want both? Like, where do you, I always say God doesn't give with two hands. There's always like something being withheld and something given and we kind of always get to make that choice. Yeah. Right?

But it can be really frustrating too. Yeah. It can be really frustrating. And I think part of the process of it has, for me, has been realigning with my instincts. Really? Really listening to that initial gut instinct. Right. because 98% of the time, that's right. And when I start to try to go against it and do what I think I want, that doesn't align with my instinct, it's like suddenly the universe is like throwing things at me for why this is not going the way that I want it to go. So I've really tried to step back in line with that and listen to those instincts more closely.

and honor them. Is there something you do to tune in with it? I was just listening this morning. I listened to, what's her name? Esther Hicks. And someone asked the question, I hear you say all the time to listen to your intuition, to let your intuition guide you.

I don't hear it. That's what the person said. They're like, how do you hear it? And I was like, that's such an important. thing is like what do you do personally to hear those intuitive hits? I try to get my crap out of the way. Like I really, I practice meditation and prayer and I just try to quiet the noise. I try to quiet the chatter because we all have that sort of baseline chatter that's driving what direction we're going to go or what choices we're going to make. And I want to make my choices from

my heart, not my head. So I just, I try to get that kind of emotional, overwhelmed garbage out of the way and just try to quiet my systems down enough that I can hear. And, you know, listen, sometimes I could be totally off or wrong about it, but it's a, it's like a, it's a feeling. I don't know how to explain it other than it's just, it's a feeling that of peace. When I focus on that thing that I think is my gut instinct that I think is right, if I have a sense of peace that washes over me, I know I need to listen to that. If I feel anxiety and I start to feel really amped up or like emotional in a way that feels slightly off, I'm like, I'm not quite in alignment with where I need to be.

And this is not matching up with my piece. So I think that's how I've been able to discern it better. That was her answer. Oh, really? Legitimately. Seriously? Yeah, 100%. Wow.

That was it. And that's like what I say all the time is that your intuition will never speak through fear's voice. You got it. It feels clear. It's clarity, right? Where your instincts actually are there to keep you alive. Right. And make you think a bear is coming to eat you.

So it might have you run when there's no bear. Right. Right. And so that's the animal body, the fear, the fight, the flight. But the intuition is going to be peaceful. And she kept saying it's the quieting of the mind. It's the meditation. It's being in prayer.

It's being in connection. It's that still small voice. Right. You know, it's connecting to that still small voice. And it's, it can't be heard with all that noise because it's, it's small. It's, you know, it's like, it's in those really quiet moments that, you know, I think you can most easily connect to it. It's also not something you can really force either. No.

You know. But you can show up for it. You can show up for it. Like, you had actionable things that you do to show up. you clear away the junk. Yeah. All the excess. Yeah.

Doing the prayer, meditation, whatever it is to get you quiet. That's a tool to get you access. What if people can't like meditate, right? Like they have trouble with it. It's a practice. It's a practice. And I'll tell you like I fail at it a lot. Something I've been doing the last six months are cold showers.

I have a lot of anxiety. And it really helps to quiet that down. Oh, wow. When I am really flooded with anxiety and I'm, I feel like I'm out of my mind and I can't get it to just shut up a cold shower for at least two minutes to try to just shock the system and get it back into an alignment. It's been really helpful. Wow. I love that. There you do, too.

Yeah. It's hard. Yeah, I'm like, it sounds horrendous. Like initially I had to set timers. I was like, let me just do it. 10 seconds. Okay. And the next time I'm going to do 20 seconds. And like I had to, it took me some time to build it to that two minute mark. I'm, I'm so blown away by people that can do the cold plunges for like 10 minutes. Oh my God. Ten minutes. That's crazy. I did two minutes and I thought I was a superhero. Right?

Yeah. And you're like flying. You're like, oh, wow. Have you done cryotherapy? They have cryotherapy at my husband's work. Have you ever done that? I haven't. I've heard about it. And I've had friends that. did I? You get frosts all over your eyebrows and eyelashes. I like my least favorite thing in life is being cold. But here's the thing is that when you're done, you know that feeling when you're a kid and you jump in the freezing cold ocean and you have the best day and then you sit down

and your body's just like at peace and feels present. That's what it's at. There's a clarity that kind of comes with it. I don't know what it is. I don't know how the body interacts with the cold that way. But for whatever reason, it's been beneficial for me. And just in terms of turning off the overwhelm. Like, it just helps quiet a lot of that stuff.

It kind of, I guess, shocks the system. Right. Back into a line. No, I know. I know a lot of people that swear by it or a cold shower first thing you wake up in the morning. I just, I really hate being cold. I mean, most people do.

Most people do. I mean, I got desperate. It's a discipline. Like, the only reason I got to it is because I was desperate. You had to do something. I was like, something has got to shift. Right. I can't function like this anymore.

I know. What do I do? Wow. And, you know, the first few days that I did it, I was like, this doesn't work. You know, whatever. And it was like, you know, but I stuck with it and it, it does. Like, I do notice a difference, you know, and I do now find myself going, oh, okay, I think I just need to. shock the sister. Like I need I need to get out of this overthinking space. Do you think there's

something in there that's like if you do the things you resist, right? Like the meditation, let's say, like if you were to do it, is the value also in doing things you resist? I think so. But it's, but it's the journey of life too, right? It's not about the destination. It's about the journey and being able to find moments within each day that build the greater picture of your life. Right. Right. So I think with meditation or prayer or any of these kind of practices, things that we resist, there's something, I think, to be learned in that resistance.

And if we can face the resistance, there's, you know, your victory is just on the other side of it. Right. Yeah. No, I fully believe it. I mean, I feel like I do push myself to do things I don't want to do. You're looking at me like I'm accusing you of not. Do you feel it? She is.

Yeah. She's fully accusing me right now. So what we're going to do is we're going to take our phone and we're going to film you jumping in the pool right now. I'm just kidding. It's like 112 degrees outside. Not exactly the day to be like, this is going to be hard. But no, I know. I hear you.

I just always like, I remember like even like shooting or whatever. Let's say you're filming and it's freezing outside. You have to be in. That's the, the O.C. You're in a bikini on the beach and it's the fucking freezing. And everybody else, like on the crew. and everything, they're in their down. Yeah, they're down jackets and their bunnies and their ugs.

That's different, though. I think that's different than doing a cold plunge. Okay, because you're having to try to survive the cold for, like, the next 10 hours in a bikini while it's 30 degrees outside. I'm like, that's my version of a cold plunge. Called naked and afraid. Making and afraid. But I would always be so envious.

I'm like, man, if I was just like, I want to do whatever it is, just so I can wear a down jacket and not be the, I'm like a police officer, so you're all geared up. Oh, I didn't think of that. I just thought about being behind the camera. Oh. Not like a role that would be like you have to be in a full snowsuit. You could play.

I know. You're trying to, yeah. Yeah, she's trying to cast the part. I'm trying to cast apart. Mm-hmm. Anyway, that's my experience. It's also not that fun to be really hot either, though. No.

No, but I would prefer to be hot than cold. So would you prefer a heat lodge? Have you ever done a sweat lodge? I have not. No, I don't know. It's hot. You've done the sweat lodge? Yeah. When? Multiple. Interesting. Do you cold plunge after the sweat lodge? I've cold plunge and sweat lodge in, what's going to call it? What? Arizona. Huh. Interesting.

Yeah, the heat and me don't get along. It's the same as the cold. It's the same as the cold. though. Right. It's a, yeah, it's a mind space. It's the same as the cold plunge in the sense where it's like you know you're embracing something that you're going to get something from. Yeah. So you're just like, oh, let it burn kind of feeling. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I can handle it better, I guess. I don't know. The heat. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Well, we're going to put these things. She's going to make me sit outside today. in a sweatshirt in the 110-degree weather. No. You might get heat stroke. Like, that's not okay. That's not really helpful.

That's not really trying to like deal with the racist. My intuition is not going to come to the forefront when I'm dying. They're like, what are you doing? I'm like, we're getting to her intuition. Right. Why is she and all those clothes? Don't ask questions. It's like Joey when he wears all the layers of friends.

Oh, God, everything goes back to a friend's reference. Okay. But you're good at that. You're good at knowing the difference. Friends referencing? Yes. You're good at the friends trivia. You're good at differentiating when you get clear hits?

Yeah, mostly. The hits, I'm saying. Yes, the hits. I get real strong ones. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. But then there's a lot that are just like kind of in the middle that's just parlay there for a while.

What do we call that again? Huh? Henry or something. Oh, Henri? Henri. Henri. I have a hamster in my brain named Henri. that just goes on the hamster wheel nonstop.

Okay. Is this sort of like an ADHD scroll? That's what she would call it. Okay. That's what it is. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't have ADHD. Okay. I don't mean that an derogatory way. Oh, no. I didn't take it in a drug. Oh, no. She's just always telling me that I do and I don't think that I actually do. I have other issues.

Right. For sure. Yeah. But you squirrel. I definitely. You hamster wheel. 100%. Yeah.

everybody does though in their own way I think so yeah you have a hamster I know I have a hamster you've quieted it I try really hard to quiet it actively really try but he wants to play sometimes

sure does right so you gotta bring him out and play and then put him back in his cage exactly yeah I'm currently reading this book series with my daughter and it's about a hamster that's a sign

I know Humphrey can I rename mine Humphrey but he's Henri isn't he? Why is he French who named him I don't know. I think that's my point. I want to name him. He's yours. You name him whatever you want. Okay, sorry. Anyway, we're reading this hamster book. And it actually almost brought it up earlier because you were saying like when you talk to kids and you're like reframing it or whatever and or you're really good at this. And in the book, they were just talking about reverse psychology. Like a babysitter used it on the kids. And then I'm reading it to my daughter and I'm like, oh shit, she's going to know when I'm doing reverse psychology.

I've been outed. She's going to be totally hip. That is hilarious. I know. I was like, I know your tricks. Yeah, she's like, you can't play this on me. Is this reverse psychology? Yeah, she's going to know it soon.

No, I was like, damn it, Humphrey. Oh. All right. Sorry. I've just gone way. No, I like it. Way off. Way off over here.

This is how we calm our anxiety. Well, listen, it's whatever works. We do whatever works. I think laughter does work. Absolutely. Laughter is the best medicine. I know. That saying doesn't exist for no reason.

I know. No, it's the best. It's true. I know. It's so true. That's what we did. You guys, we just really hit the nail on the head. Should we do some cards?

Yes, we should. We didn't go through these yet. We didn't go through this. We don't know what's going to come out. Okay. Some are inappropriate. Some are mild. Some are lame.

Oh, God. Okay. We'll go easy on you I think Let's go easy on her Who's your male celebrity crush? Oh Who?

Or when you were A kid or anything James McAvoy Awesome I really like him I like it I like it What's the most generous thing

someone has done for you God, there's so many people that do generous things for me. How do I narrow it down? My fella recently winded and dined me and did like a fancy room in New York when I was there for press, which was very sweet. Like he took care of all the stuff, which was really very sweet. I like that. I like that. That's cute.

Aw. I like that too. Favorite junk food? Chocolate. Chocolate. Is it like a specific? Like Reese's pieces. Yeah, we want to get.

Pieces or Reese's peanut butter cups? The peanut butter cups. Okay, yeah. That feels right. I mean, they're both, but I'll go for the peanut butter cups. Yep. Over the pieces. Okay.

What's the first quality you look for in a partner? Compassion. Aw. Hmm. But what if he's not funny? Oh. But he's really compassion. it.

Then we have a problem. Yeah. But if I went after the funny one, then I don't know. Without compassion? Like, I might have a psychopath. Totally. Right. Yeah.

Totally. Who's your lookalike? Oh, that's a good question. I don't know. Have you ever been like, you know, or is it you? Right. Well, I think when I was younger, I used to get Julia Robert.

and then I think I got I used to get Milozovich a little bit that's interesting yeah oh got it my brain is like on a two-second delay you were thinking he like the hamster came I no I went me to Suvari in my head and that is not even the name right but that's like the face that popped up and I was like oh yeah oh my god this is so funny because Because this is just exactly like what we said, kind of. Would you rather spend your life with someone who supports you emotionally or someone who makes you laugh your ass off? Supports me emotionally. This is a very healthy choice for you.

I'm trying. I'm trying to be a healthier individual. What a great example. Some of these are so outrageous that we're going to spare you. Yeah, we're sparing you. Thank God. I mean, because you would not. You would not want to hear them.

What can you say at the dinner table that you can also say in bed? We said we'd spare you. That's so mild. That's so mild. I don't know. Oh, my God, see? I know. You are of a different era.

Did I just go beat red? Probably. You just are at 1920s, so you just about to. You were like, my word. My fella's going to watch. All I can think about is take your elbows off the table, but that's not it. Maybe it is. Maybe it is.

Watch your elbow. Watch your elbow. No, watch your elbow. Mind your elbows. You do kind of look like you could play Blake Lifeley's sister, though. Oh, interesting. No one's ever said that? Uh-uh.

Okay. Don't you see like they look like they would be from the same parents? Who would play you in a movie? Blake lively. Play lively. There you go. She's younger than me so she can pull it off. Oh my God.

No, I'm not going to do these to you. I know. We have to be very mild with you. I know. I'm not bringing the raunchy, apparently. Oh, you have no idea some of these questions. Yeah, no. Like, I wouldn't, I would never do that to you.

Not doing it to you. We have respect for you in your life. Is there a role that? you really wanted but didn't get. Is there something like, yeah? You know, um, true blood. I was really into that project. And were you close to getting it? I, yeah. I mean, I, I, I don't know how close I was, but I was in the mix, I think. I mean, I went in a couple times. Um, but yeah, I really, like, I loved the, uh, the books and Alan Balls amazing, so. So good. Yeah. Oh, we were in something together. Were we? Yeah. What was it?

again? The Romy and Michelle movie. Oh my gosh. Are you serious? Yes. That's so funny. I think you were nice girl and I was mean girl. Were you really? I think like that was probably yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. Isn't that funny? Yeah. I think I had like one line. As did I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How funny. I know. She told me that and I was like, oh, yeah. I did because I was like, oh, you were in that. That was, um, I think that was like the first. The first. sort of gig that I got when I came to L.A. And because I had gotten a Taft-Hartley from doing an America's most wanted episode.

Oh, my God, that's amazing. That's amazing. I love it. I was like, I'm going to screen five lines so I can get my Taft-Hartley. And so when I, yeah, so that was like one of the first things that came about after I met to L.A. That is so funny. Wasn't it a cool director?

I'm trying to remember. I'm sure you can look at it. I was, yeah, I mean, gosh. And I was there for half a day. Same. You know, it was just, and the day, I think it was like the graduation scene. That's where I was.

Oh, my God. So we must have been there the same day. This is really bizarre. It was me and this girl Tamara and we were like making fun of the two girls. Okay. And then someone did like a valid, Torian speech.

Right. Okay. So it was. It was the same day. You guys were there at the same day. That's really bizarre. Yeah. But I remember it being a little bit chaotic because of the graduation.

So there was, because there was tons of extras. Tons. But I don't. Oh my God. That's weird, you guys. I don't have, I don't remember having a lot of interaction with the director. I mean, there was interaction, but I don't know. I just remember I thought it was really cool because she was, I want to say she directed.

I'll look it up at some point, but I want to say she directed something really. like iconic and I was like flattered. Yeah, I don't remember. Do you want me to look it up? Yeah, who wasn't? Okay, what Smurf would you be? Who directed the Romie and Michelle TV movie? What Smurf would I be?

The one with the blonde hair, what's her name? David Merkin. Sorry. Was Miris Sorvina? Yeah, it's done. No, no, no, no. Different movie then. No, high school reunion.

Oh, it's different? I did the one with Catherine Hegel. Oh, right. Yeah, no. Wait, is yours different? Maybe. That's so weird because we did the same scene in two different movies. No.

I don't know. I can't find it. They were starting because like it was. It was, okay, it was early 2000s. Was it Catherine Tybal? I don't know. And the girl from the movie, the TV show that's like Harda Dixie. Huh?

No, I thought, but I thought Romaine Moucho was, it was the first one with from friends Lisa Kudrow and Mirrens Yes Oh different one Wait, Romi and Michelle Mine was in the beginning

Romine and Michelle in the beginning Okay, I think mine was behind the velvet rope Was that a sequel? I don't know 2005 was in the beginning Okay Behind the Velvet Rope Which makes sense because it would have been

That would have been so weird. That's so weird that we both did a graduation. Catherine Hegel. Wait. Romeo and Michelle in the beginning is a TV film. Catherine Hegel and Alexandra Breckenridge? Yes. Okay. So is it the same one?

I don't know. This is 2005 that it came up. I feel like that it's later than when I, because I moved. Does that look familiar, that poster? No. Okay. I don't know. I moved to L.A. in 2001.

The working title. was Romeo and Michelle behind the velvet rope, but the actual title was Romie and Michelle in the beginning. So maybe it is the same movie. I think it is. It has to be. It's got to be. I think it is. And you guys, I know, that would only make sense, right? Yeah. Gosh, guys. But it was, I mean, you're really testing my memory. It was a long time. We really went down there. Yeah. We went behind the velvet rope. And I'm going to tell you stories from behind the velvet rope once we cut. I was, I don't know, should I ask one more question? Well, we didn't really finish the smurf?

You said you'd be smurfette. Yeah, the smurfette. Okay. The blonde. That's the only girl. It's the only girl. It's either that or pop a smurf, okay? Yeah.

I think the question is more because they each have a characteristics. Like there's Christmas Smurf, there's anxious smurf, there's nerdy. You know what I mean? I would probably be a combo of nerdy and nerdy. anxious smirk. A collab. I like it. It's the collaborative stuff.

Okay. Last question is, if you could live in a movie, which would it be? Romney and Michelle in the beginning. At the graduation. Oh, if I could live in a movie, what would it be? Oh. Elizabeth? Oh.

Oh. Yes. It's her resting. I see that. I see that for you. I do too. Hmm. It's a totally different time.

Very different. Very. Yeah, I like it. I do too. I think we would do Romeo and Michelle. 100%. I'm inventing Post-its. I'm going to Tucson.

Oh, my gosh. Every cloud. You know? We really covered so many. many things. Yeah. Thank you for being along for the journey. Yeah.

Thanks for having me, you guys. So excited about the film. I can't wait to see it. I know. I can't wait to see it. I'm so fascinated. And what a cool thing. And you just always impress me so much.

And I'm just happy that I've, you know, been able to watch you over the years and know you all these years and everything. And it's just so nice to see you. I appreciate that. Thanks. Thank you. Olivia's on one, you guys. One, one.

So are you. So are you? Me? It's contagious. Yeah. She's so happy and so tan. And she's so sleepy. I am so sleepy.

But this isn't normal. Nothing's changed since I saw you yesterday. I just am showing my legs. You never see my legs. She's just not wearing much, so you see a lot more of her tan. Yeah. You just normally see me in pants. I do always see you in pants.

Or a dress. like you don't see me in short shorts. Yeah, I'm wearing shorts for you today too. And Rob is in shorts, which is the most odd thing. Rob never wears shorts, like once a year. And they're Viori as well. Yeah, we're in matching shorts. You guys are matching black short, black short shorts.

From the same company. Yeah, we should be sponsored by them. She just did a sip take. Yes, seeing you both in shorts at the same time, is blowing my mind a little bit. How often do you wear shorts? Not often at all. I don't ever wear shorts.

I'm not a big shorts fan person. You never wear shorts, Rob. Yep. I don't know. You don't want your legs touching things? Oh, I never thought about that. But now that you bring it up, because I'll think about that.

I'll be like, do I want my legs touching the leg? I don't understand people who wear shorts on planes. No, me neither. That I do not understand. Are you licking your legs? It doesn't really matter. No, but like... But it's like the leg on the thing.

The leg on the thing with everybody, so many other legs on the thing. And it just kind of makes me feel a little weird. Yeah. Just like when you have to take your shoes off, when you're going through security, okay? A lot of people don't have socks on. Yeah, it sucks.

Yeah, it's gross. And I'm like, I do a little, a little shudder. Sometimes I will bring extra socks. because I take my shoes off and I have to walk in the socks, but now those are very dirty socks. So you got to change them? Sometimes I have an extra pair.

I usually don't go that far. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't know that that's a real concern you should have about germs. It's not germs. It's just like, it's not germs. Do you like accidentally step in a puddle? I am not, like if things fall on the floor, I'll fucking eat it. Like that's not a germ thing.

No, not an airport. It depends what it is. It depends on the floor. It depends on the floor. No, no, I'm just saying I'm not weird about that kind of stuff. Just everything else. So then what is it? Because it's not dirt either.

It's not dirt. And it's not germs. It's germs. It's germs if it's like touching surfaces that a lot of people touch. That's germs. But it's your sock that's going to go in your shoe. It's just because people like funky feet. Like funky fungus feet.

Those germs aren't penetrating your sock onto your. They're not going to go through your fabric. It's just the idea in my brain of the funky fungus feet I am now walking behind. Make sense? It's exterior. How do you guys feel about the 3D arms up scanner? So good. Love it.

So good about it. Because I used to always opt out and get the pat down because I was like, what is this machine? Because you like to be touched. Like, what is it? I'm also the person that will not do Bluetooth, like, earphones. or headphones or anything like that, I need a wire. I'm usually like that. I've started being a little bit okay with Bluetooth.

Not okay with Bluetooth. There's radiation that you get just from flying, too. Of course, I know that. But I can't control that, can I? So, I can control putting Bluetooth near my brain. And not wearing shorts. Your precious brain. I wore shorts the other day.

You did? What kind? I'm seeing shorts, but like long. Yeah. Like Levi. Jorts. I wear jorts. They were like a long old Levi's cut off. Yeah, me too.

Yeah. That's fine. I have like, there's certain heights I have a harder time going to. It has to be short or long. Yeah. Yeah. Can't be in between. You follow?

I'm following. That doesn't really make sense. Can we talk about more airportisms? Sure. I love it. airportism. Do you wait to eat until you get to the airport or do you eat before you go? What do you mean? Great question, right? Depends on if there's time. Yeah, what time is your flight? It doesn't matter. No, that's a big

detail. So I always get the same concession snacks. What are they? What are they? See? I got a water. Yeah. Get a large smart water usually. Okay, okay. And then some pretzels. And what? Just plain pretzels. Some pretzels. Pr pretzels and water. Yep. That is your sweet. That's it? That's it. Okay. I'm a nervous flyer.

You're a nervous flyer? Did we know this? Yeah. Yeah. A lot of talk about that. Very much. No, and thank. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, it's coming back to me. Sure. Pretzels water. So I normally have like somewhat of an upset stomach if I'm flying. Oh, you need to. Do you get ginger ale? I'll get a ginger ale on the flight. Yeah.

Ginger ale is recommended on flight. You get on the flight. That's what you get. Do you ever think about this? when you get your drink. You guys, I'm really letting my crazy fly right now. You're a freak fly, literally.

Yeah. Yeah. They give you the cup, right? They pour it in. It's open. It's exposed. Does it ever cross your mind? No.

What the fuck is floating around here? My drink is exposed as I'm drinking it. Think about it, though. What? What? Think about it. I'm just asking this question. I'm not saying it's true.

But your mouth is there too. No, but Rob, just it's exposed your liquid that you're consuming and it's just exposed to all the extremities on the airplane. But so does your mouth. But

do you understand? Your mouth isn't like wide open. No. Just like. You're breathing. Like if you're concerned about your Why do you have to be such a contrarian? Can you let me get my point across?

All right. I have so I think about it. And I'm not crazy like crazy than I'm like whatever. But I have on occasion taken my little napkin under my drink and put it on top to keep it covered. Okay. Think about it. People are sneezing.

People are coughing. Yeah, that's gross. But you're going to breathe that same... Not like the people on the plane with their sneezing and coughing and all of that stuff makes sense. People don't like not fly if they're sick a lot of the time. Like they'll have to get to where they're going. Yeah. So you are exposed to that.

And you know, I think there should be a common courtesy. We know COVID is whatever it is. But like even if you just have a cold or a flu or the runs, like, Put a mask on. The runs? What's the mask going to do for the runs? Well, if it's a,

oh, like a stomach bag, you're saying? Oh. I don't mean, put a mask on your ass. Yeah. No. I just mean like,

don't you think? Sure. Yeah, yeah. Would you do that? Yes. I believe you would. And I know you would. I've still.

You're like, give me a reason and put a mask on. Give me a fucking, give me a reason to wear ten masks. Well, we're masks on flights. Now, I contemplated it last week.

Yeah, I haven't flown in a little while. We wore them like pretty far after COVID. Just more of like there's too many people around. I mean, the truth of the matter is the air they're filtering on the airplane is really like working hard to filter. You know, so you should feel okay. But I did, I had to go to New York for like a day. And I thought, am I going to wear a mask on the plate? But I didn't want to wear any of it.

Yeah. I've had the thought and then I just. Yeah. And then you just don't. You know. But do you know what? I've had to experience on planes. What?

Why'd a few times? What? They will go on the intercom and say, is there a doctor? Oh. And Jeff's had to. Yes. Always raises his hand. Go, we get free snacks.

And then they give us all. They usually think we drink, so they'll give us like a bottle of wine or champagne or snacks. And we give it to someone around us. But he's had to like go sit with people. There was someone that was like too wasted. there was someone they thought was having a heart attack, like all these crazy things.

And then he has to go physically examine them, and I get really creeped up. Oh, I thought you were just saying they ask that when you guys, like, they ask people's professions when you're on flights a lot. I was like, that's a weird thing that happened multiple times to you.

And when it happens, he goes, because he can't not say yes. Can he wait? Can he wait? Like a little bit? To see if someone else raises their hands? Oh, he'll pause. And there's been times where there's been two

And he'll be like And they're like, I got it And he'll be like, I'm here if you need And then they'll tap him in and tap out There's people that have swapped Really? Yes How many times does this happen?

Almost every flight It's like almost every flight Seriously? I don't think I've ever been on a flight Where they've asked her a time Really? I never have before either I don't think.

I have for sure. Or I just don't realize Because it wasn't in the awareness Yeah Right. No, I for sure have. I've flown a lot, though. Yeah. Yeah. I've wanted it to be like, someone's going into labor. Oh, my God. Olivia's like a baby. Yeah. Like in Heart of Dixie. Remember, you had to like deliver a baby?

You weren't on a plane. No, but it was like, it was spur of the moment. Yes. She didn't even know she was pregnant, I don't think. She didn't know she was pregnant. No, the character on the show, like, didn't know she was pregnant. Or well, she knew when she was having. She was hiding it from her mom or something. No, she didn't know. She came in just, like, see me. And she had, like, melasma on her face. And then I'm like, you know, you're pregnant, right?

Like, what? There was no bedside manner with. But she wasn't, like, nine months. Because she's still not bad. She wasn't, like, nine months and about to give birth. She was, I want to say she was far along. I don't know. I'd have to rewatch the pilot.

Anyone out there who had seen the pilot? Or anyone out there that this has happened to, have you been nine months pregnant and not known and a doctor tells you? You've seen those shows. I went to go to the bathroom and I gave birth instead. I don't know if I believe that any of those are true. I understand if people aren't, if they don't have regular menstrual cycles and they're young and like they've only had their period a couple times, so they don't know, and then they think

it's gone. And then I don't know. I knew I was pregnant. Yep. Same. I did. I knew. It was very apparent.

Same. Did you ever know you were pregnant? Both times. What are your airplanes next? I'm glad you asked. Well, sometimes I switch them up. Sometimes I want a pretzel. Don't you find yourself always wanting salty?

Always on the plane? And crunchy. Crunchy. I will do Chex Mix. Yeah, which one though? Bold. Bold and dusty. Oh, now it's just bold.

I do bold. Yeah. And peanut M&Ms. Mm-hmm. And a Diet Coke. I know it's horrible. Diet Coke's disgusting. I really love it.

But then I get a ginger ale. on the plane. Yeah. But sometimes I will get sour cream and onion pringles. Oh.

Yeah. I respect that. That's like a good airplane. That's a good airplane. For sure. It's a good airplane. What about you?

Yeah. I do like a bold checks. You do. But I like peanut butter Eminemes. I know you do. Those are more

my go-to. Um, I like to switch it up. I like to get lots of different things. What did I reason? You know what's a main go to is a frito

because love a frito it's always good it always satisfies it's just there it's simple accomplishes everything Elliot really likes the fritos in Mexico that are like the lemon yeah he's like where are they here

and I'm like I don't know some liquor stores have have a do they win if you see them when you get them they're my favorite thing they're so good they're so good how many times he's gone to Mexico well they just went we just went Oh, okay. But he was like...

So she goes often enough that way. No, but he hits on his brain. Really quick. Whitsitt in Riverside, there's like not Vueyerval surface, but across the street where like those other stores are. Yeah. That liquor store right there has had them before. But I think now they might just have the chili limon and not just the limon, but... He was just the limon.

See, I love the chili loan to them. Check that liquor store. Okay. Valley girl. Valley girls. Valley girls. We had a friend that went to. Vinnie's preschool.

And she saw Vinny in his class during the day. I went and talked to his teacher and was seeing how he was doing. And she said that all the kids, because he's the smallest and, like, quietest, they all love and take care of him.

Oh, that's so sweet. That he's, yeah, the sweetest kid in the class. Aw. Does that make you proud inside? I know. He's young, though. He's a young preschooler. Two and a half. That's when it starts.

He's so little, though. He's so little. Yeah, he's one of the youngest in the class, so they are all very protective of him. That's really sweet. Shepard has a girlfriend. Yeah. But she doesn't know. You might need to have Jeff talk to him about this.

He went into class and he's like, I got a girlfriend. And then he's like, hey, yo, I got a girlfriend. And we were like, oh my God. And he went up to her and was so embarrassed and like wouldn't talk to her and was telling me, that's my girlfriend, that's my girlfriend. And she's just smiling. So I'm like, does she know? She definitely knows.

You think she knows? I've never seen someone walk in with so much charisma and Riz in my life after he decided he had a girlfriend. He was like swagging around the class. Like, I got a girlfriend. I was like, you know what? Good for you. Feel good. I love that.

I do too. It's really cute. He is the swaggiest of swag. Yeah. But I guess you don't say that now. He's the risiest of ris. He's the risler. Yeah, you sound so old saying that.

I sound delulu. What? Delulu. Yeah. That's another one. Do you not know? I mean delusional? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean delusional? They talk. The way the words travel, like even today, I was like, Elliot, you got to put your shoes on. We have to leave the house. And Jeff is like telling him how, because he's like, I don't want to go to baseball. I don't want to do baseball. And Jeff's like, every day I'm like, I don't want to go to Taekwondo. And afterwards, I feel better. That's normal for you to feel like that. And then afterwards, start noticing you feel better. And I'm like, it's like going on and on. I'm like, Elliot, put on your shoes. We have to walk out the door. He's like, please hold while dad delivers his TED talk. Calvin's that way about his activities too. It drives us crazy. That's pretty good. It's good.

It's a fight to get him to do everything and then he likes it. And then we would be like, all right, this is your last time you're going to do this. We'll take you out of it. It's like a waste of our time if you're going to fight it every time. We enjoy driving you to music class every Sunday in the middle of the day. Right. and fighting you every time to go. But I told Elliot, I'm like, I do the same thing.

You think I want to go to the gym? I'm never like, oh, I want to go. But then you feel better, so it's a good discipline. Like, you go no matter what your brain says when you make a decision. I can't believe you're going to the gym and Pilates tomorrow morning. Yeah. It's a lot. So much free time.

So much free time. She's at a gym at 5 a.m. Yeah, I don't have any free time. So much free time. Zero free time. Zero. Zero. I do Pilates three times a week now.

So proud of you. Like one week so far? No, she's been doing it. I've been doing it. I was doing twice a week and now I just opted to three. And how good do you feel? Great. How long have I been doing Pilates?

Just when Breyer went to school, started school. Yeah. Sneezed at me. Really? Just been doing it. I could intimidate you with my ab picture of my abs. Inimidated? Yeah.

I think I would intimidate him. Yeah. Like, whoa, it's scary. I don't think it's going to intimidate anyone.

Yeah. Might do something to people. Intimidate. I don't think it's intimidating. Go to the broad idea social if you want to see a photo of Rachel's abs.

No. DM me. Oh, no. Just kidding. Imagine. I'm selling pictures of your abs. For how much?

Yeah, let's see. See, how much? we can get. Why are we surprised that I'm doing Pilates? Because you don't leave the house and... Oh, that part. That part. I think you've been talking about doing it for years. Well, it's because of my sausage toe. Your sausage toe? What does that mean? I haven't told you that the doctor. I went to the rheumatologist because I've had this foot thing for like almost a year now. From not wearing socks at the airport? Probably Rob. That's what all this came from. She's like, oh, they call that sausage To?

Oh, I didn't know that. I thought you just called it a sausage toe. No, the doctor called it a sausage toe. I thought it was interesting that you just called it your sausage toe. No, she called it a sausage toe. Is it the ones longer than the other ones? No, it's just swollen. Wait, why is it still swollen?

I don't know. It's not anything like autoimmune. What is it? I don't know. She's just, oh, no, sausage toe. It was pretty funny though She's like examining exam and she goes oh Sausage toe

So I kind of open with that when I meet people I'm like guys I have a sausage show I really because she does refer to it as that in Pilates She'll be like well with my sausage What is that I don't even I'm not even what's going on with your toe I don't know I have to go to like an orthopedic surgeon You don't remember the foot thing

You know I've had a foot thing for like a year like a bunyan? No. My second toe is, well, first I'm a sausage. It's a sausage. It's a piece of mustard. And I couldn't walk on this foot for a long time. And then I started getting used to it.

And it's like a little better, obviously, than it was. But the toe itself is still swollen. Let me look at it. Do you see the difference? No, it doesn't look weird. It's gone down a lot. It's gone down. The sausage is now a mini-swell.

sausage. And they give you, so you're like one of those shows, like medical. Yeah. Mysteries. Totally. I could go on it. I am supposed to go to like some orthopedic surgeon that's supposed to be really good to like, but I've had an MRI. I've had x-rays. I've had rheumatologist appointments, regular doctor appointments. It hurts? What is it? It makes you walk funny. No, it's okay right now. And I think Pilates maybe is helping the sausage. That's amazing. I think so. Hmm. Do you know what I find really interesting? What? I've been to a lot of people's houses. Yeah. A lot of people's homes. I've never seen anyone use the same lotion as me. Which lotion is that? But today I walked in to my skin guy. Yeah. And he went, oh, he looks so shiny. He's like, you know what lotion I use that does that? The Nivia super enriched. And I was like, that's what I use. And that's all our time.

If you ever used it? Which bottle is it? The dark blue. Yeah, just the OG. Yeah. You know, when you get it in a tin and it's really thick? Yeah, but you got to do the pump and you... What lotion do you use, Rob?

Do you put lotion on after you shower? No? No? Guys, do they? Do they? I don't think Jeff does. Calvin does? Calvin does?

And Vincent? Wait, do guys put lotion on when they get out of the shower? That's a real question. I'm sure some do. I don't. Do you lotion your whole body after the shower? Yeah, of course. I love it.

Me too. Mm-hmm. Have we talked about are you a morning or night shower person? I am night. Interesting. Well, he doesn't have hair to deal with. Although there's some people. I just wear a hat, so I don't have hair to deal with.

So is it before bed or is it like, what's the order? It's usually, it's before bed because I exercise at night. I'm sweaty. So our day is reversed. You? Not a nighttime. You neither. A bath, if I want to take a bath before bed.

That's different. Showering, you have a hair situation. It's a thing. But I don't always wash my hair. So bath. Would be the nighttime. Do you have a morning bath? Uh, I wouldn't say that's the norm.

If I have the opportunity, I would sure take it. Okay. All right. Well, I think we've discovered. I mean covered. Oh, my God, I need to eat. All right. Let's go feed Olivia.

Let's go feed Olivia. Thanks for listening, everybody. Goodbye. That was a headgum podcast.