Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Claudia Sulewski

Episode Date: December 5, 2022

Actor Claudia Sulewski is this week’s guest. Claudia, Olivia and Rachel discuss fear of heights, filmmaking and Claudia’s new movie I Love My Dad, the world of YouTube and Claudia’s family. Claudia’s also talks about her relationship with FINNEAS, Billie Eilish, and much more. Broad Ideas is supported by Everlywell. For listeners of the show, Everlywell is offering 20% off an at-home lab test at https://everlywell.com/ideas.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Today we have Claudia Saluski joining us. She is so stunning. It's hard to look at her face. She looks a lot like her brother. So it's funny to look at her face. Rob used to live with her brother. Mm-hmm. Could you look at his face?

He's a very pretty boy. I want to see a picture of her brother. He gets to that he looks like Leonardo DiCaprio a lot What? We'll show us him, I'm curious Yeah, I want to see him. She's an actress, and we watched this movie that she's in, and honestly,

I fucking love this movie, obsessed with this movie. Anyone who will listen, we're like, please watch this movie. It's called I Love My Dad. Patten Oswald in it? Patten Oswald's in it. It has an amazing cast,

and I was so impressed with this movie like all around directing writing acting all of it um so i was super excited to talk to her and meet her so let's bring her on sometimes when the one's sick inside of rachel's little brain all these thoughts are swirling round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys that a need. Because people die.

Claudia, thank you so much for coming here. You guys, I'm so excited and so honored. Oh, my God. Are you kidding? No, that's how I feel. And I know, that girl over there feels in the corner. Yep. But we were saying before we started recording, it's like literally hard to look at you.

You're just so stunning. Yeah, it's totally awkward. And I know. And Rob's going to have to sit next to you. I hope he handles it well. Oh, my God. But also just you walking in the room, you're just like an electricity burst of light and love. Yeah, your energy. It's just, it's all light and beautiful. Okay, this is so corny. But when I was, I think, 20, I got a little tattoo on my ankle right here that says shine. And it's actually, so that's very sweet of you to say because that's always been like a little thing that I've always aspired to. exude or carry is just like in any situation you can be a source of light and a source of positivity it's like I look at it now and I'm like this is very this is very corny but it's very sweet. Not at all. I think it's so sweet and it's a constant reminder which we can all use. Are you friends with Charlotte? Lawrence? Yes. I listened to her episode. Did you? How good was it?

Yeah. It was so good. Charlotte. She's another beam of light. You guys are both twin flames. Aw, too, that they're making them lighter and taller. And no, no, no, no. Yeah, what is that? I don't know. It's some kind of juice they were drinking. Guys, I'm a very medium 5-6. I am, that's not.

I don't consider myself tall. For us, that's tall. Oh, yeah. You guys, we have been sitting. I haven't fully. Yeah, I only have 5.2. I mean, I'm struggling. But that's okay.

That's why we make them sit. That's why we make them sit. I think I think. And that's why we don't stand up. No, every, every height is wonderful and beautiful. I love, I mean, like, I feel very traditional in a sense where I love having my boyfriend be taller than me, no matter what shoe I'm wearing. Oh yeah. And that's sort of my metric of like, you know what? I'm happy with this. Because I've always, I don't know. I do sometimes wish I was taller, but then I'm, then I take him back. You're like, yeah, I'm good. How tall is your boyfriend? He is, I think, six flat. Yeah. It's a good. That's a good. Yeah. That's a good barometer. I'm always like six feet and up. Yeah. And I'm only five, too, so I don't have an excuse. But I just like it. I like a tall man. I do like to feel a little. Like, you know, in their arms. Flip me around. Yeah. Pick me up. Right? Exactly. Just not on a staircase. I'm just not on a staircase. I'm just not on a staircase. You'll try carrying me up or something. And I'm flailing. I'm screaming. I'm like, take me, put me down, put me down, put me down. Put me down. How interesting. I don't know what it is. Yeah. Stairs.

Well, maybe just the fear of falling downstairs. Yeah. That wouldn't be fun. That just feels like a thing that can happen and you can still like bust your teeth out. It's a realistic fear of, yes, falling. I get that. I get it too. I'm okay with Heights, though.

How are you? I'm actually good with Heights. I've only gotten like a panic attack once and it was when I was on the top of the World Trade Center. And I was like, was it about that? height or was it like a weird feeling premonition that was the only time i ever that's really interesting i thought so too are you scared of heights rob i don't love heights you don't you don't even like flying right no i don't love flying either is it because of the heights no it's more like a claustrophobia being trapped in a tunnel that's floating in the air that makes sense it's not my vibe either

flying clusterphobic that's a whole other whole other category yeah it happens like right when they're locking down really yeah yeah I have like, all right, this is it. I have that. I have claustrophobia, but not on an airplane. That's weird. You're a good flyer. I'm a good flyer.

I feel like you're a good flyer. Yeah, I could tell. Those two, you guys are going on your own plane. No. You know, the hum of just the aircraft puts me right to sleep too. I knock out second amount of one. So, first I want to say that we all watched your movie. Oh, you guys.

Oh, my God. So blown away. First of all, you are incredible in it. What a beautiful, honest, playful, present performance. Like, fully just, I mean, and you're so stunning to look at, like we said, and all of it. It was blown away by it and the film itself. And funny enough, I reached out to James, the director, writer, and I wound up speaking to him because I was like, we're going to talk to Claudia. and he had the most amazing things to say about you

and the process of casting you in the film. And I thought it was so rad how willing you were and you just like went for it. And just tell us a little bit about the process and experience. Yes. Well, nowadays, post-pandemic or kind of still in it, coming out of it, the audition process is almost exclusively self-tapes,

which is a great thing in a terrible thing. I think there's pros and cons to both types of auditions. But the process itself was it started out pretty standard, a self-tape, then a call back, then a Zoom director session. I think we had maybe two of those. And the second one, we were on Zoom for like an hour. And he was like, okay, so now it's so embarrassing and just do whatever. And then, okay, now reel it back.

And I think, you know, we just wanted to play around. and he was testing to see how I took direction and if I was willing to go to whatever extreme just for the fun of it. And so that all went great. And then, yeah, when I got the call from James that I got it, it was less than 24 hours before I had to pack all my shit and go. Of course.

Because that's how it happens. Of course. I fully thought, yeah, I didn't get this one. That's all right. You know, we'll get the next one. And then, yeah, sometimes these things are just so last minute. And after our Zoom call, when I first sort of figured, like, maybe I didn't get it, I had sent him. Because it went so great.

We exchanged numbers. We exchanged emails. And I had sent him a note just saying, like, thank you so much for your time on Friday. It was wonderful to meet you. I can't wait to see this movie when it's out. It's going to be fucking awesome. Good luck with everything. And he said, like, when I sent him.

that email, he was like, oh my God, wait, is she the one? So follow up, you know? That's the lesson I learned with that. Right. Good for you. Just not just sweet note, just to say like good luck. And it ended up working out where I was able to be a part of it and I'm so glad that he trusted me because I think for such a long time and I'm sure we'll dive into this, but from someone who comes from a digital background, I've always felt whether it's self-inflicted or it's a real thing, but I've always felt like, oh, I just need, I need someone to just trust and allow me to, you know, go all in on with the role as significant as Becca and be able to kind of like maybe break that mold

of maybe whatever stereotype a YouTuber can carry into a casting room, you know. And so I feel very lucky just in the time and place that that all happened. And it weirdly does feel like this kind of new chapter, new beginning for me. For sure. I mean, it's going to, yeah, I mean, I can't. You're going to explode. But like, so the whole YouTube world, and that's super foreign to me and to us. And how did that start?

You just started like your own channel or you started posting videos. Yeah. So I started when I was 13. Wow. I was in middle school. It was 2009. And at that point, I think YouTube. launched itself on 2005, maybe or something. So it was still a fairly new website. And at that time,

there were a few quote-unquote YouTubers making consistent videos and growing communities. But also the most common types of videos were like, Gorilla at the Zoo. And just like random, like, viral filmed on a Nokia cell phone, uploading straight to YouTube vibe. And I, from like a very early young age, I've always admired filmmaking and specifically the filming and editing process. I think that was just like my little niche and thing that I love to do as a hobby after school. And I feel like so many people say this, but like the classic like filming music video with your friends and, you know, using photo booth on your laptop and all this stuff. And I remember watching, yeah, kind of like exploring YouTube and what it was starting to become. And I,

And I made a channel for fun, didn't tell any of my friends, didn't tell my parents, which looking back at it, I'm like, as a 13-year-old, I definitely should have. But I didn't, that was also the time where, like, the internet still felt very scary. And so I didn't even share my first name. Like, I remember making a video revealing my first name, like a year into YouTube. The video was, like, revealing my name. And I'm like, hi, guys, happy Valentine's Day. So my name is Claudia. Oh my God. Like that's like how just yeah, how long it's been. But I was really lucky to have very supportive parents that sort of like, you know, supported me along the way, definitely with confusion. But I think they recognized right away that I was very passionate about it. And so,

I mean, as the years went by, so I've been making YouTube videos for, I think, 13 years now, over 13. So that is, yes. So that's where I've put my 10,000 hours. And every year, it just became even more legitimized through working with brands and getting compensated for it and turning it into a career. Yeah. For sure. It's your business. It's your way. Yeah. How did it start? What were the things that you were showing or presenting or? Yeah, so at the time, the term beauty guru started kind of becoming a thing. So anyone just sharing videos talking about makeup or fashion or tutorials, halls. And I've always been like a very girly girl and have interest in all of those things. So combining that with just being able to film and edit

something, I thought, okay, maybe this is my thing. And this can allow me to just do this, you know, this weird thing and get to make videos. And I'm happy that I stuck with that because it's been able to kind of like morph into more of a lifestyle channel that feels very personal and flexible. And so over the years like that has just sort of become its own thing as with many other creators too. And yeah, I think also like it allowed for me to feel very authentic with it because there are so many channels that at that time there were spoof channels, making like, I don't even know, they'd be like spoof music videos to like a Kesha song or something or a Shakira song. And I don't know, I'm glad I took the route that I did because it just allowed me to like grow into that.

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He makes these little YouTube videos, but I don't have it. He's seven. So they're just for us. They're just for the family. And, you know, it's his passion. Like, he can make a mean-ass video. Like, he's fucking good. I'm like, dude, you're really good. And, you know, we're always like, no, no, no, no, no. And there's so much stigma attached to what happens to young people when they put themselves out there like that.

And I'm really curious if you experienced any of that, your family. What was that like? Yeah, I think for your son being so young, I think that that's so great that he's finding excitement and passion in it. And even if it's just making videos for the family and for you guys to watch, like, that's another version of like, mom and dad, we made a dance. Everyone, you need to watch. Whatever your version of that was. Like, I would suggest, like, encouraging that. And but in terms of posting online, oh, it's so tricky. I mean, I really fell on the line. I'm, I think I'm, like, right in between millennial and Gen Z. I think I'm, like, technically the last bit

of millennial because I don't know when the internet really became a big part of it. I mean, honestly, middle school is when the internet became a big part of my life. But I was a part of like the firefly cell phone that only had, you know, four people you can call and right. The razors and crazers and, you know, blueberries. And like, um, blueberry. That that was, that was, Blackberry. Blackberry? I was thinking I was blueberry like a kid one. Yeah, that's like the, for the young Oh my gosh. I was like, I know that sounds wrong. That doesn't sound right. And so I, you know, I had a childhood spent mostly outdoors and I feel very lucky that I have that because I just think now with TikTok and everything. Like kids are on their iPads right out of the womb. And it does freak me out. It makes me constantly think about like what I'm going to do as a mom.

Yeah, just thinking like because we're raising our kids. My daughter is turning eight this month. So I don't want her to have. access to all that? No. No. Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, that's true. I'm going to try to hold off on that for as long as possible. She has an Instagram account though, right? Did you like save the handle? I'm really like, oh my God, save the handle. I'm like, should we save the handle? Just a, oh my God, that's hilarious. We have a Gmail account for Calvin. Yeah, I mean, that has a email. I didn't do that. I know. I probably should. I can still do it. It's probably so much. I didn't do it to save it for him. I just did it because we set it up to his iPad for... Oh.

The plan was to email him every, like, a little bit. Stories. Oh, my gosh. That's cute. We did not follow through on that. Oh. Like his, like,

milestones and stuff, you mean? That's so scary. How far did you go? He didn't do it at all. You didn't even make one? No, we did. We made it. That was it.

He's five now. Well, he has one to look back on. You could do every five years or something. Put like a time, like a countdown in your phone. Yeah, I have read that before. It's a really good idea. I really miss the boat on that one. But yeah, I just don't know.

I think that it's this weird. And I think about in high school, going through high school with social media and all that. And I'm grateful that it didn't exist, you know? But I think there's a way to do it. And you said your parents are very supportive of. Yeah. And I think I definitely threw myself into maybe like at the time. during my age and grade and generation, like, I definitely put myself on the map in terms of

using the internet and living publicly. And that, of course, did come with its own kind of turbulations in terms of, like, I did get a lot of shit for it in high school, mostly from older grades. It'd be like the girls of older grades. They would shout my username, like, down the hallway, which was Beyond Beauty Star. Very silly. Beyond Beauty Star. Almost as silly. Um, so cute. And so they'd be like, Beyond Beauty Star, you know. Um, and so yeah, I did have to deal with that. And, but also, like, for some reason at such a young age, like my, I was so laser focused on it. And I think I just, like, had a feeling that this was something worth taking care of and, and, and being consistent with that, like, all of that just kind of, I don't know, like clouded around and kind of. kind of just didn't matter. But I think the judgment or any sort of hatred online, of course, that was really tricky to navigate because doing it for 13. So I'm 26, which means I've

officially like filmed and documented my life for as long as I've lived without it. Wow. That's so crazy. And those. And the last 13 years are the formative ones, the ones where I'm, you know, dating guys and getting braces and then getting braces again and then moving and and getting out, whatever. And so, yeah, I don't, I don't know. I feel very lucky that I don't have, you know, maybe any sort of like mental health setbacks. I feel very lucky in that. It probably speaks to your support system, right? Definitely. With friends and my relationship and my parents and everything. Because, yeah, it can be very detrimental and very, very intense to be

showing so much of yourself and allowing all these strangers to have these full concepts about you. I know. You know, and there were different websites and forums, like, dedicated to just hating on YouTubers. And, like, I remember the day where I was like, I'm never looking at this website ever again. Good for you. Yeah. And I, like, sometimes they'll still think about it. And I'm like, I bet they're still writing in there.

Yeah. But I'm not going to look at it. And it almost feels like when you're sober, don't you get, like, every year you get a chip. I'm literally, I'm like, I'm six chips in. Without looking at this website, I am not looking at it. No, that's so good. Yeah. It's so not worth it.

No, but for you to have that, you know, the wherewithal to be like, oh, if I don't reason, I'm not going to feel bad, you know? And to do that, especially at a young age, I mean, yeah, that I commend you for that because that just shows such emotional maturity and just mental maturity. Yeah, it's a really solid constitution. Yeah. Where you're like, why hurt myself? Because for me, naturally.

I'm instinctively going to hurt myself. Like that's my knee-jerk reaction is like, ooh, how can I make myself hurt? And that you recognize that hurts me. I'm going to stop doing it is amazing. Yeah. Because it is this weird, like, I don't know, satisfaction is not the right word, but you know how like with the internet you get that instant gratification of like either the positive or the negative, whatever you want to look at you're focusing in on?

And so exactly, like the times I would search for those comments and just see like, what are the lies people are spewing. Yeah. You know, usually those were moments where I was feeling insecure about something or, you know. Of course. 100%. Because it only can affect you if it's something that you believe or something you're afraid of. It can only trigger you if it's your material, right? And look at where you are now and watch.

this movie, thank God you didn't stop. Thank God you didn't listen to those people. Because watching that movie, it's like you were supposed to do that. You really were. And it's amazing to see someone with such, you know, you and Charlotte, both like these young girls that are just like on a path, determined. So strong. So strong and wise.

Yeah. I mean, I definitely like look like, why is wrong laughing? You just locked eyes for me. Rob, you're doing great. But no, Olivia and I, thinking of it at like, you know, Charlotte's what, 22 and you're 26, right? It's like looking at us at those, like definitely not these confident beaming lights of amazingness like you guys are. And it's and it is interesting. And I think just how, like I was saying before, like how mature and I just I really have to commend you because it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

really, it's refreshing. It's awesome to see and witness. And like she said, like the talent that you show in this movie, I just think there's nowhere but like skyrocketing for you. And it's nice to be like a witness as it's kind of happening in that world, right? Because you've had all the success on YouTube and stuff. And I don't know, my daughter's doing the same thing. She's every day. She doesn't know what it means because she doesn't really know what YouTube is. But she'll be like, Mom, Ari and I are making a movie. Can you post it on YouTube? And I was like, I don't know how to do that, you know? Yeah, which is true.

Honestly, that's like a great response to have right now. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know how to do that. She doesn't even know what it means, though. But I actually literally do not know how to do that. Do that. But it is a thing.

And kids are aware and all of it, like the Instagram world and everything else. I know. It really worries me with, I guess, like, the younger generations, I guess, like social skills or anxiety because I feel like it's all so internalized and people are getting so used to. I mean, here's a thing. It's like, it's such a double-edged sword because it's wonderful that like you can reach out to anyone at the hands of your fingertips, you know, thinking about like any kid who's living in a random state feeling so unseen, unheard by maybe their peers, their family, and building a friendship with someone across the country, you know, and identifying.

with them and whatever receiving and sending love through that friendship. Like, that's beautiful. And honestly, I felt that way with all of my closest friends now. We all started making YouTube videos and we're from all over the place. I'm from Illinois. We've got a girl from West Virginia. We've got New York, California. And we all around the same summer had all moved to Los Angeles together in 2014. You're like the YouTube Avengers. I know. I will say it wasn't very unique of us because there was this sort of wave of YouTubers coming into Los Angeles and all moving here and realizing like,

all right, wait, here's where the opportunities lie, however you want to, you know, call it. Did you just get a big house with everyone? Okay, so I did do that at one point. So I did have like a Bachelor pad. It was in Sawtown area, which is so random. Really random. I am never there anymore.

Never. But we did, we found a house and it was the four of us, three of my best friends and I, we all live together and we'd throw so many parties. I was going to say, you must have fun. The floors were always sticky. I honestly, like, I very quickly turned into the mother of the household, which I'm very comfortable being in that position. I love nurturing and, you know, but I definitely reached a flyer. I was like, all right, you guys, we got to slow down.

This is intense. But yeah, I found friendship through the internet. So in many ways, it's an incredible tool. It's amazing. And there are so many careers that are now possible with social media and the internet, obviously. For sure. So there are great things, but I do worry about the young, young exposure to it because it impacts things that we're not necessarily maybe thinking about yet,

like the comfortability with speaking to others in a room. versus on a phone typing, you know. I mean, I suffer from that anyway, but... I also think it's really ironic that you form these friendships, your life completely changed because of the internet, and bonding with people you didn't know, which comes full circle to the movie. Oh, yeah.

Like, in such a wild way. Everybody needs to go see this movie. Yeah. You don't go see movies anymore. We haven't said the name of it yet. I love my dad. I love my dad. I love my dad.

Yeah. Now it's, I mean, it's available for rent and purchase everywhere. And then it's going to be on Hulu in a few days when this comes out, I really. Yeah. Which is, yeah, very, very. Very exciting, right? Because that's like the other side, right? Of what people, I don't want to give away what the movie's about it.

I don't know how much you. I mean, I think you can watch the trailer and it. I can give a very, very, please do it. PR, friendly, yeah. Logline. Uh-huh. So, I think you can watch. So I Love My Dad is about an estranged father who, an attempt to reconnect with his son,

creates a Facebook profile using a waitress's face and name, just in trying to be able to just, like, add him as a friend and see his photos and see what's going on and really just end it there. But as the movie progresses, he sort of, into a catfish situation with his son where, you know, they start talking. The son thinks he's talking to a pretty girl. And it's his dad. And then, as you can imagine, things escalate, things entirely shatter.

And it's like, I love it because it's like it's a proper comedy. But in many ways, it's also like a horror. It's a dark comedy, I think I would say. Yeah, I wouldn't even call it proper. I don't think it's proper at all. I'd call it dark. Definitely tart. Yeah.

Because it's also very moving. It's very sad. It's very moving. It's brilliant. It's brilliant. I know. James killed it. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Across the board, so impressed with every single person involved with this movie. And obviously, he's the captain of the ship writing and directing it. But Patton Oswald, I mean, Rachel Dratch. I can't even. I know. Could you die for her? I mean, all of you guys.

I can't handle. Even the mom. And, you know. Amy Landecker. Yeah, she was great. Yes. She was fantastic. I know.

It's just blew like totally out of the park with this one Just home run Grand Slam, let's say Rob appreciates the baseball Lingo Rob appreciates that we watched The movie

It's not Rob appreciate This is the first time they've watched A movie for a guest I watch the movies Do you? Yes Have there been movies? Yeah, I'm just kidding

I watch whatever show Well, I feel very honored You did watch that to you guys for a show I watch everything All right. Rachel, that's the first one Rachel's watched. Listen, single mom, okay, it's not as easy. Yeah.

Throw that out there. As a dog mom, I feel that. I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Oh my gosh. Just as, yeah. But Rob did push this one, and oftentimes he doesn't push it. I'm happy you pushed it.

But he's so very, like, neutral. So we would never know, like, how amazing this movie was. She just kept pushing us to watch it, which was his way of saying. He's like, just that's true. Watch it. Yeah. That's his way of saying. He was just like, I think you'll like it.

But normally he doesn't push it, but he wanted us to see it because he knew. And you have a special connection to it too, Rob, don't you? Yes. I used to live with Claudia's brother. He's like, I used to live with Claudia. I am a YouTuber. Could you imagine Rob as a YouTuber? Hi, guys.

I so want to hear all of this because I have. feel like Marston, my older brother, has only given me, like, bits and pieces. So you guys live together? Very briefly. Yeah. That spot on division above the Starbucks. So you guys are both from Chicago.

Both from Chicago. And he left for a while, and his stuff was just in that apartment. Yep. Sounds like him. Yep. And then I lived with Mark, Company of Thieves, when he joined them.

Yep. Oh, this is so crazy. And then he would come over, we'd play like Xbox all the time. Yeah. Play NHL. And hockey. Hockey. Gosh, I love that.

Older or younger brother? She's older, right? Older. He said older. Yeah, he's older. He's 34. 34. And you guys, your family is from Poland, right?

Yes. So both of my parents, born in Poland, moved to America in their early 20s. Wow. With only knowing, like, yes, no, and thank you in English. Oh, my gosh. No, it's like the true, like, immigration, kind of American dream story in the sense that, yeah, they came out here kind of with nothing and knowing nobody and really built a beautiful, safe life and home for my brothers and I. And I think so much of that impacted and influenced my work ethic and wanting to, like, I think, like, ever since I was really little, I've always wanted to. to just like let them know that it was worth it and showing my gratitude through my hard work

to be like, you guys don't have to worry about me. And yeah, I just like, I think about all the time how different things would have been if they had never moved to America. So I was born in Chicago. So I've actually never been to Poland yet. Whoa. Wow. Crazy.

I know. I know. I need to go. I feel like it would be a very. insane, visceral, like, cathartic experience. But they've only visited a few times since moving. And Marston's in New Zealand? Yeah, he lives in New Zealand.

His wife is from New Zealand, and they just had a baby. I think he's five months now. And I had just recently gone to visit with Phineas, and so I got to meet my first nephew. And oh, my God, that was so exciting. How cool! And so sweet. He's like the cutest chunk.

We had a baby right before him. So we were, we reconnected a lot. Oh my God. They were pregnant. A fatherly bond. Yes. And then I randomly ran into you. Yeah.

A few weeks after that at all time. At all time. Mm-hmm. Because he had sent me in the trailer to the movie. Oh, my God. I'm so proud of his sister. That's so sweet. That's nice to have a support of older brother. I know.

He's very sweet. That's so cool. And then she was just sitting behind us at all time. And I was like, you're Marson's sister, right? That's so cool. So you're an aunt now. Our kids, something you want. Because you have a boyfriend.

You guys have been together. Yes. How long? We just recently celebrated our four-year anniversary. Wow. Congratulations. Thank you. That's a long time.

Yeah. For sure. Like four years, it's like you're... Solid. Very solid. And we've sort of done everything leading up to the big moments, right? The engagement, the wedding, the kids, all that stuff. Like, we've, we bought a house together.

And we've been living in that house for three years now. On our one-year anniversary, we spent it looking over inspections on the house that we were running together. So we moved quick. Very fast. Yeah. And then a month into living together, I had the genius idea of getting a dog together. And we had the double genius idea of getting a pit bull. Oh.

Which is, which she is, bless her heart, she's the best dog in the entire worlds. But I've had pits. Yeah, awesome. They're so amazing. Yes. And as you probably know, so high maintenance, so much energy. And there's just more you need to consider as a Pippel owner given the stigma and fear surrounding them. And so Phineas' mom, my favorite thing, she's like, Peaches specifically, because our whole family, like, we've all got pits.

And she goes, Peaches specifically as a personality is about as close as you can get to having a child, without it actually being a human. Aw. She's like, the way that I watch you guys, just like the attention and the concern around her and her happiness, it is very close. It is very close to. That's so sweet.

Well, they are your first babies, right? A lot of the time, so. It's amazing training, honestly. I mean, Phineas is like he is so ready to be a dad. Like, if he could already have... Is he older than you? He's younger than me. Oh, wow.

I know, Planto is? Yeah. A lot twist. I'm 26. He's 25. Okay. So not much younger. No, yeah.

Yeah. I was 22 and he was 21 when we first met. And I remember thinking like, you're at least 26. Like, you're giving 27 energy. Just the way that he, I don't know, he just speaks so eloquently. He's so smart and so interesting and interested and just like how he carries himself. And obviously he's has just built so much. So it's, I mean, I am like,

forever in awe of him and it's really exciting to feel so motivated by your partner. But yeah, definitely giving off like older energy, which also I kind of love. Because sometimes it's the opposite with men, you know? For sure. They're a little bit delayed. Rob's energy is 13, so we... I was kidding. How did you meet him?

So we met technically on a dating app. Okay, okay. And those are just the times you're living in. I remember at first, like, anytime we share our story, I would say it with like some sort of prefacing, like, but wait, wait, wait, there's more. But honestly, like, when I think about it, it's actually like in this day and age, it is so difficult to meet people in person. For sure. You know, unless it's through a friend group or mutuals because someone going up to you at a bar. It's like, I right away want to know, like, okay, like, what crew are you hanging with?

Like what is like, you know what I mean? Because it's like scary. Like talking to a stranger. Sure. With like a personal resume that you can review and like or whatever they're putting out. I mean, obviously the grain of salt. But you know more at least going into it. I think it's a great way to meet people.

Yeah. Honestly. Because you can do your little like stocky stock if you need to. Yeah. But yeah, we met on Raya with Raya. Raya. I'm not sure. And.

And sort of the back story of it is that Phineas obviously makes music. And two of my best friends, Rebecca and Drew, also make music. And so two years leading up to us matching, they had a few, like, sessions, writing sessions with him. And both of my friends would come back from those sessions being like, you know, I just had a session with this guy named Phineas. I feel like you guys would hit it off. Oh, wow. Because he's always out of town. Like there was always this like, but it's not worth it.

Like he's, and for some reason, like, I never thought to look him up. The name Phineas made me think of like some Frenchman. Like I literally was like, he lives in France. He obviously doesn't live here because he's always out of town. And I never did anything about it. And for like two years, like specifically my friend Rebecca, like six months later, she'd be like, God, you and Phineas? Like, I really, no, but it's not, I think he has a girlfriend or, you know, whatever it was.

And then it was like, yeah, sometimes. December 2018 and I was out to breakfast with Rebecca and we were like, let's just go on, let's just see what's happening right. Because we were complaining about like men in Los Angeles and how difficult that it's to find quality men. And I, we're on Raya. At 22, and she's having this conversation by the way. I had that same experience. Oh my God. No, I truly feel like I've, I've really, I've tested out the waters. Yeah, I'm satiated. I am content. Yeah. And I stumbled across his profile and I was like, Finney, is this the guy that you've told me about? Like, on very many separate occasions. And she freaks out. And she's like, yes, oh my God. Oh, my God, you guys are

going to fall in love. I already know it. I fucking know it. You're going to fall in love. Oh, my God. See if he matches you. And we matched. And then a week later, I invited him to the movies with the two friends that he had or that he knew. Yeah. So it was a perfect kind of like group, but also definitely a date vibe. And then from there it was. And then we just took off. We hung out as much as we could that following week and then he had to go on tour for a week and then a month in we're saying I love you and then we're like

is that boyfriend? Are we boyfriend now because of that? He's like, I don't know, I can save that for a cuter moment I can ask you later. So then that came later. What movie was it? I was the first movie. It was Assassination Nation which was the crater of euphoria.

It was his film and it's like so, it's a great movie. It's like it's a bloody, gory sexy. It's like about what happens? It's like the whole school like gets blackmailed or something. Like everyone's text and emails leaks.

I don't know if she's in it, but Suki Waterhouse is in it. It's that energy. Yeah. And then like it somehow turns into everyone like killing each other. But nice romantic first. But it was very artistically made. And yeah, definitely. You know what? I remember when I texted him about about seeing the movie

I had sent him like a like a YouTube trailer for it and the thumbnail was like I think it was like a girl with her head back and like a hand down her throat and it looked like the thumbnail for like a porn video and I was like oh dear God I really hope he presses on this

because I swear this looks like a good this looks like a good movie and yeah that was that was very funny like you want to watch this with me and two of my friends It's so congested. I have a question. So when you're on the dating app,

what kind of pictures did you post? Oh, my God. Oh, yes. Oh, isn't that the question? Okay, my song was, it's by Gibbs. What is this? It's a very, like, chill song.

I wanted to find something that was, like, that people wouldn't, oh, it's so, it's so insane how much you can, like, overthink it. Yeah. I, like, chose a song that, like, maybe very many people wouldn't know, and it was chill.

It was like very, I don't know. Of course now, oh, it's called Stay for a while by Gibbs. It's got like a ping pong in the background of the side. It's cool. And I think mine were like, I was like a selfie, then a group pick. It's sort of like how you might curate like a carousel these days. Because Raya allows you to, you know, show many. And it's sort of just like played in like a cross-fade kind of video with the song.

I don't know if that's still what it's like. but I think I was like consciously separating the selfies from the friend group and then some, you know, a silly one and then a hot one, then a thirst trap, you know, like what would be your thirst trap? Oh my God. Like bikini. Probably like a bikini pick that maybe someone took a me so it's not like a mirror. Right.

Like a casual bikini. Like I'm just having a piece. Oh my gosh. I'm just living my life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Like a fake laugh kind of moment. I just feel like it would be so fun to create one.

Like I don't, I am still in, like, I can't wrap my head around like riot or like a dating app. But I want to create one just because thinking of your song, like, what's more fun? Remember when I went on a date and the guy was like, bring your top 10 list of your favorite songs or something. Wasn't it something like that? Do you remember that? Yes. But that was so much fun for me to try, because it like represents you, right? And like trying to come up with that.

Like, I love that kind of shit because you're just like. But he also asked you to look at his Instagram and tell. tell him how you felt about it. My likes and dislikes of his Instagram. Yeah, that was the first red flag, for sure. We were like, whoa, this feels like a test. That was the first red flag. You had homework.

My friend, he was, yeah. Right? And then my friends were like, oh, I want to see this guy. And I'm like, oh, my friends, like, want to see him. He was private. And he was like, I feel really weird about. He wouldn't accept us. He wouldn't accept them before meeting them or something.

And I was like, this guy takes himself like way, either way too seriously or he's being funny, but it didn't turn out that way. No, it wasn't funny because he didn't accept us. That's right. Yeah. We're like, oh, you're not the vibe. Yeah. No, no.

Yeah, but anyway, so that was a dating app experience for you? No, no, I've never been on a dating app, but that was just a dating experience. Do we get you on a lot? My friends really would love that. We're going to do an episode of the podcast where you sign up. Maybe this is when we do a hard pivot and we start curating your dating profile. And then I deleted immediately, but like just to find the pictures in the song. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And a sense of messages. So you do your thirst trap, which is like a bikini. laughing, oh, you casually caught me, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then one with your friends to show your normal. Normal. Normal. Yeah. And then one selfie. Yeah. And like maybe one with like an animal. I think like having a horse. Okay. Do you like horses? Do you ride? Hate them. I think they're gorgeous and majestic and I just never. I haven't spent enough time with horses. But you're like, but I want them to know that I appreciate a horse.

Yeah, I wish I could be a horse girl. Totally. I get that. So how many dates before Phineas? Oh, I've only, I've only met up with someone in person once before Phineas. Like, I was very resistant to. Now, does catfishing happen on Raya or is it actually truly vetted and it won't happen? That's what's great about Raya is like there is this.

We're coming full circle here with a cat fishing, by though. Yeah, we really are. Yeah. Great job. Thanks. It's one of those pretentious dating up where, like, you have to be invited by someone or accepted. Like, there's kind of like a process to get into it. And I'm pretty sure there's like a paywall too.

So you're also paying to be on this up? I think so. I didn't know that. But it was worth every dollar. Well, clearly. I know a lot of people that have met and matched on Ryan and, like, success stories. Elisa Schlesinger has met her husband. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And it connects to your Instagram, too. So there's such a legitimacy to it. Right. And so that, I mean, that just gave like such a layer of like comfort and safety and protection.

Because, because, yeah, like anyone can sign up for hinge and bumble. And then you're just like going through such a pool of so many people. And I think also like I have always been interested in people that are either artists or like adjacent to artists or, you know, within the industry because it is such a weird job. and the hours are weird, and it's really nice to date someone that, that kind of, yeah, can be more flexible, but then also understands when it's 2 a.m. and I'm either editing or memorizing something or whatever, and it's like, sorry, I've got to work. He's like, great, I'll go downstairs and work in the studio, you know, so it helps to feel like there is that alignment there. When you met him, was he already Phineas? Was he already established in his career? For those of you who don't know,

Yeah, Phineas is a singer-songwriter, producer. He's, I guess, like, most known. I mean, he produces Billy, his sister, Billy Ilish, all of her music. They write everything together. Oh, just this gorgeous galilee. Can you sing a song I would know of hers? I hear she's an incredible person. I actually cannot do that to myself.

I cannot sing on something that is going to cut. I don't know if I know, actually. Oh, my God. I did find her CD once in a parking lot. She is very niche, so I don't blame you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of like, kind of like sound like... I did.

I did find her CD out. I'm sure you did. My daughter loves to dance to that one song. Me too. The bad guy. Yeah. The class is so good. So you must be close to her as well.

Oh, my God, I love her so much. She's like the sister I never had. It's so sweet. Aw, that's so nice to hear. His entire family is so, so sweet and down to earth. I can tell when he brought up his mom. with your dog. I was like, oh, you're super close with the family. That's really awesome. And it's wonderful to have a family unit out here because my parents are still in Chicago. And so that

it's very comforting. Are they from out here? They're from here? Yeah. They were born in Highland Park. Oh my God. Well, we were raised here too. So anytime I hear that, I'm always like, oh, that's so cool. Yeah. I feel like it's kind of, it's not that common because L.A. is such a, like, melting pot of like people just coming in from everywhere. But yeah, they're they're from L.A. And how cool to have siblings that are both musicians. I know. I know. I mean, together. It's incredible to watch. And yeah. I think because they are family, no matter how many like arguments or disagreements through any sort of creative process, it's like at the end of the day, their brother and sister. Yeah. It's like an inseparable bond and collaboration. Because, you know, many people like date the person that they're,

they're working with whatever. And I can't really like speak to any of that because I've never really worked with anyone I've romantically been involved in. And like I just imagine that can put a lot of pressure on like a collaboration, you know. Tell us, Rachel. What? What is it like? What?

You guys in that movie together. What movie? You've dated a lot of co-stars. Jumpers, right? Jumper. Wait, can we talk about? Can we talk about jumper real quick? Yeah, absolutely.

Because if there is no clue. If there is any movie that has influenced more of my dreams, like in bed, dreaming about something. Holy shit. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's so funny. That movie just like, yeah, I loved that movie. Aw, thanks.

It's a fun movie, I will say. It was fun to make, too. It was a long time making that movie. But it was fun. It's a great concept, too. It's a great concept. How often do you wish you could just teleport somewhere like me out of this room right now from them? But take you with me, Claudia.

I know. And here's the thing. is I used to say I wish I could fly, but the reason why teleporting is so much better is because flying, like, think about how many bugs hit a windshield when you're driving on the freeway. How many bugs would hit on your face

if you were flying through the sky? And now, like, the pollution in the air. I've really thought this through. You really go there. You wear a helmet. And the extreme weather. Yeah, you'd have to be, like, full-old motorcycle. There'd be birds for sure.

Like, you would Fabio a seagull. That's probably before your time. Do you remember when he opened a roller coaster Of course And it was like a seagull or goose It was an enormous bird flowing to Fabio Do you know who Fabio is? He was like a romance novel cover

Like they used his long blonde hair You're gonna have to look this guy up Okay He opened a theme park and a bird I think a goose Hit it broke his nose Right? Broke his nose

It's like fluent Do geese fly that high Why did I think that they were just kind of like gliders They definitely have to fly Because they fly style for the winners You see Canadian geese here because they come from up north. But yeah. So it flew into Fabio's face.

We have to look it up if it was a goose or a seagull or what. And broke his nose. Yeah. There was like pictures of his bleeding nose on the roller coaster. I don't mean to laugh. Like I'm sorry for anyone like... It's just funny because it was Fabio. You know what I mean?

The irony of like the romance novel man with his long hair, like launching like a theme park opening. Oh my gosh. He got goose to the face. He got goose. He got goose. I hope it was a goose. It's so much better if it is. What a story to.

To live to tell. Right? You know what I mean? Like I feel like Are you more remembered for that? Or for being the cover of romance novels? I don't know the answer. I haven't heard of that and I knew.

Wait. You didn't hear about the bird to the face? Have you guys seen the Channing Tatum and Sandra Bollick lost city? No. Was like maybe Channing Tatum's character inspired by him? Because he plays, basically, Channing Tatum plays a model with long blonde hair. Like a romance novel?

Who's just known to be on the cover? Oh, absolutely. That's Bobia. And Sandra Bullock is the author. And so he's her cover star. That's really funny. I want to see that now. It was a goose.

It was a goose. It was a news. It was a Canadian goose that had to have been. Are we watching it? Yeah, he opens up a theme park. See, that's him. See his long, like, luscious locks. Oh, my God.

He's opening a theme park. He's on the roller coaster. He's the celebrity guest. What an entrepreneur to open up a theme park, by the way. Clearly, he's selling a home. a lot of novels. I'm going to hot take.

The goose was a PR stunt. Yeah. Look at this. Let's do it to Rachel. Oh my God. Oh my God. A goose to the face.

Am I going to know when it's going to... You'll see his face. That's not... That's not planned. That is not... Oh, my goodness. Honestly, in all of history, have you ever heard of a goose

just straight to the face on a roller coaster? And it happened to just him at that moment. Yeah, there's like 50 people on this roller coaster too. I don't know. I mean, it's insane. Speaking? I think Rob appreciates this story.

Yeah, I like it. Okay. Speaking of bloody noses. Yeah. Last week, Phineas and I, we love hosting little wholesome game nights or whatever it may be. We love it. It's the spooky season. So we thought of doing like a bobbing for Apple's moment with a few of our closest.

friends. During COVID. I am realizing that, yeah, maybe right now isn't the time for that. It's fine. But it was like, it was eight of us and we're always together. So we're like, of course. And so we had two buckets. And at first we were just like doing kind of the standard practice of like, you know,

we kind of did like a relay race. Like you get an apple out and then the team member behind you goes in and we're timing it, whatever. And two of our friends had the incredibly stupid idea of trying to have two people go at the same time and get, you get all your apples into their bucket before they can get all theirs and yours. And so you're just kind of back and forth. And the second, our friend, like, thought of the idea, Phineas and I were the only ones to be like, you're going to hit heads. You're covered in water. Your eyes are closed. You're like trying to throw an app. Like, this is not,

this is not going to work out. And they're like, no, it's going to be fine. It's going to be fine. The first apple. It is, we unfortunately have it on video so I could show you guys. But it was literally the first apple, our two friends, they picked up both apples and just, you know, bombed heads. And our friend, like, she, like, split her nose. And suddenly it went from, like, the most wholesome, sweetest night of, like, bombing for apples. Who knew this could be so fun to, oh, my God, oh, my God, rags. Oh, my God, what do we need? Oh, my God.

She had her Fabio moment. Did she have to go to the hospital? No, she hit it right in the middle of her nose. and that's the strongest part of it. If she had gone on any other angle, she would have broken her nose easy, but because it was right smack dab in the middle, it just split the skin and it was just a little cut.

Blood everywhere. Horror story. Because ears and noses, I think, just like never stop bleeding. They love blood. Yeah. They love it. Yeah. So you say wholesome. Yeah.

What does that mean? Does that mean like we're not on Molly? It doesn't mean... No, there's Molly. Like, what is wholesome to you? I mean, I'm definitely not spending any time on Molly. I guess wholesome does mean like definitely sober and definitely just like wholesome vibes. Yeah.

No, I love it. I love it too. I love it too. Yeah. Because it could be ruined so easy if it's not. Charlie Brown on the TV. But honestly, I love it. I didn't even ruin the night because we took care of it.

She had a cute little bandaid on her nose. We're like, oh my God, Eva, you look so cute. And then we watched Hocus Bocus too. Oh, you did? A little ice, you know, bag on her nose. And it was chill. It's more memorable now. The party did not stop.

The party did not stop until I walk in. That is so, oh my God, that poor thing. But that does sound fun. Bobbing for apples. I haven't done that I have to say. Careful out there. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, cautionary tale, clearly.

Yeah, also way harder than I remember it being. Yeah, I can't say that I've bobbed for an apple maybe ever or as a kid, possibly. I feel like your sisters had a Halloween party. Oh, yeah, they would have Halloween parties. I have two sisters that are much younger than I am. I'm sure that happened. That sounds, yeah, that tracks. As a competitive sport, it is very challenging.

And it's fun. I thought you were saying, as a competitive player. I know, I thought you were going to say that too. I thought you were like, I have a tip for you. You smashed her nose open on purpose with your forehead. So that you could win. Surprise. It was me.

No, I'm kidding. No, I'm like. I am like super competitive. though that's yeah I feel you on that but I keep it inside I think how so so here's my question 13 years old what inside of you wanted to be seen by people do you think that you were born a performer do you think it was creativity like what was it yeah did you want to be an actress like what was it yeah um it's a few different things I think one of one of the reasons why I think I think I subconsciously started YouTube and this I think I realized through therapy I had only started going to therapy

during COVID for the first time in my life and that who just opened so many doors and realizations and everything and I think the first thing that I that I can't ignore is like I grew up in a household where there was a lot of a lot of energy, a lot of fighting, a lot of, you know, not always like, Yeah, the calmest household. And I think for me, I was desperate to find something that felt only like myself as a child that always kind of felt so involved within my parents and their conflict. It was nice to have something that felt like my own little escape. It was something that I can just like close my door. And it's like, this is only for me. And I think that is, definitely what was going on without me realizing it. And also, yes, I think for a very, very long time, I've always been interested in acting. And it's funny because I think since I started YouTube so early and so young, I never really had the chance to dive into my interest with acting in terms of like going to theater or, you know, like participating in any sort of

clubs because I would go home after school and just immediately film videos in my bedroom and edit them for hours. And even once I decided to get into acting out here in Los Angeles, it sort of all happened because when I first moved out here, I received the opportunity to start hosting. So interviewing, I did it for Teen Vogue for a year. So they would just like throw me on a carpet with questions that I needed to memorize and a cameraman and a microphone. And, And that experience just taught me like how much I can trust myself because these adults were trusting this 18 year old to represent their brand and speak to strangers. And after that contract was up, I at the time, I called up my manager and I was like, I don't know how this works, but all that

this has taught me is like, why not go for the things that scare you and challenge you, you know, and that you're interested and excited about if auditions ever come up in any capacity I would love to do that so much that's something I've always wanted to do and at the time it was such a great kind of like basically they don't really exist now but there were YouTube multi-channel networks

like Awesomeness TV Style Hall so there were these networks that would sign other channels and then usually those networks would create their own kind of higher quality production videos and series and all these things. And I was with a network called Awesomeness TV. And they had started doing scripted stuff, whether it was going to just YouTube or Hulu or Go 90 at the time,

which was like Verizon's platform. And then Go 90 is now gone. So I had a show on Go 90. It's gone. But at that time, it was like the perfect introduction into acting because they were open to count. Uttomers and digital creators because they're a digital company, but it was legit. You know, it was a full production set with, you know, everyone there, the entire crew.

And that was sort of like my first experience into acting. And I'm so happy that I booked a few roles there and got to, you know, got hit with the acting bug. And then, and that was probably like six years ago. And from there, I, you know, decided like, okay, if I'm going to. to do this. I want to take this very seriously and I want to take classes and, you know, audition theory classes and personal coaching and partner work and scene work and stuff. And so, yeah, I just like really wanted to make sure to take all the necessary steps to know what I'm doing and respect the craft. And then from there, it's, you know, auditioning just left and right

and just hoping something sticks and lands. And I feel so lucky that I love my dad, you know, came into my life. Yeah. And was that. sent to you from like your managers or agent yeah yeah and they were just like this is great read it and put yourself on tape and that's how it goes and that's how it goes sometimes yeah yeah but there's so much that went into it before yeah right yeah like you no but like it was obviously the right thing it was meant to be and you were meant to play this part clearly and you could not be lovelier of a person i have to say oh my gosh you just no yeah just just try just try just try Try.

Just try. Try and be a little lovely word. No, it's been so nice just talking to you and getting to know you, especially after watching your beautiful work in this film. And as we finish our conversations, we play a game. What? Oh, Olivia wants to say something else. You know, here's the thing.

I remember once I was in a class and one of the teachers said, as a woman, as a man, whatever, he was saying as a woman, you want to be the girl that the guys were. want to fuck and you want to be the girl that the girls are also rooting for. And I feel like that's you. That is you. Oh my gosh. Yeah. 100%. It was that perfect combination of both. I really want to be your best friend and clearly. And Rob wants to fuck you. No, I'm just sorry. He's married. I'm going to edit that out. You just like to make him really uncomfortable. Yeah. Sorry. I think that comes down to what kind of person. Like, I don't think that has anything to do with how you look on the outside. No, it doesn't. It's

the, it's the energy that... That's what it is. You know, I feel like... You have that thing. Yeah, I mean, I am such a supporter of... I mean, everyone, but especially women and all of my best friends because I can relate to them the most in terms of what you have to deal with as a woman in the workplace and in the dating space and even in like the weird competitive friends space,

all of it, you know? But yeah, that's very sweet of you to say. I have a question. Yeah. What's up, Rob? I'll phrase it. Uh-oh. No, it's not bad.

Here we go. Here comes Rob. You talk about wanting to have kids. Do you feel like it's a fork that you got this movie now? That's a great question. That's a good question. That's a good question. Having to choose.

Look at Rob. I mean, I really don't. Or do you think that doesn't matter anymore? Well, it is really fucking awesome to see mom. moms working and and finding that balance. I mean, God, I don't, I feel like, or I just, I know that, like, motherhood is going to be, like, the hardest, most important job, the one that matters the most. I imagine your entire world. Every priority, everything shifts, right? And I think for me, it's like I've never wanted to fully identify myself by one thing. And I think a lot of people in this town

identify themselves built on like their success and what they're doing and how much they're booking and all these things and like I feel that I'm in a headspace where like there's so much more than that and I identify with like being a trusting partner and like being a really good friend and being a great mom to my dog and and you know like whatever and being a nice person to work with and like I just think when motherhood like adds into that it's It's like these are things that are all existing. Let's get in there. And I think it's more so like, I just want to make sure I don't rush into anything.

You know, I've, I don't know what age I would, I would start having kids. I mean, I'd love to my early 30s, I think, just so I can like, just so everything, like, happens. I think that's when our bodies are like just so. Yeah, before 35 is usually what they say. How old were you? To have, like, a healthy pregnancy. I got pregnant with Breyer at 32. I was 33 when she was born, though.

How was the pressure of that? How did you feel? I definitely felt like I know I want a kid. I better do it now kind of thing. You know, because I had gotten... You weren't concerned. No, I had gotten pregnant earlier, like at 27 and had a miscarriage, but it was all for the best, you know, the timing and everything.

So a few years later, wanting to really, you know, do it because it wasn't, you know, I was way more in the headspace to actually do it. And then we got pregnant when I was 32. And it felt like good timing. And like, when are we ever actually ready? I assume it never totally feels like, oh, yeah, all my ducks are lined up, you know? Yeah. You know, you're never going to be like, okay, I'm ready now, but you can at least be mentally, like, in that headspace of I'm doing this, right?

And you can't ever be ready because you never know how it's going to go. No. Well, also, people think they're ready and then the baby comes and they're like, what is happening? Yeah. Because it's not something you can really prepare for. No. Right? And also with like postpartum depression.

Yeah, it's a thing. Yeah. There's so many things happening within your body just hormonally too. That also impacts the entire experience for you. And it's like you just have to give yourself the same amount of grace as we all do with others. For sure. Speaking of postpartum, did you get it with your dog? You guys, pushing that fetus out of my vagina.

I literally look at peaches, this 50-pound. just tank of muscle and I'm like, how did I do it? How did I do? How did my hips force you out? Rachel got out of the third dog. I do. I talk about my daughter wanted a dog and we got a puppy and I had post-pupy partom. It's a thing.

Really? I hated the dog. I love her now. I love all animals. But I was depressed. I was like, I can't even look at you. You know what? The first two months, I mean, it was just kind of rocky because we adopted her when she was

fully grown, but only a year. Okay. So it was like puppy mentality adult body. That's how long. That is hard. With a pick. That's like a toddler. That's like energy and all of it.

Yes. And like not realizing the human skin is like much more sensitive. And so she's like biting our hair and like nibbling on our hands and jumping on the couch and you know. Oh yeah. No manners. But so I definitely. Oh yeah. That was a very anxious stressful period.

I think within our relationship, everyone was like, yeah, we thought this dog would break you guys up. And now she's the thing keeping us together. Did you hear that story recently? What? Which one? What? What, Lou? Are you going to?

Yeah, let's end on this note. Break our hearts, why don't you? It killed two kids and attacked. Where did this happen? I don't know. It just happened recently. I just read it. It was, you know, obviously probably wasn't trained properly.

But it was a family dog. Any dog can do. I know, you know. But two of the kids. The kids died. That is really really scary. How old? Young kids.

Well, on that note. I'm sorry. I mean, it's like... We have a game to play. Yeah, we have a game to play. Fuck me. I mean, wampers. No.

I think it's like as a dog owner for any large breed, you have to be aware of, like, the capabilities of your dog. I will say, I did have a pit. Mm-hmm. But have I told this story before? You put them down? My ex, ex, X, I don't even know how many X's to go. I wanted a dog.

And so for my birthday, he surprised me with a dog. And when he showed up, he was like, here's your dog. It's a pit bull. And I named her penny. And I was like, so I was thinking more of like a little purse dog. I could like carry with, anyway, I was like, so you picked out my dog and you named it. And it's a pit bull and happy birthday to me. And I do love pits, though.

I loved Penny. She... It wasn't even a baby puppy either. Oh, no, it was a full-grown... Same as you. She was a full-grown adult pit bull. Where is she now? Well, this was a very long time ago.

She has since passed. And she went with him when we broke up. And I did wind up adopting a little fluff, Thurman, who was an asshole. And he came with me. But yes. Those are big decisions to make independently. I mean, it was a bold. It was a bold move.

Who was it? Brody, Adam, Brody, yeah. I mean, it's known that Penny was our dog and stuff. And then, oh, he named her Penny. I was like, fine, but I'm making it Penny Lane. At least let me have, like, a little input for my birthday. Like, let me, like, have a little input here. Rachel was very grumpy about that.

Oh, I'm not, but I loved Penny. I loved her. She was a sweetheart. I did. She had her quirk. The initial surprise. I was like, what is happening? Yeah.

That's intense. It is intense. But they're amazing, loyal companions, those little pits. So need. So needy. Oh, my God. Follows me. Like, when I go to the bathroom, she's sitting right.

Right. And is she like, hmm. Like, she's like trying to get your attention. With a frown. Just like always looking up. I mean, it's the big eyes. Kyla is like that half pit, half husky. And she constantly is like, what are we doing? What's happening?

Is she half pit? Yeah. Does she sleep with you guys? She, it's too much body heat. Yeah. And it's the three of us. And so when either of us are out of town. So Phineas is on the floor.

Yeah, exactly. When Phineas is touring or if I'm traveling somewhere, like then Peaches is sleeping in the bed. Like you allow her up. It's like a command or whatever. I mean, no, she's getting up on her own. Yeah. Like we're like, because, you know, the dog spends so much of their day just like sleeping and we'll be like, where's peaches? And like we'll find her just, yeah, in our bed, just like sprawled, like looking at us.

Yeah, we let her on to everything. and that that is just how she likes it. How she rolls. That's how she rolls. But she is such a little human in that when she sleeps in bed with me, like I have photo proof to show you guys. Like she uses the pillow like a human, gets under the blanket with me.

Like literally we're spooning. Like, such a little human. How is she with other dogs? She's great with other dogs. Yeah. Yeah. Especially like when it's off leash, like in a backyard or something. Because I feel like on walks,

it's like you just really need. never know what kind of energy you've learned that on a leash is not. They're working. Yeah. All dogs are really. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah.

Should we become dog trainers? Should we? I mean, I know a really absurdly extensive amount of dog breed names. Like I'll see a dog and I'll be like and I'll call it. It's a weird, you know what? One of my only talents and I'm going to. You have a lot of those weird quirk only talents. I know.

It helps me in jeopardy sometimes, but other than that. Okay. we play a game. I know this game. We didn't do. Ooh, I'm curious who you selected. Rob did you check this on Rob. I didn't.

You guys picked these, not me. Oh, okay. We selected these? We've used some of these. We have? Yeah. It's fine. Okay.

Go, Lou. Leonardo DiCaprio. Okay. Post Malone. She's like, I've done all of them. Leonardo DiCaprio, post-Malekrio, post-Malekrio. Michael B. Jordan. Ooh. Okay.

Mary Michael be Jordan. Cool. Easy. I'm gonna kill Leonardo DiCaprio because I'm too old for him now. Oh, I'm 26. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Isn't that his cut off? It's 25.

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm gonna kill him before he kills me. And then fuck Post Malone. Who seems like such a... I would like such a lot. I know, I actually maybe, I just feel like I love him. I was going to say Mary, but then you whipped out the Michael B. Jordan.

Yeah, I feel you. It's a hard, it's a tough one. Yeah. Can't go wrong with either, honestly. You can't. Both good options. I put Michael Jordan, not Michael B. Jordan. It says Michael B. Jordan. Michael Jordan, how old is he? He's like, come on.

Yeah. But you're from Chicago. That's true. That's true. You could have gone Pippin, too. I'm his biggest fan. It turns out. Oh my gosh. No, I think you played that perfectly. I stand with my answers. Good.

Stand by your choice. Yeah. Oh, my God. You guys, this was so fun. You are so awesome. Thank you so much. I could just keep going and going. Well, we're going to keep this going and going because I just love you.

You're just so cool. Thank you so much. Oh, my God. You're so fun. I love her. Who? Yeah, what are you talking about? Have you guys not been a part of this for the past year?

What? What? Start over. I'm off today. Why are you feeling off today? I don't know, because I haven't gotten my period yet, and so I'm feeling off. Yeah. Be heavy in menopause. It could be premenopausal. I'm not kidding.

I've ever had this long of a cycle in my life. It's really not that long, and I think that if you went to a doctor, they'd be a like that's still within the normal range. Can we talk about what you also thought it could be? What? Jesus' child. That you could be pregnant. Without having sex.

Without having sex. Even that it has been stored in your body. I mean, what if? There's like a freezer. There's just a pocket. A freezer contraption inside you that just like traps it. And it's actually like in amber like the mosquito and Jurassic Park. You know what's crazy?

What? is that when you're born, you're born with all of your eggs. Yeah. Like millions and millions of eggs. Like Breyer was with you when you were born. Your egg for her was with you. It's been with you. So weird.

Isn't that wild? Like I've been carrying around Shepard and Elliot my whole life until I had them. Part of them. But it's only like, yeah. You still need the semen. You still need the semen. Wait. That's not like a whole life.

child, an egg. It's not the whole child, but it's like... It's part of the mixture. Yeah? Part of the mixture. It's not nuts? Yeah, but like, what if... It's...

I can't. Like, my head, my brain going there, it's going to explode. I can't right now. This is too... Like, you're like, but like, if you got impregnated... You're really articulating this. If you got impregnated by someone else... It would be half-shepard or Elliot. If that is.

But doesn't the sperm determine the gender? Just kidding. But there's millions of millions of eggs. Yeah. The sperm determines the gender. Is that correct? Correct. So you had a...

I had an egg. But there, you know, it's half of the equation. You had an Elliott egg. Yeah. And a shepherd egg. I had little egglers. That's not the same for semen, right? That, I don't know.

Is it? Should we FaceTime, Jeff? Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. We've never done this. Let's see if he answers. What if he's all crunchy?

Well, he loves these kind of questions. Yeah, pretend like something's wrong with the children. Oh. Put the mic piece up to the mic. Like that? Yeah, but you can look at him still. Oh. Oh.

He hung up on you. Should we try it again? Yeah, do it again. He's clearly in a meeting or something. No, ended. Yeah, no. can't be seen right now. No.

As if what he's doing is more important. You want to know if you're born with all your sperm. I think you are, no? I mean, I know for sure you're born with all your eggs. Guys, I'm going to Google it. That sounds like a wild. Wild way to find out. Are, okay.

Are males born with all their. sperm. So women, unlike women who are born with a lifetime supply of eggs, men are not born with all the sperm. But it says they're born with sperm, but technically they're not sperm yet. Let's see if he knows the answer.

Hey, Jeff. Hi. I have you on speaker. Hi, I have you on speaker phone with America. We're all here. Okay. Can you ask them? I'm in a meeting right now.

Oh, you are. Does America have something that's important? Are men born with all their sperm inside their body like women are with their eggs? No. Oh, okay. I don't think sperm production starts until adolescence, and then it's on a regular basis or not. That checks out.

Okay, that checks out with Google. Thank you. Well, I'm glad. All right. All right. Love you. Bye. I said I love you.

I said I love you. That's amazing. I feel like Dr. Jeff is now going to be like, every time Rachel thinks she's pregnant. Which is weekly. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That's funny. Well, at least he got it right. That would have been embarrassing if he got it wrong. He definitely thought something was wrong. Yeah. Yeah. He called you back in a meeting.

He had to check. And then it was that. But I love that he doesn't even question it. He just answers the question. Yeah. You know? He's not like, Olivia, I'm going to meet. This is why you called me. He's like, no, actually, sperm. It doesn't start until adolescence. Love that Zaddy. Zaddy Claus. That made me laugh yesterday. I know, it did. It was good, huh?

Yeah, it was really funny. Jeff did a video for his work, and they put like a Santa hat. I did that. Or Olivia did a filter of a Santa hat. Well, why didn't you comment? It was a story that I saw. Yeah, why didn't you say, Olivia, this is a great story. I did.

I did by saying Zaddy Claus. Yeah. They call it McDreamy. They do? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. And he has to pretend he's never heard it before. He's a very attractive doctor man.

Does it make you jealous and they call him McDreamy? No, I like it. Yeah, you always want people to want your man. Yeah. You know what I mean? Some people don't, though. I mean, you and I. We do.

You and I is the we. Yeah. Some people don't like it. They'd like to downplay their dude and make him less attractive so that they don't lose him. I like mine to be Oh yeah No, I want the guy that like all the girls want For sure

Yeah Where does that come from? Insecurity Yeah, I feel like I've been like that my whole life though Me too It's not normal I don't think so A lot of girls would rather

Like Jeff made a comment about that recently He's like oh you're just trying to have me Look ugly so nobody likes me And I was like Oh you don't even know me I'm like, you go work out, motherfucker. It probably speaks to both of yours, your confidence, though, that you're not insecure about another woman. Or we're sick.

Or we're just sick fucks, which is also possible. Keep me on my toes, please. We'd always be like, I love the way he ignores me. Yeah. Well, because you're not jealous. No. You like that. They do that.

make you jealous that he's going to run away with some hot nurse. No. So you're secure enough to where it doesn't bother you. Correct. I mean, I'm not in a relationship with someone when people want. No, I get off. I love that if other girls want my dude. I'm not saying I wouldn't feel insecure at times.

Yeah, of course. But, yeah, it's attractive. Yeah. You want the guy in the room that, like, everybody wants to, like, talk to or impressed or... That jumps up the wall to save the little girl. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. Yeah. Climes the tree to save the cat. Yeah. All the things. The hero. You want the guy that makes everybody a little bit nervous. You want the guy that makes everybody wet.

Me. Yeah. Okay, but this is a great question for a guy. How do you feel about it if... Oh, all the dudes want your girl? Yeah. Attractive or insecure. I don't care anymore.

Like, I'm, I'm secure enough now that I'm married with children, like, that I'm not concerned. But is it attractive to you if, like, other dudes want your woman? I wouldn't say it's, like, attractive, but it doesn't bother me. Hmm. What kind of answer is that? So you're not... I'm not getting off on it. Like, it appears that you guys are.

Or, like, if you could just excuse me for a minute? My foreplay is you telling me. Tell me about how Debbie was looking at you and worked. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we should do like a crank yankers section where we just FaceTime people. You know cranky anchors is prank calls, right?

Yeah. You're going to show up on their call our ID. Yeah, but then we do something and they don't know they're on speaker and they don't know that they're being shared with the broadians. I think we need to workshop this idea a little bit more. Of course Rob does. Why don't we try it, Rob? You know, you're captain contrary over there.

Fucking ready to jump to the opposite conclusion. Does Natalie say that about you? No, I'm actually... She's more contrarian. So you just take it out on us? He's like, this is what I live with, so this is what I do. No, I just like to be thorough. What?

Thoreau. Thoreau is not the word I would use for your contrary view. use. Like this morning we were parking on one side of the street. You're like, you shouldn't park on that side of the street that it's safe to park on here, park on this side of the street where you'll get a ticket. But maybe you won't because they already came by. I was trying to be helpful by saying you could park closer because it's raining. And you can park right outside my house because I already saw the street sweepers coming. And it was only like 20 minutes until the time was up. So I know. Just because the street sweeper came does not mean that the parking checker. have. But I know when the ticket guy comes, he would have already come already. Of course he does. This man is thorough. We park on the wrong side of the street all the time and have to run out there and move it.

Because they're both contrarians. Good point made by you, Rob. Case in point. Next time I'll let you park where the fuck you want when it's raining. No, we won't. No, we won't. Yeah, you won't. And we did anyways. So. Next time I will not be helpful.

It's a little cold in here. It's freezing. I just turn the air conditioning. Yeah, can you turn it down? It was a hot a second ago. It was freezing now. I was just thinking this with his phone and he's like, I'm going to freeze them out. Yeah.

He's like, they're comfortable. I'm going to go contrary and make them really cold. Since we've run out of things to talk about. We had another interview today we were going to do. And we had some random topics to pick from that I think. think maybe we pick a random one. Okay. Now I make Rachel answer.

What? Yeah, let's do it. Let's see. Okay, how do you handle pooping when you start dating someone? Dude, so this is always like one of the top things in my mind. It's like, when you meet a cute guy, you're like, how am I going to shit around him? No, but think about it, okay? You're dating someone. and like let's say it's new

but you're gonna like go away together yeah first of all to some fancy five-star hotel that Rachel's gonna make you take them to Rob do not paint me out to be some bougie-ass person I am not but I would like to look and see well

oh is there like a room that has two bathrooms well the worst is the rooms that don't have like a door oh yeah how you get this is what you do what do you do now it's not always easy because it's not always like, you know, a dump and run. You know what I'm saying? No, I don't know what he's.

Do explain. You know what I mean? If it's not a quick poo. I hate the word poo. I do. Why did I just use it? I don't know. I does it all the time.

She always says poo. I hate it. I'm not a poo. Poop. We use a shit. You know, after having kids, poop, the word poop is like. It's poo. But Pizzles sounds like what it is.

Oh, ew. You know what I mean? Go on. No, but like, this is what I'm telling you. The only place you can do it, and I am not a public pooper, okay? I do not like to poop in public. Okay. Will you if you have to?

Of course. But it's only since I've been older. I wouldn't before. You go to eat dinner. You got to go quick. You got to go to the restaurant. It has to be the biggest poop of your life. I mean, oh, the quickest.

So you're just saving it up for dinner? No, but here's another thing. You know, some people, you know, some people, though, like their poop just, it passes and then it's gone. What does that mean? Like, you have to go, but then it kind of goes away, right? Okay.

There's other people where you have to go, you can, like, wait, and when you get to a bathroom, like, a half hour later, you still have to go. I am not that person. Like, it's either in the moment or it's gone. So in that sense, like, either you don't poop for a few days because you're on your first trip with this person, which has happened. Yeah.

Yes, you were that backed up. Okay. Or if you have to go immediately and it's really, you just got to do it quick and like ferociously wipe as fast as you can and get the fuck back out there. Wash your hands first, though. My mom used to tell her boyfriends, she'd be like, I have to go to the gas station. Like, I have to get something.

And they'd be like, okay. And she'd go to the gas station. and she'd poop. And she told this story to her ex. And when I'd come over to the house, I'd be like, where's my mom? He'd be like, in the gas station about the second bathroom. Wait.

You're not saying anything about you. You're talking about your mom. Yeah. What are you trying to hide? No, I'm just saying, if I'm talking openly about pooping, I'm not an open, pooper, tutor, whatever. Like, I keep that shit private in a relationship. I don't think it should be that comfortable.

I don't like it. Long term, too. Yeah. Long term. Absolutely. Always polite when it comes to Same. Bathroom things.

Like, I'm never gonna just like, yeah. My story is still that I don't do it. Yeah, we don't do it. No. Like, Jeff doesn't know when you're gonna go poop? No, sometimes if like I really have to, I'll be like, my tummy hurts. And I have to go have a tummy problem. You know, but I'm not like, yeah.

I'm not like, hey, babe, I gotta go poop. Like, I got to do you know what I mean? But you know when the bathroom door is locked, what's happening? Well, I know what's... Like, do you ever tell them, like, Don't go in there. Yeah, I'll say maybe you want to go in another bathroom. Yeah.

But you're just like that. Just like that. Maybe that's not for you. Mommy did a bad thing, daddy. No, I'm the same way. No, I would be redirect. Yeah, yeah. I'm the same way.

I'm not saying I'm openly like I'm going to go run to the bathroom and handle this because I don't want to do it in front of you. Yeah, I've never understood people that like poop with the door open. Oh my God, ever. Never. That disgusts me. Or literally, like, we have good friends that are, like, so comfortable. They just let, like, the stinkiest toot.

Who? Who? We have farts. In front of their dudes. We don't do. Who does that? I do not, like, any, like, stinky, bodily function in front of my partner. That's not my thing.

I don't even, like, in front of my friends. I don't even, like, talking about it now this openly. Like, I don't want to talk about me pooping. Do we want to talk about the cool thing that happened in my car? Oh, my God. This wasn't even funny. It was, Rob was so excited that his car can fart. And Rachel thought Olivia farted in the backseat.

I was like, geez. And I said, I was like, that was probably the first time you even think you heard that since you met me. It was a real, like, wet sounding one. Yeah. It was like a whooping, was it like a whoopee cushion app or something? Yeah, it's a lovely cushion thing. and you can target where in the car fards. Have you accidentally farted in front of someone?

Do you fart in front of Natalie? No. You don't? See, Jeff is like, doesn't care. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it's. And he'll say, I stepped on a duck. My dad growing up would say barking spiders when he would fart.

I don't like farts. I'm not, I mean, look, I, you know, it's not something. You're like, you have to, like, have sex with it. person. You don't want to be like, thinking about the stink. Butthole smells. Ew. But what about you, Lou, when you're first dating someone? Oh, I mean, I think

What's the option? What is the option? What do you do? What have you done? I can't even think of it. Like, I honestly am trying to think of something. Well, what do you do? If you're newly dating someone and you have to go to the bathroom. I think you go at the restaurant, like you said, or you go to the lobby at the hotel. Or you do whatever you can. To cover it up. To not do, like, I don't think if I was just dating a guy and I had to go to the bathroom that I would, like, go in their house or something.

I can't imagine that. I can't even pee in front of other girls that I'm not, like, super comfortable with. I get major pee fright. Or if someone's waiting and there's one stall and I have to pee, I get nervous and then I can't go. It's awful. Are you thinking they're judging your, like, stream? No, it's just, like, the pressure of, like, you have to pee now because someone's waiting and I'm so considerate of other people and a people pleaser that I can't even pee.

A pee bole pleaser. A pee bole pleaser. I don't have peefeight. No, there's people that can just drop, drop and crotch and squat. Didn't I pee on your floor once? Excuse me? I feel like I slept at your house and I may have like been dreaming that I was asleep. No, no, no, sorry.

I was dreaming that I was peeing in my sleep. And then I woke up and I was like peeing on the floor. You were obviously wasted. I think it might have been wasted. We used to drop at like club sitting outside, like just get in a circle and like, and like pull our underwear off of the bench and like sit there and pee. I could never. That's disgusting.

It is. I never, I could never do that. I remember peeing in the grass at Coachella. We would just like sit there and pretend we were talking and. We pop in a squat. And what's the weirdest place you've peed? I would say what I do, even to this day, is I keep Breyer's baby potty in the back of the car.

And I will put it in the back seat, and I will go in that potty and dump it out on the road. And I have my spray bottle with soap and water, and I spray it. Where will you do it, though? You just did spray your garage. Where will I do what? You bring the potty into your car and pee in the car, or you get out of the car.

In the back seat. And I just do it. We go to a beach. that doesn't have a bathroom, I go to the car and I use a little potty and I dump it out and I spray it. But why that instead of just popping a squat on the side of the road? I don't know. There's something about like sitting on an actual potty, even though it's like 10 times too small. I like that you're calling it a potty too. It is. It's a potty. It's not a toilet paper. Ziplock bag for the toilet paper and that steals. So when you get to a trash can,

you can throw it out. That's important. No littering. Your shitty toilet paper? I do not shit in the toilet, Rob. It was raining this morning, and I went outside. Jeff's like, where's Elliot? I'm like, I don't know. I opened the door. He's outside in the rain, taking a nature pee before school. Oh, Calvin, I'll do that.

I'll just, like, drop his pants and be in the yard pee. I love it. To be a boy. That's fun. He was like, I'll just join in the rain. Nature pee. Mm-hmm. Okay.

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