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Episode Date: November 29, 2024

This week, we’ve got something special for you. It’s time to head back to the Jeffersonian with Emily Deschanel and Carla Gallo, hosts of Boneheads, the ultimate insider rewatch of one of the longest-running primetime dramas in TV history—Bones.In Boneheads, Emily and Carla, who became besties on set, take you behind the scenes of one of TV’s longest-running primetime dramas. They’re ready to walk you through each episode, share hilarious behind-the-scenes stories, and give you all the details on how Bones came together.In it, Emily spills all the juicy details of the Bones audition process and reveals how she landed the role of Dr. Temperance Brennan. Meanwhile, Carla takes us on a hilarious tour of the pilot’s sexiest moments. If you want to hear more episodes, search for Boneheads wherever you get your podcasts. If you’re hooked and want to hear more, search for Boneheads wherever you get your podcasts or click here.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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the ultimate insider rewatch of Bones, hosted by Emily Deschanel and Carla Gallo, who you may remember from their recent guest spot on our show. In Boneheads, Emily and Carla, who became besties on set, take you behind the scenes of one of TV's longest-running primetime dramas. they're ready to walk you through each episode, share hilarious behind-the-scenes stories, and give you all the details on how Bones came together.

Right now, we're going to play you the very first episode of Boneheads. In it, Emily spills all the juicy details of the Bones audition process and reveals how she landed the role of Dr. Temperance Brennan. Meanwhile, Carla takes us on a hilarious tour of the pilot's sexiest moments. If you want to hear more episodes, search for Boneheads wherever, you get your podcasts or click on the link in the episode notes. Hello, is this thing on? All right.

All right. Is this it? We're doing it. Are you ready? I'm right. I know I'm not, but let's do it. Okay. This is exciting.

I'm Emily DeChanel. I'm Carla Gallo. And this is Bonehead's podcast. So this is the Bones rewatch podcast where we're going to go back, watch episodes of the show. Reminise. Reminise. Criticise. Go on tangents.

Go on so many tangents, I'm sure. That's my fave. We both have acted on the show. There's 246 episodes. I did all. I mean, now that sounds like I'm bragging, but I did do all of them. You never missed a one. Never missed a one even.

Wow. They just took it off when I had a baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That shows how much you were needed. Exactly. Exactly. And Carla. was in many, many episodes.

Nine seasons. In nine episodes. No, but I will say I meant to look up how many episodes I was in. I thought I had done like 50. Yeah, that's what my guess is. It's like 30 or something. It's like 35.

Just say it's 50. Round it up to 50. It's basically, I would guess it was 50. No. Yeah, 33. Oh, how brutal is that? It's a nice number though. It's a nice number, but I feel like I was there.

I mean, I feel like I was there for a hundred. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. No, I loved being there. I very, very, very, very, very much loved being there. Oh, I should add, I was Daisy Wick. In case anyone is listening and they're like, who the hell is Carla Gallo? Yeah. She played Daisy Wick.

I played Daisy Wick. One of the Squinturns. You came in in season four, I believe. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. And how would you describe Daisy to anyone who doesn't know Daisy? Rick already. I would describe Daisy as just an absolutely over-eager bundle of energy, rabid fan of

Dr. Brennan's, a protege, if you will. Menty. Yes, actually, mentee. A stalker, single-weight female, and a future lover of Lance Sweens. And I'm Emily and I played Temperance Brennan on the show. Anyone who's tuning in that doesn't know that you played temper and sprennan should probably find a different podcast. No, no, no, no, no, no. We welcome everyone. Okay. Carla, we want everyone.

Even people who don't even know what bones is. We want them to listen. Carla, we're not turning on. Okay. People who were tuning in because they thought it was a show discussing the bones in the body. Yeah. Should still tune. For the song, Bones by Imagine Dragons.

Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, so we were friends. We should we talk about, should we mention that maybe? We're friends. We became friends from doing the show. Yes. But it turned out that two of our best friends are also best friends.

And so we like to say that our best friends are best friends. Our friends being best friends caused us to become super close friends because we all dinner together. We started doing these dinners together. And at our most recent Forsome dinner, I essentially got shushed. I got shushed. Oh, yes, you did. You did.

And you know what? And not by a member of our table. Oh, no, no. By the next table over. Yes. And I just want to say that the proof of our friendship, our sisterhood, is that all the ladies really came to my defense

and kind of gave it back to him. And I was really like, listen, I was still mortified that I had been shushed. But I really was, and I was discussing, I'm just gonna, this is a tangent, so I'm gonna do it. I was discussing how Clea and I had a love scene in Carnival. And how she was licking my nipple in the love scene.

And I got loud about it because I think I was very, I just felt very animated. And I was like, yes. It is. Like, if he would have just listened in, he would have had a great story of me talking about. He might have, like, he might have really enjoyed the content. Maybe he was very disturbed by such conversation. There's so many conversations that would be very awkward to come upon on any of our conversations.

I mean, in fact, I will say I, I'm not, I might have, because I wasn't the person being shushed, though, so I recognize that. My privilege in the situation. But the last time we had dinner in the same spot. Yeah? Another person overheard our conversation and then started... That was me again. That was me.

And started like really budding into our conversation and like new stuff about what you're talking about and that was kind of... I was talking about the location for Platonic. I was talking about the location of the mansion that we shot at and he was like, I know that house. I was the man. I was the location of man. I was like, oh, no, I've said a lot of maybe you want him to hear.

No, you're listening. Yeah. So I need to pipe it down is the point. But I guess, no, but that's, but that is the point in that we love talking. Yes. Both of us are talk. We love talking to each other. It's hard for us to get off the phone.

Correct. We love to talk sometimes loudly. Yeah. Both of us talk loudly. It's true. Sometimes. It's true. And we both love to talk.

So why not magnify that even more and kind of, you know, project it to the world. We're connected to the world. Specifically speaking about bones, which is the thing that brought us together. 100% nicely put. Okay. Should we dive in? Yes. Just just dive in to the show, to bones.

We'll talk about how bones came to be. Yes. We'll get more of that story as we talk to more people. We're going to talk to people. We're not going to just watch episodes. We're going to have guests on. We're going to talk to people who are involved in the show from the beginning, at different points from different perspectives and different.

friend jobs and so it'll be really fun. We'll learn things. Yeah. Yeah. About the show that we didn't know because of that. I can talk about what I know from my beginning of the show and what I heard first. So I got a script called Brennan. It was originally called Brennan. I was asked to have a meeting and an audition. Like it was not just an audition, but it wasn't just a meeting either. Okay. I'd rather just audition personally than have like a be an awkward meeting and then you transition to auditioning, which is what it was. but it was fine. And I met with Hart Hansen, the creator of the show,

Greg Yatainis, who directed the pilot, and Barry Josephson was an executive producer who was at the meeting. And I later found out that Barry was the person who brought me in

because he called around to different executives he knew. And I had done a Disney movie, like a Buena Vista Disney movie called Glory Road. And the executive on that suggested me for this. This is very nice.

I have him to think for it. That's what you always hope will happen. Yeah. I know. Yeah. But yeah. So I did this movie Glory Road. And I was brought in and then we had a meeting and I remember Hart Hanson laughing at my jokes that

funny. Oh yeah. So I just thought he was very a nice person. He is a very nice person. But you're also funny. I'm not. I wasn't that funny. I was not.

I mean, sometimes I can be a little funny, but I wasn't that funny. I made some comment about like, I think. the character was described as strong and it was something and something like somewhat contradictory maybe like strong and vulnerable in the character description maybe not even in the script but in like they send out like in the breakdown breakdown yeah of the character yeah yeah and so i think i said well aren't all characters described like that because they were i mean they already laughed at me and i think that was because it was kind of like Brennan i don't know we'll ask him well you are you you you are a little bit like Brennan and we're going to discuss

Yeah, I like, you've said that to me before, and I would love to hear how you see that. I think I've come to realize more over time that I am more like her than I realized. Yeah, for sure. Even watching the pilot, I was like, it's just funny to watch. I mean, you know, knowing you and, you know, because obviously I met you at work and at work, you're very much, I'm not, listen, you're not, you know, in, you're not like method like a Daniel Day Lewis. Like, you're not like, you're not, I'm not saying you're. not a Daniel Day Lewis. Well,

you are a Daniel Day Lewis quality actress. Okay, as long as you recognize the quality of my acting is the same. Correct. It's not better, Carla.

Correct. But I just mean, it was not like you stay in character, but like I think on set, you were very business. Like you were very like, obviously you had so much work to do. You were always super friendly and welcoming

and like checking in with me and all, you know, oh, what have you been doing? What have you been up to? Whatever. But you were like always, working even in your downtime. Like you were, but literally like learning, you're like, okay, I'm gonna

Carla, is it okay if we run lines? And I'd be like, oh yeah, absolutely. You know, like you were on it all the time. And, but yeah, watching the pilot, which I do, obviously over time, I think that the character probably also was a little bit, you know, you, it melded, right? Like you were becoming the character

of the character, the character, the character was becoming you. Yes. But even in the pilot, just so much of you is it, I mean, obviously, you brought yourself to it, but it was very fun for me. And of course I was cast as that part. And, you know, a lot of times, especially in television,

there's going to be qualities of yourself. Yeah. Right? So. But it's interesting. I'm looking forward to watching the episodes and kind of having a perspective on it that I might not have had before with so much time passing. I, we call it hate watching in my house when watching myself acting.

Because it's just so, I don't know. I don't like watching myself act. Now it's easier for me to watch something so. far past because I have like I have more compassion for myself with who I was as an actor and what I did you know and it's funny so last night I was knew I had to watch this episode to prepare for today and I was saying well if I wait until my kids go down it'll be so late and my kids and I'm like oh maybe they can watch some of it with me I wondered about that you I think I mentioned it to you today and I was like I think it's okay I don't think it's a gory

episode. Then as I watched it, I actually thought about your kids watching. They watched about five to ten minutes of it. I mean, I got a phone call, but then I was like, I think this is, you know, there's a brassiere flashing at the top. There's discussion of pornography and virginity and things like that. And then the body just go over their heads. No, the body, I mean, the body is a little gruesome, I think. My seven-year-old loves that. I mean, it was just a skeleton, and he I said, what do you think of that? And he said, cool. Okay.

And my older son wanted to know if there was any guns and if any guns would be shot. And he's hoping for that? I believe so. But there were, there were. There were of you guys. And I said, yeah, I said, and

watch, you'll be surprised. You'll just wait and watch. The funniest thing to me was that my seven-year-old was like, when Michaela came on as Angela, he's like, is that you? What? And then when he saw me, he's like,

that's you, he didn't know that was me. Really? You don't look that different? No, you do not look that different. It's been a couple of years. It's been just like two years. A couple of years.

Anyway. So wait, you were talking about the, you got the script, you took the meeting, Hart left, and then what? Did you have to do a scene? I did the scene in the car where Ruth and Brennan after he picks her up at the airport and then walking away when she gets out, I get out, she gets out. I don't, you know, whatever. And then after that audition, I got, was said, I was told that I was asked to test for the show, which means you go to studio and the

network, where you test for the studio executives and the network executives, you sign a contract. And only, I'm telling you, you know this. I do know this. I've done it a very, unfortunate number of times when you compare it to the number of actual jobs I've done. But that's the actors. Yes, it is. But also it's a very big deal to be, to get, you know, to be asked to test because, you know, sometimes if it's a lot of people, it's five people that they're asking. But for the most part, it usually isn't. It could be like often it's three. Three is. Sometimes it's a general number.

But it's a real thing when you go to test. You know, it's just you and a couple other people. Yeah. But I was asked to test for another show. And I chose to, and was at the same time. And I chose to go to that one instead. That is crazy. But before I even got to that test, they canceled it.

Thank God. I remember what I wore. I wore sweater and jeans. Nice. Casual. Yeah. Cash. Not trying too hard.

Not trying too hard. Not trying too hard. But I looked put together. Put together. I made the mistake one time of going to an audition with a t-shirt on that was for like a war photographer audition. And then they told me that I was wearing a vintage t-shirt as if that was like the worst thing in the world. This is a test you wear it to a. No, no.

No, no. An audition. A call back. What? Well, I made me sure I did not wear a vintage t-shirt to this test. I'm the person who, like, is tragic. Like, the number of things I have, like, ordered from Amazon or, like, back in the, you know, like, gone to goodwill.

Like, I show up in full. Like, they will be like, oh, you know, she's a surgeon and I've got the full. Like, I'm, it's so thirsty, as the kids say. Like, I just, I mean, it's not. What it is is, is I want to embody that I want to, like, feel it. Yeah, it helps to embody the character. But it does look a little you know, it's a bit much. Well, I think nowadays

everyone auditions on tape at home from home or, you know, wherever, studio or something like that. So it's not like you arrive in a when you arrive in an audition room or a waiting room and you know, you show up and you're the only person with fake piercings and Oh my God. Like all of the... I've done fake tattoos. I have done that. I've done fake piercings since I have.

I've definitely done fake tattoos. Because people have no imagination. Let's be honest, when people cast, they have no imagination. So if they can't imagine that you're the character, you're not going to get the part. Yeah, yeah. That is true. Yeah. So I had tested and then I was with David Borianus who was already cast as booth.

Amazing. And I don't know. I was told I got him to stand up and it's the only person that got him to stand. I don't know. I can hear from other people about that. I know. I am curious to hear. the other side.

I mean, God, how often do you get to hear, like, why did you cast me? Like, what a dream. Or why didn't you cast me is when you don't. Oh, that is true. I would like to hear that. Sometimes you hear, but. Yeah, but, like, the real reason. I know.

Oh, yes. I knew somebody who got fired and they were told you're just too good of an actor. You're making the other actors look bad. Stop it. And that's the kind of thing that I'd be like, is that the whole story. Maybe it is. I don't know, but. Wonderful.

But I would have trouble with that one. If someone told me that, I'd be like, Mm, yes. Okay, we're going to take a quick ad break and then we'll dive in to the very first episode of Bones ever. Should we dive into the episode? Yes, I think we should. I think we should. Do you want to do a little synopsis?

Yeah, I did a little synopsis. This is the pilot episode of Bones called Pilot, the only one without a fun name. Fun name. This was written by Hart Hansen, who created the show and, like, as a showrunner for many years, directed by Greg Atenas, and it first aired on September 13th, 2005. Long time ago. Long time ago. Very long time ago.

Correct. Okay, here we go. It opens with Angela, the character played by Michaela Conlon, at the airport waiting to pick Brennan up. And we see a lot of, a lot of Michaela. Or more than we bargained for. More Angela, sorry. Yeah, of course.

Those are not her boobs. That's not her boostie. She flashes. A friend of women who hasn't seen it recently. She flashes her boobs to get information on the flight. The guy does not seem like he would care that much about seeing her boobs. Offensive. Yeah.

Anyone would be excited to see her boobs, I think. Yeah. Well, can we talk about the fact that she's wearing like, it's almost as if she knew she would be flashing her boobs? because, I mean, she has some very nice lingerie on. She has like a, like a Boustier. Yeah. A Boustier? A corset.

A corset. But I think that's just what Angela rocks. Angela might be always wearing something like that. She actually might, though. I think she might. Because in these first, like, few episodes, she is very like, oh, I'm open to anything. Like, she is very free. A free, you know, free is.

Spirit. So she's flashing her boobs to get information. on the flight. Brennan is coming back from Guatemala where she was identifying victims of genocide, skeletal victims. She has something very odd in her bag. Yes.

And it's a skull. She's brought back human remains and she gets stopped by Homeland Security and there's the whole fight and then gets brought to an interrogation room. But then it turns out it was just a setup. It was a setup. Seeley Booth had Homeland Security

stop her at the airport so he could get her. on his case. That's right. Saly Booth, played by the one and only. David Boreana. The one and only. Can I just first say how much I enjoyed the episode? Oh, good. I really did. It's such a cohesive pilot. It's really, it really is. I think pilots are incredibly challenging because you are establishing so much information, so many characters, what is the relationship here? And like right off the bat, you say something like something about your trip and that you're, you know, something that it's about like having a breakup and going away, you know, or maybe she says,

like, this isn't the solution for like, you know, having a breakup. And so all of a sudden I'm like, oh, I'm learning right away, like all this information. You've been to Guatemala, you know, what you do for a living, that you've just gone through a breakup. Like, all these like seeds are being planted. And I felt like that happens really, like, it's hidden a bit in terms of like some pilots. It's really in your face. Like, you're like, mom, dad, when you got divorced when I was 15, it really created some problems. Like you're like, no, oh, God, I hear you. But this is like hidden.

Like, you guys have buried the pipe. So much that you could miss it. I did miss it the first time. Yeah. No, it's just you all are. But it's okay to miss it. But you have, but I think it gets richer when you watch it more. It did.

It did. It did. But no, you just all your, I mean, we're going to get into this. But like your relationships with each other, this did not feel like you, I would say you and Michaela specifically. And you and David, like, these did not feel like relationship. Like, as humans, like, I didn't feel as if you guys had all just met, you know, within that probably month. Like, your connection with her felt very real and your connection with him felt very real for me.

Yeah. I just wanted to say that. What I marveled at this time viewing the pilot is how quickly we're introduced to so many of the characters, too. And you really get a full sense of who they are. Like you mentioned about knowing the breakup in Guatemala and what she does for living and, you know, you get the idea of what, who Angela is like showing her book. She's a free spirit and it's great.

Yeah. Something we might not see in a pilot these days, or maybe it would be more racy. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It was, you know, streaming or something like that. But I wrote down where you meet each person. And it's like five minutes in you've met.

I think maybe Angela, Brennan and Booth. Yeah. The first three minutes, we've met three main characters. That's what I actually, it's funny, I made that note as well on the second viewing that I was like, wow. The, again, like the kind of like seamless introduction to Booth, like how quickly that happens, you know? And am establishing your guys sort of not that it's like the well they won't they, but like there's a little bit of tension between you guys. But there's also like him, you know, because he had them.

flag you to get pulled at the airport, you know, and you're annoyed. You get a sense of his character that he does that and her character that she's annoyed and she beats up the Homeland Security person. You really so quickly have an idea, a basic idea of who the characters in their basic essence are and then what their relationships are to each other. Yeah. It's pretty remarkable how Hart Hansen holds that. And in such a seamless way, you're not aware that this is a pilot.

where you're introducing characters. You just can't jump right in. And that is a great talent in itself to just do that. So we can go through as it happens. And then I know I have notes in general, but the airport scene was shot at the convention center downtown, Los Angeles Convention Center downtown. I think it looks like an airport.

It really does. Credit Greg Yatainis. I know everyone chooses locations, but I think he's such a visual. I mean, as he should be, he's director. But I just mean, it's always very, a lot of his shots are very, are stunning. And I think that that

shot of like the big window in the airport is really beautiful. There's so many shots. He's so cinematic as a director and just great to work with as an actor too. He's gone on to win Emmys and he's very successful. And we'll talk to him too. But one thing that stuck out for me this time

watching that I don't think I'd ever thought of, why did I bring a skull back from Guatemala? Isn't that illegal? I was identifying victims of genocide. And I say like him. him. Yes.

I just have it in a bag. It's not even in like a, it's not even in like a plastic bag. I mean, it could have crushed. I mean, I'm scared to carry, like my daughter, we went to Barbados and she bought this like, it's like a tiny coconut that's like hollowed out and it's a turtle. And I was so scared to transport this turtle coconut back from Barbados. And we had it in a box and I kept it in my carrier because I was like, it's going to get crushed.

Yeah. I would keep it in a carry-on, but coconut's pretty strong, but in the top cut off of it, because it's like supposed to be a little keepsake box, I think. Have you ever tried to cut those things open? No. You need a mallet and a thing. Or, I mean, you can have a spear. Okay. You know a lot about coconut. I did live on a tropical island for a few months as a child. So. But all I'm saying is you've got this skull, which is actually probably more, this old skull that is probably more delicate than are, than that coconut. Turtle. Well, I don't know. I think a coconut might... We'd have to find that out.

I think a skull might... Well, not an old skull. Who knows? Let's just say it's delicate. I wouldn't want to carry it like that. Brennan's very comfortable. But get this. Booth picks her up from the airport.

Yeah. She gets out of the car. She does not have any other luggage. She just went to Guatemala with that bag with a skull in it. There's no... She left it in his car. She was expecting him to bring it around later. Is that like...

No, I don't know. Or she was just so spontaneous. She didn't care about her bag. And she was just, that's probably what it was. I wonder if there was a discussion about that. But I didn't even think, I don't remember a discussion. I think she's like, I just let me out. Like she's not thinking about her bag and her skull that she has just stolen.

And why would you? And presumably she took the skull with her, I guess. Right. Did they let her? Yeah, I think so. You also, you ditched Michaela at the airport. That's another thing you look behind. Oh, well, I get taken away by Homeland Security.

Oh, so maybe she's like I should go. And she, maybe she's ditched me, honestly, Carla. I'm not waiting on her. This will take hours. My favorite moment is the Homeland Security guy says, you know who doesn't sweat it? Yes. Sociopath. Sociopath.

It's like in the background. It's so well delivered. I made a note about that too. Very, very funny. Very funny. She's awesome. She's very funny. Well, let's jump into the murder.

Okay, so the murder. All right. So Booth drives Brennan to the crime scene where we meet Zach Addy, Brennan's assistant, played by Eric Milligan. They discover a body in a pond at Arlington National Cemetery of an 18 to 22-year-old woman. That's right. And then they bring her back to the lab, do a facial reconstruction with the help of the infamous Angela. Angelator, which I always thought was the Angelatron. No, that's what it becomes later on.

Why? There are two different things. Because the Angelator was a 3D thing that we'll talk about. Okay. That eventually, that it became a nightmare to film. Okay, okay, okay. I don't know if you were there for it. I was not.

It was the Angelatron by the time I got that. That was two-dimensional. It was easier to film. Well, these are some of the gems. These are some of the gems that we'll talk about. Exciting stuff. So they bring her back, use the Angelator,

and they discover the victim is Cleo Eller. She's a missing intern. She was rumored to have an affair with the senator, Senator Bethlehem. Yes. And she also was dating Ken Thompson as well, who worked with Senator Bethlehem.

And so we dive in and with the help of Angela and Zach and Hodgins. Yes, that was also just really well done, I thought. Like, you each have a thing to add. It's like, you know, Hodgins has been like, these are what the bugs are and this, this, that. And like, Angela's like, okay, great. And I'm going to go reconstruct. And, you know, it just, I just thought I was like, here, oh, here we are. We're seeing you all together, how you all work together. And it's, it was just seeing you all together. And it just, you all clicked really, really well. Yeah. Yeah. For solving these crimes, too. Oh, I made a note of the different things we learn. I mean, there's so many things. And, but things that continue on. Like the term.

Squint. Booth coins the term squint. You know, people who squinted to look at things. Kind of his version of nerds essentially, people who look at things to solve crimes. Yeah. I did make a note like, oh, that's the first time we hear that. Because obviously I was used to being called to squint, but I didn't realize that you were a squint. I'm a squint.

You were a squint turn. Oh, a squint turn, right? Yeah. Oh, hey, so something we've discussed, which I wanted, which I think that people would be really interested in is I had thought when the very, you know, when the very, you know, I had thought, when the very first time that I watched the pilot, that that was a built set, the lab. And I was telling you. And I was like, oh my God, that's such an expensive. Like, I cannot believe they built that for a pilot because pilots often don't get picked up. That is insane. It must have cost so much money. It is so beautiful. And you were like, let me just stop you. That's a location. That is not a set. And then it was later

built. You blew my mind. You blew my mind. I was like, I'm sorry. This is a place that really exists. they rebuilt it because to me, having worked on that set a lot, the lab, the platform, in watching the pilot, I did not see a different, like, I wasn't like, oh, this isn't where I worked. You know what I mean? It's not like sometimes on shows, I feel like sometimes they'll do a thing where they go watch the pilot and it's actually a different house than the show. There's a very famous show where you're like, oh, it's different because it probably was location and then it got built.

Yeah. But all that to say, incredible. Like, like, beautiful, beautiful set. Like, wow, what a, like, and I just couldn't believe that was a real place. Yeah, that it got rebuilt. The lab was a set, I mean, was a location. Yeah. And then it was built, I mean, for one costs a lot of money.

I'm sure it did. A lot of money to build that huge set. It was a huge set that took up the entire stage. Yeah. And it's all practical in that you, sometimes you do sets, you know, you'll do a house and there's a, it's not practical, like you walk into a bedroom from another place, and it doesn't matter because when you're filming it,

you can fudge it all and it makes it look right. But this is all practical and that you can walk from my office into the lab, into Angel's office, and do a whole shot that way. And so it's all practical. But it was originally filmed at the California Science Center, one of the buildings there, which is across the Rose Garden from the Natural History Museum.

The Rose Garden, there's a not to, spoil up for people. I haven't watched all the episodes of Bones, but there's a wedding in that Rose Garden later on that we shot at the actual. So that Rose Garden is the Natural History Museum

and then the retunda that we walked around with Dr. Goodman, that's in the Natural History Museum. I'm almost positive. And we walked all the way around it. That's a great contagious thing where you can walk many times around the thing.

You'll never know watching it, but it made no sense because we walked around the antenna and then we walked across it on the bottom floor. I will say, I know, I noticed that. I mean, you had told me that about the walking around things. So I kind of looked for it. And it was kind of funny when you look for it.

Like, I was like, okay, it does kind of seem like they're just going in one very large circle. And then when you're down below it and you cross again, I'm like, you guys should just take an elevator down. Like, I'm not sure where you were headed. I don't know what happened. We might have taken elevator down. I don't know. I don't know.

It looks fantastic. It looks fantastic. And no one knows that until now. We've told them the inside scoop. I know. They ruin it for people. Maybe they don't want to listen. It is gems like that.

This is why this podcast needed to be made, okay? You're going to get the inside scoop. Some gossip. Yeah. Some cold gossip. Yeah. It's cold. Very cold.

Freezing. Like, I think you coined that phrase. Cold goss. Yeah. Not hot goss. No. We'll be back with more bone heads in just a moment. Okay.

We have so much to talk about. I know we have so much to talk about. Let's get to get. into the scene where your ex, Peter, forcefully breaks into your apartment. Yeah. To get his television.

To get the old TV. Yeah. Maybe just go to Best Buy and get a new one. Brennan's asleep. And she hears noises and she doesn't know who's in her apartment. And she grabs a baseball bat and she don't need it. She don't need that baseball bat. She just needs her fists.

Her mood and her feet and her feet and her legs. Yeah. But she grabs a baseball bat just to be safe. Extra. She doesn't know if there's other, maybe there's multiple people breaking into her apartment. We don't know this. But there isn't. But it's just her ex, Peter, played by Dominic Femusa, who was on Nurse Jackie, who's great on Nurse Jackie.

Later on, that happened after. Yeah, yeah. But he's a very newest guy. I mean, the note that is jumping at me right now is your booze. I haven't known about your boobs. I was going to be my walk, but no. Let's talk about the boobs. I'm interested in your boobs.

There's Michaela's boobs. Oh, there's Michaela's boobs. There's my boobs. There's boobs. But it's funny because, I mean, obviously your, your boob presence is obviously a choice. Okay, it was a choice. But unlike the Angela Boobb thing, which was like supposed to be kind of maybe a little shocking, like flashing. And intentional.

Intentional. Intentional. Yours just existed. in all their glory and beauty. I just, really? Well, there was enhancement in that there was like, what do you mean? Very supportive bra. Oh, supportive bra.

But there was something to support. Not other enhancements to be clear. I know, I was going to say, I was like, not that I know it. But the supportive bra makes a big difference. Fair. You know, it makes a difference. But you have something to support.

And I really appreciated it. And I'm talking about the scene with your boyfriend, you know, where he wakes you up. You are sleeping in that. Correct? Yes. He just gets. To come get his TV or whatever.

And I was not, something I hadn't thought about watching it before was, am I sleeping in the day because I was up all night putting the skull back together? Oh, I don't know. We have to talk about the montage too. But I was up on night putting the skull back together and then I go home to sleep in the daytime or maybe it was nighttime. But he breaks into or he lets himself back into an apartment. Yes. Presumably we shared. Probably, yeah.

But yes, I remember asking them like, is this like boobelicious or I don't know. I think I said, is like Pamela Anderson? And they're like, no, no, no. No, the answer is yes. They literally said no, no, no. And I don't know if they meant that particular shot. They might have meant that just that particular shot. They were just on my face for that.

Conveniently, when I happened to ask the question, like, no, no, no. It's just on your face. I'm like, oh, okay. And then cut to watching the pilot. I'm like, oh, okay. All right. They look great. I think.

I mean, I don't know if I would have, you know, made that choice. To do that if I knew that that's what that would look like and how it's done. But, you know, and I think that's where you're making a mistake in life. If you wouldn't have chosen because you looked fantastic. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. Well, let's just say this.

Someone did give that credit for us being picked up. No. Someone was like the reason we got picked up is your boobs in that scene. That is very funny. Is it Michaela? No, no, no, it's not Michaela. Okay. Someone who would have more information on why we got picked up.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't know how much they were joking or serious. I mean, I'm sure they were joking. But I also... Let's hope they're joking. But listen, we... I want to be judged on my marriage.

I know. But look, you are all things. And we, you know, that is, you are all things. But that is, you know, and that is something that's also important to address is like, you know, the challenges of this is a brilliant woman who also has a smoking bod. I'm just saying you're sexy. I mean, I like to say it like that. And, you know, you're a genius. I mean, you're all this role, you know, tempered sprennan is all things. And that's a, that's a challenging. I just want to. be a world where somebody does a show. And I think we're moving in that way where you don't need to have those kinds of quote-unquote assets and or show them if you do. Yeah, we're definitely moving in that. I think for sure. I think for sure. So can we talk about the montage of the skull?

I'm going to call it the Elmer's montage. Sponsored by Elmer. I was going to say the paid advertisement by Elmer's glue. So yeah, notice that Elmer's just right right away. By the way, sexy gluing montage. I'm sorry, I know I'm really harping on the like your sexiness and I hope I'm not making you uncomfortable. Actually, I do hope I'm making you uncomfortable.

But it was a very, you know, the music and the lighting and like your hands like touching the bones and it just was. These weren't my fingers. Oh, okay. Cold goss. I almost said hot goss. It's clearly not hot. Pryogenic goss.

I looked up the song Oh I was wondering about the song Yes because it was like Something like your your tongue's on fire When you say there was something like that No the words were like I was gonna write it down I'm gonna look up the lyrics It's like you're it's something like that

When you say when you say what And I think it's when you say you love me Or something like that But there's like you're It's something very sexy Ooh Okay well so it's called Collide If you want to look up

What that song is Howie Day collide. This is all that we're going to give you all the information. Apparently. Even information you don't want. Yeah. That was a popular song that. Do you remember that song? No, I didn't at all. Maybe I just remember it.

Yeah, probably. I know, I think I recognized it on bounce. But it might be more familiar because you've seen the episode. Because I've seen the episode and I, you know, was part of it for enough time. That's so funny. Yeah, you don't remember. It was very sexy. No, I don't remember that at all. Not at all. Sexy.

Very sexy gluing montage. There were so many tiny pieces of bones. They were very, I mean, that was like a thousand pieces of bones. It was. That was crazy. I don't know how she did that. Do you know how good Brennan must be at jigsaw puzzles? Like, have we ever talked about that?

No. Yeah. She should have explored that. She should be like a champion jigsaw puzzler. Yeah. Okay, so I'm touching the bones without gloves and I even bite my nails. You do? I didn't notice that.

That's terrible. Oh, that's terrible. Like both touching the bone and then putting it in your mouth and then also taking it with your saliva and touching the bones. That's why we never did that again. Yeah. No, you all were very, by the time I got there, you guys were very anal about making sure that people, you'd be like, um, like you specifically, I was anal. You'd be like, Carla, you touched the keyboard and then you went to touch the bones and then you touched the keyboard again. So you can't.

And I'd be like, okay, I guess I won't touch the keyboard. Like you were very, because, you know, you guys were well trained in it. I was very well trained and it goes into my life in ways that are not helpful. I've never been diagnosed with OCD, but I feel like there's like something maybe it's OCD adjacent or minor OCD where I'm very, I'm too triggered in some part by the training on bones where I know contamination, you know, Donna Klein, who is our forensic consultant or whatever. She taught us how to do something. So I'm like, where you can'taminate and where you don't.

So yes, I definitely was anal and I definitely did do that. You did. When you touched that, then you touch the other thing. Yeah. No, but I appreciated it. I mean, I did because I was like, oh, cool. Like, we're doing, we're going to like, we're going to like make this look real. Like, I did appreciate it, you know.

Another, you know, like Daniel Day Lewis, as we discussed, my level of acting is on par. Yeah. And yours was able to be. come. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I think we could say that I was sort of like trained under you. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. Mentor, mentor. I was in a relationship. Yeah, I felt very mentor to learn for me. No, I, listen, I respected it. I respected it. I think people do appreciate the thoroughness of the show. They do. Yeah. I do think they do. They get into it. I mean, we've talked about this before and where more than a few people have reached out saying that they

were like inspired to become forensic anthropologists. And I think if the show hadn't a been as thorough, you know, in depth, and really, you know, people wouldn't have been as intrigued by, you know what I mean? Like, if it was just a surface, you know, like, solved the crime. But it's like, it's a very thorough, detailed show. As I am learning, I need to watch the episodes twice, which I wasn't expected. At least. Yeah. I'm, I'm now remembering, if memory serves, scientific American rated us the best, most accurate science. That's amazing. Scientifically accurate television show at some point. FRII. Well, geez.

Yeah. Congrats. One note I have is that the Cleo Eller case is based on Chandra Levy, if you remember that case. Oh, yes, I do. Remember that? She was having a presumed affair with a congressman, I think, named Gary Condit. But it turned out, and I think that the murder was solved after Bones came out. Like, I think a couple years later, I think they messed up.

I think there was some big mishaps where she was killed randomly by someone who's attacking people in that park she was found in a park in Washington, D.C. So it's kind of based on that. So Cleoeller, a little different. She was an aide to a congressman like Chandlerlevy or maybe it was a... Oh, you mean the real person?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's found deceased and there's a presumed affair between the two. Which we should clear up because we had a discussion about this that she has had an affair with the senator. She is pregnant by the senator and it is her boyfriend

played by Sam Trammell who's... I know you have to talk about Sam Traml but Booth says at the end he's just trying to save his job because there was such confusion for me the first time I watched it and I was like I don't understand like the senator didn't

kill her okay the boyfriend did but so was it his baby like I just got very confused and he was a boyfriend what's confusing is that her like love life circle is like so small and they're all interconnected which happens in real life where people have a boyfriend and then they have an affair,

will they have a boyfriend that they work with and have an affair with their boss who they also work with. That happens. Now, let's say, to be fair, none of that was proven, but it's presumed that she was having an affair with the sender. That's why he didn't want to give his DNA with the gun. Yes. At some point someone does, or maybe even just you, you're like, she is, like, you're like, no booth says that. Okay. Right. So someone actually is like pregnant with the senator's baby. Like, but what's the motive? What would the boyfriend's motive to kill her? You're confused by the motive. But I'm confused by the motive in the end, too, Emily, because how do I know it wasn't like some jealousy?

How do we know it's not jealousy that he says to you, this is purely about saving his job because if it comes out about the baby, if it's proven that he had the affair, it's going to ruin. Yeah, but if Sam Trammell lose his job. But if his girlfriend was having an affair with some guy and she got pregnant with him, people do, I'm not saying that's warranted. He didn't kill a senator too. But he goes and kill. People... Kill for jealousy in that way. Maybe it was the manner in which she was killed and that it was methodical on how she was... I guess it was also very like...

Disposed of her body. She was stabbed multiple times. Yeah, it seems almost like... Unlike Chandler Levy, who apparently was just tied up and left to die. No. Which is what I read. Yeah. Ugh.

Okay, wait. Sam Trammell who plays Ken Thompson, Cleo Eller's boyfriend. And as we find out at the end of the episode, her murderer, I have two things to say Sam Trammell went on to do True Blood But I saw Sam Trammell Three years after doing the pilot of bones

About three years, maybe four tops At a birthday party Not to drop names But it was Billy Kruyp's birthday party Do you know Billy Krut? David worked with him Like right when we started dating He did a movie with him

David. Your husband My husband My husband, not David Borianus David and my husband So we got to the party And we parked And I saw Sam Tramol

And I was like Oh you did bone We worked together you did bones and he's like what? No. What are you talking about? He did not remember doing the pilot of bones. Yeah, I would think that would be the highlight of your career.

Yeah, you would think. Who cares about true blood? I know. That should be the highlight of your career. Also, he was a murderer. Carla. Yes. Just after I started watching with the kids, okay?

Okay. Five minutes of the kids. And I, we saw Sam Trammell. And my husband came in and he's like, oh, Sam Trammell's in it. And as we are watching, my phone goes off and I get a text about Sam Trammell. What? From who? From who?

I'm doing. They're offering a part to him. Oh. So it's possible to work with him again. I mean, I have no memory working with me before. I was like, I have worked with him. I pray that he is in it and that you then return to do the podcast and you just have

new stories for me about him still not remembering he was on bones. Like I just want, I want the up-to-date current. And you know I'm going to give him lots of crap. I know you are. And then he better come on this podcast. Oh, yes. Right? Siddle up and get him to come on the pod.

Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God, that's funny. So let's talk about, oh, Chris Conner plays Oliver Lurier. Yeah, the stalker. The stalker, which is kind of a flip on Lawrence Olivier. I didn't realize that. Yeah. I don't know.

I don't know. But Chris Connor has been friends with my husband since high school and college. And when I first worked with Chris, I remember getting in the van and he said, you know David Hornsby. Because I did know David Hornsby. I wasn't dating him, but I knew him peripherally through friends. That's how we met. But just knew him peripherally for several years before we ever dated. Yeah, yeah.

And I said, oh, yeah. So that was our connection. And we talked. He's a great guy. And I did a podcast, funnily enough, a scripted podcast with him. And Agent Stoker is the name of that. If people want to check it out. And Tamara Taylor is also on that podcast.

They also work together on another TV show, Altered Carbon. Oh, yeah. I watched that. So I do have a note that just is my walk, exclamation point. I didn't know. Do you want to talk about that? I'm not going to touch that one. But I did notice it and so did my husband Mark when we watched it the person?

He was like, I'm going to walk. And I will say it was not fully intentional. Not that I knew that I was going to look like that, but I think it was intentional that I wanted to be determined and going somewhere. I was not aware that that's what I look like while being determined and walking. And even while Mark noticed it. And like I said, we watched like, five minutes with my kids last night before realizing how many references to different things that I might not want them to see. And my husband's friend is staying with us. And he mentioned

even after, like later on, and he's like, that walk. You're what? That's a, no, no, now he's that, that's a determined walk. And I was like, I know. I know. I'm determined. I was right. Yeah. I have places to be. I have a murder to solve. Can I just say. Do you not criticize. Three words. Yeah. Daniel. Day. Lewis. Okay. That's all I'm saying. I was just in it. You're in it. That is Brennan's walk. That is Brennan's walk.

And maybe also your walk. And also maybe that's just your walk. But I mean, no, also Brennan's walk. No, it's Brennan's walk. It's Benin's walk. You were in character. Okay. I was definitely in character, Carla.

Okay. Don't doubt that. I mean, okay. I'll say this. I did a show where I had to wear high heels. I was not used to wearing high heels. I had to wear high heels. And I had to wear high heels and I had to walk in these high heels.

And the character has to say, she looks like Claudia Schiffer. Oh, boy. The actress started laughing because I was walking so badly in my high heels. That's not nice. Yeah. Anyway, so that was a... I always say that I know that I have a funny walk, especially in high heels, because I was not so used to walking in high heels.

It's not a natural thing. Not a natural thing. Oh, another thing I want to talk about is that some of these scenes were not originally filmed with the pilot. Really? We added maybe three scenes taking place in the FBI. So the scenes with Booth's boss, who I like very much. Yeah, me too.

So all the scenes with him and the boss, with me, him and the boss, and then with him, when Booth is looking at the footage of Cleo Eller. I like that so much. That's added. That was an added scene. That's so interesting because I actually made a note about that, that what I think was really important, and I'm guessing was the purpose of the scene, but it really showed his heart.

I mean, I know that a lot of the setup is that, like, you are, you know, he's gut and you are, you know, intellect, you know, or you are research. He is heart. But this to me was like just in the really showing, I mean, you both have it where you're like, these are not just like faceless victims. As it turns out, even though you kind of come at this like, I'm, you know, I'm very analytical and I'm very, you know, logic based. But like this, for me, that scene of him watching her and being so affected by her, I was like, oh, you know, this is really giving us like what motivates him and how much of that is like his heart. Yeah. He's not just this like FBI sharpshooter guy. He's got, that's really nice.

He's got heart too. Okay. We need to talk about the gun range. We cannot forget about the gun range. So Brennan goes to blow off some steam as you do at the gun range. And Booth sneaks up behind her and then stands so close to her. So close.

I mean, I was going to say blowing off steam. I mean, it was creating some steam. I mean, I'm sorry, that might have been my favorite part of the show. It was very sexy. I feel like you have a lot of favorite parts of the show for this episode. That are always sexy, though. They're always the sexy. The gluing.

The boobs. The gun range. Get my mind out of the gutter. Impossible. Impossible. No, I just liked it. I just, I mean, you guys are just as close as two human beings can be

during a conversation without having a kiss. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I liked it. I mean, come on. The whole damn show is built on the tension between the two of you. And it is delicious. Poppable. It is. I loved it. I don't know. Brennan's a good shot with a gun. She absolutely is. We learned that.

We learned that she's also good with martial arts because she kind of... Well, we've seen that from the first. clearly so good. Yeah. And then he, I also enjoyed the last little where he like, you walk away and he like turns back

because he kind of does not a good job. No, he does not. No. But no, it was just a, it was a nice scene. And B, there was like a lot of sexual attention. Yeah.

I mean, in real life, that would be kind of nuts to be that close to someone you're working with. Yeah. Unless you're going to ultimately marry them and have two children, seven years later or whatever.

Sure. I mean, I think I remember in rehearsal, like, deciding to do it like that. Oh, really? It's not how it was script. It wasn't like getting in close or something. I remember that happened in rehearsal. You know what that tells me? You guys had chemistry. I was just going to make a joke that our chemistry was just so good. We couldn't. No, but that is true. Be away from each other. I mean, if you think that that does not, I have some friends who can attest to when you don't have chemistry with the actor who is being your love interest, it can go south. And sometimes, they have to change the script because you're like, yep, these two people just don't. There is nothing between them. But I think, okay, I think that David and I had chemistry and I think, but I also think that we really made it our job to have chemistry.

Interesting. Both of us made sure that we continue to have chemistry and we worked on that. That makes sense. It sounds kind of funny to say, but we knew that was really important. One of the most important things for our jobs as actors on that show is to have chemistry. It's also for us to get along. And so we had kind of a pact that we would get along, essentially. And we would work together and we worked together on the weekends.

And we also had like an agreement. Like if we weren't getting along, we had like little inside jokes about that, what we do. If we were acting badly, he would send me a Diet Coke. That was a symbol that I was acting badly. Would he do it? Would someone like bring you a Diet Coke? Yes. Stop it. I mean, multiple times.

It was hilarious. And what did you send him? I never would do that. It's more something he did. It is funny, though. I like it. But to be honest, I probably acted worse than he did. That is not true.

I'm just joking. But I do love it because that would make me laugh. Yeah. That would make me laugh. Yeah. David makes me laugh a lot. But we had a thing where we would also have a pack that like if we were annoying each other. We knew that we would annoy each other.

We're working so much with each other. Yeah. That if, you know, we are annoying each other, we would just say, hey, you're annoying me. I need space or something. Oh, that's great. And we hardly ever did that because we knew that we could say that to each other. I'm impressed and I had noticed it for sure as well like how well you guys got along like that there you know there were some various you know as a person who was coming in and out I would witness

you know set tensions and various things that happened and I very much clocked that you guys always got along you always like were respectful of each other it didn't feel competitive you know like a lot of the things that you sometimes see on shows and I and I was really really clocked that between the two of you. So to hear you say that you guys worked on it, I mean, it's smart and it makes sense and it was beneficial to the show, you know? Yeah. Well, yeah, it was really important for us to get along and to have chemistry. So probably that was all driven by him to his so much more experience with doing TV shows. I had never done it as series before. So I learned a lot from him. Yeah. Oh, I want to talk about there's a scene towards the end. We are drinking out of like

beaker type things or graduated cylinders or something like that. Oh, right, right before you go and by Ken Thompson right before you go bust him. So Brennan has a realization and the line is Oliver Lorry said that Ken Thompson kept fish. Something to that effect. Yes. And I kept saying a very terrible word that I would never normally say. Hmm.

We can bleep it out, but I'll say it. Do you want to hear what I said? Oh, no, it's a terrible word. I don't want that out there. Well, you can say, you can spell. You can spell. Or you can, you know what people say. See you next Tuesday.

Yeah. Yeah. So I said that. Oliver Lurie said that Thompson kept fish. And then people were laughing and I didn't hear, I didn't know I did that. And then people say, you know what you said? And I said, what? No, I would never say that word.

I would never say that word. Freud. And then I did it again and they said you said it again and I still didn't hear it. Really? And then I said it again and I did hear it. it and I finally said it correctly. That was just your brain. Well, I was tired.

Yeah. We were working long hours and it was late night and I was tired. And so. And drunk. And your mouth doesn't move so I went and drunk and tired. Yeah. But that's one of my memories that makes me laugh from the pilot. Right after that scene, Brandon goes to Ken Thompson's house and breaks in and finds him,

pouring gasoline all of his floor, which he does not stop doing it. Very casual, very calm. Very casually, very calmly and continuously. Yes. And I mean, I've thought about this. I guess in one sense he just wants to continue just getting rid of the evidence. And he said he's going to like you as well. By the way, he says that he's placed on fire and you.

So I think he's... And I guess himself as well. I must say. No, I know. I know. I'm very calm. It's an interesting scene. I liked it, but it is a... Yeah.

It did stand out to me as like, you guys, there's just. No urgency. There doesn't feel like a lot of urgency. Yeah. It probably would be better if we had more. Maybe a little urgency. It wasn't written with it. But it's kind of an interesting scene in that like he's setting it on fire.

So he's like, well, I'm just going to destroy this evidence. Yeah. So no matter what you say or do, it's all going away. Right. It's going to go. I'm about to do it. He doesn't expect you to have a gun and to shoot him in a leg. No, he's not.

Right. Brennan drives a Jeep, which I didn't remember until watching it this time again. I didn't notice that. Yeah. Sure. Cool. She's cool. Then we go to the funeral.

Yeah, the funeral. I mean, obviously, I liked seeing you all together. Again, very cohesive. End of the episode. You're all together. But I especially liked you and Booth, Brennan and Booth, walking away. And he is saying he wants to catch as many murderers as people he killed as a sniper. And you say, you know, are you looking for some kind of cosmic balance sheet?

And then you say that you'd like to help him with that. And I thought that was really nice. and again sort of sets the trajectory for the rest of the show and just like that he's got this moral side that's like I'm trying to kind of write the wrongs and that you're like, I want to be about your side doing that. And I thought that was really lovely.

Yeah, I like that moment too, just that connection between the characters. I think the funeral scene was one of the first scenes we did because I remember talking to Eric Milligan and I believe it was one of the first times we spoke. When we're all lined up next year. each other and I realized what a unique, interesting person he was. He told some funny story.

I can't remember what it was, but we will be talking to him. Yes. And it will be funny to think if that was one of the first days. I mean, it's kind of nice if you were all together, you know. But that last scene between Booth and Brennan, if that's the first day, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But it was, yeah, it was lovely, a really nice ending, just chemistry with the whole cast and

with you and David. Yeah. And we find out Brennan's book is a bestseller list of New York Times. Number three of the bullet. Yeah, exactly. I love that you remember that. It's a good line. It kind of, you know, foreshadows what became kind of a formula eventually ending episodes with Booth and Brennan together with some like kind of sweet connection.

Yeah, connection. Yeah. Little repartee and reflection. And reflection. And an emotional connection as well as some humor. and lightness. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I liked it. I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot. If you hated it, it would probably not be problematic. We have to watch a lot of these. This is the first and only episode of Boneheads. I hope you've enjoyed it. I'm just kidding.

Nope. Turns out I'm a fan of the show. Oh. Wow. Thank God. Thank God. Thanks for doing this with me. Thank you.

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