Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Ellie Kemper on Jon Hamm, The Easter Bunny, and Raising Kids in Scary Times

Episode Date: July 10, 2023

Ellie Kemper [The Office, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Bridesmaids] talks with Rachel and Olivia about animal crackers, Jon Hamm, and having to explain crucifixion to her kids. They also share what they’re thankful for, parenting philosophies, and discuss how to let your kids handle disappointment.To hear more from Ellie, listen to her new podcast "Born To Love" from iHeartMedia and Big Money Players Network, available wherever you get your podcasts.Broad Ideas is supported by Talkspace. Get $80 off your first month at Talkspace.com/IDEAS. Broad Ideas is supported by HelloFresh. Go to HelloFresh.com/ideas50 and use code ideas50 for 50% off plus free shipping. Broad Ideas is supported by Magic Spoon. Go to magicspoon.com/IDEAS to grab a variety pack, and use code IDEAS at checkout to save five dollars off your order. Broad Ideas is supported by Blissy. Get better sleep now with Blissy and use code RACHEL to get an additional 30% off at blissy.com/RACHEL.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey, Rachel. Hey, Rob. Hey, Olivia. Hey, guys. Hi. Hey. Hey. I'm a big fan girl today.

I really, really love Ellie Kemper. I, when she came on to the office, which was the first thing that I familiarized myself with, I just loved her so much. She was so cute and so funny. And obviously she has done The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt Which was also hilarious.

Bridesmaids. I mean, bridesmaids. Come on. There's, that's a movie you can watch over and over again, refer to, pull things from, and it's just always, it's just, it's a good one.

Who doesn't love and appreciate pooping in a wedding dress in the street? I do. I do too. I actually reenacted that on Heart of Dixie in a wedding dress. I didn't actually shit. It's not.

I'm just reenacted it on a Friday night. There's a picture of me and I say the line. But I'm not. For the record, I was not actually pooping in the street. And she has a new podcast? Yep. Born to love. Born to love.

Let's get into it. Let's get into it. Sometimes when he starts to swirling, round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about. Dogs and kids and things, we'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys better need. Because people die. Well, let's just die.

I just want to dive into it because we're opening with podcasts. And Ellie, you're just launched. Yes. It's just launching. Born to love. Born to love, yes. Thank you for mentioning it. Oh, my gosh.

It's my foray into the podcast world. And I'm excited and nervous. Right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's interesting because in like my limited experience doing podcast, you do expose some of yourselves.

Oh, yeah. Oh, a lot of yourself unintentionally, I can say. Yes. But it's true. It's so true. And even though obviously we can edit, it's not like live streaming out to people, it does put you in like, oh, right. You're in a much more, I guess, vulnerable place. But it's fun.

But I didn't, I don't think I recognize that. So it's an interesting place to be in. Yeah. Well, it's also because you don't have all of this stuff, you know, you don't have a whole set of people watching you. So you don't feel like you're sharing anything. You feel like you're just having a conversation. That's what it is.

Yeah. And then you're like, oh, oh, the world. The world. We're putting this out there. Oh, right for the world. That's exactly what it is. Because look, it's the three of us and we're talking right now. And so you think that you are, yes, in a Zoom.

even when I've had stuff played back to me to Rube recorded, I was like, oh, I think I thought I was just talking to Scott about that. So it's, I don't know. Yes. It's, yeah. No, it's exactly what it is. And I keep, you know, I keep, you're literally having, we're having a conversation. We're not going to get into this subject at all. But with a sex therapist and you say something and then it's like blasted everywhere and you're like, no.

Like I wasn't even. And you're like, why? I feel like I'm getting picked on all the time. And I'm like, this is not the only thing that I talk about. It's actually the most minor. But you know what? But that's what makes, you know, news, clickbait, whatever it is. Clickbait, yes.

And so that's what people will talk about. I know. I know. But it makes, yeah, it sort of puts you on edge for that reason. Right. A person on edge. Yeah. Or I feel more filtered at this point because I'm like, oh, you know, I'll say one thing.

And who know, you never know what's going to get picked up. I know. But yours at least, born to love. I mean, the premise. I think it's so cool. And I want to know how it came to be and like, what were you born to love that inspired this? So thank you for talking about it. So basically, yes, our podcast is called Born to Love.

It's co-hosted with my long time. I know you guys have been friends for a long time. It's my longtime friend, Scott Eckert. We met doing improv together in college. We've known each other 20 years. We used to do sketch and improv together all the time in New York. And we hadn't worked on something in a long time. And we thought, okay, well, we want to work on something together.

I live in New York. He lives in L.A. What's something we could do easily being cross-country? And a podcast is an obvious answer to that. So we wanted our show to be similar to yours in that it's, I mean, we didn't say, we want our show to be theirs. We wanted our show. Just like yours happened. We admit it.

We were like, we're going to copy their show. But sort of, but in the spirit of being uplifting, sort of buoyant, we wanted to make a show that was sort of light. And we did notice, what do people like talking about? They like talking about things they love. So that's a very, very simple, straightforward premise. I think our objective was like to give people a break. So I don't know when you're listening to the podcast, you know, if you're driving to work, if you're going for a run, whatever it is. But just a break, just a break. The world is stressful. Like, take a break and then listen to people, talk about things that make them happy. So, and do you know what's been a really, really interesting sort of perk

that I didn't anticipate is that we open every show talking about something that Scott or I loved that week. And it does make you stop, go over your week and think about what really brought you joy, which is, you know,

it sounds trite, sounds like what you would see on a coffee mug written, what brings joy. But it does force you to focus on sort of small things that, those small moments,

because those are the moments, I think, right? That sort of can lift you up, be grateful for. four or so in a really trite way that that's been nice but i find cliches and those kind of things they happen because they work and the truth and like gratitudeless you hear that so much but it's like sit down and do it for a year and tell me you're not starting to see the world different and experience the world different and like those forced moments of like i'm going to sit down and find what i find

joy in as trite as that might seem, it starts to rewire your neuro pathways and you start to look for more things that you love. You're exactly right. You just articulated that much better than I did, which is that it does rewire something in your brain. So your whole outlook shifts. And I do think that takes time because especially like, I don't know, when you're at a rut and you just feel, I don't know what your brain says to you, but like when you just start feeling like, it's the same sort of narrative in your head. And it does take a conscious, I think, effort to rewire that to, to like replay what's, or reframe, I guess, what's actually happening to get out of that.

Can we do it right now? Yeah. No, I'm serious. Can we all just share like what we loved about this week so far? This is great. Yeah. Um, yeah. I'm, let me think of what's today. Because you have to think about it. Today's Tuesday. Today's Tuesday. I have to go back the, oh, the week. Oh, okay. I have my answer. Let's do it. Yeah. I just thought of one very quickly. But this was the week. It was so crazy. It was the day that the wildfire smoke came to New York and within a matter of hours. It was apocalyptic. It was so freaky. It was such a bewildering experience. I mean, mean that. Like, it felt very, um, scary. Like, very, very scary. And so that, that's not what I

loved. But it was this piece of like, where am I? What I need? I felt like unmoored. I didn't know what was, you know, where I was in any of this. Like, like, all of us felt very, very bewildered by that. And that weekend happened to be, I don't know what happened. But it was like, Saturday came and it was like beyond glorious. The sun was shining. There was a beautiful breeze with all of stuff. And I I woke up and it was, again, I live in New York. It's a lot going on in New York. I felt like someone was unloading something at like 5 a.m. And at first I was annoyed.

It was just like very loud outside my window. Something on the street was happening. I didn't know what. Guys, it turned out what it was. I put all these pieces together in the morning at like 6 a.m. Or 6.30 when like the loudspeakers started, there was a race. There was a 10K. It was an all women's 10K run.

And it was, listen, we're all. I was up early anyway. My kids were up. The sun was shining. The loudspeaker was blasting. Had I not been up anyway, I may have been annoyed, but I was up. And it was just like, I looked outside my window and I feel like there were 10,000 women just like. Wow.

Like, ready to run. The loud unloading that I heard at 5 a.m. was the porta potties. They were like unloading the port of potties. And it was so life affirming and beautiful. and it was just like, well, there was not a man to be seen. It was a women's 10K. I don't know what it was.

And it was just so, like, reassuring after the sort of crazy events of the week and the, like, out-of-body experience, I think we all had. It was nice to have a moment of, okay, okay, okay, control what we can. Well, here's what we can control. We can control, like 10,000 women, get it. together to run a 10K, not me. I was just watching. But it was like, it just did that.

I know, I know, I know. I was like, well, but it was just a very, I used the word life affirming and I will again. It just felt like a very uplifting life-inverming event. And it was happening right outside my window. But it made me, I loved it. I loved it. I think that is so awesome.

Thank you. Yeah, you're just like like thousands of hype women out of your window just like ready to go. Oh, who wouldn't want to start their day that way? That's it. That's it. And I was like, oh, wait, I should I be, I should be doing something. It felt, you know when you watch people exercise, you're like, well, that kind of counts. Yeah, I did it. Well, they're doing that. So I feel like exhausted. Well, it's also to me when I hear that, I'm like, that's the exact point.

That every day is going to be different. Like, one day it can feel like absolute doom and gloom and the sky's caving in and it's dark and it's scary. And then guess what? You wake up the next day and the sun's out and all these women are taking to the streets and taking charge of their life. And you're like, oh, everyday changes. Like, yep. It's like those moments where you're like, oh, yeah, the tide will turn. Right.

Yeah. And that's so, like, we're living in, I know, again, everybody says this. I think it's true. None of us have been alive 100 years, but it does feel like this is an absurdly crazy time in the world. Right? Like on every level. Yeah.

How do you feel about that as a mom? Oh, I know. How do you? I mean, it's scary. How old are your kids? And boys, girls? I have two boys. I have a six-year-old and a three-year-old.

And you guys have... I have a four-year-old boy and a seven-year-old boy. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. So similar. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. She's eight and a half. Eight and a half. Yes. I mean, I'll be honest. Like, yeah. I feel scared. Yeah.

But and that's like to your point, it's like, okay, you have to trust that the next day is going to be different. And also selfishly, it does bring a bit of like, as any parent or caregiver knows, like seeing the world through their eyes is, you know, in their good moments can be like, you know, really joyful. Yes. It's also, it's scary. When they ask all the questions. So my, you know, my daughter does this thing where if she sees. something. She needs an explanation. Like, what are the reasons or why is this happening? Or, like, she was in a McDonald's bathroom yesterday and there was a woman, her and her friend were in there,

and there was a woman in the stall, you know, and she was there for a very long time. They ate their meal, whatever, they go back in. She's still in the stall. And I'm like, you know, we're like, oh my God, like, is this, is she alive? Is she alive? Anyway, you know, and then she, there were like a lot of bags with the woman and whatnot. I'm assuming maybe she was unhoused. But anyway, the girls wouldn't give it up all day. Why was she there? Why was she in the stall? What do you think happened? Why was she there for so long? You know, and there's all these questions. And a lot of the time, you can't answer them. You know? We're constantly coming up with things to try to fulfill this, you know, curiosity. And a lot of the times, I personally think I fail. Yes. Oh, I, I,

I, from an outside perspective, I'm sure that you do not. But yeah. For me personally, yes, that's it. It's like explaining things. It's like, you know, it's every little detail. And my brother and my sister-in-law had a baby yesterday. So I have a niece. And then so all these questions, like she saw the umbilical cord, like what was left of it.

And Breyer, my daughter is asking all these questions. And, you know, there's just a lot of questions. I know. The questions are endless. I have the answers to none of them. of them. Yeah. I wouldn't know. Like, did our, I feel that my parents and I have great parents, they're listening. I guarantee you. So they're great. And no, they are great. And I felt if I asked a question, the answer was given so confidently. And like I absolutely, I mean, believed it. And it seemed

to be like, I don't remember them ever feelings or acting, I should say, surprised by a question. They had to be. They had to be, right? They had to be. Had to be. They had to be. They had to be. They are like, I guess, the finest performers because I do feel like when my kids ask me a question, I'm like a deer in headlights. And I don't, I stumble. I'm like, right? All the time. Because they catch you off guard. Yeah.

They catch you when you absolutely don't expect it. Oh, yeah. And the question's out of, oh my God. Oh, yeah. It's out of nowhere. And it's. Oh, out of nowhere. I don't know the answers.

Every time. I have a video of my daughter at three years old across the table. were literally talking about crayons or whatever. And she was like, Mom, how are humans here if they didn't have grandparents or parents to make them, how did the first human get here? And she's three years old. And I was like, oh, boy. Oh, boy.

There's lots of ideas. Yeah. There's lots of it. We, this wasn't even at church. We were at a museum and there was a crucifix. And so I went straight into it, though. Did you? I went into it.

I mean, there was no, it was, it was bath time. James asked about like why he was on the cross. And I, I don't know why I felt like I just gave the full explanation that I know of, which is that, you know, Jesus was nailed to a cross. People used to be crucified back in. Yeah. It's so harsh when you say it, right? Oh.

Oh, that's just it. Yeah. And what you say, I don't know where everyone is on religion, but when you describe, I'm Catholic. And when I describe, I'm raising my kids, Catholic, when I tell about Easter, I mean, it sounds insane. Right. My son is in Catholic school too, and he'll come and he'll ask these questions.

And I'm like, right. And while I'm explaining to you, I understand this sounds intense. Like, it sounds intense. But as children, like, I feel like there's so much more adaptable. They really are. And that's the thing too, Rachel, like, as you were saying the thing about the bathroom, I love that she still has that curiosity and that our children aren't numb to these things. And they see something like that and go, what happened? And I hope that we all have actually a little bit more of that. Instead of just walking by and being like, well, just use another bathroom stall.

Right. Like, what happened? Like, what can we do? What is going on? Like, I feel like those questions should still survive in us. You're absolutely right. I mean, because in the other case, you are essentially jaded. And because it does take energy and attention to think of those things. Right, right. Yeah. But I love that your son didn't ask when you were at the museum and he saw it.

Right. He saved it for bath time. That's it. Right. Don't do it when it's relevant. Right. Catch me off guard. Oh, by the way, when I'm already, like, totally stressed, it's the end of the day, right?

It's the most, for me, the most stressful time of day. Bedtime, all of it. Yeah. Yeah. You know what's really cute is that I heard my son, I don't know if I told this. I think I told you this, Rachel, but my son, our friend was here, and they're the same age. They're both seven or eight. And my son comes out and he goes to his friend, Ivan, he goes, do you believe in God? And Ivan goes, no.

And Elliot's like, do you believe in Holy Water? And Ivan's like, no. And Elliot's like, well, I do because I was told that if I dip my hands in Holy Water and do the cross, the crucifix, that it'll take away my negative thinking. And Ivan's like, okay. And Elliot's like, and I did it. I used to hate PE. And I was so nervous and so scared every day to do PE.

and at Mass, I would do the Holy Water and the Cross, and now I love PE. It took away my negative thinking. And Ivan goes, well, that's cool. It could also be your thoughts convincing your body. And I just stayed out of it and watched these two seven-year-olds have this total, you know, philosophical discussion on belief. And I was like, this is so cool to witness them, like, navigating it and having their own thoughts and being okay with it.

Yep. Right. Anywho. I mean, that is extraordinary. And for you to be a witness to that. Because it's like, and also how smart are these two boys? Right. It's like really sophisticated, I feel.

It's also hard to not as a mom. Like, I wanted Elliot to feel safe and confident in his choice and not be talked out of it if it's what he believed. And I had to be like, take a back seat. Like, these kids got it. Like, I don't. need to intervene and like let him know one way's right one way like how do you do that like how do you sit there and let them form their own beliefs and not try and like manipulate it. Oh, I know. Right. Oh, that is so tricky. I recently decided I don't want to read any more

blogs or like, I guess, parenting advice from parents unless they have like grown children who seem well adjusted. Right. Right. Right. Because otherwise, we're all just guessing. Right. Right. I mean, and maybe those parents were guessing too, but whatever they did probably work. But that's just it. It's so hard.

I don't know if it's our, like, the parenting culture we're in now, but it does feel hard to sit back and let, like, they've got this and not be. Yeah. Because it's so much like control, right? Like, you want to be able to control everything and the environment they're in and what they're exposed to and how they're. feeling or thinking and you can't help, well, at least, I mean, for me, it's really hard to relinquish control when it comes to your kids because you're just so, you know, focused on

trying to make them the best human they can be. And it's a really challenging job because how many times you're like, oh, I totally fucked up. Like, I lied. And how many, like, you know, I'm like, oh. Oh, yeah. And, you know, whatever, I don't know who they is. They say, okay, you know, like, go easy on yourself.

Like, it's a hard job. But I, it's, first of all, it's, it's, it's, I'm not complaining. I'm just saying it is relentless. It is constant. You're never like not a parent. And the idea that like, I can't believe just anyone can have kids because it's like the idea that you're. Right.

With, you know, tool. It's such a minefield. And it's one thing, it's so funny. Or it's just interesting. Like when they're babies, they're babies. The main thing is, okay, how do I keep this baby fed and sleeping and clean? And then, I mean, and we all have like kids about the same age. I can't, like, once they're in high school, I don't even know.

Like, what are we going to do? I don't know. Beyond our control. Way beyond. Way beyond. And then they will want to rebel. That's terrifying. They have to.

It's written in them too. Yep. It's part of their development. Right. But to rebel. But also, I think, creating like a healthy space to openly talk about things and not be too, you know, this is just my personal opinion, but strict with certain things like, you know, sugar or whatever. Like, of course you're going to monitor it. But like, you know, some people that just take it away completely, I feel like can have the opposite effect. This is totally just my opinion. And I'm not shaming or judging. But I know. But I'm right. Rachel's sugar shaming. I know. I'm sugar shaming now. You should have shaken. At least it's not sex. So great. Have fun.

I know, right? But, like, I just think that... And, you know, I know sugar is not good. But... So good. It's so good. But, like, I just think... It's so good.

Yeah, it's so good. But when it's taken away completely. It's just an example of, like... Oh, totally. That whole thing. Yep. Do you think seeing a therapist or psychiatrist would be helpful? But you don't have the time to actually find one and meet with them or afford them?

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Hellofresh.com slash ideas 50. Hello Fresh, America's number one meal kit. I constantly have this discussion with my husband, which is that I have, again, it's like, who is they? I've read that, you know, your frontal lobe or whatever in your brain is not fully developed. Sometimes I hear it's like 18. Sometimes I hear it's like 35. I don't know.

But that your reasoning is not, your ability to reason is not fully formed for a while. Okay. So I'll take different tax. And sometimes I'll be like, okay, I'll try to explain to my six-year-old why something can't happen or why you have to stop watching TV or whatever it is. And then if that's not working, I do have to revert to just, it's that it's like you're turning into your own mom, but where you're just like, because I said so. Like, that's why I've run out of reasons. Because I said so. Yeah.

I tell my kid all the time, this is what I've started to do. I need you to trust me. That's good. Because the truth of the matter is, if it was up to me, I'd let you watch TV all day. It sounds fun. However, it's my job to take care of your brain. And the doctors and the scientists tell me that that's not good for your brain. So as your mom, it is my job to take care of you.

And I have to trust the experts on this. I like that. That's what I say. I love that. And that he can understand. I'm like, so you can be mad. I can be mad. I don't want to take away your iPad.

I don't want to take away the TV. Yep. It's hard for me to do. And it's hard for you to do, but it's my job. And you got to trust me as your mom. Yeah. And by the way, they respect that more when it's coming from someone else. Like, oh, yeah.

If it's a doctor or a scientist. I've noticed this recently has really resonated with my three-year-old. if their teacher is going to find out about it, or if their teacher says to do it, yeah, they do it. Right. So it's like whatever works. Yeah, whatever figure you can use. Yep.

And implant. And none of its lies. The science is out. They don't want you on that much screen or they don't want this much sugar in your body. Yep. I'm just, you know, a faithful messenger. I love that.

That's your new role. And then you're kind of a, united front against the scientists. Oh, these scientists. I know, I know, but we got to do what they say. Like, right? I really like that strategy. Yeah, I think that's smart, you know? And they'll always listen to someone else, even or if you could just have someone in your house to be like, hey, go tell my kid. You know? Yes. Then they'll listen. Yes. It's just not you. Right. That's it. I mean, I keep getting to this point where, and it is a question of picking your battles because you do. Like, you would be exhausted by, I mean, I've started now, who was it?

Somebody got in trouble for saying they didn't bathe their kids every night. I know if you're talking about bathing. Oh, yeah. I think it was Milakunis and Ashton Kitcher. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. And I completely understand that.

Me too. And I've come to, I for some reason, I had in my head because it's like part of more that it's part of a routine. It wasn't necessarily like cleaning them. It was about like keeping routine. Yeah. But guess what? It's like a lot less stressful if they don't take baths some nights for everyone. It's just like. Just get them into PJs and yeah. Yeah. And do you know, and everything's fine. And I realize so much of this is, I'm like, oh, in that, in those moments, I'm like, oh, this is about me. I wanted to have control over that situation. So if you do, like you said, Rachel, relinquished control. It's like, oh, okay. This is a net positive. Like, right.

You know, it actually is doing more good than harm. Right, right. Like, everything's always okay. You know what I mean? Because you can get so fixated on like, oh, this didn't happen or this needs to go this way. Or, you know, if she has her iPad today and we have to go on a plane, then she's not going to like use it. And like you're just, the freakouts, right? Yeah.

Just like the spirals because I mean, I can do that all the time. But it's about control. And you're like, oh, if I just surrender it and it's like, you know what? Everything's going to be okay. Yeah. They might be a little dirty. They're going to be okay. But it'll be fine.

In real time, seeing them go again from like baby to person. Yeah. And thinking, oh, I need to. Because that shift like, you know, I still, it's like wiping them. Like when they go to the other, like, I'm like, so I don't know when exactly. I just am in control of that situation still. And I'm like, well, what? Oh, yeah.

You know. And so it starts, you just become. you know, trained to do certain things for your baby. And then I can totally see like a failure to launch situation. Because if a parent just refuses or just doesn't let them become independent, you know, it's... I know. I think they... I just noticed this recently because my youngest has special needs.

So he's delayed, right? Four years old. We got him going on the potty this week. And it's like such a big deal. That's great. people would always say, like, they'll get there when they get there. You know, and I'd be like, well, how was that? He shows zero interest, you know?

Right. And then one day we pulled out the potty and he went. Yes. And I was like, what an example of they get there when they get there. And like, how can we let them show us when they're ready for things instead of us trying so hard. Right. To, you know what I mean? To control it.

And it's like, trust me, when they go to a party and you know, you're not there, he's going to want to wipe his butt. You know what I mean? Right. They're going to be ready. Or he's not. Or he's not. Or he's not.

And then we'll deal with that situation. And then he will be. Yes. Yep. We had, and I will always and forever blame the pandemic for this, even though I think it would have happened anyway. But we were like moving around during the pandemic. And I mean, just like, we were in St. Louis and we would like go to available houses

when they became available. And that sounds really weird. I'm like, are you want a ghost store or? I was like, we were just moving, moving around. We were in our BW bus. What are those? Anyway, no, we were like hunkering down in St. Louis where I grew up. And so, anyway, we moved around a few times because we wore out our welcome at some

places. And so my kids were like, you know, shifting actual bedrooms and stuff. So that's just it. Like, it became a thing where, like, very often we were just all in the same bed. Like, you know, Willie Wonka, whatever. And I was like, this has got to change. Like once, you know, the pandemic waned and things were getting back to normal. And it wasn't changing.

And then, just like you're talking about Olivia, one day, my son was like, I don't want to fall asleep with anyone. I need to fall asleep by myself. And I have to believe I've been waiting for this, for someone to say something at school to them. Because I feel like that's the only. Yeah. Just a little bit of mild, you know, benign shaming in school. Like from a classmate, right? Not nothing.

And so, you know, just like, oh, your mom falls asleep with you or something like that. That's all. I don't know if that happened or not. I'll never know. All I know is just, it was like that, though. Yeah. It just clicked. Yeah.

So all that to say, they'll do it when they're ready. They will. But I have the opposite effect where I'm, like, mad that something happened. I know. You know, like, so. she obviously got influenced at school and she won't kiss me. She's done. Oh yeah.

This has been going on for like this year, Olivia. Yeah. What? I did not know this? Yeah, she won't kiss me. She won't kiss her parents anymore. I know. I'm dead.

I'm sorry. I know. No, it's hard. She's so affectionate and so cuddly and always on me and hugging me and everything. She will not kiss anymore. It's heartbreaking. Have you asked? I mean, you can't take it if you asked to?

Yeah, but she's like, I don't. She's like, I don't know, I just don't want to. But I noticed that her friends that she's closest with that school won't kiss their parents. Right. That's a thing. So it's a thing. And I'm like, what the hell, man? Yeah.

You know? Heartbreaking. She still sleeps in bed with me. Like she can't be without me, like cuddle everything. I'm like, but the kissing, that's where she draws the line. Yep. That has to have been something. That was said, I completely agree.

Those things destroy me. I mean, those are. And I'm in the, I think, the Santa Claus, I think they're both on board for Santa Claus still. That, like, sort of. Which is also very confusing to me. Right. I know.

Well, here. It's hard. It's hard. At the breakfast table, or whenever it was, after school. And her friend was like, I don't believe in Santa. It's your parents. Dada, doing that whole thing.

No. I still believe she's like, mom. Pinky swear right now that Santa's real. You know? And I'm like, fuck. How do I handle it? all this because then you run into later in life like I lied to my child and she's going to call me out. Yeah. So I already thought, I crossed my toes under the table. So when I pinky promised,

my toes were crossed. So if I ever have to explain it. Yep. Yep. I'll say that you had your bases covered. I know it's so much. I mean, I had to cover my bases. But no, it was like this thing and you're like, they're going to find out that you lied to them. So I actually love, there's someone who told me this and they did this. They're like, because they knew their kid was going to be destroyed more that they were lied to for so long. And she said, well, I think a very long time ago, in history, Santa did exist. But when he passed on, he left it in the parents' hands.

Oh. Right? And I was like, who said this? A friend of yours? Or you read this in like a Santa's friend. Sorry, a relative. No, no, no. Like a Santa himself.

Yeah. Santa himself. Let me know. That's brilliant. Like, that's actually really, I mean, it's another lie, but like, it's also a story. And maybe is that. Yeah. Yep. You know, so you're not a lie.

Olivia's like, that's just another lie. You're snowballing. She's like, went to the lies end. I try really hard not to lie to my kids or anyone. It's like a thing. But with Santa, I mean, tooth fairy, all of it. Easter bunny. Oh, the Easter.

Okay. Well, I have met, okay. First, I want to know. You have met the Easter bunny. She's like, wait a minute. Yeah, I have some thoughts. Because it was, Easter was the more recent holiday. Yeah.

I found myself at a complete. Do you know what I said? And this is, I don't know what you, anyone will think of this. I find the Easter Bunny so very confusing. As I did as a kid, I do as an adult. I don't understand why this mythology exists. Santa Claus makes sense to me. He's a person.

He's a jolly fellow and he's, you know, spreading generosity. That's, I get it. and the Easter bunny is confusing because a large Easter bunny doesn't exist, right? Like we don't see them. Right. We see old men and we don't see. So I did just say, I was like, to be honest, James,

the Easter bunny is confusing to me because it is. And it's like we just never really got too into it. Because also it's, again, we're in an apartment building and it's like, how? What, he took the elevator. Like, it doesn't make any sense. Right. Right.

But it is such a. Like both Santa and these, it's a, there have to be parents who don't acknowledge Santa, right? Who celebrate Christmas, but they acknowledge, right? I mean, I would imagine. I would imagine. And that feels wrong. I don't know. I'm just kidding.

I'm shaming everybody. I'm shaming that non-Sanhas because it's like. I know. It's so hard. The best feeling in the world is a kid. I can't rob them of that. No. Do you remember?

Like, I don't know if you grew up with like Santa. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was magical. It was magical and I remember when I figured it out I think I was seven years old and I had an older brother

and it just clicked one year. Oh. And it's such a bummer. Yeah. I, you know, I just want to hold on to it for as long as long. There's nothing better. There's nothing better. No.

And it's fun to like, frankly, it's fun for us. I mean, even though we're lying, it's like fun to hide the presence and to like reveal them and. Oh my God. Setting it all up. Yeah. There's not. What's more joyous and then like seeing your kids and the more, I mean, I wish no one

told me. I wish I still, you know. We should just resurrect Santa and make him, you know, you know, I mean, right? Now, now, Olivia, you when you say you don't, I mean, nobody likes lying to their kids. Do, are you very strict about that? I mean, I don't lie to my kids. Oh, let me be clear. What I mean. Like, is there something? Yeah, I try. Like, I will do my very best to find a truth answer. Because I feel like if we try, there's always a way. Yeah. To say it without lying. Yeah. I try. I know. I have a hard time. Well, Rachel and I

know. We really, we really talk about this a lot. We do. Trying not to lie. It's a thing, like a habit you try to break, right? Because you can so easily fall into the like the easiest answer and all of it. And, you know, I try. Like last night, I was going to lie to my daughter that I went and met my niece before her. I forgot to take my name tag off of my sweatshirt. So when I got home, she was like, where were you? Did you go to the hospital?

And at first I was like, well, no, the visiting hours were over and didn't get it, you know? And I started like just, and then I was like, I did. I did. You're going to take you tomorrow. I like that. And I told her that your big cousin's coming. And she was fine. But immediately just, yeah, she was.

It was fine. That's a lesson for me because you automatically go into panic mode like, oh, fuck. Like, you know what I mean? Busted. Name tag. I mean, amateur move. Honestly, yeah. It, not amateur move because you're, well, for me, it's often self-preservation because I don't want to deal with a tantrum and I don't want to deal with the emotions. That's a very good, I won't say a lesson, but that's a very good example because, yeah, kids can handle it. And by the way, they have to. That's my point.

Okay. Here's another example. Olivia, you'll appreciate this. So I've been very, we've been very protective of these girls who are all friends in her school. Like, one will go off and have a sleepover and you don't want the other one to know and da-da-da-da-da. And so one day, like, her friend just straight up lied and was like, I'm not having a sleepover with her and like pinkies, whatever. We got in the car and I was like, you know, I said something. And I'm like, they're having a sleepover together. And Breyer was so upset, cried, mad.

And I said, you feel your feelings. I totally understand it's disappointing. Everybody takes turns. You get a sleep over. They get a sleep over. But it's way more important to be honest. That's right. Instead of sparing feelings.

And just like in life, you're going to have to learn how to deal with this shit. That's it. That's it. So I was just straight up. And she was so upset. And it was hard to see, but also, you know. Then life is going to be like a, little rough. I mean, if that, you know, well, it's rough anyway, but right. That's a hard lesson

to learn as a parent. Yeah. Because you just want to protect them from everything. Always. But it's the opposite effect, right? Long term. And that's the way I look at it. I'm like, if I protect my kids from disappointment, I'm not teaching them how to use their vehicle. And when life really does get challenging as it will, because it does for every single human, if they don't have the tools to work through these things, they're going to suffer. And so the more I can just use each disappointment as an opportunity to just be like, hey, yeah, it hurts. Yeah. But I'm going to be here for you through that hurt.

And this is friendship and this is life and I've got you. And if we guard them from that, I feel like what we're doing is actually damaging. Right. Absolutely. And that's really hard to learn. It just goes against, again, I don't know if it's for me, I do recognize sometimes when I'm like, whatever, give them the lollipop so they don't cry. I mean, it's a very basic, very basic terms. And that's just to protect my sanity.

Yeah. Yeah. But then it is also in the long run. Yeah. You got to, oh, that's painful. It is the hardest job. Raising a human. It's like in an insane, it's an insane job description.

Oh my God. It is. It is. It absolutely is. Elliot and that same friend that he had his little religious conversation. Yeah. They got in their first fight and they've been best friends forever, but they got in their first fight because of an iPad game or something.

And he got off the iPad and he was crying hysterically. And he said, Ivan doesn't want to play with me anymore. And I was like, well, he's just having a feeling. He's just expressing his feeling. And then later he's like, my heart is broken. And he's like, my heart is actually broken. And I was like, oh, my God, I want to make this go away. Yeah.

And instead I was just like, I get it. And he's like, do you fight with your friends? And I said, of course. Of course. And he wanted me to tell him my last fight. What was it? I said, well, Rachel was being a dick about you. Get him on your side immediately.

Okay, first move. Yep, yep. No, but we talked about it. And then it became like a little bonding thing, you know? And I was like, you just want to put a straw in them and suck their feelings out and take them away, right? Yep, yep. Perfect way to put it.

That is. And like so many of us do. But then it's for what? like again long term. I don't know. I haven't had those conversations yet. I haven't had like, oh, I got into a fight. I've had like my feelings are hurt.

You know, somebody says something in the playground that it's sunny, blah, blah, blah. And it's so fascinating to see them react as people and not like they're not. I keep bringing up the baby piece of it, but that it's they're not babies. My friend said this once before I had kids and it made me laugh because she was like, the quote was this, which was, it's hard being a baby. And I was like, is it? You have everything done for you. She had just had a baby. As she was like, her point being that you're in control of nothing. You're completely dependent. And so it's like, as they become people, it's like, it has to be. So I understand where the tantrum's coming from because you control so little in your life. Like it's just you have none. And I think for so long, it's, or for a while, anyway in our culture. It's been the thought that like, yeah, you don't have control. Get with a program. Blah, blah, blah. And it's like, I don't know. I feel, I feel, I understand that frustration. Not that I'm brilliant, but I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. You can't control what

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Like in your career, I think it's the same thing, right? It's like you have so little control as an artist, as an actress, as a comedian, as a writer, all these things. But then there's the things you do have control over that you choose. Okay, I can put my attention here. And I feel like you've done a brilliant job of that as far as the trajectory of your career and what you've done. You're extremely gracious to say that. And I thought you were, when I was nodding enthusiasm, I also thought you met all of us. I was like, I speak baby and I am amazing.

No, I do. On behalf of all of us as an artist, it does feel like so. And that, that baby piece comes in all the time where you're like, baby wants control. Right. Because so much of it is out of America. That's why, that's another thing, not to bring it back to, you know, podcast. but being a host of your own show, being a writer, being a producer, like those things that are within your control do feel, they feel more satisfying, right?

Right. Right. It is hard to feel. I think certain things you like acknowledge the great parts of, well, whatever situation, in this case, a job. And then you also acknowledge, oh, yeah, but the price is that like I don't have maybe as much control or say as you might want. But then to your point of identifying what it is that you can control, and that feels helpful in all aspects of life.

Right. Because it's... Right. You know, it's... We control so little. Although I think that I have control over our podcast and then you see what gets out there and apparently I have no control. So...

Sorry. You know. That is so... I mean, I don't want to say the word unfair, but I will. Because it's like, come on, guys. I know. I'm just like, at this point, you know, they've decided. to pinpoint me in this certain area

as a certain thing and I'm just like oh God I'm sorry I can fight it I can ignore it you know there's like many ways to go and I'm just like never talking again well that's it so don't do that right must talk again so it's like

for me I always feel like and I don't know it's like everything passes so it's right and and in our insane media culture it's like attention to say off Instagram You know what I mean? For like the next couple weeks.

Like I'll do that. Anytime one of these things gets out that I go, oh my God, like die over. I just don't look on Instagram for a long time. It helps so much. It helps a lot. Absolutely. I know.

Oh, I totally, I'm glad you're doing that. Because I, and I don't mean to like identify what you, but I understand the feeling. And it's like, if you just focus on your immediate, like the real people in your life. Right. And the people who are like immediately near you and stay off. It's so, it's helpful.

Right. It's like just, yes. I agree. It's such just crazy. It's so. It's such a crazy time in terms of like, people never used to like, like the press wouldn't expose things like in this. You guys, I was just watching a JFK documentary.

But I was, they just didn't talk about his affairs. They just didn't talk about it. So it's like certain things were just like out of the press. They didn't talk. They had respect for like. Like their privacy. Imagine in this day age. Imagine. Imagine. I mean, well, look at Clinton. You know what I mean? Like it's just. Oh, I know. Yeah. And now with social media, my goodness. Social media, everything is just, but the, but the only upside is that there's so much that nobody can remain focused for too long.

There's way too much. We want to ask you some fun question. All right. If you had to adopt one celebrity, who would it be? Oh. One celebrity? Oh. Oh, yeah. Let me think. I do adopt one celebrity. They're like yours now, you know. You're adopting them. Oh, okay. Are they?

And they're in my family now. Yeah, like they live with you. Um. Oh, I guess it's Colin Firth. Oh. Okay. Why? Yeah, everybody got very surprised by that answer.

Oh, because I feel like he would bring such a degree. First of all, I thought it was a pretty non-controversial pick. Second, that's a main reason. Right. Right. The second reason is I feel that he would up the level of like elegance in my house. Wow. Oh.

And in terms, listen to me, bath time, I don't think there'd be any messing around. I feel like Colin Firth would say, you know, here's what's going on. This is the schedule for the evening. We'll be lights out at eight. Done. Dude. Okay. It's Colin Firth.

You're brilliant. Oh, my God. That's a brilliant answer. So good. So good. Thinking it through on the fly. Thank you. That leads us to what's your.

ideal bedtime. I mean, that's fitting. Oh, yeah. This is tricky. Do you know what? Before kids, my ideal bedtime was literally 830. Like I loved going to bed early and getting, is it crazy? No, I love that. Before. Yeah. Right. And now I feel, do you have that thing at the end of the day where you're like, no, no, no, no. It's like revenge on like all of the time your day has taken from you. So I will stay up late doing nothing just because I want time to myself. So I'd say my ideal bedtime is 10. It's not that late. That's late for me. No, that's late to me.

I'm late 30. I force myself to stay awake until 10, so I know I will sleep through until at least 5.30. Yes. You know? Yeah. It's gotten to that point. Wait, Rachel, who would you adopt?

Yeah. Oh. Curious. Oh, that's going to be a lot. I feel like I want a comedian, like, just because they could just walk around the house and just, oh, what about, what's his name who does Dateline? What's his name?

Why would you without him? What's his name? Because he could just walk around behind me throughout the house and narrate everything. And I feel like that would be really entertaining. You wouldn't be scared all the time? Yes. Oh, I would be scared all the time,

but I'm scared all the time anyways. Like, I'm convinced that someone's going to come kill me. I mean, anyway. Okay. Oh, my God. Why am I blanking on his name? I can't remember his name. You know.

Anyway, whatever. What about you, Olivia? You know, the first person that came to mind was honestly Aubrey Plaza because I feel like she would make the perfect like kind of

roommate? No, I feel like she'd be like the teenage-ish even though she's not a teenager I feel like she'd be the sister my kids need, you know? Oh! Yeah.

Oh, that's right. Yeah, I like that. I just realized that Briar's probably going to be terrified with what's his name. Walk him from your right? following. I'm going to look at it.

What is his name? I was at Ken Jennings, but that's the Jeopardy guy. That's the Jeopardy guy. You could... I wouldn't mind. No, he'd be fine. Here's the thing.

I sort of thought, yeah, it's like, it's a different question. If you didn't have kids who do adopt, it's going to be different than if you do have kids. Oh, yes.

Is it Keith Morrison? That's who I'm... There we go. See? I did not come up with that. Yeah, that's who you're talking about. Keith Morrison. Yep.

That's who's following me around. You all. also want someone, he's seen it all. He's rid of all. Nothing's going to phase him. Right. I mean, he's ready. He's ready for this.

Yeah, that's what, that's the piece of Colin Firth that I, the character piece that I like because he's, um, unflappable. So I like that. And I totally understand having Aubrey as like, even though she's not a teenager, having that energy. For sure. And also she'd be someone you could. Yeah.

Lean on. Right. So I get it. I get it. I love how all of our answers are. reflective of what we need. Also, none of them are like, when you say adopt,

you do think like, oh, who's like a fun kid to have? But we all gave like fully grown. Yeah. They were very well evolved and thoughtful answers, I would say. Yeah, I feel like Aubrey would just turn the TV off and be like, no, it's off.

Yeah. You do need that outside influence. Absolutely. It just doesn't matter. If it's you, it's just they're not. Nope. Just like, no, now we have people that we can go to.

to tell them what to do. See, it's all come from a circle. We need them. Yep. Keith Morrison's going to be like Breyer. Breyer. I die. Okay. If you had to pick a song to play, every time you walked into a room, what would it be? Oh. Do you know what song I was listening to you? Okay, so it was on, I have the Peloton app. I run to Peloton a lot. So it was on one of Robin, our zone's mixes. And it was, uh, none of your business by Salt and Papa. And it is such a good time of you guys. Hold me, Matt.

And it's your business. It's kind of business. It is so, and you guys listen to those lyrics because they are so helpful. They're just like, it's not your business. It's my business. Anything I want to do. And then at the very end, it's like, only let God in heaven will be the judge. And you are, you cannot.

It gets a little spiritual. But the beat is great. It announces like your energy before you even get into the room. So yeah, I think it'd be none of your business. I love every time Ellie's walking and then none of your business just starts. There's two totally like separate identities, but they're coming together and it's none of your business. Yep. What's your favorite junk food?

Oh, that's a hard one because my favorite is ice cream. But you guys, as I've become like older. I can't have as much without feeling like bloated. I used to be able to have so much and feel fine. So now my favorite junk food is animal crackers. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love animal crackers. It sounds really good. And it's not, I don't mean the, like, I don't mean the circus animal cookies. I mean the legit OG animal cracker. Yep. That's exactly. I'm going to eat my daughter's bag. I just remembered I have one.

The bag isn't enough for me, that little bit. No. I like the like tubs of them. You like the big? The tub? The tub. They're cozy. They make you feel like everything's going to be okay.

I know. And they never end. You go with the tub anyway. Yeah. That's why I need the tub too. We need the tub too. Okay. Last one.

Lou, do you want to go or should I? You go. You go with the thing. Okay. So you're stranded on an island and you have three people. Okay. You have Steve Karel, John Ham, and Jack Black. But you can only keep one.

Oh. Yeah. Who do you keep? Oh no. Okay, wait, it's Steve Correll. John Ham. Oh, no. Okay.

Steve Correll, John Hamm, and Jack Black. Yep. I can only keep one. And there is an answer. I know it's hard. We didn't do you easy on this one. I know. I hate to do this, but I am a very proud St. Louis.

And John Ham is, he's from St. Louis. I know. I, those hometown bonds die hard. So by Steve Correll, by Jack Black. I think I'm keeping John Hamm. That's okay. That's okay. Okay.

Yeah. He was my teacher. You guys, we went to the same high school. And then he went to college and came back and taught, I get that. He taught theater for a year at our school. Like, less in your high school? At my high school. I was in ninth grade at the time.

He came back. And yeah, I mean, how lucky you are. Are those students? Me being one of them. That is so cool. Did everyone have a crush on him? Everyone had a crush on him. Oh my God.

Because I mean, yeah. I remember the first time I met him, I was like, oh. Yeah. You're very handsome then. Oh, very handsome. Yeah. And also, by the way, you can't not see Don Draper. Like, you're like, oh, you can't.

I mean, not then. Like, that was before. What if it was then, though? What if I had a premonition? Yeah. You're like this guy. This era is you. I was like, this era, exactly.

Yeah. Since Mad Men, you can't like not, it's just that presence. You can't unsear. And he's so nice, right? Well, that's just the irritating thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. He's just nice.

And he is very good to St. Louis. Like, he's just, I just feel like he's always helping out. He's just good. He's a good guy. That was a good choice then. Oh, and meet me in St. Louis. Did you watch them as a kiss? I loved.

Loved. Obsessed. Oh, my God. It's one of my favorite childhood movies of all time. Oh, I'm so happy you said. I love. that movie. We watched it on, I still remember the, like, VHS, like, Oh, yeah, the VHS tape of it. Yep. Yep. It's so. Oh, my God. And Judy Garland was her Auburn

Heron. No, forget it. I can't. And then when they end up staying, I'm like, sorry, spoiler alert. Oh, spoiler alert. Oh, spoiler alert from a movie from the 30s or whatever. They do stay. They stay in St. Louis. Oh, because of the World Fair. It's such a time to watch it. I feel like my daughter. Animal Crackers and Amy and San Marlowe's done. And we're done. Oh my God. This has been so much fun. We're so excited for Born to Love. We can't wait to listen. Thank you very much. It was so awesome talking with you. It was lovely talking with you. I'm in such, not that I was in a bad mood beforehand, but I'm in a very good mood now. It was just a pleasure talking with you ladies. Such a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for having. Yes. Right back at you. Thanks, Ellie. Thank you. Thank you so much. Bye.

Bye. We're going to take some personality tests. So the four Myers-Briggs types are introversion, extroversion, sensing, intuition, thinking, feeling, and judging, perceiving. All right. Let's see if this works. Okay. This is a scale from one to five. You're going to tell me if you're one or five, and I'm going to tell you the end points on the spectrum.

Okay. Make lists is one, relies on memory is five. Make lists. one two three four five i don't get it skeptical or wants to believe wants to believe is five i got it i'm thinking bored by time alone needs time alone needs time alone yeah you're five sure accepts things as they are is one unsatisfied with the way things are five three keeps a clean room one one Just put stuff wherever five. Thinks robotic is an insult one.

Strives to have a mechanical mind five. I don't. What? Three. I don't know. Energetic one, mellow five. I look at you when I can't answer my own question. I know.

I'm trying not to look at you because I'm trying to let you answer it yourself. Say it again? Say it again? Say it again? Say it again. It's how you identify. Energetic is one. Mellow is five.

Three. Prefer multiple choice test. Prefer essay answer. One. Chaotic. One, organized five. Three. Easily hurt.

One. Thick-skinned five. Oh. That depends because I can go either way. Okay, I'll go three. One works best in groups. Five works best alone. One in groups.

One, focus on the present. five focused on the future. I've really been working hard on this. I'm going to go two. One plans far ahead. Five plans at the last minute. One. I do. Planning things, I plan far ahead. Just executing the next one's executed.

One wants people's respect. Five wants their love. Four. Four. One gets worn out by parties. Five gets fired up. I'm like five. No.

Two. One fits in. Five stands out. I fit in. One. One keeps options open. Five commits. Well, it depends what we're talking about here.

Yeah, this is freaking generally. I commit. Five. Four. You're really committed to that. One wants to be good at fixing things. Five, wants to be good at fixing people. I pride myself on being able to fix things. I'm just going to go two.

One talks more. Five listens more. Not really good at either. Right in the middle. Three. One, when describing an event, will tell people what happened. Five, when describing an event, will tell people what it meant. happened One

One gets worked on right away Five procrastinates Five One follows the heart Five follows the head One I sound like a mess One stays at home

Five goes out on the town One One wants the big picture Five wants the details Two One improvises Five repairs Three

one bases morality on justice five bases morality on compassion five one finds it difficult to yell very loudly five yelling to others when they are far away comes naturally two one theoretical five empirical three do you know what they mean no Like in theory or practical. Right. One works hard. Five plays hard. Three.

One, uncomfortable with emotions. Five, values emotions. Four. One likes to perform in front of other people. Five avoids public speaking. Four. One likes to know who, what? Five likes to know why.

One. Your I scale. What does that mean? There's ISFX scores. Okay. What's I? I is a weak preference for introversion over extroversion. Saying she's an introvert.

No, a weak preference. So like a little bit introvert, but like not really. It's a weak preference. S, a strong preference for sensing over intuition. That's not true. Based on the stats, it is. That's not true, though. What does that mean?

Like, I have a sense versus intuition. Like practicality and, like, data. Nope. Some of your answers that were based on that. You do. Versus intuition. You actually do. You like.

You overthink and you analyze. You like the analytical data to back your feelings. Okay. Does that make sense? Yeah. I can see that. You like data. F.

B. You do love them from Goonies. Weak preference for feeling over thinking. I'd say that's a strong preference. For thinking over feeling. No, for feeling overthinking. Oh, okay. You agree with that.

You answered these. I mean. X, balanced between judging and perceiving. Okay, that's good. And then there's this little scale. Did it define what personality type she is? She's leaning introvert, leaning sensor, more middle ground,

feeling and then she's smack dab in the middle on Judgeer versus Perceiver. This is giving, yeah, it was sliding scale. I see. From zero to one of where you are. Yeah. Can you two mind real quick? I'll go fast. Makes list one relies on memory, five.

Five. Skeptical one wants to bleed five. Five. Bored by alone time, needs a loan time. Five. one accepts things as they are five unsatisfied with the way things are three one keeps a clean room five puts stuff where up one one thinks robotic as an insult five strives to have mechanical mind one one energetic five mellow three one prefers multiple choice five prefers essays answers one one chaotic five organized very organized I'm very organized.

I guess four. One easily hurt, five, thick-skinned. I would say three. One works best in groups. Five works best alone. One. One, focus on the present. Five, focus in the future. Two.

One plans far ahead. Five plans at last minute. Five. One wants people's respect. Five wants people's love. Five. One gets worn out by parties. Five gets fired up. by parties. Fucking. Five!

One fits in. Five stands out. One. One keeps option open. Five commits. One wants to be good at fixing things. Five wants to be good at fixing people. Five.

One talks more. Five listens more. Four or five. I do listen to people, too. Four. Oh, a lot. Yeah. One, when describing an event, we'll tell people what happened.

Five, we'll tell people what it meant. Five. One gets work done right away. Five procrastinates. Five. One follows a heart. Five follows a head. Three.

One stays at home. Five goes out on the town. Four. Don't go out on the town. No, but I like to go. Like, I'm a goer compared to you. One wants a big picture. Five wants details.

One. One. One improvises. Five prepares. One. One. Basis morality on justice. Five basis morality.

and compassion. Five. One finds a difficult to yell very loudly. Five, yelling to others comes natural. Two. One, theoretical. Five, empirical. I don't know how to answer that.

Yeah, it's a tough one. Three. Do you want a definition? Yeah. Empirical, based on concern with or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or logic. I thought it was fact. Well, that's me. So five.

Yeah. Damn, well, I probably would answer different. I want to change everything. One works hard, five plays hard. Three. One uncomfortable with emotions. Five values emotions. Five.

One likes to perform in front of other people. Five avoids public speak. One. One. One likes to know who, what. Five wants to know. Okay. What is she?

Weak preference for extroversion over introversion. So you're 59 out of 100. Of what? Intra or extra version? Well, it's a scale. Zero is introvert as five. Sensing an intuition, you're right in the middle.

47%. You're getting percentages. Feeling overthinking, your strong preference for feeling. 13%. Don't do no thinking. Perceiving versus judging. Slightly past unperceiving. Okay.

You're 63. 50 would be a smack dab in the middle. Okay. That's it. That's it? Are you going to go out? You have to read them the questions. I know.

Although you could just answer the question. I could answer them for him. Oh, let's do that. No. Well, you can say if that's what you're going to say. Read them and then we're going to say yours. No. We would have to write them down.

Yeah. You can do that if you want. All right. Makes lists, relies on. memory. You're going to give me one in five. What? You got to give him the one to five.

Well, obviously the one I say first is one. Okay. One? You're the worst moderator. Imagine if she was on a show and did that. Figure it out your self. I said that's the first one. Skeptical wants to believe.

Skeptical one. One to believe five. Two. Bored by time alone needs time alone. Three. Except. things as they are unsatisfied with the way things are. Two.

Keeps a clean room. Just put stuff wherever. Two. Thinks robotic is an insult. Strives to have a mechanical mind. Four. I knew it. Me too. Yeah. Energetic, mellow.

No. Five. Yep. Prefer multiple choice or prefer essay answers Three Chaotic, organized Five Easily hurt, thick-skinned

Three Yeah, I was going to say that in ten Works best in groups, works best alone Three Focused on the present, focused on the future Three Plans far ahead, plans at last minute one

once people's respect once they're left three gets worn out by parties gets fired up by parties two fits in stands out two

keeps options open or commits four wants to be good at fixing things wants to be good at fixing people three Talks more, listens more Five When describing an event

Will tell people what happened Or it will tell people what it meant 1 Gets work done right away or procrastinate Your one Follows the heart, follows the head Four Stays at home, goes out on the town

Four Once the big picture wants the details Three Improvises prepares Four Five, I'll go five there. Basis morality on justice or compassion. Four.

Finds it difficult to yell very loudly, yelling down. One. Theoretical or empirical. Five. Four. Works hard, plays hard. Two. Uncomfortable with emotions, values emotions.

Two. Like to perform. Form in front of people. Avoid public speaking. Five. Imagine if Rob was secretly a one. Yeah. Likes to know who, what, or likes to know why?

Three. Okay. How do I read this? You need me to read it. Yep. I was in the middle on a bunch, so I feel like. Introvert. Shocking.

25 out of 100. towards introvert Wow My scale has changed For each of us on her results as well What do you mean? I gave you a percent

I'm doing mine 25 and 100 And I was just nothing Well I figured out how to read this He's like she weekly leans this way Well there is that definition of it Right All right Sensing versus intuition

I lean towards sensing 34 out of 100 thinking over feeling. I'm 60 out of 100 for thinking. I would have liked more precise answers personally online.

I have yours. I can go back. Oh, no, that's okay. We don't need to revisit. I'm going to revisit. And then judging over perceiving strong preference of judging nine out of a hundred.

Yep. Let's go back to Rachel. No. Yeah, just do it. Introvert versus extrovert. You're 34 towards introvert. So 50, smack dab in the middle.

Sensing over intuition, year 25 towards sensing. She keeps looking at me like. And we both agreed with it. She's like, I want the data on that. I don't understand. Feeling versus thinking, you're 31 towards feeling. And then judging versus perceiving,

you're just slightly towards judging at 47. She's judging those answers right now, slightly. Judging means more. like analyzing. Yeah, it's the way it sounds is like you're judging, but that's not what it means. All right.

You're mad at 0.47? I have 9. And Olivia's 63. What does that mean? You're towards perceiving. You don't care at all about the actual judgment of it. So how do you feel about the fact? Do you feel like if you were to describe yourself,

you'd describe yourself as an introvert or extrovert? I feel like I can go either way. Does that make sense? It depends on the circumstance. You can be extroverted. I can be like, yes, let's fucking go. Like, let's do this. I'm totally down.

Let's fucking go. Where? As an extrovert. You can say, where is she doing this? Wakeboard, whatever the hell we did at 6 a.m. In Vancouver. That's not extroverted.

Yeah, not your sense of adventure. Yeah, but like game night. I'll interact like a motherfucker. It probably depends. on your level of comfortability with the people. That's how I am as well.

But I can still tap into it even if I'm not comfortable with everybody. Yeah, that's it. I think I can do that too. Do you think of me as like a super introvert? I think of you as an introvert

that can be very outgoing in your personality. Like you can be very generous of spirit in your personality like really giving and like you can make people feel comfortable and you're loving and all of those things. But I think that you tend to want to be with the people you're closest to more than

like meet a bunch of people. Yeah. Go into a mixer. Yeah. A mixer. Like you can do it, but it's not what you want to be doing. No. You know?

Yeah. Well, that's fair. And you can be put anywhere and be like in it. Put anywhere. And I'll enjoy it though. Oh, right. That's the thing. And then Rob is a tricky one because his personality is more introverted,

but he likes being at the place and he likes being intermixed with the world. He likes to go to coffee dates. He likes to go to coffee dates. He likes to go to coffee. A movie theater is great because you can be around a lot of people, but you don't have to interact with anyone. Yeah. I don't want to be around the people. That's introvert.

So why are you so surprised that you're an introvert? I don't know. See, but Rob's a trickier one. because he's introverted in personality, but extroverted in environment. Hmm. Interesting. Is that, do you think that's?

Yeah. I like the buzz of. You like going. Yeah. Yeah, your concert. But if I can like, I don't want to be an active participant where I'm going. Right.

I want to just be able to stay introverted where I am. Right. But you're down to be there. Like you're into concerts, restaurants. Concert because I can sit and I'm like, you're not talking at a concert. Right. You're observing.

You're sitting and watching and it's like a movie theater. Yeah. Or a movie. Laura will, yeah, watching that theater. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. I do not like concerts.

You just don't like people. I just don't like anybody. You don't like people around you. I'm turning into like Howard Hughes. Is it purely though? like when you're wearing a mask does that make you being around people any more tolerable

or? Like a COVID mask? Yeah. I'm just wondering how much of it is just that you're going to get recognized and you don't want. No. You don't want that. She was like that before she ever No, I would avoid... But that could be a factor. No, no, no. If you're going to a concert

and 200 people are going to come up to you. No one's going to know who I am. I would avoid going to the mall down the street from my high school because I did not want to run into anybody. I guess I am an introvert. Yeah, that's why I'm like, why are you surprised? Because I think of myself, like, I can be very social and, like, do the things, you know? That's your personality.

Oh, God. Do you know what I mean? It's different than your psychology. Hmm. All right. You guys have any big planes this summer? Olivia's going to Pittsburgh. Can you get tasty cakes in Pittsburgh?

I don't know. What? I don't know. I've never had a tasty cake. You had that in the chamber before. She even answered. In the chamber. I've never had a tasty cake.

Yes, you have. You know my candy cakes? The ones I love the chocolate with the cake and the peanut butter. The little circle. I'll give you one. You can't eat it. I don't think I want it. Oh, my God, you want it.

Remember, I would keep them in the freezer and then like two circles and like a little packet. Is it like a Hostess Cupcake kind of thing? No, but it, but tasty cakes are in the vein of Hostess, but no. But you can get a, I'm here? No. Oh, so you got them when you were away? Back east, yes. They're frozen? No, but they're good in the freezer. You love them. I love them. My grandparents used to always bring them when they would come out to visit. Okay, no, mind. Do you like them? I don't know. I'll show them to you guys. I don't think. I don't think I want it. Where are you going?

Going to the Great White North. Yeah. You going fishing? You know what I did do, though? I've been obsessed with trying a snackle box. Have you seen this? What's a snackle box? You get a tackle box. No, not a used one.

That's already gone fishing. A tackle box. But you fill all the compartments with snacks. And it's a snackle box. Where do you see this? You could do it like a charcutory, if you wish. You could just put all different fruits and veggies and crackers. And that is what my Virgo

brain is the most excited to do. I'm going to pack a snackle. Someone's going to try to go fishing with this snackle box and get there and be real upset that you've replaced it all with snacks. Or they're going to have delicious snacks for the fish and they'll catch even more. Where do you see this on like Pinterest or something? I forget where I first saw it, but I'm super into it. I actually went out of my way and I went to Big Five.

Dick Sporting's Good did not have a tackle box. You're going to take it with you on the plane? No, I'll probably get one there. My point is I got one to try. I'm going to travel. I did because I was going to bring it to the beach or something. Like I had a reason, but I didn't wind up doing it. But that is my goal this summer is to do a snackle box.

I belong in the Midwest. That is the most thrilling adventure in my mind is to pack a snackle box. No mountain biking while you're up there? Who knows? I ATV, though. I do enjoy an ATV ride. Do you drive? Yes.

No. Passenger. Drive those ATVs. Okay. Water under the bridge. We're just going to start the cliche. Anyone that works. And if we're starting stating any cliche.

Any cliche saying it has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Takes one to no one. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God, you guys. That is our goal this next week. Oh, my gosh. Please.

Slip in those like sayings where they don't belong at all. We just had this conversation with Jeff. I'm like, if he picks one up, I'll hear him in his business meetings using them. And he said that sometimes in his mind, he'll think, how can I get as many in one sentence as possible? It's like a game. It's like a game for him. He'll be like, well, it's all baked into the cake. And at the end of the day, like how many metaphors can I use?

No, this is what we're going to do, guys. What if we assign each other a saying? That's great. Rob, that's the way the cookie crumbles. Nothing to do with anything anyone's dog. talking about, you have to slip it in. They're like, they're like, do you know what time?

That's the way the cookie comes. Yours is the devil's beaten his wife. No, I don't even know that saying and that's offensive. No, it has to be like water under the bridge. Yeah. We gotta get her a we gotta get her a weirder one. I mean, it was weird when she said it to me when it had nothing to do. What's Olivia is?

takes one a penny saved is a penny earned Why is it so funny? I know like it's going to be so out of context and not have anything to do with anything Like the waiter's going to be like

Like a server's going to be like So how do you want your iced tea? Well, penny saved is a penny You have to say blood is thicker than water Yeah, that's a good one That's a good one Blood is thicker than water The flight, like, I'm going to be checking him for my flight.

And they're going to be like, do you have any check bags? Ms. Bilsen? Blood is thicker than water. Someone's going to be like, and thank you. Have a great time. Blood is thicker than water. I think yours should be dead as a doornail. Oh, that's a good one too.

Dead as a doornail. Yes. No, I don't like it as much. Burry the hatchet. Bury the hatchet. Yeah, read them off. There you go. Actions speak louder than words.

Beggers can't be choosers. That's a good one, too. That's a good one. I think we should try and try and find ways to use all of them. Better late than possible. Better safe than sorry. If you guys, if.

All the days work. So good. Hold on. As easy as pie. As easy as pie. If we can actually record us, any of us actually doing this like discreetly. Yeah. And capture it.

Any way we can use them, that's the challenge. This is our challenge. As many cliches as you can get into one week. And try to record it if you can. We've got a list of like 600 here. Well, we're going to all have the lists. We're going to have them. Easy does it.

Chip off the old block. Brick on your shoulder. What's the saying? Chip on your shoulder. You really got a brick on your house. You really got a brick on your shoulder. Relax the grind. This is so good.

Okay. This is our challenge. The Broad Ideas Challenge is back, folks. Hey, any of our listeners, if you guys can do this and you can like just put in anywhere randomly where it's not appropriate or should not be inserted use the sayings and if you record it, send it to our broad ideas

Instagram. Well, you do Boys Will Be Boys Also. That's a good one. Boys will be boys. They're like, excuse me ladies, yep, boys will be boys. Burning the candle at both ends. Oh my God, there's so many. I'm very excited about this challenge. Me too. The next challenge

for you to not do. No, I will definitely Because I do it anyways on accident. Like water into the print. Yeah. This is good. I feel good about this. All right.

Well, see everyone next week. See you next week. See ya. That was a hate gum podcast.