Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Everybody Wants This with Jackie Tohn

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

Rachel and Olivia chat with actress Jackie Tohn (Nobody Wants This, GLOW) about their friendship with Kristen Bell, getting a new pair of cool shoes and having a sweet tooth. Picture of the outfit with Rachel, Kristen and Olivia Wilde HERE!Like the show? Rate Broad Ideas 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyAdvertise on Broad Ideas via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi, gang. Today we have one of our favorite people. Jackie Tone, who I have known for a very long time, who is just, I mean, I don't even want to say. She is just doing so many things now.

and is so awesome. There's nothing to say. She does it. She does it. Yeah. She does the talking and we're grateful for it. Truly. Let's just get into it.

You know, the other day I went to a restaurant and this was so, you order at the bar. Have you ever been to Laurel Tavern? Of course. So I'm ordering at the bar. My kids are outside on the patio with other people. And this woman with her dog walks into the restaurant to the bar and she's like, can I get my check? She's like, there's a lot of kids out there. And the waitress was like, yeah, it's like a 1 p.m. Sunday afternoon, you know, she's like, oh, yeah.

And she's like, I'm saying a lot of kids. Cool. And so I'm next to order. I'm in. And I look and I go, do you guys have a kid? I had a kid's burger and just look at the lady. Good. And I had never been so happy to order a kid's birth

birthday. Oh, my God, it's my favorite. Birthday in my fucking life. Oh, do you guys allow dogs inside the bar? Do you guys allow dogs inside the bar? Right. There's a dog inside of this establishment. That's what I'm saying.

You have a baby in a bar. But I'm like, you have your dog. Why are you mad if people have their kids? Well, because she's her. People are so fucking weird and so angry. I know. For no reason. Oh, I mean, it's really spectacular.

What are you angry about? Everything. But I love in situations like that when people behave that way, it's an open door for me to be like, oh, goody. Are we going to publicly spar? Like, I'm not going to raise my voice or anything, but I'll be like, I would maybe say something like, oh, my God, wild to have a dog inside

and then have a feeling about people's children outside. And I would do it in this like disarm, like, oh, that's actually wild. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Oh, I wish you would have been there. Guys, welcome to Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilsen and Olivia Allen. I am your guest today, Jackie Tone. I have brought my dog named Glenn and my Ultima electrolyte water and a David Protein bar.

You know what I was thinking? What queen? Maybe we interview her. That's cute. What? That is cute. But I don't know. What kind of questions?

I just feel like we don't even know. about Rachel Bilsen? Yeah. Nobody knows anything. I mean, just like talented, gorgeous, family. I mean, it is a little boring if you think about it. It is. It's like, okay.

But Jackie, you and I have known each other a very long time. Very long time through Nicole and Marie Chavez. Yeah. It's not her own name. It's not her own. I was just like, wait, she's been a friend of mine for so fucking long and I never knew that Anne Murray. A fake middle name gives such, oh, just give such joy to the day. Oh, what's yours?

Oh my God, I have such a good fake one for you. It's so annoying. Okay. Wait, what if it's real? And I just said it's annoying. It's Olivia Felicia. Olivia Felicia Allen. We'll have like another long middle name.

It's like, it's already Olivia. Do you need to like Felicia? That's amazing. That's good. What is it actually? Christina. It is a long, but not far off. But not as chewy as Felicia.

But it's also after my aunt that went missing. so that's like a good you know. Kevin's fully laughing by the way. Which opens it up for me to be like, okay Rachel, I guess we're interviewing Olivia. I was going to guess your fake middle name but missing aunt

is now on the table. Olivia, why don't you tell us a little bit about that? I'm sweating. No, I can't. It stops. Do you ever find her? No. No, she's like a missing person. Yeah. That's horrible. What do they call that unsolved?

Crimes. She's an unsolved mystery. Unsolved mystery. Is it a cold case? There's no body. I know. Is it only a cold case if there's a body? I think a cold case is... Oh no, no. Cold is just cold case. It's just cold. Like, we've got no more leads. This happened in 1984. We just have no idea what's going on. Got it. Yeah. Listen, I don't know 100% know. I could have just really conclusively delivered you the definition of a cold case, but don't really know. I bet Kevin could clear it up. We saw that there's a camp for people who like to solve mystery. it's like a camp A summer camp Do you like the murder? I don't love to solve them Like I'm not an escape room solvey person But exclusively all I listen to Are not even murder pods

But like true crime True crime Or like this one I'm listening to right now It's on a thing On a British podcast company called Tortoise With no E And it's called Lucky Boy And it's just really

Not us in the same costume And it's Who makes your t-shirt? Redone? No. Redone's my favorite. Redone's your favorite, tish? Yeah, that's the best.

Mine is, I can't reach and there's 11 mics in between us. Oh, I see how it says it. Keep turning. Oh, All Saints. Yeah. Okay, it's a good one. I'm always looking for the perfect white tea. It's a good white tea.

Osma, hold on. The best t-shirt. What is it? How do you spell? O-Z-M-A. Okay, because right now I'm in my favorite white tea, which is like a good stretch, a good drape. It's Ripley Raider.

Okay. But it's like the best t-shirt. She's also got on really good jeans. God, I am so chic. It must be so hard. Just kidding. I was thinking you know what, Jackie. You had to pick.

Go ahead, Lou. No, please. No, no. I was just going to say the first time I met Jackie, we were in an event and someone was talking about you and they're like, oh, just wait until you meet Jackie. And I was like, sure, cool, whatever. For sure. You know, why would you have a different reaction to that?

Like, great, I'll meet Jackie. And you walked in and I felt like I took medicine. Oh! I felt better about life. I felt more comfortable in my own skin. I was like, this bitch is the medicine. Foot kiss. Yeah.

That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me, you fuck? She did. She did. She did. That's the nicest thing. I did. I told Rachel. I know.

She told me. I know. I think I was like, just wait until you meet Jackie. Rachel's like, it makes me want to cough. It makes me want to death. Yeah, it makes me want to take more antibiotics. Oh, that's really nice. Thank you. That means a lot. I know. Here we are at headgum. I often feel like I had case. So it's nice when the takeaway is like enjoyable instead of like, oh, but I just have a stand-up joke about how I suck all the air.

out of the room. Because I once heard that when I was on a commercial audition, my agent got the feedback. And they were like, she's very funny, but she sucks all the air out of the room. And then, I know, isn't that crazy? And my agent told me that feedback. Like, what the fuck am I supposed to do with that? I have ADHD and I take up a lot of emotional space. I don't know really what to tell you. And then, yeah, and I was like, at least when I started dating guys, it changed to like, oh, she sucks all the air out of the room. And got sexy. And you know what I mean, wink, wink. Yeah.

Wait a minute. Tell us. Why do people think they need to tell you everything? Also, that was when I was much younger and I hadn't harnessed the ADHD and it was, I'm so cool. I talk to everyone the same. And that's cool. But I think when you become a grown-up, you're like, oh, wait, there's absolutely 100% reason to talk to different people in different ways

and using different words and using different energies and reading the room and I think that's definitely something that I learned a lot more as a grown-up, but to answer your question, I do not know why people think they need to say everything.

Right. It's really not helpful. Yeah, like, it's not constructive criticism. No, you do. It's just suck lesser. But it's also this weird thing when you're a, or I was anyway, like if you're a big personality

and that's polarizing to some people, Like the other side of the coin was that people were like into it and it was and it's fun and it's you are who you are. Yeah. But then other people are like. Yeah. I remember. She's like I'm on the other side. What?

Yeah. Yeah. She's like I don't like it. Yeah. I don't like it. It's not for me. Yeah. I don't want it.

It's not for me. No, I remember Kristen's 30th, the hunger games? Oh my God. Of course. You're like the only one besides Kristen and Dax that like stick out in my mind at that party because you leave such an impact and it's not that you take up space you are just so memorable and your energy is infectious and you're so much fun to be around that's so everyone else can just suck our d's you guys are so nice thank you that makes me feel like a freaking million golden beans it's true it's true we're not

just saying that and another thing i heard recently is for everyone that loves you it's like no matter what you are it's either for someone or it's not a hundred Which is hard to deal with. Of course. But that goes for every single human. Like I'll meet a random person that like, I don't know. Even for example, like, there are people that my boyfriend thinks are like such a good time. Yeah. And they sort of like, I'm just like, oh, it's not for me. And they're like a perfectly regular normal. It's like, right. There's nothing about them. But I'm just like, oh, that energy doesn't, doesn't vend diagram with mine. Right. Right. Rachel and I discussed this often. Often. We're like, that person is great. They're all the things. They're just not my things. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's cute. Yeah, they're just not my things. It's true. And I feel like you can just list them who you guys don't like. Okay. Let's do it. Let's do it. You said you don't like solving mysteries. Well, I only listen to Drew Crime, but no, I'm not going to that camp to circle back. No, ma'am. I mean, I don't know that I would go to the camp. You want to go to the camp?

She wants to go. Oh, guys, if you guys were going to the camp, I'm at the camp with a speed unlike anything you've ever seen. I'm at the camp. Like, if I find out you're going, you get there. I'm already there. That's how fast. But, like, would I personally be like, let me plan a trip to the camp?

No. If you guys were like, we're going, we got you a ticket. You're in. You're in. My weekend. Okay, good. Kristen recommended these bars to me. Most of the stuff she eats.

It looks like a Pop-Tart, but tastes like. like asshole. It's like, it has a lot of protein and no. I'm like, yeah, of course. Of course this is the worst taste anything on earth. Which ones are they? This is, well, I'm not talking about that, but she told me about this David Barr. And it's like made by some doctor. It has 28 grams of protein and only 150 cows and no sugar.

I got it because Nicole told me she recommended it to her. Oh, of course. The three of us are so incestuous. We probably have all the same recommendations. I'm currently hitting up Nicole. about those of the great Red Wing Co-Lab boots. Oh, yeah. You probably all have.

We do. Well, I slept on that. I was not invited to that party. And now I'm like, well, I need to get those boots. Are there any left? I'm obsessed with them. What's how sure are you? Seven.

Okay. What are you saying? You have an extra pair? Mine are a little small. What size are they? I'm a seven and a half. So I don't know. They might fit you.

What do you mean? Why am I doing this? That's loud. Baby, I just chew a whole protein bar on the show. You can tap your leg twice. See, I'm saying. You make me feel safe.

I love me. Let me ask you this. What color are yours? Brown. Let me ask you this. Can I pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty please with sugar off top, have them? Yes. You can.

Let me ask you this. Yes. Can I have them today? Why do I drive to pick them up? You can come try them on. That sounds great. So yours are a seven and a half, but they're small on you? Yes.

Yeah. But you are a seven and a half? I know. I do, too. half. I'm bummed that you don't then have the pair. I know. But if you can't wear them anyway, but if you can't wear them anyway, I'm doing you. That's Rachel, Rachel, just sitting there. Excuse us one second. I'll let me at Rachel. I'm doing her a huge favor. It's like this is what it is. I come in, I show up, I help, right? I do the heavy lifting. I take the very expensive,

gorgeous boots off your hands for free. Off my feet. Off your feet. What's I sure are you, Rach? I'm a five, five and a half, so I'm worthless. Are you, and you were born four weeks ago? four to six weeks ago just a baby freaking shoe yeah yeah how do you even freaking find shoes for grownups it's really hard i think i said this before that like there was a time where they stores would only order like one size five and christina aguilera has a size five shoe and she would take every single pair of shoes christina agglara is a size five shoe i believe so how tall are you five two five two and a half five two and a half five two and a half size five shoe.

I know. I mean, it can't be that hard because I've seen you in although you've a stylist in a whole life. Yeah, because I've seen you and everything you're wearing is dope so like someone's making the fucking shoes.

You have the shoes. Are they like custom? No. I do have a lot of shoes. You should DM Christina Aguilera and just be like, hey, we should swap. Get them Aguilera me downs.

Speaking of Aguilera. That's what we've always called. Kristen's hand-me-downs, bell me-downs. Oh, regular me-downs. Those are good. I can't believe I am head-to-dow. It's very rare I'm head-to-dow. Not there isn't one piece from her.

But no. No, these are all my own clothes. That's crazy. How long have you guys been friends? Zvon took years. That was Yiddish-German. Since 2003. Okay. Yep.

That's a long-ass time. How'd you mean? A long time. We met. So Andy Fickman, who is a fabulous this wackadoo director. He directed her in a play called Snow and me in a play called Utopia in like 2003.

And we came to each other's shows. And then we were like, oh, that person's cool. She was just here from New York, didn't know too many people. And I think we went to like the Fairfax flea market. On a date.

On a date. Actually, yes. I think we went either went there or I was there with someone and she was there with her ex, her boyfriend at the time. And I think we just ended up like walking around all day together.

But then it really got solidified, like a few years after that. I was driving with my boyfriend at the time on Los Filles Boulevard. And some like crazy people on like an ATV or some four-wheel or I don't even know, drive like over the grass on Griffith Park across four lanes of into a driveway on Los Feil's Boulevard. And it was Dax and Kristen. What? Oh my God. What?

Dax was driving. I mean, listen. Is this surprising anyone? he was just driving his crazy machine across all the lanes and I was in the car with my boyfriend Kyle at the time and I know but they were like zoom

and I was like was that Kristen Bell and the guy from punked Oh stop because I didn't know they were dating at this I was like 2008 I think and she and I had met in 2003 Got it right we were like friends and hung out here and there but we weren't like mega close I think we were back in 2003 but then you know I went to New York I did theater for a couple years

came back. And then that's when they drove. And I called her and I was like, am I hallucinating? And she was like, no, we were just driving from the park over back to Dax's house. Come over. So Kyle and I like pulled over the car

and went to Daxas and hung out with her and him and then the rest was history. And then we fell back in deep deep deep. Deep, deep love. The end. The, I mean, hardly the end. The beginning. Yes, the beginning.

I mean, look at where are you. guys like now let's talk about it let's get into it let's do it great you know that little show you're on oh my god can you believe it that's nuts can you believe it it's not even normal don't i i have never been more aware of how not normal something is in my whole life like the whole every single piece of it right the fact that there was like genuinely a role on this show that is so me and all my specificity and barkiness and Jewishness and strongness. Like it's really, it's really crazy and wonderful and it's the greatest. And that that mouse with the blonde hair is there is so nice.

It was just so cool because I think the show had just aired when we were with you and Kristen and just the reaction to the show. And like everyone coming up to you guys And just the wild success it's had Nobody wants this for reference Yes, for reference, my friends It was really, really cool to see And the fact that you're doing it with your best friend

It really is like a dream come true And a dream come true. I mean, I've said this before But definitely the craziest thing is like Getting an acting job is like being Like you've more likelihood of being struck by lightning than getting on a hit show And so it's like

getting any acting job. I remember after Glow, I didn't work for like years, and I got this series of commercials for California Energy. They were like literally, I went from being on this hit show for four years, and then I was like doing regional, like, not even regional, California only commercials. And I was like, you can't in this bit, by the way, I'm not saying that as like, oh, I was too good for it.

Not at all. I was pumped to get that job. I showed up at that audition. I was like ready to go. I wasn't, this was not beneath. I was like, let's go. And to be honest with you, those commercials saved me, got me my health insurance, and it was the gift that kept on giving.

And if I, I don't know how I just got on this tangent, but like, oh, because talking about nobody wants this, how insanely lucky I feel having that show. because for in between glow and nobody wants this, I was just like doing table reads for like my friend casts the 90s show and I was like popping in to help them out with table reads. Like this is such a business where you just can't, you can never feel like, yo, I got it. Maybe not never.

Like Kristen probably can at this point. She has. And of course. And I love that for, but like I think until you are sort of that level, Yeah. There's still this feeling of like, what's the next thing going to be? Does anybody care that, I mean, there's so many actors and so many. So, yeah, my tangential, whatever, brain slide onto these California energy commercials, but they saved me. And at no point was I ever like, nah, I'm not going to do regional commercial auditions. I'm like, let's see what happens. And then it's supposed to be this tiny thing. It turned into like a print campaign and six commercials and five internet. commercials and all this and it wasn't a crazy amount of money but it literally kept me afloat and they kept reupping it 2021 to maybe even 23 so like I'm waiting to see if they do oh no 22 3 4 I'm waiting to see if they do it again this year maybe they will maybe they won't but like then nobody wants

this comes along and you're like praise me praise me like it's really hard to get even a guest star let alone I think people don't understand like a lot of people ask me they're like So, you know, when this came across your desk, were you like, oh, my God, I have to do this? And I was like, oh, that is so cute that you think. I have a desk. Then I have a desk. A, no.

But like that you think I, and so many actors feel this way that, like, you think I'm being given the options? You think all the scripts are coming to me and I'm looking through them and being like, yes, no, no, no, cheesy, maybe. Right. It's like I'm going on auditions for, I don't want to name any show and like disparage anybody, but like I'm going on auditions for a single episode of a procedural. Right. Like I'm out here being like 911, sure. I'll go. Right. Yeah. Top of show, guest star, health insurance. Like this is what we have to do. Yeah. At any point before this happened, did you want to quit? Nope. Awesome. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. And I, before Glow, I mean, you want to talk about my not wildly lucrative four years. I mean, first of all, it was COVID in the strike.

So it was a miserable three, four years for everyone. But that said, before I got Glow in 2016, that was really like, I look back on that and the fact that I didn't want to. quit then is I don't even know what I was I mean I was like organizing people's closets I was going on commercial auditions I was like a touring musical comedian I was making like 800 bucks here and this here and just sort of like patching it together I was definitely doing that like year end oh shit does anyone I know need anything sag wise that I could do to make my insurance I lost my insurance a bunch I mean one bedroom apartment life like just doing it driving the same car for 15 years.

Like it was all the... Yeah. But no. But no, never. Never, ever once. Also, I started acting when I was nine. Right. So, I mean, you want to talk about no other marketable skills.

Sarah? Baby. Baby, angels, all three. Baby, everyone in this room. I mean, I can't cook. I can't... You know what I could do? What?

You know what I could do like a motherfucker? Clean. What? Ooh, can I? clean. Oh, can I clean. I will vacuum. Oh, I will vacuum. I don't love a dish. I don't love doing a dish. Hate doing a dish. But I love to clean. I love to clean. So that would be, I don't know how I would make a job because I don't want to clean your house. No. No. But like I'm saying it is like the one domestic thing I can handle. I do want you to come and clean my house. Well, I could do organizing. I need that so bad.

I mean, she's got a job. You know, I'm helping my writing partner on Sunday, like, clean out her garage and, like, price stuff for a garage sale. And when I tell you, it's, like, my love language. That, no, it's fun. And honestly, like, I could sit there for 20 minutes, 20 minutes. I could sit there for an hour with a safety pin and my glasses on and untangled jewelry. That's my favorite.

Wait, I need you. I live for that. That's my joy. I have a cluster for you. I love a cluster. Well, wait. Oh, who's going to get it? Have you heard you put baby powder on it and that, like, loosens it?

I like the hard. You know that trick? I never heard of that fucking baby powder trick. And I cannot wait to try her. Yeah. Oh, Rachel, you've got a little tissue. You have a little tissue, guys. Is that a blanket or a pant where your knee is?

If that was a pant, that would be. I can only see a piece of it. It could be like a very wild pan. It's my blanket. And I am just going to give a shout out because Bearfoot Dreams blankets make me so happy. Yeah, I want to shout out. I also, not only that, I want a Bear for Dreams blanket. You can you connect?

Great. Feels like you might know. Norseum rack has them on sale. Oh, great. That's where I get them. These are my tricks. I'm just telling everybody my tricks. What pants are you wearing, though?

She's not. I have sweatpants. She's not wearing pants. I am known to be pantless, but I do have sweatshown. You have a purple sock, a white, like an ivory pant and a brown sweatshirt. I'm obsessed. I am really bringing it today. Wait, where did you guys first meet?

Through Nicole, but through Kristen. I thought it was through Kristen. I think it was, but isn't it through Kristen because of Nicole? Well, I introduced Nicole and Kristen. Oh, and how do you know Kristen? Okay. Well, Kristen and I, you know, were on two shows at the same time and like just in the same circuits and same agency, whatever. And I don't know if it was the first time we were at like an in style party.

Sure. Oh, my God. I should find this picture, you guys. It's like me, her. Olivia Wilde, maybe Misha as well, I forget. But the looks on all of us, real special. Anyways, I remember. I remember. I already know there's an asymmetrical kerchief skirt that I, that I already know.

Yeah, no, it was, her hair was like in ringlets. Wait, I was going to tell you about the ringlets. And I didn't even see this picture, but she used to do that. The ringlets. She used to do the ringlets. We're sitting at the party. Yeah. And she, and I was like, my friend, Nicole, because Nicole was costumes on the O.C.

And then she was like, I want a style. Can you be my first client? And I was like, yeah, let's do it. Dead. Yes. And I was sitting with Kristen and I was like, oh my God, you need to meet Nicole. She's just starting. She's great. Whatever. I am dead. And now Nicole is like, and I'll be all. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, was like a ringlets that made you say that? Were you like, hey. It was. You were like. I've got someone. You were like. You were like. You were like. You were. like I need, I have someone to help you with personal styling, but also hair. Oh my God. Okay. I'm going to screenshot this. Okay. And I'm going to, I'm going to send it.

Kevin, I'm going to send it on the chain. Great. You could show there. I posted with us with Jackie and Kristen, and I swear to God, the next day, walking my kids into school, all the moms were treating me different. I was like, oh. They said, we don't recognize that small blonde one, but we love that. They're like, oh. We are big fans.

Hands of Jewish. Everyone's all of a sudden nice to me. That's really, my mother, that you remind me of my mom was saying, like, after nobody wants this came out, they were waiting in line to talk to me at Flakewicks. I was a star. At the deli, they were waiting in line to talk to me. I live for her. She is on another planet. I sent her, she had a purse that she wanted.

M. Z. Wallace, you know that brand? It's very like my mom. very cute very quilty puffy adorable and she wanted a silver one so I got her a silver one I sent it in the mail and she was like I'm debating if the straps are too short I'm like but if you don't like it you better send it back she's like no no I'm like but if you're not going to carry it you gotta

so she figured out that like the sides could clip together and now she's sending me pictures my dad's the photographer you could see him in the back in the mirror stop he's like it's cute pink you should keep it were they physical education That's correct. Jim teachers both. That's so cool. Gym teachers both.

Both. I can't, Rachel, when I tell you, I can't kick, catch, throw, be a bowl, golf, tennis. Stop. Nothing. Even on non-athletics sport, I can't. It's not for me. When I tell you, when I say things like no other, like marketable skill, like, that's it. We're happy this worked out.

I can chat. Can tell a joke. You're a musician. Yeah, what's up with your singing? What's up with your singing, bro? What's up with your singing? All right, fine. I'm sorry I just got so upset just then.

It's okay. Okay. But what is the fuck up with your singing, Olivia? All right. No, but like, really. Okay, so I have a fun story. I met a man. I'll have to send this to him because he's such a lovely person.

His name is Andrews. He used to be a flight attendant on an airline, and maybe cut out his last name. okay because then I'm just like wait if he still works for an airline I don't want to get him in trouble but um it was jet blue back in the day yeah and they used to have I guess I couldn't really wouldn't get him in trouble they give they gave you like friends and family passes and he like had I think it was his mom or someone else and he was like he had extras and me and my best friend Ilsey who's now a wonderfully successful incredible songwriter we were in a band together and we would travel around and he would give me some of his friends passes.

He would literally put them in the mail. This flight attendant we met, he was so wonderful. We gave him our CD. He was like loving our music, which was so cute. We had like a little four-track demo. And this guy, Andrew, would give us like his little tickets. Now, someone is going to have to remind me why I started this story. What did you ask?

Everything's fine. What's up with your singing? What's up with my singing? Well, I'm going to head out. out. There's got to be a medicine a person could take for this. It's you. Oh, I told you you're the medicine. I'm supposed to cry. So he just recently DMed me and we keep in touch a little bit on Instagram and he's always just been just never creepy, never oversteppy, just like, when are you going to make more music? I just love your music and I just, I still listen to all the

old stuff and da-da-da. And just recently I was like, my friend, I have not picked up a guitar. this man that I met as a flight attendant on JetBlue 25 years ago. I was like, when, and I was like, you know, dude, I don't know. When I haven't picked up a guitar in ages, when I sing now, I like am a little bit surprised when sound, I'm like, oh, that's right. A singing voice. It's not even good. It's just like, oh, shit, oh, yeah.

Like, it's so, I got to figure out what it is because it's like, I'm not sure that I want to, like, I don't want to be a touring musician and I'm not, but I did write, um, my writing partner and I did write like a full musical feature, romantic comedy. Speaking to my heart. Dude. I mean, trying to sell a movie is so easy, though. I don't know what everybody's talking about how it's impossible, makes you want to jump off a bridge. Yeah, it's like, so we're thinking of like turning it into a two-person show or something

and like putting it on his feet somewhere so people could get the idea and be like, oh, no, this is the person who needs to star in this. And this is a good idea. and these songs are the songs. And they're already written and the script is written and the whole thing is packaged and ready to go. But as far as like

sitting in the studio earnestly with a guitar to make tunes, I don't, that doesn't feel like my guts anymore. It's not speaking to your soul. No, but like I love singing and writing and playing.

I just like, yeah, fucked up. What if you did, what if you did like a podcast of the story with the songs? and like got it out there that way.

That's a cool idea. I was just thinking like two seconds ago, like something that does speak to me is obviously doing a podcast. Like I have one skill and it's talking, but I'm like, I just have never done it. I just never like got the fire under my ass to be like, what is the show and what am I doing?

And do I want to have guests or do I just want to talk shit or is I don't know. I don't know quite what... I really love you talking shit. Me talking shit is kind of like, yeah, I mean, do I do think that would be the crocs, but then I'm like, if you want to just tune in to hear me, bitch, maybe.

Because I can. But you could do the rom-com. See, singing. Yeah, you could sing and you could tell the story. You could do like a- Did you guys hear that fucking power on because I can? That was unbelievable. That's good.

It was, because I can. It was insane. I know. I mean, you made it to American Idol. I sure did. That's a voice. That's the whole story. I feel like the AC might be a little cold.

Sorry. I saw Kevin fucking go over there and put it in. into a number starting as six. I was sweating in my sweater. I was sweating and then I was sweating and then I sort of got I got the chill into my bones and now nobody knows. You know it is possible that when I watch this back the way that that camera is on me it is going to look like my tits are on my belt. That's what happens to me every time. And Kevin, Kevin, without this being an HR nightmare, will you look at the shot and tell me if it looks like my tits are on my belt? It does. It does. You fucking asshole. Does it?

I have been reporting this podcast for 40 minutes. You kind of recently changed. No, I did it. No, that's a new thing. No, I did it. It's a new thing. No, it's not. No, it's not.

I'm calling Leah. I've been sitting like this the whole time. Wait, I have a question about the pilot. So you know how he's like really invested in your music? Like, hey, are you up to that? Have you ever been like, hey, just so you know you should watch nobody wants us? Did you like nudge him in the right direction? I'm going to tell you this.

He follows me on Instagram. Oh, so he knows. He knows. Also, this has never happened to me before. I don't have to tell anybody to watch nobody wants them. Could you believe? Right. Do you guys know that it's like, last I heard, like, 800 million streams?

What? What are you talking about? What? I don't even know what that means how it's real. It sounds insane. It sounds insane. It sounds insane. It's just, it's insane.

Like ludicrous. It's ludicrous. It's like, it's bizarre. And somehow it's managed to like spandemort. in a way that nobody was prepared for. We're like young people love it. My parents' friends love it independently of like knowing that their friend's daughter is on it. They're like 65, 70 year old old Jews in a development in Florida.

Like they love it. My mom, 82. You stop. Swear to God. She's like, have you watched nobody wants it? Like what is, what are you talking about? Why does your 82 year old delicious mother love this show? And when people ask me in interviews all the time, they're like, what do you think it is?

I'm like, I don't know. I don't get me wrong I'm obsessed with it Yeah but if I had a gun to my head I couldn't tell you why an 82 year old woman would love it But I guess good is good And it's just a delightful watch I think that's what it is

Because it doesn't make sense You'd be like oh this is the demographic That's going to devour this Yeah it's us right right It's like women of a like not of a certain age We're not quite there but like women who aren't 22 Like living and I just think it's really It's so extra special

And Kristen and I talk about this both in press and interpersonally, like, just for all the networks and everybody to see that, like, love stories that happen outside of people who, by the way, we love a kissing booth, we love Joey King, we love a 22-year-old having their love story, Emily and Paris. But that's not where it ends.

That's not dead when you're 26. And it's like to tell a story of, like, someone being in love and older, it's like, this is 40. Are you making it warmer? Okay. Is it too warm now? No, I'm literally, my goosebumps haven't gone away. Okay.

I love you. You're also such a fun person to play with Kevin because you do like a really funny, like, even thing. That's really fun to like stab at. Yeah. Like, because you know you're just going to giggle and not give a fuck. You're not the first person to say that. Well, yeah, I know your wife. You do.

How's everything going with the embroidery business? It's thriving. I was going to say I see her Instagram like popping off to like. popping off to like, how does she have the time? We should do some broad ideas merch. Yeah. And we could do it for your musical podcast. I'll tell you also my musical podcast.

The problem I've had with wanting and we should do nobody wants this merch. Yep. But my thing with a musical podcast that I've wanted to do in the past is it has to be original music because even on podcasting, you can't play. You can't play more than 30 seconds. You can't do a karaoke, 18, I think. So you can't do like I was going to do a pod with my friend Elliot Glazer. and we had this whole musical idea. And it was like, well, you can't.

You're not going to pay for any of those songs, let alone all of those songs. Right. Do you think it's embarrassing to go to Seas Candy once a week? No, I think it's important to go to Seas Candy once a week. Embarrassing. Do you go once a week? Yeah.

What do you get? Chocolate. Shut up. Do you ever get the lollies? I used to be obsessed with the lollies. I say you're fucking kind, Olivia. What is this? I know.

I know. Well, I get the, what do I get Rachel? What is it? You like the caramel with the nuts. I like the caramel with the nuts and the peanut, the crunchy one. Yeah, the brittle. No, it's not the brittle. Oh, like a toffee.

They have the peanut crunch and they have the peanut brittle. But I'm such a dessert person, Rage, that I wouldn't, I don't lie to you when I say I don't need food. I need sweets. Yeah, I'm the same. I need food and sweets. I mean, occasionally I'll want a salt, but like. Yeah. I just want, it's fucked up.

Yep. That's a thing. I'm with you. Yeah. So mostly when I'm working, I have to, like, do very little sugar because it makes me crash. It's big, it's so bad for me. It makes my eyes puffy. I get exhausted.

It makes me clear my throat. Like, sugar is such poison. It's so insane. I like it. And it's so, me too. And it's so clear that it's poison. Yeah. Like, I'll be on set and I'm like, fuck it.

I'm just going to cave, a little mini bag of Swedish fish. It's not psychosomatic. I'm like, you're ruined. You just crash. It's like a huge sugar spike and like a baby. I'm like, oh, now I'm exhausted for 45 minutes and then have to have a match at a bing. Bring yourself back. It's like.

Yep. Yep. Yep. Well, girls. This has been great. We don't want to. Jackie. I love you.

Therapy. No. Yeah. No, but is it okay? It's like, did we do? We did it. Okay. Yeah.

We did it. Yeah. We did it. How are you with packing? Are you like a plan aheader or are you a last minuteer? I always want to be a plan aheader. The reality is it is an hour before the flight, basically. I'm a horrible flyer famously, and I think I had a fly last weekend.

What really helped me was I almost missed the flight, and so I was so distracted by that that I think it, and not that I'm going to keep doing this, but I was so distracted by how close I cut it that the whole flight I was like, I can't believe I made the flight. And then I landed and was like, oh, great, it's done. Wow. Are you a horrible, I'm only checking my phone because it's Jackie texting.

Great. So that's the only exception I'll make. Yep. She's going to come by. Wow. Amazing. She might be here for her own outro. That would be amazing. That would be amazing.

So you're a bad flyer because it makes you nervous. Yeah, I get super anxious. I'm going to start taking like medication for it. Oh, that's that bad. Yeah, and I've taken the train from L.A. to Chicago like 10 times. It's a 45-hour ride each way. I love it. It's my favorite thing in the whole world.

I get like a little private cabin. Yeah. And I like close it. I close the curtains. I take a bunch of edibles and I just mellow zen out hardcore for two straight days. It's my favorite thing. But it stops, right? The train stops.

It does like 30 stops. It basically stops every like 90 minutes. And you can get off for a bit? How long? It varies. Sometimes it's like two minutes. Sometimes it's like 30, 45 minutes. Like sometimes people like go to a shop in the area.

But they're mostly pretty short. And through the night, they don't, they only stop for like basically for people to get off. Like during the day, they'll do like a smoke break one where people will like chill for a little bit. Which is so funny to hear a conductor in 2025 say. If you have cigarettes and want to smoke, now's the time to do it. Like, very pro-smoking on Amazon. That's so weird. That is.

How's the food? They have vegan food, which is shocking to me. The first few times I did it, I was like, ugh. But it's gotten better every time. And what I do now is, like, I'll stop by, like, one of my favorite sandwich shops in Illinois. Potbelly, I'll get a couple sandwiches and, like, have one or two for my two-day trip. And then because I'm doing like the little private room thing, it comes with like three meals a day. No.

I'm scarfing those sandwiches pretty fast. But yeah, they come with like three meals a day and stuff. I love it so much. It actually kind of sounds fun. It sounds great. It's awesome. And I have like an Amtrak card now. So all of my rides have been like paid off.

So I don't have to like because it can get kind of expensive with the private room thing. Right. So I'll typically wait like a year and then by then or later. It's like, great. I have like a free ride now. Do you go to a dining car or do they bring food to your? You can do either or. And so.

I'm really into this. Me too. What's fun about the dining car is they seat you with three strangers, which seems weird than like kind of cafeteria. But I have for the most, I think always have had like very pleasant conversations with like, a farmer in Indiana who I have like absolutely nothing in common with and then we just like talk over like a 20 minutes sandwich whatever like a burger or something and it's like well it's nice to meet you and then I just like leave and never talk to him again which is crazy so yeah you do that or you can have it like just have it at your room so kind of depending on the mood I'm in we'll be like yeah let's do it let's talk to this couple from Nebraska I like it has Leah done it with you no she won't Oh, she won't do it. She's like, she just wants to fly.

She's like, I can't do a two-day train ride. Well, because then it's a four-day train ride. Yeah, two days each way. Yeah. Oh, why I just pictured you one way, but coming here? No, you have to go there. No, I have to return home. Right, right.

So it was a lot easier when I didn't have like a million shows I was working on because I'd be like, great, I'll do a two-day ride there. I'll, and then the other nice thing was I would stay at home longer because I was like, I'm taking the train for two days. Like, I'm not staying for three. So then I would, like, stay for a week and then take the train back home. So it felt very, like, old school of my trips for, like, three to four years of my life were, like, a 10-day trip. Which was nice because then I got to, like, see people, you know, like friends and stuff that I'm normally like, oh, I'm in and out.

So it was really nice. I'm a big, big fan of the train. I like a train ride. I don't know that I've ever done a train ride. We used to do it all the time from San Diego. San Diego to Santa Barbara when I was a kid. That's where I first ate a hot turkey sandwich. Wow.

On the train at the restaurant. You mean like a Thanksgiving sandwich? Yes, like an open-faced hot turkey sandwich. I want that right now. That's what I fell in love with it on an Amtrak. Yeah. Mashed potatoes? Yes, gravy, stuffing, the whole thing.

Cranberry? I don't remember if there was cranberry I need cranberry I definitely had the mashed potatoes gravy over the white bread yeah yum

that's wow wow yeah that's a memory and we'd get those big thick pretzels like soft pretzels no hard pretzels and dip them in mustard

yum everything I care about is related to food it's true yeah it's food related huh I want to take a train ride

I know there's like that Canada one that's supposed to be super beautiful across Canada. I think it's fun. It sounds great. Like having my own little room. It's great.

One of my favorite I'll lose the episodes is when they're on the train and she keeps pulling the emergency break. We watched it up the other night. Nice. So good. I feel like you would have had a train rides. You're a train ride kind of girl.

I am a train. I have built for a train ride. If anyone was built for it, it's you. It's me. Oh, yeah. Give me my little room. Uh-huh. My little thing.

And your reason to like organize for your train ride. Yeah. You know? Yeah, get all the things. Yeah. You should see me organizing for this Japan trip. I'm so jealous. I mean, talk about trains.

That's a huge reason why I want to, one of the many reasons why I want to go to Japan. You want to take the train? Yeah, the speed rails there. We're taking it from Tokyo to Kyoto. That's going to be amazing. How long does that take? Two hours? But they go like 170 miles an hour.

Yeah. It's like a bullet train. Like so fast. Yeah, it's awesome. Because normally I think it would take Well, it would Way longer, yeah But yeah, it's like some crazy fast train

And it's a two hour train ride That's fun Yeah, I'm looking forward to like all the things Yeah And having Briar see all the things Will be super cool I want to do it They have like animal cafes

What's that? Oh, just cafes were There's a lot of animals I think we're gonna do the Capi Barra one There is a cat cafe And I was like absolutely not I don't know if you know this about me Kevin I'm not a cat person

Really? Yes Interesting I know but neither is Olivia There you go We are not cat people We aren't cat people

I don't have strong feelings about Either way My dad always says he was allergic But then as I got older I was like was he Or did he just not want to be around cats I don't like them I don't like them

I don't trust them I do not And I've been This is the funny thing At three years old I was viciously attacked by a beagle Hate beagles But I love dogs

Sure Cats scare me way more Did I ever tell you Because they're creepy They're very unpredictable. They're unpredictable. Yeah. I did, however, have a cat growing up, my dad's girlfriend,

that would like hide under the bed. Your dad's girlfriend. Would hide under the bed and attack every time I walked on. Yeah, that will do it. They're like so unpredictable. Yeah. Yeah, I've been mauled. Did I ever tell you about that lady when I was,

have you ever heard of Alma? No. Go on. So she's this woman that people gather around from different parts of the world. Like she'll come into town and, people will wait in lines for hours and she does these conventions to hug her because she's got like this crazy healing energy. So it's like this whole convention just based around you wait in line to get a hug from her. Right. So I went to get a hug. What? Yeah. I don't even know

you. Who are you? I went to get a hug and there was this woman working in the booth and she was like, you have the eyes of a cat. And I was like, I was like, I don't like cats. Yeah. And she goes, this is where you hate yourself. You must look in the eyes and stop hating yourself. You are a cat. And I was like, she's like, you hate yourself.

And I was like, oh, my God, this is intense. I didn't like it. All I want to know is if you hugged OMA. I did. Oh. And I got my beads blessed. And it was like a whole thing. Okay.

And everything's been good ever since. Yeah. You know. Winning. Winning. All day from that hug. Is Jackie here? No, but there's a dog in the hallway.

What kind of dog? I don't know. Her name's Gemma and she's very cute. I love dogs. See, it's so backwards. Yeah. But I don't like beagles, I will say. Not a beagle fan.

I don't like beagles because of you too. Like, I can't get past it when I see when I'm like, I don't like you. You shouldn't like them. You know? They are not trustworthy. I don't trust you. Nope. You fucked up my friend's face as a kid.

100%. Yeah. Attacked. Eight. My whole face. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like beagles. Nope.

We're going to go pet some dogs. Okay, bye. See ya. That was a headgum podcast.