Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Dominic Monaghan

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

This week, Rachel and Olivia welcome the wonderful and knowledgeable Dominic Monaghan [The Lord of The Rings trilogy, Lost, Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker] to Broad Ideas! The three have the best time talking about Dominic's love (and Olivia's fear) of insects and snakes, how to handle certain animal encounters, hallucinogenic trips and so much more. Enjoy!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome. I'm a little low energy, recovering from food poisoning. Forgive my unenthusiastic tone. So I don't know about you guys, but I know nothing about Lord of the Ring. But we have a very big. very special guest today. Who knows a whole lot about Lord of the Rings?

Not only was he in Lord of the Rings, he also has a podcast, The Friendship Onion, which is basically Lord of the Rings base. Yeah, he played Mary in Lord of the Rings. Dominic Monaghan, for those of you who don't know that name,

I'd say it's a household name, was on Lost, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars Rise of Skywalker. His other show Wild Things, which is actually the most fascinating to me, because it's all about animals and like venomous animals and he knows everything about every insect, every reptile, it's mind-blowing. And that's what I honestly am the most excited to talk about, weirdly.

And upcoming projects, Moriarty, the Devil's Game. It's an audible original series. And new AMC Plus series, Moonhaven. They're both available now. So, Dom, join us. Sometimes we're inside of Rachel's little brain. All these thoughts are swirling round and round inside. To join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys that are me.

Because people die. I don't even think I introduced myself. Olivia, but I feel like we met before, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should talk about that. We met at the Hollywood Bowl, I think, right? Did we? Did you?

At the Hollywood Bowl? What was happening there? I went to see Radiohead with Fahudi, and he was there with Leah, and you were there. Okay. Did you go to Radiohead with Leah? Yeah. Were you there with Leah or a fella? Leah?

I don't, I think maybe. She's like, it's probably was a fellow, but I went to all three shows. Same. Yeah. You went to all three Radiohead shows? I sure did. Oh, I fucking love him. The one where Cigeroz supported them.

Oh, wow. I know Cigeroz because they came to Hawaii and I got a chance to hang out with them. The one that Cigeroz supported them at, I was like legitimately fucked up. But it is an amazing show because they got a chance to like hang out with Cigarose afterwards. Not Radiohead because they're very boozy, radio head. They don't hang out with anyone. They don't? Nah, too cool.

They're too cool. Well, I mean, they are radio head. They are. They're the best band around. Right. They're the only band that could kind of steal the Beatles' crown, which is difficult. Wow. So you're going to, okay.

I've never heard that tape on it. She's like, I've never heard radio. I've never heard of the Beatles. So, I don't know. But how do you feel about people that don't like the Beatles? This is a very important question. Yeah, I feel like, are we doing the show now? Oh, yeah.

That's on. This is how we start. We get right to do it. I just want to make sure I don't say anything criminal. I don't know. I kind of feel like if this is very snobby of me, but like, just because I'm so. elitist and such a big fan of the Beatles.

Like, I have two Beatles tattoos. Okay. Wow. What are they? Sorry. It's okay. So I have... I want to know. I have the love you take is equal to the love you make on your back, which is the last thing that Paul McCartney wrote whilst in the Beatles.

And he's one of Lenin's favorite lines in the entire Beatles catalog. He goes on and on about when him in McCartney had really fallen out at the end of the Beatles during kind of Abby Road. A, B, period, he had said, even though Paul and I were, like, dead against each other in business. And personally, he still had these moments where he could surprise me and write something beautiful. And he wrote, The Love He Take Is Equest to the Love You Make, which I kind of subscribe to. And then I have Living is Easy with Eyes, Closed, Misunderstanding All You See, which is a line from Strawberry Fields Forever, which is probably one of the stronger Beatles songs for me. I thought you're going to say the worst, but I thought you were going.

Yeah, I did too. Which ways is going? No, it's one of the ones. It's my least favorite. I tattooed it on my body. It's one of the ones that just keep coming around and around again. I mean, I'm obsessed with the Beatles, but I'm certainly more obsessed with Lenin than anyone else. He gets frozen in time because he died.

I know. So he didn't get to get fat and old and uncool. Did you watch the documentary that came out or the... The back one? The Pete Jackson one? Yeah. I loved it. Yeah.

He's like I made it. It was pretty extraordinary. But this is very snobby. And I don't. I don't think this is necessarily true, but I do kind of feel a little bit like, if you don't like the Beatles, maybe you don't really like music. I agree. No, that's very snobby. I don't think it's snobby.

Because I will say, you know, we both have kids, and they had a show called Beat Bugs, all right? Your kids did. So, yeah, it's a cartoon. They didn't make it. Yeah, no, no. Sorry, sorry. My child thinks that she has her own show as far as she's concerned on YouTube, even though she doesn't. But it was a cartoon called Beat Bugs, and it's all Beatles music.

Right. And the Bugs are singing it. So she learned all the Beatles songs at three years old, and I have videos of her singing it. And I feel like what a great way to first introduce them to music, like actual songwriting and music. Yeah. It's a little bit like, I mean, I probably feel this way about, like if you're into art in terms of drawing, painting, sketching, blah, blah, blah. But you don't really think that Picasso's great. then my argument would be, you don't really know that much about art.

There are these kind of kingpin people. And I think more than maybe any other art form, the Beatles dominate music, that particular genre, more than anyone else. I mean, the amount of firsts that the Beatles did, they're still first. No one ever does them. We were just talking about Radiohead.

You know, Radiohead had very clearly set out this path where they create a sound. that is successful, that resonates with the audience, and then they say, okay, we're going to rip that up and start again. And that's what the Beatles did. If you compare someone like Coldplay to Radiohead, and I really like Parachus, the first album, and to a lesser degree, the second album,

and then the third album was kind of nonsense, and the fourth album was shy, and fifth album is nonsense. What they do is they find a sound that they like, and then they just keep repeating it. And that's not what the great artists out there do. The great art, like Picasso goes, hey, Cubism. And they go, oh, okay, cubism.

And he goes, oh, no, now I'm doing this. Now I'm doing sculpture. Now I'm doing drawing. Now I'm doing stick figures, you know. So I think the Beatles are extraordinary, and they make me super happy. And, like, yeah, if I'm struggling, if I'm, like, struggling emotionally or anything like that, the Beatles, I just lean back. Yeah, kind of, yeah. Stevie Wonder is a big one for me.

Oh, what's your favorite Stevie song? To, like, make me feel good. Yeah. For once in my life is probably the one that I'm just like, oh. Life is okay. And then what's like your emo and Stevie song? There's a few songs on Inervisions that kind of, like there's something kind of heavy about too high,

because too high, you know that song? Too high. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's like, you know, you've smoked a little bit too much weed. Maybe you're dropping into like feeling a little sketchy. And, you know, that for me has a heaviness to it. Yeah, so probably that.

Too high. I remember as a kid, like, one of my favorite songs that I would actually play on repeat was, I don't know the actual title, but I never dreamed you'd leave in summer. It was in poetic justice. Have I talked about this movie before? Do you know this movie? Janet Jackson, Tupac, Regina King, you know. Okay.

So it's in that. And I was in sixth grade when I was obsessed with this movie, so I became obsessed with that song. And I don't think that's like a normal song for a 12-year-old to be, like, bumping. to their bedroom. I never dreamed you'd leave in summer. It's like really beautiful. It's kind of a lament. Yeah.

Yeah, it's very sad. But I think I listen to a lot of sad music. I do too. Yeah. Sad music makes me feel happy. You know, I grew up on the Smiths. I grew up on Joy Division and New Order. These are both,

all three of those bands are from Manchester. There's a lot of, there's a lot of deep kind of sadness in Manchester. You know, it's a blue collar working class city. It's very, very cold, rains a lot. You don't see the sun too often. And what happens with artists in Manchester

because they get told that being artistic is in some way gay and not accepted is that they get pushed down and push down and push down. And then when they reach like 18, 19, they explode with a kind of like, well, fuck you, I'm going to do it anyway, which is what happened to Morrissey with the Smith, which is what happened to Ian Curtis with Joy Division and the Stone Roses and New Order and, you know, these extraordinary artists came out of Manchester. I think in London it's much more accepted if you want to be artistic or dress a little differently or act a little differently.

In London, there's a space for it. There really isn't or there wasn't, certainly, from my experience, a space for it in Manchester. And it does something to someone artistic. It forces you down and then you just explode. But a lot of that explosion is frustration and sadness. I mean, Jesus Morris, almost his entire back catalog is like, why are you not noticing me? Why are you not seeing how great I am and obviously struggling with his sexuality and stuff like that?

But a lot of like, hey, I'm brilliant. How come you guys don't see that, you know? Yeah. Interesting. It's amazing. It is. I think that, you know, it's almost like what you were saying before, how the music and Beatles and whatever, how it morphs and they regroups.

create and they try anything. I feel like as an actor, it's not so dissimilar where you're, you know, trying on all these different things. Like, your career alone, you know, everything you've done, I feel like everything's so different, you know, and unique. Obviously, okay, so Lord of the Rings. You were in that. I don't know if you knew that.

You were in that. I know nothing about it, okay? And this is a huge phenomenon, like, huge following. But it has to be so cool to be part of something so historic, I guess, you could call it, wouldn't you say that? Absolutely. Yeah. And like, such, yeah.

Well, no, no, it's like I disconnect from that. I've done a lot of work on that stuff. Not that I was necessarily connected to it in a profound way when I was younger, but I just think it's been important for me personally to just to not necessarily connect too strongly to like, you've done X, Y, and Z. Not only is it healthy for my career to be like, I don't even feel like I got started yet and I still have stuff to say. But just from, you know, actors.

egoically are very much like, oh, you know, I did this, I did that. And I'm like, that's not about who I am really. But yes, objectively, it was a big trilogy of movies, for sure. But it's only a small part of you. Like when reading about you, you sound like the world's most interesting man. I'm not even kidding. It's like, probably my publicist. Well, I mean, I remember we share a friend, Leah, and I remember one day we were out in our front yard. Wait, I think I know the story. Yeah.

We were out in our... There's got to be something about an animal, right? Yeah. How do you know? We were in our yard and we saw this thing that looked like a snake and it was really big and really long and it had feet and legs and whatever. And Leah's like, let me call Dom. We got to just take a picture and we'll send it to Dom.

And right away, you were like, that is an alligator lizard. Algae lizard. Yeah. Yeah. Non-venous, nasty bite. My son, to this day, quotes you on that. Every time we see one, he's like, non-venomous, nasty bite. Yeah, strong bite. Beautiful animal. Beautiful. I'm obsessed. I mean, this morning, Elijah, it sounds like I'm dropping

a name, but he's just a pal of mine. Elijah Wood sent me a photo of a spider. And he was like, Dom, can you identify this spider? And I was like, yeah, that's a wolf spider. It's okay. It can bite. It won't bite. You should probably take it outside. I'm obsessed with animals. I have been for a long time. It's a huge part of me. But what I love about my friends, because I've talked about, told them over the years is one of my like, whatever love languages is if someone sees an animal and they can't identify it, if they think of me, hey Dom, I saw this thing, do you know what it is? And if I can identify that, I'm like, oh, this is great. You're your own app.

But it's like, I'm so stoked for that for me personally because it's like, did I get it right? Am I correct? Did I help someone? Did I empower someone? I'm going to quiz you on something right now, Dom. Yep. There was a really weird looking spider.

I have no idea what the fuck this thing is. It was in there for a week. It's always key to take photos of that. Oh, that's a jumping spider. Ah, that's what you thought it was. Did you see it jump? No. Yeah, they will jump.

Totally harmless. Harmless? Yeah, totally harmless. Really creepy looking. There's only one spider in L.A., and I find them all the time. Brown Widow? Brown or Black Widow? Reclus, you don't tend to see.

That's like not here, right? Oh, they're absolutely here. They are? They are. They're strictly not ternal, so you won't see them until way past kind of 11 o'clock a night. Very shy. But I would like joke around my friends. We'd be walking around, you know, after going out one night. And I'd be like, I bet you I can find a black widow in the next two or three minutes. Because they're really noticeable like after 11 o'clock at night.

But, you know, if you tap their web, they just disappear. But their bite is medically significant. But they're beautiful animals. Like really. What does that mean medically significant? Are we going to the hospital? Like, are we, what's to do? I'm scared. Significant means, you know, all spiders are venomous, but only some spiders have, A, a strong enough bite to get through your skin and be a venom, which can actually do something to you. Most spider bites are itchy, annoying. Maybe you get this weird, like, sticky stuff that comes out. Yeah, it's weird. They jizz on you? It's kind of like jizz. It's like it's your body's reaction to the bite instead of it, like bleeding or something. It just kind of has this sticky kind of

consistently. It's a bit icky, strange. So that's the most dangerous local spider you would say is the Black Widow? The Black Widow is the only one. I've handled them. I kept them at home. What? As a pet? Yeah, I don't know about the word pet. As a spider friend. Yeah, I keep animals and especially venomous animals because I'm interested in venom. I think it's really fascinating. With an animal, if it bites you or stings you, you've made a mistake. They don't do that just for shits and giggles. Do you know what I mean? They're doing it because it's a warning. They're saying, hey, you hurt me, or hey, I feel threatened. So with a black widow, their abdomen is extremely delicate.

If you drop a black widow from probably three or four feet, they'll explode like a cherry, like a right cherry. So if you're like, you know, if you're dragging them across your hand and they feel like they're about to fall or something, yeah, maybe they'll bite. But if you're holding onto them respectfully, then they won't. Venom is a very difficult thing, very expensive thing for an animal to create. It's essentially like a modified saliva, but the energy that it takes to turn their saliva into venom, it takes a lot of their energy. They don't give it away freely, you know?

They're not just going to be like, oh, a human, well, let me bite and put some venom in there and see how it goes. They're going to do it when they feel threatened. That means when you sleep? What do you do? I mean, because I feel like my kids always wake up with spider bites. They're probably, as humans do, rolling over. rolling over. So you've got a spider on their arm. You know, they're half waking up and feeling a little irritated and they're scratching at it. And then the body has a reaction to like roll over or maybe they do this and the spider's scared. Right. But I've always taught my daughter like they're not going to mess with you. Like if you don't mess with them, they won't mess with you. I'm at the same philosophy. And she's never been scared. And somebody, I think, I don't know, a kindergarten teacher like taught her a game. She's like, when I was a kid, you know, we would pick up bees. with our hands and hold them, you know.

So she was doing this at school for months on end until finally she got stung, obviously. It's going to happen if you're holding bees. So now she's terrified of them, but I really work with her on it that if you leave, you were holding it in your hand and playing with it. How old are you adults?

She's seven, almost eight. Yeah, so, you know, yeah, yeah. But so it's like, you know, just teaching them, we live in Southern California, there's lots of things. We got rattlesnakes. Yeah. We have all these spiders, you know.

Yeah. Baby rattlesnakes, more dangerous than, adult because, right, they release more venom? Is that a true? Is that a myth? That's not true. Okay, debunk it. Baby, baby rattlesnakes more liable to bite because they're more skittish, they're more nervous. They don't have the experience of an adult where maybe they've been around a human, you know, and the human has not threatened them. So the snake is not like triggered to be like, I see a human, I bite. Right. A baby rattlesnake has no experience with that. So they're more nervous. If something comes over to them, they're just going to bite. They're also more

defenseless because they're smaller and animals will mess with them more. So they're just like, okay, if anything comes anywhere near me, I'm going to bite because I'm tiny. Things will kill me. So that's why. They're not having anxiety. Oh, my blood pressure. No, my blood pressure is actually really bad up. I'm like, is this weird? Yeah, because you're one of those assholes that is like when we're being attacked by bees, you're like, it's fine. I just don't move. And I'm freaking my balls off. Her and Leah, run for their lives, okay? Like, terrified. Like, I'm really nervous right now.

Oh, interesting. Isn't it? The whole rattlesnake and it like makes my blood pressure go up. Interesting. Your human reaction. Yeah, mine is just to be calm and I'm like, they're not going to do anything. Are you not human? Yeah.

No. I'm not. Let me take off my suit. I kept bees for a little bit. I think three years or so I had like two B-Ives on my property and I was kind of grandfathered in by this beekeeper who's like 70 and an amazing beekeeper. So cool. Yeah, very cool.

And like, unnerving. lovingly strong this guy. So I have like a set of stairs that go up to the top of this like little, you know, tables and chairs thing where my house is, where my garden is. And we put the beehives up there. So it's about a hundred steps to get up there. And when a beehive is full of honey and bees, it's probably about 75 pounds, 70 to 75 pounds. So we had two of them. So my guy, Bruce, was like, you take one down to the bottom because we were harvesting honey. I'll take the other. And I was like, are you going to be okay taking a 70 pound hive? He's like, don't worry, I'll be fine.

I was fucked. I had to stop. I had to stop four or five times, and I had a bee inside my suit. So I was like, I'm going to get stung. And he just came, he came all the way down in two goes. Like, stopped halfway through. Seemed fine, but he's just 70, just ripped no fat on him. And I was just so impressed with him.

But he had said to me right from the start, he doesn't wear gloves, he doesn't wear a hood. He's like, look, if you can get to a place where your breathing stays calm, where your whole vibe stays calm, then the bees will be less liable to stingy. And I've always been that way. I did a nature show for years. That's right.

Yeah. And one of the things that I tried to train my crew in a rudimentary way just to kind of get them more experience with animals is if you are around or certainly holding an animal, I go through a mantra in my head. And you'll hear me do it on the show where I go, you're okay, you're okay, you're good, you're good, you're fine. Now, some of that is for the animal,

but some of it's for me. If I'm holding a hot snake, I'm saying to myself, you're good, you're good, you're okay, you're okay. And I'll say it to my cameraman, Frank, you're okay, you're okay, you're okay, you're okay, but you're okay, you're okay, you're also communicating that. I know, you're communicating that energetically to the animal. Right, for sure. English, but they speak body language, they speak energy. Yeah. What's the craziest thing you've ever handled, the most poisonous venomous.

I'm sorry, this is so fascinating to me. I can't help it. What was her name again? No. We know her. I mean, probably the most dangerous is the Black Mamba, which is Africa's most deadly snake. You actually handled one?

Yeah, I took one out of someone's bathroom in South Africa. Excuse me? Like, they just called you up, like, up, don't patrol. Yeah, so we were doing a show about the White Lion in South Africa, which is there's only like 13 of them left. Holy shit. And they've been, like, poached a lot. So we were trying to, well, we were doing a show about,

the white lion. And we had said to one of my snake friends who lives in South Africa, we're like, look, if you see, or you're working at, because he's on call, if you're working with anything significant, give us a call and we'll try and get there and help you out. Lots of times it will be like a rock python, which is the biggest python in Africa, has just made its way into a house or a bathroom or a school or something. We're like, if it's a rock python, we don't really want to do it. It's a little boring. We've done rock pythons before. And then he called us one morning. He was like, we think we got a member in someone's house.

So we were like, okay, we'll be there in an hour. So he just closed up the house. We went in, took this member out. There has been no survival rate. No one has survived a bite from a black member. Everyone that has been documented to have been bitten by a black member dies. Whoa. And they die in like 20 minutes, half an hour.

Yeah, it's very fast. Are you losing her mind over here? I mean, are you well? I don't know. It's just interesting to me, you know. It's amazing to think that this flupy piece of noodle that doesn't look like the most dangerous snake on the planet. It doesn't look like a cobra or a vibrantly colored viper or anything.

It's kind of a greenish, brown, like olive greeny kind of snake with a black mouth, has this ability to just switch off the human race, you know? So what did you do? I want to hear what happened. Took it out of the bathroom, you know, obviously. How? Yeah. Well, held onto its tail and then halfway through its body held onto it with like a little, like a stick, like a hook thing. And then you take it outside and hold onto its tail and you just give, this is what you do with all venomous snakes. No.

You give the snake any freedom and opportunity to be either safe and still or moving away from you. And then anytime it's moving towards you and being gnarly and aggressive, you then put it in a place of realizing that that is not okay. And you just find a vibe. So, you know, I think within probably, I don't know, I want to say like two to three minutes, the snake was like, okay, I'll just chill. What the fuck? I'm not going to get close enough to you to bite you. I'm going to expend all this energy. I can't escape right now, but I'm safe. And it went from kind of, you know, its head above the, grass kind of looking and its mouth kind of gaping open to just kind of like, all right, I'll just chill. And then we worked with it and then we put it in a bag and drove it into, you know,

kind of deeper areas where there's no humans and let it go. So did you have like proper training on how to handle these things properly or what? Yeah, I'd been, well, I've had reptiles all my life since I was a kid, but I've worked with kind of, you know, professionals over the years to, you know, get me through different stages with snakes. So initially you want to work with slow-moving, non-dangerous snakes and see how that is. And then you want to be working with fast-moving non-dangerous snakes. Then you want to be working with slow-moving venomous snakes. You just move up and up and up.

So you get to a point where you can work with elapids, cobras, mambas. But initially it's like pythons and stuff like that. And that was your only mamba experience? That's my only black mamba experience. Yeah. We've done, you know, we've done pretty much everything. I mean, you know, any kind of super dangerous animal that you care to mention, we probably had some sort of running with because that was the show, you know.

Yeah. I didn't want to. I love animals, all animals, but my feeling has always been like dogs and cats and horses and rabbits and hamsters, they're okay. They've been saved. We love them. We're connected to them. We're never going to run out of those animals. They're going to be good.

It's the hated. It's the ignored. It's the ones that have the most amount of a struggle to have any kind of like close living proximity with humans that we need to be a little bit more caring and considerate towards. And also just for humans to be able to know like, oh, you can actually be relatively close to these guys and they're okay. Fine. There's rules. There's rules with all those animals. It's a completely different set of rules with a cobra than it would be, let's say, with a rattlesnake.

So if we went into a rattlesnake on a hike, what do we do? Yeah. So the rattlesnake thing is all about distance. Right. Rattlesnakes will only react, respond if you break through their circle of safety. So if this table here is a rattlesnake, you guys are probably in the firing lane, but I'm okay. Because you want to be... We're like, oh, shit.

So if you see a rattlesnake, if you really want to be safe around your kids... Yeah, I really want to be safe. Yeah, yeah. So the first thing that I do when I, if I see a rattlesnake in the wild, is I try and estimate its length. So if you see a rattlesnake and it's, you know, it's coiled up, it's harder. But you can do it. Obviously, if it's elongated and heading away from you, you just kind of look and you go, okay,

that rattlesnake is four feet. So if it's a four foot rattlesnake, that means that it has the chance to bite you from two feet away. So if you're three feet away, you're good. So you want to do some quick maths. If it's coiled up, it's a little harder to do, but you want to do some quick mass and then you cut that snake in your mind, not in real life, in half, and then you make sure that you are half or a little bit more further away from that rattlesnake and you'll be fine. But that's for someone who has the ability to calm themselves enough to do that. Because like for me, I would go into fight or flight, right?

Because I don't think I would have the ability to be calm enough to be like, oh, that's a good. I don't even know if I'd be able to estimate its length. Yeah, yeah. Right? So flight for you. Never fight. You never want to fight a wild animal. Or freeze.

Or freeze. Yeah, I'll freeze. Do I freeze or run? No, I would say probably, I wouldn't run necessarily because you, you know, usually get yourself in trouble if you run. Like, flight is good. If you're walking down a kind of hike and you see a rattlesnake and it's in your path, then you put for you, you would probably think, okay, well, that's the end of my hike

and I'm going to back up. If you freeze and get yourself into a situation of like, oh my God, I can't move. Yeah. And then that rattlesnake starts to move towards you. Oh, fuck. You don't want to be stuck in that situation. So it's just like, you know, pacing your way backwards. But you'd be surprised just how chill those animals are.

It sounds like it's so cliche to say it, but it's totally true. They are all way more scared of us than we are of them because they associate humans with high level panic and people fucking, you know, trying to hit. and with rakes and shovels and stuff. So they do not want to be around us. Yeah, we're the most brutal of animals. Awful. Yeah, we're horrible. I was thinking of that the other day.

Where was I? I was somewhere with, oh, Disneyland. I was at Disneyland, and I was thinking, we're the weirdest of the all creatures on Earth. We take our food, we kill it, and then we package it up in these little things. This is what you were thinking about at Disneyland? I have problems.

I'm like, we're the most ruthless creatures that we kill our food and then we decorate it and make it into all these shapes. What were you looking at? Like, yeah, what? I think it was like, corn dogs. Yeah. I was like, if you think about it, that was an animal ground up. Who knows what animal is? And dipped and think, like, imagine if someone did that to us, what we would think of them.

Yeah, no, we're very, we're very strange. You know what I'm saying? We're sick. We're also very disconnected from the natural world. Yeah. Right. I struggle to have those conversations with people because I get myself kind of wound up about it. But, you know.

You're safe. Yeah. Yeah. Lots of times because I do subscribe to being an animal lover. And a lot of times people would be like, oh, I love animals. I have a dog. And I go, cool. How do you feel about bats?

And they go, oh, it's not for me. And I go, you're not an animal lover. You're a dog lover. But you eat animals, right? I have eaten animals. Yeah, I don't eat animals all the time, but yeah, I have eaten animals. What does that mean? You're kind of a vegetarian or what do you mean?

I mean, like, breakfast is usually no meat and then lunch is usually no meat. Oh, you know, I might eat fish here and there. Depends where I am. You know, like my parents spend a lot of time in Spain and in certain parts of Spain where they live, they have an extraordinary amount of really good seafood and it's kind of ethical. I'll eat meat there and fish and stuff. But yeah, I wouldn't describe myself as like the biggest meat here. But I think, you know, as an animal, we're kind of opportunistic omnivores, you know.

So I was strictly vegetarian for a little bit and I just lost way too much weight. Like I'm not the biggest guy in the world anyway, but I went from like, I don't know, 150 to like 130. And when I get down to 130, I look like a prisoner of war. And I was just like, it's not. And my mom, every time I would like face chat with my mom, she'd be like, you need to eat meat. I'm like, oh, well, you know, I'm kind of vegetarian right now. And she's like, yeah, but it doesn't look good, Dom.

Like, you need a little bit of something. Right. Yeah. So I feel like you'd be of the philosophy of like growing it, doing the whole thing yourself if you're going to, right? I mean, maybe I'm wrong. But because your appreciation of animals. That's rad. He's like, yeah, sure.

I'm going to farm some cows and I'm going to take them. No, I don't know, but there is something to that, you know? Like when you raise it, you love. It's your gratitude. I could never kill something. Yeah. Personally. I don't ever kill a spider.

Yeah. I don't ever kill any insects. No, no. Insects are my favorite animal as well. What about a Black Widow? Do you feel like your children in the house? You wouldn't kill it. No.

Take it out. But where? Outside. That's where they live. So I do these Q&As on Instagram all the time. Very often someone will be like, I have ants in my garden. There's a lot of them.

What should I do? Right back and said, nothing. That's where they live. In your garden? Yeah, that's outside. That's their place. Why would anyone have a problem with that? Well, sometimes people are like we said, people are disconnected from the nature.

But how do you feel about ant traps in the house when you have like an ant infestation? No, I don't do that. I have ants right now in my kitchen. I have a lot of ants from my kitchen. You just live with them and you're like, hey guys. No, no, I control them. But it's a it's a conversation that you're having with that animal. And you want to be fair with that animal, you know, like, so I have two trash cans.

One's full of recycling. one's full of like food waste. What I know is when it got roasting hot in L.A. You know what he wave that we just went through? What I noticed is that the ants are really struggling in the heat, so they're trying to seek shelter inside your house. Right, and water, right? Water, yeah.

And then food. So they come into my house, they go into where all my food waste is, and there's like tangerine peel and apple cores and bananas, and they're loving it. It's cool in there and there's food in there. So I was like, okay, that's me. That's not the ants. That's me.

So I take the food waste outside. put it in the green waste bin type thing. And then for the next, like, week or so, I do not have food waste in my house. Every time I have an apple, I go throw it out. If you stop that pathway for the animal, where they're like, there's no food in there, they won't come in. So you're redirecting them.

Right. And that's a fair communication. The ant trap thing is like, I don't know, I feel snidey doing that. Do you know what I mean? I do struggle. I will, I do, my mother is very animal-friendly. of all kinds. And it had always raised me to,

you take the spider outside, you know, all that. And I do do that. And the ants, I will say, I do use the ant traps because sometimes the infestation is crazy. Well, you have kids as well, right? Yeah, you're kids.

But I do feel bad. I feel bad killing anything, okay? And I've always been under the understanding, like we have a lot of brown widows in our yard and my daughter's always playing. So people are like, well, you have to kill them. If they're there, you have to kill them. You disagree.

Well, I do disagree only because you do not come in contact with black and brown widows that much before 11 o'clock midnight at night. So your daughter's not playing in your garden at midnight, right? Right. But if you overturn something, it's like dark in there and you come across them. No, widows live in very kind of cube-shaped webs. I could probably find you them in your garden. They're sticky, aren't they? And the webbing is almost like guitar string. It's like super strong. So in the daytime, the web is there. And even if you like mess about with the web, the widow knows that it's a human messing about with the web. A big animal doesn't think that it's like a moth or a butterfly that it's going to eat.

So even if your daughter were to run into that web, the widow's not going to do anything. It would have to be that your daughter's like out at midnight and goes to pick up the spider. But if you try and, I've done it a lot. If you try and pick up a black widow spider from their web, I would say, you're successful like 10% at the time. Because they have an escape route. Spiders always have an escape route in their house. That's how it works. So they create a web where they know where the prey animal is going to be.

And they also know where they can go if shit gets real. So as soon as you get involved with that web, they're out of there. But again, in these Q&As that I do, someone will be like, there's a black widow. There's not a black widow. There's a spider in my bathroom. What do I do? And I write back and say, try to connect to the idea that this spider has no idea that it's sharing space with a human. How could a spider even make sense of that in its rudimentary brain that like, oh, there's

Sheila and she's having a shower, I'm going to go over and bite them. They don't, the thought pattern doesn't work like that. Spiders think, am I warm, am I safe? Can I eat? How do you know that? Because that's how it works from a biological point of view. Do they have a consciousness? I mean, I don't think that's been in any way proven with a spider. What about dogs?

Yeah, I would think so. Don't you think so? There's a sliding scale or maybe a ladder that you climb up with that. You know, spiders have been around for hundreds of millions of years. The things that have developed with spiders like venom and, you know, their webbing and stuff are highly sophisticated, but they don't need a highly sophisticated brain for them to be a hugely successful animal. So of course, that part of their evolution has not really developed in the way that ours has, because we're a social animal and our brain needs to be complicated in that regard. If you,

expose a spider to heat, they're going to run away because, you know, it's dangerous. But they don't know what that is or why they're running away. They don't go, oh, it's hot over there. Oh, they don't. It doesn't think that way. I think a dog probably would. They go, oh, dangerous is hot. Oh, I don't like it.

And maybe they wouldn't do it again. But spiders don't, the brain just doesn't work that way, you know. What about we? Did you know that we were just going to totally. Yeah, it happens all the time. I did Adam Carolla's. podcast the day and we're supposed to be talking about a bunch of stuff. And he was like, we just spoke for an hour about animals and I'm like, well, I'm obsessed and if you're going

to ask me questions about animals, but we can talk about whatever you guys. No, I'm like loving as long as you're okay with it. I just have a question because we just recently, oh, my dog got a rat. So she brought it, dropped it at my husband's feet and looked up at him like, look what I did, daddy. You know? And so then we had someone come out to be like, okay, do we have. have rats. And there's no rats in the house and there are some outside. And we had one person come say, leave them. They're outside. You just leave them. Then another person came and said, oh, well, we could put traps and then we come out monthly and what do you do about that? No, everyone has rats. Everyone has rats. Everyone has rats. It's how it works. I didn't know that. I have so much

I do it in my garage and it's like it's just what it is. It's nature. We live in nature. We should be so lucky to be living that close to a natural animal. You know, the line that you take with someone coming every month and clearing out the traps and stuff like that is, you know, it's the natural world. So if you kill a family of rats, a new family rats move in. They're like, oh, free real estate. So they move in, then you kill those guys and then a new family rats come in.

That's what we said. It's a huge fight for real estate out there. Yeah. Just like here. Yeah, it's hard. So if you kill a family of established rats, then, you know, within a few weeks, you've got more rats. Or maybe you're then inundated with another animal. Squirrels come in or, you know, go for rats.

Everyone just has to relax about this stuff. I felt bad, though, when she brought it over because we heard her chasing it. And then she had scratches on her. I mean, she got in a real fight. Right. That's a wild animal. I know. It really freaked me out.

I was like, this is next level. Yeah. I didn't know she had it in her. I left bird food out once, like, you know, because we, in the bird feeder, and I didn't know, and the bag was by the, I have glass doors you can see out. And all of a sudden I heard something. One night watching TV and I looked back, I'm not kidding you when I say it was like the women's march, that many rats, like in a parade coming for the bird feed. And I was just watching them and I was like, well, I left the food out. Yeah. Feast away. And then I got rid of the food the next day. But I didn't do anything. But it was so interesting because at night, you're like, oh, there's like a million rats. Oh, yeah. That's how it goes. It's just how it is. She can't handle it. She can't handle it. I don't know why I want to be able to handle it because it is life. And I don't know what that reaction is. It's actually weird. Yeah. I mean, how was your childhood with those things? How are your parents with those things? I mean, my dad was great with them. You know, there was no like, there's no trauma there.

Yeah. But did something happen? Did you have a cockroach experience that really sticks in your head? Do you have a bee or wasp experience? I didn't get stung until I was in my 30s for the first time. No. That's why I'm saying there's no, like, trauma. No hysterical friends that you spend a lot of time with. Leah. When I lived with Leah, let me tell you. She reacts like a crazy lady sometimes.

She does. We gave her alter ego a name. But she would get stung by a bee, and I would have to calm her from her panic attack. And I would do, like, you know, baking soda paste and put it on the sting or whatever and just calm her down. But I'd have to talk her out of it because it was really her mind. working up more than the sting itself. Yeah. Which is interesting, right? Because it's just like the human condition of thinking this is like the worst thing ever.

But it's created a negative pathway in people's minds and all this kind of stuff, you know? Yeah. They get stung or they hear about someone getting stung or that, you know, they hear like, oh, every so often someone can get stung by B and you go into anaphylactic shock and then you die and epipenance and all this kind of stuff. People get hysterical. So then you get stung by B and it's painful and you don't really know. what to do. It's not as painful as... Childbirth?

Nothing's as painful as childbirth. But it's not as painful as getting like a shot. And people will willingly go Botox their face up or get lip injections or whatever. That is far more painful than getting stung by a bee. Yet we freak. It's probably the unexpected nature of this thing, right? Because you know you're going to that clinic and you're going to get a shot and you're like, okay, I'm preparing for this. Right.

Unexed. Your brain. What could be shocked? Dave is going this direction. Then suddenly I got stoned. Yeah. Yeah, it is interesting. But we can go off of animals now.

Yeah. I know. Because we could really... I could do this all day. We intend to rack your brain more. Yeah. You guys need identifying more animals and stuff. No, I really do need you on speed dial.

Yeah. So, I'm like, what is this thing? And you live in a beautiful part of L.A., so I'm sure there's great opportunities to see wild animals. Someone sent me a picture this morning when I was driving over. They were like, hey, I saw a falcon. It took a baby bird out of a nest. And I was like, it's not a falcon.

It's a goss hawk. And they were like, well, my friend said it's a falcon. I was like, okay, well, you can ask your friend to go look at this image and find out if it's a gosshawk or a falcon. You're like, don't challenge my knowledge. A lot of redtail hawks around you. I'm curious, though, has that transferred your love of animals and the way you talk to yourself? fascinates me like it's okay it's okay right so everything in life is the stories we tell ourselves right and then we experience it from that point has that transferred into other things that

you didn't think were possible or things like has it given you a way to communicate with yourself yeah probably um you know i'm a big fan of like i didn't even know what it was for the longest time and then someone pointed out that i've managed to you know i've managed to you know i've managed to you know manifested a lot of stuff, you know, and I was like, oh, that's interesting. Let's talk about that. So then they kind of said, well, this, you're into this and then this happened. And then you're into this and then this happened. And it seems like you can actually focus on what you want and then just stick with it and it shows up. And I didn't really realize that that was a manifestation thing. Every so often I'll like talk in schools or colleges to kids that are into acting and stuff.

And I always say, if you really want to do it, then just don't give up. And then you'll do it. Like most, that's the key. Most people give up. You know, it's hard or it's difficult or financially it can, of course, be challenging. Or maybe you don't get a huge amount of support from your friends and family. That's all challenging. And a lot of times people say that's the reason why I gave up. Okay, that's fine.

But if you still have those challenges and you do it, you're either going to, you know, do it or die trying. So you may as well do it. I love that. There's a great speech that Jim Carrey gives, which I thought was really beautiful, where he said that his father was like the first. funniest guy that he knew and super charismatic and could have been a comedian, but he chose to work in whatever, something crappy that he didn't want to do like insurance. And he said, you know, my dad kind of died unhappy. And he was like, so I realized you could either do something that you really want

to do and maybe even die unhappy or do something that you don't want to do and die unhappy. So he was like, do what you want to do. And I thought that was a really beautiful thing to say. And of course, we have, we have pressures to, you know, tow the line and do certain things. But, um, Yeah, I think, you know, I'm conscious of like being mindful of how I speak and, you know, I meditate and a lot of those mantras are kind of interesting. I did this really strange thing that didn't, that it didn't happen in any way intentionally. So a lot of times my mantra would be like, I am grateful, I am thankful, I am healthy, whatever, you know, my life is abundant, things like that. That's kind of been a constant kind of thing for like the last 10, 15 years or so. In the last three weeks or so without me even thinking about it, my mantra became,

I accept, I surrender. And I did not say, okay, I'm going to change it to this thing. I just sat and meditated and this thing was like, I accept, I surrender. And I was like, oh, what am I accepting and what am I surrendering to? But I'm here for it, you know. Yes. The mystery of, I'm going to have another one of these things. You should.

As many as you want. Oh, you are hooked. Right. Now, they're not good for you. They're good for you. It's soda. There's a bit of a, you know, conflicting opinions on it. Okay.

There's no sugar. There's no anything. It says it's flavored with natural whatever. Yeah. But no one really knows. Naturally essence. Yes. Okay.

LeCroi. I know. I think you'll be safe today. Okay. You're okay today. Yeah. I think you're going to get through it. Except surrender to the LeCroy.

Yeah. There you go. And you're good. What about you guys? Do you guys meditate? Okay, do you guys, okay, so do you have like a mantra or do you try and go into the void and all that kind of stuff? I've done a lot of different versions. It depends on the day.

It depends on the week. It depends on what I'm working with. I've never done TM. I really want to. I studied Buddhism. I mean, I've studied a lot of different forms. And then most of the meditation for me today is just focusing on my breath. Yeah.

and getting into my body and getting out of my head and just lightly labeling, like thinking and coming back to my breath. And doing that, I also do guided meditations. I mean, I've probably done most except for TM. Yeah. What about you? I kind of got introduced to it by a friend who was just kind of like, just sit and try and concentrate on your breath.

And if a thought shows up like a cloud, just be like, there's a cloud and it passed by and then come back to your breath and then another cloud shows up. So I did that. I don't even know necessarily what that would be for a few years. Mindful meditation. Oh, is that mindful meditation? So did that, which I thought was really beautiful and noticed a huge amount of changes. And then some like, you know, incredibly powerful kind of cosmic stuff happened during that. Went to different galaxies and met different versions of myself, which was like, okay. So I subscribed to that very heavily. And then, you know, I'm a big fan of hallucinogenics.

Yeah. Yeah. And if it, you know, when they happen, I like to go pretty big and open and wide with it. And I think if you don't have an understanding of control of the breath or at least being mindful of the breath, you can fall into that panicky place. And then I think the hallucinogenic kind of switches off a lot for me when that happens. Is it mainly like mushrooms or ayahuasca or like or they're different, have you done at all? Yeah, I mean, yeah, pretty much, yeah, yeah, pretty much everything. I think from a, from a kind of more ease of practice, probably mushrooms is the easiest thing to get into.

But I have to take a lot now for me to have an experience. I have to take like 12, 14 grams of mushrooms to like get into it. So like, yeah, it's a lot. I mean, even for me, and I'm like, I'll just, I'll keep beating them. But what I do is I pulverize them into like a dust. You know the little coffee grinder thing? Yeah, yeah. So I put the shrooms in there, and then I pulverize them into dust,

and then I put them into little capsules. But I have to take like 30 of those capsules to get going. 30? Yeah. That's insane. Yeah, it's not, I'm not saying it to brag. In fact, it's kind of irksome because now, you know, my, whatever, I'll be with friends and they're like, oh, okay, whatever, I'll take six, I'll take eight, I'll take 12, and I'll be like, okay, I'm just going to go over here for a little bit because I feel kind of self-conscious about it.

Being like, I need 30. Yeah, it's just been a lot. Are you immune to it at this point? I think I built a tolerance. Did you build up a tolerance? Have you ever had a bad trip? Sure, I've had a lot of bad trips. Me too.

Yeah. I like it excitedly. I like them. I like them. Bad trips you like? I don't like them in the moment. Obviously, it's a real struggle. But I don't know about you, but I think I probably find my biggest growth from the band ones,

from the ones where I'm really having a hard time and emotional and everything's collapsing and dissolving into a real nothingness that is terrifying. That for me is the next, I can fly off that for the next few months, you know. The good ones are fine, but, you know, my real kind of, I struggle with like mentors and stuff like that, But my real kind of like mentor in that world is a guy down in Peru. He's from South Carolina, but he runs an ayahuasca center in Peru. And he had said he thinks that the real magic happens when you leave. Yeah, when it gets big and you're not you anymore. Oh, yeah.

That makes me nervous. Do you want to do it? It's great. So I'm sober. So I've struggled with like, will I still be sober if I were to? do hallucinogenics, but I feel... They're great for sobriety, though, right? Exactly. That's what I feel.

So, Rachel, can we go to Peru? Yeah, I'll send you guys the link and we can chat about it. I'm not even kidding. He's an extraordinary guy and his center is incredible. I'm sure if you're going to do it, it sounds like that's the way you definitely want to do it. And is it like a guided trip? Like, you know, how they have, like, things like that. I mean, in some way, it's guided.

There's shaman there. There's facilitators there. You know, it's kind of... Does everybody throw up? Not everyone, but. I would say the overwhelming amount of people there will purge. Yeah. You know, this guy's great.

The Shepibo kind of community in Peru is the people that have the closest relationship with ayahuasca. So he has a kind of a nice group of Shepibo kind of people, their husband and wife team, sometimes, sometimes their children, you know, and he's an uncle's and stuff. So you have the influence of Shepibo with a little, little bit of Western help, like buckets. if you're puking. And, you know, the Shapibo Shaman will, like, sing songs, which are, like, the most beautiful thing you've ever heard in your life. And they'll come and sing songs directly to you, like into you and for you and all this kind of crazy cosmic stuff.

And then he wants you to kind of be out on your own. If there's, like, a couple that's gone down there together, or let's say that you two, as besties, go down there together, they will be pretty keen to separate you guys. you're on one side of the room, you're on another side of the room, because what happens, and I've had this experience because I went down there with an ex, is because you know each other so well and you're so close to each other physically. Sometimes stuff can jump.

So I remember being like, oh, why am I having this memory? I don't remember this. And I was like, oh, this is not my memory. This is her memory. Wow. I'm like in her trip right now, in her experience. And they were like, yeah, you don't want to do that. You want to be separate.

So, you know, it's medicine, right? It's like, you know, people have struggled with that with me. but do you puke and what about the mosquitoes and what about animals in the jungle and it doesn't taste good and I'm like well yeah but it's medicine it's not supposed to taste good it's not supposed to be a great experience

you get stuff out of it but you know grow up and take your medicine put your big boy pants on oh just the thought of it scares me see I'm the one it should be scary right see and I feel calm yes so so interesting like I'm not

I got bees I got I love it I got great juxtaposition that's why you guys do a great podcast Yeah, I feel great. Yeah. You know, I've challenged people. My brother's never going to listen to this. He doesn't listen to anything I do.

I challenge him too. Yeah. So my brother was like, you know, I said, you should do it, Matt. It would be amazing experience. It's an amazing experience for everyone. He's like, well, that's not really my thing. And he's like, I don't want you to think that I'm not into it because I'm scared. I'm not scared of it.

I'm not scared. And I was like, look, it's a terrifying experience, you know. And every time you do it, you're like a newborn baby in the arms of a giant that can just completely eviscerate. You should be scared. So I called him out on that bullshit that, it's not because I'm not scared. I was like, all right.

But, you know, why should fear stuff? Did you do it? No. Oh. Yeah, but like, for me, that's the kind of fear that I welcome. Right. Where I'm like, okay, that I can do. You like to be afraid and to challenge yourself in those ways.

Yeah, but when I get too comfortable, I'm like, I need to face something. Like, I need to push my, like, that's more comfortable. What do you keep saying to me lately about doing something and then something meeting you spirit meets you at your point of action. Yeah. But how is that different in terms of the way that you come up against animals that scare you? How should that be different? Why is that different?

That's what I, I don't want to be bit. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like, I think that I'm a little bit more scared of physical pain than I am psychological pain. Oh, okay. Because I'm more comfortable. You're like, I've had so much psychological pain.

that I'm like, oh, I know, here's what it is. I know there's a gift attached to it. So I know whatever I go face, if I go do ayahuasca and I know it may be frightening and painful and purging, I know intuitively there's something to gain. I don't know what that could be from a snake. Well, I wouldn't necessarily say that there is anything to gain from a bite from a snake. I don't think anyone goes out there to be like, oh, great, good. I'm going to get bit by a snake.

But the experience, the profound spiritual experience of being around something that can hurt you that doesn't based on how you show up is extremely powerful. There we go. You're right. You hit it on the head. So like just lean into that. If you're big in that place, of course you can be big in the other. Right.

I mean. And vice versa to you. Yeah. Listen, I think I'm scared. No, I think Rachel's going to do it. She is. We're going. Oh, fuck. You're going with us. Hey, I'm into. I'm into it. Yeah.

But so the sobriety thing, because I know our friend Leah is also sober. And, you know, I've said to her recently, I was like, so sober, so nothing. She's like, no, no, nothing. And I said, so you wouldn't explore, like, the value of hallucinogenics to keep you sober. And she's like, no, I don't think so. So I think that might have changed for her recently. Oh, okay, cool. Really? Yeah, we've talked about it. And I told her, because my. My husband and I are both sober and... Congrats.

Thanks. Yeah, it's a huge, great, wonderful gift in our life, but we both are very drawn to hallucinogens. And we've talked about, you know, I don't want to do it to go to a concert or I want to do it in the kind of environment you're talking about with the kind of experiences you're talking about. And Leah said, okay, we can do that.

I was like, well, it's our lives. We can do whatever we want, right? I'm a big fan of intention. How does it look at, though, from a sober community? There's people that do it for sobriety. It supposedly helps greatly with addiction. There's definitely old schoolers that frown upon it. But here's the thing.

Like, I've also been, you know, on and off on head meds for years. So it's like, how is that okay? It's not. I think it's a very deeply personal thing. I think people frown upon it and people also understand And Bill W, the guy who started the program, you know, in the book it talks about hallucinogens. Like he did hallucinogens back then to, you know. Well, recently, do you guys know Paul Stametz?

Paul Stamitz is probably the foremost kind of pharmacologist in terms of like fungi and hallucinogenic fungi. Big bearded guy. He looks like a grandfather, all that kind of stuff. He's a great guy to follow on Instagram. He released a few papers that had come out of several universities. showing the correlation between sobriety and the using of hallucinogenic. So it's real. It's super real.

And people are doing a lot of like ketamine treatments and all that kind of stuff and DMT. Yeah. Like I love that shit. Do you guys know about the toe? Booth or all virus? That's fucking heavy. Oh, like doing the poisonous frog venom thing. So there's two different types.

I'm going to get really geeky now. So you've got a frog which is called phylamedusa bicolor. That's the monkey tree frog. That's a very physical experience. You scratch a couple of little areas on your body. You put the venom on. You puke up for like 20 minutes. Then they scratch it off and it's done.

It's not a deeply spiritual, transportive experience. It's very physical. So I've done that a few times and you puke up crazy fluorescent yellow stuff. And I was like, wait, I didn't come from my stomach. I didn't drink crazy fluorescent stuff. And the shaman's like, no, you're purging your gallbladder. You're purging your liver.

your kidneys and stuff, which is really difficult to actually do. But it was like yellow, like those wet ones. Wow. I was like, where is that coming? So there's that. Interesting, but for me, it doesn't really move the needle a huge amount. And then you've got the toad, which is the Sonoran Desert Toad, which is called Bufo Alvarez. That's arguably the most venomous, well, poisonous, not venomous, poisonous animal on the planet. Whoa. Where are they found? Sonora. So what is that, Arizona?

Oh, shit. Yeah, Arizona. You can see them here in certain deserts and stuff. So what you do is you slightly annoy. All amphibians are mildly poisonous. It's just, it goes up in different places. So like a common frog, if you, you know, annoy enough, it'll start to secrete this kind of like milky fluid. And you'll notice if you hang on to like a common frog for hours,

for like four or five hours, your hands will start to get kind of itchy, you know. You're like, what is that? That's a very mild toxic. But it's okay for my daughter to catch frogs. Totally. You would honestly have to be hold onto it for like eight hours for it to have this slight extraction. And it would just be like itchy, like pollen on your eyes or something like. Bufa Alvarez, which is on the other side of the coin, is highly poisonous. So if you hang on to it, it secretes this milky substance.

You put that on like a piece of glass, let it dry in the sun, kind of, you know, chip it off, smoke that. And within like probably 20 seconds or so, you just completely fly off to a different galaxy. What heck? Yeah. Holy shit. And you're there for like 15 minutes. Do you meet your soul? Like, are you your soul?

What do you? It's a lot. It's a lot of, you know, different things for different people. Iowaska for me has become something I do not want to like disrespect the vine to say that I can navigate through it. but it's certainly easier for you to begin to navigate through that world, you know? Right. The toad is just extremely overwhelmingly strong. It's probably 10 times more powerful than ayahuasca in terms of its strength.

So you just come apart, you know, you just completely come apart. See, I hear that, though, you're like 15 minutes. I'm like, that I could do. It's amazing. Because, like, you know it's only 50. Like, so if you mentally prepare, like, you're not on this journey all night long, You know, like you have 15 minutes like that. You come out.

You have a little chat with the facilitator and you drive home. Half an hour later you're driving home. That's so insane. And you're just like zip-div-duda, you know. Wow. Even with ayahuasca. Can you die from it? Say again.

Can you die from it? No documented evidence of anyone dying from it or ayahuasca. I mean, ayahuasca's had two high-profile cases of death. But even though they're associated with ayahuasca, it's not the medicine itself. Some guy clearly struggling with. some mental health stuff, took a knife into a ceremony and was told by, he thought, told by ayahuasca to kill someone, he pulled a knife on this guy, tried to kill him, the guy, killed the guy with mental health issues. So that's kind of a big one. Another guy walked off

into the forest, into the jungle, have to drink an ayahuasca with a group. And like two days later, he was found dead of, you know, dehydration and exposure. But in terms of like drinking too much of the medicine, no, you'll just puke it out or poop it out. You guys have kids. You're fine with poop. Oh, are you kidding? Please. Poop all day long.

Oh my God. It's so crazy. It's so fascinating though, isn't it? I love it. I mean, it becomes just the most fascinating. It's probably the most fascinating thing in my life, the whole other galaxies and other world things in terms of meditation and hallucinations, hallucinogenics, because you're just like, well, so who is driving this spaceship?

That's right. if if i if i put myself if i drink a vine that knows absolutely everything about my life what's happened where i'm going what happens after i die all that kind of stuff then there's no level of control with what i'm doing like it's just yeah that's bizarre i'll tell you like the most the craziest thing that happened during irea for me was We were, well, I mean, there's so many, but this is just, this is one that stands out. I don't have kids, you know, like, I'm obviously single and a big fan of ladies, but I've been in and out of relationships and stuff. But I don't have any kids.

And I love kids. And I love hanging out with young people. I have a, you know, really beautiful little nephew that I love spending time with. And I was chatting one night, having like a Q&A, whatever session with Iowa. And she was like, well, at some point, everything will just kind of, lock in. It will be like a series of cogs that will lock in and things will start to make sense. I don't really want to tell you about that now because, you know, it just doesn't really make sense to tell you about that now. And I was being a little kind of bullshit about it. Like, oh,

really? Well, I love my life and I love my house and I love what I do and my freedoms and all this kind of stuff. And she dropped my daughter into my lap like a baby. Like a baby. Chills all over my body. Yeah, yeah. She just went and I like look down and there's like a little baby like, you know, month old baby in like little swaddling clothes. And I was like, oh, what's that? She's like, that's your daughter? And I was like, okay. And I'm like holding onto my daughter.

And then something else happens. And then suddenly I see my daughter trying to like get onto like one of those tiny little trikes that kids have. And as she's like trying to get her leg like over the, over the trink, it like catches on the tris school. And she like kind of eats shit but doesn't really like care about it and like looks over at me kind of like, whatever. I just fell over it.

It's not a big deal. And I realized that's happening in my future. I'm going to at some point watch that and be like, oh, she told me about this years ago, you know? And I was like, well, then what is life if this is like the whole time linear thing. Oh, it's crazy. I have a friend who, it was so funny because she's very into ayahuasca and her husband and they host ceremonies and all of this. And we both got pregnant at the same time. And she goes, what do you think you're having?

And I said, oh, I already know what I'm having a boy. I said, what are you having? She said, well, we're not going to have the doctor tell us. Ayahuasca already told me it's a boy. And it was when she had the baby. And then I guess ayahuasca told her again that she'd be having a second child. And same exact thing happened. And I remember one time I was on acid, this was crazy.

So we took acid the craziest trip of my life. We drove through Taco Bell. As one does. Yeah, I mean, it's so stupid. And the food was like breathing. It was all breathing. So we decided let's just rub it on us. Okay.

So instead of eating it, we rubbed it all over us. Then we were like covered with all this Taco Bell stuff. So all of a sudden I got this. Wait, like in your living room, in your shower or something? In the car. In the car. The person driving wasn't on acid, obviously. But she's okay when you rubbing Taco Bell all over.

All over, right? Wow. And all of this, you don't know onions, extra red sauce. All of a sudden I got this feeling like I need to be in nature. So I started freaking out. I was like, you need to let me out of the car. I get out of the car and I go sit in the bushes. Okay?

I'm sitting in the bushes. Covered in Taco Bell. In Taco Bell. But I felt I'm better. Yeah. I'm great. leave me here. And they kept saying, we can't leave you here. I started crying hysterically. And I said, please leave me here. On the side of the street in North Hollywood.

Two, three months later, that trip lasted. That was a whole thing. Whatever. Two, three months later, my mom bought a house. I call my friend Jenna. I say, come over and see my mom's new house. She shows up tears streaming down her face. And I'm like, what? She's like, Olivia, those are the fucking bushes. And I look and I'm like, oh my God, my mom bought the house. Whoa. Of the bushes I was in crying saying, leave me here. I feel safe here.

Ended up being my house. Yeah, that's interesting. Such a crazy story. And if you notice that when those things happen, the more they happen, the more they continue to happen, right? They start to stack on top of each other. Yeah. It's all like some crazy, intuitive, psychic connection to...

Well, they say it opens a part of your brain that we don't have access to, right? Yeah, the whole pineal thing. Yeah. So have you experienced that? Like, do you get more psychic hits now? Yeah, although, yeah, I have my own kind of journey with that, because one of my exes is like Reiki practitioner and spiritual healer and all this kind of stuff. and, you know, like, that can be a little, that can be a little triggering for me. I mean, I think we all have the ability to, like, tune into stuff.

And it's hard to equate the realness of those things going on. But that doesn't necessarily matter if it's happening all the time to you. And for you personally, it's true. Then it's true, you know. What about it is triggering? Well, like, no, it's not that triggering. It's just like, you know, she's an ex. So it's like,

Every time we walk past the shop that was selling crystals, she'd be like, I have to go in here, I have to buy this crystal. I'm like, oh, you have to buy this crystal. You've got like 400 in my house. And she's like, this is the one that is going to just turn it all around. I'm like, well, okay, let's go buy it then. So then we buy it. And she'd be stoked on it and meditating and all this kind of stuff.

It's a beautiful thing. And then, you know, a few weeks later, I'd be like, what happened with that crystal? She's like, it's not the one. It's not I need it. I mean, a blue one or a green one or a yellow one and all this kind of stuff, you know. So there's a little bit of that. They're not cheap, the crystals. No, they're not.

They're not cheap. It's a whole, I feel like cult of crystals. Yeah. Also, like, you know, the, I mean, England has a huge amount of hang-ups. And, you know, quite a lot of that is the fact that they are very quick to judge anything, woo-woo and hippy-dippy and spiritual and all that kind of. and stuff. So I think there's a little bit of that. In you? Well, it's just, yeah, I mean, I've done a lot of work on that over the years, but it's just part of the city that I come from. It's part of the, it's part of, you know,

my dad was a biology teacher. My brother is a biology teacher. My mother was a nurse. There's a lot of science in my family. So the idea is if you cannot corroborate it with graphs and figures and data doesn't exist. You know, my brother was very kind of judgmental and poo-pooing about my whole ayahuasca experience. And he was like, there's no evidence. And I was like, there's a ton of evidence. You know, and he's like, well, I'm not talking about anecdotal evidence.

And I said, no, I'm talking about Google Scholar. I'm talking about people studying these things. I'm talking about, you know, ethnobotanists and scientists studying the vine itself. And I would send my brother links. Look, here is a PhD professor. Is this? Nah, no, no. And I'm like, well, if I'm.

showing you the thing that you're asking for and you're saying, no, that's not on me anymore. That's your bullshit. Do you know what I mean? Like, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it true. They have whole departments on this at top schools. And I mean, there's a lot of evidence now. It's just what you don't want to know. I mean, even if you took a political point of view, you know, you can point out things in the

political landscape where you can say to this person, no, that didn't happen. It happened like this. But because they support this political figure, they're like, well, I didn't. disagree. And you're like, but you're disagreeing with empirical evidence. And they're like, well, yeah, I disagree. Like, okay, well, then what are we talking about? Right. There's just certain people that you just can't get through to. Yeah. Even with all the proof in the world. Yeah. Yeah. There was a, when, when I'm not hugely political, whatever, like, I have my own views, but I don't, I don't feel like I'm, like, massively political. But when Biden got in,

there was a lady that, like, was trolling me on Instagram on my direct messages just being like, you know, he drinks children's blood. Oh my goodness. He'll never get into office and he'll never be president and Trump will be back in the office in whatever amount of time. And I, you know, usually I ignore that bullshit. But with this girl, I mean, she probably wrote to me like 30 times. And I really didn't do anything. I wasn't. I wasn't rah, ra, pro, pro Biden. But, you know, I was like, oh, great, he got in, whatever. So I wrote to him and I said, that's fine that you have your opinions. I said, if I'm wrong and Trump gets back in and Biden is never president, I'll follow you on Instagram.

If you're wrong, you can just apologize because she follows me. So she couldn't like, you know. She's like, great. If that happens, of course I'll apologize. So Biden gets in. I wait three, four months. I sent her a message on direct message. Very polite.

Hey, just letting you know you said that you would apologize. I love that you followed up. Yeah, just checking. kept it very courteous. And she's like, ha, ha, no, fuck you. I'm never going to do that type thing. And I was like, all right, well, in that case, I'm going to block you from my account

because we reached an agreement. You agreed publicly that you would do it. And now you're reneging on it. So like... I can't tell you how much I love that. Just some like random troll on Instagram. You followed up with you. I can be very pedantic sometimes if I get into something, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. I'm a little obsessive, you know, and I'm okay with the fact that I'm obsessive. I just think you have to just choose your battles. You know, it's good to be obsessed by positive things that help you grow, you know. It sounds like you've found a lot of those in your life. And like that, I feel like is the answer for most drug addicts and alcoholics. It's like if we could just focus our obsession on other things that are, like you said, positive.

Yeah. Were you always like that? I was very easily, I don't want to use the word bored because I don't know if that's necessarily what was going on in my childhood, but I think a more positive way of putting a spin on that is that I have always needed stimulus at a relatively high level. So in New Zealand when we're making rings, very often Billy Boyd and I would be in the same scenes and we were besties so they would say to us, hey, you guys can either have a hotel room separately or if you want, we found this house and you guys can just live in this house for the six

weeks that we're on location. What do you think about that? Very often, Billy and I would choose to live in a house together. I didn't even think it was weird, but Billy pointed out, that is weird and it's okay, but just so you know, that's not normal, he would go off and he'd be working, and I'd maybe be off for the morning and be working in the afternoon. He'd come back and I would have like music on in one room and then the TV on in another room and I'd be painting in another room and then I'd be doing something in another room and he's like what what's going on and I'm like oh I'm just jumping in and now and dipping into here and he's like that's not what I do I tend to focus on one thing and so I think there's like strengths and weaknesses to to both those things I mean

I you know I have my own I have my own stuff you know it's not I um I struggle with you know I've definitely had some mental health stuff come up during COVID You know, live on my own, have lived on my own since I was 18 with little interspersed moments of living with the girls that I'm with. But I think you can become a little self-indulgent when you live on your own. I'm sure you guys know, having kids puts you in a place of like, well, I can't. I don't have an opportunity to sit around mulling because I've got this little human that taking care of. It's incredibly helpful for that. So I think there's been a little bit of that in my life, but I do have skill sets and obsessions with things that I know are good for me,

like animals, like gardening, like Lego, like. Lego. Yeah, I love Lego. Oh, my, did you just say Lego? I look I got that for my birthday. The Golden Girls. Oh, that's great. Yeah, that's brilliant.

Do you tackle those like enormous Lego contraptions? Yeah, I did Manchester United's stadium during COVID and Yoder. and Titanic. The Titanic one. I've seen that. It's like 10,000 pieces. I feel like you would be my son's favorite person. He already quotes you on now, like your lizard.

Animals and Legos. Like, what's that show he watches where the guy gets bit? Oh, right. On YouTube. Like Coyote Peterson and Bear Grills and all that stuff. How do you feel about those guys? I'm not crazy on the guy getting bit and stung and stuff. Because when you're looking at that, the animals.

is stressed, you know. They're putting the animal under a certain amount of stress to stinging or by. So I understand that the human is stressed and they understand that the human is trying to tell a story. What we've done and what we're giving a kind of nod of approval to with that is it's okay for this animal to feel fear and stress and pain because this animal is also feeling fear and stress and pain, putting the human above the wasp or the snake or the, the, you know, whatever.

I'm like, we're all the same. Pain to this animal is the same as it would be to us, you know. So why is it okay that you're, you know, I watched it once he was getting stung by a tarantula hawk, a type of wasp. And to make the wasp do it, he was applying a certain amount of pressure on the wasp's body so that it would sting. I'm like, well, how would you feel if a giant's like, ah, bite me?

He'd be like, well, that's really painful why he'd in that. So not crazy in that. Bear girl seems a little cooler, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's trying to push people into, they're like getting them out of their comfort zone, lots of positive affirmation about fear. Yeah.

He seems a little cooler. When he was kind of first coming up, do you remember Survivor Man? Sure. I remember Survivor Man. Led Stroud. Yes, I was more of a fan of his at the time than Bear because he was actually doing things on his own.

He didn't have a camera crew. He was really doing it all. He was. So I kind of gave the credit to him a little bit more. Obviously Bear has, you know, grown and whatever. Yeah. He does like the, did you ever do, his show?

No, I didn't. You take people with them? I was asked. You mean bears or Les? Yeah, Bear, Bear. I've been asked by both. I haven't done either. I would have done Les is probably more readily than Bears because Les is from Toronto and the

production company that I made Wild Things with. The nature show is also out of Toronto. So they know Les really well. I would have done it. Unfortunately, in the business that we're in, and you probably know this more than anyone else, Rach, is like, if you look at Les Stroud and Bear Grills, Lestrade's not quite as good looking as Bear Grills. So, bears a little more success.

Oh, poor, that's so sad. Bolding and, you know, and he's not the hot young thing. And Bear Grills has got a lovely smile and he's kind of handsome. Yeah, you're like, is he going to have a romantic connection with one of these actresses he takes on the journey? Right. The whole being hot thing. I mean, you know, it's a strange thing because, like, you know, I don't know. If you're like, if you're the best carpenter in the world, then there's a pretty strong chance that you're probably going to be working success.

and doing good work and, you know, sometimes it's about the people that you know and all that kind of stuff. But if you are a highly, highly skilled carpenter, then you're probably going to be successful in our business. It's a little bit of that. But really, it's like, are you catching fire? Are you hot? You know, I'm sure Harry Stiles is a fine actor. He seems I really like his music. You know, he's kind of cool, happy, clapy music to listen to.

but he's getting opportunities in the acting world that any actor his age would absolutely die to do. And they might have studied at college and there's a strong chance that they are much more capable of doing something in that role than Harry Stiles. And I don't begrudge him. Of course you take those jobs. That's how it works.

But apart me, it's just like, really? It's a very unfair business in that area. The artist in you being like, hey. A little bit. I get that. Do you find that true for you? Do you think it's warped to your brain in that direction? Well, I would definitely be more successful if I was six foot two. Is that something you think about? Like you're, but you're so successful. You're very successful. Yeah, but I'm not as successful as I should be or could be. You know, I mean, what makes you say that? Well, it's just true. It's just objectively true. I mean, I would rather work

300 days of the year, have a couple weeks off for Christmas, maybe have a summer holiday off, and work for the remaining 300 days of the year. I don't work 300 days the year. On a good year, I probably work 120 days of the year on a good year. And I'm not being, I didn't read any of those Harry's style scripts. I don't read Harry's style scripts. Right, right, right, right. I don't read Justin Timberlake scripts. He's my age. And he's a singer. You know, like, I, wouldn't, I would, I certainly wouldn't be, uh, cocky enough to be like, you know what? Let me go try some Justin Timberlake stuff. I'm going to put on a tuxedo and do some singing and dancing and see how I're doing that. I'm not a singer. That's his thing. Can we see you try?

But the, I mean, obviously Elvis did it back in the day and all these, all these singers have done it back in the day. But it's, it is bullsey to be like, well, I'm a successful singer. I'm going to just flow into this other industry and it's all about population. It's all about popularity, success, whatever. Like, I remember losing out roles because somebody had a huge, you know, box office weekend, you know, before. And they got the role, even though maybe I did a better job with the role in the room, whatever it is. But it's all, you know, calculated and it is a bit unfair.

Yeah, it's a little cynical. Well, yeah, it's completely unfair. But it is how it works. And it's like something, you have to have such a strong mind, you know, control of your mind to not go. there because a lot of it isn't personal. Some of it is. Some of it is. Sure.

But a lot of it isn't. Yeah. You know? It's the nature of the business, like you said. I mean, I remember back in the day, it was a long time ago now, I'm sure you can tell me, but you did that Magnum commercial, remember, in the truck? Yep. And at that point, you were kind of the hot girl in Hollywood, you know?

But it's true. I don't even know if that's necessarily true. But I knew Leah even back then. And I remember us, you know, in some way talking about that in passing. I was like, whatever. I can't remember, but I must have been like, obviously not that ice cream commercial with that girl. Oh, man, that's such an amazing.

And she's like, that's my friend. I was like, oh, really? You know that girl? She's like, yeah. I was like, oh, okay. Because she's kind of having this like moment. I love that the Magnum commercial is my moment. It was a really big campaign.

It's interesting. It was a fun commercial and it had a good director that we shot it in Thailand. It was a great experience, like, all around. Yeah, they were like, we couldn't block off PCH, so here's a strip of road in Thailand that can act as it. Yeah. It was an amazing experience. Yeah. I loved it. Yeah. I was like, let me do the stunts. Let me do the thing. It was, you know, it was really a fun thing. But it's funny that you bring that up, because I never even think about that. Oh, sure. For you, I'm sure it's different moments. But like, the other thing is, like, you know, of course we know that, like, in this business, you can't maintain

that run for an infinite amount of time. You know, Tom Cruise is doing a pretty good job at it. I mean. But he's reinvented himself and he's had moments where people like, no, I'm out with Tom Cruise. And then he does Maverick. And they does Maverick. And everyone's like, oh my God. But like, you know, like whatever, Jack Nicholson, you know,

or Robert Redford or Diane Keaton or Glenn Close. You ask the average 15, 16 year old who is obsessed with acting on the street, who's Jack Nicholson? He'd be like, well, Jack Nixon. You see one flow of the cooks and that? No. Right. You know, it phases out.

But I also think kids are, a lot of kids, not all, are chasing fame, not acting necessarily. You know, with all the social media and everything else that exists now. It's more like, I want to have 20 million followers or I want to. Which I actually think and tell me if you see where I'm going here, that aspect is almost better for young actors because you can get fame in so many other ways now that go ahead, go be famous, get your Instagram following through your social media and it's probably less competition for the actual actors, no? And the young ones, the young ones just getting into it, I mean. Yeah, maybe. I mean, I think there are, like, obviously, you know, there's like, at the moment at least, there's

like Leo and then there's everyone else. So if you're talking about male actors, not main actors, male actors, there's Leo. And then there's, you know, underneath him even, there's like Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt and all these kind of people. And like Leo's Instagram is clearly not him. And he has, I don't think he's like spoken out about it, but it's clear that it's like what represents him. He's into conservation.

He's into like, hey, here's my movie coming out. But he's not sat at home doing his thing. And I think he wants to make that clear of like, you know, This is a tool that comes along with it. I'm a legit movie star, and we don't do that. Tom Cruise doesn't do that. His staff does that for him. Does Tom Cruise have an Instagram?

He does. Tom Cruise has a ridiculous Instagram. Does Brad Pitt have an Instagram? No. I don't think he does. He has a men skincare line now, apparently. Chris Hamsworth does and all these kind of people. Tom Cruise's recent post was he was strapped to the outside of a plane.

Of course he was. As one does. Amazing. And there's like a relatively close-up. kind of medium range shot of him. And he goes, see at the movies. And then the plane just goes, and just falls out the sky.

And you're like, well, that's movie star. He's on brand. He's on brand. So, yeah, the social media thing, the access thing, I don't know. I mean, like Cristiano Ronaldo, this iconic football player. Sorry, football. Yeah.

Football where you're from. He used to play for Manchester United. So obviously, I'm very inclined to him. Yes, of course. He has the most amount of followers on social media. Is that right? I know he's very popular. the world.

Over the Kardashians. You know soccer, aka football, is the most, like, diehard fan sport in the world. It's called the world's game. Oh, the World Cup, if you will. The World Cup. More than the Kardashians. More than the Kardashians. Yeah, he has more social media followers.

He has like 10,000 kids. Yeah, he does like quite a few kids. But what I like about that, if you simmer that down to its essence, is there are things about Rinaldo that we know that maybe you've. could be like, oh, I'm not crazy about the fact that he has 100 cars or that he's kind of a bit Europoppy or his hair's a bit weird or his clothing is a bit kind of garish. He's good looking. He's definitely.

You know who he is. Yeah. But at its base level, the reason why he has that power on social media is he's an exceptionally talented athlete. He's really, really good. It's for his craft. Yeah. He's great at that.

And that's it. That's how he leads with his front foot. The Kardashians thing, I just don't understand because you're like, well, really, like, what are you good at? Like, you're kind of hot, but that's a lot of plastic and got notorious based on slightly nefarious behavior. And then you've, I mean, I respect the fact that they turn it into a business. I have respect for that.

Yeah, a complete brand and business, yeah. But if you take those, would you say that Kim has more followers than the rest of her family or is it the younger one? I don't know if it's Kim or Kylie. I'm not sure. I'd have to look. I'm not sure. Maybe Kim or Kylie. I'm going to look. But if you put the three of those guys up next to each other, Ronaldo, Kim Kardashian and Kylie, I think probably just from a talent point of view, there's no question. Kim has 330 million. Okay. 330 million. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot of people.

Yeah, their posts. Kylie has 369 million. Okay. So, so she's got more. She has more. And I think they're how many? Does Rinaldo have? Supposed he makes like 800,000 a post. So that's crazy because we noticed when we went to Disneyland. It was like 600 million people occupancy. Like that's how many people had been through Disneyland. Yeah.

So that's almost half the amount of people that have been to Disneyland in the entire creation of Disney. Yeah, that's nuts. Yeah, it's a lot. Why am I spelling his name wrong? Cristiano, C-R-I-S-T. T-I-A-N-O. Yeah, there's another analogy. How do you feel doing your social media?

I kind of do like a... 482 million. Yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot. It's a lot. I do like a slightly adapted version of me is my social media account. It is me.

And there are things on there that do represent me. But I wouldn't expose people to all. of the elements of me. I never post anything about my nephew. I don't post anything about my family, nothing about girlfriends, uh, nothing about trips with friends or anything like that. So my, my Instagram is like jobs, poetry are things that I've seen that I think are beautiful. There's very rarely a selfie of me. It's never like, look at me today. I look great. Um, so I'm okay with it. I use it as a, as a tool. I think, you know, I've had people that work for me. sit me down saying you could get way more people on Instagram if you did this,

this and this. But it's just not really me. Yeah. Yeah. I struggle with that too. Yeah. It's hard. Just a bit tacky.

You know, my trainer every so often is like, why don't you fucking whatever, take your shelf and post it up on Instagram. I'm like, my family are going to see that. Is it Farhood? Farhoody every so often, yeah. So during COVID, I was training with Farhudi, pre-COVID. But then during COVID, when everything was shot and all the gyms were shut and stuff, and obviously Ryan's under his own level of pressure because of that, I said, you know,

I would really like to continue training. And Ryan said, that's great. Ryan's one of my oldest friends in L.A. And he said, but the thing is, if I drive to your house, it's 50 minutes. And then we train for an hour. And then it's 50 minutes home. So he's like, I would probably have to charge you for three sessions for one because of the travel time. Because, you know, he would have been training someone in that house.

But he said, I have a friend who lives in Silver Lake, who's a trainer, who could come and visit you. That's great. Yeah, it's great. So I train with my guy Stevie Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and then I train with Fairobi on a Wednesday or Friday. Oh, wow. That's something very serious for you, right? Like you're working out. Yeah, it's like a, it's probably more of a mental health thing than a physical health thing.

You know, on days where I'm not, like, physically active and sweating, I just don't feel quite as up about stuff, endorphin-wise and appetite-wise. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's also a social thing. I get a chance to see Ryan. I got a chance to see Stevie. I just, yeah, more than anything else, the thing that I've attached to that is on days where I don't work out, I just feel a little bit more humdrum than on days when I day.

Well, that's what they say. The biggest thing for mental health is move your body, right? Really, really. Well, one of, I don't want to say the biggest. But that's the biggest thing in my life for my mental health. How do you guys do it? Right now I just do these little yoga videos at home. Because like during the pandemic when we couldn't go anywhere and we were really safe,

I got into doing these little videos yoga with Adrian. Huge freaking fan of hers. Cool. And it keeps me going. Yeah, great. Love it. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's enough for me. Like 30 minutes of yoga a day and I'm good. I like to do more. But, you know. Yeah. I'm not a fan of yoga. We get into the debate all the time. Well, how come you've tried it? I try it. It's just not. I like Pilates is my preference.

If I'm doing something, that's been the one thing I found that I actually like. Right. You know? So for people that don't necessarily know the difference between Pilates and yoga, how would you define it? Well, Pilates, you, I like the Pilates where you actually use the machine, a reformer, or there's a Cadillac where you're actually on a machine doing things. There's Matt Pilates as well, which might be a little bit more. relatable to yoga. But it's just you feel like you're really doing things. Yeah.

But, you know, I respect yoga and I, especially from a mental standpoint. Yeah. It'd be weird if you didn't. Could you imagine like, fuck yoga for that practice. Yeah. Complete disrespect. This has been such an amazing conversation. Like we've really, I feel like, covered so much. And honestly, Dom, you were coming in, like, we've heard of you. She's met you for years and I feel like I know you, but I just couldn't wait to really get into it with you and learn more and we've always heard such amazing things. Oh, well, that's very sweet. It's the same for me too. Yeah, we all share a lovely friend and I've heard about you guys for years. It's good. I mean, everyone's got a podcast nowadays, right? Yeah, as do you, a very successful one.

Yeah. Who I saw it yesterday. Dom records in the same studio I do for the OC one and I heard you were next door and I came in and barged in on your podcast. Yeah, we had a hectic day yesterday because we had Kelly Marie Tran who I worked with on Star Wars in there and then coming in straight afterwards Rob Cordry. So then we're in that slightly like awkward position where... With a lot of flaming hot Cheetos around. I'm not sure what that was about. That was Kelly Marie's thing.

I'm a big fan. Oh, really. So she is to... We do this thing called Billy and Domit the World where we ask our guests to like bring in a food or beverage item that kind of has a story. So she brought in those. Oh, amazing. We brought them in for her.

But we were in that like slightly weird, not weird, but like hard to navigate thing where the next show needs to start but you also don't want to kick the previous guest down and then the next guest shows up and he wants to start and feel like, hey, okay, and you know, so. It's that awkward thing at a party. Like, when do I leave?

Are you enjoying doing the podcast? Yeah, I enjoy working with Billy in any aspects. Yeah, you get to work with one of your best friends. And you guys know, it's just, you know. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun and, you know, it's a fun medium to work in. You know, it's a bit of a schlep to get out there. It's deep, deep valley.

It's deep valley. And there's a few like businessy things where you just, you know, it becomes a little irksome. The ads is something that you guys do ads, right? Ad. Ads, commercial. I was like the ants. I thought you said ants again. Is a studio infested with am?

Yeah, the ads. It just like makes me like a little bit icky. We've made it really clear that like we only want to work with things that we use. Okay. That's amazing. So the things that we talk about, we actually have some experience with. But even the things that you have a little bit experience with, you feel a little bit of time. Part of it, right?

You have to sell it. Do you have life insurance? I know. You know what, though? Life insurance is really important. It's a business. It really is. And now we have a message from.

No. Yeah, but this has been so much fun. So we end every conversation with a game. Oh, cool. Mary Barry, one-night stand. Barry under the ground. Yeah, under the ground. We're going to give you people.

One night stand. Okay, great. Yeah, we're going to give you people. If you're comfortable. Yeah, let's do it. Well, is this something that you've thought of beforehand? Well, we think of people before, so we're not scrambling at the end. Okay.

So we came up with Amanda Safe Reed. You know who that is, right? Ava Mendez. Ava Mendez. And Christina Applegate. Great. So Mary, Barry, One Night's Den. All right.

So, Mary, Christina Applegate, because she's funny and cool and wise choice. I'm so red. I feel like they'd both be kind of fun. Wait, Ava Mendes is married to. Gosseling. Gossling. So Ava Mendes, just because she's just more objectively kind of smoking hot. Yeah, yeah.

I really don't want to bury Amanda C. Freed. I think she's kind of interesting as an actor. and I think she's fun, but I think her choice. Yeah. I totally feel solid about that. Yeah. Because like Eva Mendez, you're like, because I kind of got it, right? I got to go there at least one night.

And I for sure would marry Christina Applegate. Funny, intelligent, pretty cool. Great performer. She's had an interest in life. Yeah. She's obviously, you know, been through some stuff. She just seems outside of all of those challenges and stuff, She just seems to be kind of up and positive and cool about stuff.

Did you watch Dead to Me? Yeah. Did you watch Married with Children? I didn't quite get to America in time. Yeah, because it's like growing up here. Yeah. I got to this, I moved to the States in 2001. Oh, wow.

So at that point, I think Married of Children was off the air. Rear runs were going. Yeah, the reruns were going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I like him. I did like a press. day with him, the guy, Ed O'Neill, Ed O'Neill from a modern family now. Right.

But at the time, he was like the guy from marriage of children. So I did like a press day with him and Courtney Cox and someone else. I can't remember. And Ed and I just sat down for like a couple of hours and ended up really getting into a conversation about boxing because I guess he's like a big boxing fan. And I'm okay with boxing. I kind of am into it. But any opportunity to talk to someone about something that they're passionate about,

I'm like, all right, let's do this. Oh, awesome. And he went off. He went off for like a good, like, 45 minutes to an hour. And I really enjoyed his company. And I think modern family is kind of sweet. Oh, I love it. Yeah, it's great.

Yeah, it's a great show. You should go back and watch Married with Children because it's incredibly funny. Yeah, I bet. I'm not even kidding. Yeah. I wonder if it holds up. Of course it holds up. It's probably so inappropriate now, though.

That's what I mean. Yeah. It's definitely inappropriate. But we grew up on it, like my grandpa, we would say. sit down. We always, we always, like, you know, do callbacks from it. But Golden Girls is your all-time favorite sitcom? I love Golden Girls. Brilliant. Really well-written.

I'm a big, like, cozy friends person fall to sleep, too, you know? I know that's like, whatever. I couldn't say what my favorite is, could you? I would say for me, well, no, mine is a toss-up. I would say all-time favorite, cheers. Lovely show. Yeah. Cheers, Golden Girls, Friends. Or cheers Golden Girls married with children.

Yeah, I would say Friends isn't before that. What about you? Do you have? Favorite sitcom. I mean, it's probably out of England so you wouldn't know it. There's a sitcom called The Royal Family with an E at the end of Royal. About a working class family out of England that just sit around and watch TV. It's something like married and children. Probably that has a huge amount of kind of strong feelings for me with.

But in terms of the America ones, Probably Friends is my favorite American sitcom. Although, I mean, I love it. Don't get me wrong. I have read a few articles over the years where they're like, it's creaking a little bit with age in terms of the way that it approaches things like female beauty, male, handsomeness, homosexuality.

I think everything... It all eventually dates. Right, yeah. I think everyone was hoping. that friends would always be kind of cool and energy and stuff. And I still think it's amazing. And it does some really positive things about those things. There's a weird thing that goes on,

which doesn't quite feel like the correct kind of signature for friends where Joey and Chandler, who clearly love and care for each other on a deep level, have moments where they're like, oh, but we're not gay. And you're like, really? Why would those characters care about that that much? Right. You know? I think two guys that love each other and they hug.

Like you and Billy being roommates on that. Yeah. Like it doesn't bother me if people are like, oh, so you guys are together. I'm like, well, no, I love him, but we're not together. He's married. I would think Chandler and Joey genuinely would be like, well, no, we're both straight, but clearly we love each other. He's my guy.

Right. So I feel like the writers are like just slightly off with that idea for those carrots. Because outside of that, they seem cool and groovy. You know that if, let's say, Chandler and Joey took a road trip together and they checked in at a hotel and the hotel were like, sorry, there's only one room, they'd be like, all right, well, we'll just top and tail for a night. It's not a big deal. They're not triggered by, do they think we're gay, you know? Yeah. It feels dated.

Yeah, just slightly off. But like. What was the best nap ever? Was that with Ross and. Yeah. Ross and Joey. Ross and Joey. Yeah.

On the couch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. And they want to do it again. Yeah. I think my all-time favorite, I mean, that show is epic,

but I think my all-time favorite episode is the one where Joey plays the pyramid game. Oh, my God. A ghost. Yeah, he's hilarious. Joey, a lot of laugh-out-loud moments I find Joey, Phoebe. I mean, they all do. I'm just going to name the cast. And just, yeah, I just name every single one.

I'm like, the best moment. Yeah, they all have their moments. They do. They were all written for. great at different times. Coming towards the end of that show, I think Matt LeBlanc got the best writing because they were hoping to see the Joey spin-off. There was a season where Ross had the best writing. There was a season where Rachel and Ross obviously did some good stuff. Chandler, like season three, Chandler was popping up. I would argue that Courtney Cox is the one that

gets probably sideline the most because she's, unfortunately, funny when she wears the fat suit and when she's not wearing the fat suit, she's just a little neurotic and slightly annoying. She has moments, but she's not. I do love this, though. We have this debate and conversation a lot, Leah included. Yeah. And we always say, you know, flashback, Monica. Hilarious.

Favorite, right? But yeah, I feel like she probably gets the least, you know, punchy, laugh-out loud moments. She would, I think, if you sat on a long haul fly with any of the characters from friends, the one who could potentially annoy you the most would be Monica. Because she'd be like, oh, could I get a soda water bill? but could you not touch the rim of the glass and can you get lemon, but don't touch the lemon. I need a coffee, but can I get it in a paper?

We all have that friend, don't we? A little bit. I don't know. It just sounded like the thing to say. They just think they all seem really fun to hang out with, and I'm sure Monica would be too, but that level of neuroses that she has with the whole house needing to be spick and spank and cleaned and stuff.

She has the closet. Yeah, she does have the closet. Everyone has the closet. Yeah. It worked there. Yeah, my house is like, I get my house cleaned, like, whatever, every like two or three weeks by these lovely ladies who come in and they have all the, you know, they have all the chemicals that I don't have. So the house gets like really cleaned. I have to admit that for the next probably two days while it's smelling of crisp pine chemicals and all kind of spick and spank and spank, I don't love it.

I'm okay with it. I like my house to just start to feel lived in just a little bit. Yeah. My house is eternally Monica's closet. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I walked into a freshly clean house the other day, and I can feel the joy bubbling in my heart. Like when I smell that someone else did something, I'm like, oh, my, it's like.

That could be taken a few ways, Lou. You know what I mean. Right. So you'll have a spik and span all the time? No. I mean, I want it to be. She's really good at cleaning out. I like it.

Neat. I like it organized and neat. I have helped doing it. Like all the people on board are on board, you know, but when someone else comes in and cleans, joy. Yeah. Pure joy. I'm going to ask you, you guys a question.

Yeah. Because I ask this on my podcast as well, and we've yet to get an answer, but maybe your list is my other answer too. So, you know, I'm lucky enough that I have a relatively big wardrobe. It's not that big, but, you know, like I have, like, I've thrown away all the T-shirts. that don't fit, and I've thrown away all the t-shirts that I don't like. So now I have t-shirts that fit me just fine that I really like, and I'm like, well, why would I throw away something that

fits me fine and looks good, I think? So I'll just store it. So, but what happens is because, let's say, in my wardrobe, there's a hundred T-shirts, I'm not going to go through those 100 T-shirts any time soon. Right. So what I'm, there's a spider over there. So what I'm, what kind? What kind of? I can't see from this distance.

It does look like a jumping spider, but I'd have to get a little bit closer, but it's on the wall there. See, it's climbing up. Yeah, it is a jump of spider. I can tell by the way it's moving. Definitely a jump of spider. The way that they do that little staccato movement and stuff.

Those guys don't scare me. Yeah, they're cute. Yeah. So, you know, you get that like, you go to grab the T-shirt that you've not worn for six months And it has this like fusty kind of like it's been hanging in a wardrobe thing. And I'm thinking, how do I combat that? I don't want to be washing a hundred T-shirts every two weeks to make sure that at some point in six months time, the T-shirt that I pick.

Are they in a drawer or are they hanging up? Some of them are hanging up. Some of them are rolled up and put in like a tetrapack box with like, you know, those cedar planks? Yeah. Put those cedar planks in there. Because I'm off. I have an idea. Please, Olivia.

Yeah. Every time you take out a fresh shirt to wear. One that hasn't been sitting there for six months. You pull one from the six-month pile and throw it in the dirty clothes. So then whenever you're doing laundry, you're cycling. Okay. I was going to say, get like a lavender sachet. Did the whole?

No, because they feel, they're not fresh. They feel gross. They feel weird. Fusty. So you got to, yeah, your theory is to wash. Wash here and there. Yeah, but you don't have to do 100 at a time. It's like you'll be.

I would never do that, though. That's my thing. Well, my concern with that is if I did that, then put it back in a wardrobe of a hundred. How am I going to know which one is the fresh one that I watched and which one is not? Oh, because you need it, you need it organized. She's giving you a whole organization. You need it organized. But it needs to be in piles. Like, you know which ones you wear, right? And those need to be in one stack. And then the other ones have their own life. You take your shirt from your stack that you wear. You put. put it on, you pull one from the stack, you don't, boom, into the hamper. Okay, I like it. So then when it's, you just have one stack you live with. Okay. And each time you take one of those other ones in in the hamper,

and then you have the certain amount that go in the stack you wear. All right. I'll let you know how that goes. I went to pull a t-shirt today and I was like, oh, that's a rad t-shirt, I'm going to wear it. And then I got it close to me and I was like, that feels like it's just come straight from a thrift store. But I haven't, I washed it and I put it up on a hangar,

but it's been sat on a hanger for like nine months. Yeah, you can't have that. There you go. She has a system-free. I did the mothball thing. That didn't work because now everything smells of moth balls. You don't want to smell of mothballs. No, no, no.

That's like my grandmother's basement. I feel you on that. It's a strange one, right? I love that that's the question. You're like, I have a question that has not been able to be here. I asked it on my podcast and we've not got back any adequate answer. I feel like that's a pretty good solution. Yeah, that's good.

And on that note. And on that note, thank you for coming. It's so much for coming. It's so fun. We're going to do more of it in first. Yeah, let's do it. We got to get Leah on board. Yeah, I'll show you.

100%. Okay, so I could have spoken for five hours just about venomous animals alone and, like, showing pictures, like I said, the Dom, like, he's his own app, just like showing him different things around my house and asking if I should be scared or, well, I guess his whole thing is never to be scared. But I really could have talked him about it for a very long time. I have many questions. And I felt the same about the ayahuasca.

And you were terrified talking about all the venomous animals. Like Olivia was almost in a panic attack. Yeah. And I have a feeling other people will be too. Really? Rob, how do you feel about... You don't think? Venomous animals.

Certain animals. I don't... Like, we get spiders out of our house and put them outside. You don't kill them. I'm fine handling spiders. But if it was a black widow, I'm not. not I'm not touching that thing. Well, he was kind of like...

Well, what do you do then? Yeah, what do you do? Do you kill Black Widows instantly? If it's a danger to my family, I'm gonna kill it. What qualifies, like, what makes it a danger to your family? If they're venomous, like a... What did he say? It's a problem. How did he phrase?

Well, I may... I take a glass cup and put it over it. Does it have to be glass? Yeah. I never kill. I mean, I have a black widow. I'm not going to lie. But now after talking to Dom, I'm like,

No, I have killed. I have killed a black widow in my day. And we have brown widows as well. But after talking to Dom, I'm kind of like, well, I feel bad. I always feel bad killing anything. I mean, mosquitoes, not so much. I actually killed a mosquito this morning, smacked it against my windshield, and thought about this conversation and felt bad.

Oh, mosquito. I don't think you need to feel bad about. Well, I don't understand what they do to the circle of life. Like, where do they fit in and how do we benefit from them? Spread disease. Right. But I'm really curious. Like, why are they here? Other than to, like, take species out,

what is their purpose? Have you ever thought about this? I've thought about that with a lot of things. Apparently, they provide food for fish and other wildlife. They do? People feed on them. Oh, not people. Animals, things. Things feed on them.

Oh, so I noticed last night I did not know. I have bats, okay, in my backyard. That's actually good. I know. So, I guess they are food. But, like, they're not any, like, species only food, are they? No, but birds, fish, bats, insects, amphibians, reptiles, eat them. Well, anyway.

Apparently, they remove waste. Okay, so they have a purpose. Fine. Up north we had bats and we didn't have the mosquito problem. We moved back here, all mosquitoes. I'm like, we could use some bats. I'd rather bats than mosquitoes. Oh, for sure. I'm also a little worried about your party, Elliot's birthday party, like, do I have to be in full-on insect repellent? Oh, really? Is it like that? No, what you were saying it was like that at your house. But in my mind, I guess I always think it's like a night thing. Yeah. I'll be getting there at four. Oh, yeah, duh. It's getting close to night. I would wear a mosquito suit.

I've got on Amazon, there's this like mosquito net thing. Please. I'll send you. I would wear it. Happy birthday to our little Elliot, who is seven. He's seven. Today. He and Breyer are the same age for one month.

I know. I always think of that. It's cute. He's cute. He's really excited. Did he get presents this morning? No, we're saving him for when he's done with school. But I did get him this cool present that he gets to create his own comic book, which I'm really excited about.

Oh, that's fun. Oh, that's fun. Creating comic books. Yeah. Last night he told me some interesting stories that made me really sad. Oh, no. He said that he doesn't play with anyone at school. What?

And yeah, a group of second graders came up to him and said, we're tired of seeing you sit alone on the bench at recess and lunch. Do you want to play with us? And he said, let me think about it. And they came back and he said, they gave an actual speech. And they were like, you shouldn't be sitting by yourself. You need to be playing. You need to be doing this. And he still said, let me think about it. What's wrong with him? So, well, we said, what's going on there? And it was like bedtime at this point. And he goes, I don't feel comfortable playing kickball. I just don't know how to play well enough. And Jeff goes, that's it. Let's go outside. We're teaching you how to play kickball. How to be athletic. Yeah. So at 8 o'clock at night last night, me, Jeff and Elliot, Jeff Elliott and I, how's that word? Yeah. Played kickball. Where was Shep? Asleep. Oh. You went and played kickball?

We went and played kickball to teach him. So I'm hoping today on his birthday, he plays kickball. Did he get any better? He was getting it. Here's the thing. He didn't know how it worked. He was like, what's a home run? And Jeff's like, oh, my God, I failed you.

He's not good enough. He's not going to hit a home run. Not with that attitude, Rob. But he doesn't need to know a home run. He just needs, he can lay down a bunt. As long as he can run, it's all he needs to do. He needs just. to teach him about sports.

Aw, I hope he felt confident. I hope he felt confident going to school today. I know it made me want to cry. Oh my God, because he's like, I'll think about it. That's what was going on. He was like, I don't know how to do that. Yeah. Well, he does now.

He'll do it. He wants to play with friends. He'll do it. Well, he doesn't like that they kick the ball at each other. What are we going to do with? your son? Well, I think he's traumatized from his concussion. He's like, I'm scared if I fall and hit my head, I'm going to end up in the hospital again. So I think he's like legitimately traumatized from having a concussion. I don't know. I don't know either. We're keeping him in it though.

Yeah. Okay. You know? I mean, I don't, it's just, it's pretty funny. Yeah, keep practicing. I went to bed really mad last night. Why about kickball? No, after kickball put the kids to bed. And everybody's been talking about, and this is annoying, the bling ring, which is really upsetting and annoying. And I started watching it just to like get annoyed. It made me nauseous, sick and upset. Well, you, no wonder you were nauseous last night. Well, how do you feel about like everybody? Because everybody's texting us and calling us and being like, Our friend, like our friend, our mutual friend, Veronique, sent me clips.

And Olivia's in one of them from this, like, documentary, whatever it is on Netflix, which I won't watch. Like, I've never supported anything that's, you know, shed light on the bling ring. Like when Sophia Coppola did the movie, I was like, really? Well, it's just super personal, right? Because, like, they stole everything from me. Like, person, like my mom's, like, engagement ring,

aside from all the designer shit, you know? Did you pay for all that designer shit or was most of that gifted to you? Is that relevant, Rob? No, I'm just curious. No, I mean, some was gifted for sure. But also, like, the shoes, I wear a size 5, or I did before I had a kid. Who the hell can wear my shoes? Why are you stealing my shoes?

That's a very small percentage of people that can wear them. Did they calculate how much was stolen from you? It was, value-wise? Yeah, I think it was like over 200 grand. For sure. I never saw anything again, completely gone. I've said this before. One of the girls shit in one of my bathrooms,

which is way more violating than taking anything from me. But it's like such a different level of violation, all of it. And it keeps resurfacing. And I'm like, why? Why? Do you feel, yeah, do you feel like, the residual PTSD from it still, even, because you don't live there anymore in the same house. No, I definitely don't live in the same house, and I definitely have, like, crazy security now. And so, I mean, this is going to sound like I'm the biggest idiot in the world.

But when I was in between houses, like, bought a house that was being remodeled, I was renting a house, and that house was robbed. It wasn't the bling ring, but it was, I believe, operazzi related who, you know, whatever. And it was like a second wave of all of my, you nicer shit stolen. So it's like, so at this point in my life, I'm like, okay. Just can't have nice things. I can't, no, basically, I can't have anything. No, she has to have a security guard at her house.

Seriously. And I have to like, also I have learned a very, I guess it's valuable lesson of letting go of things, you know, especially material things because I, I have no other choice, but I have learned that to let go of those kinds of things. I have not been lucky in that area, but I definitely have like Fort Knox now, so at least that's improved. So don't even think about it. Don't even think about coming here, okay? But yeah, no, it sucks.

The documentary was gross on so many levels. Well, I have no desire to watch it. Well, just like even, I'm sorry, but like the way they make it sound like in the beginning, It's like, Los Angeles, if you've made it, you're over here in Beverly Hills. And if you haven't made it and you're a loser, you end up in the valley. Unless you're in Calabasas, then you're somebody basically is the message. And all these kids are being raised with this kind of narrative. And no wonder they thought they had to, you know, not these people, but I'm just saying in general,

it just points to the disgusting part of Los Angeles. Oh, it's everything wrong with this city. Yeah, they really leaned into that in that documentary. They really leaned into it. I watched a little bit of it. You did? Ugh. Not the tone that I really like.

But I mean, I think it was intentional. I think they were intentionally doing that because it speaks to why the Ling Ring crew was doing it. Yeah, but it's still gross. It's like they're like the halves and the have-n-neux. And it's like, first of all, yeah, that all exists in L.A. But there's also a lot of amazing people that have morals and values and care about things outside of property and prestige. I think we're way better off being raised in the Valley than if we had gone to like Beverly Hills High or like, you know what I mean?

I'm not saying that there aren't great people that went there or people. Shots fired. Yeah, but these people were raised in Valley. What? Yeah. What do you mean? They were raised in the valley. People lived in the valley?

Mm-hmm. Like the guy was from Granada Hills and then moved to Calabasas. So how are they talking shit? It's not them talking shit. They have a real estate agent that's like, hello. Oh, it's just like a documentary fluff piece. Yeah. Got it.

Where it's like trying to paint a picture of like, oh, these poor kids had no choice because this is how you are relevant in this town. You see these fancy cars driving. by and yeah. Yeah, it's like, and my mom drove a Honda. And it's like, yeah, that exists. So did mine. But you know what I mean?

It's all so disgusting. It honestly made me nauseous. I can't. I can't have anything to do with any of those shows or what I, I have a strong aversion. What would you do if you saw her? Which, who? Anyway, the girl who's, the girl who? I'd hand her a roll of toilet paper and say, Wish You Well.

I would take away a roll of toilet paper from her. Do you have a square to spare? Do you have a square to spare? I actually know that reference. You do. I do. Rob doesn't. It's called Seinfeld, Rob.

It is. Anyways. That was my girl who played Star in the Lost Boys. Really? In that episode? Star. Lady. Remember? I was obsessed with her.

My brother was obsessed with that movie. Oh, I was obsessed with that movie. Yeah, I don't know. It's conflicting, right? Like, they get all this attention from what they did, but like... You don't need to watch it. I'm watching it for you. Okay.

Yeah, we're watching it for you. Okay. It's really awful. It's not good. And the photo they use of Olivia. They didn't use a photo of me. There's like a video of us. Did you see it?

Yeah, I look fat and pale. That's what I can't even see about. No, you can't even see it. see you. It's from like the side. It was from my alcoholism. You can't even see that it's you though. It's like a side shot of you. All I see is like, oh, I used to have that bag.

Yeah. All I see is I needed to see the sun and take a nap and stop drinking. I remember that day going to the police department and having to like identify things. You did? With you. Rachel doesn't remember. Wait, what? What did we do?

That's what that footage is from. your house, Olivia? What? Someone robbed your house? Yeah. Huh? No. Wait, we went to the...

Have you ever been robbed? Rob? Hmm. Uh, yes. Really? How? New Year's Eve, like, three or four years ago,

someone broke into our garage and just, like, cleaned it out. Ooh. We were home, too, and I thought... I heard the garage open and was just, like, oh. Then I thought it was the neighbors or something. because we were in townhomes

and the garage was like lower level but disconnected from the house and then in the morning we went down garage was still open both of our trunks were open Natalie had a bunch of

electronics to be donated in the trunk of her car so they kind of they took a bunch of garbage but they took like a bunch of photography equipment of mine and

And a Sonos speaker that I've gotten. I was sitting in there. Shitty. Yep. Have you been robbed? I've had my car broken into. And taken? I've had my car stolen by someone I know.

And that's it, I think. I remember once we went to a party. this is back when we were in high school. And this guy was working for this family. And he was like, and we were bad kids. We were not great kids. And there he was like, take anything you want. So we like started taking stuff. And I remember taking this like velvet bag. And we like took a bunch of stuff from this man's house because the guy was like, just take stuff. And so we did. And we were stupid and young and not chill. We got a call the next day. And he was like, I need to come get all that stuff back. You took my boss's mom's ashes.

So you were in your own little blingring of your own. That's what it sounds like. That was Sophia. Oh, man. That's pretty rough. We gave it back, obviously. What if you didn't? I remember being like, oh, that- He still have that up on the- They're like, do you have that purple velvet bag? And we're like, no. And then he's like, It's my mom's boss's ashes inside and we're like, oh shit, yes, we have it. They're like, we smoked it.

We smoked her. Did you not open it? You didn't feel, was it? It had them heavy. We just, we were just like lame kids that filled the backpack with shit because he told us to. The other life Olivia has lived

is really mind-boggling. Mind-blowing. The stories, They'll come up. Stealing old lady's ashes. I mean. We did think about smoking some of them. Some of what?

The ashes. Putting a little ash in the... After you knew that it was ashes? I think we were saying that as a joke. We wouldn't have really smoked the guy's mom. Oh. Anyhow. On that note.

Well, guys... This has gone on long enough. It's almost as long as the bling ring robbed me because they did it five times. Five times. Yeah, how did that happen five times? I was out of the country. I don't know much about this.

I was out of the country. I don't either. It's just what I've heard. It was five times, like, over the course of one week? I don't know. I have no idea. I just know that they went into the house five different times. I couldn't tell you if it was the same night, a week, month.

I don't know. I spent a lot of time in Canada. You came home had they already realized there was a break. Reakin? Like you contacted by the cops? No, I'm trying to remember. I might have to ask Leah because Leah was living with me at the time. I have to remember if someone went to the house and called me

and was like, you know, I think someone did because I have some memory of someone being like, maybe it was my mom. You know, everything's missing except like it's really weird because all the TVs are still here. Like you've been robbed, but like

all the obvious things people rob, you know, and take, were still in the house. So they were like, all of your designer bags and shoes and clothing are gone. The valuable stuff. So it was weird, but like TV,

you know, all that kind of shit, you think it would be gone too. So, and like pot paraphernalia was gone. So it seemed like a little weird, you know? One thing too that I think is really annoying about the documentary is they make it, and I haven't finished watching the whole thing, but like they make it sound like,

Like, you know, celebrities are gifted, all of this stuff. And like, being someone that was by your side through the whole thing, like when you first bought your designer bag, when you made the money to buy these things, like, it's not like you were gifted all the things that were taken. You worked really hard for those things. And they were taken from you. Yeah, for sure. And the messaging is like, oh, it's so easy for celebrities. And it's kind of a bullshit messaging. You know what I always thought at the time when it was going down? I was like, sure. Paris Hilton, like these people. And then me. I'm like, why me? You know? Good style.

Well, but it was just like these huge, massive celebrities. I don't know if you know that. Shut up, Rob. But like these huge. But I'm serious, though, these like huge celebrities, like massive, right? Orlando Bloom. And then me. Yeah, and then me.

And I was like, this is not. No, I was serious. I would have done you if I was a... Yeah. At that point. Size five shoe, guys. That's all I have to say about that. Maybe one of them had a size five shoe.

Fucked up. I just want to know where it all went. I guess they must have sold it all. They sold it all? Do you know? Is it say in the documentary? I'm not there yet. I only watched the first episode.

I think in the first episode they say they'd sell it. And then they were like giving it to their friends, anything left over that they weren't able to sell it. So they would just give to friends. It's really fucked. Because the one guy said he was a stylist. That's what he lied to the other people's mom. Because they were like, where did you get all this stuff

and all these designer bags? And they were like, he's a stylist. So he just has this extra stuff. He's loaning us. So messed up. It's all coming back to me now. Can you sing that? no

I thought to what that was what I was thinking the song yeah let's sing it let's take it out it's all coming back

all all coming back to me now what what are you listening to what is that Rob's like doing other things are you watching movie trailers

mm-hmm What is it? Olivia's feeling it. Is this Celine? Who is this? Celine. When you touch me like this. Oh, coming back to me.

Who makes you guys feel that way? Rob, why are you crying? So my father-in-law, is staying with us, Jeff's dad. His wife just recently passed. His wife of 50 years, okay? We went to dinner the other night, and Leah came and met us, and she was saying goodbye, and she was like,

bye, Michael, so good to see you. I'll see you at Elliot's birthday. And he said, okay, great, I'll be here all week if you'd like to go to dinner. Kid on you, huh? You're off. Not me, I'm Leah. On Leah. What do you think of that?

My grandpa did that at my grandma's funeral. What? What? So who? Some young woman. I mean, she was of age. She was like some like 30-year-old. We're all like standing up greeting people when they came in to give their condolences.

And this relatively attractive person came in with someone that my grandpa knew. And he goes, you look exactly like my third wife. So is this something people do? Is this normal? Yeah, is this like a thing? How old is he? 74 maybe. Yeah, I mean that's checks out for 74-year-old.

No, Leah's 42, almost 43. Yeah. Okay, so maybe. So then Jeff texts her, are you my new mom? I mean, he straight up asked her out to dinner. And it wasn't ingest? No. I don't think so. No. No.

Baller. Leah's got this, like, effect on men where they all think they can have a chance. She's very good like that. Yeah. But Baller move on Michael's part, I have to say. I was like, oh, okay. I mean, at that point, he's getting old. He's getting old enough. He just doesn't give a fuck what he says or does.

He's got tats. I mean, come on. He got five tats since his. Wife passed. Five humongous times. My grandpa drove his car into the side of a bank accidentally. Wait, wait, what? What? Why am I obsessed with your grandpa now? He's since passed. Aw. Not from that.

No, not from that. He was like just the local bank. He was going to do something and clearly should not have been driving and accelerated into the side of the bank. So he opens the car and he goes, when did you guys put a drive-thru in? Same. Harold. Harold's the man. I love you. May he rest in peace.

Harold. He was a maniac. I really like him. I love it. Yeah, he's where I get most of my sarcasm from. Yeah, I can see that. It has to be hereditary, right? Oh, it is.

There's always like a good grandpa in there. You knew my pop-pop. Or nurture. Yep. Do I know your pop-pop? with Olivia. Yeah. I was his special one.

You were his special one. Olivia, he loved you. I know. My Pop-P's favorite joke was always, if we drive by a cemetery, people are dying to get in. You miss that man. He was the best. Loved Pop-pop. Grandpas are great.

Harold sounds wonderful. Pop-pop was Alfred. My favorite grandpa. Well, really, the only one I knew. William. Aw. Who? On that note.

Yeah. Farewell. Farewell to our grandfathers and our episode. I wish I had the Celine Dion song ready still. You fucked up, Rob. You fucked up, dude. Okay. Bye.

That was a hate gum podcast.