Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Enjoy the Fall with Matt Rogers

Episode Date: December 8, 2025

Rachel and Olivia sit down with comedian Matt Rogers to debate the real start of Christmas season, unpack superstitions and anxieties, and dream up their own theme parks.See Matt's live show Christmas in December now at mattrogersofficial.com!Watch the video of this episode here!Like the show? Rate Broad Ideas 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyAdvertise on Broad Ideas via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Gosh. Anyways, Matt Rogers. Love him. He has a special, a holiday special touring this month. You should all check out. He's amazing. Check him out. He's a gift himself.

He is like a little warm fall latte. Listen. Learn. Love. Laugh. Happy to be here. Thank you guys for having. We're happy to have you. We are having. We are having. You will be had. What are you having? What's in the cups? Well, we went a little rogue today. We did. Go on. A cinnamon dolce latte from Starbucks.

Fuck off. Right? Okay. I know. That's very holiday. I know. It is very holiday. And I feel like, when do you, let me ask you something really important. Let's go. Let's get into it. This is actually important. When do you actually switch over to holiday? Okay.

So even though I have like interest in people being into the holidays because I do a whole holiday bit. Yeah. I have to say it's gone way too far. And I would never like sort of speak ill of the queen, aka Mariah. But it feels like she dictates when it starts. Like she's the ground dog. Right. Okay.

And she comes out and is seeing her, she is like seeing her shadow or not, whatever it is too early from me. Like, I feel like we're losing fall. Agreed. We're losing November being fall. Like November is now like almost like pre-Christmas in a way. It's when I call my show Christmas in December because people need the reminder, it seems. Yeah, you're like, hello. People say that November 1st is when it starts because that's when they defrost Moriah.

Like that has been said. That's like it's it's sort of unacceptable to me because I feel like with October October gets so eaten up by this concept of spooky that I feel like it's not fall because spooky is not fall like spooky is it's its own thing. Oh. Fall is like it's cozy. It's like it's cozy. It's vibes. It's like it should be getting more. Like really what should be happening is fall should be September, parts of October with some like, you know, some room for spooky towards the end. We resume fall all throughout November and then it's Christmas in December. But what's happening is because it's so hot in September now, global warming, let's bring it, let's bring it up. Yes.

That like fall's completely lost. Then we get into Halloween, which is like the spook covers the fall. Then November, it's already Christmas and we've never had fall. We've never gotten to like even look at the leaves. Let me tell you something. I went into a hobby lobby yesterday. Yes, I did. I know it could be controversial at times.

But sometimes you got to do what you got to do. You got to do what you got to do. You want to know why. All of their fall decor, 75% off. Okay. I am talking a $35 wood tray for your centerpiece on your Thanksgiving table was $9. Okay. So in the whole realm of things, you know, going too fast, it's not even Thanksgiving yet.

I'm not mad at it because I need this. things and I'm getting them on sale. It's $9. But they're already there. Christmas has thrown up all over everything. And I even had, I saw things in October. Yeah. No, Bowen and I just did a Marshall's partnership. We're doing a holiday thing for Marshalls. Went into the store. It is all Christmas already. It is almost as if we're living in London how Thanksgiving does not exist. It's like. Here's my question. There's not a person. I've met or spoken to that is on board with it. Who's doing it?

Because when you... Corporations. Yeah, when you go to the people, we all want the same thing. Who's not obsessed with fault? Who doesn't love it? Who doesn't like the little pumpkin spice? Somebody crunch the numbers. Somebody crunch, here's what happened.

I'm a pumpkin spice icon. Let me tell you something. If you were to draw a picture, if you were to draw a picture of me, it would be of me with a pumpkin spice, leaving the Starbucks, listening. to probably blank space by Taylor Swift on my way to like Disneyland. I'm sick. You're my perfect person. Yeah.

And I knew that. And I have always known that, Rachel Wilson. Honestly. And I have always known that. Yes. I feel so connected to you right now. But like my thing is like I think that somebody, somebody big up went ahead and crunched the numbers and said, you know what?

People, the monocultural capitalist like thing of Christmas, we can actually start earlier, so we will start earlier. I think they said Christmas is more valuable to us than holistically fall is. There's something about like Halloween drives money and Christmas drives money and we're losing fall. We're losing it. I have an idea. I think we should write a Thanksgiving movie that is set to save fall. Like every Christmas movie.

That's the title. Set to save fall. Every Christmas movie is like we have to believe in Santa. We have to save Christmas. Like, I feel now after this conversation, we need to save autumn leaves. Like, and the whole five of it. And that would be a really good holiday movie. As I've gotten older, like, I really appreciate the holiday of Thanksgiving.

I'm not talking about the historical things that they taught us growing up. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about cooking and eating and just being with loved ones, friends or family. And that's it. There's no pressure of presence. There's no, you know, anything. Oh, I have something on my shirt. I also fuck up a holiday sangria.

And I say holiday meaning Thanksgiving. Like, I know it's not hard to do. No, I want to hear. Essentially, you just put all things in a bowl. Yeah. I do have a recipe. It's like two full bodies of like two full bodies. Two full bodies of people.

Two full bodies of people. Oops. And you find out I'm Dahmer vibes. Dommer vibes. Two big bottles of red wine. I do like a cabernet. Glug, glug, glug. Put it in there.

Chop, chop, chop, chop, apples and oranges. Little bit of, a little bit of triple second there. A little bit of your brandy. Kind of go for it. Cut it with some ginger ale. Then, like, let it sit.

And I get people so fucked up on this holiday early. Because it's like, oh, we're going to have drinks. So I guess I'll have the like the drink that Matt made. Everyone's fucked up and they get mad at me because they're drunk a little too early and then I end up drinking all of it. And then I'm like puff. I'm like puffy for like a week. Is this with family or friends or where does this happen? It really depends.

Everyone in my life at this point still likes drinking. You're not hearing that much anymore. No. No, I can feel it's start to slip too. There was actually a little while there where there was a little while there where. I swear to God. Well, my last boyfriend did not end well at all, but, and he became sober. He was one of the bodies.

Yes, he's on. I think I was his body, unfortunately. He's now in the sangria. Yeah. Right. Weirdly after that, like, I wasn't trying to do this, but like five or six guys I dated in a row were sober. Oh. And I was just like, okay, interesting, which is great.

But I'm just the kind of first dater that gets. a little drunk on the first date. I don't know what that says about me, but I kind of like to loosen up with some cocktails. That's my ideal, like, sort of, you know. Yeah. First date vibe is like we have two to four drinks and, like, hopefully make out. But it was not, it was not happening there for a little while, which is fine.

I can hang. Yeah. But now I have a boyfriend and he drinks. Yeah. Do you want to know my theory on that? Because I am sober. I think that you like alcoholics because they're fucking. amazing people.

They're so hard. They're fun. They're charismatic. They're all the things like, I love an alcoholic. You're just like, what is it I like about you? And then you're like, oh, turns out you're an alcoholic. That's it. It's not necessarily untrue.

And I would also say they're absolutely incredible in the sack. Oh, love that. Because they're not thinking of anything. Right. They're not thinking of anything. They're just thinking. No. They like more.

They're just like more. No. You want to have good sex, date someone who doesn't have it figured out. People who have it all figured out, boring in bed. Oh, my God. Someone who doesn't have it figured out. That is incredible. If you're single, if you're single, find the most chaotic people you know.

Just have fun for a little while. So true. The most chaotic people. Where would you meet a chaotic person in your mind? I'm sure they're up in all our Instagrams. Like, you know, just look for the people that feel like the most bold. You know what I mean? Like, I got a DM probably a few weeks ago.

And I'm not really on the market anymore. But, like, I got a DM and this guy was just like, you could tell he was a little crazy with how familiar he was being in the DMs. And I was just like, let me check out the pictures. And I was like, uh-oh. I started to get sort of horny. And I was like, no, bail. Bail. I know what ends badly.

The familiar. That is such a good point. I actually hate that. Hate. Like you don't, you don't know. You do too. Like, rage? Like, you call me rage. I don't like that when people nickname you too soon or they're like, like, if people are like, all right, oh dog, you know, I'm like, what? Oh, dog. Have you ever been O dog in your life? Yeah. There's a few people that call me O dog and I like it, but it was earned. You know what I mean? They earned it. And they're like, all right, oh, dog. But when it's. Does that date us? O dog? Yeah. Like putting dog. think so. But I will say there is something vintage about dogs.

Right? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's Randy Jackson. It's Randy Jackson culture. Oh, my God. But even before, wasn't it in like menace to society? We're like way dating. Now we're really really vintage. Like, no, I think menace to society is really back. I love menace to society. I love you.

You? I love you. Yeah. Are a very good. See, and I have to tell you that like, I was actually pissed off that I couldn't be in person. Yeah. Because on our podcast, Lost Couch, Bowen and I don't do guest episodes anymore that are virtual because the vibe is so good in here. And I was like, I hope they still say yes to me coming on, even though I couldn't be there

in the esteemed headgum studios where all the grades go. Yeah. It's okay. You are our very best Zoom. How are you guys liking being podcast icons? How do you like it, Rachel? icons. I love. Thank you for saying that. I really appreciate it. But how did you feel about taking the mantle of podcaster on? Because it has a little bit of a

connotation at first. You're like, oh, God, podcaster. But then you realize it's a beautiful thing. Yeah. It's like saying influencer, right? At first. And you're just like a little bit. A little bit. But is it? I don't think so. I don't know. Here's a question for you. How do you feel about it? Like, do you ever say it? Well, yeah, okay, so I still have to be like, but it's gotten a little bit better over time because, like, I really do feel proud of our podcast. I will say we started it almost 10 years ago. Wow. Like, I think, yeah, it's coming up. I think March 9th, 2026 will be our 10 year anniversary.

Holy shit. And that's going to land right around 500 episodes. And I remember when we started in the beginning, I was like, are we really going to start a podcast now in 2016? Isn't it late? I thought they were done. I thought like Mark Marin did a podcast and it was over. I was like, is that really going anywhere? Lo and behold, it's like now the best thing I ever did.

And, you know, it's, it's a thing that I feel like, not that I ever felt embarrassed of the word podcaster, but it's just a weird word. You know what I mean? Like I'm a podcaster. Right. You're right. Like, yeah. What?

I was going to say, you know what I find weird? That I, everything I do feels weird. real fucking embarrassing to say. So if anyone's ever like, what do you do? I'm like, what's up? Cheryl? Like, I'm like, you know what I mean? Yeah, but you know what? They'll release the shame. Yeah, exactly. Climb cringe

mountain and slide down into Nirvana because we're podcasters and we're here. And we're here. I just love that you went Cheryl. I don't know. I'm just so like, like, like if someone were to say, what do you do? And you're like, I'm a Hollywood producer. I'm a big Hollywood producer. That's one thing. You know, and I feel really-

And this is Cheryl Crow. Yeah. And then she takes it away. She says all her accomplishments. Yeah. I just am like, you, you. But I do love saying that I'm a big Hollywood producer because we feel like Muppets when we do that. We feel very like, ha-ha.

No, she's Muppets take Manhattan. You guys are very Stattler and Waldorf. That's who we are. We've always got it. You know. Are you guys, are you guys, bolted to? those seats. You find out you're being operated.

That's how Bowen and I feel all the time too. We are. That's, you know, I just feel really seen and I appreciate you. That was us far before we had a podcast. We would send each other pictures of that. Every time we would side text about our friends, we would send each other those pictures because we'd be like, ma, ma, ma, that's us. So you were already commentating, just not before mics.

Who isn't commentating, though? If we, you know, like, if you really think about it, who doesn't? You know, I want to- If you're not commentating, what, like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Can we talk about this? This is serious. I really want to know your opinion on this.

How do you feel, it's like an issue? How do you feel about talking about others behind their back? What are your parameters? Like, literally, give it to us. Here's the thing. It's going to happen either way. and I feel like if you're talking about someone behind their back, it's interesting because I recently found out that I was a topic

in my like extended group of friends and I was not a part of it. And I was just like, I kind of came around to the fact that I was like, look, we're in a group of friends. We're going to talk a little healthy bit of shit about each other, probably because it's probably based in some care or concern. Like if I didn't give a fuck, You would never come up in my life, in my mind, in my thoughts, you know. But like, like recently, so I'm just going to be real about this.

Yeah. The topic, the topic of whether or not, I love that you both got your tips at the same time you said, oh, he's getting real. Here we go. Take a sip. Wet the whistle. The topic of, you guys are so me and Bowen, it's funny. Do you guys ever, like, make the same noises in response to things?

Oh, yeah. Stimuli. We finish each other's sandwiches. That's what, she was probably. going to say. But anyway, the topic of whether or not one of our friends is vaping too much came up. Oh, okay. And this has become a real thing amongst, like, people I know that, like, would rather

not smoke cigarettes. But so they got into the vape and it's so much more addictive. And I have to tell you, someone in my life just had to go to the doctor about it. And the doctor was basically like, listen, you want to die? Keep vaping. Keep doing it. You will, like, it will happen sooner than anyone thinks. Like, young people are getting serious stuff with their lungs, like, getting cancer earlier. Like, it's something we have to, like, get out there.

It's so bad. And so that's an example of, like, talking about a friend of mine out of concern. You know what I mean? I'm talking about because I want, like, a friend of mine to be healthy. I want a friend of mine to, like, not be reliant on this thing that you know. is hurting them. And so if that's the case, then like, whatever. But by the same token, I'm allowed to say your boyfriend's ugly.

Sure. You know what I mean? Yeah, if you think they're ugly. Even if they're hot. Like, I had a hot ex-boyfriend and my one friend goes, sorry, his eyes were too close together. And I was like, that's your opinion. You know what I mean? I never would have thought that.

I can see objectively why you think that. But now it's all you think about. Well, whenever I want to hate him a little bit, I'm like, yeah, well, his eyes are too close together. Isn't that the best? It's so hard, though, if you think about that, when something gets pointed out to you, you can't unsee it, you can't unhear it, and then it's just in there. Has anyone ever told you you used, like, a phrase or a word too much? And then you never realize you were doing it.

Apparently, I use the expression, not for nothing, like, all the time. Like, not for nothing, but I use that expression. Guess what? I will now use and overuse that. I'm so suggesting. It is my gift to you today. Thank you. It being already Christmas despite what we want.

Yeah. Not for nothing, but I will use it. No. Wait, and that's not a common one at all. No, it's not. No, it's because my mom used to say it growing up. It's like, it's one of those things that's like in your DNA because like a parent or someone influential, like, did something a lot. Like I'm superstitious because of my mother too.

Oh. And it's like a curse. Okay. Like what? Give us examples. What do you have to do? Mama, what not? Like I can't.

I can't walk under a ladder. No. If I see a black, if I see a black cat coming across my way, I will go. I'll be seven minutes late. Like, because I'll have to turn around and like do whatever. You move. You go to another city. This isn't a crazy one, but like cracks on the street.

Like I don't step on cracks. Like I will sort of skip over them. Yeah. What else? What else? I mean, oh, cracked mirrors, certainly not. Very traditional. So I'm with you so far on all of these.

Then there's a weird one. And tell me if this, you've ever heard. this one. What? Wearing socks in the bed. I mean, I just can't do it, but I didn't know it was a superstition. I didn't either. What's the deal? The boogeyman will come out of the closet and kill you. I don't want that, you know?

Who does? I don't. Some kids are people, real kinky people. Yeah, they got to be. Some American horror story freaks. But, like, no, my mother said to me, like, I guess my uncle, like, terrified my mom when she was little and said, like, you know, if you know, if you You wear socks in the bed, the boogeyman's going to burst out of the closet and kill you.

Have you ever tested it? No. He's like, I would never fuck with socks in the bed. Like, I can't do it. Like, and it's not, you're also right. It is uncomfortable. No, it's the worst. The only time it's okay is if you're camping and it's freezing.

Yeah. Yeah. Listen, you got, again, it's like Hobby Lobby. You've got to do what you got to do. Exactly. Not for nothing. We just call it hobby lobbying. Yeah.

Yeah. That'll be our phrase for it. That is our phrase. Yeah, superstitions, like, I had to, like, let go of one because it was, like, way to, what's the word I'm looking for? Like, inhibiting. Like, I couldn't. I always more like, my grandmother's medal when I flew. And if I didn't have it, I'm like, oh, I'm going to die.

And I was like, I have to stop wearing it because I can't be that reliant on it. Do you know my favorite story about someone who's afraid of flying is Megan Fox. Have you heard this? No, no. Whenever she's on planes, she listens to Britney Spears. the entire time because she knows it's not her destiny to die listening to Britney Spears. But what if it is? Like, what if it is?

She knows it's not. She knows it's not. So that's why whenever I'm on planes, I do think about, like, what am I listening to? Well, it's not even like, because I do think it probably is my destiny to die listening to Britney Spears. Like, that's what separates me and Megan. But so, like, whenever I'm listening, if, yeah, that's it. Maybe.

But I literally, like, whenever I am on planes now, I do think about what I'm listening to. And I'm like, now, is this fitting for if we go down? Oh, my God. So I only basically watch reality TV on airplanes. So now I'm going to be like, love is blind. That's it. Like, that's my end show. No, I think you, but you have to do.

What Megan's saying is you have to do something that's unexpected. So you need to watch something. It's like she couldn't have died. watching that. But the reality show we'd buy into. Here's the thing. Or you can look at it like this. Like, listen, if I go down, I want to go down doing what I love.

And for Rachel, that is watching loves wine. Obviously. Yeah. Yeah. She died as she lived. She took it into reality television. That is. Unable to look away.

Gosh, that's got me thinking. I know. Now I'm going to be thinking about this. I know. And this is the curse that was placed on. me by my mother. Thank you for sharing. Well, listen, that's how curse is work.

You have to pass it on. Didn't you see smile and smile too? No. But I heard that's what it was. Do you knock on wood every time you say something that we all do? Take a moment to knock. Thank you. Just take a moment to knock wherever you are.

And yeah. And if you don't have wood, naturally you do your head. How do you feel if someone pulls out an umbrella and opens it in the house? I feel horrible about it. I don't feel good about it at all, especially because, like, probably it's wet. Yeah. I just feel like umbrellas, like, should be staying outside the house. Like, you know what I'm saying?

It's like, don't bring it in. I just, and I don't, like, it's like you were saying, like, I don't want any of these things to be debilitating either, but, like, I have one of those, like, anxious minds. Yeah. That, like, did you guys see a Humph inside help too? Yes. So like, oh, yes, yes, yes. Maya Hawk voiced the character of anxiety, and that's when I realized what that was. It was like, oh, it's racing to the every possible outcome in a second and deciding that any of those things could happen.

Like, I guess it's like sort of like a doomsdaying in your mind a little bit. So I'm trying to get better about these superstitions because I don't need these on my list as well. I'm an adult man with adult concerns. I don't need to worry about stepping on the crack and breaking my mother's back. Like, let's not, let's live in reality. I don't feel right about you letting go of them, though. Like, I'm scared now. Like, I'm, like, I think I'm way more superstitious than I realized until this conversation.

Because I'm like, don't step on the crack. Yeah. Well, sometimes it's like there's so many real things to be afraid of. It's kind of fun to just be afraid of the stupid shit. So you can forget about the real things. What's the real thing? What's, like, the scariest thing to you that's real? For me, for real?

Yeah, for you for real. Nuclear war. Oh, yeah. It's a big one. Hot, right? Yeah. I mean, it's a hot topic. A friend of mine, a friend of mine, Chloe, we had drinks in L.A., and she's like, she's like a prepper.

Mm-hmm. And she was like, really getting into it. And I was like, wow, you really think about this. She goes, I'm going to send you a book. And I get home to New York and lo and behold, there's the book called nuclear war. And it's about like this scenario. in which it could like likely play out and what to do.

And it's like apparently a popular book. Who wrote it? I think I might. Ooh. I don't have it with me around me. Yeah. I think you might be, wow, so you know.

I think I know her. Like, I know. Big Hollywood producer. Annie Jacobson. Yes, it is. Yeah, Annie Jacobson. Yes, she's amazing. Wait, you know her?

Yeah, I'm a big Hollywood producer. You're really well connected. Yeah. But. That's scary. It is so scary because I think it's like, okay, so. Have you D-Sday prepped yourself? No, I can't, I could barely prep my own life.

Like, I can't, especially because like if I, again, if I start thinking about it too much, I'll be like, yeah. Like, I'm the kind of person like when I was a little boy, like we, not a little boy, but like, you know, in the middle school. Like, we got, we had like a sex ed class and it was the first time I learned about STIs. and they were showing like pictures of what could happen if you got an SDI or whatever. And I passed out in class and didn't wake up for like two and a half hours. What?

Are you serious? Because I was like, oh my God, I can never have sex or... And then I just literally had to lay in my head on the table and went white. And they were like, okay, Matt's having a problem. Like now I can look back and see that I always had like an anxiety issue. but that that was what happened to me. Like, I would always,

I would always get really preoccupied about stuff. So now I just have to have lots of little things going on to, you know, like condoms. Not, never condoms. Okay. I mean, come on, I'm still, I'm still, I'm still a gay guy. I never were condoms. He's like, but I have to kiss the wall three times before I, you know.

But not a condom. No, when I get even a little bit, horny, I don't think about anything. That's all out the window. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Where did you grow up? Long Island.

Oh, where? Where? Don't leave. I grew up in Suffolk County and I slip. I lived on like the south shore. Yeah, ice live. Sure. Yeah.

So you know it. I do know it. I spent a lot of time in Kings Park. Let's go. I used to race against them in track. Really? A big track athlete. I was like a cross country and track kids.

So they were in our division. Yes. Amazing. Yeah, I know on the train when you, you know, go, I slips an exit. Like, I know all the exits from the city. It sure is. It sure is. So what do you go out to, like, out east?

Yeah, so my daughter's great-grandmother who recently passed away at lived in Kings Park. I know. She was 99, which is amazing. That's outstanding. So sick. But, yeah. It's like, do you want to get to 100?

Are you like, nah, let's leave them wanting more? Exactly. But it was unexpected. But in hindsight, looking back, I mean, if you're going to go, you just literally just like die out of nowhere and you don't even like know or have to think about it or go through anything. That's the best way to do it. I mean, if you really think about it, even though it's so sad, but yeah. Yeah, I'd rather have a submersible death than have a full-on plane crash because you go down the whole time.

I don't want to, I don't like the plane crashes. No, those are not. Oh. That scares me more than nuclear war. So Jennifer Lawrence was just on our podcast and she said that she was recently, she was on a plane one time and they had double engine failure. What's not okay? What happened? So one engine went out.

Yeah. And it was like really concerning. But her friend that she was with was like, don't worry because actually planes only need one engine. So as long as we have the one engine, we're fine. It's like a kidney. And literally, it's the engine of the plane's kidneys. Yeah. It's a rule of culture.

But the other engine died and they heard it. And she goes to her friend, the other engine went out. He just goes, I know. I just got chills over my body. Oh, my God. But they were able to land somehow. I was like, so if both engines go out, like, what is that? Are you just then, like, falling out of the sky?

Like, are you just, I really hate it every second, though. I hate it. Hearing about it. That is horrible. I was in a little plane once I got struck by lightning, like the whole plane like engulfed in purple. Stop it. Yeah. And the person I was traveling with. And this is my biggest fear. It's not planes. I am totally fine with flying. Flying over water. Like if you're going to Europe and you're over an ocean the whole time or to like Hawaii or whatever it is, that I don't want to, I don't want to crash in the ocean. You don't want to free fall from the sky into the ocean? Nope, sure don't. So neither do I. Well, here's the thing. It's like, let's actually walk this back because I have had the same, again, anxious thoughts.

And I've really been to the end and back on specifically this topic. Okay. Here's the thing. If you go down over the ocean or you go down over the land, you are dead either way, right? I hope no one's on a plane right now. Listening to our podcast. Look, if you are, like, you're fine. Like, think about how many planes go down ever, literally.

You're fine if you're listening. Guys, guys. I'm just. Knock on wood. Carry on. I'm not on the superstition podcast. So, but basically like, if you go down over land, other people could get really hurt on land. And that maybe is a top three thing that we're already even thinking about is literally just living your goddamn life and a plane falls out of the sky on you.

Don't think I haven't thought about that in my house. Feels like we've thought about it. Oh, God. I've never thought about that in my house, but I will now. See? I mean, remember Breaking Bad? Yeah. In Breaking Bad, like, I think it was the second season. Like, they revealed that like a plane, two planes collided into each other.

And that's, and it rained over like a neighborhood. Yeah. Let me just say one thing really quick about if you do it, when I'm flying over the ocean, this is the thought I have and what I say. I say, please, if for any reason we go down over the ocean, let us die instantly on impact. I don't want to be, I don't want to be stuck in a plane. and water coming in, that is my biggest fear. So I always say, please, please take me out on impact. Thank you. Yeah, in case of a water landing, someone just actually kill me with their hands right away.

In case of a water landing, because I ain't talking to no sharks. Because then we get into a whole bunch of bullshit. Oh, I can't. The ocean, I cannot. Like, I. Oh, the ocean is number one, no. Number one, no. I respect it so much.

I do not believe that we belong in it. I don't think it's for us. When you really get into what's going on at the bottom of the seas in terms of the sea life, when you really get into some of these girls with the lanterns on their head, some of these girls that look like aliens, like, you know what I mean? Like it gets some of these girls who are absolutely huge that are living at the bottom. No, I don't want to know what's up with that. I can't even believe we share the same planet.

But here's what I'll say. I'd rather go to space than to... Under the sea. Deep sea diving. I won't even go on the Nemo ride at Disneyland. Because you might get stuck. Yeah. In the fucking submarine.

Won't do it. Can't do it. Okay. Yeah. I wouldn't want to go to space either, though. I don't really want to go to space. Can I tell you something? Like, the blue origin?

Yeah. Yeah. I really... That to me was like... It was like a low point. A hundred percent. That was a low point for me. I was like, I was like, I don't know about about girl boss space.

And I feel bad because like I do like a lot of the people that went up there. Like love Gail. You know, at a time, like I was a Katie Cat. Like I went to see Katie Show in Vegas. I was like, yeah. I was, I went for her by birthday, actually. I think for my 32nd birthday, went to go see Katie in Vegas. Me on like an army of gay men.

I love that. But like, but like I couldn't, I couldn't co-sign on the, on the, on the space exploration. What they just went up for like a minute or something? They broke the barrier. What is it exactly? Yeah. I think that it was like an 11 or 12 minute thing. It's like they went up, they went down.

Essentially a Disney ride. I just, what I really want to know is the pitch on that on that. Like what the actual pitch was that made them. Because me too. Love, Gale. Katie's wonderful. Yes. They're wonderful.

what was the pitch that they went, I'm in, you know? I can't imagine it in my head to be like, that sounds like a good idea. But would you have done it if you were asked to do it? I would never do it. I don't even like going on a plane. I would never leave the earth. One, I have children. Right.

I would never leave my children on this earth without me. I don't even like flying on the same plane as my husband. Right. Because what if, oh my God, you need a designated survivor? Yeah. Holy shit. Like I. Just kidding.

I love you, Jeff. No, but I really am. Like, I don't think we should do that anymore. Well, yeah. I mean, it sounds like one of those things that's like, you know, when it's like you want a lot of people to come to a party, but like you're not like, it's like, like, just you know, these people are all coming. And you find out later they were all just invited.

but you tell everyone like, oh, and here are the people we have confirmed. It's like when you get like an audition for a movie and it's like, here's the people that are all in it. And then you find out later they were all just like negotiating and none of them are actually in it. It's like, you know what I mean? Like it's like people are.

They're like, tricks. Tricksery going on there. They're like, you know, Gail's doing it. Yeah. Do you think it was originally Oprah? And then they're like. You have to imagine Oprah was the initial ask. You know what I mean?

I mean, they obviously asked her. They had to ask. Of course they asked Oprah. Trust me. As a as a true Luigi, I know that when I know when I'm getting an offer that Mario got first. You know what I mean? Oh, my, Lanta.

That was the most brilliant thing I've ever. I invite Luigi. I respect Luigi. I know where my mind went. My mind went, is there someone connected to Oprah that's named Luigi? I first went to Luigi in a way, yes. In a way, yes. That's his face that killed the guy.

And I was like, I want to see where this is going. Oh, my God. He's a true Luigi. Yeah. What's his name again? Luigi. Luigi Mangione. Yes.

I was like, no, you're not. Are you? I'm talking about Luigi. Do they have a last name? Are their last name? Brother. Mario Brothers. Their last name is Brothers.

Yeah. Hey, listen. Gail is probably, Gayle is probably the most famous Luigi in pop culture. Yeah. In our real world. Well, can we think about the Luigi's for a second? There's Toby McGuire. He's a Luigi.

Busy Phillips is Luigi Okay Oh she's a good Luigi Good Luigi Who else is Who else is? Oh Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams They're both Luigi

They're both Luigi's Here's a question Who's the Luigi In the Ben Affleck Matt Damon pairing? Good question I think that Ben started As the Luigi I think just for height reasons

And also because like Matt was the star of Goodwill Hunting And I think he was like He was the initial like movie star But here's the thing Sometimes Luigi does eat the Mario.

That happens a lot. That happened with Dakota Fanning and El Fanning. You know, El Fanning was the Luigi and she became Luigi. Wow. Superceded Mario. And I think Mario was okay with it in that instance. Maybe his sister. Their family.

They're real brothers. Because also Mario gets tired of being Mario. He's jumping everywhere. He's front facing. He's always has to be camera ready. Like he's got a public relationship. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Mario has to do. with a lot. Literally the world on your shoulders needing to save it. Bowser always coming for him, fire breathing. It's like a lot to be. It's a lot. The Mario. I just love everything related to Super Mario Brothers because it makes so much sense. It's great. It's a map of our world. It really is. I want to keep going with Luigi and Mario. I'm going to keep saying that. My brain won't stop. That's going to be the new because I'm like Leah Romini is the Luigi to JLo, right? No? I don't know. I was trying to think Jailo and I was. I was trying to think Jailo and Would Leah Remedy?

Oh, absolutely the Luigi. Absolutely. Sorry. I said her last name. That whole second act press tour was a case study in Mario Luigi. Amazing. Okay. Brilliant.

So now my brain's going to be doing this forever. I used to say I'll be the Toby to your Leo to Rachel. But now it's more, I like Luigi. Luigi is perfect. It's just like a really easy one-to-one. Mario and Luigi are monoculture, so everyone knows what you're talking. Everyone knows. Yeah, this feels better.

You know, what's been interesting is it's very interesting to have the wicked press tour. Yes. It's Ariana and Cynthia. And even though Cynthia is the green one like Luigi, she's not the Luigi. They are equals. And I think they do a really good job on that press tour of keeping them equal. Equals. And that is not common.

That is not common. And I wonder how that happened. Well, you want to know what it was? Please do you tell. And I don't know anything. I don't know anything. But I think because Ariana is such. a Mario in her own life.

Yeah. I think she knew in coming there that Cynthia's probably such a Mario in her own life. But if you actually were to look at who's the bigger star naturally, it probably is Ariana. Sure. Mario Ariana. I mean, let's think about this. But I think it's important to them and the health of their, like, duo-ness that they aren't equal.

So I think Ariana maybe pulled back some of the Mario-ness to be equal. be equal with Cynthia so that there was no Luigi. They really seem like they truly love each other. And I love that. They do. And also, I would imagine it takes some of the load off to not have, like you were saying, the job of Mario is a lot. And in Ariana's shoes, it's like, let's do it together.

Yeah. It's so much water. It's just, it's also like, you know, when you're a duo. Yeah. It's really interesting because a lot of people, just in a real way, project this type of thing onto you, like kind of like we're doing right now for fun. But as someone who like is constantly, like we're Matt and Bowen, we were that for such a long time. But then obviously with life, like you get taken in different directions and people get certain opportunities and whatever.

It becomes this thing where you have to really communicate with each other and make sure that what you have in the in the, in the, in the, in the, friendship, like I'm sure, as you guys know, is super clean, a lot of communication, a lot of value, and a lot of saying the things. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. To make sure that that idea doesn't seep into what's actually real, which is your dynamic together. Right. That's just an external idea.

Exactly. And I'm having fun with it because I think it's fun. Because it's fun. And you can play with that. But if it is that in real life, that's not sustainable. Right. Right. And it's not good for either person. Like it's actually really not good for the Mario. No. Because then they get a big old Mario head. And it is a big head. Right. And then you fall over. Yeah, because your head's too big. I was thinking exactly the same thing about the weight of the head. Yeah. You don't, and Luigi keeps it thin and lean. You know what I mean? He's going to live longer, unfortunately. Don't look at me.

Luigi is 12% body fat Luigi No one's seen Luigi's body But I have he's fucking ripped He looks like Justin Thoreau And Charlie's Angel's full throttle That's Luigi's body under there God about that

You know that movie was really good The Mario movie was really good I loved it Oh the Mario movie? Everything So funny I love that I'm laughing I think I was

So high Yeah I was extremely high I don't even know how I saw that. Did Breyer? I mean, she must have. I don't know. Anyways.

It's honestly, it's one of those movies that's like you could watch with your kids and they're laughing for one reason and you're laughing for a whole other reason. Oh, yeah. That happens all the time. Wait, you guys, I need to go back for a second because I needed to ask this question when we were talking about space and Disney and whatever. Has anyone been on this fucking ride at Disney World? I want to say it's called Mission Space.

Did we talk about this before? I've been on mission space. What the fuck? Disney World. Yeah, Disney World. It's at Epcot. It's at Epcot. So here's the thing.

You go to Epcot. You're like, I'm going to have an amazing time today. Probably you go have a couple drinks at the countries. If you're like me, like me and my sister. You're in Germany. We went and we did the drinking around the world. Which is like so. Yeah.

I'm going to go again later in the year with my family actually. And I'm wondering how far my sister and I can. and get around how much we can hack it. But there was a time when we really went for it and then did mission space. No. No, you did not. No. No good. Traumatizing.

They actually had. Did you puke? I wasn't puking, but I wasn't okay. Yeah. Which almost is worse because you know, you have to you throw up or after you spell whatever it is you need to. Like you do feel better. So I was just like sitting with like, you know, my lung up here and my shoulder,

my other lung down here in my ass, like sort of like stomach up here in my throat. Like your organs rearranged as a result of this like, for people that don't know what it is at home, it's like essentially simulating, very realistically simulating a launch up to space. Into space. Like a lap around Mars or the moon or whatever.

I don't like it. Uh-huh. So they had to create like a weaker version of it. There's like, I think you can do like a green version or an orange version now. green one is less intense and the orange one is like the original crazy one. I love how knowledgeable you are on this ride because you really help. Well, here's the sort of sad and scary thing that, but that I am public and unapologetic about.

I'm sort of like a theme park person. Love it. Like I, I'm familiar. I have the language for this. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you were the perfect person to talk to about this. When you grow up on Long Island and like I'm from a very middle class.

family. Like, I never went to Europe. I never went skiing. I never did any of those, like, nice vacations, but my parents could afford, because back then you actually could afford a Disney vacation if you were a family of four. Right. Now you can't. But we always would go to Disney World and like that was like my wheels turning and my imagination going and that was like our family's thing. So now I like to go on about a metric ton of mushrooms and like laugh at things. But yeah, no, the mission space of it all was big news for Disney. people when it came out because it was it was fucking people up it it they give you a warning they're like motion sickness don't do it like it's so intense i've never hated a ride i've never hated a ride

in general i despise why is it still there why does it exist you know i think it's still there because they it costs so much money yeah that's a good reason it like it like it like cost so much money because it's like literal like what they actually use I think to simulate flights for aspiring astronauts. Oh really? I think it's like yeah it's like it's like it's like a it's like a centrifuge and like it's the way they do it is like you get in these pods and essentially they spin you like extremely fast around like a center of like like a like a centrifuge to like make your body feel like it's being launched to space like it like it mimics. Isn't that sound like the worst thing you've ever heard? It actually does.

Wait, what's your favorite amusement park? Oh, probably, well, I liked Universal Studios because I like riding the movies. Yeah, well, now it's like, it's kind of iffy because it's like, whatever. But you know what I love Hershey. Hershey Park is fun.

What is that? Hershey Park in Hershey Pennsylvania. There's like a lot of roller coasters there, and it's like antique and cute. We do Kennywood in Pennsylvania. Oh, Okay. I love it.

Yeah. That's actually my favorite. You know what I love, guys? Dollywood. Ever been? I've never been. What? Field trip.

Fucking. Can I ask a question, though? Yeah, please. Am I safe there as a gay guy? What? Why wouldn't you be? Well, he's saying it's a... It's in, it's in like pigeon forge.

It's in pigeon forge. Correct. Does pigeon forge sound like a gay guy who doesn't use condoms goes? I hope so. I just feel like dolly. I hope I could go anywhere and have the boundless Ross gay sex that I have. Yeah. I don't like that.

Wait, did you read that Nate Bargatsy? I don't even pronouncing everyone's name wrong. Bargotsi. No, you did great. Bargatsi. Bargazzi is opening, because you know, Opryland, because we're talking about Tennessee and theme parks closed a long time ago, he's opening a place I want to say called Nate Land.

Is he really? Okay. I don't know if it's called that, but he's opening up a theme park in Tennessee. How do you feel? Nate Land is crazy to me. Can I say like all respect for anyone succeeding? But sometimes there's someone that just completely takes over that I'm like, what? But wouldn't you?

Would you open up your own theme park if you could? 100%. But you wouldn't call it. But I think it takes a certain kind of person to be like. Luigi's Lair. Yeah, he called Luigiville. And all the rides would be themed after famous second fiddles. You're going to love the Kelly Rowland Drop Tower.

But no. Now that has to happen. I know. You're like, this is the... The idea of, like, thinking you should have your own theme park or theme park ride is, like, you better be Dolly Parton then. Because I'm judging you if you're just, like, out here with a ride. What would you name yours? Opry land should be Oprah land.

I feel like Oprah could open a theme park. Oprah deserves a theme park. I think I would call mine the Matt Rogers theme park experience. Okay. And it would just be very, very, very self-aware. And every land would be, like, there's like a, there's like a Long Island area. Love it. What's there? I need more, I need everything.

I think there's, I think, I think the whole thing is just one, a huge bar. Yep. It's just a huge bar. Mm-hmm. And it's sort of like a more. Margaritaville. Got it. But it's Long Island.

But it's Long Island. Yeah. Yep. There's bagels everywhere. Love it. I'm there. Oh my God. What about like a like a like a bespoke bagel bar?

You know what I mean? That's amazing. That could be kind of good. I really should open that. I mean, I feel, I see it. The vision is there. I just want to ask like what's in your theme park. That's a great question.

It's a really great question. What's in your theme park? What's in my theme park? Yeah. And what would you name it? that well i'm upset mine would be chunk chunk land okay chunk land yeah who's coming listen you're gonna have flaming hot chito everything i'm just saying oh wow is that your flavor i mean yeah if i have to go with the flavor it's my fucking flavor you flaming hot chito okay i'm a buffalo girl i'll eat anything

yeah i'll eat anything if you put buffalo it's spicy everything's a little spice we got the buffalo and we got the Flaming Hot Cheeto. Okay. But also everything's cozy. And you can only come if you're wearing pajamas or something really cozy. I like it. I love that. Isn't it funny?

None of us have said any rides. It's just going to be so cozy and you can eat. It's like what we're really saying out loud is we'd rather stay home. We'd rather actually order to stay home. The rides are down couches that you sit. It's a lazy boy. Yeah. Feel me out.

Hear me out. Feel me out. Feel me out. There's a part of my theme park, which is called Feel Me Out, which is really just the dark room. There's a fire island experience. Oh, my God. Fire Island experience. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Every ride's a lazy boy. That sounds cozy. Right? Yeah. Okay. You? You didn't say.

I don't know. Oh, my God. I feel so much pressure. I feel like it would be called the amusement park for people who like a amusement park for people who like amusement park. Wow. The chaparone. Yeah.

It's your amusement park's favorite amusement park. Yeah. That's what it would be. And so you go there if you like amusement parks. And then everything is food based. Yeah. I would say for sure, lots of Mexican food. Everything's a taco.

Everything's like for her. Everything's Mexican. Are you a taco queen? I am. I saw a thing on Instagram. I sent her there was like a Taco Bell belt that had like a taco holder holster, and I said, I found your Christmas present. I like it.

Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, people would ride a taco. You know what I mean? People do ride a taco.

Yeah. You know what I mean? The pink taco. Didn't fill me outlands. And feel me outlands. The pink taco! Oh my God. That's right.

That's right. Yeah. I see, see, I would. Yeah, that's tough. We have to think of at least one. You know what? I probably would have. I did.

mine are lazy boy, but it's a roll. But you're strapped into a recline. You ride the taco. The reclining roller coaster. A dueling racing roller coaster. Yeah. That was like two podcast hosts. That's like cars at Disneyland.

And Mario always wins. Oh. I am really excited for our theme parks. I enjoy one. So you guys are in L. right? There's the Hollywood there's the Hollywood

studios, just the Universal, just go right there today after this. Dude, it's too virtual. I can't do the virtual right. It's so virtual. But did you see,

okay, not to make this the entire thing, the theme park episode, but like I was driving on the 101 and they're making a huge roller coaster there. At Universal. It's fast,

is it fast and furious? Fast and furious. Oh, really? They're going to have an actual rollercoast. But by the way, it's about time. Well, they have the Incredibles, don't they?

That's a rollercoaster. It's not like a roller coaster. They have the mummy. The mummy roller coaster is inside. That's the best ride there. The mummy. Yeah, it's so good. You're right.

You're right. But you know what else is the best? I know I can't stop. But the Guardians of the Galaxy at Disney World. That roller coaster is so fun. You go and like every single time it's a different song. And I heard that one of the songs that could potentially play when you did it was Konga by Gloria Stefan.

And I was like, oh my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wait, I think I got that. Did you? I got it too. You did. I was living.

I was screaming. I was like, I realized I wasn't even enjoying the ride because I was just. You were feeling that conga. Can you sing it? Come on a beddy. Do that conga. No, you can control yourself any longer. No longer.

Feel that conga beat. Yeah. So good. Like classic songs. Everybody. Gather around now. It's like a block party no matter where you are. Were block parties?

Did you guys ever have block parties? No. Oh my God. This is so Long Island then. Yeah. They were like, like every street at some point during the summer around my neighborhood, like would shut down from side to side and everyone on the street would join in the street. And like it was like a barbecuing.

And it was like a blowoff house. It was like we had a block party every year in the summer. We did not. We did not. Yeah. Maybe it was more Long Island culture. But I would actually be curious to find out like if that happened. Did you have block parties?

Kevin? Oh, yeah. Okay. They do them on high street now. Chicago. Okay, cool. Yes. I guess L.A.

L.A. was like, fuck now. I know. We do them now. Now where I live, like I hear of block parties kind of. Yeah, we should do a block party with your brother. Oh, my God. Let's do a block party. She's moving in across the street from my brother, which I'm so excited about.

I was just going to ask, like, was that like a targeted thing? Like, did your brother, like, reach out and say, hey, there's like a thing available? Or did you just like, It was random. Total coincidental. I know. I was on the phone with her and I was like, I'm going to drive by this house. And she's like, where is it? Let me map it. And I was like, oh, it's here, here. And she's like, Olivia, look across the street. Yeah. That's John's house. And I was like, stop.

That is so funny. Oh, my God. How cool for you guys. That's the coolest. We're so happy. Yeah. I'm thrilled. Because now you're probably going to also see your brother a ton more. Yeah. I'm like, I never see that guy. No, I'm kidding. I know, it's the best. I love it. No, we see them all the time. That's so great.

Yeah. Yeah. I do, I am sort of falling in love more with the idea of like, like living really, really close. Like, I just moved from, I'm in New York now, but I do rent a place in Studio City. Oh, that's where I live. Yeah. Oh, really? Mm-hmm.

I love it. I love it. Okay. You're probably close to me. Yeah, I probably am close to you. So, like, but I'm really, I'm really close to my one of my best friends. Jared. And I was like, oh, is that going to be like too much? Like, are we going to be codependent? But like, I love being codependent. Same. We're no completely codependent. We want

that. At the same time. Same. Same. Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. I, I feel like I've only ever benefited from codependency. I think it's, I see nothing wrong with it, to be honest. You say it's overrated? No, underrated. Independence is overrated. Yes. I knew what she meant. See? It's also. lonely. It's also, um, and I don't need, like I said earlier, like, I don't necessarily need to be alone with my own mind. Like, it's like, that's, like, it's, nobody wants that. I do too much. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody needs that. Nobody wants that. A lot of things have, have helped out. Like, I, I've just got this year, I finally got a prescription for beta blockers. And I did not, like, propranol. And I didn't realize how badly I needed that. And so I started doing it. Like, just like,

quieting things down. Like, now I can sort of be by myself. because it's not such a chaos center in my brain. But before that, I was always like, let me be around people all the time so that I can, you know, constantly be in conversation. Wait a minute. With the beta blockers,

is that a daily thing or just when you need them to show up? As needed. It's like if I ever, I guess I didn't ever really realize, like that the feeling of anxiety did not need to be accompanied by like, like, exasperated a jada in your chest. Like,

whenever I get that feeling now, where, like, it's like, it's like sometimes your body, when it gets stressed, will then cue you to get more stressed. Yes. Because it's like, oh, I'm experiencing an anxious feeling. And now I can actually physically feel my chest starting to, you know, get a little weird. And that cues me to think, oh, you should be stressed out. It's time to panic.

Right. And so now taking the beta blocker, like, eliminates that feeling, that physical feeling. And therefore, I'm not like, spin. spinning out more than I need to. Like I think I now realize, like, anxiety is an emotion that will always be there for everyone. You can, like, you know, get used to it and make friends with it, but it doesn't have to be something that, like, spins you out and causes you to, like, you know, raise your voice when you don't mean to or make a quick decision or, you know, send that text that probably you should just

leave in the drafts, you know? So many. I remember when I first got on antidepressants, I was like, is this what like it feels like to be normal? Like when your body's not doing that thing, that fight or flight, like panic. I was like, this is how people walk around the world? Yeah. Isn't it funny? And then, I don't know, did you have that moment where you were like bummed out that you needed it?

Massively. But I got over it. I got over it. And I was like, so what? You know what I mean? But it took a long time to get over it and be like, it is what it is. Yeah. Yeah.

That's the part that I think people don't really talk about too much is like, of course, like it's so much more, you know, normal now to talk about like what you need and what you're experiencing because like we're all just, um, of what I like about like, you know, our generation and our like, you know, the way that we're all communicating now is we do over communicate. But I think that's better. Like we're talking about being codependent. Like we over-communicate what people we care about and, you know, people who will listen. But rather that than like keeping everything inside and never telling anyone anything. And then all of a sudden you never experience being better because you never engaged with the idea.

Because you tamped it down all the time. But I think people don't talk about there's like a little bit of like shame that you were one of the people that needed to be on medication. Yeah, I hear that from people all the time. They're like, well, I don't think I need it. They'll say things like that. Like, well, I don't think I need it. I'm going to try all these things.

And it's like, great. Try all those things. Yeah. Right? For me, I tried all those things and they didn't work without it. And then so I got to the point where I was like, okay, I actually might need this. But there is that stigma of being someone who needs help. Yeah, 100%.

Which is bizarre. Because we all need help. It's just different. So much. So much help. Yeah. I mean, I feel like, too, it's like, again, we've had the podcast for 10 years. So in the very beginning, when we were absolutely positive that no one would listen, you know what I mean? Like, we set that we were really honest about this type of stuff. You know what I mean? Like, it was like, it became this thing where I remember when we started in 2016, I looked at our metrics and I was like, oh my God, Bowen, 63 people.

are listening. All of our friends plus some other people. And so I think it just became this place when we were like, we know this isn't going to succeed. So we're just going to talk to each other like we do. And in establishing that, it kind of established that one of the things about the podcast is we're really candid about this stuff. So it actually keeps me honest now.

Yeah. And I think that I think or I hope that people appreciate that because. no one wants to be looking up to people or be following people who are or I just don't think it happens as much anymore that what we're all aspiring to

is perfection and impenetrability you know like I think we're over it I think that's why all the movie stars that are kind of coming up are all sort of atypical looking movie stars you know what I mean like Timothy Shalame is a gorgeous creature but he's not like

Matt Damon. You know what I mean? Like he's not like Leonardo DiCaprio and that like he is a skinny guy. You know, he dresses like in sort of like an atypical way. He's androgynous. You know, like he, it's just like a different

thing. And I feel the same way about like you know, Lawrence Pew and Zendaya and et cetera. It's like everyone's just a little bit like it a little bit like different than what we've seen in generations past because I don't think we're aspiring to like the cookie cutter anymore.

Right. Correct. And the truth of the matter is, it's more comfortable this way. Because for me, I pretended forever that I was fine. And that was wildly uncomfortable. And then once I was like, I'm not fine. I need help. I'm not okay.

Then I was like, I feel comfortable. Right. So it's like the opposite of what you think. It's like the freedom and the peace comes from being like, oh, it's all here. their own version of the Ariana as Mario. Yeah. Oh, you know what I mean? Everyone's got to give a little bit.

Yes, it's true. Yeah, I think it's really helpful. We're done with the gatekeeping, gaslighty, I've got it all together. Culture. Yeah. I will say, like, I think that I get scared sometimes, though, because I think that what's kind of back, like, obviously ultra-thin is like. happening because of like, you know, all that stuff.

But yeah, OZMPI. But like, even with, like, pretty much everything, I get, I get a little nervous when it feels like the culture slips back. Like, I feel like, you know, the political landscape right now, it feels like we're just slipping back a little bit. And so I don't want to see, like, standards of beauty and body stuff slip back, too. Um, I just hope we can keep, we can keep the versatility and the diversity in the conversation as aspiration because I do think we're in a little bit of a weird spot with that.

Oh, do you? I know. Now is when I'll censor myself. Yeah. I think we're in a weird-ass spot. Beyond. On all levels. It's just weird.

That's why we all just need to open our theme park in our little community. No, and I've actually, I've been thinking about it more, and I think we just need to combine all three of ours and it be one. And that way we cover it all. Because I think we'd all make really good decisions together. We clearly, we can be super codependent. Guys, I figured it out. Co-dependent theme park?

No. What? You can only come with your codependent person. Everything is a two-seater. Enjoy the fall. And then you fall on the roller coaster into a bunch of leaves. Yes, that's all.

You know, brown. I love to enjoy the fall. Enjoy the fall. That's really good. Also, because like, can I tell you something? You know what? I could not fucking get my hands on all this fall. A pumpkin beer.

What? Why? I couldn't get my hands on one. I don't know. First of all, L.A. whenever I'm there, just you can completely, like, fuck off if you want any fall-themed or Christmas-themed thing. They don't do it. Whereas in New York, like, usually you can get that.

And even they were lacking. Like, where can I get my pumpkin beer with a cinnamon rim? I can only have one, maybe two, because I will have five. You have to stop me or I'll be puffy for a week. But I didn't even get that opportunity because I didn't see them. That sounds so good. I'm really, I feel like I'm putting it out there for you. I think one is going to come your way.

I feel like you're going to come across one. I think you need three. I did say on the podcast a few years ago, I complained about this. And then you got. pumpkin beers. Yep. Got sent so many. Yeah.

Like. This is the only reason you're bringing it up. You're like, where the fuck are my pumpkins beers? Do you think that your listeners are the type of people who would be charitable enough to send me pumpkin beers? I'll send you some, Matt. I got a hook up. Thanks, Kevin. Oh, there we go.

See. Listen, we're in the Thanksgiving holiday spirit. Ask for what you want. Say the uncomfortable thing. Tell the truth. It's pumpkin. You will be rich. pumpkin beer.

Oh my God, amazing. This has been the best ever. You are fucking wonderful. I am obsessed with you. Thank you for being here today. I'm so happy to be here and to meet you guys. You too. You're amazing.

Obviously, I was huge summer supporter back in the day. Thank you. Big part of my honor, podcast, we talk about the culture that made us say culture was for us, meaning like formative culture, and I was an OC fan. Oh, I love that so much. Thank you. And obviously you love summer most.

Always. I saw it for Seth in summer, I think, immediately. But then again, I was like, of course, of course I did. That was the point. No, it was definitely, it was up in the air. You know, you didn't know if it was going to go Anna or summer. The writers didn't either. You know, Bowen and I.

I always talk, Bowen and I always talk about the, um, the Oliver plotline. Oh, good Lord. Good Lord indeed. The worst. Where are we? That wasn't him, though. That was someone else. That was her other abusive boyfriend.

What the hell is what is that? Yeah. That made Imogen Heep. Yeah, I mean. And therefore, Ariana Grande. Wait, how are you linking that to that? So Ariana Grande's number one artist. Is Imogen?

Is Imogen Heap. What? What do you mean? That's who she's obsessed with? That's who she talked. It says it's like, it's like between her and like it's like her, Celine Dion, Mariah are like her like North Stars. And if you listen to her music, there is a lot of like vocal comping and stacking and the way that Image and Heap does the same thing. She even covers Goodnight and Go on a couple albums ago.

Yeah. Oh, that's cool. She has her own, she has her own song called Good Night and Go and she samples Image and Heap. So I think if Image and Heap doesn't. appear in the O.C. And blow up in the way she does, maybe a young Ariana Grande never knows to explore her and never becomes the Ariana Grande that we know.

Whoa. And she is the queen. Whoa. This is culture in conversation. I love it. I love it so much. I could do this all day. We could.

She said, but I'm not going to. So. No, she goes, I got to go. Yeah, we've loved this. Yeah, we've really loved this, but I have to pee. Okay. No, you're incredible. So, you know, we talk.

talked a lot about some dark stuff. Yes. Like, we really went there. Well, yeah, that's even better. And I do want to get to that.

I want us to do more Mario Luigi's because that's, like, such a fun game. But I just want to say, yeah, that doesn't everyone kind of go there sometimes? Like, we were just talking about it all very openly.

Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I feel like it's relatable. You know, you know what's interesting, though,

was we went to dinner with a group of friends and we have this one friend who will not go there. So if you bring up anything that is slightly like too much, well, she's like, no, I don't want to talk about that. And we're like, well, we kind of have to. Or she's like, no, because our friend was like, all right, well, if anyone's going to get dementia, I'm the first to get it. And then we started playing that game. And she was just like, I don't want to do this. game. And then we were talking about like something else that was like a little heavy. And she's like, I'm going to go to the bathroom. Like you could, she just didn't want it.

Sure. Whereas the rest of us were like, okay, uh, I'll probably get dementia. Like we were like down. Yeah. Yeah. That is interesting. We're down for all games. So there are some people that won't touch it. Right. Right. Right. Like I feel like Eric is going to be listening to this and turn it off. like our episode with Matt. Erica won't listen to our podcast because we're probably too much. But yeah, the Mario Luigi thing, I love thinking of shit like that so much. I know, Lou, like we do it all the time.

I was thinking of one that's probably switched over the years, which is McColley Colkin and Kieran Culkin. I feel like Coli was Mario and now Kieran is Mario I kind of like I was thinking of different flips too that would be a good one Oh I like that spin on it

The flip flop Mario Mario went to What's the world called When he like goes through the thing Yeah the tubes Yeah The warp zone

Thank you oh two boys Got it Yeah Dan it then it I love I like the only game. I love. That and Mario Kart love. People don't believe me when I say this, but the last movie that I saw in theaters was the Mario Chris Pratt movie that came out like three years ago.

It's so good. I love that movie. Yeah. I don't like going to the movies? I don't, I do. I think I just kind of like ran out of, it's such an investment. I kind of blame me. my dad unfortunately. I don't know if I've already told you this story, but my dad was very, I don't say anti-movies,

but he famously has only gone to the movie theaters like six times in his life. What? He saw Star Wars, the first Star Wars movie when it came out in the 70s, and he saw Jaws. So then the kind of the joke is like,

if you ask him if he saw a movie and it came out after Jaws, he says, no, I haven't seen it. Then he saw Miracle, the hockey movie, the 2000s. He saw the second Harry Potter movie with me at the Wisconsin Dells in Wisconsin. And the last movie he saw in theaters. This is not a joke. He saw Nacho Libre with me and my sisters, the Jack Black movie. And during the credits, he leaned over to me and said, that's it,

I'm done. And he hasn't been to the movie since. Oh, my God. That is really, okay. I want to so many movies growing up and in my 20s, especially out here in L.A. And then, I don't know, maybe COVID, I just feel like I haven't gotten back into going to the movies at all. I love it. I don't. I don't love it. I was at the movies yesterday, actually. Again. No, that was the same day. Oh, it's been a long day. It's like, no, that was yesterday, Olivia. Good question for us. thoughts on movie theaters that have the food option. Do we like those? Is it distracting?

Love them. I want to, if I'm going to the movie, like, I want to have a good time. I want to relax. I want to recline. If I want food, I want to order food. I care most about the seats. Okay. It has to be reclining.

And I have to be in the far back. And if that's not an option, I will pick a different time. But I don't really care about the food. because I'm so conditioned to the popcorn candy soda aspect that that's really all that matters to me. Yeah. What's your order? Popcorn candy and soda.

No, but what can't specifically? I know. I get peanut M&Ms. Oh. Okay. Sometimes a red vine situation. Okay. Popcorn and a Diet Coke.

Wow. Okay. You? Yeah. Oh, okay. When I used to, I have now decided I just can't eat popcorn because it creates a huge problem for my mouth. But I would get popcorn, but I have to have candy inside the popcorn. Yeah.

My preference is raisinets. I know. I put the raisinets in the popcorn and I eat them together. Kevin? Yeah. Um, in my, as an adult, It's now popcorn and like a large sprite, maybe like a Skittles or something. Peanut Eminems is perfect.

Like that combo is perfect. As a kid, I would try to get nachos. And my mom would always go, no, you're not having nachos at the movies. Aw. But they're great. But another thing is my grandma would not let us buy food at the movies. she would go to Jewel Osco and buy stuff there because it was cheaper and then give us individual Ziploc bags of like candy from her purse.

No, it was it was tough. They used to do that to us too and it just felt not right. No, it never tasted as good. I used to get the icies, which I really enjoyed. But now with like the Alamo draft house, I will get like a hamburger, a beer and a cookie. but if you don't specify the order, they just give you whatever comes out first. So the amount of times I've gotten like a burger,

a cookie, and a beer, and I'm eating a cookie by itself during the opening credits is bad. I have to remember to like write the order that I want. I know. I'm so hungry. You guys, if you were to see and the scary part is, is that like it's embarrassing what we get as a family. because I get the popcorn, the peanut M&Ms,

then Jeff gets the milk duds, Elliot gets the Sour Patch Kids, and Shepard gets like nerd clusters. And then Jeff will also throw sometimes a hot dog and nachos in the mix. It's embarrassing. Wow. And Ices.

I love icies. Yeah. What flavor I see that? I wonder why we love going to the movies. Yeah. It's a blast. You spend like triple the amount just on snacks. Wait, but what flavor I see?

The blue, whatever the blue flavor is. Okay. You know what my favorite is, which is not everywhere? The white cherry. I like that one. That's my favorite Gatorade flavor. The like Arctic cherry. There's like a white one that's a cherry flavor.

Did you guys sneak? into movies as kids ever, like get a ticket for one and go see something else? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think I did it once and I was very paranoid I was going to get caught the whole time. And I don't even remember what the movie was for.

Yeah. But I wouldn't. I would follow it all the time. Yes, of course he did. I remember my dad used to put a blanket over me at the drive, at the drive in. He would just hide me. Wow. that's awesome.

I loved thinking about, I used to go on like movie theater dates because that's just like the only place you could go basically without your parents. And I remember going on a date with someone in, I mean, date is doing heavy lifting in seventh grade. It was more just like, hey, do you want to go to the movies this weekend? And she was like, sure. And I was like, oh my God, I'm basically married. And we saw the Tim Allen movie Wild Hogg. And it's like him and John Travolta on motorcycles. And I was like, I guess this is love.

And nothing happened. And that was the end of that date. Wild hogs. Let us know your, you know what we should start doing. This is like a novice podcast. I don't know why as a producer I didn't pitch this 12 months ago when I started working with you guys. Let us know your favorite movie theater experience in the comments. There you go.

Yeah. Thanks, everyone. Thank you. Bye. Bye. That was a HeadGum podcast.