Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Erin & Sara Foster on Nobody Wants This, Nepo Babies, and Humbling Moments

Episode Date: December 9, 2024

Erin and Sara Foster (Nobody Wants This, Barely Famous) join Rachel and Olivia for an insightful conversation about growing up in Hollywood and their journeys to becoming actresses. Erin reflects on her time starring in The OC, and the group dives into the challenges of motherhood and the Foster sisters hit Netflix series, Nobody Wants This. Don’t miss Erin and Sara’s hilarious and candid podcast, The World's First Podcast, and be sure to check out their critically acclaimed Netflix series, Nobody Wants This. Broad Ideas is sponsored by Blissy and Because you’re a listener, Blissy is offering 60-nights risk-free PLUS an additional 30% off when you shop atBlissy.com/RACHEL.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hax is back for its fifth and final season, and so is The Hacks podcast. Join the Hacks creators and showrunners, Lucia and Yellow, Paul W. Downs, and Jen Statsky as they unpack the Emmy-winning comedy series. On each episode, here's stories from the set, what goes on in the writer's room, and how these beloved characters close out their final season. Watch Hax streaming exclusively on HBO Max and listen to The Hacks podcast on HBO Max, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to broad ideas.

Hello. Hi. Hi. Today we have Aaron and Sarah Foster. I know. I know. Very exciting. We're not going to talk that much.

We're just going to get into it because they are highly entertaining and amazing. Sometimes when the way inside of Rachel's little brain, all these thoughts are swirling, round and inside. to join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings. We'll talk about boys that and me. Because people die. Sarah's going to come in hot.

She's going to come in like someone who's late. And she's being like, guys, I had this. I had this at a different time I'm so sorry. This never happens. It always happens. I'm picking up my daughter from school. Oh my God. Okay. She's going to come in with that kind of energy, I think. I love it. I love that you guys are so close to age. Yeah. What's the difference? It's like a year and a half. That's Irish twins. I know. So close. Oh. I'm so close. I'm so sorry. No, you are good.

I have a calendar, but in my mind, I was like, it's 430. I picked the kid up. I pick my daughter up at 3.30. We do. Anyways, I'm really sorry. No, you're good. There's nothing. She's going to come in.

She's like, guys, my calendar, I had it had it. I swear, a different time. I knew. No, no. She did verbatim, as if you guys rehearsed it. I bet she did. I bet she did. She did.

Listen, the one thing that, we can relate to you and understand is kids and pickup and calendars. It's a nightmare. Well, I'm like really getting that. Have we started? Are we starting or not? Yeah, we're in. Oh, we're in.

Okay, great, great, great. I'm getting like a lot of the like, oh, you have no time for me. You love your phone more than you love me. You love your job. It's a lot of that. I mean, it's all bullshit. Can you swear on this? Yeah, please.

Fucking literally. How old? I have a. 14-year-old and a 9-year-old. Wow. 14. What is that like? It shouldn't change. I don't recommend it. We're going to get there. I mean, it seems like you had time to stop and get a smoothie. So, yeah. So, so, so, so, so I, what I did was I said to her today, she said, mom, can you pick me up and can we go to Earth Bar? So I said this morning, I go, of course. I go, I'll pick you up. We'll go do that. I start a pot at 430. Like, it's perfect. So in my mind,

here's what we, here's what I need. I need Montana to every hour. Just be like, reminder, because I'm really losing it. Same. We can't, I can't remember. No, we're losing our minds. Are our hormones dipping? Is that what's happening? Yeah. I don't. I mean, it's paring menopause. Oh. It happens. I mean. The dreaded word, it's been said. I know. I know. But it's real. Well, also, it starts to like 35. All these, like, 35-year-olds walking around being like, oh, you old bitch, is like, no, no, you're in paramedipause, honey. You're a 35-year-in. Oh, my God.

I didn't even know that. I'm going to use that. Next time I meet a 35-year-old. We're going to stop taking over and let you guys. Yeah. From the show. No, we love it. There's no.

We want you guys. That's why we wanted you. Anyways, I think that stuff starts a lot earlier, is my point. It does. And then you throw having kids on it. And then it creates gray. gray matter in the brain, right? So you're dealing with that and hormones and a lot more. I've got a lot of gray matter. Me too. I'm all gray matter. Yeah. What is what it feels like?

You guys also have so much going on and I like it. I really do. I love it. It was so funny. We went into a story yesterday and I bought a hat and I'm like, this is the cute. We were both like, this is the cute. This is the hat. This is the cutest hat. And I felt so cute in it. And I'm like, going to my kids' sports game and it says Go Sports. And they were like, wait a minute. I know. She was in the mirror and I was like, do you know what hat you just bought? It was really cute. I love that. It was a cute sweatshirture. Thank you for your purchase.

No, no. You're welcome. Sarah, a hat, not a sweatshirt. It was a hat. Oh, the hat. Oh, we also had Ghost Sports sweatshirt shirt. You do. Oh, you need that too. Yeah. You guys have a lot.

Can we talk about how do you do it and what do you like the most? That's what I want to know. Well, we, I don't know. I hear, I don't think we have answers. So I don't know that anybody really wants advice from us. As you can see, I'm a frazzled mess. But we divide and conquer. We do a lot of dividing and conquering.

And I also think the trick, it's like, if you guys are working moms and you understand what it's like, it's that you never feel like you're doing enough. And you never feel like you're nailing it. So when the, I mean, it's like we feel the same way that you guys feel as working moms when someone's like, how do you do it all? and you're like literally every day, all I can think about is the one thing that I'm dropping. And I think that, I mean, I can only speak for myself.

Like, when I'm in the writer's room, there's so many other things that I'm not able to do in our work lives. And so then I pad like working on other things before the writer's room and after the writer's room, like, I'm here now. But all anybody else feels is that I always say that I can't do it because I'm in the room. And all the room ever feels is that I'm like stepping out for a meeting or I'm like 15 minutes late to the room. You know? So I always feel like I'm like just, you know, you always feel like you're failing in something.

I don't know. I also feel like, you know, yes, we are working moms, all the things. But I have to catch myself when we're doing our own podcast being like, you know, working moms. Like, let's be clear. I have a nanny. I have an assistant. Like I have fucking help. Like I have.

We have a lot of people help. And we can make up our own hours a lot of the time. Yeah, we have a lot of people. So I really have to sort of check myself. I'm not saying that it isn't hard for me, clearly. It isn't hard for all of us and moms a mom no matter what. But it's like a real moment of reflection a lot of the time because most women do not have. Most women are working moms and they don't have any help.

My mom, my mother lives with me. Like I have my mother who really. My mother, yeah, well, she's moving out soon. She's just been in between her places. But, you know. It's been in between for about, you know, seven years. But I just think it's like, you know, sometimes I got to really check myself. Yeah, but I will say this too, though.

Even some, I was talking to her mom yesterday about she was like, oh, the balls and this and that. And she's like, I really need help. And I said, the one thing they don't tell you about help is you have to remember to tell them what you need help with, too. So even when you have help and you can outsource things, you're still holding. all of that because you're still the one that needs to show up. By the way, delegating is also not easy. That's a whole skill in itself.

Fucking hard. Yeah, Aaron and I are very much, maybe me even more, like, I can do it myself. You know, since I was a little girl, my mom would, she'll remind me. She'd like, I never had to help you with her homework, ever. If I ever even attempted, I can do it myself. Leave me alone. I'm sure that's connected to some, you know, trauma, you know, some of that kind of stuff. But, um.

There is just now processing her childhood trauma. So we're here for it. Yeah. Yeah. But it is hard to ask for help. It's hard to delegate. Mm-hmm. That's all hard.

It's all hard. I mean, I struggle all the time. And I'm a single mom. And so like, yeah. I know. And doesn't have help. I don't have help. I just.

Oh, you don't have help? No. No, I know. She's never had help. She's had her mom. My mom has helped me. But never. Oh.

My world is rocked right now. So if you want to go on like a dinner with a friend or something, you just have a babysitter you call or you just don't go have dinner. And only my house. No, I do sometimes. But my mom has been there, but now my brother has a baby. And so I have to share my mom. And so that's been a whole new reality because she's always there with the baby. And my daughter's 10.

So it's different, you know? Oh, yeah. Sarah's about to experience that with because now I have a baby. And so our mom comes over. I touched on something. No, honestly, that my mom is really, she's amazing, but we are bumping heads, you know, so I'm actually, I'm happy. I'm ready to share. I'm ready to share. Blown away that you are a single mom and you have no help. So, realistically, when you have to do this podcast, what do you do? I mean, she's 10, I guess. She's at school. I do it while she's at school. Yeah. And like, but she's not at school right now. It's four, it's almost five. No, she's, she was did after care today. Oh, she did. Okay. Okay. You kept her. She kept her at school. Yeah. And then I have my friend who's also a neighbor and her daughter, Noah. She's going to know. I know. I'm sorry. I had to bring it up again. Don't say the name. I know. I know. But yeah. This girl's going to have to change her name.

Yeah, but listen. At the end of the day, I'm always the person that I always say, you know, when you, and I don't want to be judgy because it's really bad to judge other moms. But, you know, when I've had girlfriends who are like, I'm pregnant, I don't want it to change my life, though. It's like, well, then, you. don't have a child. I don't know. It's the whole point is that it's it is you are no longer the most important person in your life. Your child is now the most right you got to make sacrifices. You got to I mean, I have not I don't I don't I don't I personally don't go on girls trips. You know if I sort of you got to pick your poison. It's like if I'm not going to be there for pick up a lot of the time then I'm home at night. I do bedtime every night. We have dinner together every night unless it's a birthday or you know something really important like I'm getting paid to do something. I am home. And that is just how it goes, right? And I think that that's sort of how I

justify my absence from not every school event or, you know, things like that. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard. You can't, there's so much judgment with parenting and especially with moms, maybe not enough with dads, but I feel like, you need to be judging each other more. Yeah. Like, where's that culture? No, all those memes that are like, oh, Stephen's babysitting tonight. Like, you mean he's watching, he's parenting? He's parenting his child tonight? Yeah, exactly. I know.

I love those. It's, it's so true. I mean, and I will say when Breyer's dad is here, then, you know, she's with him too. So it's not totally. You'll get a little bit of time. But you can't plan things the same way. No. No.

No. No. No. And then there's guilt because like your friends are like, what am I seeing you, right? Like you never come to my dinners or like you don't call me back and you have then. I literally just had that. Oh, yeah. My friend had to put her dog down, which was so sad.

And I was checking on her every day, like texting, whatever. And then she was mad at me that I didn't call her. And so I was like, but I've been texting you every day checking in, you know? Whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait. So you've been texting, checking in, but you've been texting, checking in. you didn't call. Call. Yeah. Who calls and who even, if someone calls me, I'm like someone died. Oh, well, actually, well, there was. There was a guy. Oh. No, but I meant like a person, you know, no disrespect to the dog, but do you have people you do to, do you guys talk on the phone often?

I try, we try to avoid it. We do, but we do. I mean, I was going to say we don't really call for no reason, but we do that. We think that's right. That's right. You're, you're a, you're, you're a, a facetimer. I'm not, I'm fine to not face time. I'm fine to not do any of it. You just text. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Do you see each other? We see, I mean, we see each other all the time. Right. Wait, you know what's so funny. I went to high school with your stepmom. What? With Catherine. I was like, wait, what? I know. Okay. It sounds really funny. It does sound funny. Is it the, like, a, like a art school, like a, like a. It was, no, it's a private Catholic school in the valley, Notre Dame. Oh, oh my God. For some reason I thought in my mind that she went to like a...

Well, she was in like the drama and musical theater and like all that and we did some plays together and stuff. She's younger. I have a question. What do you call her? Because like I have my mom. Well, my mom remarried later in life and I don't call him my stepdad. I call him my mom's husband. We call her mommy.

She is mother. You know, I think when you're... I think in the situation that we're... we're in, we're so careful to never make it seem like there's tension because people always think it's, you know, they're always assuming there's tension with or isn't. And so if we were to say our dad's wife, I feel like it separates yourself from them so much that it might come across like, I don't know, I say a stepmom, but usually she sort of like, okay. What? It's so weird. But you know, my husband is in Nashville right now and Catherine is in Nashville. And they're in

Nashville, not like together on a trip, but they're like hanging out. And they were together last night, hanging out. And he was like, I introduced her all these people. And I was like, what did you introduce her as? And he's like, I landed on my father-in-law's wife. I knew it. Steve, that's what I'm so weird to say my wife's step-mom. My mother-in-law. This is my step-mother-in-law. This is my step-in-law. This is my mother-in-law. Because she would have been like, because she's like so hot, you know. I know. Yeah. Gorgeous. No. I think it's, I don't know when you're older, I just feel, I mean, for me it felt weird to be like, that's my stepdad because I'm like he wasn't. You know? Well, we've had a lot.

We've had so much weird shit in our family. Like, this is actually not, you know, this is like fine. And she's a good sport about it. Dots on you guys. I was like, this is. She's a really good sport because she has to take a lot of the heat. Right. So we just always want to make it easier and not draw attention to it, honestly.

No, I feel like you guys always handle it well and you're like funny and you guys, if you can like, you know, kind of laugh at it or whatever. Like you just put it out there. Sure. Which is something you guys do. Yeah, people love to do it like, oh, your stepmom's older, younger than you. Like, yeah. Who cares? Right. Yeah. I know. I love. People love a, you know. They love to point it out. People love a lot of things. Speaking of people loving things, the show. What the fuck. What happened, man. Look at this connection. I know. I know. And Aaron, you were on the OC. Yeah. Yeah. Dark, dark time in my life. Was it? Wait, was Rachel the one that didn't let you touch the sushi? No, she would have been the person. Spill the tea. Let's go, guys. Please tell me. Why are you talking about? No, she would never have been

that person. I said that so. She told Adam a story about it. He was asking what it was like when I was on the show, because we didn't interact. I didn't interact with anybody, really. You were on one episode, right? Wait, you were with Cam's crew, right? Yes, I was barely in the show. Cam's crew. You dated Cam.

You don't need to talk about that on the podcast. What? Yeah. And then tell him like that. Who's Cam? Is that the character? Is that the character? No, that's the actor.

The actor who played Volcheck, who played boyfriend. Volchek, who's Kevin Volchek, who's our boyfriend. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But you're real life boyfriend. He wasn't my real life boyfriend.

I want to know. I want to know what happened with the sushi. Something happened where basically when I got the job, I don't know if you remember Rachel, but the O's, he was a big deal. Okay? It was a big deal. And I was there. I think that was the fourth season.

How many seasons were there? There were four. I think it maybe three. Guys, to be clear, she was in one episode. But me, she was in one episode. Misha was in it, right? Because Misha died at the end of the third season. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Were you in multiple episodes, Aaron, or just one? I thought you were in more. Yeah. You had an arc. I'm sorry. I forgot. Jesus. Thank you.

Sarah, I was in more than one episode. Okay. Not as many as Rachel, but more than one. Okay. More than one. And basically all of this, this is the stupid story. The point is that I was like so nervous and I was so self-conscious at the time. And I was so, like,

out of my element and just like shook to be there, you know? And just feeling so awkward. And I just remember that I was in the hair and makeup trailer. And I genuinely do not remember like which actor it was. But someone was like, we're ordering Nobu for everyone. Like, what do you guys want? And it was like very clear that I was like not part of the ordering. And I remember like not really knowing like where to like should I, should I get in?

Offer my order. Thank God you didn't, you psycho. You would have been sushi. Sushi was brought. It was like put down like next to me. And it was like very clearly like you can't have this. And I don't remember who it was. So she went through the trash.

She went through the trash and got this. Basically. But wait a minute. I don't like that at all. It makes me so upset. I will tell you if I was involved, there's no way I would have excluded anybody from sushi. And I will say I did not eat sushi at the time. So I know it wasn't.

me? It wasn't. I don't think it was you. I don't even think I knew. There's no way. No, but wait, it was, it was tense by the time I came around. You know, it was, it wasn't like, third season. Yeah. But like, things were tense. But guys, also, people are expensive. And Aaron,

I'm sorry, it's like, what you, like, that's expensive and you're, don't know this person. And I actually understand. I don't think, guys, Sarah's not on my side. This track. But also, I feel like you just talk about it in front of other people.

That's shitty. I think it's shitty. I'm sorry that happened. I'm okay, guys. I'm okay. It was. It all worked out. It all.

It all. 100% with Brody. I mean. What if it was Adam? Oh my gosh. She would have never cast him. She would have been like not that guy.

You know what? We're not having on set. Can you believe like what's happened with him? I mean, oh my God. Yeah. Like, yes. Of course I can believe it, you know?

But like the fact that that's the only thing like in my face every time like I open Instagram, you know? And I'm just like, I'm just looking at Brody. He's like, every day. He's the world. He's the sexiest man alive for the world. Like, everyone's obsessed with him. Obsessed. I know. Hot rabbi. Who knew? Like, all it needed was like that little spin on it. And you know, I'm good friends with Kristen too. So to see like two people, I'm like, these are my people. Support for Bad Ideas comes from Blissie. Okay, I think everyone knows I've been sleeping on a Blissie pillowcase for a while, not only myself, but my daughter, Breyer. Honestly, my hair and her hair

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30% off. Your skin and hair will thank you. 30% off is a lot. It's a lot. It's really good. How is it being on the other side of it? Like, I know you originally wrote it, right, to starring it yourself. Yes, I did. And I can't tell you, I know it's easy to say this since I'm not in it, but I'm so grateful that I'm not in it for so many reasons. I mean, one is that Kristen is so good in it and it makes me so happy that she's the person. And two, it's like, it's really not where I'm at in my life today, you know? I mean, it's more than I can handle being in the writer's room for the first half of the day and then being on a

podcast at four and then being with my, you know, new baby. And like, I just, I just am not in that place where I want, um, where I want to be in hair and makeup for two hours and be up at 5 a.m. I just, I feel like it's enough. I've done enough. So it doesn't. So, it's still, I'm always curious about that because I feel like there was something in you write to drive you to write it. And once you've done that, because we've been trying to, you know, we dabble, obviously not. Yeah, not to your level in any way, shape, or form. But just even the dabbling of like being on the other side of things and feeling like, oh, this is nice to have input and control in a way that you're not like waiting for. for someone to choose you or pick you

or any of those, like, icky, sticky feelings. Yes. And so for both of you to be behind the scenes and you can speak on this as a producer, Sarah, like, do you feel powerful? Well, I think our turning point was barely famous was the show that we wrote years ago when we were actresses auditioning for everything, right?

Like going on a million auditions and Aaron was writing on a Ryan Murphy show. And were you still auditioning as an action? even after the Ryan Murphy show? Or not really. Not really. And that was kind of the one moment where everything shifted for us. And then we became going like, if we don't have creative control, I don't, I have no interest.

I mean, yeah, okay, the money is a solid paycheck. Nobody can complain about that. But I can't really see myself. I just didn't, we didn't have the same drive and passion for being like a working actress anymore. It just shifted. It all, it all shifted. And then after Barely Famous, we took a tech job at Bumble.

And that was really like. I was like, that's so cool. Yeah. And people were like, wait, you're just coming off the heels of barely famous. Finally, you guys are being, you know, somewhat taken seriously as like comedic actresses and writer-producers and show creators. And now you're going to go, that's a weird pivot, right? And that turned out to be like one of the most incredible experiences for us. And I don't know if I'm answering your question.

But anyways, I like being. behind the same. We do. I definitely feel more powerful in this position. I mean, I don't know what your experience was, Rachel, like, how fast do you have the success that you had? I don't know that story, but like being a actress who did not have success, I never felt any sense of control. And the reasons why you're not being chosen are all of your deepest, darkest insecurities. It's all about your how you look. and your body and your height and your age. She's pointing at me. No, we talked about this ugly, bitch.

We talked about it this morning. No, we did because I'm, that's my experience. And so it's been like, you're an actress. Yeah, it's been a really, I, I dip in and out, you know. I dip dabble and do other things and find creative ways. But then there's still that kind of craving that hasn't yet been satiated. And so it's like hard to walk away when you're like, what am I walking away from? Like I haven't fully done the thing to the extent that I dreamt of doing it.

So when do you sort of take it into your own hands? That's the question. But Aaron, wouldn't you agree that it was eye-opening, that it's been eye-opening, being on the other side watching all the casting tapes, watching all the auditions. Everyone is going on. In my mind, when I would go on these auditions, I'd be like, oh, my. God, they're going to watch these tapes being like, what a joke. I can't even believe you think you're an actress. I can't even believe you would even walk in here and say these lines. Like, that was the narrative in my head every time I would leave an audition. And the truth is,

we watched hundreds of actors, tapes, all of them. You never think that being a producer, being the creator, the writer. You really don't. You watch and everybody's good. You, but you know, I don't know, Aaron, if you agree, but you know right away. I almost felt like I knew before someone even opened their mouth. Like, I can't explain it. It's just, I feel like it's like dating. It's like, yeah. It has to be. Yeah. It makes me think about like when I was single, there were times where I would go on a date and it was a great date. Like, good conversation. The guy is cute. Like, everything tracks and I'd close my card door and I'd be like, I never want to see him again. Yep. Don't know why. I just, it's just not there. Like, I can't point to anything, right?

You're pointing at me? I was pointing at the, the, the, the, that we were talking about icks earlier. Like that just that feeling of like a no. Even if you don't even see an ick and you're just like, I don't know, I had a lovely time. He seems wonderful. It's just that's not him. Right. It's not him. And so it's the same thing with seeing an actor's tape. You're like, oh my God, she's beautiful. She's funny. She looks great. Everything is amazing. I don't know. Just not her. And you don't know why. And you wouldn't even know what to point to. And so it is fun watching those, but it's also like heartbreaking. No, it's so, yeah.

I've been on hundreds of those tapes. Right. And you're sitting there wanting to know why. Why isn't it me? It's the same way that you're on a date going, why? Why don't want to be with me? I mean, hello. Aaron started a company 20 years ago called Who Got My Part.com or whatever it was because

it would lean into that insatiable thing of who's better than me. This was before, before, you know, you had to wait so long to find, no, literally 20 years ago. Like you had to wait so long to figure out who's the person that's better than you. Who's the person that has what you don't have? It was like I know who they are. It was like an addiction. I just remember being like, who got it? It was me.

I know it was me. And it's harder, the closer you get. Like I remember at one point there was like one girl who got everything I got close on. And I think she's like maybe Rachel McAdams now or something, you know. And I was like, I would see it. And I'd be like, I agree with that. I could see you being Rachel McAdams type. So did they.

They're like, you're good, but there's Rachel McAdams. You know? Speaking to, like, Josh Schwartz has always told me, my role on the OC was like, supposed to be like blonde, like, whatever. And he said, I walked in. He was like, you were funny. So you're saying I'm not funny. But like also at the same time, not everybody's a right.

I'm not a writer. Not everybody can just go like, okay, well, screw acting. I'm going to be a show creator. I mean, Aaron and I, you know, after barely famous, you know, there were many other things that never went. You know, when we, when we had our deal at 20th selling shows, we pitched five other shows. Like, nobody wants this is the one that went. But there's been so many things that haven't gone, you know, Aaron being a writer, me producing and us developing things. And so it's like, I don't. want to shit on being an actress because being an actress is freaking great. And the highs were so high, but they're hard. They're hard in such different ways. And yeah, but you, but listen, no matter what, you do have more control as a writer. You do. Of course. Creating the reality that you want to see instead of an actor who is going to, you know, live inside the reality that you create. I mean, it's just, it's just different. And I will say that I think that when you, you, like what I watched Kristen do on set really made me feel like

I was never meant to be an actress which is why it wasn't working. I mean, not even like to diss myself. I literally was like, oh, that's what it looks like when you really care about what you're doing and you are doing it well. She's coming in with notes across, you know, her scenes and she's been thinking it through it from every direction.

She's like editing in her mind, I think, well, she's acting. Yeah. I'm looking at it and I'm just like, I didn't feel that way. I really didn't feel that way about being an actress. I was sort of like just memorizing my lines like right before and just sort of assuming that I would figure it out. It wasn't like in me the same way. And so I do think that you have to, if you're a creative person, find that thing that you want to do your best at. You want to do the homework on it. You know, you're thinking about it when you're not supposed to be thinking about it. Like that wasn't actually. acting for me. So, you know, it didn't bring up with me. I broke up with it. I like it, which is, which is great. And I think that that's kind of like I'm obsessed with like all the self-help world and stuff. And most of the time they're like, follow, you know, Joseph Campbell, follow your bliss. And whatever it is and being open to it, shape shifting. So it's like, it could have started as

you're acting. And then through that, you realize it's writing or producing or your clothes, whatever it is, but you have to really keep going with whatever the passion is in the moment until another current takes you. Everything is the stepping stone to get you closer to that thing. If you say yes, if you stay open, if you listen to people's feedback for you. And if you, you know, it's like there's another concept that I feel like I read about in a Glennon Doyle book that was about envy. And like if you have, if you meet.

someone at a bar and they're like, oh my God, I just wrote a book. And you feel that thing of like, what the fuck? I could write a book. Why aren't I writing a book? Like, follow your envy, right? Somebody else might hear that and go like, congrats, cool. I don't care. But if you're feeling like, well, if they can do it, I can do it. Why aren't I writing my book? Like, I had a coffee the other day with Nagar, who is the costume designer on, nobody wants this. And she said, Erin, if I had watched this show, I would have been jealous of the person who did the clothes for this show. Right. That's the show I want to do.

Like, I would have been jealous. Like, this is exactly what I wanted to do. And I thought about it and I was like, oh, my God, the amount of TV shows that I've watched and thought, fuck, why didn't I write that show? Like, that should have been the show I wrote. If I had watched this show, I would have been so annoyed with myself. Angry. I couldn't have fucking written that. Why didn't I?

I would have been so jealous. And so I think that that's the feeling that you have to follow. And you don't get it right the first time. And it's not always going to be blissful right away too. And like following your bliss. It's not a lot of the things we've done that are now are blissful now. We're not blissful then. Right. That makes sense. You know, 100%. So so I think that there's, you know, yes, do what makes you happy. But like, you know, things that high reward comes with risk and comes with. coming out of your comfort zone, I think, you know, more so. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because to be 100% honest, I feel like that about you guys. I do. Oh, my God. That's so sweet. It's true.

Like, I see you guys and I'm like, they've got the thing. They've got the thing. Like, you remind me of us, like the way we, I'm like, you're the shit. You remind me of us. No, no, but you have the, you have the beat. and everything that you do. I'm like, okay, whether it's the podcast, whether it's writing, whether it's the,

you know, I know the fashion, all of it. I'm like, they've got the beat. And it's so sweet. It's, I swear, I don't feel like we have the beat. I'm telling, and I, you might not believe that. But it's an offbeat. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, but it's, it's, it's the beat, like watching the show. I was like, oh, they are like our people in that sense. Like, so I look at that and I feel jealous. but I feel more like inspired. Yes. Truly. That's really good.

I'm like, that's the prototype. I got to say this. You being like that, right? Like you probably stepping out of your comfort zone to say that, maybe being a little vulnerable, being like saying that makes me feel so much closer to you. Like it actually really does. It's just such a reminder as,

I don't even want to say as women, as human beings to, you know, like put yourself. I don't want to say put yourself. out there. But that was so sweet of you to say and such a nice thing to admit. And then it was a moment and then now I feel closer to you. And I think there's so much bullshit. There's just so much trying to be cool and trying to be. And it's just like, I don't have time for that shit. I'm not interested. And it makes me kind of go like, oh, what do we have for you? And oh, like, maybe there's something that you could want to, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just a

reminder as people to like give each other compliments, give each other their flowers. Like it's just, just a reminder. Whenever I'm having a strong feeling like that, I usually think it's like, this is a universal experience. How can I put this in a piece of work? Because if I feel this way, I know millions of other people feel this way. And that feeling that happens when it's like, then all of a sudden you go, okay, is there an interesting TV show about a girl who like watches a TV show that whatever it is, like,

go through those steps. And you go, like, that's a unique experience, but it's still a universal experience. And that's always what I did was take the things in my life that were making me uncomfortable or were parts of my life that I was embarrassed of or ashamed of or not proud of. And I figured if I feel this way, then everybody feels this way. And so how do I put that into something? And that's the crazy part, too. Is it like what you touched on in the beginning of like, Okay, so with acting, it hits on all your deepest insecurities, right? And nobody's drawn to acting without a desire to be seen and to be witnessed. And so.

Well, and to be loved. And to be loved. Yeah. Yeah. But then you take those insecurities and that kind of whatever it is that you're going through and you put it into writing. And now you're being seen on a level you probably never saw coming. Did you? Totally.

Or did you always know? You're like, not fucking no. But like when you take those things and you put them into some sort of art instead of, I think at least for me personally with acting, I tried to pretend my whole life to be normal or okay or not jealous or cool like what you were saying. Instead of taking those vulnerabilities and being like, I'm in pain or this feels awful or whatever it is. And then you put it into some sort of art. and now everyone's like, I see you. Yes.

Yes. I think it's like, you know, where I feel like this has become so, it took a meta-conversation. Like it's like, this thing is inside. This thing is inside of this thing. It's like it's an onion. I mean, it's the experience that you're having is the same experience everybody else I don't know what it's happening. Right?

It just is. It just always is. And so if you're truthful about it, everyone's going to see you because they see it in themselves. And any time you try to fake the funk and you're trying to fake the funk and you're trying to try to pretend like you're happy for someone when you're not and you try to pretend to be above it. You try to pretend to be more mature than you are to not be being petty about something to everyone feels it. And so it's like when you actually tell the truth, you, it's why it's like sets you free. It's because other people see themselves in your experience, you know, you just know the truth.

We're also watching everybody's highlight reel all fucking day long. You, you, you, you are watching, I don't know if you follow it or whatever, whatever, whatever perception. you have of us that we're doing so well or whatever. But like, it's, everyone's looking at our highlight reel. All the good moments, all the successes, all the wins. Nobody, we're not showing, I mean, yeah. A lot of blitz if you're following Sarah. Yeah, a lot of Brazil, a lot of plastic surgery. No, I think workout butt lifts, Sarah. Oh, oh, I thought you were going to say. Okay, I do not have a Brazilian butt left, but I was going to go with it, even though I've looked into it. But by the way, but by the way, but I think about this all the time. I'm like, I'm killing

myself in the gym and all, you know, you see people online and you just go in for a few little injections in the butt and you have this perky, perfect ass. I mean, but that's another conversation. But we're all how it works. I know. I'm like, that's why I know. I think it's a little more complicated than that. But, but, but no, a lot of people are doing a lot of weird shit to their bodies, you know? That's true. But no, it's, it's, like, We don't need to get into, you know, the most repetitive conversation of all time, but social media and how it's impacted our self-worth and our insecurities. And, you know, it triggers a lot of things. And so that can fuck with you.

You know what I mean? Like, that can really mess with you. We talk about it all the time. Yeah. Because I think that you're the only one experiencing what you're going through and everyone else is fine. Right. Nobody's fine. No.

I mean, there's very, it's. And if they are, we don't want to be friends with them. Never. Ever. I am a very new mom, so I'm like behind a lot of this stuff, but it's all like hitting me at once. And I now realize that there's this added layer of pressure where I'm like, oh, I want my daughter to be proud of me. And I had never thought of that before. Like, oh, God, is she, she's too little to know that I'm having success right now.

Like, where am I going to be, you know, when she's right? Right. You're like, I can be working at Chapo-way when she's 10. You know, I think. I'm like, is she don't even care about this? Oh my God. You like invest all your money in the wrong investment. You go up with like a huge like loser mom.

Oh, I love that for you. I love that for you. She's only six months old. A lot can happen by the time she knows. Yeah. You know what you've done. You should record it. This show is not going to be relevant by the time she realized.

This show is not going to be on the air when she when she knows. It's so funny. I love my goodness. Good news for you is. 20th is expecting us to deliver many more shows. There you go. Typey, typey, Typey, Typey. Typey. Typey.

Typey. But the funny, we interviewed someone yesterday and we asked them like about a humbling moment in their life. And she said something along the lines of like that she would, she had become a lesson in people's homes, basically on what not to do. And that was like a really. hard pill to swallow. Wait, what do you mean? Like as a mom? How? Because she was an Olympian and an athlete, and she got in some hot water for Tanya Harding? No, that would be dope. We need Tanya Harding. That would be a great interview. I went to the same exact thing. Yeah, like, don't break anyone's knee. Oh, my God. Basically, she was like, you know, it's a really hard pill to swallow when you're a lesson that people use.

with their children. And that hit so hard. You're saying that they're going to be a lesson? I was saying that you guys could be a good lesson. Got it. Because I think people have misconceptions of you. I think they think because your father and because the people you're related to. And I think that at least correct me if I'm wrong, there was a lot of blood, sweat and tears

that has gone into what you guys have built. Absolutely. And to me, that is a lesson that you're going to be able to give your children because more is taught, more is caught than taught. That's what they're watching. That's what's going into their programming. You know, we all have like, what's the chip on your shoulder? What's the thing that you carry from third grade?

You know, what's the thing that everyone said to you? And you're always trying to, like, prove everybody wrong. and everyone is different, and Sarah's might be different than mine, but for sure that's like my thing is proving that I worked, proving that I care and that I show up and that I am not a brat and that it wasn't handed to me. And I might know that like, you know, no one can write a script for you. And no matter who your parent is, no one's going to give you the opportunities that I've had

or whatever, deliver on them. Or Warren Buffett's daughter would have a hit show. on Netflix. If it worked like that. But like no matter what we do, if you look at the comments, they're there. Right. You can see that there's a comment that's like, oh, Daddy bought it for you or something. I'm like, bought what? Like bought Netflix? I don't understand. You're responsible for this, you know? Right. And it still stings when you see it. It still feels shitty because I think that the, I don't know if this is a more famous. male-driven thing. But I do think a big, big part of evolving and growing up and getting comfortable

in your own skin is accepting that some people will have the wrong impression of you. That's tough. And you just have to live with it. Yeah. It's hard. It is. Then you're the person who's like defending yourself and justifying things and you just look crazy. It's like you just have to accept it. Yeah, we kind of go like, yeah, we're we're, we're, we're a, we're a, baby's, sure. Yeah, we are. But here's what I think we've realized. I think Aaron and I have had points where we've looked at each other and we've been like, what is wrong with us? Our whole life, we have worked so hard to not grab the low-hanging fruit. We never did a reality show. We never

even wanted to appear on the reality show that our family members were on. You know what I mean? Like we were so like we're going to do this the right way. We want to do it, you know, blah, blah, blah, and still, it's like, oh, well, of course they're doing well. I mean, look who their dad is. We're like, we're not singers. We're not in the same business. We're not in the same business. You know, so we find ourselves, like, getting defensive and then just being like, who cares? But what we have come to is that we did have a leg up and not because our dad was like, oh, I'm going to buy you this career. I'm going to put you in. Our acting careers would have been way better if our dad had any pull. Let me tell you. But what we've realized is we had in-rope.

We grew up in Hollywood. We grew up around people. We knew how to talk to people. And Aaron, it was all let Aaron say, because she's the one that really came to this conclusion. She's like, we learned how to be in rooms. We learned how to network. I mean, Aaron did, but I did.

A good networker. No, but all the worst networker. I think Montana, actually, who works with us, kind of flagged this thing for me whenever it was a couple of years ago. I was standing up for myself against someone who was very powerful. And I was like knocking a budge. And I was not going to let this person make me feel bad or push me around. And I was like very firm.

And she said, you know, it's interesting. I think that you guys get a lot of shit, Nepo babies, whatever. She's like, this is an area where I think if you didn't grow up the way you grew up, you wouldn't be comfortable standing up to this person because you don't have the fear of, I'm going to be run out of this town kind of thing. When you grow up around a parent who's powerful, successful people around you, and you're exposed to that and you're sitting at dinner tables at 14 having, you know, debates with people who run studios and not having like the fear of God in you that you can't speak to someone like that. You know, like I challenged people because our dad always encouraged me to say whatever I wanted. Well, you were, you were too afraid to ask for sushi.

That's, that's, we know it. You wanted that spicy tuna roll. But I think that that is an advantage I didn't think about before is that it's like a privilege to have the confidence that I can step up to someone and not be scared like I'm going to be sent back to Ohio because I don't know anybody in this town. You know, that it is different. But it doesn't give you a career. But it definitely like gives you, I think more probably like I belong here energy. I think it also makes people feel better about themselves to chalk it up to like, oh, well, they're only winning because of who their dad is. I'd be winning too if my dad was, you know, a powerful music producer. I think there's also a lot of that. I think a lot of people also, which I do the same thing in other ways. I'll put someone down in my mind or to a girlfriend just because it's going to make me feel a little bit better that I'm not doing it as well as them. Like, I'll admit that for sure. It makes you feel better for about two seconds and then you feel shitty. And then you feel shitty. Yeah, it's not long lasting whatsoever.

Yeah. No. And it's irrelevant. Did you guys intentionally wear the same pants today? No. No. She showed up and we had the same pants on. And I had a black shirt on and I changed it. Are those just like Adidas? Adidas. What are they? No. They're not Adidas. She did get them for me though. Yeah. She's a really good best friend, you guys. She is. Well, she saw them. Yeah. Yes. Oh, that's cute. She saw them. I want to be friends with you guys.

Yeah. We are now. We are friends now. I'm not all to where you live, but I'll come in there. You come. Yeah. I'll come over there. We'll get you pants.

No, she did. You saw them and she's like, she's going to be jealous of these if I show up to her house and them, so I have to get them for her too. I knew if I walked in wearing them, she'd be like, what are those? So I just got ahead of it. That's really nice. That's so cute. How long have you guys been friends for?

25 years? 25, 26 years. Something like that. Yeah. We're from here. Like grew up L.A. Same thing. You guys both grew up in L.A.?

Yeah. Yeah. So then, I mean, did you grow up in L.A. in a way that what I said relates to? Yeah, I was going to comment on that. I did. I did not. I was on the other side of the tracks.

Sure was. Rachel, you grew up like industry adjacent or in the... Yeah, so my, like, on my dad's side, everybody is in the business on the other side of the camera, director, writer, all of it. I was the first one to go to the other side and act, but I grew up on sets. I grew up, you know, so what you were saying I could really relate to because, like, when I'm there, it doesn't feel foreign. You know, I'm just like, yeah, this is this.

And Crafty's my favorite thing that's ever existed. And, like, as a kid, you know, and, like, all of that. So there was a lot of that for me, too. It just was, like, this comfortability. Yeah, I think that's a huge part of it. it's just such an intimidating world. If you remove that intimidation, I mean, obviously, I've talked earlier about how intimidated I was on the OC said. Like, it still happens. But you do come to it with a bit more of experience. And I do think it gives you an upper hand.

Yeah, that makes sense. I've never heard it put like that, but it makes perfect sense that it's neutralized for you. It's not some, you know, big, scary thing that you have to get past. like, oh, no, Joe, was it, you know, so-and-so's Thanksgiving, you were entrenched in that world, so it wasn't foreign at all. You know what's really funny, though, like when my, one of our best friends, she's, I mean, she's like a sister at this point, but Kate Hudson, when people are like, Nepo, baby, you're my, she's like, yes, because she doesn't have, because she's like, I'm a fucking Academy Award nominated actress. I know my worth. I know how good I am, you know, And it's like, you got to just kind of...

There's so much power and not being defensive. There's just so much power. Yeah, whatever. But then I have friends who are the kids of very famous people who things aren't going well for them. And it's very, very triggering. The response is like out of this world where I've sometimes been like, like, take it back. Like it just, you can't react like that, right? So, you know.

Was that hard for you guys growing up with her? with Kate? Yeah. Well, when we, so we went to high school together. She's older than me. So I was in ninth grade. She was in 11th grade. So when we became friends, there was already that dynamic of she's an 11th grader.

I'm a ninth grader. And she was just so fucking cool. But at that point, I had no interest in being an actress, right? And she was already acting. So it was more just fun. It was like, oh, my God. Like, I get to hang out of Goldie Hans' house on the weekends. And you can't imagine the things that.

would go on there, like just amazing. You know, you would just be exposed to so many. It was a different world because our dad was music. So our dad was not Hollywood. He was the music business, which at that time in the late 90s was very, very different. Hollywood was like royalty. It was just royalty. I mean, you know, Madonna at our house, you know, writing songs with our dad was not as cool

as being at dinner with like Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins. I'm just telling you. It was like, it was just a very. different thing. And so I was always just really, there was no competition because she was already just such a different world. She became famous so young. I was like modeling when she was nominated for her Oscar. So she really was, I mean, she almost exposed me to more than anyone else in my life. She took me to Versace show. I mean, she's, I'm her Nepo baby, actually. She showed me more and took me more people and introduced me to more people way more than my dad, you know.

Right. But she never put me in one of her movies, which I've said before, like, I'm actually like kind of fucking pissed about it. Yeah. Have you ever confronted her on that? You just did. No, no. Yeah, I hope she's listening. No.

She's, but people have said that before. Remember when we did their podcast, Allie was like, was that? hard for you when she got so. I was like, what? No, I didn't even think it was even attainable for me to be an actress. But it could be hard for someone. No. Were you guys friends before Rachel got the OC? Yeah, I auditioned for the OC. She did for for Marissa, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I came home and I was like, you need to audition for summer. And I wanted to audition for Marissa. And I was like, yeah. Wow. Okay. So what would that like? That was hard. I mean, we talked about it. There's been a lot of healing around that. I mean, I had to walk away from the business completely get sober.

I went to school for psychology. I was like, wow. Really unwell with the whole situation. Of course. And it was that would be hard for anybody, by the way, coming up together, you know, and then, you know, you became so famous. I mean, it was like out of the circuit. Yeah. Like, I remember. It was like, yeah. But we, we definitely, you know, that was hard. But I think it was also just, for me, it was harder on a, like, spiritual level. On a way of, like, who am I? And it was also, like, so many almost yasses that it was like, if I hear one more no, I don't know if I'm going to, like, survive this thing.

So I had to step completely away and be like, I need to figure out who I am. From all these yeses and those. Yes. And then Rachel is by rocketed. I mean, that's also her. When you're succeeding and you feel like guilty about it, you feel like you're leaving someone behind or that your success. It's like if you enjoy it too much, you're somehow abandoning someone. I mean, that's hard.

We really like, it's kind of like we have another best friend too. There's three of us. And like we kind of just did it together, though. Like in my, you know what I mean? Like not literally, but you guys were with me the whole time, like going to all the things. I was her Nepo baby. Yeah. And it was, you know, we were always hanging out and, like, it was very intertwined and very together.

And I've never separated from, like, my people, my best friends, like my family, you know, like even through all of it. But yeah, they really just were there. We were together. But it was that because for a long time it was kind of like this. Like, Olivia and I, like, oh, a little part here, commercial here, whatever. And so when something like that happens and I've been saying. I think it all like equals that. It all evens out at some point, you know, not like, not like I would ever in a million years compare my career to Kate's. Like it's just I would never even try to do it. But when Barely Famous came out, we'd go places and people would come up to the table and they'd be like, oh my God, I'm obsessed with Paraly Famous. They didn't even talk to her. You know what I mean? Like there were, it's a very small comparison. But things, you know, things even out. They just do. They even out at some point in different ways. Yes. They just do.

I think so too. I always think like being sober if you're talking to someone who wants to drink or wants to do something we always say play the tape out. Play it out till the end. We don't know where this is going yet. So if you play it out

and that's career, that's love, that's family. It's like you don't know where any of this is. She has what I always thought I'd have, which is like the husband and the kids and the family and you know what I mean? And it looks completely different for me.

I never married my baby daddy. Like, you know, 11 years, but not married, don't have like the thing. And so it's always kind of like. Yeah, we guide each other in those ways where I can be like, okay, let me help with this. And she's like, okay, let me guide you here. We both have something that we can kind of help each other with. And also helps me a lot more than I help her. That's not true at all.

And how beautiful you guys work together now, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I do think that what you're saying is true in that. And it's like it can come out cynical, but it's not meant to be. It's just that someone's going to have a win that feels like painful to you, but they're also going to have pain themselves. And it's not always going to be perfect for them.

And so it's like you're going to have things that she doesn't have. She's going to have things that you don't have. Sarah and I both have experienced that a million different ways in our relationship. and I have that with all of my friends. And so it's like, when someone's up the next day they're down, don't feel abandoned by the being up and be ready to be there for them when it all falls apart. I get anxious sometimes. I'm like, oh, God, oh, God, this is going really well?

Like, is it going to fall apart? And then I have to face the embarrassment of it, you know? Like, you just, sometimes you're bracing yourself for what's next because you're so. You know, we're always waiting for the other shoe to drop, I feel like. I feel like, I'm definitely, I definitely, I'm always like, I'm going to be broke. I'm going to have nothing. You know, I always, I, well, I think that honestly, we need to deprogram ourselves from being an actress for so many years, from all the, you get so close and then you don't.

And then you think you're going to be in this hit. People are telling you you're the next this. And then five people see them. It's like the highs are just, the little, little highs, the little, the very few wins are just, it's a drug. It's like serotonin to the max. And I don't know. I think it's just you're constantly.

chasing this feeling and chasing it's just there's no consistency there's just no structure there's no you can never just relax like what's the saying you're oh you're only as successful as your last job or your last hit or whatever it is it's just like you can never actually relax so i think as someone myself who was you know quote unquote acting for 20 years since whatever or maybe not 20 17 years or trying to it we got a deep program i know that i've had to deep i know that i've had to deprogram. Same. I'm constant. Every day I'm trying to deprogram from all of that. It's like who, who, who, yeah, what really is fulfillment? What is joy? What is being satiated? All of those things are illusions. And we know this. Like, they don't last forever, right? God doesn't give with two hands. There's always a trade. And it's really hard not to tether your self-worth to

external validation sources. It is those dopamine hits where you're like, oh, I feel good. I feel seen. I feel this, that. Oh, I feel depleted. It's a constant chase. People are attracted to how you make them feel. That's what that's the feel. But also there's a give and take with like, as soon as something's really hitting or really working, everyone's instinct is to tear it down, right? You don't deserve it. You didn't work hard for this. It's always going to have that other side to it. And so it's like if you can attach yourself less and less to the feedback and the reactions from everyone. Yeah, fucking feedback. The feedback. We've been through that. We've been through that.

Don't offer me any one feedback. It's such a weird world. It's such a weird world. We're going to do a few fun questions. But guys, you know, all we can control is like not directly, aligning our self-worth with that shit. We just have to really, really, really create our own self-worth having zero attachments to if we got that acting role or that TV show or that, you know, arc on Grazenata,

who gives a shit? You know what I mean? It's like, what? It's hard. Yeah. Yeah, that's all I have to say. That's it. Who are two people that you'd love to see box each other?

Probably us in these pants. besides Jake Paul and Mike Tyson Yeah I know Two people who should box each other Okay what do you have Sarah I'm just trying to think of like Who's like a feud that I'm curious about Like who

Who's like a Yeah like to hate each other They can't be in the same room I don't know like who This is hard This is hard I guess Sarah and I should go for it That's so boring. We do that all the time.

Wait, I want to have a good answer for this. Who's like a celebrity breakup that is like... Like Ben and J-Lam? I could care less about those too. That is... No, I like celebrity gossip, but that is not interesting to me. It just doesn't do it. Well, it's because they've broken up too many times at this point.

I'm just not paying attention. Yeah. Fair. Trying to think of other recent ones. I can't this is the brain this is the brain we should we should care about this you're gonna come with it at like three in the morning yeah you're gonna wake up and you're gonna be like

dang I have the perfect answer dang can I just I don't want to see anyone box like I want to see people like run into each other like in an awkward restaurant like box I don't care okay fair when was the last time you made a prank call you know what's so shitty I mean not shitty but like it came out

the wrong way is that when Justine Loup got the job, I called her and I was like going to do like a fake like, hey, just want to thank you so much for coming in. And but I like kind of like took it too far. And she was like literally on the verge of tears. And by the time I turned her and she's like, oh my God, that was so mean. I'm like, I'm so sorry. I was trying to like, you're so awkward.

Oh my God. It was so. We just want to thank you for coming in. You know, you're talented. and we appreciate you. And I hope I can work together with you soon. She was like, okay. And then I turned it around and said,

but anyway, we want to offer you the job. And she was like, what? Oh, my God. That's good. That should be like standard protocol. Standard protocol, yeah. Yeah, everyone gets it taken away before they get it and see how happy they are.

You know how grateful you are. Yeah. They did that on Friends. Didn't for some. Sorry. Okay. What did they do on? I don't know.

I feel like there was like a lie. But, oh, to see if she was. she was pregnant if she really cared. Oh yeah. If she really wanted to have the baby. That's right. I don't remember that. They did it.

They did it. They did it. I do kind of remember that. Sarah, have you prank called anyone in a while? It's been a minute. It's been a minute since I've done it. Is there anyone we could just prank call real quick?

Mm-hmm. Like, do we have anyone good that, like, deserves it? That deserves it. You know what I mean? That, like, really deserves a good prank call. You should call Kate Hudson and see you just got a call asking if you want an addiction for her role in her new Netflix show. I know, but the problem is, is that I have, she, she sent me like a passive aggressive text yesterday and I have to like deal with it before, I mean, I could.

Before you, before you paint color. Before you paint color. You have to deal with the situation. If you had a dick for a day, what would you do with it? That's a good question. Look at it's a good question. Yeah. Well, you have to like sleep with somebody, obviously.

I would. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just like know what that feels like. Yeah. I really guess. Go anal, I guess.

That's what guys are going to do. Okay. You guys always want to do that. So it must be something about it. Would you do it with? Would you? Oh. I guess I can't make my husband do that with me, right?

You know, no, he wouldn't go for that. I don't know. Maybe he picks who it is. Yeah. Wait, is that the fact of all guys want to do anal? Do we think that's true? All guys? I've never been pushed that hard, to be honest.

Mm-hmm. I don't think that there's a lot of guys I don't think that come with it as much as they really like Wait come with it like come from it or come with it? No. Like bring it like as much as they really. Oh, I just thought you made. Me too. I was like, okay, Rachel.

I like this podcast got really dirty at five minutes. Yeah. This podcast is five years. You're about to get some new listeners. It's dark out now. It's after your hour. Yeah. Reith is so funny.

I know. I put my foot in my mouth. Too many times, you guys. No, I'm like saving with like a hot girl or something. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that I would do.

I guess like send girls pictures of it. That's what guys like to do before, right? Ew. That's true. Unsolicited and dick picks. Do you have any, have you guys ever been love bombed? Oh, either of you? I just learned what this dang term was from Aaron.

Oh, Sarah. I've been with the same person, you know, for 17 years. So. Long, that's a long time. Long time. Did he love bomb you into it? No, we were just like, no. We were just like all in really fast.

Not really fast. I did love bombed. I have been love bombed. And it worked every time. Yeah. Yeah, you know what? Yeah. I'm not going to fall for it again.

You what? I always think I can fall for it again. Yeah. I was just going to say, I'm ready to like love bomb some people. I was just like, really, bitch. Like, I'm going to love bomb you. I'm going to, I'm going to do it for the ladies. I'm going to go out.

Your turn. Love bomb all. All these guys. What if it's like how to lose a guy in 10 days, but it's like how to love bomb. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not going to catch feelings. I'm just going to love bomb the shit out of you. And then I go to. No, I could never.

I'm a, we decided. What am I, Aaron? I'm a sapie sapien or something. I mean, we didn't decide. You decided. It's, it's, you can't be attracted to somebody. You can't be sexually attracted to somebody unless you're emotionally attracted to them. Oh, that's, like a term.

There's a term for it. Yeah. I was going to say a pescatarian, but that's, That's, you only eat fish. No, but we just discussed this on our pod. But yeah, I only eat fish and fuck people I love. No, I've never once gone out and seen a hot guy and been like, I need to rip his clothes off. Like, never, ever, never.

I'm the same as you. Never. I'm exactly the same. I need that, like, connection to actually want to do it. Yeah. Not to say that I haven't done it. I mean, I'll call you in, you know, I'll call you in a couple months, but pretty, so far, so far, no. It might be something to play with.

You know, feel it out. No pun intended. It could just, yeah, it could just be a story that you're sticking to. True. I think that what you need in that, like, I told a girlfriend today, I said, what you need is a really hot guy to sleep with, but one that you know you're not going to catch feelings for. Who do you tell that to? Yeah, but it wouldn't be good sex. I don't.

Okay. Well, who knows? We're speaking too hypothetical here, again, I don't know. Yeah, we don't know that it wouldn't be good sex. We don't know. It needs to be tried. We don't know. Okay. If you could go on one reality show, what would it be? Ooh, Love Island. Love Island.

Is that the one? Wait, that's the one where they're all... Yeah, got it. I had to go in my head. I don't know if it would be like a real housewives type show. So I'm like, listen, ladies, let me show you how this shit's done. You know what I mean? Like, you cannot push... But then also, I don't know, like, love is blind. Is that... I just saw it for the first time. It's my favorite show. I'm kind of... this like I'm kind of in like could I catch feelings like that it's just sort of you know interesting to think about but I don't know like you I feel like it well it sounds like you probably would be more

open to that being yeah yeah you have to have the emotional connection yeah agree yeah but an emotional connection with someone who I know is attractive so I don't know that I can get that emotional I don't again hypothetical hypothetical hypothetical I don't know Favorite junk food? Doritos. Which flavor? Corancha cheese. I'll eat an entire jumbo bag.

Like, actually. And you said ice cream? I'm psychotic about everything being organic, but I love ice cream. She loves a vegan organic Twinkie. That doesn't exist. That sounds disgusting. No, I don't do vegan. What kind of ice cream?

I love Strauss. Yep. I love I love Jenny's. Yeah. I want to know the flavors. McConnell's.

Oh, I'm a chocolate chip gal. I love chocolate chip. I love chocolate. I need something chunky, crunchy in it. I can't just do like plain vanilla, plain chocolate. Well, by the way, your new sweet junk food,

which is not junk food, but it's healthy cookie dough. And it's the greatest thing you will ever eat. And yes, It's the great... No, it's insane. I've had it. Wait.

It's insane. Is it in the blue? In the little... No, it's not blue. What is it called? Doey. Doey. It's like gray, kind of.

It's like orange and blue, I think. It looks like it's an ice cream. It looks like it's a pint of ice cream, but it's cookie dough. You've never... And it's cashews and maple syrup is the base of it. No, no. You've never tried something so good in your life. Yeah.

I need that right now. No, it's... You guys, I used to take cookie dough and put it in... in a bowl in the microwave and just heat it a little bit so it was like hot and crunchy on top and then gooey and eat the whole bowl. Oh. Well, we used to do Pillsbury cookie dough. We used to cut those chunks and just cut this squiss and eat it raw with raw egg.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, for sure. I would make it and eat it. I mean, I still kind of do it. Yeah, no, you guys, I know. But she can't stop eating. She'll start a pint, like a pineapple stream. I eat ice cream a lot and it has to have.

It's a genetic thing, though. Okay. Well, what's your last? meal. Like, what's your last meal? Mine is Costa Vega. I will meet you there. Yes. Oh, you love it? I used to eat there like four times a week. That's how I feel. Love Casa Vega. I used to grease them, like 20 bucks to get a table because I could never get a table. Yeah. I would grease. And then they got to a point where that 20 wasn't working anymore. So I had to just like, they wanted like 100. I was like, I can't come back here. Because it takes forever to get a fucking table. Forever. It's so crowded.

I know. But you just have to go at the right time. I'm Benny, Hana. Whoa. Yeah, I know. I know. What about you, Erin? Yeah. What about you guys? I was just trying to think about it. I don't know. I mean, I guess maybe like I'd keep it simple and go like pizza, pasta. Yeah. I'm also Mexican carbs. Cheese enchilada, ground beef, taco, rice beans, guacamole. That's my last meal. Yep, Mexican all day. All day. Some salsa, I could take is my last meal. All day. But they have to, the Casavega chips and salsa, I'm sorry, nobody rivals. Oh, I think it's the best.

Erin, you're crazy. It's heaven. And the salad. I dip it in the salt. Oh, no. Think about Javier's because Javier's has released. No, Javier's, too spicy. No, no.

Casa is incredible. Perfect. Yeah, maybe I do like Casa Vegas then. That toastata salad that comes with the to stodata chicita. No, no, no. That's the best. I need to go there right now. The pickled beets on top.

I know, I'm hungry. Yes, with the beats. Guys. I think it's dinner time. Oh, my God. Yeah. All right. Oh, this was so.

You guys were absolutely amazing. Making it happen and everything else. It was really awesome. So awesome. For having us. Olivia. Yes, Rachel. This week, or last week, when this people are listening, we went on Tyler Henry.

We did. Live from the other side. Yeah. Can we talk about it a little? Yeah, we can talk about it. So explain who Tyler Henry is for those who are not aware. Oh, my God. For those is,

Anyone not aware of who Tyler Henry is? He's a world-renowned medium. Yeah. And I will say this. This is a truth. And you know this, that I do feel responsible for manifesting us on that show. I would agree with that. From day one, the first time I watched him, I was like, I will get a reading by him.

Somehow, some way I have to have a reading by him. because I would watch these people go through these experiences and... You felt it. I just felt it. And then throughout the years, I've said it to you. I know. That's the only reason I actually know of him is because of you. Yeah.

And I'd be like, Rachel, you need to get us on Tyler Henry. Yeah. And you'd be like, oh, okay. And I'm like, over the years, it's been like a running theme. So to be sitting there on that couch with him, I was like... And I feel like you got the hardest hit. Like, that's not the best way to put it. But we also brought Emily and Merritt with us, our friends Emily and Merritt.

And it was the four of us there. But I feel like. I feel like they got hit right out the gate. 100%. We won't give too much away because you can watch it on Netflix. But what was that like for you? First of all, what are your thoughts? What are your thoughts on mediums in general?

Oh, I'm a big believer in all that stuff. I'm not a skeptic in that it exists, but I am a skeptic depending on the person. Because I think we've had experiences where we're like, me, I don't know. And then one that we're like, oh, shit. Like, that was right on. I mean, Tyler, for me, and you should watch the episode, but, you know, my grandparents, they're the closest people to me that have passed away. Mm-hmm.

And what he knew, there's no way he could have known unless he was, a legit medium, you know, and like, sees these things. And it was just really interesting. And my grandmother, it's so key, she was a real gambler. Loved the casino. You didn't even get to that on the show. I didn't get to that on the show. So I'm saying it here because he brought up Atlantic City. And I was like, yeah, of course. Because my mom's family's from Philly and Atlantic City is a big part of like they would always go growing up, whatever. Right. I left out the part that my grandma, like, always went to Atlantic City. Because she. Love the slot machines in the casino.

I love that. I know it's so cute. I love a slot machine too. Slot machines are so much fun. So much fun. I know. Here's a question. Yeah.

Did you talk to your mom about whether her or Aunt Carol at any point have had any experiences where they feel like they may have saw a ghost? Yeah. So I asked my mom that day because Tyler said, right? He said any paranormal or anything. Yeah. And my mom said right when her aunt Mary died, she had to. Two different crazy visions come to her. Like she remembers vividly in her room.

A German Shepherd came and sat at the end of her bed. What? Yeah, no, it didn't exist. There was no German Shepherd in her house. They never had a dog. Yeah, which was interesting. And as she's telling me this, the car next to me, a German Shepherd was sitting in the passenger seat. Stop it.

Yeah. That is creepy. I know. That's really creepy. Yeah, there was another thing, too, but I can't remember it. Okay, so she wasn't like, no. No, she was like, oh, yeah, you know. Yeah.

Interesting. I know. Because I've never had that of you. I've never had an experience where I was like, that was a ghost or that came to me. No. Not that I can. I know we get a little like intuitive hits. Intuitive hits all the time.

But I've never like seen something. So that is specific to her experience. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So he was right with that. And then I can't remember because he did whisper things to us to keep it private on the show.

And I feel like he was saying something along the lines of my grandparents kind of disapproving of my mom's husbands. Now, I see, this is, you know, hi. My eyes watering. I'm not crying. Me too. It's allergies or whatever they do. I have a trick for that if your eyes watering. Take anything kind of like aquafore, whatever you may have, and you put it in the corner of your eyes.

on the outside corner, and it stops it from watering. You're welcome. Who knew? So, what was I to say? You were saying that she didn't approve. I don't know if I'm remembering it correctly what he said to me because you know my memory. That's what he said. It is?

Yeah. And I asked my mom and she goes, they disapproved of all of them, except Tom, her first husband. So they did disapproval. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Even though I think they, like, loved my dad eventually. but they were disapproved.

They just, my mom has had three husbands. She's still with the third. But they, yeah, he was right. So anything you delivered back to your mom, she wasn't like, no. Everything was right on. Interesting. What about you? I watched it with my mom.

Yeah. I didn't realize you watched it with your mom. I watched it with her. And it was emotional. Mm-hmm. And I could see, like I was like looking at her. watching her take it in. And then afterwards, I was like, what did that, how did that make you feel?

And she was like, I don't think he was off a single beat. Yeah. You know? It was all right on. Yeah. Because I was like, there was so many, like, you could read on Google, right? I've talked about it on the podcast that my dad has died and that it was, you know, whatever.

You could read that on Google. Mm-hmm. But you don't know the intricate. of family dynamics. Right. Right. So there were certain nuances that he picked up on that were so specific. And the only way I can describe it is it felt real.

Right. Whereas I've seen a lot of mediums. We both cried. Yeah. Spoiler alert. To like cry. You keep saying that. I didn't feel awkward.

Because you cried. I cry all the time. No, I think you were crying more on my side of things. Yes, I was. So that... I only cried with your stuff. That isn't as vulnerable. Right.

Because it was... That is just like empathy coming out. Yeah. So it's different when it's like you're exposing your own pain. Yeah. As opposed to holding space and being moved. Right. Two different things.

Correct. Afterwards, my mom was like, oh, I love Rachel so much. The way she's there for you and her. how she is with you and she's so precious and yeah she's like my takeaway is Rachel Rachel's a fucking star yeah it was sweet oh that's really sweet and and then what he did whisper to me I shared with her and she shared the accuracy of it yeah so please watch yeah it's a lot It's a lot. You've never had a vulnerability hangover?

Sure. I can't give you an example. You can't? Sure. Have you? Yeah. Haven't I? I don't know.

I'm sure. Do you know that feeling? Yes. I know. Yes. I've done it. You know, you share things when you're dating someone or whatever. There's a lot of that.

There's a lot of sharing. There's a lot of sharing fluids. Of things. You share things. Yes. Rob isn't here again. We should acknowledge that. I mean, what the fuck?

He just doesn't live here anymore. Did I share you the whole... I didn't share this with you. This was at lunch. The fascination I had from watching a show, I should get the doctor woman's name. Okay. On Diary of a CEO of like what attracts us to people. I thought that was interesting.

What attracts us to people? So men and women are attracted to people for different reason. So you take a woman and you put her in a Burger King outfit or you put her in like head of a CEO vibe and you give it to men. They don't see any difference. They just go on whoever's more attractive to them. Then you take equally as attractive men and put them in something a little bit more low-key versus what she referred to as. resource signaling and that it's a DNA thing where if they resource signal women are going to be more drawn to them so whether it's a watch or nicer shoes or whatever it is that we as women

are more drawn to the resource signaling isn't that crazy yeah because i think i've had that wrong my whole life how so i don't think i ever really particularly liked guys that dressed really nice and had like a really nice watch. Like I don't really like the thermal under the fucking. Yeah. So it doesn't really fit for me. What about you? Like what do you think when you hear that?

Yeah, no. I think no. Right? I think let's look at my track record. I think no. No, I'm just kidding. That actually doesn't line up. But I never, I would never look at someone dressed.

like sharply. No. Versus like casually and be more attracted to the sharp dresser. I'm like not attracted to the sharp dresser. Yeah, I think I'm the opposite too. I don't mind like, I like style, but I don't like fancy. Like if they're dressed up for an occasion. Different.

Different. But I'm not like, oh, love a sharp dress man. I love a dapper gentleman. Yeah, for sure. I'm the same as you. So that doesn't fit that theory. However, then it was funny because right after we had this conversation at a family function, and my cousin's husband was talking about all his emergency gear, like he was like, you have to have a medical kit, you have to have, I mean, he broke it down. Like his Armageddon supplies.

And I was like, whoa, yo, resource signaling. Right there. That is amazing. I was like, that's, that I get. You're like, oh, we'll live. Right. You know what I mean? Yes.

So I think there's some sort of deeper resource signaling in the sense of like, can this man, is he going to throw me in front of him if someone comes to break in? Or is he going to protect me? It's about taking care of. Yeah. Well, yeah, so it's not the outer. It's not the outer. No.

And I agree with that. Are you going to clean up after I make dinner? I'm yours forever. That's never once happened to me in my life. I know, but that's one thing I'm just putting out there that I'm manifesting. Okay. Let's put more things out there. I'm like, just clean the dishes.

Yeah. Yeah. Not my experience. Yeah. Did I tell you that I tried the onion theory when Breyer was sick? You did. Okay. So I put sliced onions in her socks while she slept.

I'm not kidding. Do we already talk about this? Say the theory first. Did we already talk about this? I don't remember. What if we've already talked about this? Well, I'm going to say it again. It's kind of scary if we did.

I know. Can we be honest about the hard part of having a podcast is that we talk about every single thing? Every day. So we can't remember, did we just talk about that? or did we talk about it on the podcast? So if we repeat ourselves, it's because we're in pari menopause. Yeah. Should we talk about that? Hot topic. It is a hot. That word never heard it in my life before. I feel like it's a new thing. Is it a new thing? Yes. The word. The word is in, I mean, it's probably existed, but nobody talked about it.

But now everybody, you can't get a day out. You can't. can't get through a day without someone saying paramedipause. No, because I mean, we both grew up with moms. We would have heard they weren't like sitting around being like, oh, the perimenopause. Because they didn't have TikTok and Instagram. And so it's like they'd go through their symptoms and probably just be like, I feel weird. And they'd be like, yeah, me too. And then was it.

And now we're so keyed in to collective narratives. Right. That it then beats us the algorithm of it. So now it's all perimenopause. Got it. Girls in their 20s algorithm is not feeding them parian menopause. You know what I saw? Sorry, just speak.

This is like a little related. Go near your husband, partner, whomever's phone around the holidays. I just say really loudly everything you want for Christmas. And the phone will pick it up and start feeding them, him, they, whomever, the ads, whatever, for the things that you want. I love it. Oh, isn't that kind of genius? It's genius and it's so true because now I'm getting all of these like...

It's hilarious. I'm like, oh, that's a brand. So it's perimenopause and only fans. Because we talked about people making so much money on their feed on only fans. So now my feed is only fans and pari menopause. It's like, what's your skincare routine and how much can you get for them toes? You know? So we're on to something.

So that's your tip for the holidays. Yeah. Speak very loudly about all the things you want. I love that. Right? Yeah. It's really good. Yeah, it's really good.

There was something else you just said that reminded me of something. Sorry, I interrupted. You didn't. Perry menopause. Perry menopause. I call our friend Jennifer Perry genopause. I can't take credit because she came up with it. She was like hot flashing.

She's like, Perry Menopause. genopause. Oh, that's so good. I wish you would come up with something like that. I felt responsible for it even though I didn't do it. It was like in Pilates on, oh, you weren't there on Wednesday. Yeah. She was talking about like, Julie's like, can I use my glutes or whatever? And I'm like, absolutely. There you go. You're good at that. And they're like, I am king of the dad jokes. That sounds really weird. You're king of the dads. Wink, wink. Thanks everybody for listening and joining us. See ya. Bye. That was a HitGum podcast.