Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Emily Browning on Depression, Body Empowerment, and the Apocalypse

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

Emily Browning [Class of ‘07, Sucker Punch, American Gods] talks with Olivia and Rachel about whether being a parent makes you lame, being body shamed at 8 years old, and self-work during the pandemic. They also discuss the “inner child”-theory, the fine line between body empowerment and feeling sexually exploited, and fucking a zombie. Broad Ideas is supported by Talkspace. Get $100 off your first month at Talkspace.com/IDEAS. Broad Ideas is supported by Factor. Head to factormeals.com/ideas50 and use code ideas50 to get 50% off your first box.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hi, Rob. Hi, Olivia. I don't know why you're silent every single time. I don't know. I guess it's just a thing I did it and then I don't know how to stop doing it since I did it. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean, though.

It's like now you do a thing. Yeah, it's like how do you get out of the thing. And I don't know how to get out of it. I get it. Well, you know who wasn't silent? Emily Browning, our lovely guest today. She's an actor. You might know her from American Gods.

Sucker Punch, which I totally wanted that role. And Lemony Snickett's a series of unfortunate events and her new series, Class of 07, which sounds so fun. Premier is March 17th on Prime Video. I'm super excited for this one. Let's welcome Emily. Sometimes when the weekend side of Rachel's little brain, All these thoughts are swirling round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride.

We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys that are near death because people die. Emily, we are so honored that we are your first podcast. I know. I'm excited. I'm nervous. Don't nothing to be nervous about. We will go easy on you, I promise. That's not true. We're not going to go easy on you, but we'll have fun. Okay, great. That sounds perfect. Well, that's what she's here for. Just to comfort everyone and I'm just like, listen.

Perfect. I'm going to lie. It's like good cop, bad cop kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. Cool. So you, okay, so like backstory, you're from Australia. I am born and kind of raised? Or how long were you there? Yeah, I was born there in Melbourne. And I was born there in Melbourne. And I, I was, like, back story. I, you're from. I, I lived there until I was like 21. Okay. And then moved to London and then I moved here like 10 years ago. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Only 10 years here. I mean, I guess how do you like it? I love it now. Yeah. I hated it for a really long time. Did you? Before I moved here, because I think when I first came here for like press and stuff, I only really experienced West Hollywood Beverly Hills.

And I just was like, this is not. Yeah. It's not for me. I have an allergic reaction to those places. Yeah, I can't. I'm not like. I only go to those places to go to the dentist. Exactly.

Like doctor, medical-related. Yeah, exactly. It's the only way you'll get me there. Yeah. I am with you. It's not a pleasant. Well, some people love it. It's just not my vibe.

Right. But yeah, then I lived in London and then I just couldn't afford London anymore because it's insanely expensive. Yeah. And so I was like, well, I guess I'm going to move to L.A. And then I found like the east side and now I love it. Right. And once you find your people, like, El. L.A. is like a million different cities in one.

For sure. You can find your own little pocket. Yeah, I think, too, that oftentimes when people move here for acting, they're introduced to a certain side of Los Angeles that doesn't encompass the whole landscape of what L.A. has to offer. Totally. Yeah. And as you like ease into it, you're like, oh, there's actually good people out here. Yeah. And I think also it's like because the whole town feels like it's all in the same.

industry. At first, that can be really terrifying. There is a pressure I feel here that I don't really feel anywhere else where I'm kind of like suddenly very aware of like the way that I look and the fact that I'm being valued for that or whatever. However, because everyone's in the same industry, it means you can meet so many people that are dealing with the same bullshit. Sure. Bullshit that you're dealing with, you know? Yeah, and it is bullshit. It's really is bullshit. Yeah, it's hard. You know, I'm raising a daughter here. But Olivia and I both, are, we're raised here. So, you know, it's home and it kind of is a little different. I think for us, we have a different relationship with it because of that. But there is that side of it. And I definitely,

you know, you have to take into account like raised and you just don't want them to, well, with all of the social media and everything else and like putting too much attention on the outer is like, yeah, you have to, you have to work hard and as a parent especially to make sure there. Yeah. Do you want kids? Yeah. Yeah. I do. Yeah. I do, but it's that kind of thing where I'm like, I always thought, because my parents had me when they were like 22. Wow. Yeah.

And they were, yeah, and real immature. They did their very best, but they're amazing people, but they were kids when they had me. Yeah. But so I've always had young parents and I've always thought, oh, I'm going to be a young parent. I was like, I'm going to have my first kid when I'm 25. And then I was like, well, maybe 27. Well, maybe I'm cut to now I'm 34. And I'm like, can I just have a couple more years before I have to do it, you know?

But yeah, take your years. Yeah. I know, but it's so like, I'm talking to my boyfriend about this the other day. It's like, it's so fucking unfair that. Oh, yeah. If I want to have kids, I have to do it kind of now-ish. I mean, I have a little bit of time. Yeah.

But there's a window. And he wants to do it sooner than I do. Wow. And I'm like, you could literally, we could get married. We could get divorced. in 10 years and you could go have a kid if you wanted to, like 10 years from now. I know. It's so fucked up. It's so fucked up. But the egg freezing is a thing. That's true. Which I've said this before that I want to scream it from the mountains that

everybody should freeze their eggs because I've seen so many people struggle with that later. It's not a choice you can make later. Right? I know. Totally. So that's the beauty of this day and age is that if you want to wait to have kids, you can. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's actually true. You're at the perfect age, I think, in time. Like, if you do want to do that, maybe something to look into. I know it's, you know, it's a... That's why we brought you here. That's why you're going to harvest your eggs. Intervention. But no, you know, and it's expensive and it's not like super accessible to everybody. But if you can do it, we highly encourage it. It's also the kind of thing, like, I'm, I'm with the person that I'm going to be with. Yeah. A place for the foreseeable future. He wants kids. I want kids. I've literally talked to my therapist about this every week. And she's like, has made the same suggestion like, yeah, freeze your eggs. But also, you're never going to feel ready.

No, you're not. No, no. So just like, you know. You're not ever going to feel ready. At some point, if you want to do it, you're going to have to just do it. Right. That's the only way to do it. That's the only way to do it.

It's your only choice if you want to do it. Yeah, totally. But it's getting like, it's nice. I just feel like when I was a kid, people who had kids were so, just seemed so old and lame. Do you know what I mean? Of course. And now, like, so many of my friends are having kids. And I'm like, oh, these people can still be their own.

They're not just, their whole personality isn't mom. Right. You know. Right. Not the whole world revolves. I mean, yeah, I think there's also different types of people and parents and how they approach it. You know, for sure. I think I'm too much, like, mom to a fault.

I can so see myself. I know that's going to be me too. Right. The way that I mother my dog, I'm just like, I'm screwed. My kids are going to be my whole life. Yeah. Yes. Well, I think also as you get older, at least for me in my experience, is that you're like, oh, when I have kids, like, I don't want to be that old person that's lame and does nothing. And then you get to that age and you're like, you know what I want? I want to be

that person that does nothing. And like, stay at home and like, you know, so it kind of like creeps up on you. But, okay, so you've been here for 10 years. Yeah. Growing up in Australia. Mm-hmm. And you said it was different. I just want to go back to this because they I think it's really important. Like being in Los Angeles and having that pressure of how people perceive you, your looks, what you do as an actress, like your body, all of that being looked at, right? Yeah. Do you find that incredibly different than in Australia?

No, not necessarily. I think especially like in the film and TV industry in Australia, it's exactly the same. But I think because it sometimes feels in L.A. like you can't escape the industry, like it's everything and everywhere. But I also, I mean, I started acting when I was eight years old and I'm glad that I did in a way. I mean, I wanted to do it and it was. It was your choice. Like at 8 you knew.

It was much. I mean, look, if my eight year old came to me and was like, I want to be an actor, I'd be like, absolutely not. But my parents didn't know any better. They were like, okay, this is, I did an audition. I got the part and then I just kept, just kind of kept happening. So I'm glad I did it and I'm glad I've now been, it's nice to be like, oh, I've been doing this for 25 years. Yeah. But I'm working through it, but I think it has really, I hope not irreversibly, but what it has done to my

opinion of my physical self is so damaging. And that's coming from someone who was, I was one of the lucky. ones. I've never been told to like lose weight. I've never been, but you just, it's this, like, psychic energy that you feel and these little things that, I remember one of the first movies I did, I was like eight or nine. I was in like a one-piece bathing suit. And I was a really skinny, gangly little kid, but I had like a little pop belly. And the director, who was like a 60-year-old man, patted me on the belly. It was like after the Christmas holidays, he patted me on the belly. And he was like, oh, looks like someone's had a bit too much Christmas pudding.

And as an eight-year-old, I was like, I don't, what? But it's, that man's voice is still in my head. It's stuck with you. It's just like, when you grow up, when you grow up, like, feeling like you are valued for a certain thing, it's hard not to value yourself for that. It's like a big thing to, like, break out of, you know? Yeah. Right.

But I'm fine. No, but this is, this is, this is. really important conversation and a conversation I think that is more interesting, at least to me, than most conversations, because I think that whether someone's in this industry or not, a lot of females deal with that. And especially with social media now, a day is where everyone's filtering themselves and modifying themselves and all of that. I think that those voices that we hear in our head, also, it's not just about what do we internalize and make. mean of ourselves, but it's getting the attention out there that people's words can harm you.

Yeah. You know, especially children. Children. Children. No, I, you know, it's so, you say you were eight years old. My daughter's eight. So I'm thinking, oh, my God, things going in stick with you. And then I just remembered something in second grade that happened to me, like a little boy made fun of me.

And it stuck with me, you know, until I got into probably my 30s, mid-third to be like, eh, whatever, you know, but like these things. things and they stick with you and you're just like, oh, it's trip me out so much. I'm like, oh my God, what's being said to my daughter? What's you going to take with her? It's, oh, God, just that. But then there's also so much, because I know that my mom has things that she's like, oh, I remember I said this to you when you were a kid and I felt so bad about it and I regret it so much. And I'm like, I don't remember that at all. Right. So it's really, it just depends. No, it depends. We don't know what's going to bury its way in there. Dick. Yeah. No, I think

Being like an eight-year-old and having your first job and having an old man who is ostensibly like your boss, like your first boss, who tells you that you have a pot belly, you're like, that's okay. I guess I'm, I guess there's something wrong with me and I should fix it. Like it's just really, it's wild. And then I also think that the positive reinforcement in terms of the way you look can have a really negative effect because you, when you are praised for looking a certain way, it means that in your kind of quiet moments, when you don't have anyone reflecting yourself back at you, you're like, well, what am I worth if no one's looking? What am I worth if no one's like telling me that I look good? It's really like a trip. And the baby thing is like, I don't want to be a person who's worried about what it will do to my body, but that little voice is in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course it is. You know, I will say this, though, at least in my experience, having a baby healed that for me. Because it was the first time in my body that I was loving it in a way that I gave it the

space to be what it was. And like, I was very mindful that I wasn't going to be mean to myself while having that human inside of me. Right. And so I feel like that was one of the most powerful things that helped me heal. What are the body dysmorphia or, any of, I still have it a little bit. You definitely have it. I definitely have it. But most of us do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it does help. It does. Yeah. Well, I remember, you know, I gained like 45 pounds maybe, something, you know, and I remember thinking, not even thinking, though. It was just like, well, I have a baby in me. It was actually the best experience because you're like, oh, my body's like doing this because there's a human. You're making a human. You're making a human. And of course you have

all those the thoughts in your mind like am I going to get stretch marks like religiously putting on the creams and like doing all the things because that's still there yeah you know for sure but also like yeah like I can go around with this body and it's so unfamiliar but it's also like the best thing yeah totally you know and like I know intellectually that the way I look is actually irrelevant when it comes to my worth like I know that yeah I know that when I'm on my deathbed I'm not I'm not gonna be like, well, I kind of wish my abs were flattered. Do you know, like no one, it doesn't matter. Right.

And I feel like I do a really good job of looking at other people through a lens of it doesn't matter. But it's just the inner critic when it comes to myself. Right. It's like this battle between your kind of logical adult brain and then this thing in your body that's like, you have to be skinny, you have to be, it's like really, it's fucking exhausting. It's exhausting.

It's exhausting. I have to say, so, you know, it seems like that you're very comfortable with your body and being nude and films. And like, it's really weird. It doesn't make sense. It's been really strange. I get it. You do? Yeah, because I feel like I under, remember we talked about this this morning.

Like, if I were to have the roles that you do, I would feel totally great about it. Like, it wouldn't cause me discomfort because. But it's also just like a. So I'm a very kind of nervous person in general. I'm not particularly like, I'm not like that brave in my everyday life, but acting from the very beginning has just felt like a way to completely escape myself. And so for some reason, any time like nude scenes came up, I was like so gung-ho about it, which sounds totally contradictory after everything I've just been saying, but they actually felt weirdly healing to me because it was kind of like in the

this moment, I don't care what my body looks like because I'm not me. Me. You know? Yeah. Whereas if someone, I got asked, I did a film when I was 21 called Sucker Punch, which is probably like, yeah, yeah, was like a very, you know, there was a big, yeah, there was a big movie, yeah. There were no nude scenes, but it was very much like in a tiny little outfit. And I got asked to do a Maxim cover to promote that. And I was like, no, I can't. I can't. And I sort of, the way that I explained it to people was like, you know, I don't want to, that's not, I don't want to be a cover of maximum.

Like, that's dumb. But truthfully, it was like, I can't show off my body when it's my body. It's really weird. I get that. Yeah. I think that's one of the draws to acting, though, for a lot of people. At least in my experience, I always love acting because it gives you a break from being yourself and you can go into all those dark shadow work or the extroverted part of you or the sexual part.

Any part of you that you're not that comfortable accessing, it becomes a vehicle for that. Yeah, and no one can really, at least to me it feels that no one can judge it. It's like, well, it's not me. And also, like, you like it or you don't like it. That's subjective. It's kind of like, it's fine. Yeah. I don't know.

Yeah, you know, it's so interesting because I was always like when I was younger. Like, no, no nudity. Like I almost lost roles, you know, saying like, I won't do that. And now that I'm older, I'm like, now that my body's been through childbirth, like everything, I'm like, yeah, let's show it, which is so bad. You're like, you should show it when you're younger and like perky and like. But I know, I can show it when you're older. I think show it when your body's been through some. shit. No one's asking me to be naked anymore. When I was 20, everyone wanted me to be naked.

And now it's like, no one's asking. Oh my God. But I remember sucker punch, like, everybody wanted that movie. It was so big and like such an ensemble, but you got the lead in it. And it was Zach Snyder, right? And that was huge. Yeah. And it was like kind of a life changing experience for me. Because it was actually, I mean, that film could have so easily been like a really unhealthy experience, but we went into the gym. Just because we were training and I think, you know, I mean, it's hot girls in a movie. I think if, so Zach Snyder is one of the kindest, most wonderful people, thank God. If he had have been the guy from your eight-year-old movie.

Seriously. Like, it could have been, it could have gone so wrong. but we were training for like three or four months before we started filming and from the top down from like Zach down it was made really clear like you're not training because we want your bodies to look any different you're training because we want you to be strong we want you to do as many of your stunts as possible and it was really like I love all of those girls so much still love all of them so much and we just like bonded and it just felt really like It was actually probably the time in my life where I cared the least about what my body looked like.

Because I was so fucking strong. I was like deadlifting. And then we would go out every night, all of us and just like eat burgers together. And it was just like, it felt really. I think when people see, I know a lot of criticism about that movie was like, oh, it's just like girls looking cute and fighting. But for me, the experience of making the movie was really empowering, actually. That's so cool. Yeah.

It was very cool. And then they were like, and now do a maximum cover. And I was like, I don't know. Well, good for you, you know, sticking to whatever your gut and your instinct tells you. Because I will say, like, the first photo shoot I ever did was one of those magazines. And they still circulate. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I can't look at those, you know.

I mean, it's fine. How did you feel doing it at the time, though? Did it feel bad or good? Yeah. I don't think I care. You know, I was like, whatever. You know, I think it was, I was fine with it. It wasn't like a, you know, an.

inner battle with myself. But I'm always like when they still circulate, I'm like, oh, guys, we're just 20 years old here. Can we just like stop with that? But yeah, but there are, do you find, you know, you've had 25 years of career, do you have things that you look at? Are there any regrets? Oh my God, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, actually, wait, let me rephrase that. There are a lot of things I've done. that I think are not good. But do I regret them? I don't know because I've taken a few films

because I needed to pay my rent. And a few of them have been really bad. And I don't like shitting on people in public, so I'm not going to like name check the movies. But like they paid my rent. And, you know, I had decent experiences. There was one film I did where it was made very clear from the beginning that I was on.

only there to look cute. And that felt like kind of a damaging experience. And after that, I was like, wow, I think I'd rather be broke than do a film that I really, really don't believe in just to make a good paycheck. But regrets not really. I mean, what's the point really is that's done? Yeah. What's happened?

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teach you? Yeah, I think it's the lesson that I'm supposed to be learning is that it doesn't matter and that I'm, my worth doesn't come from that. But it's really hard to kind of break away from that part of myself. What do you do to break away from that part of yourself? I mean, I age and I have to deal with it. But do you have any, like, you know, I'm big into like the self-love and like how we talk to ourselves and how we reprogram those neuropathways that have had these negative stories. Totally. Yeah. Is there anything that you do to remind yourself of your worth or affirmations or any of that

stuff. This is, this is something that I've really, since the pandemic have really been kind of, I mean, the pandemic happened weirdly at, for me personally, kind of at the right time, which sounds like a shitty thing to say. It was obviously really horrible for most people, but I was at a point where I needed to like stop and reflect for a while because I was just my inner self and my outer self were completely at odds with one another. I was like very depressed, but I refused to share that with anyone because I'm like a people pleaser and I just was wearing myself out so much. And I actually went and got treatment for depression during the pandemic because I was just like, I work really hard, I push myself like crazy and then I just go home and

am so exhausted, like in my bones, because I have not only put everything into my work, but I've put everything into pretending to be fine. And so, yeah, I went and got help, and it was the best thing I've ever done. And now it's like just a constant, I mean, you ask what I do to, I do so many things. Like, it's such a, like, helpful, though, to hear. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a 25-pronged approach.

Like, I have to work out, or I'm going to. like shit. Right. I have to take my medication or I'm going to feel like shit. I have to see my therapist. Like I have to spend a good amount of time with my dog every day. I have to like, it's all part of it. And I also like, the affirmations thing is really hard for me. And it is something I'm trying to learn to do, but I'm still in that phase of like, oh, this feels yucky, you know. Yeah. Like it just feels really, I think also growing up in Australia where there's like a real, there's like a real tall poppy syndrome, but also there's this. thing in Australian culture where it's like not, and I think it's changing a lot now actually,

but it's like not, it's not okay to like yourself. It's kind of like so much of our sense of humor is just like self-deprecating and like I think the idea of saying to myself, I love you, makes me so embarrassed. Like it's something that I'm really trying to, trying to shake and trying to get rid of. And you attribute that to growing up in Australia? Partly that. And I think also. starting acting really young and then still going to school. I mean, bullying is probably a strong word, but people were just kind of like, oh, you're that girl on TV, you're so shit.

And I was like, oh, yeah, I am. Like my way to kind of protect myself was to be like, whatever bad thing you have to say about me, I'm going to say it first. Right. So that and that voice became really strong for me, where it got to the point that my natural inner monologue was just self-critit. constantly. And it's a thing that I'm still now trying to like, trying to get out of. The one thing I would say that I think that it feels cheesy for everyone. Regardless of the

culture, I think that it's something that is not a natural nor normal thing to be like, I love myself. I love myself. But one of the things that helped me drastically was, let's say, we take that a picture of you at eight when that guy did the belly thing and you printed up a picture of her and you started to say I love you to her yeah right this is yes this is exactly what my therapist my therapist is all about the inner child I'm obsessed with the inner child it's kind of amazing Lori got leave no I'm kidding no it's such a game changer because you can be one step removed and be like oh there's like still that little girl inside of me that's hurt totally and can we say I love you to that part.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, and then you get comfortable doing that over and over and over again to the point where you integrate those parts and you're like, oh, I'm that little girl. Yeah. Totally. It means to hear that she's doing good and that she's, I am enough. Like.

Totally. And my therapist's way actually of finally convincing me that that work would be useful for me was when we started talking about. me wanting to have kids at some point in the not too distant future. And she was like, if you don't, if you don't heal that, I mean, it sounds so woo-woo, but like if you don't heal that in a child, you're going to take it out on your actual child. It's going to be, it's like, and I was like, shit, okay, I don't, I don't want to do that. Right. I don't want to put this on anyone else, you know. So the way she got me into it is she was like, okay, so if you

can't look because my first response honestly she was like can you love your eight-year-old self and I was like no she was fucking annoying like I was so annoying as an eight-year-old she's like okay imagine that she's your daughter and I was like oh yeah she's okay she was pretty sweet actually it took it took a while to get there yeah it does for most people yeah yeah I still have to work on it I'm still hard on my little self but you know having a daughter it's kind of like I think makes it, I don't know if it makes it easier or just I'm applying it more with her. Maybe that's why I kind of put myself off a little bit. But I don't know how open you are about this, but you said you went and got treatment for depression. Yeah. What kind of.

It's the first time I've talked about it. But really? Why not? Yes. We talk about it all the time. We do. Yeah. It was my first time. It was my first time dealing with depression the past few years. So I'm curious what you turned to to help you. So the reason I actually maybe wouldn't have spoken. about this today, but on the way over here, I was listening to the radio and they were talking about John Federman, who has just, like, gone into the senator who's just like gone into treatment for depression and was really open about it. And I was like, that's so cool and inspiring. And like, we should be able to talk about that. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with getting help. Yeah. No, sure. But a big part of it was my partner. He, it kind of got to a point where I just was not

functioning and he was kind of like, I love you so much. I don't know if I can give you as much help as you need. And that was the thing that clicked me into like, okay, I can't, it's not healthy to be in a relationship and for one person to be like the caregiver. It's just not, it's not sustainable. And so then the pandemic hit and I was like, what else have I got to do right now? So I went to I like shipped off to Arizona, went to like a treatment facility. And I think actually the one reason I haven't spoken about it yet is because I think naturally people hear that an actress went into treatment. They're like, it was drugs.

Right. And like it wasn't drugs. But also, you know, having problems with drugs is also a legitimate thing that people go through. It was like mostly a drug treatment center. I was one of like five people who were there just for being sad. But it was just like, it was like a boot camp. It was like a mental health boot camp and it was incredible. It was just like you have to get up every day at six. You used to like write down your feelings. You have like four hours of therapy a day like group therapy. So much of it felt so

cringy and embarrassing at first. And then by the end I was like, it was wild. Shouting your feelings. Yeah, totally like 100%. Yeah. And it was the scariest thing I've ever done. but it was the best thing I've ever done. It was just like it was huge. And I came out as like a different person. It was really wild. That's amazing. And it's really, it's also like I feel incredibly privileged to have had the means to like to pay for that.

There were a lot of people there who were ex-military who had PTSD and, you know, they got to go. I mean, I feel like everyone should get to do that shit for free. your insurance should cover that. Yeah, agreed. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, but unless you're a veteran, I think to go to a good place, you just have to pay a bunch of money. And I feel really lucky that I was able to do that because I think, yeah, I would just, my life would be very different now. I'd still just, because, I mean, going to therapy is amazing, but sometimes it's doing that once a week is not quite enough. Sometimes you need just a more focused, like, and I'm also just kind of an all-or-nothing person. I was like, well, fuck it. Yeah. I'm just going to do it and literally

just think about my trauma for 60 days. Oh, 60 days. Sounds great. Yeah. It was amazing. It was amazing. Sign me up. I'm like, sign me up. I know. I've been thinking about that, like, recently, because we know someone else that went, you know, to treatment. Like, there's the places you go and you're so removed and you can just focus on it all. Yeah. And I brought up to Olivia, I was like, but if you have kids, how do you do it? Seriously. You know, that's like my first thought. And I guess that speaks to... You put them in trusted hands.

Well, yes. But, you know, I don't know. That's my one, like, anxiety with it. But I think it would be so awesome and beneficial. Yeah. Right. If you have the means, like I... Yeah, totally.

You know, and the focus on mental health, like you said, being open and talking about it openly. Because so many people deal with, you know, all of this. And yeah. it's nice to know that you're not alone. Yeah, for sure. It's also kind of taking a mask off and you end up feeling more acclimated in yourself when you stop trying to pretend everything's okay.

And you're just like, yeah, for me, I've suffered from depression for a long time on and off. And the more open we are about it and with other people, it's like very few and far between don't. Totally. Yeah. And a lot of people don't even have. have, you know, the words to describe what they're experiencing.

They just know something's off or they don't feel right. And the fact that it's not talked about every day is bananas. I know. It's insane. It's really crazy. And especially now with like, I mean, so many teenagers are dealing with social media and everything are dealing with like such intense depression and like suicidal ideation. It's like I think if we keep pretending that this is like an abnormal thing, that shouldn't be talked about that's shameful. It's not. No. You know. Yeah. It's just kind of, shame's a whole other thing. Yeah, I know. Seriously. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And you know, and you think,

like, so grateful it didn't grow up with social media, but now we're raising these kids that it's all around and it's like the relationship with it, the filtering. But also like, how can you not be depressed looking at that all day? It's depressing. It's depressing. I'll have to take breaks. Me too. Like when I was really going through it, I took six weeks off, like, didn't open it. And I had to, because it's such like a sense memory and an addiction, I would just pick up my phone and I'd be looking at the news. Like, reading that was my app to, like, go to you. And that was not any better. As far as the profession goes, but it's just become this addiction.

You can't. And, oh, my gosh. I know. I was off it for five years. Oh, wow. And I actually just went back on Instagram three days ago. Oh, my gosh. So I like, I don't know what happened.

I was just like, this is not good for my brain. It doesn't, I'm so obsessed with it, even though I know that I don't actually care. So what am I doing? Right. And then one day I just stopped looking at it and I stopped posting and I kept my Instagram up and running. But I just did, I didn't look at it for five years. And then a few times I went to go back and I would check like, stupidly check like DMs and have all these weirdo like old dudes.

And I was like, no, I don't think so. Not for me. And then the only reason I went back on is because I have this show coming out. Just a little segue. Yeah, yeah. I have this show coming out and I just, it's like a very vulnerable thing for me. It's the first time I've ever done comedy. It was me just being like, I mean, speaking of shame, I just feel like so many of my choices.

or something that's always, the thing that hinders my creativity is like embarrassment and shame. And so I went into this show because I was like, I need to do something where I just embarrass myself and maybe fall flat on my face in public. I got to do it. Like I just want to maybe fail spectacularly. That's fine. I need to do that because I need to stop being so precious about not making a fool of myself. So I did this comedy and it's, it's, it's,

and like nine other women. There's like not a single dude in it. And it's just this really silly, fun, amazing show. And it's coming out soon. And I was like, you know, this is actually a good reason to be on social media to be like, hi, we want a season two. Please watch our show. What's the call?

It's called Class V07. It's on Prime Video. It is about a 10-year high school reunion at like a Catholic girls school. And while the girls are at their reunion, the apocalypse hits and they get stuck in their school. and it's really fun and it's really all of the girls are like they're the funniest group of people I've ever met in my life

and we just had such a blast making it so anyway social media that's why I'm back because I'm just like okay but I went on it the other day and I posted about the show and then I was looking at all the comments and I was like I couldn't get off it all day and then at the end of the night

I was like okay I'm done with my phone I'm not looking at this anymore and I sat down on the couch with my boyfriend and I was like oh my god I'm depressed like I just had this crazy like serotonin injection yeah and now I'm like because we usually will like sit down and read or watch a movie every night and I'm usually so content doing that I was watching this movie and I was like oh I just like I need a I need like a jolt like yeah I need a hit I need to like click on something I need like I need someone to like like my picture or I need someone to like talk to like talk to like talk to like I need to like talk

shit about me so that I can get, you know, like, even mapped. Yes. Totally. Like fuels me. Do you ever respond? I used to sometimes. Yeah. I did a few times and it was really silly.

Yeah. Because I just got too into it. Why do you have a face on like? No, no, I always want to. Like I get heated so easily. What I do now, though, if there's anything like really negative, I just trash it. Yeah. I delete it.

I'm like, there's no point in putting this out there. I'm not going to respond to it, but I'm going to remove it. Yeah, totally. I don't need that out there. And I don't always, but like if I do see, I'm like, what's the point? Like, why, like, these people commenting, you know, from the privacy of their home, whatever they're doing. And it's like, I know. I just like, put in the trash bin.

Yeah. But I would always have the tendency to be like, someone would say something shitty about me. And I, there was this part of me that always wanted to be like, I don't know what's going on in your life right now. That's making you so hurt. that's making you lash out at me. It's like, stop, stop. You don't need to put your energy into this. So now I just, I mean, I say now the last three days that I've been on Instagram, I just don't even look at the comments that aren't from my friends. I just am like, I have to kind of glaze. Yeah. It's a muscle you have to train. I've had to learn that doing this podcast, which I did look at another one the other day. I've been really good not looking. Because I told her, I'm like, don't read.

It was hurting my feelings. And I was like, okay, you got to get a thicker skin. But I realized I was like, oh, I did get a little bit of a thicker skin because I saw a comment. And it was like, oh, Olivia's snobbery. Snobbery. Oh, I'm so snobby. I was going to say, Rachel and Rob should do it without Olivia because she's such a snob or something. Which is hilarious because I'm like, I grew up with like.

For the thing. Yeah. Nothing. But I realized I'm like, oh, wait, my skin is. is getting a little thicker to it. Right. Where as before it would like hurt and now I'm like, okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Right? You just don't. Yeah, that's the whole thing. Like the best advice I gave her in the beginning was like, don't read them. But of course you can't help it like you're saying like. It's what you're saying though. It's like sometimes you just want a hit of something.

You're like, let me go look at this. Yeah. But you know it's going to ignite you. Totally. Right? Yeah, absolutely. But I think that's the thing. We were sitting here before you walked in.

And I kept going to reach for my phone. I'm like, I don't want to reach for my phone anymore. And so I'm like, just let it be there. But I can feel the pull to be like, let me. Yeah. It's like a, check what? We're all addicted to it. It's really, even when I was off Instagram for that long, there was still something that I was.

On your phone. Yeah. There's always like something to look at. Constant contact. I got this app, you guys. What? I will say it helps so much. It's called.

TikTok. It's called TikTok. You can see girls. without their tops on. No, it's called impulse. I do not work for them. But it's like brain games to help your concentration, to help your peripheral vision, to take like weird personality tests. Oh, I've been like targeted for that before. They got me. But when I need that fit. It sounds like, wait, that sounds like another reason to grab your phone and do something. But for me, I'm like if I'm going to be spending my time doing something, if I need that little

checkout, at least it's something that's building my memory bank or whatever. Well, I had this, yeah, like our kids are playing these games and they're mindless games, you know, and then you're kind of like that balance of like, should they've been playing things that's actually like helping their brain? Yes. But then like a little bit of the, like, is that okay? Yeah. Because, you know, growing up, we definitely like Nintendo and all that.

I mean, I'm going on a whole segue here. but it's all about just being addicted to technology in one way or another, you know. I know. I know. Like even when I'm not on my phone, I watch so much TV. Like, it's fucked up. Woody really. Yeah.

Everything. I mean, right now I'm watching PokerFace, the Natasha Leone. It's so good. I just love her. Me too. She's just like so fun to watch. And it's like serialized, is that the right way where it's a different. Anthology?

Yeah. Yeah. It's great. It's just like she's like an investigator or she's like it's a different like crime every week. Yeah. It's just really like. That's fun. I like something that's kind of smart, but I can also turn my brain off. Yeah. Yeah. I always, you know, I try to motivate to watch all those things and then I am like I can't. I need to just put on The Bachelor or something. Because like I can't like I can't focus once I'm off. But I think that's okay too, right? Like if that's your way to turn your brain off. Yeah. I mean, you know. Right. It's a. another judgment thing where there's so many like judgments or whatever but I definitely come with my reality guilty pleasures. Did you watch the Pamela Anderson documentary? No, I haven't watched it yet. So good. I need to watch that. I feel like you'd like it just because of the messaging in it and like what she goes through and how'd you like it, Rob? I didn't watch it. I saw Pam and Tommy though. I did too. What do you mean? Oh, I didn't. How was it? I liked it but I don't I don't love it. I don't

that Pamela Anderson was like, I didn't want this to be made, and I didn't know about it. She didn't know about it? No. Not when they first started making it, apparently. It shouldn't have great feelings towards it. Yeah. No, no. It dampens the show a little bit.

Yeah, it feels a little problematic. But both of those performances were really great. They did a great job. The actors. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm also, this is so basic, every true crime thing I'm on top of it. Obsessed.

Have you seen the? Sarah Lawrence Call? No. Stolen youth. Oh my God. I just heard about this yesterday. I'm going to watch it tonight. It is. She does it right before bed though And I feel like you do too. You do too. It's cozy. It comforts me. Why? What's wrong with our brains? And it's such a It's specifically like women. Women love it.

Control danger. Yeah. Who was it? Was Teresa? The true, like right before bed? I think it's a thing. A lot of people do it. It's an Australian thing. She's Australian too. Oh, yeah. Teresa Palmer. Yeah. She's such a sweetie. Isn't she?

We're like, we bet they know each other. They're Australian actress. Did you watch the one, it was called the sins of our mother? Yes. Oh my God. I just watched that on Saturday and I was just, my mind was just blown. I was like, how? But it's really, I really question why when I've gone through all the true crime shows, which I have right now, like I have none left.

I've seen all of them. There's a part of me that's like, like, Eddie will be like, what do you want to watch? I'm like, oh, I just want like something murdery. I just want like murdery. Why? It's disturbing. I have a theory. Yeah.

And this is this. Oh yeah. I've said it before, but this is my theory. I feel like it raises your cortisol levels and it raises that it's like fight, flight, or freeze, right? And it takes everything in us to follow the story. We have to know what's going on. So that part of us is activated. You can't think.

Yeah. That's great. Right. I like that theory. And so it's like I think we crave being present so much. that even if it's fear-based, we're in the moment. Yeah, and you don't have to work for it. You're just there.

You don't have to work for it. You're not thinking about your laundry or your to-does or what needs to be done. You're just right there, boom, in that moment. Yeah, totally. That's my theory. In a murderous moment. Yeah. It keeps you, like, engaged.

I know, I know. I can't. Even, like, reading things. I know. The serial killer thing for me is a real problem. Me too. And it sticks in your, it sticks in your brain. It's not.

Oh, yeah. It's not great. No, it's not great, especially, like, home alone. Yeah, I know. I was like, yeah, and you're like watching these documentaries and like, oh, this murder happened around the block. I know. I know.

Oh, great. Yeah. Oh, gosh. I didn't sleep for like, wake up that. That's the one I watched. I was home alone. And I'm like, well, this happened literally in my backyard. Yeah.

No. This was me. No good. But no, because you realize all these things that can happen. That's another thing, though, about Instagram or whatever. Any time it's a news thing. And we know this. is so fear-based. Every single story that they fucking put out there is like the most horrific,

random, like, this could never happen yet this happened to someone and now they're dead. You're like, let me tell you about all these things. And it adds and you get older and you're like, oh my God, all these things can happen. Yeah. And then you start to spin out or I do. No, I'm not everyone. I spin out too. I'm a very, I have like, I have like intrusive thoughts of like scary things happening. I mean, yeah, listen, any, any person listening right now is like, yeah, duh, because you keep watching murder shows all the time. But I do wonder, is everybody like that? Rob, you're probably not like that.

No, particularly. He's like, no, I'm healthy. I don't think the guys are it's into it. Jeff's always like, are you going to murder me? I'm like, I don't know. No, but I just want to live out the fantasy and not actually do it. Yeah, what is that? Well, it's protective to live it out in that way and not have to actually experience it.

Not have to actually kill someone. Yeah, totally. Or be killed. Have you killed? Have you killed? I don't know if I'm ready to talk about this today. Have you guys heard about the, you know, the Madeline McCann story? Yeah.

Wait, what is that one again? Yeah. She was a three-year-old with her family in Portugal and she got like stolen out of their hotel room. Yes. And this was like in the early 2000s. It was like the biggest kidnapping story in the UK. And there was a documentary about it last year, I think, or the year before, which weirdly I wasn't into as much because the story is like nobody knew what happened. And I was like,

no, you're like, there's not going to be an answer. So then my friend texted me, my friend who was also obsessed with this and she was like, have you seen this girl claiming to be Madeline McCann? And I was like, stop. And I went to this woman's Instagram. She's this like 20 year old, like is the same age in Poland and is like, this is me. Please convince the parents to get a DNA test. And now I'm like gripped. I'm just like, oh my God. I'd imagine if this is, like, it's wild. But we don't know yet if it is. No, but she's like, got all these pictures.

I need a conclusion. Yeah, no, now we're going to go all in on that. I know, it's really. Yeah, I think I saw something going around or maybe because the name is so familiar. But it's like true crime playing out in real time. She's like posting on it. She's, I mean, it's hard. Do I need to look her up right now?

I know. I got to grab my phone and Google this Instagram. I mean, the messo thing is that it's a horribly sad story and she is a really. and she is a real person. And like, whether this is her or not, this girl's talking about, like, I've been abused my whole life. And, like, I think these are my parents. And, like, I have the same mark in my eye and I have this.

And, like, I think this is me. I don't remember my childhood at all. Oh, my God. Whether it's her or not, it's like, someone please help this girl, even if the DNA test is not, you know. Did you watch that documentary about the, the, what's it, the hitchhiking? Yes.

You guys. What is it? The hatchet. What is it? What is Kai? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All I'm doing is I'm watching this documentary and I'm like, why is nobody getting this poor kid help?

Yeah. Like, it was all mental health. I know. Clearly. And I was like, why is no one's step? They were trying to give him a reality show. He was on Jimmy Kimmel, like all these things. Why is nobody trying to help this kid?

You didn't watch it, right? Oh my gosh. But that's all I'm thinking the whole time. I know. It's so sad. Why is no one jumping in and being like this dude. That's the reality TV thing, right? Like, I know someone in Australia who was like a producer or something on one of those reality shows.

And she was like, I had to leave. It's okay if it's the bachelor. I won't be offended. It might be the bachelor. But she was like, I had to, like, reality TV is like such a toxic world because essentially what they're trying to do is cast people who are mentally unstable because it makes for good TV, which is like. Right. Especially now that there's a new 17 new reality shows every day. It's like all of these poor people who should be getting help.

And instead they're going on TV to be exploited. I heard something like they're not allowing the girls on The Bachelor. Do we talk about this? They're not allowing them to drink as much. Like there's a limit. As much. Yeah. It's not like they can at all.

But yeah, something like there's a limit now because of something. Was that not? No. Not here? Okay. Well, anyway. I mean, that seems like race. It seems like a good decision.

Yeah. I mean, it seems like on any job that would be a good idea. Like, we're not going to drink during this. Yeah. It depends on the job. I mean, I'm definitely taking a shot before, like, filming a scene. I don't know. How do you handle that?

Yes, I have. Definitely. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I've never been, like, wasted on camera. And it does always feel really naughty. And maybe that's because I was a child actor, or I was. was like, I was such a little goody two shoes. I was like, what are the rules? Like,

I know my lines and I know everyone else's lines too. Like, see, my eight-year-old was fucking annoying. She was just like, I can tell you your lines. Oh, she won't we love to do it. Thanks, guys. I will not hear that about her. No, she was doing her best. But like, I still, the few times I've had, like, a nude scene or a sex scene where I've been really nervous, I'll take like a little nip of something. And it does feel really, it feels illegal. It feels really like, Wow, if anyone finds out, I'm going to be blacklisted. Like, it feels really wrong. But it helps sometimes. Yeah, I actually, yeah, I think I've only done it once, but definitely. Like, yeah, just ease notes.

I'm not, I don't even drink. I don't even like alcohol. Yeah. It's like, I think the actor was doing it. It was like, do you want to? I was like, okay, sure, why not? Yeah. Well, let's do that.

And then let's go get naked. Yeah. But like movie naked. Yeah. Sounds fun. Sometimes movie naked is kind of close to real naked, though. Oh, naked is naked, guys. Yeah.

I know. But usually you have like a little Merkin. Yeah. Some kind of buffer. Or whatever it's called. A Merkin. Isn't that like the pub wig? Yeah. Yeah. I've never had one of those. I kind of want one. A pubic. Like if you're doing like a 70s something, they give you a Merkin. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. What if you played a trick? Like a... Oh no. Sorry. You're like on a date. It's like a little poofy down there. You go in. You're just like...

It's been like a huge murkin? Yeah, and they're like, what? Yeah, the last minute. That's actually a great prank. It's really sexy. Guys, out there, if you ever date me, and it's a little poofy down there. Oh, my answer. I'm just kidding.

I know. I don't know, you guys. I didn't sleep very much last night. No. Don't know what's going to come out of my mouth. That's great. That's good. It's good podcasting.

Yeah. You're doing great, by the way. Thank you. We appreciate how open your being. And I think it's amazing to be able to talk about. things that seem like it's, you know, a stigma with it or, you know, the mental health and your willingness to be naked. Yeah. Yeah. Emotionally and physically. Yeah. Yeah. Physically was always Asia. It's so interesting though. Yeah. I mean, I guess, yeah, I do. I do too. And playing

the roles. And it seems like there's been many. Yeah. Right? Yeah. There's been, there was a, there was a, like a five-year period that were everything I was doing. It goes to a point where my age, and sort of like, can you not be naked in this one? And I just, I don't know, I just didn't. Didn't care. You didn't put some clothes on? Yeah. How was that with your parents?

Was that something? My, my, I just always told my dad, like, not to watch those things. He's like, trust me, I don't want to. Yeah. He's like, no, that's fine. Thank you. Are your parents still together? No, God, no.

They're happily divorced. But we just don't really. talk about it. I don't know. Unless it's a warning. Yeah, exactly. Unless I'm like, don't watch this. But I've tried to tell my mom not to watch things.

And she's like, no, I'm going to watch it. She's like, I don't care. Yeah. My Nana once, I told her not to watch this film. I did Sleeping Beauty, which was very, probably I was negative through the whole film. And it was very intense. And I was like, Nan, please don't. Like, just don't.

You're not going to like it. She's like, I'm watching it. I watch everything you're in and I'm going to watch it. And she watched it and she called me after and I was like, what did you think? She's like, you look fantastic. If I looked like that, I'd be naked all the time too. Oh, love her. I didn't really enjoy the scene where you offered the man a blowjob in the bar.

But other than that, I thought it was great. I was like, okay, thanks, I'm going to go. Bye. That's awesome. I know. She's very sweet. We love grandmas that are so supportive. Yeah.

It's a tricky subject, isn't it? Because there's, no, not the blow jobs, but like, I wish you guys would have watched the Pamela documentary. I know I need to watch it. There's such a fine line of like liberating yourself as a woman and being comfortable in your body. And to me it's like your body's your body, no big deal. Right. But then there's the other side of it where you're sexualized. Yeah.

You know, which is a completely different thing than choosing to do a role. Yeah. Right? Totally. And it's such a fine line of like, I think. think sometimes people view women as being sexualized when in all honesty, they enjoy it or they like it or they're getting something from it. And then also vice versa. Totally. Yeah. I know it's complicated. I think I just seemed sort of like, I don't know. It's always been easier for me to be naked on camera than to be in like

laundry trying to be sexy. Really? Yeah. Because I feel like a lot of the nudity I've done, hasn't been very sexual nudity. I mean, for instance, this film Sleeping Beauty that I was just talking about, I'm naked for a lot of it, but I don't have any sex scenes in it. It's just, it's like I play like a sex worker who, it's really disturbing, drugs herself so that men can like lay with her and they're not allowed to do anything to her. When I was 21, I was just like, this is hell yeah, like this is.

I mean, we went to Cannes with it, which was so creepy because, that was the first moment that I felt uncomfortable about the nudity was being 21, being a can, and having like all of these creepy old European guys being like, I love the movie. I was like, oh, now I feel yucky. It's only after the facts. In the moment, I was like, I'm fine. Yeah. I felt safe.

I felt like. And I felt also it was probably on some level, it was like an adrenaline thing, you know? Yeah. It was like it felt exciting, I guess. I think I've talked, maybe I talked about this on here, but I did a movie and had a sex scene

and I almost lost a role saying, absolutely not. Like, I won't be naked. But when we went to film it, I was like, you guys, take these pasties off.

Right? Let's just go for it. Like, I wanted to do that. Yeah. And I remember, I don't know if it was my, if it was acting with, the director was like,

no, no, Rachel, you might, like, let's just keep, you know, you said absolutely not. Like, let's just not go there. And I did. But even looking back now, I'm like, I probably just should have.

I know, but it's weird. It doesn't feel different thing. Yeah. It's really, yeah, it's strange. I don't know. Well, I also think it was the storytelling in it. Right? Like it was the story you guys were telling and.

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, we were just having that. No, not you. I'm not talking about you, Rachel. I'm just kidding. I remember when I, so I stopped drinking like, I don't know, 13 years ago, but when I first got sober.

I remember I always wanted to do these photos and this and that, never did any of it. And then when I got sober, I did a nude photo shoot. What? Yeah, with Casey. Okay. With this amazing photographer, you've seen them. This is a long time ago. She forgets everything.

But I remember it took me getting sober to do what I actually really wanted to do. Interesting. I had wanted to experience that. You know what I mean? But like the alcohol actually kept me from doing. doing it, which is weird. Interesting. That is interesting. Because usually it's the opposite. Usually it's the opposite. I am dyslexic.

There you go. Well, we like to have some fun with some cards. Okay. Just with the cards. Just with the cards. Yeah. Right. Well, you said you wanted to embarrass yourself and you all. Not take yourself too seriously. Oh, God. Here they come. All righty. You've started dating a guy and discover he's only fond of. following models or only fan type women on Instagram, is that a deal breaker? Ooh. Jeez, interesting.

Um, no. I don't think it is necessarily a deal breaker, but I think that would have to be a conversation. Yeah. But like at the beginning, pal. Well, yeah, I guess it depended on how much I like the guy to begin with. But you'd bring it up. Yeah, I'd bring it up. And if it was...

It's a bit of a red flag. It might be a little bit of a little bit of. of a red flag, but also, again, with my, like, I told you, I have such a desire to be like, well, what's going on for that person? Like, I don't know, maybe he's a sex addict and maybe he needs help and maybe he's actually a really great guy. Right. But if it was like a first date and then I noticed it, I'd be like, I don't need to do this work. Right. You know, that's probably, that seems like a whole thing that I don't need to go on a tank. Yeah. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. It sure is. Okay, this is a good one.

if you have to have sex with the way this is written you have to fuck your man's brother or dad who do you pick that doesn't sound right it doesn't so you don't have to fuck bright red sweating laughing over there

I didn't pick this one though for the record no I picked it but I didn't pick I didn't pick if you had to fuck let's put it in a gentle way I know your boyfriend yeah exactly he may even know my boy boyfriend's brother, I don't know. So here's the thing about that question. I am very close to my boyfriend's

family. Yeah. To both his brother and his dad. Yeah. And so the idea of putting this answer out into the world is just, I think it's unanswerable. It is an unanswerable question because they can totally support that. They both feel like my relatives now and the idea of it is just so icky to me that I can't. I can't. Yeah. I respect that. I totally respect that. I can't do it. But the person that's like totally willing and just answers it right away. They're like, the dad. You're like, oh, man, that dad fucks. You said bowls. You did. I'm enjoying. I don't have a man.

Both at once. The hypotheticals, yes, both hypothetical. But that is a fun game to play with all people. It is fun. Like if I had to choose between your brother and your dad. Oh. What would you do? Or Bob. Oh, we're not going to play it right now. Okay. You're going to have to answer that one later.

Yeah. You're stuck in an apocalypse. Okay. What three items do you bring? Oh, shit. Okay. Oh, man, that's really hard. I'm a pack rat of a person, so to choose only three items is really difficult.

I relate. Let me try and be sensible about it. probably well I mean like a flashlight a water bottle and a gun and a gun do guns kill zombies

personal they'll do personal items yeah yeah they do well I don't know because Dracula you need certain thing I like that you just I like that you say yeah they'll kill zombies like it's real life like yeah let me tell you about zombies

guns will kill them no really what do I need you guys it's usually the brain you gotta smash the brain it's the brain that kills them it depends on where the last of us zombies or walking dead zombies? I don't care any zombies. I'm open.

Let's forget about like survival in terms of just personal items. You're saving them from your house, you know? Oh, I have, I keep everything. I have photos. I have letters. I have every letter that my best friend sent me in high school. So I have a box of probably like a few really important pieces of jewelry, a box of my like letters and stuff.

and then my dog is not an item, but I'm bringing my dog. You're like, fuck the boyfriend, I'm bringing the dog. Yeah, well, he can take care of himself, but my dog is a little baby and he needs me. That's so sweet. Have you ever had a near-death experience? Yeah. When I was six weeks old, I had a febrile seizure and stopped breathing and turned blue. and my family all have different versions of this story.

Like in my mom's version, she saved me and my dad's version he saved me. My grandma's like, I saved you. My parents, like, she wasn't there. But essentially, yeah, actually my mom and dad's version is kind of the same. My dad, apparently, I don't know how he knew to do this, he was a literal child, picked me up by my feet and patted me on the back and blew in my face. and then in my mom, and I woke up, I coughed and woke up, and in my mom's version of the story, she's like, and I heard you coughing, and that's the only reason that I didn't throw myself down the stairs.

She was like, I was ready to, she was like, I thought you were dead and I was ready to be gone. I'm like, wow, that's really not, that attachment is not healthy, mom. Like, that's not something I need to hear that if I'm gone, you're gone, but anyway, that's a whole. I would feel the same way, right? 100%. Oh, 100%. Yeah. I'd throw myself down the stairs.

Yeah. But my mom is also like a very spiritual person and she said that when she, she said that when she like looked into my eyes afterwards, she could tell that something had changed. And she felt like it happened because I like needed to go back for a minute. Like I needed to, because she was always like, you've been here before. Even my, this was weird. My therapist told me the other day.

She was like, you've been here before. I'm like, you're a doctor. Like that's a really weird thing. But it was kind of great. She's like, yeah, my mom thinks that I, like, had, like, a soul exchange or something. Wow. Love that. Have you read Many Lives, Many Masters?

No. Please do. Oh, I will. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. I mean, I love that theory of reincarnation. Yeah.

If I could just, I don't really believe in anything. I'm just kind of like no one knows. But if I could get myself to really believe in reincarnation, I wouldn't be so terrified of dying all the time. think that would be like a really comforting belief to have. That book helps. Okay, I'm going to read it. Yeah, it sounds great. Well, on that note, would you be able to date a guy? That will only have sex with you while pretending to be a zombie. Oh, my gosh. I mean these questions. Yeah. I mean, would anyone be able to date that guy? I don't know. Rachel, tell us about it.

So, okay, you guys. What was it like? Well, the best part is you just get to lay there. Right. While he eats you. Well, that sounds okay. Exactly. That sounds fine.

What's the creepiest thing that's happened to you with a fan? Oh. What kind of fan? An only fan. I mean, this is like note of fun. story. I have like a stalker. Oh no. That's just, that's creepy. Like restraining order vibe? Or? More like we've sent like, um, uh, like human services to, like he's just not well.

Yeah. Yeah. When he lives in Europe, he's far away. Like I, he doesn't have the means to get to me or anything, but he would like, um, when I would be doing press or something in another European city, he was like, I'll see you on this day. Oh. Yeah. freaky. Very, really freaky. But I mean, fan stuff I always, I react so poorly to, when someone recognizes me, because it doesn't happen to me as much as it happens to like super famous people. Like I still mostly move through the world with anonymity. So then when it does happen, I'm like, I get so nervous. And then they take a photo and I look like a fucking dick in every photo because I'm just like clenched up and so scared. I just always always.

find it really weird. Yeah. The worst is when people come up to you and they're like, you're an actor. What do I know you from? And I'm like, I don't know, man. You're going to have to IMDB that yourself. Please. Read you my resume. Seriously. And then they're like, no, I haven't seen that one. It's like so embarrassing. Oh my God. Yeah. The best is like, do you, do you people tell you you look like. I kind of like that one because then I'll be like, yeah, they do all the time. Have a nice day. Oh. I always called her out. I'm like, that's her. Take a picture. I like, one. I like, want to make the other person happy. I'm like, it is her. She had a

tip out of here. Would you rather have a threesome with two guys or two women? Two women. Okay. That's an easy one. That was easy. Yeah, that was easy. Wait, I'm one of the women. Or two other women also. It's fine.

I mean, sure. Wait a second, but I'm like, yeah. Yeah. I just think that women are just like women. They're more. They're nice. Yeah. Yeah. I totally get that. The idea of like male sexual energy can just be so aggressive.

The idea of having double that is like, chill, calm down. It's a lot of dick. It's a lot of dick. Where do they all go? You know, it's like too much. How many holes? Yeah. What's your biggest career?

I won't use the word regret. Like maybe a career choice that if you could do over, you might do differently. Oh. I just, I don't want to go against my rule of talking shit about people. But. But, however. Oh, I have one. Okay.

I was, you know, Winter's Bone? Yeah, Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah. I was sent that script just to audition for it and read about five pages and was like, Boring. Oh, God. That happens all the time, though, right? I was like, God damn it.

I know. Really stupid. Well, we all have those. Yeah, I have quite a few of them, actually. Yeah. We read that you turned down Twilight. That I don't regret. Okay.

Because it's true. It's, well, I don't know if Turned Down is quite the right phrasing. The author of the books was asked before they were turning it into a film, who would she want to play Bella? And she said me. And then I was asked to audition for it, but with that in mind, like the author wants you to do it. But it was not an offer.

And I was like, okay, cool. And I read the book and was like, I don't like it. I just, I was like, I, it just feels a bit, this girl just, I just wanted to like grow a pair. I just wish, you know, there was something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then also, I think, I mean, I do sometimes think about the fact that like both Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson are now. can do any film that they want and probably have millions and millions of dollars. I'm like, that must be nice.

But I also know that when those films came out, they were hounded relentlessly. And I don't think I could have dealt with that. I don't think it was the right thing for me to do. And I say that with all respect to, I think they're both incredible actors. And I also love Catherine Hardwick who directed the, I worked with her after that on a different film. and she's fantastic, but I just, it was, I mean, I, I go with my gut to a fault and I read that and I was like, no, no, it wasn't for you. It wasn't for you.

Yeah. Yeah. I totally get that. Yeah. What do you consider cheating? Hmm. I think it's the kind of thing where you're like, I know it when I see it, because I think that just talking to another person can be cheating if there is,

intent there. However, that doesn't mean, you know, you were talking to this person and you clearly like them. It's more done. It's over. Like, I think that people are fallible and people in long-term relationships have, you know, we're all complicated. I think on some level, monogamy is like a really difficult standard for people to uphold. But as far as I know, as far as I know, I've never been cheated on. So I don't know what would be the deal breaker. I think in some circumstances, if the person you were with got wasted and made out with someone, that would almost be preferable over an emotional connection.

An emotional affair that was going on without you knowing. We always argue about this. Really? Emotional is way worse. Most people go to that. Most people think emotional is worth. What did you say again? Emotional?

Yeah. You stand alone cheese over there. I'm like, you're the cheese. I just don't want you. You're touching no one. Yeah. Well, I think also if it's touching for a sustained period of time that is intentional, that's also really shitty. But I think if it's like a one-time accident, it's still going to hurt like hell.

But it's just like, seems a little more forgivable. Right. I hear that. Which brings up the next question. which is what are your thoughts on monogamy? Do you feel like it's... I mean... Normal? Not really, but also I don't know if I could do things any other way. And it's like...

It's like a conversation that I have with my partner and we're like, huh, monogamy, huh? It's interesting. We're doing it and it's working so far. But I don't know, when we're like 50, Right. If we're still together, it might be like, you know, let's open this thing up, babe. Yeah. How have you guys been together? Seven years. Oh, nice. Yeah. Because the next thing was, would you ever swing in a relationship? When I think of swinging the word specifically, I think of really icky, like, swinging parties and stuff.

Right. I don't think so. I don't think it's really in me, and I don't think it's in my boyfriend either. But I definitely don't judge people who are... Yeah. But I know you're saying at like 50. I remember saying that in my long-term relationship. You're like, well, maybe when we were 50, you know, I'd be, oh, or whatever. But... Yeah.

It's hard to say. Yeah. It's kind of impossible to know how you're going to feel. Yeah. But, like, swapping with a couple. Another couple. I mean, not weird. I don't want to shame people.

I think fine. It's not. It's not for you. Yeah. Not for me. I don't think. What are your biggest pet peeves? Something that I am really worried that I am doing right now,

which is that I listen to a lot of podcasts and a lot of, I listen to the radio a lot. And when you can tell that people have a dry mouth and their mouth is like clicking, oh God, it makes me, I have to turn the radio, it drives me insane. I know the certain like NPR reporters who have like, I'm like, drink some water. Like, it makes me so annoyed by it. It's a huge pet peeve. But I'm bad with, like, mouth sounds in general.

I'm not. It makes me very anxious. Misophonia? Yep. Big time. Like, really. It's real. It's really, really real.

Yeah. I don't even hear it. I would. I didn't even hear it. You guys are fine. I can hear you in the headphones. You're doing great. I hear it.

What makes you jealous? Ooh. jealous like in a relationship or just in like whatever the first thing that comes to you it could be relationship

friendship outside world like what's the thing I think maybe I think the I get jealous of people that are in an amazing film that I would

there are certain roles that I'll see and I'll be like oh fuck even if it's something that there's no way I would be right for. Right.

But there are just things that are... Brendan Fraser in the whale. Like Brendan Fraser in the whale, which actually, it was between me and him for that role. I have to see that so. It's a really like, it's a thing that I don't love about myself because I also don't ever want it to curdle into a dislike of other actresses. I think that's really unhealthy. And I know a lot of people that have that like, fuck her. Yeah.

Like, I really want to be able to feel the jealousy and then be like, oh, instead of hating this person, maybe this is me admiring them. Like, maybe actually I think that person is awesome and I see something in them that I wish that, you know. Yeah. Or it's inspiring or motivating to just be like, oh, that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They say that jealousy points you to your desires. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So it's not necessarily unhealthy. it's just can you look at that and be like, oh, what is it I'm craving?

Yeah, totally. And then the other thing I'm jealous of is people who are really tall. Oh, really? Kind of. How tall are you? Five, two. Me too. Me too.

Me too. We little. But then also, it doesn't really. Yeah, I don't think I could be tall. Yeah. Have you tried? I have. I just can't do it, guys.

Yeah. I think literally you can't. I don't think you can do it. It's physically impossible. But don't you just sometimes say like a. like a woman who's like 5-11, you're just like, damn, it must be fun walking through the world like that. No, because I think I don't, there's just not many guys that are above that. I like a tall.

It's so funny because I'm 5-2 and always like, I need a guy like tall. Me too. My boyfriend's 6-3. I love 6-3. Yeah, 6-2s and I'm like, yes, great. This is where I want to live. Totally. Yeah, I don't know what that is.

I know it's weird. It is, yes. It's just I feel very strongly about it. Yeah. Also about this. Funny or big dick, you can only choose one. Well, if I choose funny, does it mean he has a small dick? It does.

Apparently, that's the... That's the road. Because if it's funny an average-sized dick, then I'm going that all day every day. Right. Kill you. Yeah. But, no, not but, surely. It's like, wait a minute.

Um, have you guys asked this question? We will. Go ahead, Rachel. Right now? Of course right now. Wait, but we're talking like teeny? Just how about, how about, how about slightly below average? I think I could deal with that.

I think I could deal with that. I'd rather that and funny. Yeah. Because imagine a huge, big and an asshole, because they're I mean. Yeah. Rachel's all in. That's your time.

Yeah. Big and good. But imagine like, imagine the reverse, which is like big dick, no sense of humor. That's tough. That's tough. That's really. No sense of humor is an automatic turn off for me. Yeah.

I wouldn't even get to the big dick. Guys, I mean. She's still not answering it, though, guys. No, I can't. Can't we have it all? I know. I want it all. You have to answer it.

Money, fast cars. You're not, I'm not letting you off the hook, Rachel, Sarah Bilsen. Because we can't. Wait, funny and it's just a little below average? A little below average. All right, I'll go there. Yeah, that's fine. Same.

Average is fine. Come on. Average is doable. Yeah, it's great. Only big dick for me. Yeah. I was like, I was trying to think of a version of this for you. No, Rob, that's Robb's version.

What about too big? Yep. Been there? Not good. Not good? Not good. Not good. Good.

No, it's really not. When you're a tiny person, it can be a real issue. It can be like constant UTIs. And imagine that with no laughs. Oh, God. You know, you're just getting rid. Well, we didn't say too big. We just said big. There's a different. I'm going funny small dick. Same. All dicks are beautiful. All dicks are beautiful. Oh, my God. It's true. Please don't send me pictures of yours. No. Oh, my God. Please do not. Un solicited dick. The pics are not welcome here. They're not welcome anywhere. Just stop that trend.

Right? Okay, so what's on your ultimate sandwich? Oh, love this. Pivot. Oh, that's hard. Sandwiches are my favorite food group. Oh. And I like a lot on it.

Yeah, or I just love sandwiches. Honestly, I just am a big fan of a sandwich. Have you had one? Have you had a sandwich before? They're quite good. But you're on the east side. I was going to say, have you been to Bub and Grandmas? Oh, well, their bread is...

But they have a cafe now. They do? Yeah. It's so good. Oh, my God. Wait, okay, you got to build it for us. Okay. Well, perfect...

Your ultimate. Or the Bub and Grandma's, that's your favorite. That's fine. You know, there used to be this sandwich that I would get from this little cafe that they don't make anymore. It was... What cafe? It's not a cafe. It's actually a little...

Cookbook. Do you know cookbook? There's one in the market. Yeah, there's one in Echopark and there's one in Highland Park. Yeah. They used to do this sandwich. Actually, I hope someone there's listening, so you'll make this sandwich game. It was like freshly baked faccaccha, like perfect fecca bread. This like caramelized onion jam. Um, arugula. The arugula had like a little bit of lemon juice on it and then barada. Actually, no, it wasn't onion jam. It was tomato jam. Okay. So it was tomato jam, barada and arugula. That's it. That's it. And it was so good. That sounds great. So good. I'm hungry. I'm hungry too.

Yeah. Oh my God. I had a sandwich right before I came here that was actually pretty good. It was like an English muffin with like a fried egg, but they melt the cheese over the fried eggs so that the edges go like crispy. And then it has mustard, aoli and caramelized onions. And where was this? This is from Amara. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Oh, I haven't had that there. It's really good. All right. Yeah. I'm very... I really like sandwiches. I think everyone should say there's sandwiches.

I think you should. I do. I think this is important. Sandwich talk is very important. What's your ultimate? I just do a classic Italian. From where? Wax paper has a good one.

Wax paper has a good one. Do you do the godmother or whatever? The godmother. What is it? The Larry Mantle. I know, but what's the one in Santa Monica at Bay City's? Lou? Oh.

The godmother. Have you not had the godmother? Godmother? Oh, boy. All right. We have to bring him that sandwich. That's the pregnancy one. Huh?

The one that makes you have the baby. No, that's a salad. The sandwich gets you pregnant. Yeah. But that's funny. That was the first sandwich I ate after having Elliot. That sandwich. Go.

What's yours? Oh, pretty much the same. An Italian sub with like salami. Salami. You guys. Yeah. We're just like hungry. I like it with the pepperonis.

Pepper cheese. Oh, my God. Oil and vinegar. Salt and pepper What is it? Jadenaire. Is that what it's called a jadenaire? It's like Chicago.

It's very Chicago. Yeah. Oh, he got it. Like bread. I do chips instead of lettuce. I love chips in a sandwich. I don't think I've ever had chips in a sandwich. I kind of can't eat a sandwich without chips.

Wow. I know. Interesting. Although I will say Armenian deli in the valley in Tarzana is probably my favorite. It's a wrap. It has Armenian string cheese in it and pepperchees and you pick your, and I do peppered turkey. So good.

It's so good. Sounds really good. You never had potato chips in a sandpit? I don't think I have. Oh my gosh. Even peanut butter and jelly. Oh, I don't know about it. I don't do that.

I don't go there. That's a wild combo. No, it's good. I don't go there. But chips in a sandwich. You have one day as a kid, good or bad, that you can go back and relive differently. What experience do you go to? Oh, wow.

Damn. I have a real. bad memory. So I don't know. But I think... Oh, I thought you were going to say the bad memory. You were going to go back. No, I mean, my memory is terrible.

The memory is terrible. I do remember... I was like, yes. And to tell. So my school that I went to as a kid, my like primary school, what do you guys call the first school? Elementary school? Primary.

was there were like only 40 kids went there and it was like a little kind of hippie like progressive sort of Waldorfie kind of school and we went through a phase probably when I was like eight or nine where we were all obsessed with these little teddy bears and the teachers I mean the adults we call them the adults one day decided that we could have a whole week to just build a teddy bear city out of the whole main room of our school, which is like, that's what school should be. Yeah. I think. I mean, I can't do math to save my life, but I can build a teddy bear house. I love that. That sounds fun. It was amazing. And I still feel like obsessed with like little tiny things, like dollhouses. Freaks me out. She can't help it. Oh,

it freaks you out. No, in the best way. Oh, in the best way. She's obsessed. No, it's like a weird physical obsession. Have you been to the Chicago Art Museum? They have a whole floor. I've heard this. Oh my God, it's amazing. I would die. I can stay in there for hours.

It's incredible. It's like a real thing, the miniature obsession. What is it? I don't know. Yeah, and I bet there's a name for it. I'm sure. Okay, this is a really intense question. Oh, good.

Have we not? More intense than all the other ones? Yeah, we were doing easy. How are you doing it? I told you we'd warm you up, right? Okay. If your dude wanted you to, would you wear a strap on? I don't know what this says about me, but that actually, that question doesn't really bother me at all.

Okay, good. If he wanted me to, too. Yeah. Okay, great. Why not? I said to them, I was like, I mean, I'll probably try it once. Hell yeah. You said it sounds great.

No, I didn't. You said it sounds fun. I mean, I think I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure I've jokingly said to my boyfriend multiple times. Yeah. You want me to wear a strap on? He's like, no, thank you. you. Oh, right. You're like, but please. I mean, I don't have any strong desire to do it, but I definitely

am open. You're open. You're open-minded. Yeah, I love that. I'm open. As long as it's nothing to do with like pooping. That's the one thing that is too. That's where you draw the line. That's, yep, that is fair. Not. Shit does not belong in the bedroom. Nope. Certainly does not. Certainly does not. Unless you're a baby. Yeah. What makes you feel sexy? Oh, what makes me feel sexy? I think when I am, this is so weird, when I've like done something that I'm proud of, like when I've just finished, not even when I've just finished, like when I'm doing a job that I feel like I'm doing well at, that makes me feel sexy. And I think also like specific to my relationship when my boyfriend and I are both at the same like party or something and we're not near each other and we're both having our own conversations and then we like make eye contact across the room. That's like, that's like my favorite moment. I love that.

That's what I find most sexy and other people is when you can see someone in their element and they don't know that you're watching them. that's really hard to me. I love that. Yeah. I totally agree. Yeah. Right. Yeah, it's like...

Yeah. Rob. What about you, Rob? What makes you feel sexy? Same answer. No, what does make you feel sexy? Yeah, Rob. Come on.

I don't have an answer for that. We love making him uncomfortable. Do you think that that's a question that girls answer easy compared to men? Yeah. And more so, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, what would, maybe a different word would be more relatable for a man? I don't know. What makes you feel hot? What makes you feel rock hard? But that's different than feeling suck. I know, I'm joking. You know? I know.

I don't know. We have to ask all our males that come through here. Bench pressing 220. Well, here's the thing is that we have a bunch of really random zombie questions. There's a lot of zombie stuff going on here. Do you know why? I mean, I did a show where I played kind of a zombie. Yeah, that's fine.

We're not just like weird zombie freak. We're just really into the last of us right now. I haven't watched it yet. I haven't either. Okay. No, we did in honor of the... I've had to change all these... We did apocalypse and we went to zombies because that's just where our minds went.

Oh, okay, so I'm thinking of a different show. Yeah, that's what we're getting on... Causes the apocalypse. Yeah. Yeah, I hate to tell you guys, but it is global warming. It causes the apocalypse. I've heard of this thing before. It's not, no, no, no, hang on.

There's no, that's going to make the show sound really boring. It is not, it is, global warming is real and it's a really big deal. Our shows are comedy and we don't talk about it. So it's still fun to watch. But that is what I got it. But it's more, it's not really explained. It's just like there's water surrounding them and they can't get out. And it's just, trust me, we don't need zombies.

It's a bunch of women reverting back to their high school selves and just being ridiculous. That's more flesh eating than zombies. Yeah, 100%. It's not like the new M-night Chamelon movie. It is, it is not. It is not. You guys, there's like a craze. I think people really like zombie stuff.

People like zombies. Just being, like, walking dead with like how many seasons? Is it still on? I think they just finally finish where they're doing spin-offs. Yeah, it never ends. I kind of am like, yeah, I'm a take it or leave at zombie kind of person. But I'll answer your zombie questions. Would you, the way this is written is, would you fuck a zombie?

Oh, my God. If it then saving your whole family. Oh, Jesus. I like that the first question was, the first question was, would you stay with your boyfriend if he only wanted to fuck you like a zombie? It's like you guys really need me to answer whether I would fuck a zombie. I think we're ending it with that one. If it's going to save my family, shit. Yeah.

I guess I'd have to. Sure. Agreed. Sure. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I mean, you're getting eaten, but like you're saving your family. Yeah. But before you're eaten, let's hope bring you the climax.

He's got a big deal. Let's hope he has a sense of humor. Yeah. And then it'll be great. It's a good way to go. Emily, you've been such a trooper. My God. It's really fun. You have been so awesome. I don't want to torture you anymore. No, my God. This is great. This is a great first podcast experience.

I hope that, yes. Like baptism by fire. Yeah. Right. Yeah, we just like to have fun. We did warm you up. You were just so amazing and open and willing. And we're so happy that you came here to do this with us.

Thank you. Wait, there's more. Oh. I forgot. Okay, so we always end with a game. Okay. Fuck me and kill. Oh, Jesus.

Please don't say my boyfriend's dad and brother. It's your boyfriend's uncle and cousin. Okay, we have Army Hammer. Zombie theme. Aesap Rocky and... Danny DeVito. No. That's actually a hard one.

Well, I feel like I'm... Can I... I don't want to get in trouble like Olivia Wild did, but can I fuck and marry Aesap Rokke? I mean, I fully thought she was relatable. They were so hard on her. It was so weird. Yeah. Because she was like, if I wasn't attracted to him before. Yeah, yeah.

Because he was like supporting and being such an awesome. He was filming Rihanna at the half-10 show. And she was like, basically like, fuck yeah. You're like supporting your woman. Yeah. She thought that was attractive. Yeah. That's wrong with that.

Nothing's wrong with that. But like. I think it's maybe because of just the country. Yeah, I guess. Like, oh, now you're going after a saprocky or something. But it was like she was just like, that is so cool that your dude is like fully supporting you. I totally got it. I have a, I don't know, Rihanna. I have a feeling she was probably fine with it. She seems like, cool as hell. She's probably like, yeah, that's attractive. She's like,

yeah. Fuck yeah. That's obviously. Like, yeah. Also, by the way, there's nothing offensive about other people finding your man attractive. No, you want, you like that. I like that. I always want the dude that other people are going to want in a room. Like, that's just very attractive. Totally. 100%. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Yes. Farkei Sabroki Yep Marry Danny DeVito Yeah

Come on Yeah He's amazing Yes Yeah Listen I don't know I don't know

I don't know I think he has a lot A lot of A lot going on Yeah But if I must If I must kill someone You know

He might like it I was going to say Maybe if I tell him I'll eat him afterwards And it'll be I'll be into it Yeah. Oh, God. No, that is exactly what we predicted, although Danny DeVito was a late add-in. But he's a, but he's a national treasure. So why would you? He's Danny DeVito. Also, the only man on earth that I might be taller then. So that's cool. I get to experience being tall.

See, there you go. Manifest Destiny. That's everything I've ever wanted. See, what a beautiful full circle, you guys. Amazing. Emily, thank you so much. Thank you. It was so fun to be here. You're incredible. How you doing, Rachel? Are you both of you laughing? Is it funny? I'm not good either. I know.

I don't know why you're smiling over there. I don't think anyone's good right now. I don't think anyone's good to it right now. Olivia's brother is here. He's joining us? He definitely needs to at some point. Yeah. So is a surprise that he got out?

Yeah. They just say, hey, you're getting out of jail. And then they just let him out with 40 bucks, a bus ticket, and Narcon. Is that how you say it? Narcon. So if he, like, overdoses? Yeah. Unbelievable.

Isn't that a great system? When was he supposed to get out? I don't know. They just, they're like, hey, you're out. And now he's here. Was that your house? Yeah. I'm staying with you.

Yeah. Yeah. On our way home from your house yesterday, Rob. Lou got a voice note from her brother. Want to say what it said? What did say? I got dropped off in downtown Sacramento and I have to take a bus. I'm coming to your house.

You still live up here, right? No, it was like I'll be at Union Station at 2 a.m. Figure out how I get to you. Yeah. Can you help me? Yeah. No ID. No.

driver's license, no wallet, no money, nothing. They just say good luck. And then I said, did they actually say good luck? He said, never. Well, at least this is a reminder that, no matter how crummy everyone else is weak going, it could be much worse. Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. It needs to be exposed. I mean, if he didn't have me to go to, he'd be turned to like a halfway house that's filled with drugs and crime. Yep. You know? Any fuel, hauser.

It's been a heavy week, huh? It's been a week. Rob's, how's your week, Rob's? I'm getting over a cold. You are? I think I got it from Breyer. What? That long ago?

Yeah, it's been a while. I'm on like the tail end of it, So I'm fine. But I don't think the matcha every day has been helping. It's been really dragging it out. Oh, you got sick when Breyer was sick, when Rachel was sick? I think so, like two weeks ago. You did?

I mean, it was a cold. I wasn't like. I don't know. I don't know if you would have got sick from Breyer. Or Calvin. I don't know. Everyone. But I was sick, but I wasn't around you guys when I was like sick, sick.

We were like the day before. We were sitting in a circle together on the floor sharing food. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but that was before you got sick, right? Yeah, that's how it works. No, I mean, but you got sick like the next day or two days after? Everyone in L.A. is sick right now. So I'm not putting blame me.

I'm not putting blame on you. No. I think it's the same thing that you guys had. I also kind of just ignore being sick and pretend like I'm not. Right. Well, Cal goes to school. I'm sure he comes home and he has a cold. He was sick too.

Exactly. Trying to blame me. Everyone's been. Briar. My point was it was the same. Same sickness. I was like pretty sick though. Like I had a sinus infection and stuff.

Like I was not good. Yeah. So you probably just had a cold, which is better. Well, I've been cutting out, I've been trying to cut out matcha just so I can get better. Why? The caffeine? Just, no, the like, high sugar. Milk?

It's, I don't know. I'm getting like in milk. It's making me cough from like. Like, it's like the talent of the cold is not getting better. But then I'm trading that for like caffeine headaches. Right. That's the worst. So it's not much better. No wonder why he said no to a matcha yesterday.

I know. I thought that was weird. I had one yesterday morning, but I was trying to not have a second one. You didn't tell us. You were sick. You invited us into your home. When you get sick, do you get depressed? No. Although this time I was sick, I was like, what if this is just how I feel all the time? Because it was so long, and I'm not used to having cold last how long.

You're like, this is me. Yeah, this is it. This is how I'm going to feel forever. Sometimes I miss getting sick. No, it wasn't COVID. Hmm. Well, you didn't get it from me. I'm standing on record.

Oh, she's really having a time with that one. I already said I didn't get it from you I was saying it was the same sickness You literally said I got it from prior Well You can check the tapes Check the tapes So here's an interesting topic

That came up with Olivia and I Polyamory Oh yeah Yeah and communal living Yeah There's kind of two separate things though I don't put the two hand in hand Because I feel like communal living

can exist without polyamorous relationships. But can it? Yeah, I mean, you can live with people in a house. I just feel like it would be so much easier if we lived how they lived when it took a village. And the village was there to help. Not only easier, it would be better. Yeah.

Like, we'll make dinner together and we'll switch times and you get the kids and I'll take the kids. Yeah. So like my husband needs a handjob. And I just got my nails done. You know? Help a sister out. That's the part that you want to help with.

Jeff's brushing his teeth. I need someone to tag in. Yeah. Right now she needs help. How would you feel about communal living, Rob? That sounds great. Doesn't it? Yeah.

Would Natalie be into it? This is just like help, not, this is not relational. No, not polyammy, just communal living. Yeah, I think she would, well, she has low tolerance for people. So her and Jeff would have their own house. Right. So it was like the right group of helpful people that she was okay with. I think she would be fine with it.

Otherwise, it might just cause more problems where she's like, She's like, ugh, people. Fuck these people. There's usually not two people like that in a relationship, huh? Yeah. It's like one's the people person and one's the one that has a low tolerance for humans. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, are you trying to say that we're both that way? No, I'm saying you like people. Mm-hmm. It's weird because that is true, but personality-wise, she's more extroverted. and I'm more introverted. That's so weird. Yeah. That is weird.

But I like people more and she likes hanging home by herself more. Right. Yeah, I always feel like when we showed up yesterday and I was like, oh no, I'm sorry. We got there at the same time she did. And I'm like, oh, no, she's going to have to see people. She's fine with it. We helped her. We helped her carry something.

You don't love seeing people either, but you love people as far as your people go. Oh yeah, I can hang out on my people all the time, but I don't love people. I wonder what it is that makes some people love people and some people not love people. Well, I think Rachel's is a condition of being famous for 20 years. No. No, because even in high school, I would be like, I'm not, I don't want to go to the mall because I don't want to run into anybody I know. She's always been like that. It's more like internal, like, and the more I think about it's like, is it just like I have this weird nervous reaction.

to like talking to people you know I don't know what you should do yeah let's start a podcast so that's why I do a podcast where all I do is talk no it's it's interesting and I think I think I've talked about this how like

it's either like can be extreme shyness or social um anxiety yeah yeah I mean that's what it is for me this social anxiety

but you go to so many coffee dates like we talk about this which is mind blowing to me Because for me, one-on-one time with people I don't know makes me so nervous. Well, that's also my, like, proactive reaction to trying to solve that. But I also, one-on-one I'm more comfortable with than four people in a group. I don't like group. Groups where I get more social anxiety than one-on-one. Really?

Mm-hmm. Wow. Because I feel like this puts more pressure on you to, like, have a lot. to keep a conversation going. Yeah, but I don't like being the center of attention either. Right. When you're in a group and you get put in that position, that gives me more anxiety than one-on-one. Hmm.

Interesting. My therapist gave me a tool because I had to go to like a party by myself, like a dinner. And I was like, oh, my God, I don't go by. I can't bring a guest. I have to go alone. And she's like, just ask people questions. I was like, you know what, that's so simple. And that was the best advice.

And I felt better. So you're fine in groups, is it, but you don't like one and one? Is it because you can hide in a group more? Yeah, there's not like pressure on me to have to like keep a combo going. Yeah. You know? Like I have to go out to dinner on Saturday night. And I was like, oh God.

It's four people. Now it's five people. And I found that out today. And I was like, yes. Less pressure. Well, I planned a dude's dinner next week. What do you mean? Four other guys and me.

So I'm throwing myself in the fire. Well, are they close friends? Yeah, they're friends. Okay. You know what I found is that people don't really love small talk. And if you can spark something that actually brings up interesting questions or something more personal, it instantly makes them feel more comfortable. Because I think that a lot of people struggle with like the small talk of it all. And even after the pandemic,

I think people struggled with it more because they were isolated. And then having to go back into it felt like pressure of like having, you know, come up with things. Like I went to a dinner party the other night for a girlfriend. And I didn't know anyone there. I knew one person to with, and it was like 12 strangers. And then we got to answering these, like, deeper questions, like, everybody go around and say one thing you love about the birthday person and one thing you wish for them. And all of a sudden, everybody was comfortable with each other because it's no longer, like, having to come up with things to say. You're actually communicating and talking about things that matter to you. And all of a sudden, it's, like, neutralized. That sounds like my nightmare,

though also to wait to have to go in a line to give a speech in front of 11 other people. Yeah, I'd rather that than the small talk personally. Yeah, I had to do that for one of our other, like, podcast launches. And it was, like, a group of all these people. And it was like, all right, everyone's going to say three gratitudes, one by one. I don't like that. Yeah. And it was like 30 people.

And it took forever. And I was just like, this is my nightmare. But then you can also go to a fun one, like two truths and a lot. Yeah. Or you could bring the broad ideas questions and just really, really get in there. Just be like, hey, guys, spit or swallow. I like, but I like a game or like something, like an activity. It's ice breakers.

I can do a game. If it's like a new group and we're playing a game, I can get into that. Same. We should come up with our own game of icebreakers. Yeah, we already did. They're all of our questions. All the questions on the cards are good ice breakers. I really wish you guys would watch this dang stolen youth thing so we'd finally have something interesting to talk about. Wait, is that the one about the dude spreading his seed? No. I've been watching it.

The dad gets out of prison. Oh, you've been watching it. I was like, my brother showed up from out of prison. And I was like, oh, no, is this going to be a cult? He's got a one-bedroom apartment in the city that he's lined up with a bunch of college kids living in it. Yep. Wait, but what's the stolen youth one? It's about a dad getting out of prison and he turns them into, like, a cult.

He was like a CIA operative. You have to watch it, Rachel. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Okay. What else should I watch? I'm going to have to go on a plane at the end of the month I need to show. You sent me a photo

with the caption Fucky Rob on your last flight. Fucking Rob, okay? He's been like, you have to watch in Bruges, okay? And I'm like, it's like a Christmas movie. So I'm on a plane last week

and it's on the TV screen. You know, and I'm like, you know, fuck it. Fine. I'll watch it. It's Christmas. was great. Fucking.

Okay, it was funny. Like, I was into it, you know? It's a dark, dark comedy. Then, I see that he accidentally shoots a little boy in the head. Cheers. And, like, it's graphic. Like, you see the bullet, you know, imprint on the dudes. I mean, it was horrific.

I was like, all I thought. I was like, fuck you, Rob. I was not, I did not want to see that. I don't want to see that. It was awful. It's pretty late in the movie, though, isn't it, when they reveal that? No. Then Terry told my friend, who I was flying with, is like, well, there's one scene I remember from this movie at the end where, like, the other dude, like, jumps from the tower, I guess, and his whole body comes, like disconnected from him, and he's just, like a torso.

Is that true? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I tried to fast forward to find that. Because now I'm like... That's sort of... But he was like alive, but his arms were like... Him and Ralph Fines are running up the tower fighting.

Ralph Fines is the like boss guy. He's Harry? Yeah. The one that's swearing all the time. He's like great character in it. He wants to kill Colin Farrell's character because he fucked up this hit and accidentally killed the little boy. Yeah, he's supposed to be killed the priest

and he accidentally killed a little boy. So this whole thing is he's like, all right, take Colin to Bruges, give him a nice final vacation, and then you need to take him out because that's too big a mistake. But that happens in Bruges. He does the kid. No, there's a flashback. Oh, it's a flashback. Okay. You really pay attention to movies.

Well, I was on a plane and, you know, kids need things. Yeah. So he's in Bruges with him trying to show him a nice time. And Harry's really concerned that, like, he's loving Bruges, right? Like, it's so pretty here and all the sights. And Colin Farrell's character hates it there. He's so bored. He hates it.

Gets into, like, Coke and hookers and stuff. Well, he, like, dates that pretty model actress. She's a drug dealer? Yeah, you find out she's a drug dealer. So no one can watch this now because they're going to know everything that happens. Well, it's an old movie. Yeah, there's a movie. Years ago, so if they haven't seen it, spoiler alert.

No, he did. So the guy who made this movie with Colin Farrell and the other actor just did the... Martin McDonough just did the banshees of and a Sharon. Right, which is supposed to be good. Which is like the same cast almost. Right. The two main characters. Is Clemens Posey and that too? She's so pretty.

What a name. I know. So anyways, Harry comes because he's not going to kill him. He's like, I'm not going to kill him. He's my partner. He doesn't deserve to die. and they go up in this tower and Harry kills Brendan Gleason's character

or shoots him and Brendan wants to warn Colin Farrell who's having like a beer at the bottom of the tower that Harry's there and to get away so he jumps out of the tower to get down there before him to warn him you lost her a long time ago

yeah jumps out of the tower to warn Colin she's not there anymore to get away This is like Sleepy Time Meditation for her brain I know another thing

We can discuss you guys What's that? Like your favorite thing Rob Which is I told you so And you and Olivia both told me Before I went on My little winter adventure I intentionally did not say

I told you so Well I admitted It took everything out of me To not say I told you so So Rob and Olivia Before I went We're like Don't Snowboard

ski, it's so much easier. So I went, the first day I'm like, all right, I'm going to snowboard. It's the only thing I've done. Like, I just got to see if I can even do it. It was kind of like for myself, right? Yeah, you were like, fuck what Rob and Olivia said, even though we talked through all of this. Do you want to know what happened? Let me tell you what happened that day, you guys.

I was snowboarded. Made it down a couple of the, you know, the little run, like a few times. Bunny slopes? No, it wasn't a bunny slope. It was like a proper, like they're a proper first, they call it the first run, right? but it's green. And I make it down, and I do it a couple times. And then I go down by myself and I try.

I'm like, oh, I can do this. I can teach myself how to fucking maneuver the snowboard and, like, carve or whatever, like where you just stay going. I love you said carve. I mean. I would carve out the slopes. I said carve, bra. And like I was doing it.

And then at one point, I did it like twice. And then the third time, I went too hard and I turned around. I went backwards, and I ate shit, like so hard. Like fell on my back. It's horrible. Like backwards. Going downhill. Like really hard.

I was like, fuck. Okay. So I finished doing that. I go to three different, like, ski shops. Can I stop you? Can I stop you? What? I have a question.

Was it fulfilling that you, like, proved it to yourself that you could do that? That I could eat shit? That you could snowboard again. I, I, there's. The only reason why I say I'm happy I tried it is because I know I never want to do it again. I would have always had the question and I would have fucking done it again and who knows what would have happened. Okay, fair, fair, fair. You know what I mean?

Like, because I only had done that. And I'd like to be a hard head like, I can do it, whatever. Yeah, stubborn, I think is a term for that. Yeah, stubborn. I went to different ski shops, talk to the dudes like, you guys, should I try skiing? Could I teach myself? I suck at snowboarding. I've never been on skis.

Every single one of them that day were like, the one guy's like, no, you're going to be using different muscles, like, don't do it. And the other guy's like, no, dude, like, snowboarding's like way better. Like, you've got to stick with snowboarding. It's so much more fun. So I was getting, like, all of this information from these guys, right? From these people you trust deeply. Well, they live there. They live on the mountain all the time.

Anyway, but by the end of the day, I convinced my friend, like, if you're willing to do a lesson, like, tomorrow, let's do. a ski lesson. Like, I want to try skiing because, like, I just got to see. So she had always snowboarded and she's like, fine. Like, I'll do the ski lesson with you. So we'd set it up. Put skis on and I'm like, oh my God, this is so much easier. No shit. Now, now there's more. Okay. So much easier. Getting off the left, you know, all of it. So we do it a few times. You guys didn't have a car with you? You were taking a lift? Very funny. But um, boom. Oh, gee. Oh, geez.

So the instructor's like, okay, I'm like, let's go. Like, dude, put me on like a bigger run. Like, let's do this, you know? Did you say it like that? I did. I was like, bro, come on. Did you go, can I ask another question? What?

Did you go and, like, buy a cute little ski outfit also in the morning? No, but I really wish I would have had one. Anyway, no, I was still in my same snowboarding gear. So I did it. And I got to this one point, and the way my friend describes it to me, which I did describe to you guys, was there's like one really steep part of the run. And the instructor was like, just pizza all the way across, you know, and then turn and go back. But he was working with me on parallel turning as well, like on the less steep slopes. So I catch speed, like, massively.

And instead of doing pizza, I wind up racing down this mountain. Like in short parallel turns, like whoosh, whoosh, whoosh. Like, my friend Terry was like, all I see is like, holy shit. Like her and the instructor looked at each other and they were like, that is like fucking amazing form. Like perfect form going down.

But what they didn't know is like I had no control. Totally accidental form. I was so fucking scared. I had no control. And I was like, oh my God, I can't stop. And I finally like made it down a little further. And I just like slowly kind of fell to my butt to stop me because I had zero control over the skis. Do you get those poles?

You just jam them in. You can't use those to. stop, Rob. Lucas told me. You got a pizza hard. But sometimes you're going so fast that you're pizzaing and it's like, it's not pizzaing. Yeah. Dude. You use that everything you have at your

disposal to try to slow down. Oh my God. But it was pretty funny. She was like, okay, we're done here. You are a master skier. Like, if I would have. I was done after that run. I was like, okay, I did it. I'm good. I skied. It's easier. I'm out. So the next time you go back, you

will ski or snowboard? Well, I think you should privy it to yourself that you can snowboard. I'd like to go tubing. But I will, I'm going to have to because my daughter really likes to ski, so I will ski. But even the thought of it now makes me nervous. I caught way too much speed, you guys. That's scary when you catch speed. Yep.

And my daughter was going down blues, like no problem. Yeah, guys. So also it brought up that, you know, when I am being a single mom, like when I'm alone with my and we go on these trips or whatever. Like, I have to do everything. Like, both parent roles, whatever it is, I fucking had to hit the slopes. You know what I mean?

You got a dad up, too. Where was Breyer when you were tearing up the Black Diamond? She went, when I did my ski lesson, she was with her friend's dad and her friend and brother. But the kids, the first day, had their own. lesson where they just took them all through all the runs and everything for a few hours. So it sounds like you didn't have to double up duties? No, I'm like, I physically couldn't.

But I did. She had to be out there and like, I had to be out there and try to do it. I mean, wrong. Yeah, like, I legit stay at the cabin. Right. Yeah, I guess that's true. As a dad, I don't even consider that as an option. Right.

of like Calvin's going skiing, I've got to go out there too. Right. And I don't mean to be obviously not sexist at all. But like I think about that like, okay, Elliot's at baseball, right? And if you were in that situation, Jeff's out there on the field with him. And that's keeping him engaged. And he's like helping with the coaching. But like, if I picture, if you picture what?

You, me? You at the game out on the field. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you would be out there? Well, I would do that, though. Like, I like that. I know. That's why I'm laughing because I'm picturing it.

I would be bored if I had to just sit in the cabin, though. I'd rather be out there skiing. Right. I hate winter sports. You'd rather be sitting in the lounge? Not even at the place. Okay. You're just back at the wherever you're sleeping.

Yeah. Like, I used to, when I used to drink, I used to love to be at the lodge and just have a little little hot toddy or cold beer in the snow. So what are you going to do when we take our mammoth trip? Are we going with kids or just adults? We're going with kids too? If we're going with kids, Olivia's skiing with me. Yeah, if we go with kids on the ski.

See? If I go, I probably have to bring at minimum Calvin. Right. So if the kids are going to ski, then I'll do it. But outside of that, if we were going all adults, I'd be like, you guys have a good time. I'm going to read a book by the fire. Yeah. I mean, if my whole family is coming, Natalie will do that with Vincent.

See? Will she be bummed about it or she'll be like, cool? No, no, no. She would rather that. But also, there's not other option. It's not like we're going to strap skis on Vincent and figure out how to ski before you walk. Right. I saw these little kids boarding and it was the cutest thing I've ever seen.

I think Shepard's going to shred. He's going to fucking shred. He's going to demolish that mountain. He is. See, but I like tubing. Like, why can't we just tube? You know? Do they have tubing there?

I don't know. Do they? I mean, I guess it probably exists somewhere. Tubing? Well, no, they had options like in Utah. I don't know. It's fun. I like that.

I want to tell you guys a story about someone that really affected me this week. Is it Rachel? This is serious. Okay. Okay. Why is Rachel laughing? This is real. Why are you laughing? I'm not. Okay. Jeff's dad wanted to go to Morton's for a stake. Down the street from us in Wooden Hills, we went and the waiter came and he started telling us the specials. And I was so taken by this person. Okay. The way he was telling the specials made me feel like he really cares about my specials. my mouth. He cares what goes in it. He cares how it's going to taste, how it's going to feel,

all of it. I was like, okay, I have a question. Are you this committed to what you do? Or is this like phoned in? Do you get sick of saying it? Like, tell me, because you're so incredible at what you do, I feel like you actually care. And he was like, you know what? I've been working here for 12 years. This is my passion. This is my life. He's like, I really, really, really care about what people are going through. So the whole experience, this guy, Derek, was so next level. Just I felt so taken care of, you know. And I'm like, this doesn't happen a lot.

So I called him over and I said, Derek, you know what? I just want you to know. I think you're exceptional. And I think you're incredible at what you do. He looked like he was going to cry. He looked at me, he's like, I feel like you see me. He's like, I feel like you're proud of me. He's like, I feel, it was like I gave him an Academy Award, okay?

And Derek and I are about to start crying. My eyes are rolling up. His eyes are rolling up. What's Jeff doing while all this is happening? The minute Derek walks away, Jeff's looking at me and he's like, Settle fucking down. I'm crying, Derek. That was going to be the punchline.

We're both like crying. The guy was like, I've never felt so understood. And he's like Wednesday through Sunday. I will go back there to see him. He's special. He's so good at what he does. It made me feel like I want to be a better person. I want to be better at what I do because of the way he took care of us.

Can we go to Morton's this week? Yes. But only when. Wednesday through Sunday, I will never go another time. And I will go back just to sit with him and see him. I love a steakhouse. I love a steakhouse. All right.

I will go to Morton's with you guys. If you come somewhere with me, that's not Morton's. Yeah, like somewhere going to be fucking bougie as fuck. Yeah. Let's go to Meteora. I don't even know what that is. Rachel, what's your steakhouse order? Well, it depends.

But there's so many options that they really can fucking stand behind. Is it steak? It's steak. Like, I want a fucking loaded baked potato. You know what I mean? If anywhere has a twice baked potato, I'm so, like, all in. Right? Okay, so baked potato steak.

I always get a wedge salad. Oh, a wedge. Love a wedge. The cold, crispy wedge with the salt and pepper. But I get it with ranch instead of blue cheese. Oh, no. Yeah. I love ranch, but I don't fuck around.

And then the steak, the cream spinach, the baked potato, and I like mushrooms, but we know how Rachel feels about that. Yeah, I don't know. Steakhouses are usually just too traditional for me. Yeah, he's so fancy with his food options. I don't even, it's not even that it needs to be fancy. It's that I like it to be a little more creative with the flavors and everything. Are there any classics, though, that you like? Like, that's why I like steakhouses because you know what you're going to get.

And it's like, okay, you're going to have that cold little salad and you're going to have your steak and your potato. And it's like almost nostalgic because you can count on it. Do you have any meals like that? I mean, I'll get steak. I don't not like steak. I just usually a steakhouse is primarily doing steak with like simple sides. That's not my go-to. Love the simple sides.

This meteorola place has a grass-fed waggoo that I liked. Of course he did. Or there is this place Vaca down in Orange County. They have a really good steak, but they also, it's like tapas, so they have a bunch of other really good stuff too. Rachel, when you go to the smokehouse, do you get the baked potato or the gratin potatoes? Well, I think I could switch it up, but I don't focus too much on the potatoes. Last time I went, I got the baked potato.

But all I care about is that bread, the cheesy. bread. Fucking cheesy bread. Do we need to take Rob to the smokehouse? I'm going to the smokehouse this month. Why? Because it's my mom's birthday and that's where we go every... That's where you go.

That's where we go for all the birthdays. I'm so jealous. You can come. I want to come. I had to pick a restaurant anywhere in L.A. for like Hard to Dixie dinner with all the executives in the head of Warner Brothers. Why are you doing that? And I picked the smokehouse.

No, this is when I'm... was doing the show. Oh, so you're doing it now. You're rebooting Heart of Dixie. I wish I could. You could. You should. That was fun. I'm going to start working on my southern accent. Yeah. Me too. You miss Harded Dixie. It was such a, you know, it's a wholesome show. I love that show. I love those kind of shows. I love a show where you can sit and watch it and just be like, you know what? Everything might just be all right. right in the world. Yeah. And that's what Harda Dixie does.

Rob, you have to watch Heart of Dixie. Imagine. Yeah. We're like, we're going to go to the Smelt Cows and watch Harda Dixie tonight, Rob. I'm busy. You're welcome for that Derek story. That was a beautiful moment. I'm happy you experienced that this week.

I'm happy for you. Honestly? Have you shared that experience with us? It was the highlight of my week. May sound simple? I think everyone can aspire to be able to find a moment like you were able to have Morton's stakehouse with the server. I didn't have any pivotal moments like that this week. Did you go to Mortons and meet Derek?

No. Well, to me it just shows like it's not as much about what you do is how you do it, no matter what you're doing. I wish I could do anything without much care. I feel like those little qualities that tend to be overlooked in people and I found it to be quite beautiful. It is beautiful. All right, guys.

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