Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Dylan Sprouse on Rune Reading, Hungarian Food, and The Suite Life

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Dylan Sprouse [The Suite Life of Zack & Cody, After We Collided, Big Daddy] geeks out with Rachel and Olivia about food and snacks, mysticism, and rune-readings. They also discuss his upcoming film Beautiful Wedding, his recent real-life wedding in Hungary, and whether he thinks there will ever be a Suite Life remake.Broad Ideas is supported by Vegamour. For a limited time get 20% off your first subscription order by going to vegamour.com/ideas and using code IDEAS at check out.Broad Ideas is supported by IQBAR. Get 20% off all IQBAR products. Text IDEAS to 64000. Message and data rates may apply. See terms for details.Broad Ideas is supported by Thrive Market. Go to ThriveMarket.com/ideas for 30% off your first order, plus a free $60 gift.Broad Ideas is supported by Sundays for Dogs. Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to sundaysfordogs.com/IDEAS or use code IDEAS at checkout.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hax is back for its fifth and final season, and so is The Hacks podcast. Join the Hacks creators and showrunners, Lucia and Yellow, Paul W. Downs, and Jen Statsky as they unpack the Emmy-winning comedy series. On each episode, hear stories from the set, what goes on in the writer's room, and how these beloved characters close out their final season. Watch Hax streaming exclusively on HBO Max and listen to The Hacks podcast on HBO Max, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Broad Ideas.

Hello. Thank you for joining us today. Hi. Okay. Our guest this week, you guys, this was a really big deal, especially in my household. Oh, yeah.

We have Dylan Spouse, who is one of the Spouse twins, Cole and Dylan, but Dylan is with us today. I say this because my daughter recently, we watched all of the sweet life of Zelle. Mack and Cody and Sweet Life on Deck. Huge fans.

Great show. It's an amazing show. It really is. I agree. But that's not why he's here today. He's here today because his movie Beautiful Wedding is out. It's a beautiful movie. Beautiful.

It's a follow-up to a beautiful disaster. Anyways, we loved him so much. He also bought Girl Scout cookies from Breyer. Big points of him. Big points of him. Big points over here. Rob, you have not bought cookies yet, but we'll get to that. He bought like 35 boxes last year.

Yeah. I bought a lot last time. Yeah. But that doesn't count for this year. So if you could just... Okay. Let us get to... Wait, don't you have something to say about this before we get into it? Before we get started.

You got some explaining to do. Okay. So I was responsible for all of the cameras. focusing them, recording them, and whatnot. I did pretty good on most of them. However, when it came to me... Did you do pretty good or you just hit record and left them? No, that was only on my camera, in my defense.

Okay. That should say something about my character. I made sure Dylan and Olivia were pretty good. When it came to me, I got nervous because, like, Olivia and Dylan had already started talking, and I got nervous. I was like, oh my God, wait, we've started. I've got to get to my chair. so I didn't even focus on me because no one was in the chair to focus on because I was doing the cameras.

So I didn't even check it. So my footage is pretty much. Yeah. Rachel's very blurry, but I think... Very blurry. But maybe people will appreciate that. Wait, why would anyone appreciate that? I don't know. We found a little bit of a hack that hopefully will make it not so intolerable to watch. But this is just a warning.

But this explains why it is the way it is. Yeah. So let's get to it. I know you can't wait to see. Still sounds great. Awesome. And it's still fun. Let's get to Dylan. Sometimes when the work inside of Rachel's little brain, all these thoughts are swirling round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about children. Chicks and tampon string. We'll talk about boys that a need. Because people die. I don't box.

So he's just coming at you. But I trained for boxing for this movie for like, I was going to say, the first movie, like, that was one of the main things, right? Yeah, yeah. The first one was beautiful disaster. Yes. That was boxing. That was a lot of, like, underground fighting.

So it was kind of mixed martial arts. But during the training regimen of that, then he, you know, he's like, How did you train? And we talked for 15 minutes about that. You know what, though? How did you train? Where did you train? Trained in Bulgaria.

Oh, she did you shoot it in Bulgaria? We shot the first one in Bulgaria. You're like, no, I just went straight. Just chilling. No, yeah, we went to Bulgaria, which was a great experience. And all of the stunt coordinators and the trainers there were like legit Olympians, though. It's amazing. But I think they were like hazing me at one point.

because I had to do this move where they were like, all right, come in, charge you, and then wrap around his waist and try to throw him down. Right. Now, this guy was like an Olympian contender for judo. And he was a little bit shorter than me, but he's built like an ox.

So I go in, charge, and take him, and I've never interacted with a human being that felt more like a brick wall. Like I couldn't even budge this guy an inch. And I looked around, I was like, what is going on here? I was like, I was not used to this feeling. And he just started laughing. I think it was like a hazing thing because he was just so stoic.

He was able to root himself like he's gripping the earth with his toes. He's like, this is a gift I have. Yeah, well, that makes you an Olympian, I guess. That's what it takes. Yeah. Rachel, let's try it. Okay. Let's see if we can move you.

Oh, my God. Okay. Did you get into, did you get, we're just going to go into it. you get into watching boxing and stuff? I've always watched, I've watched, more MMA than I've watched boxing. Got it. Okay. I have so many friends who are interested in that stuff,

so I do tend to watch some of the bigger, like, title fights for boxing, but for MMA, I was always really into it. And I was partly because of the chicken wings. I mean, I really like chicken wings. What kind of chicken wings? Yeah. I mean, I don't really discriminate on chicken wings. You don't.

I will eat any chicken wing. you put in front of me. And I do tend to, like, I'll eat so much that I'll have, like, meat nightmares. Have you ever had those? The meat sweats? Yeah. But it's like, you get nightmares too. Well, no, it's a friend's reference.

Wait. Oh, friends reference. There you go. You don't know anything about that. I know. But you do tend to get nightmares, too, if you eat too many. Really? Yeah.

Wait, but do you think if that's like, I don't know. I need to check my ancestry again. Yeah. I was just about to ask you that because you said you'll eat. so much that you have weird dreams. Yeah. And I just did this genetic testing because my husband would always be like, why don't you stop when you're full?

And I'd be like, I don't get the signal. Really? Yeah. I'm like, I don't get a signal. Do you when you're full? Do you get the signal? Yeah, I do. I just forced my body into it.

Yeah. So I found out that it's a genetic thing that there was actually a mutation on that gene. No way. For satiation. No way. And I was like, I told you. Yeah. Dude, you could be a hell of a competitive eater.

You thought about doing a hot dog competition? I haven't thought about it. I could do like watermelon with hot dog. I don't know. I don't know. Who was it? I think it was someone was like, the meal's not over when I'm full. It's over when I hate myself.

And I was like, there you go. That's a good at one. I was a husky lad for a little bit there. And a buddy of mine named Mason, who had just recently worked with, again, was also a husky lad growing up, and he told me a trick. He's like, the trick is you put your fork down between each bite. Ooh, interesting.

And I said, no. No. Like, I don't do that. I'm not going to do that. Oh, my God. I also don't want to be bored. Yeah. Well, you were saying when you walked in that you, the testing that you realize your caffeine intake,

you are unstoppable. Yeah. ancestry, like, updated randomly, and I hadn't checked this for a very long time, but it has like a trait section now. And it'll tell you, you know, if you, like, think cilantro tastes like soap. You know, that's like 50% of people think it tastes like soap. No, I don't have the soap gene. I don't eat. Which is good because I like cilantro. Yeah, so do I. Same. You either like it or don't. Yeah, you either like it or hate it.

Maybe. Based on your soap. Oh, my gosh. So, are you a soap? No, I'm not a soap. You're not a soap? I'm a sauntra. You're a soap? I'm not a soap. See? Look at it. Yes. But here's the thing. What about asparagus pee? Oh, yeah. That is also a trait. Correct? Does your pee smell? I am an asparagus urine, man. Did you know it's two different genes? Like, one is that your pee smells, and then there's another gene that you can smell it.

So you could be someone whose pee smells, but you don't have the gene to smell it. I'm afraid I have both. I do too. Yeah, I'm afraid I have both. I also just don't think asparagus is that good. I'm not an asparagus guy. You know, and I've had it every way. Okay, fair. I've had it every way.

It's not like, people are like, how soft is the asparagus you're eating? It's still just asparagus. It's not like it's just. It's so good. Yeah, but it's like it's one step removed from celery to me. And you don't like celery. I don't love celery. Aren't you happy to talk about these things is what we do?

Big food guy. Big food guy, too. That's all we talk. No, we'll get into it. Like, every, everything will be like, oh, that's cool. That's really interesting. So do you like hot sauce on your burritos? Yeah.

Do you like. Do I? You know what I'm obsessed with? What? Fly by Jing. What is that the heck? No. Is that a hot sauce?

It's a Sejuan chili crisp. And I put it on. Yeah. It's like a chili oil. I don't even really know the ingredients, honestly. I just know that it goes into my stomach in large amounts. Okay. But I put it on everything.

I love it. And I swear this is not an ad. No, but like the momofuku, like chili. Yeah. Is it similar to, you know what I'm talking about? I haven't had the momofuku one. But I can say that I do love Sajuan chili crisp in general. But this one's just really, this one's really tasty.

This is really good about this. Yeah. I really do. Like, this is all we really hear about. Yeah. These are the important. Snacks, dude. Yeah.

It's important to us. Oh, no. This is the snacks house. I told you. You know, I mean, clearly. Such a good house name. I'm going to put a snack house. I should have a sign, I feel like, out front.

Yeah, I remember when we, so we have a mutual best friend. And when I first met her, we were like, I don't know, 17 years old or something. She's like, I'm going to go to dinner or I went to dinner at my parents. And then I, whatever. And I was like, cool, what did you have? And she's like, spaghetti. And I'm like, was there a side? And she's like, peas.

I'm like, was there a salad? Was there like? Did you have like, was there bread? Like, I need to know about it. Yeah. And she was like, that was the weirdest question anyone's ever asked. You know what she'll do? She'll wait.

Like, if you're eating, she'll wait for you to take a bite and then she'll be like, how is it? How was that back there? Yeah. You feeling okay? Yeah. But do you do that? Like, if your wife went somewhere, would you be like, what'd you have? Talk all about it, yeah.

You will. You'll want to know all the things she has. All the things. Yeah, I want to know all the things. I'm quite a foodie in general. Although it's funny because my wife and I moved back out here, I want to say three years ago. And I went to college in New York. So all of my like adulthood food journey has been in New York, which has been kind of nice moving back here again despite growing up here because I'm rediscovering all of the food scene in L.A.

Yes. And I have to say I do visit Pasadena quite a bit. Really? For what? A lot of good, a lot of good food out here. What is the one that I, well, I should say maybe Pasadena is not the best way to describe it. Because I go even farther out. You go get all the Chinese food.

Oh, yeah, yeah, in Alhambra. Alhambra. You know, go to Monrovia. Yep. You will go east. Go through. Oh, yeah. Go through it.

Okay. There is a place called Games Workshop, which I really love. And they have this one in Monrovia. will do is we'll go to this place called Luscious Dumplings. Is that the Dumplings spot? It's like a Michelin-rated Dumplings spot that seats like 12 people. Wait, what's it called? How do you?

Luscious dumplings. Luscious dumplings. Like, who's guiding you? I found it out to a buddy of mine, Gulliver, who has an amazing. His name is Gulliver? That's the best name is ever. He travels and he finds you food. Yeah, except his travels are all restaurant-based.

That's amazing. He should have a show. He's very, he's very charismatic, too. We're pitching it. But he found it, and he's got quite taste for dumplings. Did he grow up in the valley? He did. I feel like I...

You know who it is? Yes. Goliver Oldman? Yeah. Yeah. Sure enough. Yeah, because when I was a nanny, yeah.

One of the girls I took care of had a big crush on Gulliver. Really? Yeah, so I used to like hang out and... No way. Yes, yes, yes. No way. This really is such a small world. I mean, we've discovered that we have a lot of the same.

same people. Well, when you grow up in the valley, it's like its own thing. I love the valley. Don't you love the valley? I do love the valley. Yeah. We would pop over to Malibu to, you know, with that same whole squad to surf and grow up over there. And I remember there was like kind anti-valley sentiment. A hundred percent. And I was like, you guys don't know what you're talking. You don't know what's up. And then they all had to move there eventually when they couldn't afford it. Yeah. But there was definitely like discrimination against area codes. 818 versus 3-1-8's no longer around. Did you know that?

They like canceled that area. Wait, they canceled her 8-1-8. She kept her 8-18. I still have my 8-18. I still have my 8-1-2. Good for you. See? Yes.

We're out here, man. You guys are represented. But I feel like that's why you're cool. It's because you grew up in the Valley. I'm serious. Because there is a vibe to people that grew up in the Valley that's just really you're relatable down the earth. It's not this kind of uppity vibe.

And especially if you grew up with all the Val-Surf kids and It's all the same, yeah. Yeah. I agree. I also like, I have this silly little anecdote I like to say about Californians in general because I think that Californians who were born and raised here have a very distinct perspective on California versus people who come to California looking for something. Which, by the way, like, I know some people would condemn them. Oh, man, everyone's looking for something out in California. I don't care.

California has always been a place. People have been looking for gold. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Everyone's like a gold miner out here. I think that Californians, though, who are born here are the people who like sold water to gold miners. They're the ones who are like, we're not going to find it. So we'll just sell you water as a business. I like it. Oh my God. And that's the vibe, I feel like. I love that perspective.

North Hollywood people have or Valley people have. I agree. That is such an amazing perspective. But it's true. Because we always say, like, when we meet other people, that grew up here, it is, we're our own kind. And there are all the people that move here for things. It's just like, oh, you don't get it.

It's why Christmas is nice because the road's really open. There's nobody here. Zoom down to Monrovia so fast. Everyone's down really good. Get downplace real quick. You're going to have to give us a list of the places we need to hit up. I'll send a whole list. Although I will say I'm building that list a little bit.

So I also love your guys's list too. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can exchange. Because I haven't been here again for like, you know, moved two years ago and travel back and forth a lot, but a lot of the food places I'm kind of rediscovering. Right. And where's your wife from?

She's from Hungary. Oh, wow. Yeah. So she cooks a lot and loves that, and I subsequently love it as well. But, you know, her living in California, she also doesn't know any food places really out in California. Right. So we're discovering them together, which is. It's so fun.

Yeah. What I want to know is you guys got married. Was it last year? Yeah, we got married in July of last year. Oh, so recently. Very recently. Oh, what? Congratulations.

Thank you very much. I need to know what food was at the wedding. Good question. Oh, good question. So this is, yeah, this was really great because, first off, I, we had a conversation where like, well, we know we need to have a wedding in Hungary for your family. And they very conveniently own a wedding bank in Hungary. Well, that works.

So we're like, well, let's do that. And we did. And so her family also is the chef team there as well. So they cook kind of a lot of traditional Hungarian food, which is delicious. And I will say just as tangential. I think they're like food laws in Hungary are just better because you could eat the heaviest food ever and lose weight. Like it's amazing. Yeah.

Because a lot of it's just farm to table. Right. Yeah. So my favorite dish that they make is actually what they would almost consider more of an appetizer, which is the stuff called fashirt, which is like a, it's like a meatball except it's dried, right? So it's like a beef jerky dry? Not that dry. Okay.

I'm trying to get a real feel. It has the consistency of phalloc. Ah, okay. Right. So you take it up and throw it in. The problem is that if you have Fosheard, which you do in great amount, because it's so delicious. When you have Fashirch, everybody knows

because it's like the burpiest. The burp. I was just about to say you burp it. So what eventually happens is like 1 a.m. rolls around at the wedding party and like the place just smells fashiret, which is awesome when you've had quite a few polika shots. Oh, my God. But we had a lot of Fawshirt.

We had a lot of, they do a lot of fry there. They fry a lot of their stuff. They fry a lot of pork. So we had a lot of pork. They make great stews, ratatouis. Everything always opens with a soup, which is like a chicken noodle soup kind of. But it's like a thin noodle that is specific to Hungary. that I'm forgetting the name of.

Sorry, babe. And so we ate a lot of that. And, yeah, again, in great quantity. And, of course, wedding cake. That sounds like a very good time. Did you do one here, too? No, we did not do one here. So you just did one there, and you flew out all your people, or they flew out, whatever.

I don't have a super large family in general. So, like, I think the total count was, like, 15 Americans. Wow. And like 130 Hungarians. That sounds right. So they had it last. That is awesome. And it's just you and your brother or do you have other siblings?

It's just me and my brother. Okay. That's what I thought. Just in case I missed something. Yeah. We're aware of the brother. Although my dad just got remarried. And so now I have a younger stepbrother and a younger step sister.

No way. How old? 16 and 15. No way. Which is really cool. Which is like such cool ages in general because you can talk. to them like you talk to adults, but they still have the whimsy of kids. Yeah.

Which is like, it's very nice. That's sweet. The whimsy of kids. So do you have a good relationship with your parents? I do, yeah. You're still close to? I do, yeah. My father, I'm very close to.

He moved from Woodland Hills and now with his wife, Lindsay, my stepmom. They live over like in Malibu Canyon. Oh, nice. Yeah. That's nice. It was really nice. So you grew up in Woodland Hills. Grew up in Woodland Hills.

Grew up in Woody. Yeah. In Woody. That's right. You are a Valserfian. Yep. If you call it Woody. That's right.

You know, that's how you know. It was a, although, you know, like, it was definitely a different vibe there growing up that it is now. Because of like those malls. Those malls are intense. Massive malls. Tense, dude. Yeah. Huge.

I do like it. I just moved. two weeks ago from Woodland Hills to Studio City. No way. Yeah. And I'm kind of like, hmm. She's missing it. I'm missing it a little bit.

It feels, I'm missing Woody a little bit. It just feels a little bit more quaint and kind of removed from everything. Removed, I get. Quaint, I don't. But it is a little bit more quaint. It's more like families. It's not as. You feel it's a little L.A.

It's a little bit more L.A. Studio City, yeah, for sure. Yeah. For sure. Why we like that. Yeah, Woodland Hills, although there are parts of Woodland Hills that I feel like are very L.A. Really? Apparently, I could be completely wrong on this.

Yeah. But apparently it's like the only other place outside Los Angeles that is zoned for skyscrapers. What? Yeah. I did not know that. That's why the Warner Center buildings are big. That makes sense. Yeah.

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V-E-G-A-M-O-U-R-com slash ideas. Code ideas. I have to bring up one thing and you probably don't love talking about like Sweet Life or whatever. My daughter's nine, okay? So she's currently cycling through all of the shows.

Yeah. Sweet Life was her favorite. She's like, Mom, this is the best one. We got another one. You got another one. Yeah, you got another one. It must be hard. She really, like, I'm telling you,

because in the car this morning, I was like, honey, guess who's going to come over the house? She was like, what? It was really cute But the show was really cute Because I wound up watching all of these shows Of course But it was so awesome

And then you go Sweet Life on deck I mean it just kept going Back then it was cool Because like I think The sentiment behind making those shows Was always like all right Well we're making a kid's show But we have to make it enjoyable

For the whole family to watch too Yeah absolutely And so like the through lines For those shows was nice Because you had like parental perspective And you had You had all of the age perspective that's inside of it and you kind of related to everybody. And it was definitely a different way of making kids television, I think.

It was great. From there to now. Which has been great. But that's why I'm also like always so reluctant because we've gotten the question my brother and I many times about like, are you guys going to rehash or even if you're something like that? Of course. And my inclination is always like, no. Right. Right.

Because there's something very special about not only the way that it's shot as like a snapshot from that time period. But also like, I just don't think you can capture that same energy the same way as you could back then. Right. Just the industries change so much. Yeah. Life's really changed. Life's changed so much. Right.

Right. It's cool to go back and watch those movies. And I just, maybe I'm, maybe I'm just like an old. old man all on, but yeah, I'm like, I don't really, I don't really like remakes of stuff anyway. I know. I don't either. I'm like, let it be the magic that it was. It was like, let's move on and make more. Yeah. I'm sure you get asked the same time. I get out, yeah, about like the OC, people are always like, and then you're like, but if you do, do you want to see us as like grandparents? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a different thing. And

and I do feel there is a lot to just leaving it. To let it be what it was. So what was that like, I know that, you know, Rachel growing up, you know, as a woman in the public eye, I think it's very different for a guy. I agree. Yeah. Right. But I think that some of the things are the same. And I think that so much of what you've publicly talked about as far as like, you know, there was different things where your body would change or things you would deal with in that sense. And I think so much focuses on not focusing on that with women and girls and stuff. But like, nobody talks about guys in that.

Yeah. Nobody talks about what that must be like for a guy to have any of that. Or it's like not permitted in a way. Yeah. Yeah. I all, you know what I love to think about? I love to think about like old action movies. And I'm talking like back when leading men were in like the 40s.

And like 30s, 40s, 50s, like those kind of leading men, where they're like, the traditional, like, action guy was just a normal guy. You know what I mean? Like the shirt would be off and it would be no definition. Right. It would just be like just a big guy. Just like a dude. Dad bod, whatever. Yeah.

So awesome. Yeah. Charging and you like, thwap. Punch a bad guy in the face and it just be like nothing. Yeah. And I was like that. It's funny how far we've come in the other end where everyone's been. Marvel heroes.

I never, although my thing is, is like, I don't really have skin in the game. That's what I will say. I don't, I know what I like. And I know what I like feeling is I like, for example, with Beautiful Disaster, I was like, you go character to character. You're like, this character should probably be in great shape because he's an underground boxer. Right. And this gives me an opportunity to learn something that I don't tend to do, which is,

how to get in good shape like that and be a boxer and do MMA, which is part of the thing that I find enjoying or I find enjoyment on sets because is learning those skills and learning things like that. But then when that's over, I'm also going to eat really good. You know what I mean? I'm going to drink a glass of wine with my wife and we're going to have Burrese. And it's kind of like, so I feel like there has to be. Of course.

You know, like there, if my other thing is like, I don't envy, I don't envy the actors and actresses who have to stay in really, like, really tone shape all the time. Because that's essentially being an actor, actress and also being a AAA athlete. That's right. Right. It's not really hard. You're not, unless you're at the very top of the game, you're not really making money for both those professions, right? So it's a lot of your time taken during the day.

And it's a constant thought process, right? Eating to facilitate the gains of that way is really difficult. But I do find enjoyment out of it. I do find getting zen there was good. And I do think to your point, I think growing up boys were not scrutinized like girls were for that stuff

and in my opinion neither should be scrutinized right right so it was weird seeing that from the opposite end and seeing how much of that was happening and then you know kind of walking through that

and coming out the other end and not really having thought about it while at the same time seeing so many peers who is all they were thinking about. Right. And I do think, though, I am optimistic, though, that I think the industry has taken a good change

and I think the public perception behind that has been good to kind of do away with all that. And there's still a lot to go. But I do think that it's gotten better for sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely, I mean, you've obviously grown up.

Your whole life has been. in front of people. Because didn't you start when you were like an infant, right? Yeah, eight months old. Eight months old. I bet you remember those days. Yeah.

A diaper commercial was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Poup on Q. But... Yeah, dude, just had the shit on camera. Yeah, you know. You got started.

Really good at it, but... Like, that's what my love for hot wings came from. Yeah. Oh, I got this. Yeah. Oh, those related. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's true. you know, and I think, but it has taken a turn for sure. I think better just because, or at least it's behind closed doors more than people just being outright. Yeah. Mean or bullying. I agree. I also like there is a certain point at which like it is self-inflicted too, right?

Because like what you hear is like the industry is making this person do that. Well, yes. To a degree. but you're also engaging. So like, for example, I do you think that there's a way to be healthy and fit and feeling good at the same time as indulging in the things that you like

and not doing it like a AAA athlete. I think there's a way of doing that. So, I don't know. Balance. There's a good balance there to be had. Right. Can I eat burritos three times a day every day? Yes, I can.

I can too. And I want to all the time. I think she could go burrito for burrito to burrito with you. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, they used to call me burrito loo. But the thing is, is that, you know, it's like some of the things got so much attention, like you standing up for someone and not saying a fat joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like that was so newsworthy because people weren't, one, people weren't as sensitive back then. they didn't know that they shouldn't be saying these things. And they would write jokes or do things. But like how at your age at that point did you know to advocate for someone like that? Because I want to teach that to my children. Yeah, I think that I truthfully, I just don't think those jokes are funny in general. They're not. Which is just the truth.

Like you're actually just talking humor-wise. Right. It's just not funny. Funny. It's just like that's just. like that's just empirical. Right. It's just not funny.

So I, I, there was definitely that involved as well as the fact is like, they're not funny because it's actually just bullying. Right. Yeah. We're just mean. And I don't think that like that's funny either. So I mean, I'm sure that there's a ton of comics which would disagree with me. But I do think that like there's better way. is to make humor,

just pointing and laughing at someone. There's some comedians, they can do it and it's funny. Anything. Crowdware. They can do anything and it's funny. It's just their timing or delivery. But I mean, like going for that joke, I feel like is...

Being mean is just fucking being mean. And that's the thing is like with children. Oh, yeah. You know, both of us being moms, I'm like, one, sometimes I want to like hurt other children. when they're mean. I'm like, I cannot handle you being mean to my child. So I can't imagine what that must have also been like for your parents in the situation

where people had access to you guys in a wild, crazy way. How did they help you kind of have? Because you do seem really level. You're very grounded. You're very grounded. I honestly will contribute that. I will contribute that to be. being a twin.

Oh, really? Yeah. Do tell. Yeah. Well, because I think, like, part of the, like, idea of, like, the leveledness, I don't even know if that's a word. Yeah. Is, was because, like, in any experience, most of the people who experience this stuff, experienced it on their own.

And they were then getting advice from people who were outside their own perspective. not their siblings and also maybe their parents or they're older, right? So they really can't relate to the perspective that well. Whereas with my brother and I,

we're experiencing it at the exact same age at the exact same time and always have the perspective of each other to bounce off to ground that relationship and be like, that was weird, right?

Yeah, that was weird. Oh my God, yes. It's strange, right? Yeah, that was really strange. So that like kind of backboard. Right. Yeah. That's like that was really that was really helpful.

I also think so like my mother is not really in the picture for me. But my father is like an auto body mechanic out of Woodland Hills. Yes. So he's like and he like could not give two shits about the industry. We were driving ourselves to work as soon as we got our permits. So like it was like he was like just get out of here. be surfing and doing dent work. So that was also really grounding.

Of course, yeah. We still had to go home and do the dishes and the chores. Of course, yeah. Which, by the way, is like some people like, whoa, they want to make that sound extraordinary. I don't, I think that's ridiculous. It shouldn't be. I think that's ridiculous. Right, right, right.

No, we were just kids. You were being kids. On set and offset. Right. And so I think that that's, that was really important for that too. Yeah, I was going to say it must be, and you do seem really close with your dad, I would imagine. Because, you know, it is with the parental unit, like kind of how that is, is a huge part of it. Totally.

But even hearing as a twin that makes so much sense because you had that him to go through it with. And it's literally like, oh, same face, like same thing. Same face, same experience, same age all the time. Right. That is really. Yeah. Yeah. And I wonder.

I wonder if, you know, these people who we regard as like also child steroids, which I think it's like used and weirdly as a derogatory term in a lot of ways. But I wonder if they just had like a really close sibling if they would have the same experience. Which is obviously something that you can't really find out unless they do. What do you think of that though? Because like not going to lie, my son's eight years old. He comes to me and tells me he wants to act all the time. He wants to be a YouTuber Well, he wants, yeah, I saw that you got a degree in gaming, right?

Or like video game design or something like that? My dad is what I did go to college for. What? That's nuts. My dad, like, teaches that at USC, I think. Does it? Does it? Video game making?

He has. He has. Is he a program? We're kind of like twins. He's, we really are. Even though we don't share the same face. We share the same brain. We do share the same brain.

We have been best friends since forever. No way. That's awesome. we have that kind of like, was that weird? Was it, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you think about children getting into acting? I mean, it's funny because, you know, Barbara and I are getting to the point of like,

talking about potentially having children soon. Practicing. And the thought emerged. Yeah, practicing. We love to practice. The thought has kind of emerged. Well, what if a child asks this? this question.

And I don't know. I mean, like, see, I'm not one of the, I have only ever seen the benefits of doing what I did. Right. Awesome. Right. So, like, I'm not, like, I'm an optimistic guy about that. Like, it provided me such a beautiful life. Yeah.

Yeah. It provided me the opportunity to meet my wife. It provided me the opportunity to own a home, to go to college, to educate myself, to do. So, like, it is certainly a vehicle for that. I think that the other thing is, though, is that, like, there was, there always has been kind of a point. This is a little contentious, but there always has been a kind of point of pride in my brother and I, which were, like, we're not nepotism babies. Yeah. Which became, like, kind of a thing recently, right?

Is that we're like, we're like, we're like, we're like, Woody kids. Woody kids had a shot. And we're like, let's just be maniacs on screen. And it worked. But then there was the debate that like Barbar and I's children would be. They sure would. Right. So that would be.

And at some point, it's funny because I feel neither here nor there about like the nevathism debate. Like I actually, I don't care is really the truth. But, you know, that vehicle. if a child was like, hey, I want to do this, I mean, I guess as a parent, I would want to encourage them to follow any sort of whim that they have and explore it. Maybe they'd hate it. Right. Or maybe they love it.

And then I would help, but I don't know if I would like fast track them from the start. You know what I mean? Yeah. That would be, that would feel yucky to me. That's different. It is different. What I think is interesting is I think, and I don't know if it's because, because from my point, like my daughter's always performing, right?

She's in the musical school. Like, she wants to do it. And I'm like, oh, no. Like, my reaction is like, fuck no. Yeah. Right? And I'm wondering if that's because as a woman, I don't know. Like, I've seen, and I've, you know, I've been very blessed and I'm grateful.

Like, my road has been pretty good to me. Yeah. But I also know what it's like and the rejection and the this and the that. And I just seem, because you don't know. a kid yet. So I wonder if it'll change once you have like that being. The protective. Yeah. I don't know. You know, but I do wonder. Or maybe he's never been

rejected. Or you've never dealt with that. You've never felt that. What's that feel like? Don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think like rejection is like part of it. It is. Right. It has to be. Sure. That's the character building aspect. Yeah. Yeah.

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So I got it on my deal. shaking hands so that no one can rip me off. If they want to get something from me, they have to give up something. And I got this like eight years ago. And they're like, this will be gone in like two years.

No. Oh, no way. And I'm like, it's still really thriving. But I didn't get it with the intent for it to be gone. Right. Obviously, I got it because I liked the idea. But where does that come from? This. Or the runes.

The runes are like the first English alphabet. to put it roughly. But it hasn't. My mom have you pick a roon from the bag. Oh, she rune reads? Oh, yeah. Likewise. Really?

You do? Oh, you would get down with my mom. Yeah, I got to talk to you about it. Yeah. It's rare. Not many people do. For sure. Yeah.

I want to know how did that come about for you? Like, how did you find this path? What is it? Yeah, no, it was like 15 and I, this is strange, but I was 15. And we were reading. History has always been my favorite subject in school, because it was honestly the only thing I was actually good at. But we were reading through this textbook that was European history.

And it was talking about the, like Scandinavia in general, I was talking about the old gods. And the textbook was, I think, Christian or something. Because it made all of the gods names lowercase. And I remember like I was zoning out and obsessively like capitalizing all of the names going through the book. Which made me remember all of them when I got back home. And so I like did my own research. And then I was like, oh, this all kind of sounds kind of cool. And then I heard about ruin reading.

And I was like, I learned how to do that. So I got some runes. And I've just been doing it since I was like 15. And I really like it. What's ruin reading? It's like a form of divination. So it's like I know, I know. it's like its own text, right?

But what does that mean reading? What is reading? What do you mean? Can you teach me such thing? You're like, I can read. No, but I mean, what is that, like, what is the point? What are you reading? No, I'll give a, I'll give the rundown that I know.

Okay. Which is going to be very strange from sure people like viewing this. They'll be like, what the hell? We love strange things. So, like, think of it this way. that the first alphabet, the letters that we know, this is clearly an X, right? Well, it's also been an X for very, very long time. And before the alphabet was the alphabet that we know, in order to write it, you had to carve it,

which I think older people saw as kind of a sacred act, right? Because you're actually giving it a body. Got it. You're giving it a shape. And so people attributed a lot of different meanings to the certain shapes of each letter. So in the same way as like tarot cards. People divinate with tarot cards, right? People divinate with runes.

They carve each letter of the alphabet. They put them in a bag. You pick out some in the bag. And then the person reading, depending on the reader, they will then cast them for you onto a sheet. and then they will read and divinate your future based on the letters that they pick out. My mom's never done that to you? Never!

I wish we knew you did that. You could have done that for us today. It would have been cool. It would have been pretty cool. Although I'm a little bit of a mystic when it comes to it, though. Oh, it's like private? No, no, it's not like private. It's just that I'm like mystic in the form that I like,

I do find, this sounds terrible. I do find that, Castings are best when, like, the veil is lowered a little bit with, like, wine. You're like, I get wasted and I read them. And then you cast. And oftentimes they're like, because you're closer to some of the material. Because I don't drink. What do I do to get closer?

You don't have to. Okay. You don't have to. You're like I just have to. Because I am reading them. No, you don't have to. But that's so fascinating. So her mom is so into all of this stuff.

Like, this tattoo I have is a sigil. Cool. Yeah, that her mom taught me about and I got so into making my own sigils. Yeah. That it was like I tattooed it on my body at 30 years old. No way. I swear to God, all the things that I was focused on I have today because of it. See?

Why don't you explain what a sigil is? What's your sister? So I don't know. Doesn't matter. Like, I know the word. Here's how it was explained to me. Are you familiar with these things? I am familiar with sigils, but I think there's quite a lot of different sigils.

Yeah. So the way she said, it was like an old ancient magic tool where you take the first three letters of something that you want to call in. And then you make your own symbol with it. Can I see? Yeah. It looks like a basket. Oh, cool.

So it was just, I started writing it. You take the three letters. You can write it. I did an S, a J, and an A. And then you form it in any way you want. and it becomes almost like a family crest. It's like your symbol, your thing to focus on so that you can then cultivate and bring those things into your life.

No, I believe in that stuff. I think that's really cool. Like manifesting and stuff. Yeah. So with this ruins, am I saying that, right? Roons, yeah. Rooms, yeah. Readings.

Does your wife do it too? She does not. But she's interested in it. She's interested. And she's learned a little bit through my doing it with her. Mm-hmm. So, she's interesting. It is so cool.

Yeah, it's cool stuff. It's, uh, next time I'll bring, I'll bring my bag of ruins. Oh my gosh. I would love that. Yeah, please. And I'd also love to talk to your mom. Oh, no. Because that's probably, she's probably the only other person I know in California.

Are you serious? Yeah. Oh my God. It's not very common. Most people, if they want to, like, divinate, they'll read Tara. Right. My mom does that. She does that too.

Does Tara? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's so, because to me growing up with it, I'm like, yeah, no, it's like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty normalized.

Yeah, totally. But when you say that, I'm like, oh, I guess it is a thing. Roon's particularly a rare. Yeah. Because they're not very common. Yeah. And do you find that when you do them, they're accurate. Like if you do readings, do you do them for yourself?

I rarely do it with just myself because I don't, I find that you need another person to bounce energy off. Which is partly how Barbara has learned some of it because she helps me do run readings for myself. Oh, got it. do. But I think, like, accurate is different. Okay, let's say, how do I describe the, like, web of weird? This is like a concept that's like, it's pretty ancient. So imagine, like, at the start of your life, you're born and you're at the center of a spider web, right? And so there's a lot of strands going out from each direction. Now, you can travel down. any of these strands, think fate, but less permanent, right?

Like, you can jump from strand to strand, depending on the people that you associate with, the people that you love, who are your friends. And so that can be good or bad, right? Yes. You're traveling down the strands to get to that place. When you read Roons, I think you're communicating with that web. So you're talking to the different outcomes of what could, B, so you're not looking for like accuracy.

I get it. You're looking for guidance on what could help find maybe a strand that you're interested in being on. Or so you're not like trying to be. And it's not as finalist hero kind of is of noticed. It's not prediction. It's not prediction. It is predictive in that you are communicating with something that's outside of you. Like, for example, me as a reader, if people are doing, if I'm doing a run-reading,

I never know what the people are asking. I never ask. So it's not like you, you'd have a question in your mind. I don't, I'm just interpreting it and you are forming your own internally. Internally, which I think to me is more elegant than taro in a lot of ways. So I could talk about this stuff for 17 hours. You don't understand it's the most interesting. That and food, we're, that's it.

We're dialed. Are we best friends? Are we sold me? 100%. What the hell? No, but I do have a lot more questions on that. So in that, do you have a spiritual connection? I do. What do you buy into?

What are your belief system on that? I've considered myself a, like, pagan since I've been very young. You and my mom are actually soul-me. That's what's really happening. Got to talk. Got to talk to your mom. So I consider myself a pagan. Although, like, I think just truthfully with a lot of pagan movements, there's a lot of, like, distasteful shit that goes with it too, which I obviously don't buy into.

So finding, like, practice for me has been a very solitary journey. And I've met so many interesting other people who also consider themselves pagan, which I think is like, like one of a thousand terms you can use to describe that journey. Yeah. Yeah, because like if we're talking historically, a lot of that has been attributed to peoples as an other, right? So like they say like heathen, right? This was like people of the heath.

Right. Pagan was almost used as a derogatory term by the church. Right. There wasn't really. Like evil witches. Yeah, yeah. Like witchcraft and stuff. All of it has this kind of root.

in being, like, bad. While I find, like, most people I have met, barring some, have been very open-minded and very interesting in that way. If you think about it, like, if there's so many gods, then by nature, the movement's very inclusive. Right. Because it has to be. Yeah.

Because if there's so many different gods and goddesses, then there should by nature be room for everybody, I find kind of lovely. Yeah. So I would consider myself that, and I am spiritual for sure. But I don't think that it's like, I think unlike, let's say, religion where you would go to experience worship in an establishment like a church on Sunday. I think just by the way that you live your life wholly and fully you are giving service to the gods or your ancestors. or things of that sort,

which I do like quite a bit as well. I love it. Where does your wife fall with all this? My wife is not, I mean, she supports me and loves me. That's better. But I'm also like, that kind of stuff, I don't ever like push. Yeah.

If like yourselves, you asked me, I'd be like, this is what I like. Right. But you're never like putting it like, here, come here, let me tell you a story about pagans. It's like, it's just weird vibe in general to be like, yo. Yeah.

Really? That's weird. So I tend to keep it, I tend to keep it as private as I want to. Right. But obviously you talk about it and you're like, it's not like you're hiding it or what, you know what I mean? No, it's been such a part of my life for so long, which has helped guide me in a lot of ways. Yeah. So.

I think it's so cool. Yeah, it sounds to me, like to me the most comforting part of any relationship. And like, I'm fascinated with all of them and all the spiritual practices and everything for me. It's the ritual. And the communion was something other than humans. I agree. Whatever that means to anyone. So it's like it's all kind of saying the same thing in different languages.

And it's like wherever you gain your peace or your connection is a tool. And it sounds like you're drawn to those tools in your life. And that sounds very simple to me. Absolutely. I also do find it genuinely therapeutic to be able to be like, this is out of my hands. Yeah. Which I think just as a tool for human beings is really good. Now, I'm not saying being like going too far with that idea because I do think going too far with that is is also bad.

But to throw your hands up and be like, well, Maybe this is just out of my hands is a really helpful thing for a lot of people. Because I find that people who don't have that can be a bit narcissistic and egotistical. And also hard on themselves because they're like, I'm like. So hard. Well, everyone, yeah. Yeah, they just like they feel like they, it's all their fault and it's all their responsibility that something didn't happen right. Or they weren't planning ahead.

It's all ego. Relax. Yeah. It really is. Chill out. Yeah. Yeah. We went to a talk the other night, Gabby Bernstein.

She's amazing. And she said it so simply. She was just like, hey, I'm not saying, believe this. I'm totally paraphrasing. But she basically was like, why don't you just try turning it over to something else? And just see, just try to turn it over and ask for a little help. Whether it's from your loved ones who have passed, whether it's from spirit, the universe, angels, like, whatever you feel like asking for a little help or turning. it over and just see what happens. And my husband was like, God, I really need to try that every morning.

And I was like, right? Like, what if it is a little helpful to be like, you don't have to do it all on your own. There is some sort of something here to help. I couldn't agree more. I think it's a really, I think it's just a really healthy thing for human beings to be able to do. I think it's just, it's cathartic too. It's just so refreshing to like hear. everything you're saying, considering the amount you have, you know, been famous in the limelight, like all of that. But just to hear, it's beautiful. Like honestly, because you know, well, it's true, though, because you meet so many people and it can be so different. And, like, it's just very nice to experience. I appreciate it. I think it's probably the valley. It is. It is all about, clearly, clearly we get it.

No, but I do think there is something really important in what you're saying, too, is because I think a lot of times when people get into that industry or this industry in any way, shape or form, whether they know it or not, they're making that their higher power. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's what they're turning it over to and thinking has the power and all of this. So someone who's actually been living in this for so long that's like, I turn it over to something other is actually really an understanding. important message because, right?

Yeah. No. Like, it's hard not to think that the powers that be. No, but they're tools to navigate it all. I also think that like it's funny because like I've found now at least kind of to your guys's points about working in the industry that you're right. So many people like make the industry that higher power. And I think that can be unhealthy.

But I will say that like all the people. people I've seen really find a really good place in the industry for themselves. That's both gratifying and like financially viable and a lot of things. Also have like a ton of other interests that make them more interesting to people in the industry. Like you kind of have to not make it your full thing. Because if you do make the industry your full thing, weirdly people are like, you're one note. Right. But then you move away from it, which feels very antithetical to people who are like just trying to get into it or like, okay, I'm going to focus all my time and attention in this. But then you kind of, to be like, hey, you actually have to look outside of all of it for that to work. Right.

It sounds very messed up. But I do think that that's something that is like healthy and helpful too. I think it's worked for a lot of people. Yeah. And so I've tried to do that. I've just tried to focus on like, well, what is a life outside of the industry, first and foremost, which I can see that you're even doing here in this lovely home, right? Which is like, oh, I want to develop myself and that too. But first and foremost, this part. Right.

First and foremost, we just want to sell you a Girl Scout cookie. Which I will buy. Okay. Which I have no problem. Don't get it twisted. Yeah. It's our main goal here. But you know what?

You bring up a great point and it just hit me as you were saying that. I'm like, wait a minute, that's also in relationships. If we make that person our higher power or everything, all of a sudden, you're not interesting to that person. Yeah. Right? If you don't cultivate your loves and likes and interests outside of other human beings, your job, your profession, it kind of carries over into everything, doesn't it?

I agree. I agree fully. I agree fully. I mean, again, like, I think it also has to do is, like, I think you guys can, like, find interesting things together, too. Totally. I was never a hiking guy, Barbara and I started hiking. And I was like, this isn't so bad. Sure, my butt's sweaty, but this isn't as bad as I thought it's going to be.

So. How did you guys meet? We met at a Harper's Bazaar party in New York. and she cut me for the line on the red carpet, the step and repeat. She, like, hopped over the, like, velvet thingy. And I was like, what the hell? I was like, I don't care how pretty you are. You're not going to cut me.

She looks to me and I was wearing a red and white striped shirt. She goes, what are you, a hot dog vendor? No, she didn't. I love her. I love you. I actually think that's it for me. I love you. Oh my God.

So we... I know, it was pretty great. That's the best first exchange I think I've ever heard. And we kept kind of like that same party. It is a fun story, but... And I've told it before, but it is a little lengthy. So if you guys sit with me, I'll give you the full... Are you kidding?

A love story. Okay, so... She hopped over. Then we... She said the quip. And then we kind of like... chatted for a little bit on a step and repeat, and then we walked into the party and kind of went our separate ways,

but then found each other again, funny enough, by coincidence over at the bar, and we had a drink, and I started talking to her. And we were chatting, and she told me, like, where she's from,

and I told her where I'm from. And I was like, how long are you in New York? She's like, oh, I'm here for a minute. And then I was like, hey, I should probably go socialize with the other people that I know here. but wait for me by the door to say goodbye as a joke.

And she was like, sure, you know. So we both knew that was just horseship. But eventually left and I was thinking about her. And so I hit her up on Instagram and I was like, hey, it was so nice meeting you last night. And then she messages me back, hey, I'm still here by the door. Where are you? I love her so much. And I was like, that's hilarious.

And so we chatted and we kept talking and we did the kind of like initial stuff and I was like, hey, I know you're not in New York very long but if you'd like to grab a coffee or a beer or something, I'd love to take you out. And we'd been talking for like a few hours at that point and then she ghosted me for six months. What?

Okay. Now she gussed me for six months. mind you, at this time, both of us were in very different headspaces. So we were kind of like, it was one of those things that was okay. It's like, uh, whatever. So we went, but the weird thing was, is that after that, I had ended up meeting a ton of mutual friends that we had had. And one of them actually was like, hey, do you know Barbara?

And I was like, yes. And they were like, I really, I think you guys should hang out. And I was like, well, I tried. And she ghosted me. So no. And he was like, oh, that's so funny. That does actually sound like her. She's pretty scattering about that stuff.

But I do think that you guys should hang out. And I was like, okay, okay. But I wasn't like, I'm not going to chase. I feel like that's creepy. So anyway, after that, I went to go film a movie and I was filming it in China. Funny enough, I was in Beijing for something. six months. And I'd just gone out there to begin this six-month shoot in China, which was amazing tangentially. But my manager, Bonnie, came with me and we were for the first little bit. And she was

sitting in the car with me. And she goes, so you're going to be here for six months. Is there anything that you really, like, wanted to do before you left? And I mentioned like a few things. And then Barbara popped in my head. And I was like, you know what? You know what? That's funny. You know what's funny is that I really wish I took this girl on a date because I met a ton of her friends and she seemed really funny and fun. And I really wish that that actually happened. And Bonnie, who's very pragmatic, looked at me, she was like, well, look, look, you're here for six months. So don't even think about that right now. But she's like, but when you're back, don't be stubborn and just message her and hit her up.

and tell her you want to take her out. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ten minutes later. No. Barbara text me for the first time in six months after I had just mentioned. Said it. And I, and she's like, hey, I'm in New York. Are you here?

And I text her, if you're looking to start flirting with me, right now you pick the worst time, dude. I'm going to be in Beijing for. six months. Did you actually say on that? I did say that. You're looking to start flirting with me right now. I got to tell you. I got to tell you.

Terrible timing. And she's like, actually, it's not terrible timing. Funny enough. No. Because weirdly, I will be in Beijing shooting a campaign for something in two months. Uh-huh. And I was like, then I think we should talk for two months straight. And we did.

We really, we hit it off. We talked. We FaceTime. We did all this. And a week before she was supposed to come out, her campaign got moved. And she was like, hey, bad news. And I was like, don't tell me. Because I'm really looking forward to you coming out.

She was like, yeah, my campaign got moved. And I was like, well, how's this? I still really want to see you. I still think it would be lovely to see you. I think that we should kind of go out on a romantic limb and still spend this week together that we plan to spend with each other. And I would love to fly you out and put you up if you'd be interested in that. And she's like, I'd love to spend the week with you.

But I'm flying myself out and I'm putting myself up. I don't think I could love her more. Yeah, I know. We have been together for six years now. So that was it. Once you were together that week in Beijing. That was your girl. The rest was here.

I mean, it was done deal with the hot dog comment. I mean, that was for me. The hot dog vendor. Dude, that was so, it was so quick. I was like, and I don't get, I'm usually kind of a quippy guy. Yeah. But I was like, oh, oh, talking about. That's my favorite thing ever.

Nothing gets me more than like quick, quit and making fun of and talking shit. Just shot me. Just shot me through the heart. Maybe it's a valley thing. Wow, maybe it's a vali thing. Maybe she gets it. Yeah, she gets it. Yeah, she gets it.

We should probably talk about your movie a little bit. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So you had the first movie. Yes. Beautiful disaster. Beautiful disaster.

I feel like that just came out like not long ago. It did. This was the craziest back-to-back filming I've pretty much ever done. It wasn't fully back-to-back. But at the time that the first one was released, we had already shot the second. Wow. Which is like a... That's like unheard of.

Yeah. It was very unheard of. I was like, oh, that's a good sign. Yeah. And so, yeah, we shot beautiful disaster in Bulgaria. And now we shot beautiful. wedding, which is coming out on the 13th. We shot that in the Dominican Republic.

Oh. So, yeah, because it's... A bit of a weather change. A little bit different atmosphere. Yeah. But it's so much fun. It was fun. I love that movie.

It's a fun one. It's like a very... The second one and the first one... Well, the first one and the second one, I would say, could be different. They are different from each other in vibe. The second one's a lot more of a comedy, I think. There was a lot of moments. where I was like, I kept being surprised.

I'm like, oh. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like they're pushing it here. Yeah. Good ways. Yeah. Yeah.

Even like the special effect of like the steam coming out of your ears. I didn't even know what was going to happen when I watched it. I was like, what? Oh, you're like, I can do that. That's amazing. And the little cartoons they come up with it. Like, it was like, I was like, oh, this is funny. Yeah.

It's funny. Yeah. Roger Cumbullar director is he's got a, he's got a sense for humor in general. Cruel intentions? He did, yes. I mean, he did. Come on. Yeah, he's legit.

He, and he's got quite a sense for humor. So he's a very funny guy. So we've talked quite a bit about that. And when I read the second one, I was like, this seems like Rogers all over this. Yeah, it was great. So you had fun. It was a fun shoot.

It was also one of those experiences that's just like too good to pass up, right? Yeah. So you're filming with a bunch of people who are already my friends in a tropical location. The best. On the beach. I was like, let's do it. You're like, yeah, I'll do that.

And you get to do a bunch of fun shit and it's funny and also like, what is the word sexy? Sexy. You know? Sexy. Funny. Yeah. Sounds like it's like a little, it's like Barbara. It is.

Is that your favorite type of project, comedy or? You know, it's funny because it's definitely what I'm most comfortable with. But I think my favorite type of project is not like actually genre-based at all. It's just the project I know I'm going to enjoy doing on set. Because I don't really live for the finished product of anything, which is funny because sometimes I'll be interviewed and they're like, what do you think of the movie? And I'm like, I didn't see it. I did see this one.

But I live very much for the experience on set. And I knew that that experience would be very good. So I was full in and I had a great. Time. Kind of like this. Was. Like this. So was Barbara with you when you were filming?

She was not, but she visited. She visited during the best leg of the trip. Okay. And so she came out there, but we filmed it. It's crazy to me how fast things filmed out is. Right. Because when I grew up, I'm used to like three months long movie shoots. Yeah.

How long was it? Three weeks. Three weeks? Wow. No, I know. That's been a fan right now. It's like, yeah, it's five weeks long. shoot. I'm like, what?

Dude, it's wild. They just bang them out how it is. They bang them out. They bang them out. I asked if she was there because I, sometimes when you get, you know, you're shooting and you have like your people, right? And you guys are all in it together. Do you ever find it challenging to bring her into those situations or is it seamless? No, but what I do find challenging is not while she's there because while she's there, it's lovely and it's great.

But what I do find challenging is like making sure that there's a, enough time because long distance is hard anyway. Yeah. Making sure that there's enough time in the day for rehearsals and shooting and working out, doing all the things that are required of a movie, and then making sure I have enough time for her. For her and making sure everything's good and she's happy and she's taking care of it. That sometimes can be hard.

It is obviously not a fucking chore. Right. Yeah. But it, you know, I always want to make sure that there's enough time for that. She's the priority. She's my priority. So, like, what's hard is from the perspective of production. I'm like, hey, no, I literally need to take this call for 30 minutes.

I just want to face it. And they're like, well, how do we do that? Yeah. And I'm like, we'll find a way. I'll figure it out. So sometimes that can be tough, especially with time change. But while she's there, it's great. Right, right.

Yeah, it's just something that, you know, because it's just like you create this unique kind of experience and bond and whatever. But yeah, it is. It's not really like hard. No, it's not really hard. I imagine it's harder with kids, for sure. Yeah. That, imagine that's harder.

Just in general. In general, life is so hard with kids. That's probably tougher. The managing your time when you have a kid, I will say, is a hundred times different. Like, your partner, fine. You know, you make time, whatever. They understand. Kids don't understand.

Like my daughter, when I went back to work full time, she was three. It was the hardest thing I've ever done. I bet. Because you're, like, gone before they wake up. You're home and they're already asleep. And, like, your heart. Yeah, your heart breaks. Because, oh, you really want...

And that's such an age where it's just all you want to do is spend time with them, I'm sure. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, when you get there, you'll see. Yeah. Roger, funny enough, I was watching it, he's got three kids. And he brings a whole family everywhere he shoots.

He does? Yeah. They're little kids. No, no, they're like anywhere for... I think they're 18. to 14. Oh, wow. That's great.

Kind of down the line. See, I think that's why I needed more kids than my kid would have friends and come. A friend to play with. But now I'm like, well, I'm fuck. Well, now you need a twin. I need a twin. We really learned today is everyone needs a twin.

Everyone needs a twin. Everybody needs a twin. Because, but you know what it is? It's that it's exactly what we all need in life. We just need someone that understands what we're going through. Mm-hmm. As an absolute backboard. I mean, that's like, that's like the perfect understanding person, though, right?

Like, everyone has someone that understands your position, but like that's the case where they're literally experiencing the same things. Right. And sharing the same face and all of it. And all of it. Although you're older. Yes, I am. 15 minutes. I mean, that's a big, I feel like that's a big chunk.

It is a big chunk. I mean, think about that in mom time. Yeah. 15 extra minutes in the delivery room. Yeah. Yeah. That's a long one. That might as well have been the next day.

Yeah. Cole was like this on the way out. scraping the walls. That's amazing. Wow. You are incredible. I am just... Thank you.

Likewise. It's been so nice talking to you and meeting you. This has been lovely. I'm so happy. You feel that way. Truly. And like, it's just so funny because we just watched you guys as kids, of course. Little babies.

Little babies. But I laughed. I mean, I'm telling you. It's a fun one. You guys are funny. It's a reason it stays. You know what you're doing. We know what.

doing. Okay, wait, last thing. Do you have a favorite project that, if you could look back at your whole huge resume, is there one that sticks out the most? You know, I have a few. Okay, you could do say a few. Because like there's experience. My favorite one that I've made recently, I'll do that. Okay. Great. Um, is I just executive produced my first project, actually, with some very close friends of mine. And we made this movie called The Duel, which was, uh, I don't know how much I'm allowed to say. Got it. You can also let us know later and we can edit anything out.

Perfect. Yes. I do think it's my favorite finished product of made. Oh, that's great. You don't even pay attention to finished product. I know. And I live so much for the experience, which was also great. So that is one.

And that should be coming out in theaters this year, which is very exciting. That is. And so that was. We'll come back and talk about that. I'll be back. Yes. And I'll bring the rooms. A promise?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you got to bring. Your mom's got to be there too. Oh, yeah, my mom will be here. The Roons will be here. We're dialed. Yeah, we'll turn it down the lights. You can drink wine.

I'd love to me, Barbara. I mean, come on. Yeah, we'll bring her. She also really wants to see more of Pasadena too. She likes this area a lot. It's so nice. You don't feel like you're in L.A. Like, there's just, I mean, if you get, you know, once you move more towards family,

whatever kids. Yeah. I think that's the plan. We're looking, we're looking east. We're looking east on the highway. Not in general. So I definitely want to see. Yeah.

Well, hey, I'm your girl. You got any questions? I'm trading you my list of food. Yes. Yeah. We have all the things. And our producer, Rob, is a huge, mongous foodie. Let's go.

Yeah. You got them so dialed. Oh, my God. In all areas. It's crazy. We'll trade lists. Let's do it. Mario is not going to be as fun as we were.

He's pretty fun guys. But he's not as fun as it. Yeah. I mean, we didn't go boxing. Whatever. There's always time to go boxing. There's always time to go boxing. He would say any time of the day.

I would say, what time is it? Box it in time. It's boxing time. We saw the... What did? Maryweather? I know it's Mayweather. Mayweather and...

McGregor fight in Vegas. Like, 10 years ago? I don't know. Yeah. It was a big... It was very short. I was alive. It was cool.

Like, we were there. We wound up. up there like on a fluke. It was a really funny story, but yeah. I'm surprised you didn't train with the Goosins growing up in the Valley. Oh, do you know the goose? Yeah. What is it? Ten Goose boxing. Is that what it is? My brother-in-law is a world champion boxer. I trained at Simon Rees Taekwondo studio. Where's that? It was right next to Val Sur, funny enough. But now they shut it down during COVID. So we opened up a new studio, I think out here, actually. Really? Yeah. And it was funny because I trained with him for many years when I was very young.

And then I just shot a movie and it was an action movie. And he was the stunt coordinator. Oh, that's awesome. No way. Simon, it's so crazy to like have my Taekwondo master now being the stunt coordinator. And I saw him for the first time as an adult.

It was very fun. That's very cool. Yeah. Full circle. Full circle. Everyone knows. Yes. Don't think you so much.

You know what we need to do, Rob. A follow-up, a follow-up laundry conversation? Yes, that's right. Rachel, do you want to get in a mess? That's what, Rachel, people like it. Well, can we share some of those pictures you sent us? What? Sure, you can hold them up to the screen if you want.

Yeah. His sock game is so on point that it made me rethink my whole sock game. Because I thought having them matched and put in the drawer was enough. It's not enough, people. there's steps further that you can go and I want to share the picture so that people know this Do you want to know where I think the inspiration for that sock drawer came?

Absolutely. I think it was an episode of the Brady Bunch. Do you remember, was it Marcia has her sock drawer? Yeah. And they show it and it's like that. It is? I don't remember.

Oh my God. From like the 90s. No. The Brady bunch... You mean the movie? The TV show. That wasn't the 90s? The Brady Bunch is from like the 70s, Rob.

Seven. Okay. Well, from when I watched the Brady Bunch in the 90s... Did you actually think it was from the 90s? No, but I watched it on Nick at Night in the 90s. Oh, I wonder if I could find a picture of Marcia's Fox drawer. I loved to Nick at Night. I didn't...

I certainly didn't watch them in the 70s or the 80s. When you weren't born. I just wanted you guys. to know. Folding, laundry, whatever, you guys should look when I pack a suitcase. Now that is some folding and organizing that might blow your mind. Do you roll or do you fold? It depends on the suitcase and the amount of clothing and where I'm going. We'll get into that next time both of us travel because I have a strong suitcase pack too. I imagine you do. One of my favorite challenges is fitting everything into a carry-on. It's like,

And challenge, you know, an obstacle. Like, can I do it? Yeah, you do do that. I do do that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't do that. So I will tell you guys, yes, it's a challenge for me.

I always try to bring a carry on. I feel very proud. But this past Christmas, I checked a bag. I checked a bag coming back. And I felt so free. So free. I know. It's nice.

I'm so happy. Although the one disadvantage because I normally have my roly carry-on and then like your bag, right? Too much. Hold on. No. I just had a bag and I didn't have the roly to put the bag on. Oh. Shoulder. Yes. I hear that. Yes. Yeah, backpacks are tough in airports. It was not a backpack. It was a tote. I normally do. I will. I'm going to give a shout out and this is not. I'm not.

I'm not. And, you know, my Patagonia Black Hole backpack. Oh, yeah. Is the best travel bag I've ever had. It holds so much. It can be a backpack. It can be a bag. It's like a duff. Let me just tell you.

She loves that thing. It does come on wheels and I don't have that yet and I really want it. But they're expensive, so it's an investment. Anyway, that's my endorsement for traveling, the black hole, Patagonia, backpack. Packing questions. Both of you. Do you pass? enough socks and underwear for your whole stay there?

Or do you plan on laundry in between? I don't want to have to rely on laundry. Agreed. Even if there is laundry there, I'll pack enough for it. I mean, unless you're... Outfits, too? Yeah, unless you're going for over a week. That's what I'm talking about, like, 10 days.

No, but I can reuse socks because I don't have stinky feet. So, like, I can wear socks for, like, maybe two days. You know what I mean? Before I'm like, oh, I got to wash this just because... Yeah. What do you do? Same. Yeah. But underwear I have.

10 pairs of underwear, but like maybe five pairs of socks. Yep. Yep. Yep. How often do you wash your jeans though? Do you wash your jeans? I'll bring like two or three pairs of pants only. But do you wash your jeans? Because I know there's certain guys that would never wash their jeans.

It's like a thing. You're not supposed to wash them. They would put them outside to let them clean in the fresh air. What? Well, no. There was like a raw denim phase that works out. And you're not supposed to wash raw denim too much. You put them in the freezer instead because it'll kill any germs and smell.

In the freezer? Can I ask you guys something? Who has enough room in their freezer? Not only jeans, but this is another question. Let's say you're making something and they're like, you have to chill it, like a whole cookie sheet or like whatever. Who has that space in a freezer to do that, do you? You could if you clean it out. the same stuff in your freezer that's not used.

The shelves are small. But no, I don't buy raw denim, so I wash my jeans. I still will wear them a lot before washing them. What makes it raw denim? I think it's just the way it's made. The way it's made and the dye

if you wash it, it starts to wear the color out more, I think. I know what it looks like. I can picture it, but I'm just wondering if there's like certain, there's a science to it. Probably. It's riveting. Could you imagine Robin, like, just raw denim and, like, the boots and, like, that whole look?

No. Like, always? No. Rob always in raw denim. Just raw. Raw, robin. Raw, rob it. Just raw, rob it.

I don't like when my jeans get washed because you have to, like, break them in every time again. You know, they get a little stiff. Yeah. Don't you agree? Certain ones I need wash to wear and certain ones I don't want to wash. I know. If it has some stretch to it. Yeah.

Yeah. So you put them in the freezer? Rachel and I both have like a weird thing about jeans, jeans. And like a real strong, diehard affinity for Levi's. What I really love is vintage Levi's. And I love going to the flea markets and just fucking going to town. Yeah. You guys didn't answer how you feel about washing jeans though.

I don't love washing them. I do like three wares and then I'll wash. Depending on the jeans. Certain jeans, you need to wash because they need to fit a certain way. The ones I have on right now are washed, and they're the ones that don't need to be washed that often, and they're a little tight.

Yeah, I don't like that feeling. No. I do squats. Deep knee bends. Yep. Try it. In your room, in the morning you're doing squats. Yeah.

You should have seen Breyer saw me doing it in the kitchen the other day. She's like, Mom, you're doing it wrong. Oh, she knows how to do it? Yeah. Right? He's like, you don't go all the way down to the ground. I'm like, I'm breaking in my jeans. I remember growing up, my mom, I'd be like, mom, what are you doing?

She'd be like deep knee bins. Like to stretch them out. Yeah. My mom used to go to the grocery store when I was growing up in high heels. Do you understand how savage that is? It's so, Patricia. Never once in my entire life did I see her in a flat shoe. Never.

Now? still a little heel. If she puts on a tennis shoe, they're like, it's like, what is happening? Even in her flats, there's a bit of a wedge. She never ceases to amaze me. As a child, we'd go grocery shopping. I'm talking about pumps.

Yeah. Pumps. Her mom slept with fang Sinatra. Yeah, let's just, let's just be honest about that. My new hair is she's, look at guys. You know how we've been talking about vaguely, Seagamore. It's working. I've got a new growth. So sick. Okay. Sick. He was going rogue. Did your mom wear tennis shoes and flats growing up?

You know, I can picture my mom. Remember when Keds were really popular? So cute. So cute. She was so cute in her little Keds. Yeah. I have a memory of Keds. What about your mom? I have no idea. Did Jana Rock heels to the supermarket? No. I don't think I've ever seen my mom wear heels. She was a tennis shoes, gale. Yeah. My mom can rock a heel. My mom's savage. I'm telling you.

Yeah. She looks like she's ready for an Emmy at all time. Would she ever leave the house without makeup on? Never. Never. Never. Never once have I ever seen my mom leave the house without makeup on. I do think it is generational.

Because, like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, my mom will go, I don't have my makeup on. Never once have I seen it. My grandma was that way, but not my mom. Interesting. Yeah, it's different. Wob.

Do you remember a year ago, we like spoofed all the romantic comedies, right? When Elsa and Bree came on? Yes, because her movie was coming out and we were like, oh, let's do all the famous, whatever. That's fun. So, we did when Harry met Sally. Bridget Jones, love actually, say anything. So, of course, like, the infamous boombox scene, I tagged John Kusack in it a year ago.

And then just recently, he, like, hearted it. And I wrote to him and I was like, Dear God, I hope you watch the entire reel, not just the first part of it, which is us doing the scene from when Harry met Sally and me faking an orgasm. And I said, please tell me, You didn't think I just sent you me, a video of me faking an orgasm.

To which he laughed and said, send the whole video again. He thought that she thought he should see this. And he loved it. And he saw it and he was like, that's great. That's great. I'm dying. Wait, Rachel, can we just clip, Rob, can we just, clip that one part of her faking the orgasm and like let's send that to a bunch of random-ass people. That's hilarious guys.

And just be like, you should see this. Yeah. Let's post it again and just tag as many celebrities as we can in it. Yeah. Let's do it. hilarious guys. It's just like how I slide into guys' DM. I'm dying.

I'm dying. He thought she thought I should see this. Like, what was going through it? He probably was like, wow. I'll have what she's having. Then I just go down a wheelhouse of like, well, you know, I was big in like that romantic comedy space like in that time. So maybe she thought like I would appreciate because it is Rob Reiner and Rob Reiner

direct, you know what I mean? Oh, you think his head went that far. That's where I go. I go that far. You too. Yeah. Burnt toast. Burnt toast.

Okay. So anyways. That's our story. We're sticking to it. Do you guys want to do a question real quick? Sure. All right. How do I forgive my boyfriend for calling me unattractive?

A few months ago, my boyfriend brought up the fact that he's not as attracted to me as he thought. I guess this hurt my self-esteem a little bit at the time, but ultimately he seemed to have changed his mind and now says he thinks I'm gorgeous. I gave him some thought and decided I would try to move past it because he seemed very genuine and also values me for my personality. a lot, which I appreciate. It still does affect me a little bit, and I have doubts that he really has changed his mind suddenly. But I don't doubt that he loves me. I struggle a bit with low self-esteem sometimes, but ultimately, I think I'm decent looking.

Today, there was a new lady who came up to me at work and made a point that she thought I was very beautiful. I get compliments occasionally, and I don't think too much of them. But I ran into her later on in the shift, and she was very adamant that she thought I was so pretty. This made me feel really good about myself, but also saying, sad because I sincerely doubt my boyfriend sees me in this way. Attractiveness is subjective and I think there are certain people who are more drawn to my

appearance, but even then my boyfriend is the only person who has ever generally called me unattractive. I'm wondering if I deserve better. I know he loves me and I love him a lot. I feel like I can never fully heal myself, image, and self-confidence because I haven't completely gotten over what he said. He's very well-intentioned but struggles understanding communication sometimes. and it can be difficult to feel like my own needs are being met. Should I forgive him or do I deserve better? I want to forgive him and just be happy, but I don't know how that would work.

I don't know. That was really not nice of him. Mm-hmm. But that's usually like a projection or like something insecure in him, so he felt like he had to put her down. That's my first feeling on it. What do you think? Oh, I think he was just being honest.

I know. I've been through something like that. And it's like, what? Jeff told me I was an eight. And. What? Yeah. This was like way back.

And I was like, but I'm like your wife. Like I'm an eight to you. Like if I'm an eight, who the fuck is at 10? You know? And what do you say? So the years have come around and now he's like, you're the, you're 12 or whatever. But he was like, 10 is like unimaginable. And I'm like.

He's so like. That's what I'm saying. So I think that... I feel like Rob would do the same thing. You know? Just practically. I think that the guy was being practical with her. Like I, like, maybe a little bit...

Too practical? So that still, it definitely stayed with me. And even though he's like, you're my 10 now, inside I'm like, but I'm not. You know? I could be someone else as 10. Do you need to be as 10, I guess, is my question. Practically back to you.

So here's the thing. I feel like there was certain people to them, I would be their 10 and that feels good. I did not like the way it felt to be an 8 to him. Yeah. I guess like, it's tough because that's a rough thing to say. Would you ever say that? No, I don't think I would ever say that.

I know better than to say that. Right. But if he would also make him seem shallow if he's like, you're the hottest girl I've ever met and that's why I'm dating you. Like, is that going to make you feel better? Totally. Okay, well.

One of my favorite memes I've seen was you're a 10, but you put up with my overthinking, so you're a 100? Yeah. I mean, I think that once someone says something like that, it's hard to unhear it. Yeah, like that. So the thing is, it's in your mind. Yeah.

But I also think that's a bad expectation to expect to be a 10 out of 10 for your partner. I don't expect that from Natalie, for Natalie to think I'm a 10 if she's judging me with the world. Yeah, I think I'm a little delusional. You know? You want, I will say, I think. You want your guy to think you're like. You want your guy to be like, you're so beautiful. You're the, you know.

And he does, guys. Oh, no, of course. Of course he does. I just mean to think that like you are the best thing in his eyes, right? Yeah, but he told me Heidi Klum was a tent. Yeah, Olivia, do you want him to like say that you and Heidi Klum are the same? To some people we might be. You know what I mean?

Like some guys might be like, I like them a little shorter. And I don't want those really long legs. You know? I don't think that ever. I mean, yeah, I think it's important that he's attracted. I think it's important. I'm going to remove this from you personally because I think it's getting a little touchy. Yeah, I don't think the fact that like you're, I don't think your partner has to think you're the like hottest, most attractive person in the world.

Well, no, that'd be unrealistic. That's what I'm saying. That's, I don't... Like, you don't think Jeff is the hottest man alive? Like, you're not... If you did, you'd be baffled that he's not on the cover of GQ magazine and doesn't win hottest man in the year every year? I think Jeff could fucking be on the cover of GQ magazine.

I do. But do you think he's the hottest man alive? Like... I think Brad Pitt's the hottest man alive. Mm-hmm. I think that if Jeff were, like, in that world, he'd get Hot Man of the Year or whatever.

Hot Man of the Year? I do. I think he's a very good... What is it called against on people? I think he's a very handsome man. Sexiest man alive? I don't know. Sexyest man alive?

Sexyest? I think so. Yeah. I think if he was like an actor or something like that, he could get like a cover of GQ. I think he's a handsome man. Let me ask you guys something.

But it's all so subjective. Even that is. In high school, you know how they do like the class best? Yeah. Like best looking. Yeah. At my school, they wouldn't say that, but you know what it was? What?

Sexiest. What? In high school? What? Swear to God. Did you get it? I'm not answering that question. It was like in the senior paper is where they did the best.

That is so insane. And I know. I just thought of that right now. I haven't thought about that since high school. But they wouldn't say best looking because they were like, that's, but sexy. That is so much worse. Unreal. Did you get sexiest? I'm not talking about this. She got fucking sexy. No, I did not. It's okay. I got prettiest size. According to Jeff, their hard eight. See, that's what I mean, though.

I'm not saying any of it affects anything, but it does stick with you. So when someone says to you that you're not attractive, like I remember this one girl in ninth grade that told me something that hurt my. feelings and it's always stayed with me. Of course. And it's still... She's like, you're only pretty because your eyes, if they were brown, you'd be average. And that is still like... Of course. We all have those things.

Yeah, I'm not defending that he said she's unattractive. I'm just trying to break down the practicalities of expectations on attraction in partners or what we think about that. Here's what mattered to me in that conversation, like the practicality of it. So one time I was getting my nails done and the guy was like, I know what the problem is with women in L.A. And I was like, what is it? And he's like, nobody knows their number. They try and date outside of their number. And you've got a bunch of sixes trying to date tens.

And what they should do is they should date a number below them so that they're the ones winning. Yeah. I don't love the whole scale thing because like we said before. The whole scale thing is garbage. But like we said before,

it's like what's attractive to someone is totally different to another person. Like someone's eight is someone else's 10. No, it's just like a whole package. But then when I asked him, I was like, well, what are you? He's like, I'm like a six. Was he?

No, no. My nail guy, Jeff. Well, that, okay, that should make you feel better, though. That's what I mean. Because he was like, say unicorn is a 10. If he gave you an eight and he gave himself a six, that just means he's on a different scale. Exactly.

But the only reason I brought that up is not because of the scale system. It's because when people say things that hurt us, they stick. And it's really hard to get past. Yes. There's so many things. here. I know. I'm like, let me list all the things. I don't know. What hurt you, Rob, that you've

never let go of? I remember someone was drawing a picture of me in Spanish class in high school and he said I had big old eyes. I'm just going to, your big old eyes and Drew. I thought you said bagel eyes. Bagel eyes, yeah. But what kind of

bagel? But what kind of bagel? Why did that bother you? But why did that bother you? He wasn't saying it in a nice way. Yeah. I have big eyes. I'm trying to think. Like, short legs.

I'm short. I got little legs. That's it. No, I'm kidding. One time, someone said I was short. And I am. One time I got voted sexiest person in my high school. Stop it.

Yeah. No, it's interesting, though. Those things do stick. And they seem to stick more than the positive, huh? Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Rachel, you got to give a. us an example before we leave? I did. Short legs. I have a complex. Where did that come from? Who said it? Multiple. But we're talking about... This isn't multiple choice. I choose multiple. We're talking about specific instances that have stuck with us. Yeah, like a guy who was like the most annoying guy I probably ever dated. But he liked to put me down because he was very insecure. This was like late teens.

So this is not anyone people might be thinking of. So you hear that, don't fish around and try to put this on Rachel's dating timeline. Yeah. It was before Rachel. It was before Rachel was Rachel Bilsen. Shut up. No, but it was like late teens. It doesn't care.

I mean, it's not anyone anyone. B-O-C. Nobody knows who this person is. Yeah, B-O-C. B-O-C. All right, well. So we all have. insecurities that...

Great. I feel great now, guys. No, but people need to know. Of course. They're not alone. Nope. Not alone. All right, do we need to... Before we leave, do we need to go around and say one nice thing about each other? Yeah. Rob has really... Rob is such an amazing gift giver.

What are you talking about? This is all just physical today. Oh. You have very pretty eyes, Rob. What color are they? I'm just kidding. Thanks. You do. You do. You have pretty eyes.

You know, Rob, you have a very cute laugh. Oh. That's not physical. Oh, God. Rob. You talk like a baby when you do this. Bob. You have a very cute face.

Yeah. No, you know what Rob has? Amazing calves. Those are some strong calves. Those are some peloton. Those are some Peloton cats. Those could crack a nut. All right, Rob, your turn.

Your turn. What, no. I think Olivia should go now. I went first. Are you guys? I know. You got to go. All right.

Olivia, you have very pretty eyes. Thank you. He did the same thing back that you did. I know. Well, but that's... I can't wait to hear this one. What is it, Rob? You've got a cute little button nose.

Oh, you do have a cute little button. And no. You have a flawless face. Oh, shit, girl. You have a flawless face. No. Okay, you have an abnormally disgustingly beautiful face. It's true.

It's gross. You know who had a gross face because it was so cute? Who? Dylan. Oh, my God. I love Dylan's face. We love your face, Dylan, and we love you. And his hair and his personality and his groundedness.

All of it. Love. He's a gem. Love. That's serious. Thanks, everybody. Bye. That was a headgum podcast.