Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Breaking the Stigma with Annie Knight

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

Rachel and Olivia chat with OnlyFans creator Annie Knight to talk about how she got her start in the industry, her recent challenge and health scare, and why having thick skin is essential.Watch the video episode here!Right now save 20% on your first order and get a free cat toy at https://PrettyLitter.com/BROADIDEASLike the show? Rate Broad Ideas 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyAdvertise on Broad Ideas via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You're welcome. Oh, thank you. I guess I don't thank you enough for welcoming us. Yeah. Yeah, guys. It's very considerate. Yeah, thanks. I thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. An expert in the field today. An expert in the field today. Mm-hmm. It was a fun one. What field are we talking about, Kevin? Only fans.

That's right. The only fans field. The only fans field. Yeah, I was, I really had a lot of genuine questions. A hundred percent. Yeah. Because we're always... I still do.

My brain's still going. I know. Still going. We need to get Annie back. Yeah, because there's so many questions. So many questions. Mm-hmm. I feel like people could even write in and we could do another one and ask more questions if we

need to. She was very very. Very great and open and willing to answer all. Yes, ma'am. So we're actually excited to share. Let's do it. All that we've learned today. Here is Annie Knight.

Thanks for joining us and talking to us today. Yeah, we're so happy to have you. Yeah, it's been a big week, so I'm keen to unpack it with you guys. Yeah, I think that's necessary, right? Like, we've been talking, we've had this conversation going for a while of speaking to you. And then obviously there was a lot of attention in the press about what you've been going through. And, you know, I'm really glad that you're here and willing to talk to us about it. Yeah, for sure.

And we'll get into all our questions and all of that after. But just take us through it. Take us through where you started, what happened, and where you are now. So where I started in like my current career. Yeah. All of it. And anywhere you want to start. The time you were born.

I was working in marketing back in 2020 and I was earning like probably $40,000 a year. And I was like, I just want to buy a house one day. How am I going to buy a house earning $40,000 a year? And then I started seeing this thing called OnlyFans on my TikTok page and people talking about all this money they were making. And I was like, oh, that will never be me. But I could make an only fan and maybe make like an extra $2,000 a month to save for a house. So that was sort of like the premise for why I started. And then I kind of did it on the down low for like two years, somehow managed to avoid my work finding out about it until I didn't avoid it anymore. And they did

find out about it. And that was in 2022. And the job I was working at the time, I absolutely hated. I was crying every day. I was like, how am I going to do this for the next 40 years? And then, yeah, I got fired. And the first thing I felt was relief. And I was like, I think this is like a sign from the universe that I'm meant to be doing only fans full time and just putting 100% of my time and effort into that. So I kind of just went gangbusters and put everything I could into that. And then over the past three years, it's just grown and grown and grown until, yeah, where I'm at now. So where, where, tell us where you are now. Yeah, I mean, I am very fortunate that I, you know, have a lot of financial freedom. I own for

properties, which is like the thing I'm most proud of, that's something I've always wanted to do, is get into like property and real estate. And yeah, I'm engaged. I'm really, really happy. I have the ability to travel wherever I want, whenever I want. I'm basically just living my dream life, doing my dream job. Wow. So how much time does that? does it take up in your life, like dedicating, you know, to only fans? I think it really depends, like, how successful you want to be. Because I've seen a lot of girls who have only fans and they say, oh, it's so easy. It's so easy.

I'm like, yeah, well, it is easy if you just want to sit back and make, like, basically the same amount of money you were earning at a normal job. But if you really, really, really want to make the big bucks, you have to work hard. Like, it is, it's so oversaturated these days. So, you know, I basically work 14 hours a day, 7.000. days a week. And that's because I choose to do it and I love it so much and I enjoy it. But it is, it does take a toll. It's quite exhausting. So what does that entail? Like when you're working 14 hours, what are you actually doing? So it kind of changes day to day. Obviously, there's a lot of

filming involved. I need to film content for the platform. I need to chat to my subscribers. I sometimes do like live videos, photo shoots, that kind of thing. But there's also like a lot of admin and marketing involved. So, you know, you need to market yourself on social media. So I'm basically on every social media platform known to man. And have, like, multiple accounts on all of them. So trying to create different content for each. And then obviously, yeah, managing properties on top of that as well is quite, it's quite hard.

So, yeah, and it's just a lot of admin. Like when I did the big challenge, which I'm sure we'll talk about, there was so much organization involved and, like, having to talk to people and, like, hire people for certain roles and yeah it's a lot of admin yeah i just think that there's so many you know like we'll be sitting here and be like well oh only fans like and people talk about it and doing it but like really wanting to know what goes into it you know like the content you are making and like because you can make it can be so lucrative like you know you're a perfect example of it but i think i know even personally the questions are like oh well what are you actually doing

like what are you filming like what you know what you mean like how far does it have to go or not. Yeah. Yeah. And also, too, in that, if you could cover, because one of the questions that comes to my mind with something like the big challenge, and we'll unpack that and let everybody know what that means,

but there's just such a varying degree of content, right? And you've got the girls that don't hook up with anyone else, and they're getting paid X amount of dollars. Then you've got the girls that are. And so people here only fans, a lot of people, I mean, I know, I think it's like a hundred and ninety million users right now for OnlyFans, which is staggering number of human beings that are subscribed to it. Out of those subscribed, those people know the difference, right? But out of us 14 people left on the earth that aren't subscribed, what?

what do people on only fans do? Like, what does it cover? And why did you end up doing the big challenge? Like, what brought you there? Kind of just unpack all that. We're throwing so much at you. I know. But you got this. I'm so many questions. So, I mean, you can have all kinds of content on there. Like, some people choose to show, like, absolutely no nudity or anything like that. And then other people do absolutely everything, you know, film themselves having sex and stuff like that, which is the content that I do. But it didn't start out that way for me. Initially, you know, I did the classic, oh, I'm just going to do bikini photos and make a million dollars.

But obviously that wasn't realistic and that's not what happened. And then as time progresses and people start asking you for things like, oh, I want to see you nude. I want to see you doing this on video. And they start offering large sums of money. It's kind of hard to say no. But there are still people out there that, yeah, they just decide, no, I've got my boundaries.

I'm not doing full nudity. And so they might just do bikini photos. or they might just offer like chatting services where they where they get to chat to their fans and followers because obviously on Instagram if you know they've got hundreds of thousands of followers it can be hard to respond to everyone it's like may as well make some money out of this and make them pay to chat to me so some people I guess that's more like um influences and stuff like that well-known people that can do that. But yeah a lot of people most people that I know do like full explicit content having sex on camera, whether that be with a partner or, you know, strangers like what I do.

Yeah, it's just, there's such a wide variety of content. But I guess sort of like the reason for the challenge that I did recently, which was sleeping with 583 guys in six hours. Six, hold on. I know. Take a second. That just came out like it was, I went to the post office, right? That's six hours.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Carry on. It was pretty well. So, I mean, I've kind of been doing challenges for like the past three years. I like to say like I was the original challenge girl, but I was doing like marathon.

So I would sort of set out the challenge of sleeping with 300 guys in a year. And then last year I set out the challenge of doing 600 guys in a year. And I think I did 654. And then this year I was like, oh, I'll do a thousand. Like, that'll be good. but people were kind of sick of it like everyone was kind of like oh you know if you've done 600 you've done a thousand like what's the difference and i was like true it's not that much of a challenge doesn't feel like much of a challenge and then i was like oh could be cool to do like a large sum of guys

in a day and also give my subscribers and my followers who have literally gotten me to where i am today to be able to like give back to them and i guess let them have their shot with me um and i opened an application form basically to like set up a time to rail me is what I say so have sex with me back in September last year and I got like 25,000 applications. Yeah. And I'm not surprised. No, not surprise. It's just the number. You hear it and you're like, okay. I know. But yeah, I was like, I was getting messages from people being like, when's it going to be my turn? Why haven't I heard back yet? And I was like, oh my God, like I feel so bad. I want to like be able to see everyone and, you know, give everyone the chance.

So that's what I was like, I think it's a good idea to just like put it. Just pause there for one second. Yeah. Is that, do you, do you really feel like that? Like, does it feel in the moment? Like, oh, man, I want him to have a shot. Like, you really feel like, oh, yeah. Yeah, like it's, I don't know.

These people, I think everyone thinks that like subscribers and stuff, stuff of Only fans are like weird and creepy but like they're honestly just the nicest people ever they're so respectful and yeah like I just that's why I wanted to like give back so to speak wow yeah and then I put out a registration so it wasn't an application it was a registration basically saying if you register you will be told the address and the time to come to you know have sex with me and so I put that up and I got 2,000 registrations and I kind of was expecting like 200 people because you get a lot of cancellations in this sort of industry when you're sleeping with, you know, just normal guys because they sort of freak out a little bit, which is fair

enough. So on the day when 583 people rocked up, I was shocked. And it honestly didn't feel like that many guys. At the end of the day, I asked my assistant, like, what was the final number? She was like 583. And I was like, what? It felt like 250 maybe. Okay, sorry. I know my mouth is like on the floor a little bit. Just because like the, just the number, alone, right? So like, okay. So there's so many places I want to go and questions I want to ask, but 583 guys show up. Now, do they all have to go through a process, like before they get to you? Yes. So it was like, this is the organization that came into play. It was basically like they arrived. They had to sign in with my assistants and show their IDs, fill out,

multiple consent forms, release forms, allowing me to sell the content online and saying that they consent to that content being sold online. They then had to get patted down and have like bag searches from my security. And then they were handed a condom, a bella clava, end of wristband with their number on it. And then they were basically just in a line for ages

until it was going to be their turn. And we're kind of doing it in like groups of sort of like five to 20. it kind of varied as if I was starting to get tired and stuff. But there was a security guard at the door of the room that I was in. And he was basically like giving the guys instructions for what's allowed, what's not allowed to watch out for the camera and all that kind of thing. And we had porn up on the big screen because my fluffer, do you guys know what a fluffer is?

Yeah. Yeah. Why don't you tell us for anyone who doesn't? A fluffer is basically someone who is there. to like get the guys hard so that like basically they're ready when they come to me so I don't have to do like extra work. And my fluffer didn't show up on the day and I was like, what am I going to do? Oh shit. So I was like full of panic mode. I'm like, I'm not going to be able to get through all these guys because like they're not going to be able to get hard. And then,

you know, I was I was just like, what are we going to do? So we put porn up on the big screen. We told the guys in the line to get porn up on their phones if they needed it. And, and, And yeah, it was a little bit more work for me because I just was using my hands and my mouth a lot more than I was expecting. So I was like, yeah, I was quite tired just from that. I think like that was the hardest part of it. But yeah. So when the guys got sent through to me with like, you know, in a group of say 10 at a time,

there'd be a videographer in the room. There was a photographer in the room. And then there was also another assistant of mine who was doing the timing. So obviously, because we're going for like large numbers, we wanted to make sure that everyone had enough, like had the same amount of time. So it was between like 30 to 60 seconds per guy. And so he was just say, you know, next and then the next guy would come in. So it actually moved pretty smoothly. But it was, you know, also chaotic. So 30 seconds and I'm sorry, I might get a little graphic or detailed, but it's 30 seconds of actual like insertion,

penetration and then they're done. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So they were allowed like, you know, like a blow job and a hand job and stuff beforehand, which wasn't counted in the timing. Obviously, if they were going to be there for two minutes and they weren't being able to get hard, they were sent to the back of the room to come back, you know, a bit later. Oh, my God. Imagine those guys like, no. Wait, the hand drop and the blow job was by you because your fluffer wasn't there. So you had to do that in between letting them in.

No, I was doing it at the same time. As other people. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why it was like hard. My shoulders was so sore because I was like having to prop myself up. and like, I don't know, it was just a lot going on.

But yeah, so they would have like 30 to 60 seconds actually like inside me. And then whether they finished or not, they were like moved on. But yeah, it was basically just like, okay, who's ready? Who's ready to go? Okay, you're in. And then like I'd have like a guy each side and then one in front of me. It was insane. That's a lot of dick.

There's just a lot. There was a lot. It's a lot. Every time I looked around, I was like 20 dicks out. I'm like, this is. Oh my gosh. Just the visual is like crazy. So it was essentially like orgy after orgy in a sense.

Like just like so many guys insert here, there. And you're saying they had to go over like what was allowed and what wasn't allowed. What was not allowed? So the only thing that's never allowed for me is anal. I always say no anal. Everything else was pretty much allowed. It was more just like, okay, keep your art for the camera because we had the videographer there, videoing it.

So if they like stood in front of the camera, that's not a good angle kind of thing. Right. And just like, you know, okay, guys, like when you get told next, you have to move on. You have to wear a condom, whether it's for a blowjob or, you know, actual vaginal sex. You have to wear a condom. And, yeah, just basically, like, you have to be ready to go. So start getting to work, you know.

And I've never done a, I mean, a blow job with a condom. Yeah. That's what you're thinking. Yeah. it actually, it is weird, but it's sort of like, you know, some guys aren't super hygienic all the time. And so it does create sort of like a barrier in that sense. Most of the guys on the day were great. That were showered. Everything was all good. But I have had guys before who have rocked up to film with me and I'm like, oh my God, that is, that smell is not good and have

ask them to have a shower. And then I've worn a condom. Yeah, it's really, it's not good. And yeah, I don't like that part of it. What about? So the condom sort of acts as a barrier. Yeah. What about as far as attraction?

Like, is there a process almost like a casting process that happens where you're like approving that there is a certain aesthetic or a certain age? Are there any requirements around that? No, I think back when I first did like my application process where I was kind of doing individual meetups and stuff like that, I was a little bit more picky. But obviously for the challenge day, that was the whole point of it was like all shapes and sizes, all ages welcome type thing. And the guys all wore bella clavours, or at least most of them did. What is that? What is that?

What's that? Oh, you don't know what a belliclav is? Like, you know when like you're getting robbed and those guys come in with those. Oh, they had a face cover. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh. Wow. Okay.

Yeah. So their faces are not on camera. Everyone is covered. Yeah. And they were like baby pink, which I thought was really cute. I thought it was less scary than like black ski masks. And I look around. I feel like I'm getting robbed or something.

Yeah, yeah. But yeah. So their faces were all covered, but some guys were like, no, like I want to get my face in there. I don't mind. but I just mostly did it for their protection because I get a lot of hate online and I didn't want people like DMing them

or finding them online or outing them or them getting fired or something from their job. Or if they're married? Yeah, that was the other thing. There were quite a few married guys on the day which I didn't know at the time because I'm busy. I've got stuff going on

but my staff members would tell me after and I was like, oh, whoops. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude. Could you imagine? I know. That would be rough

if you find out that your husband was you're watching that behind your move. That mole on that left thigh. Yeah. How much of that is acting for you and how much do you actually, is there a part of you that gets turned on by it? Yeah, I mean, it was fun. Like, that's why I did it.

And I think everyone's like, oh, weren't you tired? But it's the adrenaline of the day. And it's so fun. Like, it was such a fun environment because the guys were all so excited and so happy to be there and be a part of it. And I was just so grateful that they showed up. So we, you know, we'd be like in the middle of the scene. And then one guy would leave, he'd be like, thank you so much. And I'd be like, thanks so much for coming. And then the next guy comes in. And it was just like, it was so funny. And we caught those bits on camera. But yeah, I just,

I love it. I enjoy it. I like, I finish like six times. So there were some guys who were like really good. Oh my gosh. And what does your fiance think of this? So he and I have been best friends for 10 years. So we've been best friends first and foremost. And he's been here to watch my journey on OnlyFans from the start. And so he's understood that like, you know, it's a business and it's also a job that I love and I enjoy. And he's always been super supportive of it because he's seen how happy it makes me and how much purpose it gives me. And, you know, obviously he's human. So it's not always, you know, rainbows and butterflies. Some days he's a little bit insecure. or he's not feeling great about himself and he'll be like, oh, you're going off and having sex with five guys? Like, cool. But once we have a conversation about it and he's sort of reminded, you know, like, you're my fiance, you know, this is work. I like it, but it's a job. He's always sort of, you know, he comes around and he feels a bit better about it. But, yeah, he is pretty supportive. Even on the day of the big challenge when it's that many guys that

you're sleeping with. Yeah, he's, I mean, he's, number one, thing is always like, just be safe, be smart. And he knew we had my assistants that were there on the day were also my friends. So, and friends with him. So he, you know, had that he's trust in them to take care of me and make sure I was okay and all of that. So yeah, yeah, he was okay with it. Does he watch your content? Um, if I'm like editing something on my computer and he walks in, like, you know, he'll, he'll be like, oh, what's this? But like, he doesn't sit down and watch my content. Right. Right. So let's go back a bit because it's interesting most of the people and the narrative in this world and in this field seem to have a really positive relationship to it, right?

But it does lend itself to the question of how is that affecting your self-esteem and what are the effects of it? Because we could take anything. I could talk about being a waitress and be like, yeah, it was good money and it was easy. and I liked the hours. But even that, there was things that affected me, right? So to be not affected would be kind of crazy. Yeah, I mean, I think it's like any job, yeah, as you said, you get affected by certain things at certain points.

For me, a big one is a lot of people will say, is this like you putting your value in how much people are attracted to you or how badly they want to have sex with you? And it's like, for me, no, because I've never, it's never been important for me, or it has been maybe back when I was younger. But like these days, I don't care about how much people want me. That's not important. I know my value.

I know my self-worth. I don't need other people to show me or tell me that. So that's one thing that I've got that I think, like, just makes it easier for me as opposed to some other people. But yeah, like, of course, there's negatives to it. It's basically putting myself up to be ridicule. and made fun of and I get the worst hate you've ever seen. I mean, all you have to do is go through my comment section on Instagram.

But I have thick skin. I think the industry has taught me to have thick skin. And at the end of the day, the only thing that I care about is what my friends and family think and, you know, that I'm sticking to my morals and what I believe in. And, yeah, there's hard days. There's days where I'm like, oh, you know, you're kind of up against it with, you know, social media violations. You're getting stuff taken down.

You're scared you're going to lose your account. the main sort, like that's basically your main marketing. And, you know, it's just a constant battle of being like, oh my God, is today the day I'm going to lose everything. So there's things like that that, yeah, it's quite stressful at times. But as a whole, it's the best job ever. And what about you said family? How does your family feel about all of it? Yeah, I'm really lucky that my family are very supportive. They, obviously, my mom specifically early days. She was more just worried about like my future. my safety, that kind of thing.

So she took a little while to come around. And when I say a little while, like a couple of weeks, she didn't talk to me for two weeks. And then she did start talking to me again. But it kind of took her like a year or two to fully see that like this was a business and that I was just, you know, this was a career and I was making money from it. And I was being smart with my money. And then she's now at the point where she's just like really pro sex work and she just,

yeah, it's super supportive. Yeah. And my dad's like just super chill. He's just like, yeah, if it makes you happy, do it like last short, yolo. Wow. I know. That's very Australian. Very Australian. And what about your physical health? Because let's talk about the hospitalization. What happened there? Yeah. So I have been dealing with endometriosis, well, probably since I was like 18. But I only got diagnosed like two years ago. And since then, I've been, like I had the surgery, I had it excised.

And then as of January, I've been having ongoing issues with just like heavy bleeding, really bad period pains, very, very irregular periods. And I've basically been to a specialist. I've had all the tests under the sun and they can't figure out what's going on. So I've been dealing with that behind the scenes whilst, you know, doing my job, which has been quite difficult at times, given the nature of my work. And then obviously I had the challenge coming up, so I was super anxious about where my health was going to be, the week of the challenge and the day of the challenge. And then the week prior leading up to the challenge, I was feeling great.

Everything was all good. Day of the challenge felt amazing. And then about two days after the challenge, I started bleeding quite heavily and was just in a lot of pain. And I mean, in the back of my head, I thought, okay, well, this is probably just the ongoing issues I've been having. But I didn't want to risk it just in case, you know, there was something. else that was maybe challenge-related. So I went to the hospital and all the doctors and all the nurses had seen, you know, the challenge. And so immediately they were like, well, maybe she's ruptured something. This could be really serious. So they did like a bunch of tests and scans and

whatnot. But yeah, they couldn't, again, once again, they couldn't figure out really why it was happening. And so they said, well, it's probably just your endometriosis. It's unlikely that it's the challenge. There's nothing like seriously wrong in there. So yeah. It's hard to believe that there wasn't anything like wrong or ruptured after that many over that amount of time like I would imagine. I don't know. I think like, well, realistically, each guy, the average size was like four to five inches. So these weren't like huge guys, you know. Maybe if it was like all porn stars, you know, there could be some serious issues there.

But like, because they were just average joes. But yeah, it wasn't too bad. I mean, we literally pushed babies out of there. So it's pretty elastic. Yeah, for sure. And so you would say like a majority were like average, average dose? Yeah, there was. Yeah.

Yeah. Average D's. Yeah. There was a few guys who were like bigger. But yeah, there were maybe like 20 of them. And the rest were, yeah, four or five inches on average. Wow. Did your body hurt afterwards? Yeah.

Yeah, my, like my arms, shoulders were really sore. My legs were a little bit sore. My jaw was a bit sore. That's why, like, on the day of the challenge, like, when I went home, my body was sore more than, like, my vagina was. That's interesting. That is interesting. Yeah. If it's only 30 seconds.

I mean, I don't know. Yeah, but still, I mean, listen, I'm going to be 100% honest. There's times I wouldn't want to have sex two times in a day. do you know what I mean like if my husband's like yeah you ready again I'm like fuck no we already did it today so to to think of that like physically mentally mentally emotionally like that takes a lot of stamina on a lot of levels that I don't think anyone could do I think that it takes a certain stamina to keep up with that right yeah that's what of the minds said I went in with it. I was like, well, this is a challenge. This isn't meant to be easy,

but I was excited. And like I said, a lot of it was adrenaline. Keep in mind, I, like, hadn't been to the gym in about six months. So that was, that's probably why my body was so sore, because I was, like, just using it more than I had been. But I also have days where I'm like, oh, I don't feel like having sex today. Like, I just, I can't, you know, like, I'm only human. I don't want it all the time. And that's why, you know, I was nervous because I was like, if I'm not really feeling it on the day, how am I going to do that many guys? So I was so relieved and I was like, okay, actually feel really good today and, you know, I'm keen to do this.

But I'm just very lucky. And so a lot of your content is actual, like sexual interaction, right? Is what you're filming most of the time. You say you meet up with strangers and it's kind of like the same process? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, basically just like giving normal guys a chance. And I think like my subscribers like that real raw content where, you know, I don't.

don't cut out the in-betweens. It's not like a perfectly curated porn scene, which, you know, I do do scenes like that as well. But I think they really like the regular looking guys who they're like, oh, that has happened to me before. He couldn't get hard. Like saying, that happens to me. Or he finished in 30 seconds or whatever it is that's relatable. It makes them feel better. And I like making that content because I think a lot of people put so much pressure on themselves to perform a certain way and like have their sex look a certain way just because that's what they've seen online. It's like, well, that's not real, you know?

Right. Well, do you ever have, like, actual porn stars come and film stuff with you? Yeah, yeah. I do, like, we call them creator collab. So, like, other people in the industry who do are only fans and stuff. We, yeah, we'll organize a collab collaboration. But it is quite hard because in Australia, there aren't a lot of male porn stars. So it's slim pickings.

Yeah. And then you guys would, you would split the, feet or the money you would make in a collab so the way it works is you obviously both have only fans accounts so you both sell it on both of your accounts and you keep the money you earn from it and you have to sell it for like the same price it gets released on the same day all that kind of thing are you open about how much you made doing the challenge yes so my earnings have basically tripled and I was earning like $200,000 a month before the challenge. Dude.

I mean, that's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. Okay, so $200,000 a month before and then doing the challenge. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I know how to do math. That's $600 a month.

Wow. Yeah, pretty crazy. That is crazy. But that's why we always. Let's talk about it. We're like, wow, there's so much money. Well, there's so much money and there's so much demand. Because if you think about it, if you think about 190 million people are subscribed, how many people are on the planet?

I know. But you said it's pretty saturated now? You think is it just like a ton of people doing it? It's become harder. Like I've seen it since I've done it in 2020. I remember it used to be like so easy. to earn. You know, I think back then I was earning like $20,000 a month. And I was like, wow, this is so easy. I was not putting in any effort at the time. Whereas, you know, like now these

days, you just, you do, you have to work harder. You have to market yourself harder because there's so many girls, like, I go on Instagram and it's just like, only fans girl, only fans girl, only fan skill. Like, you're on TikTok and it's all only fans girls. So you need to like stand out from the crowd. Like, why do people want to subscribe to you over that person, you know? The other thing is, like, of that, I think you said 190 million, 90 million of them are from the US. So the US is the biggest market. So as an Australian creator, as an Australian creator, it can be quite difficult to like crack the US market. But once you've done that, that's where the real money is. You know, Americans spend more money. I think there's, someone did some research and it's like an Australian

subscriber will spend like $20 on average, whereas an American subscriber will spend, like, $20 on average, whereas an American subscriber will spend like $80 on average. So there's quite a big difference there. Wow. I had a question in it, slipped my mind. What is it, have you cracked the code on what the Americans want? To be honest, I mean, it's not that different from what everyone else wants. They just want, a lot of the time, I mean, it differs person to person.

Some people want that, like, emotional connection almost, like girlfriend experience where they're sort of talking to you online and you talk to them every single day. You send them pictures of your food and what you're doing. at that time and all that kind of thing. And then other people, they literally just want to buy content. They're like, send me this video. I want that video. Or do you have a video of this? And obviously, there's a lot of fetishes out there as well. So, yeah. What's the craziest fetish that you've come across? There's honestly so many that I just did not even know it existed. Like, people have fetishes for like armpits. I get that a lot. They want to see like armpit photos and videos of me licking my

armpit, stuff like that. Licking your own. an armpit? Can you? Oh yeah, you can. Never try. And then there's like belly button fetishes. I get that quite a bit as well. People have fetishes, the gross ones like period blood and poo and urine and vomit even.

There's ones like that. Yeah. Which by the way, none of that's allowed on Only fans, but other platforms do allow that. I've never dabbled in that. That's not really my thing. That makes me sick. Yeah. That's weirdly common. Like, I feel like I get a request in that realm at least once a day. Wow. Once a day. Yeah. I don't understand what turns people on about vomit. I don't know. Is it a control thing? Like, what do you think that's about? I don't know. I would love to know, like childhood trauma or something. I don't know. Do you have childhood trauma?

Do I have childhood trauma? Yeah. I don't think so. I had a pretty normal upbringing. I went to a private, all-girls Catholic school from the age of five until I was 18. So it was kind of like, it's funny that I do what I do now, really. But my upbringing was, yeah, pretty normal.

I had a dad that loved me, a mum that loved me. They got divorced when I was quite young. That's the only sort of trauma, I guess I could say I had. Yeah. My question is around security and like what about like stalkers and things like that? I would imagine that would come into play a lot. So I've never had an issue with like a stalker in person, thank God. Touchwood. But I have had like issues with I guess people online being quite persistent. So this one person that comes to mind was, you know, always after the girlfriend experience. constantly messaging me. And, you know, I have to sleep. So when I'm sleeping, you know, he'd be just bombarding me with messages.

Why aren't you responding? Why aren't you responding? I'd wake up. I'd talk to him. He was a very big spender. He spent about $20,000. But he was getting to the point where he was like saying he was going to like kill himself if I didn't respond and stuff like that.

And it started making me feel really scared. And then he would send me screenshots of flights he booked because he was overseas. But flights he'd booked to come to Australia. and he would like make dinner reservations for both of us and send me screenshots of them. And it was just at the point where I was like, I can't do this anymore. It's not worth the money. So I blocked him. And then he basically, every time I'd block him, he'd make a new account.

And he would contact me on every social media platform, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok. He would send emails to my email account. Like, it was just relentless. And I started getting really scared that he was going to, you know, because I wasn't responding to him that he was going to come try and find me. So I did go to the police. just in case. But thankfully, that sort of like died down a little bit now.

And I haven't had any other experiences since, which is good. And that was the only experience you've had out of all of the subscribers? Yeah. Like, most of the guys are just quite respectful. At least maybe that's just my experience that I've been really lucky. Yeah. And what about as far as just having conversations with people? What do you charge for that?

And is it on camera? Oh, the conversation. No. Yeah. Yeah, so you can do like video calls and stuff like that where they charge, you know, you can charge, say, $300 for half an hour or whatever people charge. I don't have heaps of time for that, but I do do like, I call them sexting sessions, basically, where like you're chatting to your fans and then sending them videos and stuff

and then they send videos back. So it's sort of like almost like Snapchatting, but you're only fans. and you kind of just, I sort of put a price tag on the content. So I might send a video of just like me with my boobs out first. And that might be like $40. And then you kind of like go up in price as things progress. But to actually just chat to me on there, it is free. But obviously if you're, yeah.

So I think like, sorry, they pay the, they pay the $5, I've got a $5 subscription fee. They can chat to me for free. but if they're not spending money, I'm not really going to talk to them. So there's a certain period of time where I'm like, okay, I'll chat to you, hear some content, like, do you want to do a sexing session, blah, blah, blah.

I'll try for a couple of days. And if they don't spend any money, then it's like, right, well, I'm not going to talk to you then and waste my time. I've got subscribers that are paying to chat to me. I'm going to talk to them. Wow. So aside from the heavy hitters, like the vomit and the, you know, urine and all that,

what are some other fetishes that have, been introduced to you that you were like, interesting. Didn't know people. Because I've heard things recently where I'm like, besides like armpits or like, I don't know people, we recently found out that people get paid to be degraded and stuff like that. So yeah, that was new information for us. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's like, there's like financial domination as well where people will give you their bank account details and they're like, take all my money. Like, I want you to drain my bank accounts. Yeah. Why? What is going on? I don't know. It's like a control thing almost. Like they I don't know. It's like I guess the same thing. They just want to be like dominated and used it or something.

And then there's like balloon fetishes. So guys like these like huge balloons you can get and like you just sit on them and pop them and stuff, whether it be you're naked or not. A lot of guys are into that. That's called looning. Looning. Looning. Never heard it. So you just bounce on a balloon? Yeah, until it pops. And you don't have to be naked always. Well, yeah, sometimes they don't want you to be naked. They might say, like, oh, in a specific outfit or something. Obviously, for the most part, yeah, they want you to be naked.

But sometimes they don't. It's really mind-boggling. It's like, I think because of the internet, like, this has always been a thing, right? We just didn't know it. Now it's just exposed, right? Well, do you remember, like, I remember years ago when I first found out that foot fetishes were a thing, And now, like, everyone knows that they're a thing. It's like, oh, I'll just sell picks of my feet on Onlyfans.

But, like, back in the day, because there wasn't the internet and stuff, people didn't really know about that kind of thing. So I think it's the same with all these other fetishes. But, yeah, there's literally a fetish for everything. There's something called a giantess fetish where, like, guys want you to pretend like you're this huge monster and they're just like this tiny little person. You're, like, picking them up and manhandling them and stuff like that. And so you're playing these characters.

I mean, I, I kind of pick and choose the, like we call them custom videos that I do, depending on like how much time I have free and also how much money they're willing to pay as well. I used to do a lot more sort of like a year or two ago. But yeah, I still do them occasionally because they're fun and they're different. Well, it's also like, and I see why it's so intriguing because I'm like, I'll play a monster. You know? Yeah, that's easy.

That's easy. I'll jump on a balloon. Like, you know, it's just. It just doesn't seem some of the things, I'll drain your bank account. Like, why not? Yeah. Some of the things, but it's kind of, you can't just pick and choose, right? Or are there people that are like, I don't get naked, I just bounce on balloons, take it or leave it.

Yeah, you definitely can. I mean, that's the best thing about Onlyfans. It's like, it's your platform. So you have control over everything. You say what you will do, you say what you won't do. Of course, like, yeah, some guys might get annoyed that you won't do their request that they're asking for. but if you don't feel comfortable doing that, you absolutely don't have to. So the guy comes to and says, I want a balloon custom,

and you're like, yeah, that's fine, but I will not be nude. That's up to them whether or not they accept that or not. And that's trendy, a balloon custom. Loaning, Olivia. I'm sorry. Loaning, yeah. There's actually quite a large community. One of my friends, that's like her niche.

I don't do it so much, but I've had a few requests for it. But I don't think it's like, it's not like to the degree of like a foot fetish, but there's a lot of people that do like it. Okay, what else? This is fascinating. I don't know. I'm trying to think. There's just like, think about literally anything and there's a fetish for it. Like, trust me.

Every day I'm like, what the hell? What's the, like, I don't know. There's just people wanting different objects as well, like shoved in places that those objects shouldn't be, you know, shoved. My husband used to work in the emergency room and he's. said, I was like, what was one of the strangest things that you experienced working in the emergency room? And he said that they had a certain person that would come in and have light bulbs up their butt. But the reason they'd come in is because they like the way it felt to be taken out. So they wouldn't have them taken out by strangers. They would literally go into the hospital

and have people remove the light bulbs from their butt. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That's wild. That's, I've heard stories about people. I know this, you've told me this before, but you said they don't want to have strangers do it so they go to the hospital. And I'm like, isn't that the same thing? No, I mean, like they don't want the people that put it in to take it out. Right. They do want strangers to take them out.

Right, right. Yeah, you did. I was confused. But you have to do it so carefully because it could shatter. Yeah, it's really dangerous when you put stuff like that up there. But, yeah, there's a lot of people, a lot of guys. specifically they like that they'll do it in their spare time and stuff like that and then they end up in the hospital um yeah it's not it's not great i feel very boring i'm like i don't i know same

you're far from boring so do you have any thoughts on what the next big challenge will be I'm trying to figure it out. I think I'm going to put it to my followers and see what they want to see me do. I just saw my friend this morning actually put up a post. She's doing, I think, 2,000 guys in a day. What? I don't know if I can do that. 2,000. Yeah, I think I'm thinking more like I had a challenge this year. Part of my challenge was sleeping with 500 virgins. So I'm actually still working on that challenge. Where are you?

I've done, yeah, I've done like 225 or something around that number. So it's just, it's a lot hard. That's actually been the hardest challenge I've done because it's obviously hard to get virgins who are willing to, you know, lose their virginity on camera to a porn star. Yeah. And so, yeah, but everyone that's done it has been so grateful and had a great time. So, yeah, but I'm thinking like maybe if I can get X amount of virgins in a day, that would be cool, like 50 to 100 in a day. but yeah, it's just a little bit harder to organize.

Yeah. What's the youngest and what's the oldest that you know of, like from the challenge or whatever that you've slept with? The youngest, 18, that's nothing under 18. Right. And then the oldest, probably like 75. And what about as far as the hate goes? What has been, like, what has been that experience and why do you think that you get so much

hate. What is it that you're touching upon that's bothering people? I think, I don't know, I think it kind of depends. There's a lot of different aspects to it. I think the main thing is people hate to see a woman succeeding and being happy in doing something that she loves. And I think a lot of the time, the hate that I get online, whether or not they even realize it is they're jealous. I'm living my life so openly. I'm doing everything I want to do. I'm so comfortable. I'm so comfortable sharing these like sexual escapades online and being honest about my sex life where a lot of women feel like they have to be this way or whatever because of society and so they can't really live authentically. And so I think the fact that I'm out here living authentically getting paid a

shit ton of money to do it and doing something that's liberating and makes me feel good and having the financial freedom that I do, I think a lot of it comes from jealousy. But I think there's also people that you know, disagree with it because they, you know, don't really believe in sex work or they might be super religious or, you know, there's kind of different reasons, I think. But I think the main one is jealousy. Whether or not that's jealous that I've been with 583 guys in a day is a different thing. But yeah, I don't think it would be that. I don't think it would. That sounds exact. That sounds exhausting. I don't think is that. What about feelings like the human emotions of guilt, shame, do you ever wake up? going, what did I do? I mean, I do that if I have too many cookies, you know? If I had 500

cookies in one day, I would wake up being like, what is wrong with me? Do you ever have those feelings? No, because I don't know, it's just, I think it's really hard to explain because when I'm there, and I think everyone that was there on the day, the guys themselves, but also the, my workers, my employees that I had with me, they all saw it, that it's just such a positive, like, community energy where the guys are so respectful, I'm so respectful, and it's just, I don't know, it just feels really good. I'm not, it's not like I'm sleeping with guys that are really horrible or awful, and I'm like, oh, that was the worst thing ever. It's like, these guys are so lovely, they're so grateful, and it just makes you feel so good. Like, I walked away from that day being like, oh, I feel really

good. There was no regret, no shame. I'm just, you know, doing me, and they're doing them. So good on them for coming. Good on them for coming. Good on them for coming. And what about your relationship to your past religion that didn't seep into your brain at all? I think because it was like so pushed onto me and I didn't really have a choice like when I was younger, I almost went the opposite way where I was like, I don't, I don't necessarily believe in this. And I had it. You know, with the fact that obviously like back then the, you know, it was the Catholic church and they were against like gay marriage and that kind of thing, which I was like so for gay marriage and that kind of thing. I was like, this doesn't really align with me. This isn't what I believe in. And so,

yeah, I just sort of was like, that's just not for me. I hated that it was pushed onto me and that I was like forced to go to church and forced to do all these things that I didn't, you know, align with. So once I left school, I was like, that's it, done. I'm all done. But my mom is very Catholic. Like she goes to church every Sunday. Like she is quite religious. And what about women? Like women subscribers or, you know, do you only entertain men or is it women as well? Yeah, no.

I get, I do get women. They're less common. I think because my brand and like, well, I call it my brand because, you know, it is business. But it's more directed towards men. All the challenges I do are with men. So it's mostly men. But I do get a few women. particularly like couples like married couples will subscribe and they'll sort of do it together which

I really love um I think that's really nice and very progressive do you guys do that as a couple no that's I mean it's like you know if if you're a chef and then you get home from work you don't really feel like cooking do you know what I mean so it's what I do for work I don't really feel like subscribing to other people and you know doing it in my spare time right Yeah, we get it. We don't listen to a lot of podcasts. We're like, we need less talking when we get home. Yes.

But that makes sense. I'm curious what your relationship was with sexuality before you got to this point. So you said you started by doing pictures and the only fans. And then that was a gradual incline to actual sexual content. So what was your relationship like with sexuality? Prior to only fans. Yeah. Yeah, so I had like a really bad, I guess, like, idea of what sex was meant to be when I was younger.

I had a few bad experiences when I was like in my late teens. And then I started like thinking that, you know, that's what sex is. Sex is to like please a man. It's not for my enjoyment. It's for the male guy, the male person's enjoyment. So that's sort of what I always believed. And I actually credit only fans for being the reason why. why I really started to enjoy sex because I started, you know, filming sex for only fans.

And then I was like, oh, that was actually quite a good experience. Like I enjoyed that. And then I sort of started experimenting a little bit more and, you know, even telling the guys what I enjoyed. And then as time went on, it became more enjoyable. And I think, you know, I started to realize sex is meant to be pleasurable for both parties. And so sort of since doing only fans, that's sort of where my acceptance of sex has come from, I suppose.

And like even with, you know, obviously doing what I do and being so open about my life, I don't really care what people think. But like five years ago, I cared so much what people thought about me. Like it was my number one concern. I used to have the worst anxiety. All I cared about was, oh, do I look okay? Or is this person going to like me? Or did I just say the wrong thing?

Like, I was just constantly overthinking, constantly anxious. And I don't know what happened, but I've obviously gone. just the complete opposite end of the spectrum. And I'm just so much happier now. I'm so much more relaxed. I don't get anxiety anymore. It's just like, yeah, it's a much better life. Can you help me understand the difference, right?

I don't know the laws in Australia, but in the United States, prostitution is still illegal. However, porn is legal. And so what you're doing if someone, is it because they're not getting, Is it because they're not paying? They are paying. They're not paying. Not the people having sex with her. They are, aren't they?

Yeah. Oh, they're paying for it. No, no, no. No, it's free. People pay to watch it on OnlyFans. Yeah. But the men that are actually having sex with her are not paying her. Oh, got it.

Yeah. So is that what differentiates? No, well, so like prostitution, I believe, is legal in Australia, like at least escorting. escorting. I think it's similar realms. Oh, wait. Sorry. That's legal. In LA, I mean, in certain states, it's not legal here in the United States, but there are certain states where it is legal. I just wanted to clarify that. Okay, go on. Yeah. So, yeah, basically, they can absolutely go pay to have that experience, but I mean, if you're getting it offered to you for free, it's like, that's so much better. You save yourself like two grand. It's a much better option. Right. So they just pay to watch.

the content. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like porn. Yeah, but because here, like, let's say Los Angeles, it's still illegal here. Prostitution. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, but you can have sex on camera and that's not illegal. I just don't understand the difference. Hmm. You're looking at me like, I know. Do you? Like, what's the difference? I guess prostitution is like you're paying to have, sex with someone, whereas if you're paying to watch someone have sex, that's just like porn. So it's just the difference between porn and prostitution, I suppose. Yeah, I just don't get it. I'm like, what's the difference?

Just I guess that's why everyone's fighting to decriminalize it, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Which is an interesting thing. I feel like now is a time that we've never experienced when it comes to sex work. Yeah, it's so interesting because on one hand, you've got all the people that want to decriminalize it and give sex workers rights and whatnot. And then you've got the other side where everyone wants to just completely ban it. So it's sort of like a really uncertain area at the moment.

And you know, you hear about all these states in America that are making it harder to access porn, like on porn hub and stuff like that. You know, in certain states they have to show their idea every time they log on, which, you know, it does make. it a little bit harder for us as creators and it makes it feel a little bit uncertain, which is a bit scary. What states are those? I don't know, actually. I'm not sure. You're like asking her all the questions about the United States. Yeah, I know, I know, I know.

In my state, can we secretly log on to porn up? It's just so fascinating to me, you know, and it is, this is your brand and your business and everything and it's just very like interesting to hear the other side of it and how it all works and everything you experience and how respected you are by your subscribers and everything else. And I just think it's like just shining a light on something that we know nothing about. And so it's been really just super fascinating to hear it all. Totally. And one more question. So you take someone like Sophie Rain, right, who's making Sophie Rain made

what like 2 million in one day or something. Allegedly. Allegedly. Only fans? Okay. Well, didn't Bella Thorne or something? Didn't she make a ton of money

in a day for joining OnlyFans? I think so. And then, so you have someone like Sophie Rain who doesn't do what is it called? Intercourse. Explicit. Explicit.

So it's just like girl on girl, right? Like making out with chicks and stuff. I think it's really much. Correct? Yeah. I actually don't know. I haven't done my research, but I know she doesn't do, like, yeah, sex collabs with men. I'm not sure.

I don't even know if she does nudes and stuff. People can be quiet, like, secretive about the content they put out because they want people to subscribe expecting to see, like, sex tapes, and then they subscribe, and it's just, like, nudes or whatever. So you just don't know. Yeah, from what I've heard, she does more, like, girls showering with girls, really with kind of mild, beggy stuff. stuff and is making bananas cuckoo money allegedly, like you said.

So did you try that route first and their money wasn't there? So then you went to the explicit or were you just like, fuck it. I'm going to go. Well, she started. You started with like bikini photos and things like that, right? Yeah. Yeah. That was mostly because I was like so scared about people finding out.

And I was really insecure at the time. And so I didn't feel comfortable like putting notes and stuff up. And then as I got more comfortable, I felt more like, oh, yeah, I'm okay doing that and putting that content out there. But I think the money does lie in having explicit content. But if you are, you know, like Karina Koff or whatever, she makes like a million dollars a day or something absolutely insane. And that's because she was a huge personality, a huge influencer prior to starting her only fan. So she can get away with doing that. Whereas when you're just like a nobody, you kind of do have to.

push it a little bit further, I think. Well, you certainly have pushed it further. I mean, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, you're supporting, you know, just your proper, like everything. It's just very, I mean, congratulations on your success. Thanks. And being so open to talk about it and, you know, coming here to talk about it and telling

your whole story and we'll be. we'll be curious what the next challenge is. And how the longevity of your career. Yeah. Yeah. How long you can ride this thing out, you know, is. Yeah. No pun intended.

No pun intended. Is there anything else you want us to know or you want other people to know that they're going to get out there? Yeah. I mean, not really, to be honest. We've covered a lot. You guys have been very thorough. But yeah, I actually really appreciate. you guys like asking all these questions because the more we speak about this the more I hope to

like destigmatize it and yeah I just want people to say that I'm a real person yes I might be doing these insane things but I'm still like a normal girl just living her life you know yeah yeah yeah no I really appreciate you being so open and um honest and everything else very very cool yeah of course um I hope uh no more hospitalization yeah no more hospitalization and we'll keep the conversation going because I'm sure it's going to be an evolution and it's new. That's the truth. It's new. Yeah. You know, you're only three years in. Is that what you said? Yeah. That's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Yeah. So I'm sure there's going to be a whole evolution in your career and your life and we'll keep talking about it. For sure. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Thank you so much.

for being here. Yeah. Thank you. So we always say, you know, Olivia, are you going to start your only fans page for your feet? How do you feel about it now

after our conversation? We don't always say that. We always say it. I feel the same. But what are your thoughts now? They're the same. I have it set up. Nice.

Only feet. Milt feet coming at you. Wow. Someone was like, you're such a niche elf. I feel like you should just do an experiment. You should. What? No one's asking to see my feet.

Oh my God, Rachel, Sarah Billson, they want to see them. Are you kidding? Not my feet. Yeah, they do. Are you insane? They want to see my feet because I'm sitting next to you. This could change the economy. Watch this, guys.

Oh, my goodness. How much could I get for that just rubbing you with my feet the whole time? Well, I'm a podcast. We're a millionaires. Yeah. We want to know. That's a podcast. You want to know.

What else is going on? Yeah, that was fascinating. I truly just felt like I was sitting here learning for an hour. Yeah. She was really nice. What interests you the most? A future guest, John Gables, we talked about a similar thing of. It's unfortunate how quickly my brain goes to like, well, that's a really profitable business and stuff.

But I did think it was, of course, going from making $200,000 a month to $600 was very impressive. But it's not all about money. Wait, is that 600 Australian? Oh, that's a good question. I know. I meant to ask her. I don't know. Probably, right?

Or is only fans a U.S. company? Does anybody know this? These are questions I should have asked. See, we want to know it at all. Yep. Part two. It's so many questions. $600,000 a month.

Whatever it is still. $600,000 a month. Of any. And any currency is going to be a lot. Of chips. I'm not a fast math guy. Hold on, but. 600 times 12.

Unless it's like, yen. That's $7,200,000 a year. What? Good for her. Holy. All right. Holy crap. That's a lot of money.

It's a lot of money. I thought it was really interesting when she was talking about how much, I guess it's not very surprising, but like regular people is such a big market for her that it's not like, oh, we want to see you with other, you know, with other models and stars and stuff. it was like much more about, you know, like, like homemade as like a genre of porn. And it seems like that's like a market she's really tapped into. For sure.

Which makes sense why people would want that because they can relate to it. They're like, dude, that could be me. Yeah, for sure. Right. It's smart. Yeah, it is smart. Super interesting. It is.

It's still physically hard for. for me. Exhausting. To think about that. Yeah. It's a lot. The physical act of six hours of nonstop. Six hours of sex, period.

Even if it was with one person is a lot. Yeah. Yes. 25 minutes is a lot. Yeah. You know. Six hours. Six hours.

Huh. It's super fascinating. And that the fiancé is supportive. Yeah. Yeah, he's supportive. But there is one common thread of everyone we've talked to in OnlyFans or the porn industry or whatever. They're like, it's a job. It's business.

And so how does one separate their body in order to make it a business? I think it takes a certain type of person and personality. Like either you can or you can't. That's my opinion. I don't know if that's a fact. I wonder what Patty stays. would say. Yeah.

She's like, she's like, the, what you might call it? I don't know. What is it the hormone, the hormone, the, you guys. Pharma? Testosterone? No. Estrogen? No.

You guys. Not in. Progester? What? The one that makes you fall in love. And oxytocin. Yes. Did she oxytocin on all 540 of those men?

Like imprint? She's like all of a sudden I feel like I'm in love with 545 men I think it was like 583 Okay sorry I got their number wrong But yeah very impressive A lot a lot a lot I can barely sit for an hour

Without getting fidgety or distracted So Every time I sit in a movie theater to watch a movie Before it starts I'm like fuck I gotta sit here Yeah Watch this movie So you don't think you have have what it takes to do as she is they're going to say and you don't think you have ADHD like we

always say um i recorded yesterday someone who broke the Guinness World record for hanging by her hair for 25 straight minutes um she's a uh hanging by her hair like her whole head of hair yeah she like braided it and then like wrapped it around like a ring and then someone filmed her and she 25 minutes. Basically spun around for like 25 minutes. She's like a gymnast. And what's the word when you can contortionist? Yeah, she's an acrobat and everything.

I don't mean any disrespect to her, but I thought it would, you were going to say 24 hours. You're like 25 minutes. You got a day job. But she talked a lot about meditation and kind of what Annie was talking about too, of like, or a little bit, and then Gabris as well, mindfulness and appreciation and gratitude. And I find that's really interesting with like high performing people, how much meditation and gratitude is like a recurring thing for them.

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Annie seemed very grateful. Yeah. Yeah. She really did. Really, truly.

Really grateful. Yeah. So maybe she's just like, I'm grateful for that. Subscribers. That going in. right now, taking it in. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm sure it's pretty fun. I don't, it doesn't sound fun to me. Yeah, that's true. I mean, it might sound fun. Does it sound fun to you? 583 dudes in six hours? Yeah. That's a Tuesday.

No, it does not sound fun. It does not. Yeah, it's wild. It is, but she seems like to genuinely love what she does. She does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Have you ever considered doing it yourself? Only fans. Yeah. No. Has Kevin considered doing only fans? Hey, when I last more than 583 seconds, like, that's a great day. How would you feel if Leah wanted to do it? I support it.

You would? Yeah. I don't think I'd have any judgment. But. Even if she wanted to sleep with other people? That would be hard. But if it was from like a business standpoint, you're like you can make $600,000 a month. Jeff would be like absolutely, Olivia.

I got a proposition recently with the fee and he was like, dude, come on. Take it. That's funny. Gone, take the money and run. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. But it's interesting like with the business stuff too because I think I watch these like YouTube create guys of who have like 50 million YouTube followers and it's the same thing they're like

everyone loves your personality and he's like it's a business it's you know it's not just he's like same thing like I love my fans and this and that but at the end of the day I'm I'm running a multi like a several dozen employee staff and same with her it was just like she's hired several people I really liked the like vetting process she was talking about too of like it wasn't just like you know it's not just like quote unquote strangers there is like a vetting process to make sure that it's safe safety was like a big thing as well so i don't know it's all very interesting very interesting well let us know if there's any other areas you guys want to learn about yeah we're here for any kinds of guests and stuff yeah we love that love it love an expert yeah

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