Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Bling Ring: Alexis & Gabby

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

In this very special episode, Rachel confronts sisters Alexis and Gabby, both known for their involvement in the “Bling Ring,” who robbed her house many times in 2009, as well as the houses of other prominent celebrities. Alexis and Gabby shed light on the difficult upbringings that led them to addiction and crime, share details from the robberies and their thoughts on the Netflix Documentary, and discuss their roads to redemption.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Today we are in Rob's basement. Yes, just mere blocks from where all of this took place. Yeah, we are very close to where some events occurred maybe 11 years ago, 12 years ago. I don't know, a long time ago. And... Yeah, I don't know what to expect from this, but we're going to make it happen. We have Alexis and Gabby from The Blingring. I say that like that because, like...

Yeah, like... The Harlem Globetrotters. Yeah, like... They participated in the bling ring. Yeah, and Gabby just recently went live on her Instagram with a confession and apology to you. And that's why we're going to have them, right? Yeah, Rachel's indifferent. about this whole conversation.

I think she's more than indifferent. I think she's guarding something really sacred inside. Shut up, Olivia. Let's listen and find out. Sometimes when the windside of Rachel's little brain, all these thoughts are swirling, round and round inside. To join us on this journey as we take a little ride.

about dogs and kids and things we'll talk about chicks and tampon strings we'll talk about boys that and death because people die um i want to like just start talking so we can get like the awkward or whatever anyone's feeling out of the way i had super conflicting feelings about this in particular and i have to let you guys know i have always stayed very distant from anything having to do with the quote-unquote blingering and everything that went down. I never read anything. I never saw anything. I didn't support the movie Sophia did.

I felt like it was weird to bring so much attention to something that had such a big impact personally for me and for other people involved, right? So super conflicting, but we're talking about kids. And as a mother myself sitting here, 41 years old, I have a kid. it's been a long time since any of this went down. And coming from that perspective, as fellow mothers, it's like you're in a different place in your life. It's a different part of life. It's a different chapter of life. So to be grown up and actually have real conversations is more important than harboring any awkwardness, animosity, any other negative feelings that might come along with it. But like I said before, I seriously know nothing. I know details of some people. I know

not you went into my old house like five times. I didn't ever enter your home, but Gabby did. Right. One of the five times. Right. Yes. So I was informed like Olivia is more up on it than I am. I'm up on it. She's all up on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so, you know, there's been a lot of lessons for me in the whole experience of it, right? Letting go of material things was a huge lesson because, like, everything I ever had was taken, as you guys know. I didn't know that, actually. I didn't know much when I went to your house. I was only 15. So young. So young.

And also I didn't know much about what had been transpiring because I didn't know them very well. I just happened to be out one night with them. And I'm sure partying or whatever. Well, I don't want to get that as an excuse for why it went. But that's what I know. And I want to be truthful for. I want you to get everything that you can get out of this from my perspective. And I wish I could give you more.

I'm a very empathetic person. Like, I'm a really nice person. So it's hard for me to sit here. Like I said, as a mother to fellow mothers and not just be like, oh, my God, you guys, you know, and do that whole thing. It's hard for me. But because of how it affected my life and, you know, personally and, like, my mother's engagement ring was part of it. I didn't know that. You know, like the personal stuff.

And I totally get, you guys, I'm sure, have done a lot of work. You're even doing it right now. What? You're going into the comforting event. Yeah, it's my nature, right? I know this. And you don't have to. You're allowed to speak your part.

And we have time to hold space for them to speak their part. Right, right. You don't need to go into making them comfortable because the truth of the matter is. the situation wasn't comfortable. Right, of course. And I'd like to say that I came here with the all-knowing, that you could come here and rip me apart and I would take it because that's what you deserved and you deserve to get your peace from this.

And whatever that means for you, that's why I wanted to come here. Our intention with doing the documentary was so that way we could give this to you. Oh, already. Sorry. It's okay. we didn't we were so excited for the truth to find to own it all like we were you know okay who and this isn't this isn't tears for me it's tears because I know how hard this is for her because I had to go through a but with a separate victim right and I needed out on the other side of that like I got sober at 19, I wanted to intensive therapy. I did my time. I did my thorough amends and I've been in

AA for the last 11 and a half years. And so, I'm okay. I know. I know. But I think that's what the frustration for us was and why we did the live and why we're so grateful that you saw that is because our intention with doing the documentary was for you and the other victims. To apologize. And it's so frustrating and so unfortunate that that is not what ended up coming out of the documentary. And so... What came out of the documentary? What do you mean? Well, unfortunately, the truth about what transpired at Rachel's house that night and Gabby's entire involvement and all of that got cut out of the documentary.

And the reason why we did the live, we weren't allowed to do the live before the documentary came out. And so the reason why we did the live was to say, like, we're not going to continue to be silent about this. The truth is that the closure deserves to finally transpire 11 years later. Like, this should have happened years and years ago. But because of, you know, the way that it was covered in the media. And I would love to talk about that and just, you know, because I think that's such a huge peace in this and you touched on that the way that this has been romanticized and and covered in a really I think a toxic and unhealthy way um and you know it never really allowed you guys to have the justice or the closure that you deserve so gabby and i partook in the documentary for that reason

when that didn't transpire we decided to do the live so she could share the truth about what happened and make my apology to you to you and I'm I'm grateful that you're allowing me to be here to do that to you face to face so thank you yeah I would do you want to is there something that you want to say directly to her I feel like we're in like an mediator and an intervention I mediate people that's what I do for a living is what she does I am so sorry that I ever made the choice to go into your home that night I will tell you anything and everything that you want to know to give you the closure that you deserve. And I am so sorry. I wish that I could take it back. It's been a living nightmare for you for the

past 10 years, 11 years. And as a mother now, all you want to do is protect your babies. And I know that I stripped you of feeling safe in your home. And I am so sorry. I am so sorry. I do appreciate you saying that. I can tell you're genuine. sorry. And again, you were 15 years old. Yeah. And I'm not trying to make excuses for anybody, but I'm telling you, I am maternal to my core, so it's hard for me to see you sitting there and genuinely apologizing and me not wanting to comfort you, right? But I'm not expecting, and I get that. And I appreciate that. And I do know that your participation in it wasn't at the extent of some of the others that were in my home, taking shits in my bathroom. Like,

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at home lab test. Everlywell.com slash ideas. But also you stayed distant because the truth of the matter is it was traumatizing for you. Oh, for sure. For sure. No, like, I'm sure. You know, every, every single designer item that was ever in my possession was taken during those events, right? amongst other personal things. Some things I bought, you know, saved money that I worked really hard for. Obviously, some things were gifted as things do when you're on a successful show or whatever it may be. And I touched on this earlier that I learned the lesson to detach from material possessions, right? Because every material possession of mine was taken. That feeling of violation, it's hard to describe, right? Unless it's happened to you personally. I don't know

if anything's ever been taken from you, but having to come to the reality of the situation, and I was in my 20s, I want to say, when it happened, and you're young, and it definitely took a lot of work, and you have to detach. And I didn't watch the documentary. Like I said, I have stayed very far apart from it. I know that you have kind of been the face of this blingring, right?

And you went into Orlando's home. And that was the only home that I was involved. That's the one that you did. There's that other guy, the main guy. Nick. Who says that you guys are lying and that you guys say he's lying and there's all this drama out there. Well, it's... I don't know why I would come here and confess to robbing your home and not have done it.

But that's the only thing that he's saying that I'm not telling you. He's saying that you weren't there? Yeah. Well, no. He's saying that she's doing this for publicity and for... And that I wasn't there and that the truth was in the documentary. Oh, weird. Can I tell you guys why?

And this is really hard for us. We have a third sister. Mm-hmm. Who took me to your house that night? Because she was friends with Nick. Okay. She's older. She's four years older than me.

Nick has this loyalty to her to the death of it. Like, I don't understand. But when we got the opportunity to do the documentary, I told Tess, I said, I'm coming forward. It's not fair. She deserves the truth. My sister deserves to speak the truth. I don't want to harbor your secrets anymore.

And my secrets. And so she flipped out, obviously. And then went to Nick. And while we were filming, went to Nick, unfortunately, allegedly. We don't have proof of that, but we have to be. Wait, let me just get this straight. She's not your biological system. No, no.

She's someone that you guys took into your home that was a friend that became your sister. We had known her since we were babies. Yeah. It was like Amanda. Like how I, like so, so close. And, you know, and we both came from really traumatized, fucked up homes. That's the truth that we did. We had horrendous abuse.

And my mom was kind of like the most stable parent out of any of the parents. And so my, even though she's a lunatic, I love her so much now, but God, was she messed up. She's gotten better in the last eight years. But, I mean, really messed up. And she took in Tess. And we love Tess very much, but because of the challenges. And this is why I wanted to do the documentary, too, is because, like, crime and addiction don't happen in a vacuum. It's a very nuanced and complex thing.

that happens. And it's important that we have these conversations because as we look at where we're at in the world today, we can't keep on with mass incarceration. We can't keep on with the amount of mentally ill people. We can't keep on with the amount of addiction. And so we have to be willing to look at the way that we've been operating as a society. And we have to ask ourselves, is this working? And that's why I'm so grateful to sit down and have this conversation because I am a really huge advocate for prison reform and for mass incarceration reform and for restorative justice. Restorative justice is what we're doing here today, is we're allowing the healing to happen for you as the perpetrator is not me personally, but to some degree and for Gabby personally. to take ownership and responsibility and to come here and just basically say, what can I do to make this right? Because we can't keep othering people and we can't keep pushing people away.

And so it's hard because I love Tess. That's our sister. We love her so much. We're listening to Elena's Morissette in the car and we're just like. That's what we listen to as babies and we're like, we wish she was here. We wish she was doing this for you. At the place, emotionally, mentally, where she could do this, but she can't. And so was she a part of the blingering?

So she robbed your house with Gabby. Just that night. Just that night. Was it just the two of you or was Nick there with Rachel? Nick took us there. So we didn't know anything. Take us through that night. Yeah.

Okay. What was that night? Tell us. So we, Tess brought Nick around a few times. And I had known, you know, a little bit. There were rumors going around our town that he had robbed Parris Hilton's home. But none of us really had the balls to ask him, you know. And then one night I went over to Nick's house with Tess.

And I was 15. How old was she? She was 8. The 19. She would have been 19. 19. And she took me out to Baso. I'm sure you guys have heard of Baso as a club back then. And she took me out with Nick and we all got really drunk. And at the end of the night, she came up to me and she asked me if I wanted to go to your house. And I was extremely intoxicated, but I know that I said yes. I'm not going to deny that I said yes. And we went to your home. And with, I could be wrong about these details because obviously I was blacked out, but from what I think happened or what your home looked like was that I was pushed through a kitchen window and opened

the front door. I don't remember going up the stairs. I think what your closet looked like was a straight walk-in closet with like mahogany colored. Am I wrong about this? Yeah. Okay. So then that's just something that I've, you know, it happened 10 years ago. Because your room, it wasn't a walk-in closet. Okay. Were they, were they brown? Was your closet brown like the color of this floor? No. Okay. So that came to me 10 years later, right before I did the documentary. So I might have just been, you know, imagining it trying to come up with, it doesn't matter. I woke up the next morning in my own home. And I had four deaf. bags of jeans. And I sobered up and realized what happened. My mom and Alexis came into the room.

They asked me where the clothes came from. I didn't say anything. I didn't know what to say. Like, it was just hitting me what had happened. And then from then on, reality sunk in of like what I did and just the repercussions of my actions. Obviously, I never hung out with Nick and a test together again. I broke off immediately. I had my own friends. I started a whole new life because I wanted to try and forget about what I had just done. Obviously, in 15, I understand, though, the repercussions of what I had just done. But I was very scared. And I gave all of your clothes to the homeless shelter because I didn't know what to do. And you had four bags of jeans.

That's it. What did, do you know what they took that night? No, I don't remember anything. The only thing I know is what we came back with. I never even, it was never brought up again until my sister got arrested. I didn't bring anything up because I was terrified. I never spoke to it to Tess. I never spoke to Nick about it.

Nothing. We just pretended like it never. happened. So I will also want to add that Nick and Rachel were obviously the ringleaders of the bling ring and they hit a lot of the houses multiple times. And I think Nick's motive of bringing Tess and Gabby there that night was the same motive that he brought me to Orlando Bloom's house that night. He so desperately wanted to be. But you went willingly. I went willingly. I was also, you know, intoxicated. But neither. Gabby and I were involved in any of the planning. First of all, I didn't know that she robbed your

house. That came out after my arrest. She owned that completely to me, that she was also involved. And so Nick and Rachel robbed these houses, and I think that that was his way of feeling loved and included and whatever it might be with Rachel. And then he, They were romantically involved? No. Nick is gay. He's gay and she was like his... I don't think he really felt a part of any community. I don't really think he had any really like close friends.

And when Rachel kind of started to pay attention to him and whatever else, he felt like he had to do whatever he could to maintain that relationship, because it was the only like close kind of friendship that he had. And I think the reason why he would bring other people after he had already robbed the... the house with Rachel multiple times and she had gotten everything she wanted, was so that way he could make other people like him. Yeah, obviously. But the thing is, is that like, look, and I said this to Rachel. So I watched the documentary. I saw the movie. I read all the things, right? And watching the two of you and your mom and that whole situation of the way you guys were raised and everything, if I wasn't so close to Rachel through the whole thing, you.

thing. Like, there was a part of me watching it being like, okay, like, were you guys that much worse than what I was doing at 15? I mean, my brother's in jail right now for robbery. Like, we grew up with a lot of people that did a lot of stuff. I, too, I'm 12 years sober. And obviously, addiction and crime and all of that. So when I was watching the documentary and able to separate from Rachel for a moment, I had a lot of compassion. to the fact that like, okay, they were fucking kids. You know what I mean? And I'm not diminishing the actual trauma that happened to the people.

But I will say, like, if we sat down every burglar and every robber, they all have a story, right? Like Nick's reason to fit in at a certain point is like, yeah, so does everyone else who robs a home is looking for love or comfort or safety. or support or whatever it is. Attention. Attention. And I think that that was the biggest thing I got from watching the documentary is what you guys were raised in, in my opinion. And I'm not insulting your mom. I can insult my own mother for the way I was raised.

But I think that the strive for fame and for property and prestige and being in the entertainment industry from such. a young age. I think that that's definitely the way that it looks in the documentary, but let me explain further. Okay. So my mom left the house when she was in eighth grade. Her dad was extremely emotionally unavailable. She had been raped and sexually assaulted multiple times. And her only value in the world was being a model.

That was her only value. So she left the home and she went immediately to start working. as a model in Chicago. And then when she was 16, she got a modeling contract in Tokyo and she left forever. And she never came back. She just didn't. And while in Tokyo, she met rock stars and she had more horrific things. And then she, and usually I can talk about this without crying.

I don't know why I feel so emotional. Maybe just because this is like a lot. But, you know, she moved to California and she met my dad who, um, was this very, you know, he was the director of photography on friends. He made half a million dollars a year. He was on the nanny. He was her saving grace. This was her second marriage, right?

Her brother died of an overdose right in front of her when she was 16 right before she left. And her dad hated, like, just did not, could not. You know, he equated value to you do good in school. you know, he was very like old school. And so she hated herself. And so, you know, she met my dad. She got married to him and he was a terrible alcoholic, you know, and he was violent. And he had an affair and he left her with two young girls. She was 18 months and I was three. So you're both from those parents? Yeah, same parents. And it just kept getting more fucked up from there. I've been older, well, I can't say who. But, you know, incest was taking place.

in our house. I began being raped when I was four. Again, I can always talk about this without big emotion, but I just can't today. You don't... Honestly, you don't need to. That's what you're here for is that. So, you know, again, like, I started to become out of control

because I kept that secret for years. And then we started being abused by my dad's girlfriends and by babysitters. And it was fucked up. And the only thing my mom knew that she could do in order to provide for us was to get us into the industry that had paid her and kept her afloat this whole time. And so, again, we can't talk about my, in quotes, narcissistic mother that everyone hates and we can't talk about the abuse and we can't talk about, you know, the things that transpired without giving context and finding the nuance and all of this loud noise that everyone has opinions about. because the truth is that like I love Renee Brown so much. And I remember listening to this talk where she's, and this was hard for me for years,

where she talked about how everyone's doing the best they can. And I was like, that's not true. Fuck my mom. She could have gone to school for nursing and she could have, you know, like provided for us. And we wouldn't have had to be on food stamps before we got our show. We looked like we were some Galabas's kids. We were not. We were literally on food stamps.

Our father was homeless. Yeah. Our father was homeless for years. years he was living out of our garage it was so bad you guys and that's why we took the show because we needed the money we didn't even want to do the show how did your dad go from being the director of photography so he got fired he got fired he punched someone allegedly allegedly he punched someone in the face um high on you know cocaine and alcohol i'm sure you know and so you know he He lost everything.

My mom lost all of her income from him. She had no job. She was solely relying on the money that he gave her every month. And stuff just kept getting worse and worse and worse. And then, you know, my addiction started to, I started using opiates when I was, you know, I don't know, eighth grade. And by the time I was 17, I was a heroin addict, right? Like, and so, again. You love your mom.

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But it sounds to me like you do love her. Love her so much. And here's the thing. It's like you know this because you're in recovery. And, you know, I don't know if you're in the rooms that I'm in. But they say, you don't, we don't wish to shut the door on our past. And so in my years of recovery, what I know to be true is that I wouldn't change it for the world. None of it. Even, you know, people are like, even so-and-so sexually abusing you starting when you were four, I wouldn't because it cracked me open and it brought me to my knees to this place where I have this deep level of love and compassion to a degree that I didn't before. And so when I said in the documentary, you know, that I'm so sorry and I think it got cut and that's unfortunate that the blingering and going to jail and everything that transpired, what's the best.

thing that ever happened to me, I would not, you know, I would not be able to help people to the degree that I am today without it. And it should have never had to happen at the expense of somebody else. And that's what I said in this. And those two things can exist. Yeah. And I also, I didn't know that you said that. I also said that in the documentary and that our family healing and becoming healthy and my children and her children now get to live in a healthy, happy home. And I'm so sorry that it was at the expense of you and your beautiful family. And I wish that it hadn't been. I really do. But I can't take it back. And the lessons that I've received from that, you know, are irreplaceable. I will tell you guys, because we're sitting here right now,

in this space together, I don't want to take away from what happened, right? If those other two were sitting here, I would have zero empathy or compassion. I can see and feel and hear everything you're saying. I have more, I don't know if respects the right word, but I have more of an understanding and I am not. a person that lives my life in grudges, regret, negativity, any of that, right? So I let go with this shit a long time ago. Do I support it now? Do I watch the movies? No. No, no. But I'm never a person that holds on to attachments in the negative space, right? And I don't want to take away

from it. And then there's that part of me's like, well, you were only there that one night and you just took jeans. Like, you know what I mean? But it doesn't take away from what it is. I'm not saying Right. No, I'm not saying that it does, but I'm just talking to you because you guys did come here. It's a very vulnerable position to be in. It takes a lot to confront anything in your past that is uncomfortable in any way, right? What? I didn't know. What? I was just, remember how I was telling you the other day? I, we, my friends and I, and I think we just talked about this on the podcast, I'm only laughing because one night we were somewhere and we started drinking and doing drugs really young and grew up in Los Angeles, so we understand the whole thing, you know. And one night we're at someone's house and they're

like, take anything you want. And I ended up, I'm like, she took jeans. I took someone's mom. that had been cremated and put in the bag. And like, I don't feel any, like, guilt and remorse now. I gave her back. I did give her back. But I'm like, yes, at the end of the day, like, where you're coming from, I hear it is jeans. Right. Right.

I'm not. I know you're not. I know you're not. But I, like I said, if those other two were sitting here, they wouldn't be. And honestly, like, I didn't steal. jeans from you. I stole your ability to feel safe in your own home. Listen, I sold that house very quickly. But still, like, that's the pain that I sit with and... But why do you mean to do that, though? What is that doing for you? What, it's not doing shit for Rachel? I'm so glad you asked

this because I've told her this. I'm like, honey, we need to heal. I'm so hard on myself. That is not helpful. I know. But. But, you know, it's, I do need to forgive myself. It's, babe, you were 15. I know everyone says that, but I was 15, but, you know, I had been through a lot in my life and I was very emotionally mature. And I, it's hard for me to just, I have a really big sense of integrity. And when that happened, it was like, you know, I've been going over in my kitchen while I'm doing dishes.

What is going to happen? You know, and this, like, little voice came into my head. It was so sad. She was, like, the little girl who had a hating Christensen all over her binder was not the girl who was in your home. And where did that little girl go? And what sad is is that she was robbed of a child, you know? And my mom shouldn't have let me out at a club at 15. What does that?

We were in the same spot. We grew up in L.A. I was at clubs at 15. I was a lot. I was doing like all of it. We, it was just. Yeah. It wasn't her fault, you know, but but I have to be kind.

You have to be kind to that little girl. I know. I'm doing parts work on it. You have to. And you have a little girl, right? Yeah. So you have to be kind. And now like we're turning this.

to like therapy whatever. Well, that's what we fucking do. I know, but look, it's just, we're humans at the end of the day. We are humans at the end of the day, but you have to be kind of that little girl. And I want to tell you, you were fucking 15 years old. I let go of that shit so long ago. You need to. Well, that I see feel good.

Because I came here and I was like, yeah, me, you're just, you're going to get through this and then it's done. And then I was like, wow, you're such a selfish bitch. Maybe it's not done for her. You're too hard on yourself. I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Well, thank you. But it's hard. It's hard. I get it. And look, you obviously have remorse and all of that for going into the house and taking the things. And I see that. Okay. I, this whole concept, like this bling, where the fuck did the name come from?

I don't know, actually. Well. Did you guys call yourself that? Oh, my God. No. No. Like you're gang? No.

We tried to run from the. So that's, it's a common misconception. and like Gabby and I really did only know Nick for a three-month period of time. That was it. They had been robbing houses long before we met them. And long after. And I mean, it definitely was the media. And then it kind of blew up because of my show and then that article that came out in Vanity Fair. And I think, you know, the movie then eventually was based on the article, which became a book by the same writer. And, and, And so the Vanity Fair coined it, bling ring or what? I'm not, it was someone in the media and I believe it was the writer of that article, Nancy Joe, because then she wrote a book titled The Bling Ring, and then she sold that to Sophia Coppola to make the movie the bling ring. Which I never understood. Yeah, glorified it in a way.

Yeah, I never understood. Yeah. Not chill and not. And also one of the things that I'm sorry is the truth about the situation. from my perspective is that you got pinned as the face of it because of a reality show. Beyond that, it's also her face. She was a beautiful young girl and it made a fucking story. You know what I mean?

Like, I'm sorry, but Nick wouldn't have made as compelling of a story. And that was my whole argument with like the article, you know, obviously that moment became like a reality. TV moment. It's still good something that's replayed to this day. And everyone's like, oh my God, you're crying over something that's so stupid. And I said, no, I'm crying because it's true that like it wasn't Nick Prugo wore a leviton coat into court and Ranway walked down the aisles. Like this is what how they were talking about me. Alexis were six inch lubiton heels. And of course we all now know that I was not wearing lubiton heels to court. But it was this picture that was painted that sensed This moment and made once again a young female girl and I and I'm not a you know

I'm not a victim based off of what I did but of the media spin of this and and it became the sensationalized thing because I agree that I was a conventionally pretty young girl who had a reality show and sex sells it the story of Nick and Rachel two kids from Calabasas robbing celebrities would have been in the news for two seconds. It would have never gone anywhere and And what happened was, yes, this writer specifically ran with this and blew it up to the degree that it was blown up to in order to profit as much as possible off of me and off of the story as a whole. And so going back to like, you know, it's been 10 years and we're offered this opportunity with Netflix to do this documentary. And again, Netflix, I do feel like, really gave some context and some clarity. And they did a great job with that part of it. Like, I wholly agree. And I think the reason why it's still being talked about today is because, for one,

there was never any, like, closure or, like, you know, real, like, what happened. And I think everyone deserved to have that closure to whatever. Why were the people that were robbed? Why were they, how were they picked? Why? Do you know? No. You know, but I could give some context into it.

I don't know why, but I know how. I know that he would stock their homes, stock what they were going to do on social media. And then he would find times when they weren't there. I know I wasn't on it. Yeah, but it was more like Perez Hilton and like TMC and things like that. Yeah. I will say, I do believe. the reason why you were targeted was solely because you were the same size and kind of an

idol of Rachel's. And I think that that's, you know, Rachel was really in it for the clothes and the things. I believe Nick was really in it because he wanted Rachel's like approval and love and also for the things. And he, where did all the things go? Did they personally keep them? Some of them were kept. Rachel allegedly took a lot of the stuff to Las Vegas when the arrest started happening and we don't know what happened with the stuff after that. I know Orlando Bloom got almost all of his possessions back. I know that Paris Hilton got a lot of her possessions back. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what, you know, I know they pawned a lot. I know they sold a lot. Yeah, that's something that I do know is that from documentation that he would take things to Venice

boardwalk and just sell them. Was Rachel's house the only house you were involved in? Yes. So both of you went into one house, Orlando Bloom and Rachel's. Yes. And you went in one time to Orlando's house? Yes. Yeah.

And I took a Louis Vuitton computer bag in one dress. And Nick states that in the documentary that he and Rachel had planned to basically go and take all of the, so I went in for drug money to get as much as I could to supply my habit because at that point my opiate addiction was really bad. And they basically had planned on either going in before, it's not clear in the documentary, but they basically had already taken all of the Rolexes, all of the expensive things out of his home before I was there. So we didn't, okay, actually, I don't know much about yours. I, wasn't supposed to go there.

Wait, did you guys watch the documentary? Because you both keep saying, I didn't know that. I'm like, I know all this. I didn't watch the documentary. I've never watched Pretty Wild, which is my own television show, and I've never watched, and I didn't watch the documentary because things I'll say not on podcast, but I were cut out of it. Yeah, I was really upset.

She was very upset. I was really upset. You know, and I'm not allowed to talk about it. So I'm not... No, we can talk about why it got cut out. We just can't... Right. I can't explain my feelings towards it.

So, um... You can't. Why? You can. It's just... Are you like under contract that you're not allowed to say how you feel? No, she can say how she feels. I think that she had...

I think she's processing some anger and upset that was a little bit displaced. And we've had conversations about that, that, you know, it eventually... I get triggered by... by like producers. Yes, she does. And directors who try and pull things from you that aren't there. And I mean, at 15, like, I was put in a bra, a lace bra on camera, okay? And I spent the entire morning on the phone with lawyers trying to explain why I shouldn't

be in a lace bra on international television at 15. You're talking about on the reality show? On my reality show. Like, things like that. She's got trauma from the show. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they trigger me. So I don't like to, you know, I don't like to watch any minutes.

Anyways, I was not supposed to go to your home via Rachel. Like, the night that we went there, the only thing that was said to me was, you can't tell Rachel, I took you here. You're not supposed to be here. Tess isn't supposed to be here. We were not. Like, that was him and Rachel's thing. Ritualistic thing. Yes.

Just like going to my house continue. Going to everyone's house. They went to Peresulton's house, I think, the same amount of times. So it was just those two mainly doing all of it. Yeah. It was their weird ritual thing. Yes, I'm not going to go too far because anyways. Were they doing seances in these houses?

I have no idea. I didn't know that they pooped in your house. Well, I think I only know that because someone said that she said it in an article. She said she got so. comfortable that she shit in her house. Okay, see, yeah, I didn't know any of those things. Yeah. So I just, like I said, I don't know too much about what happened in your home. I just know what happened when I was there, how I entered your home, and that I ended up with four bags of jeans. Right. That's all I know. Yeah. It's unfortunate that a lot got cut out of the documentary, but we're happy that we're able to sit here and,

to have this conversation. And at the end of the day, it came down to, like, legality issues. It became a he said she said. As we were saying, Gabby did go to Tess prior to us deciding to take part in this film. And we told her our intentions of taking part in the film and why we wanted to do it. And I also empathize with Tess. Like, that's really scary to have this come out. I know because I went through it, right?

Very public. She was out there saying that she wasn't involved. Yeah. But you were there with her. Yeah. So this is what happened. Yeah, it was really sucked up. So I went and did the interview and I like spiel everything. I'm crying my eyes out and this is what triggered me is I got the question back at me.

Are you sure that you went in that house that night? And I'm like, what the hell? Like, what are you talking about? And he goes, I just need you to confirm. with me right now that it was you, Tess, and Nick. And I go, okay, it was me Tess and Nick. And then I didn't think anything of it because I was like, oh, okay, whatever. You know, I wasn't thinking, oh, Nick must have lied. And so then a few, maybe a month later, when Alexis did her interview, she calls me and she says that Nick said in his interviews that it was Alexis, him and I,

who went and that I stayed in the car and that Alexis and him went inside and robbed your house, sorry, the night that I was there. Oh, he put Alexis there instead of Tess. So Tess knew before she must have contacted Nick and Nick. And Nick protected her in the same way before because originally in Nick's testimony to the police, he says that Tess and him robbed your house. And then she was arrested the same day that I was and so was. Gabby, we were all taken for questioning.

And all of a sudden, they two don't have anything, but I have my charge. And Nick retracted his statement to the police and said that he misunderstood and that it wasn't Tess and Gabby. And so, you know, Gabby goes and does her interview. Nick's done his interview first. I'm sitting down with the producer. And all of a sudden he goes, you know, this is really hard for me, but I have to, you know, get clarity on this. did you rob Rachel Bilsen's house with Gabby and Tess? And I lost it. I lost it because, like, I've already been the face of this thing. I've already been called every name in the book. I've already

been, you know, I'm like, here I am trying to just own it and to move on and to do what's right. And once again, like, basically the truth isn't coming out. And I'm sick of it. Like, I'm sick of having to lie. And it's hard because we get a lot of pushback from, you know, fans of Tess and Nick that are like, you guys just are relentless towards her. She's, she's living in Wisconsin. I've never heard her name before in my life. She's got this quiet life. Like, everyone should just leave her alone. You guys are so mean by bringing her into this. And here's the thing. It's like, no, there's a purpose to this. We're not doing this to hurt anybody. We're trying to do this to set right what was wrong. And to show people that even if you've made massive mistakes,

You know, I sit down, I work with women in AA who have been charged with manslaughter. Like, I have women who have abused their children. I mean, I personally, you know, don't believe that anybody is not worth healing and redemption. Like, I don't believe anyone's really gone too far to be treated with respect and kindness. Some people have. Like people that, like, kill children and stuff like that. I mean, like, I will not forgive them. I get it, but here's the thing.

Like, why do they do that? I mean, when you have to look at like, we have to choose nonviolence, period, because violence is what keeps perpetuating this sickness in our culture. And so my intention and Gabby's intention by taking part in the film and by exposing the truth of what happened was never to hurt test. It was never to do anything that was like directly to harm her. But we did what we felt was right. And public opinion is going to be what public opinion is. That's just the way that it is. Let me ask this because now a lot of people feel that a lot of this and you guys and the other people involved, a lot of it's for attention and fame, right?

Yeah. And coming off of a reality show that you guys were on and whatever the other people were doing, I don't know, but that's a lot of what surrounds this is fame and attention. If you watch Pretty Wild, you'll see how much I hated being on that show. I hated every minute of being on that show. I never watched it. It was torment when people did. I have never wanted to be famous. I have never had an Instagram account trying to publicize myself. And I never will because that's just not who I am. I don't want to tag from you. I told my sister, she was like, what if they ask you to publicize it? And I said, well, I have a really hard time doing that because yes, I don't want to tag from you. I told my sister, she was like, what if they ask you to publicize it? And I said, well, I have a really hard time doing that because, yes, I don't want to want to come off as somebody who wants people to get, I don't want to have people think I need views. I don't care about receiving love from the public that way. I came here strictly for my amends to you and I hope that it ends here in this room and that I don't have to ever, um, I don't have to ever bring this up again. I, I don't even watch. I can't even turn on the

Netflix app right now because seeing it in the top 10 is not it's humiliating. It's humiliating. I did what I did because you deserved it. That's why I went and said, I'm going to rip off this band-aid and tell the truth because that's what you deserved. You deserve to see me humiliate myself for everyone to see and for it to be done. And that was my apology. There's a There's no fame seeking from me. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's absurd for anyone to say, you know, and that's what Nick is saying right now. Like Gabby wants her 15 minutes now too, and that's why she's doing this, which couldn't be further from the truth.

And, you know, for me, it really, I understand why people have that opinion and that perspective. And when I went into treatment when I was 19, I said I would never, ever return to the media space ever, ever. ever, ever, ever again. And, you know, I kept my head down for years. I went back to school to become a counselor. I opened a drug and alcohol and mental health facility with my now ex-husband. We were married for 10 years. And I had my first daughter. And about three years ago, I just felt called to talk about addiction, to talk about mental health, to talk about crime to talk about all of the things that I'm sitting here and discussing with you guys today. And, you know, and I personally feel like that my experience should be used for something good.

And it should be used to be able to have these conversations and to show up in really vulnerable and uncomfortable places and to do so. And I chose to do so publicly. And so, yeah, I get how people. can have that opinion 100%. But I'm not out there, you know, trying to be the next like tantamojo or like whatever. Like I'm here to show up authentically and to create content and to participate in content that hopefully inspires people and helps people heal. And I know that I've been successful at doing that, you know. Did you want to be famous when you were younger? Was that one

of your driving forces when you were young? No, I think. I think. you'll understand this. I just wanted to keep the party going. That was really it for me. It was like everyone's got, if I'm out, people have heroin, people have cocaine, people have alcohol. You know, I was young and pretty and dumb. I should, you know, 16 years old on at rooftop bars. I, you know, getting again, blackout drunk, sexually assaulted by like really powerful men in L.A. and Hollywood. Like, that life is not something that you want. And of course, the idea of having a reality show is exciting. I'm not going to lie about that. Right. We don't want you to. Like that. I mean, anybody who's like, you know, here's 150 grand for a show, like, you know,

let's, you know, be your wild selves and get paid for it. That doesn't suck. But, you know, I had no idea, like, what was coming in my life. And again, it ended up being the best thing that ever happened to me. And now I just feel like, you know, part of my living amends was dedicating my life to being of service to others. And that's really what I've spent the last 11 years doing. I've probably helped several thousand people at this point get sober. And I have 11 incredible sponsors. And I, you know, like I said, the treatment center and all of the things. It's a lot. But a lot of them are through the steps and like have multiple years of sobriety. So like it's not like I'm taking everyone through the steps at once.

And even my mom, my mom now helps people get sober. I'm so proud of her. And she helps. Is she sober? No. She's a, well, she's a life coach, right? She's, what was amazing was this, that she woke up to how fucked up she was as a parent and went to therapy and went to school. to help people in the same way that I did.

So I decided I was going to help addicts and she decided she was going to help parents. And I know this is crazy, but she's actually killing it. Really good at helping parents see how fucked up they are because she just relates to them. She's like, you know, she's on the phone with this woman. She's like, Deborah, I get it.

You want to kill her. I was right there. But really, she's acting out in this way because she has an attachment issue and she doesn't feel like she's loved and safe and able to connect. And that's your fault. And that's your fault because you weren't there for her as a child and the way she needed it. And I'm sitting there listening to her going, who are you? She's amazing. She really is. And so, you know, I don't know. I feel like sometimes, you know,

like it says in the book book, like you have to have someone who's been there to be able to kind of guide you out of it. And she's pretty great at doing that. She is. So it sounds like the two of you are on opposite ends of the couch, right? And it sounds like where you sit today, I can hear the self-forgiveness in what you're experiencing and where you're at in your life. And I don't hear that from you. Yeah. And I was just about to say, you know, my mom and my sister have done so much more work than I have because I wasn't even willing to yeah I wasn't even willing to um to acknowledge all of my shit I wanted to bury it until Alexis came to me in 2020 and said I'm doing this documentary with or without you and I my husband no one knew nobody knew no one has ever known

this until you and I knew that I knew test knew that was it not my husband not my And Nick. And Nick. And Nick. And Nick. Yeah. No one knew. So then why were you brought in for questioning?

I wasn't brought in for questioning, really. I was told by my lawyer that the police had gotten a testimony from Nick that we were at one of the homes. Oh, right. So originally Nick did say you and the guests were there. And then that was it. And then he retracted. So then I just lawyered up. And then within a few days.

it was done. There was no other. You weren't arrested. No. And there were no other. You were arrested. You served time. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And how much? I was sentenced to six months at Linwood Correctional Facility with a six-year suspension over my head and four years of probation. And I did like 36 days, got out, relapsed immediately, violated my probation. And by the grace of God, I'll always say. his name Judge Peter Espinoza because that DA was ready to send just send me off to prison. And the judge was like, she's detoxing from heroin. She's so sick. This girl is 19. She needs to go to treatment. Not so the judge was like, I'll give you one chance, a year in treatment, three years of probation. If you violate anything,

it's going to be the six years. The best thing that ever happened to me, saved our family, like set into motion, the ability for all of us to heal and for our children and all of that stuff. But I will say this, you know, because we've had this conversation about Tess too. People are like, well, Tess just wants to live a quiet life, leave her alone. Like, you're out there publicly. There's no right or wrong here. There's no I'm better than you or you're better than me. The bottom line is I personally feel that we don't heal unless we take radical responsibility for our actions.

We accept who we are and what we've done. and we show up authentically. And just because her way of showing up right now for herself is that and this is mine. Was she in the documentary? No. That doesn't mean that either of us are like right or wrong. And yeah, Gabby is a couple of years into starting this healing journey and we're working together and having really deep conversations about, you know, we're both doing, we've been doing for a long time internal family system. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that.

Reparenting, somatic healing, all of these things that are just like crucial. And she's just beginning this journey. I'd like to say, yeah, I put off the work because then I had to come to terms with hating myself. So, you know, I wanted to pretend like none of it happened. So for so many years, I just, I would smoke weed. this is like so ridiculous I would smoke weed and get really paranoid and just stay in my house

in my head over and over again I robbed Rachel Wilson's house and just stayed over again and be so afraid that it was going to just come out of my mouth To her husband To my husband So I lived with this secret

This whole time But like why? I don't understand why? Because it was so shameful Like Were you afraid to go into jail? No Did everyone else go to jail? Yeah so Rachel

And I would like to say this. I just say this. Tested and she never got charged. The bottom line is this, and this is, you know, I know that you have your intense feelings and you have every right to them and I don't know if this is going to be helpful or not. But, you know, it's very clear that, you know, Nick, it's based, you know, just based off what I've seen in the documentary and his continued behavior since, you know, and I asked him in a text exchange between me and Miles to tell the truth.

Who's Miles? Miles was the director of the documentary. And I spoke to him and I was like, tell him. the truth like this is ridiculous just tell be honest like what you know and so he's he's at the place that he's at in his journey and that's okay and that's his journey but i would like to say this because i actually ran into rachel this is a fucking weird story so i never saw rachel i never really knew rachel beforehand i knew her i saw obviously partook in the burglary that night and then i never had a um contact with her ever again right she went on she did her trial she went to prison i

believe for three years. She served three years? Three years of prison time. Like, not federal. Like prison prison. Like hardcore, right? But I will say this. I ran into Rachel.

I was getting my hair done at this upity salon in downtown LA. And I go in for my first consultation. It's this guy. I have super thick, crazy curly hair. And it's this guy that specializes in this. I waited so long for this appointment. My sister's there.

And I say to my sister, I go, that's Rachel Lee in the corner over there. And she goes, no, Alexis. that's not Rachel Lee. And I go, it is. That's Rachel Lee. And she goes, Alexis, that's impossible. There's no way that she's working as some stylist assistant in L.A.

And I said, yes, it is. I'm telling you. So anyway, I sit down, talk to the stylist about what I'm hoping for my hair. I go to get my hair washed. And he goes, my assistant's going to come in and wash your hair in a second. And my head's back in the bowl. And my eyes are closed because the bright lights overhead. I open my eyes and it's Rachel.

Oof. That sounds like a horror movie. And I. Yeah. I sat there and she was like, hi, I'm Rachel. Nice to meet you. And I looked at her and I go, it's okay. I'm not going to say anything. Let's talk, you know, after all of this is done. And so I go through the whole haircut. I just pretend that I've never met her. And I see an outside with her after. And I said, I'd love to connect with you and just to see where you're at. And, you know, and in my very therapeutic love, you know, very empathetic, very empathetic. all of the things. And she said, okay, you know, so she's, she's built this, she went to school. She's, she's trying to rebuild her life.

She's staying on the straight and narrow. She's not doing drugs or anything anymore. She's just like really got her shit together, which is impressive because I'm sorry I have to go to prison for three years. That's really, really hard to do and having to sit with the weight of all of the mess that you've made. Like, it's tough. And then this Netflix opportunity got presented.

And originally it was supposed to be me sitting down with Rachel and basically having a heart to heart about like what happened. Because I didn't know, right? Like I have never even talked to this woman before. I got a call from Rachel and she was in tears and she goes, I just don't know how you do it, Alexis. I just don't know how you face it. I don't know how you let the weight of all of that. It feels like it's, you know, and I'm crying because I know that the weight of this, the fear of this, the pressure of this, the depression of this, the anxiety. of this, the impact of this, the weight of this. And she goes, I don't think I can do it. I don't think

I'm ready. I feel like I'm just going to be crushed under the weight of all of this. And I don't think I can do it. And I said, I respect your decision. And she bowed out. So she's not in the documentary. She's not in the documentary. And she just was like, I don't think. She's like, I'm just getting on my feet again. And I, and I haven't even, she's just, she's just beginning healing. she was saying from serving her in time and all the things and she was just like I can't and her boss didn't even know he knows now all of the details but she came clean to him about who she was and all of the things but whole I mean it was heavy there for a second I was like girl like I can't I can't show you how I've done it but I can't get you through like this is it because it really is

it's a solo mission it's like a dark night of the soul like you have to turn over every stone and look at everything. And so I respect like where she's at on her healing journey too because you guys have both been through heavy things. You know how hard it is to face them. And you know the freedom and relief that's on the other side. And I wish I could show her that. I wish I could show every person suffering that, that there's freedom on the other side. But I don't, I don't know if she'll get there. I mean, you tried to tell me for years and I just still wasn't ready. Like I was still so afraid. I'm still so afraid of when my mother-in-law hears this. Yeah.

I mean, of what her family is going to think of me. But they already know that your family was obviously involved in this lingering and all of that. Like, that's not new news. No, but I was definitely pinned as the black sheep, the problem child, the identified patient. Oh, she's the problem. Everyone else is fine, you know?

Like it, and that's never the case, right? like it's a family disease. It's a family dysfunctional thing. And so, you know. But here's the thing is you're keeping that part of yourself trapped. It's not them. It's not how anyone, because once you come to terms with the truth of who you are as a human being outside of that incident, like that was an incident. Yeah. Right? We can't be tethered to incidents the rest of our lives. And you're holding yourself to that and you're choosing to suffer over it and it's not setting Rachel free or Paris Hill. These people are setting themselves free doing their own work, right? And the minute that you go into forgiving yourself for this, because you're not serving

anyone. Yeah. The moment you own that, you can look anyone in the face and say what you did and own it with dignity and integrity because you don't have to tether yourself to a 15-year-old version of yourself anymore. And that's, so this morning my mom calls me and she's like, can you do an exercise with me? And, you know, me being me, I'm like, oh, God, okay, no. But then I was like, no, you're going to do it. Open up a little bit, Gabby. So I do the exercise.

And we get to the end. goes, so what's the mantra? And I said, it just like clicked and I said, I'm not that little girl anymore. And it was like, that was my aha moment. Like I have not had that yet. And I still, I have so much to do on my healing journey. And I know that outside of this, you know. But thank you. Thank you for allowing me to be here because you so wrong I feel like but you are you're helping me move past my own shit and um I

I hope so because I have to tell you like I said I let the actual incidents go so long ago and it's so important for you and as a mother that you fully let go because now you are not that little girl you have your little girl And it's so important because it's not going to do any good and it's not going to make you feel good.

And there's no point really to hold on to something that even if you're worried because it was me, what I'm telling you, I let it go so long ago. And I want you to know that. And there's obviously, it'll always be triggering for me when the bling ring comes up or another fucking thing comes out and it's glorified in any way because people will, really personally affected by these incidents and it is more about violation than the actual things taken sure some very sentimental things but it's important to move forward in life and forgiveness to a certain degree is always the best way and the best move because why hold on to those things that make you feel really shitty yeah and also that's what you have a daughter

I have a son and a daughter. Right. And so one of my favorite things is more is caught than taught. So you can teach them anything under the sun. That's not how we learn. We learn by watching. Yeah, which is why I'm here. Exactly. Yeah. And I'm sure your husband, once you came clean, did he, I mean, you know what I mean? Like, but just see the reactions you're getting to it. So it's all these things that you're building up inside yourself that don't need to be there. Totally. And it's true. But, um, I'm sorry those other people are saying your lines. They know that's the hard part of it. That's shitty because you're just being honest. No other reason than to just be honest. Why would someone make that up? I don't understand that. But that doesn't even affect me that much.

It's just because of my own personal trauma, since I was a little girl, I have not been accepted. And so I've tried to people please my whole life. And so then I do the worst thing, as it. human, in my opinion, right, to somebody else. And then I feel like I have scarlet letter. Like, I already had a scarlet letter because I came from the Nyer's family. And then, I mean, and then I do something so awful. And I've already just been hated. I have been hated my entire life by the community that we lived in because we didn't fit in because this and that. So, you know, you just...

Isn't it interesting, though? And I would just offer this to you, Gabby, and this is just my lived experience, that the things in the belief systems that we develop in early childhood, the things that imprint on us, we continuously in our adult lives or in late teen years or whatever it might be,

are presented with these situations, which then reaffirms, affirm our belief system or the thing that happened. And the only way to heal them is to look at them and to go within and to get clear on, you know, that you made a mistake. You're not a mistake. This is what happened. This is what we can do to set it right. And then to let go of that. So that way, we don't have to keep bringing in experiences in our lives that reaffirm those belief systems that we've developed about ourselves. And so I would just offer to you, here now. You've made an amends. You've said you're sorry. You've owned up to your part. You, again,

you're not a mistake. You made a mistake. You don't need to have some scar letter just because some people are going to have opinions about this. And you have every ability and right to have this closure and to move on. And I would just offer that to you because it's too heavy to carry this for the rest of your life. It's a lot of energy. I'm telling you, you definitely. doesn't need to be there. I'm fine. I have a beautiful child. I have a beautiful home. I have things in it that I will not let you guys ever see. But like, no, I'm just saying like I let it go a long time ago. I appreciate that. And honestly, I know that this will be such a huge turning point in my life. Good. And I'm thankful that you have given us this opportunity because

You know, so parts of me still feel like that little girl, you know, and I know that I hold on to her because I feel guilt and shame. And, you know, even when we did the live, I was like, oh, you know, I can't forgive myself. I can't. It's just because part of me also feels like if I forgive myself, then I'm losing some sort of integrity. I don't know. Anyways, I am going to continue to do the work. I will never stop the work.

And I'm grateful for it as well. And also self-forgiveness doesn't let you off the hook, right? Like, you're allowed to forgive yourself and then still be in integrity with that choice. Just because you forgive yourself doesn't mean you're going to do it again or doesn't mean that you're condoning what you did. You know, there's been things in my life when I was drinking, like, and I've talked about this, like, slept with people that I shouldn't have that really hurt people. And it's like that. Don't laugh. Shut up. I know what you're thinking. But like the punishment I gave to myself at a certain point I had to free myself of. And if anyone wants to be still mad at that, that's their work. Right. And the truth too is that like the story of being hated is that 15 year old story. Right. And I'm a firm believer of yes, you are not that little girl anymore. But that little girl.

needs you as this version more than it needs anything in the world. And so it's not about, I am not that person anymore, get rid of her. It's can you now be the woman and the mom that can look at her and be like, babe? Yeah. It's okay. And there's a lot of outside opinions and voices. And I can relate to that, even with doing this interview where like even my mom was like, what? You know, because her ring was stolen, right? And, and I, and then she comes back because

she's very spiritual, enlightened woman and was like, no, forgiveness is the most important thing, right? Like, you don't, there's feelings and there's things surrounding things. And even like people might, you know, there might be noise, but it's really just about, it's your choice and it's your actions. And that's all that matters. Yeah. And I mean, truthfully, I won't hear any of the noise because I don't, I mean, I participate in social media a very small, little. bubble. But yeah, the outside opinion doesn't matter. Truthfully, the only thing that has ever mattered to me is, is you and the way that I affected your life. And that's all that's ever mattered to me. And that's all that I've held on to, you know, and obviously I knew that doing this,

I was probably going to get a lot of scrutiny, which is so weird that I'm not. I don't see it as, I don't... Doing this actual moment? No, no, no, no. Confessing to this and then to have it be taken back. It was just so weird. It's like, I'm trying to own it and I'm not being allowed to own it. Well, you are.

You're sitting here right now with the only fucking person that matters in this incident. Right. So it doesn't matter what anyone else says. So I want to tell you, I do appreciate it. And I hope you can let it go now. Because you're a good person. Rachel. I was going to say like I just want to acknowledge the amount of strength of, I mean, everyone in this room, but especially you, because, you know, I, I can't imagine, you know,

I recently was in a really challenging situation where one of my perpetrators came back into my life and I couldn't face them. I had, I left. I couldn't do it. And, and I know how difficult that is. And I just want to thank you for being able to sit in the discomfort of this and to be so open-minded and so graceful. And it's just honestly incredible. And I'm just, I'm honored to have had this conversation. And, you know, I'm proud of Gabby. And I'm glad that Rachel has someone as supportive and in her corner as you. It's a really beautiful thing to witness.

Thank you. I really do appreciate all. of that. And I have to tell you guys, you get older, I have been through some shit in my life, man, and there's nothing you can't survive. I agree. Maybe that's the takeaway for everyone on this podcast. There is nothing you can't survive. It's true. There is. And also, I think it brings a real attention to the fact that, like, you know, what the media does, what press does, all of that can be incredibly damaging and toxic. And, you know, there's so many young girls that look up to that.

And they're like, I just want to be famous and Instagram. And it's like there's a real mental health issue that's attached to that that needs to be discussed. And it takes people like you guys in the public eye to bring some sort of humanity to the situation and not just let it be this like glamorized, you know, media story. but really a story of humans forgiving themselves and others. Yeah. I will continue to not watch anything or read anything, but I do feel better today at least having sat down and had this conversation.

So thank you for coming and being open. And Gabby, I really do hope you start to move forward. Thank you. Thank you. I will. Yeah. Do it. I will. No, I really will.

I really will. I will. about Rachel anymore. She's freed you of that. And don't you feel some sort of, do you feel relief? I do. I do. And then, you know, there's that part of me that's like, well, that's selfish. But yeah, I need to do the work outside. We're going to keep doing some reprogramming around this stuff. I know I need to. I know I need to. And I know when I'm in here, I probably look like this scared little girl. But outside of this, you know, I am a mother and a wife and so much more than this experience. and I'm grateful for, I am grateful for who I am.

I know I'm a good person. I love me. I do. I just, that part of me needs, she needs some love too. Yeah, there you go. That's the truth. And, you know, I feel like you're lucky that you had this opportunity today. Yeah.

Because that must be a fucking horrible thing to hold on to for that many years. Yeah. When Alexis got the DM and said, would you like to come on? The first thing that came out of my mouth was, I really want to go. And she said, okay, well, hold on. Let's just see. And I said, please, like, please, I want to go. I need to go.

So thank you. That was your first. Yeah, you're welcome. Now, when you ran into Rachel, was she wearing a Chanel bag? That was great. No, she's good. She's very simple, simple life, simple woman now. And, you know, I hope everyone heals.

And I'm really sorry you didn't get your things back. I am. Yeah, I'm kind of now hearing that everyone got their shit back. I know. But most people. I'm really sorry that that happened. I really am. And I'm sorry that I gave your jeans to Goodwill.

I am. You know what? Hearing that they went there feels a little bit better. Can someone else just flot them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I never, I never, I never fit in your shit. The second that I even saw that in my house, I was like, I'm not a 23.

Oh my God. I know. They're really teeny. But I was, I was a size five shoe before having my kid. And that I didn't understand. I was like, who the fuck is wearing a size size. Rachel. Does she have a size five?

She does, right? Yeah, she's a very small fun. So that's a very small girl. Damn. Mystery solved. Fuck, man I know Whatever

I like, you know Anyway Okay Rob is there anything You'd like to add What did he just mumble back then? He just went around He gave the thumbs up

No we're good Thank you Sharing a microphone With someone You don't think you could catch something Let's start this with this We just finished Rachel doesn't like to share microphones

Ever I don't like to share anything. Do you know my biggest pet peeve is? It's her eye. It's my wandering eye. Please. Because I want to be able to look at you and I can't. That one's so dirty though. I don't really want. You guys, I'm serious though. We're going to start with this germ thing because it came up.

My biggest pet peeve is when I have a boyfriend, partner, whatever. And they are willing. I hate partners. I hate having a boyfriend. And they want to or ask to or ever willing to share. Share my toothbrush. Yeah, that's disgusting. That's disgusting.

We've talked about this, haven't we? I don't think so much. We have because we don't like it when people eat our cereal. No. Sharing cereal, soup, or toothbrushes are disgusting. Oh, I share soup with Jeff. No, it's slurping. It's the same with cereal.

It's like... I can see that being gross. Okay. Yeah, but like if Jeff wants a bite of my soup, I'm fine with that. I mean, yes. More fine with giving a bite of my soup than my cereal. Cereals like... No, no.

No. Dry cereal? No, in a bowl with milk. We don't... I only... I think we have talked about this. You only eat dry cereal? I eat mine with oatmeal.

Yeah, mine's always dry. I don't... Well, I don't eat breakfast or cereal almost ever. He eats macha. Okay. But if I'm going to have cereal, it's going to be dry. What kind of cereal dry? We've had...

I know, but I need to hear it again. There's like checks mix, maybe? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just the regular checks. Rice check. Yeah. Not wheat checks. Not corn checks.

Correct. Rice checks. Yeah, but toothbrose disgusting. Disgusting. I wouldn't share it to the shit anyway. Like, I would throw away a brush and never use it again. Yeah. That grosses me up, you don't believe.

Yeah, it's despicable. To anyone that does it, you're gross, according to Rachel. Can I say I've never done it, though? No. I've done it. You've used a toothbrush? I think I've, like, had to for some reason. That gross.

You know? Yeah. me the heby-jee. Can you sit over there now? I mean, it's been yours. Okay, so going into that, like, you know, did you walk us through? First of all, Rob had us make an entrance like we were entering a fight, like we should have had music going and like a hype team behind us.

Justin Bieber, we tried to get him. I wanted to get on the recording, you guys meeting. Sure. So we're at Rob's house, I would like to say. So if it sounds better, that's why. Funny enough, though, my house is very close to where your house was. So we're literally down the street from the house I lived in when I was robbed multiple times by the blingering. You know what was really hard was walking into that and not being able to, like, be ourselves. Right.

Because we're both typically very nice when we meet people. Absolutely. I feel like you both did a good job. getting there. Well, normally we're huggers and hi and Gabby had her baby here. Like for us to not go meet a baby, that took everything in me. Yeah. We didn't go meet the baby. You know why? We had boundaries. Yeah. I'm proud of us.

It so goes against my nature. Those were very forced boundaries. Same. It goes against everything in me. Yeah. Like I wanted to be, because she was, she had a timer and it was like, oh, I'm like, oh, you need to go breastfeed. Bring the baby. I wanted to be like, does she want my boob? Yeah, like bring the baby in, breastfeed, it's fine. Yeah, I know. I know.

It was, like, it was like. Yeah, you gave her a dirty look and told her turn her phone fucking off. Yeah. Yeah, that happened. I had to say that. You slapped it out of her hands and you said that baby will eat when we're finished. Rob was very, so it's really funny. Recording in Rob's house, Rob has his own like Howard Stern, VJ, like vestibule on the other side.

I couldn't see you or hear you. He was like, I just, I heard him like chiming away on the keyboard playing Dungeons and Dragons. I don't know what you were doing, but he was doing something over there. He is the Wizard of Broads. Rachel came up with that and I got to say we need to give her credit. Pretty good. I don't think we, yeah, I don't think we give Rachel enough credit. Oh.

Here he goes. Ever. Rob this morning. Okay, I've been dealing with anxiety lately and we pick up Rob. to go to his favorite Macha place in Los Phyllis. And I'm driving

and Rob's like there's a parking spot. So let's set this up properly. It's street cleaning day. So the other side of the street is totally empty. All the other cars are packed on the other side.

So I know it's gonna be very hard to find a parking spot. Well, you were wrong. I was wrong, but it's normally very hard to find parking over there. He insists that I have to get my car, my too big of car,

in this too small of spot, okay? I like that me having confidence that you can park in a small spot is a bad thing. It was too small for my car. No, no, I saw it. I was starting to have an actual panic attack for a minute because I was like, why are we doing this? Like, why can't we just park in an appropriate spot?

We spent a solid like 10 minutes. No. It's like, I could do it. I'll do it. He's like, let me do it. I'll get out of the car and direct you. It was like the anxiety level. And especially going into this.

this interview, we were a little bit more, like, we don't typically have anxiety going into interviews. And Rob's like, today is a day you will get that big old car in this little spot. I'm forcing you to parallel park on a one-way street uphill. I was kidding. You would have fit, for the record. Would it fit, like literally bumper to bumper? Yeah. I would not have been able to get out once I was in. I thought we were done with this. I thought we said we were going to leave that parking spot behind us and move on. So then we pull out and there's a parking spot right there. You know what?

Which is in theme with putting things behind us and moving on. That's right. What a metaphor. Yeah, I actually, Gabby clearly has struggled with this secret she has kept for many years. All I wanted to do was like comfort her. I know. It's okay. Like let it go, you know?

Like, that's like the bigger lesson as far as her personal thing with this is. and it's crazy to me to face any of it because I have stayed so far away and so distant from it because I don't like to put any energy towards it. It's like, you know, it was a crazy thing that happened. I don't love that it's been so publicized for so many years

and like so many movies and documentaries and articles and it's like, okay, like can't we all just fucking move on? Yeah, but it's, yeah, I think that's the, gross part is that it's been glorified in this way. Yeah. And like, you know, I think it's good that you've stayed away from it because I don't think you need to support all of that. I really knew nothing beyond snippets from that original Vanity Fair article where like the girl shit in my bathroom and they went into my house five times. And I obviously knew what was taken from me because it was everything. Right. But aside from that, it was kind of nice not knowing anything.

When I see blingering, do I roll my eyes? Sure. Because like, okay. You know? Yeah. And like, do I feel like the main girl who served three years? Yeah, I'm sure that was hard for her. But also, maybe you shouldn't have shit in my house.

Or broke into it. Or taking over $200,000 worth of stuff from you. I mean, look at choices, consequences. You know what I mean? Like three years in prison. No, I can't imagine what that's like. I can't even. fathom that. But that's what you get

when you break into people's homes. Right. Right. Is that right, Olivia? I don't know. Do you want to talk about your brother at all? I mean, I'm fine talking about my brother. He's in jail for going into someone's house. You know,

I think more talk about relating to being young and partying in L.A. and all the things that came along with that. You have more instances than I do that are relatable and, like, fucked up. Mm-hmm. You know? Right.

That's what I was saying to you is that, like, it almost, when I was watching the documentary, though, I was kind of like that could have been us. You know what I'm saying? Like, it wasn't that far from my reality of, like, going out and being here. Oh, I never. No, I know. One thing I ever stole was a ring from, like, a Claire's boutique, and I returned it. And you also.

It was like a week ago. You also weren't getting blackout drunk. Like, you never had an addiction problem. You were never out there, like... Yes. It was less relatable for me. It was super relatable for me. I know.

And even the upbringing, like, childhood stuff? Yeah, it was very different. Like, I didn't have anything in the entertainment industry. Like, my mom wasn't trying to, you know. But your search for fame was the same, right? My thirst for fame. She was in a... Fuck.

A music video? All American Rejects music video? No. Some 41. Some 41? No. Story of the year. No. What was it? You know what I found out the other day? It was... What's her? Simple plan? Simple plan. Motion City soundtrack. Dustin, the casting director told me, do you know why they chose me for Simple Plan video? Because you looked like his girlfriend?

No. They wanted Rachel. And I was pitched as someone similar to Rachel. I didn't get that call. Just because you were friends? No, they didn't know I was friends with her. It's a vibe thing, Rob. Aren't you picking it up? So clearly, you guys were trying to do the same thing. Yeah, but here's the difference.

Like, when we asked them the question, like, did you want to be famous? Do you want to be famous? Do you want to be famous? I believe that Gabby wants no part of any of it. Uh-huh. I do too. You know? Yeah, she went on live, but her part was cut out of the documentary.

she was like ready to come forward. I don't get why they would take that out. I don't either. I don't understand. There's like things I don't understand. Whatever drama he said, she said. I guess. I guess there's a lot of drama behind the scenes.

I don't know. I didn't watch it as we know. I don't know anything about it. Have you seen in the Netflix documentary? But I do feel like she's more of like the wallflower. And I feel like her sister is more like living out loud, you know? Yeah. So.

I think you sign up for a reality show. But they were also kids, dude. And they were poor. And they were, and she was an addict and needed money. So who knows? I don't know. I mean, we all can take their word at face value. But like, you know what I mean?

Well, I think that, and one of the things that I would have told her if we had more time is that I think that once her daughter's 15, she's going to have a much better understanding of what a child that is. Yes. totally well we're so you know we're so much older but we actually how old are they i don't even know we are but looking at her as like a 41 year old mother i'm like honey like 15 like babe let it go yeah let it go yeah it's okay should we play the frozen song now snow bus where's Kristen well she doesn't sing that but she could yeah but it's you know I think it's also hard because there's the part of us that was, how old were we when that happened? Was it sick that I wanted her to like literally go step by step?

Okay, and then you walked? Did you go through my backyard? Did you go through the gate? Like, wanting every detail of like that night? I don't think that's sick. It's not sick, but that wasn't the right memory of your closet. No. Well, what was confusing?

Because at the time... It was a bedroom turned into a closet. There was a bedroom, but I also did. have a closet in my actual bedroom that was like that wall you know that's right that's right that's right and that was walking straight you're right it was walking straight but it was all like white like you know California closet vibe like like like not what you know like Ikea like white what do you call that like shell particle board yeah particle yeah oh you know like built in like that it was definitely not wooden the floors were like a dark wood yeah anyway I mean

Four duffel bags? But I'm like, but what were the duffel bags? They were their duffel bags, I'm sure. Oh. Okay. You don't have a collection of duffel bags? I mean, I probably did. Duffel bags?

No, definitely not. But you know, everyone got their shit back. Yeah, I didn't know that. That just fucking sucks, man. That does suck. Like, why? Well, then you wouldn't have learned that lesson. I wonder if, like, Orlando and Pair, or whoever, got all their stuff back and they

were able to like really let it go and just like it didn't even the whole robbery obviously aside from the material possessions that were taken and we touched on this a lot it's the violation and betrayal i've had close people to me take from me before and relationships were never the same after so you think as a result of this having happened to you no this was before Yeah. This was before. Why do people, why do people always take from me? I don't think the bling ring took from you because your nature is forgiving. Like they didn't know that. I think they liked your shoe size and your style.

Could you imagine? She's like, you know what? I see in 15 years, she'll forgive me. I can sit down with this person and she's nice and she's going to forgive me. Isn't that? It must feel like a weird dream to Gabby. Like holding that in the whole time. I know, and like sitting with me and talking to me. Like me, I'm like, you know, it's not going to, it's, I feel for her so much, you know. And like, obviously my life has not, this has not been a big part of my life for the past 10 years. It's like when it comes up or a movie's made or whatever, I'm like, ah, this again, you know. But I also think they have a different version of what, and I wish I would have brought that up, but it didn't come to me until right now is,

they think it took away this like huge part of safety in your life. I'm like I sold my house. Anyone knew you too? Like the truth of the matter is I remember you would start going out of town at that point. And I would stay at your house when you would leave town because you were like, I don't really feel comfortable leaving my house like alone after that happened. And I would stay there with insert random boyfriend. And wasn't Leah living with me?

me? She was, but like, I remember, like, Leah wasn't around. Like, I remember quite a few times you being like, can you just stay there? And I was like, I would stay there with like a boyfriend or whatever. Just to make sure, like, you weren't going to get robbed again. What was the, but she, here's the thing about Rachel that people don't know is that she can be really strong and kind of cut off from things and not play into the emotional aspect. Like, you were not some, like, I'm never going to get my safety back. Like, you were like, it's a bird. You were like...

Have we ever told that bird story? Because we reference it a lot. I hope that we never do. And we just always are like, it's a bird. It's just a bird. But, like, I remember feeling scared to stay there and you being like, to me, like, man, it's fine. Like, it was a bunch of, like, kids.

Like, you know, like you... It felt less threatening once you. You knew it was just kids stealing because it was... That's what I'm saying. Like, me and my stuff or whatever. But I do remember being like, I want to sell my house. Yeah, you want to sell your house. Because of that.

I mean, that definitely was motivation. Like, nah, I don't want to live there anymore. No, that was before we knew who had done it. And I just thought I was, like, brutally robbed, except TVs and stuff were still there. We're so, so weird. That's the part you kind of understand. that it wasn't these like big intimidating men because they would have taken like... They were going to kill me.

Yeah, the TVs and like my car. Was I living with Leah? Maybe. Were you... I don't think she was gone. I don't think Leo was living with you at that point. She says she was. Yeah.

I remember staying there a lot when you'd be gone and you'd be like, can you stay there? Yeah. So you had no like emotional impact? what was the aftermath for you that you remember? Like, were you afraid you're going to get robbed all the time? You didn't you put in security systems? No, clearly not because I got robbed again. No, I don't, I, it's hard to explain my personality.

I mean, I get that. Like, let's be real, I don't think Rachel shed a tear. I don't think you shut a tear. There's a toughness. Hold on it. There's a toughness, but it doesn't. doesn't mean that I wasn't fucking upset or pissed or I was angry. That's what I want to hear. Yeah.

About how. I was fucking angry. They literally took anything and everything of value aside from large electronics from my house and my life. Like, where all your clothes gone? Anything that was worth something. So did you have to like go buy a whole new wardrobe after this? I had to start from scratch. Yeah, for sure.

Like, I definitely... Is that exciting? You were like, oh, I'm going to buy a bunch of new clothes? Amy, no. Kind of. No, but no, I wasn't... During the O.C. And, like, the heyday of, like, people getting gifted things.

Like, I definitely had a very nice collection of things that I worked on for years, whether I bought it or was gifted it or went to something and that's just, you know. And all of it was gone. Yeah. And that's like a collection. Fucked up. Of any kind. You know, like you collect something for years. And that made you less sentimental.

Yes. Towards material. Did that bleed into anything else outside of that? Or like if it's been weird now having a daughter and not being sentimental about objects. Well, I keep all every single thing. I'm like, well, she shat this onesie and I cannot get rid of it because it was the day she whatever. So it hasn't affected your

sentimental attachment to... No. I think she has a difference between sentimental and material. Right. Right. Like material, yes. It hasn't broken you.

That's not why you're so cold now. Why? We want to know. Why are you so cold? No, I think, you know, life creates a harsh exterior sometimes for personal things you go through.

Material things are something I have learned the hard way to detach from before that were you then would you say you were materialistic like what did it hold a lot of weight or you still didn't really care that much i got excited you loved your things that you collected i really do love clothes and like like just it's like a passion like i love fashion like i love fashion obviously but you're like any new clothes too why do you say obviously fuck because you're fashion i shut up is it because you're a fashion is it because you're a

fashion icon. Fuck you guys, man. No, I just, I really like clothes. I always did. I was an asshole in preschool. I made my best friend cry. My poor mother. Her mother had to go to my mom and be like, your daughter told my kid she can only wear dresses to school. Like, why was I such a bully? That's so mean. But I really liked clothes. And I was like, that's cute. You should wear that. Yeah. I'm kind of an asshole. Because of one thing that happened to you in kindergarten? thinking about it and having a kid, like if a mom came to me, I would feel really bad. Remember the advice you gave to Gabby? Yeah.

Yeah. But here's the thing is that I think that you've always loved fashion and clothes and all of that stuff. However, strangely, you're not materialistic. Yeah. Do you get what I mean? Yeah. Hmm. Like you don't want to be friends with people.

You're not an opportunist. You're not like trying to be friends. Like, me, me, me. No, I don't care about any of the shiny things. That's what I'm saying. Like, the shininess to the things. I just like things. Yeah.

Like, it can be a $5 bag, then I'm like, oh my God, I'm obsessed with that. Or it could be like a $500, whatever. How much did that cost? That was actually on sale, Rob. I'll have you know. No, I don't.

I don't, I don't spend that kind of money on things. You know, I just, maybe that is part of it. Someone's at the door. Is that our food? Is that our food? Maybe our food. Tacos have arrived. Anyway, I don't know.

I don't know. Am I just like a shut off person in life? Maybe. Well, no, I do think sometimes you do not get overly emotional about things that other people might. You know what I mean? Am I wrong? Like I could see if someone else got robbed, they'd be like, I'm never going to feel safe in my home.

You were just like, eh, mawam, ma'am, ma'am, going to have to sell the house and move on. I think I can move on maybe too easily sometimes. I agree. Is that a defense mechanism? I don't know. But I know when Olivia was done with her long-term boyfriend,

I'm like, you're over it. It's done. Like, and she was still so heartbroken, but I knew it was over. And I was like, yeah, I just know it's over. Like, you're done. Move on. Yeah.

I think that sometimes you have that. I am very in touch with my emotion. I can communicate them and I am very emotional at times. But, like, I think I just, I don't know what that's about. This is, like, deep, like... I don't think it's about you not being in touch with your emotions. I think certain things that would make certain people emotional don't land on you. It's because my dad was never there.

I'm kidding. That's what it is. Yeah, I don't know what that's about. I think I can just attach easily. Yeah, that's all. Well, I was proud that you talked to them today. Thanks, Rob. Hey!

Hey, Rob! Thanks. It was hard not to be really nice. I know. But, like, also... It's hard not to be nice. It's just hard not to be nice. That's like a really uncomfortable situation to be in when you naturally are a nice person.

You should just pretend they were me. I was just going to say... I don't know what you both are talking about. You seem to do an okay job. I'm not being nice. We should share with our listeners some of these behind-the-scenes videos of Rob. Absolutely. Who he really is and how he really is.

The Wizard of Broads behind the seat. You guys, if we, like, pull back that curtain. Everybody knows now. We're out of the email. Did you do your hair for this today, Rob? No. Were you excited to meet? I haven't worn out the last, like, four times we've recorded.

It's pretty. And you've asked me that each time. Oh gosh. Well, it felt like a therapy session all around. What did you think? Who? Rob. I want to know what your thoughts are. I said I was proud of Rachel for doing that. And I think it was more for them than it was for her, clearly, because she's dead inside. I will say I did not feel emotional.

At all. No. Zero. What did I get? Something I was like. It's more anger and annoyance. You know what I mean? it is material things. It's not like someone harmed a family member of mine or like you know, it's fucked up about my mom's ring, but like she's been married three times. Like, which ring was it?

I'm just kidding. See? This is Rachel. I'm just kidding. Wait, which ring was it? It was from her first husband. Oh. Did he die? No. No. And not your dad. No. No.

Okay. Who cares? No, but it was, you know, it was whatever. All right, well, let's go eat lunch. Let's go eat tacos. On that note, guys, the bling ring, I'd call it a TKO. You've been blinged. You've been blunged.

Do you feel any less trigger around it? Here's what's hard. They really weren't that involved with me personally. So there's still a detachment there. So I could just talk to them and, you know, Gabby went in that one night. She's been tormented by it. Like this poor 15-year-old girl, I'm like, God, go easy on yourself. Like, you took, like.

Yeah, you don't have full closure without. You need the other two probably hold more weight in it. Well, yeah, they did the whole thing. And the girl literally took all of my things, that other girl. That's going to be like, I don't want to sit down face-to-face and talk to you because, like, I don't need that for me. You know, if that would be for her. And I don't feel the need, like, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Like, it's way in the past. I let it go a long time ago. I don't feel the need to, like, sit down with this person. If they feel they need it for closure, I don't feel the need to do that. I see that this girl was hurting and had this, like, secret. And it's like, oh, my goodness. It does seem, though, like, that one has remorse as well and is trying to move on from it.

Alexis? No, Rachel. Oh, oh, oh. I feel like the other girl did try to get through it and get past it. Based on what Alexis said. Yeah. Do you think it would have still been different? She's at in her life.

I don't know. And look, I hope everyone can just move on and people are okay and whatever. But I don't, it's different. It's not like the other two that actually did all of that. We're sitting here with us. Right. They were more the masterminds. See, it seems like it from what they're saying, right?

Right. I like to stay removed, like I said. Well, he's saying it too in a documentary, by the way. Oh, he is? Oh, yeah. And I hope that Gabby can find some peace because, like, goodness, you know, let's, I hope for her sake. Because I really do feel for her in this. Like, that's, you don't want to hold on to that.

It's pointless. Yeah. It's not doing you any good. It's not setting you free. It's not giving you your jeans back. No, and she gave them to goodwill. Or my shelter? I think she said both, so I don't know where they went exactly, but they were donated.

Hopefully they're nicer jeans than you weren't today. I was going to say if your jeans, here's the deal. Listen. Like, they didn't get your original Levi's. You still have those. Yeah, so. You may be brought them with you. They maybe were with me.

Right? Maybe they were with you. What were they giving away like Frankie B's? Like, what were we wearing at the time? Yeah, like I was kind of thinking of that. Drunk of that too. Drunko? Hudson.

Like Hudson. Junko like the big ones. Yeah. But I do have a pair of Levi's. I've had since I was 13 years old that are vintage Levi's that are still in my closet. So they must have been with me. Or they didn't know. That would have been hard.

See? That's what I'm saying. When I'm 13 years old, like my favorite Levi's from when I was 13, if those had been stolen. Those were what were going through my head. These. Oh, yeah. You still love those. Oh my God.

No. But that's what was going through my head as I was like, they didn't get those Levi's. Right. Like, there's certain ones, you know. Mm-hmm. Interesting. Because, like, to this day, I have my sentimental Levi's. Like, I feel like, I would be bummed.

I would be bummed. Yeah. But you have to let everything, all the material things go. Marie Kondo that. You got to thank them and send them on their way. Yeah. I'm not sending my Levi's. That's one thing I have a rule with myself. I never get rid of Levi's. Well. What kind of tacos did we get? Let's go find out.

Sonorita. Okay. I'm hungry. That was a hate gum podcast.