Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Heidi Montag on The Hills, Plastic Surgery and the Sex Tape Rumors

Episode Date: January 30, 2023

Heidi Montag [The Hills] talks with Olivia and Rachel about her pregnancy journey, The Hills, drama between the cast members, and on- and off-camera fights. They also discuss how Heidi ended up getting plastic surgery, how fame has changed, and the truth behind the rumored sex tape. Broad Ideas is supported by Living Proof. Visit LivingProof.com/IDEAS and use code IDEAS to get 10% off your first purchase. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm not even going to bother saying hello to my silent partners. Because they're assholes. Oh, you're wearing the sweatsuit I thought you. I've been wearing it since yesterday, Olivia. Well, that gets you talking. Today on broad ideas, we have this lovely lady, Heidi Montag. So, Heidi is known for the Hills,

also The Hills New Beginnings, which was their reboot. And now she is joining the podcast, Was It Real? The Hills Rewatch with Audrina, Brody Jenner, and Frankie. And yeah, she's about to join them and get into some stuff. That'll be fun to listen to. Oh, the Hills. Our life in our 20s, Olivia. Well, early 20s.

Oh. Ooh. Let's welcome Heidi Montag. Sometimes when the inside of Rachel's little brain, all these thoughts are swirling round and round inside to join us on this journey as we take a little ride. We'll talk about dogs and kids and things. We'll talk about chicks and tampon strings.

We'll talk about boys that I make you... Because people die. Hi. Okay. Hi. Hi. Oh, you're so beautiful. It's so nice to see your face and meet you.

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Nice to meet you guys. This is my best friend, Olivia. Hi. Who does the podcast with me? It's so fun, you guys. It's going to do it together. Oh, my God.

It's so fun. Katie said you got, you did your first episode right of the Hills this last week. I did. How was that? It was good. It's so funny getting that group of people together. So I'm always very entertained. God, yeah, a big part of your life, right?

It was like with all of those folks. Well, we did just do the reboot anyways, yeah. The reboot? Oh, right. Of course. Right. The reboot. Misha did that, right? Yeah. Yeah, she did. Did you work with her? Did you get to meet her and stuff? I did. So she did season one of the reboot and then I think she was like done. And that we did another season. So both were very interesting in different ways.

Oh, my God. How old were you when you did the first Hills? I'm 18. Oh, my gosh. You were. a baby. That's crazy. I know. I know. It's just turning 19. That is insane. I know. It was the whole thing. How did you get the show? Were you friends with Lauren? And that's how you got on the show? Yeah. So I was friends with her. I met her at fashion school. I actually went to school a year early. I got my GED because I was living in Italy for like in a broad program. Nice. And I'm from a really small town of like a thousand, two hundred people at the time. And I was like, I'm not going back to the small town. So I got my GED.

I went to fashion school and I met Warren like my first day of school. And there was rumors that this like MTV girl was going to be there. But it wasn't out yet. It wasn't like such a cultural phenomenon. And like a few people who had MTV, I think like the first episode launched or something. And so I thought it was going to be like, made. I want to be a prom queen. And anyways, lo and behold, her and I became really good friends. And then a few months later or like a month later, she's like, I'm going to the VMAs. I'm like, oh my gosh, it must be so rich. How are you going to go to the BMA? She's like, I'm on a TV show and I was like, oh my gosh, I thought we're going to be such a loser. You're so cool. You're the girl from OTV.

Oh, my God. So, yeah, we became best friends. And then, or we were like really good friends. Then we continued being really good friends. And then I moved down with her for the summer and then filmed a little bit of Guna Beach. And then her and I ended up moving to the Hollywood together. Oh, my God. So, well, I mean, it really was a real story.

From Laguna Beach to... It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. And it's so funny my connection to it because Laguna came after the OC and it was like the real Orange County. I know. You were like one of the most famous people ever. Oh God. That's so crazy. How was it for you? How times have changed? No. It was... No, I feel you. Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, I was so young, too. I was 21. So it was a different time. It was also a different time, I think, in the...

the, you know, TV world and the business and the early 2000s were kind of like this weird paparazzi. I know you experienced a lot of it. You met your husband on the show. How old were you when you met him? I was 19. Yeah. You were 19? I know. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. What's okay. Is that your baby or is that an animal? No, no, it's a baby. Oh, it's your baby. I just got it in from the car, hence being laying in like, I'm not going to transfer him, but he's, you know, just being a little old. How old is he? Oh, my God.

Two months. Two months. Two months. He just is fresh out of the oven. Oh, my God. What's his name? Riker. Riker.

What a beautiful. Ohio. We're baby obsessed. Like, we're both like, I can feel it in my boobs. Yeah. Like when I see. I know. It's not so crazy.

I'm like, it's time to feed. People are like, you're like an ex-woman. That's so crazy. Like, no, no, it's a mom thing. You'll get it. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It sounds weird until you experience it and then you see like a newborn and you like your breast kind of pulse.

Yeah. Do you ever feel like you want to like breastfeed your friend's babies? Yeah. No. Or like people's babies in a restaurant. You're like, here, give it to me. Yeah. I think my husband after this is an ash. Breastfeeding your husband after this is enough? Yeah, that's enough for me. That's my extent. Right. Yeah.

We appreciate it over here. Okay. That's how we roll. We're very, very, yes. I can be very. We're very breast friendly. Oh, good. We're very breast friendly.

We're very joke friendly. We're very, we can get a little. We're very friendly. We're very friendly. You know what? That's what we are. Wait, so I was just telling Rachel a story of how I met your husband back in the back in the day, back in the day before you guys had the show, anything.

and I was telling her we were out clubbing and we had like mutual friends and I had like a reaction over some dude and I needed to leave and I was like I got to get out here and he was like I'll drive you home and I was like I live in the valley and he was like that's fine and he was so sweet and he drove me all the way to the valley and dropped me off and was like a very friendly sweet cool dude and I remember always being like what a nice guy that guy is oh my gosh that's so I know, and not like hitting on me, like none of that. Oh, that's so nice. Yeah.

Mr. Friendly. You're like, I don't like that. Yeah, we're just friendly. Yeah, you're like, wait, what? When he drove me back, I complained about it. So, wow, that's nice. You're like, that's great. He's like, I'm not driving you back to Hollywood from Malibah.

I was like, oh, yeah, you are. You're like, you know, we hang up. You're going to be like, now I hear he was a nice Uber driver. He was a nice Uber. And this is like before Uber. Oh, my gosh. Totally. What did we all do before Uber? I mean...

Spencer was... He should have charged. Yeah, seriously. He should have charged. Oh, my God. And that's your second son, right? Yeah. And how old you first?

My first one is five. So we were actually late picking him up. I hope he's not too mad. Yeah, so Spencer has him now. But my first is five. And then this one is two months old. But it took us a while to get pregnant. It took me like a...

year and a half. Which time? Both times? This time. But with my first one, I got pregnant the first month. So I was like, oh, great. It will be like easy. And then I don't know if I was just so stressed out with like COVID and everything, you know,

and just the world was a little bit crazier. So this one just took me longer. But now in retrospect, I'm so thankful because he's like such a good older brother. And, you know, I don't have like a nanny or help at home. So it's nice to like for me to have this separation because I'm doing it all. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a lot easier once the other one is in school, you know. Right.

Yeah. And you can just be with the newborn. It's a lot. Totally. But even trying to get pregnant is stressful, right? I know you've shared about that and like the fertility struggle and what that's like. How was it for you? It was intense, especially we were filming the Hills reboot.

And like two of the girls got pregnant and I was trying so hard to get pregnant. And it wasn't that I was like upset that they were pregnant at all. It just was so, it was such a wound. for me. I was like, I'm just trying so hard to do that. I was so happy for them. So the producers like, are you jealous? I'm like, no, I'm not jealous. I'm like incredibly happy for them, but I'm having my own hard time. It has nothing to do with them, really. But I'm so glad I wasn't pregnant on the show. And that ended up being stressful and the cast was stressful and all that. So yeah, it was interesting just going through that journey. And it gave me such empathy for people going through that journey.

Because for me, I was like, oh, you know, I got pregnant in the first month. And everything was great and perfect and above one and you realize that struggle and you don't have compassion for it unless you really experience it because it's such a deep heartache and it's such a deep thing that you are wanting and trying for and I felt like I was responsible for it in some way. You know, I kept racking my brain. I'm like, maybe I shouldn't have a glass of wine or maybe I shouldn't eat this or maybe I'm doing this wrong or doing that wrong. So I just kind of was blaming myself and having a hard time with that. And, you know, it was kind of testing my faith a little bit too. and I was like praying a lot about it.

And I'm like, please, God, it's like, come on and help me. And then I got to a place where I was like, you know what? Maybe it's just not meant to be. And maybe I'm just meant to have one. And I really am just going to let this go. And I'm putting stress on my marriage and stress on my life. And this is just not how it's supposed to be. And so then I changed a few things.

I went on like a carnivore diet. I got some blood work done. I had my hormones tested. And I gave up all at the same time. And then I used preseed, which I didn't know. was like such a no-brainer. What's pre-seed? Preseed is like a lubrication that helps like the sperm.

Oh, yeah, yeah. And stay-in. So I was using this like homemade witchcraft. You know, and I'm like, I bet I was killing the sperm after all. So I changed a few things and I got pregnant right away. So then I was just really, I made everything just better. Really? So all those things you got pregnant super easily.

Yeah, so I have no idea which one it was. I feel like it's always a surrender. Right? And that's who. And that's who. And I just, I went under this tree. I know. It's just like my tree.

And I just kind of let go. A special tree. Got to find one in the ancient forest. So I just, and then I just kind of let go. And I was like, you know what? I'm just going to give up and enjoy my marriage. Enjoy my son. Enjoy my life.

I'm like missing moments. And I don't want to be in this desire state when I have. so much. Right. It's so hard. But, you know, fertility, I love when women can speak about it openly because so many people I know can struggle with this or have, I feel like, I don't know why, but I feel like it's more and more, but maybe it just wasn't talked about before. I don't know what it is. I think it's also our age, too, like the women in our lives. Well, the women that we know that are trying are older, you know, and I think nowadays you're not having babies at 20 years old. Some people are, but it's more common a little later on.

Right. And it's just, I just like that people can talk about it openly. And I appreciate you being so open about it. Because it is, you know, it's a thing. And I have family members. It's taken a long time. You know, there's just a lot. I also think that what I love about what you said is,

and we've talked about this with other people, that two feelings can exist at once. Right. Like a friend around you can get pregnant and it can hurt. and you can be happy for them. I feel like so many times it's like it's like people want you to be one or the other. Right. And it's like I'm allowed to be in pain over this and to be happy and celebrate them.

And kind of give yourself that permission because I feel like so many times people try and hide that it hurts them and just pretend to be happy for you when that's not always true. Right. And like you're saying, I am happy for you and I'm sad for me. Like, I'm bold, you know, like, yeah, I'm two things right now. Yeah. Don't typecast me. Yeah, it's just, it's this weird. You know, we've talked about, like, women nowadays, freezing their eggs, but, like,

there's a lot that goes into that, too. It's like, yeah. You know, and it's money and it's hormones and it's, like, this whole journey. But I'm a big fan of it for people. If you can do it. Yeah, if you can do it for sure. Yeah. I think whatever makes anyone happy.

I think it's so easy to become so judgmental and critical and especially with Instagram and social media and commenting. It's like, I didn't ask for your comments. You decided to leave one, you know? Right. But it's so easy to become in that culture when it's not really an acceptable thing. It's not really acceptable and a nice human quality to go around judging everyone and condemning people and commenting on them.

Like, that's just not how it's supposed to be. Like, are you going to walk up to that person, a stranger, and, say that to them? Like, no, that's so inappropriate. So if you don't have anything nice to say, like, I've never commented on somebody's, I don't even know, you know. So let alone thinking I'm going to go around and try to judge and understand people. Like, it's just become such a judgmental culture. And I'm just not into that. How do you handle it? Like if you see any negative comments or trolls or whatever, do you delete them? Do you ignore it? Yeah, I'll delete it or sometimes I turn off my commenting and, you know, I don't care. So it's like, whatever, thankfully, you know, like Spencer

and I were so hated and, like, right. Right. Not right. But me. Yeah. So I'm like, uh, yeah, you know, very used to it. We had other cast members that are like, oh, comments and this, that were like, okay, we've been dealing with this from the beginning. You guys got the great shtick of the show where you were so loved and everything was so great. So it's like, for us, we're more used to it and we've had to have thicker skin. And I have so going into the sideway of commenting. and that it doesn't affect me as much because I already dealt with all the hate and all that so long ago. So it's not as hard.

Why do you think that narrative came about with you and Spencer and like all the hate and everything? Like where did it come from? It's interesting. We were talking this on the podcast. Was it Rio, which is launching February 1st or that I'm joining. It's because Lauren was the narrator, right? It was one of the only shows where you had one narrator from one person's perspective. It was not an ensemble cast.

It more turned into that later. But that wasn't the intention of the show. That's not what people were hooked into the show. You followed a girl who came from Laguna Beach and the world around her. Like they always referenced her as the Mary Tyler Moore. So they wanted her to be so loved and likable and then make everyone around her a little bit crazy or a little bit wild or out there while keeping her strategically likable. That was what they did. That was MTV's investment.

They were financially invested in the Lauren Conrad business. You know, so when Lauren and I had a falling out and she basically told me it's my way or the highway, then that was it. You know, she said, I'm going to walk from the show of Heidi's still on it. And they said to her, well, then you can walk. Yeah. So at a point, it came to that. So they're like, well, don't worry. Like the producers got with her and were like, don't worry, Heidi's going to be so hated.

And she's going against you. You're the narrator. It's fine. You know, so there was like a full agenda for that. And so then we played into that by like, you know, a fake. fighting and certain things like that because I'm like, well, great, I'm getting paid millions of dollars to be on the show. I don't care. I'm still on it. Lauren doesn't even want me on it. And Spencer and I had to film by ourselves for like two years. We weren't even a part of the cast. And so people just didn't like me

because they thought I was a bad friend of Lauren, which wasn't the case. I'm like, actually, it's the exact opposite. Like, I was a really good friend. And she was not the really good friend. And it just was who had the narrative and the public persona and the better publicist and team. And it wasn't me. Wow. So you guys aren't friends. So is she there right now? Yeah.

Yeah. So she's on my couch. She's right here. No, but I wish her the best. And I understand where she was coming from in a sense that she's like, it's my show. And, you know, I'm the narrator. And if we're not going to be friends and you don't want to play my game, then you're out of here. You know, and I understand why she thought she had that.

hour and tried to do that move, you know, so. What was her game? Yeah, what was the thing that she wanted you to play or follow or do? She didn't want me to be with Spencer anymore. Oh, why? Why? You know, so I was dating Spencer and we were both just dating. I was dating other people.

He was dating other people. But on the show, it played out that just he was dating other people and I was like really invested in him, but that's like, thank God they didn't show my side of it. I was the real player. But anyways, when we decided to get serious, then Lauren kind of started dating Brody. So we were all double dating often. And then Brody wasn't as interested in her. And she's like, okay, you know what?

Forget Spencer. Forget Brody. Let's just do our own thing. And, you know, a few other things had happened in there. And I was like, no, that's not how it is. And so little by little, like if I wouldn't come home one night and I decide to stay with Spencer, she was like, you need to be here. And I'm like, I'm not going to, I can't be here all the time. Like, even my Valentine's Day, I left Spencer to go be with Lauren on our first Valentine's Day together. I was like,

I don't want to leave my girl alone. You know, she's already upset that I'm gone and not spending the night here every single night. And so she said to me, she's like, you're not going to be here all the time. And if you're not doing this, then you can't live here anymore. And I was like, wow. Like, you were with your boyfriend for a year. And I saw you like five times. that I'm making such an effort and I'm bending over backwards to still be friends with you and still support you even though you're being not nice to me at all. You know, like, so it just became very like territorial and I'm like, I'm not your dog at this point.

I'm your friend. You know, like you're supposed to be supporting me and through it and not like dictating what I'm doing. You know, I understand if you don't want to be alone, but I'm not leaving you alone all the time. Like I'm making a really big effort to like still be together. So I don't know. It just, she was young and I was young and she just wasn't having it.

So instead she was like, well, Doreena's going to move in, you're going to move out type of thing. And that was it. So I thought our friendship was like deeper than that. Did she want you there because of the show to film or did she want you there for emotional support? More emotional. Like in real life, she really wanted me there. You know, like you need to be here. Like she didn't want to be alone.

And I got that. But I'm like, well, if you're scared, get security. And if you need something to stay here sometimes, that's fine. But I wasn't, like, gone. I didn't, like, ghost her. And I was there several times a week. But, like, when you get a boyfriend, sometimes you're going to go spend the night at his house. And he came over a lot, too, because I'd be like, I can't leave more all the time.

Like, you've got to come here too. And he would. And we both made, like, a big effort to make her comfortable and to try it. But it was just never enough. And she just wasn't having it. So anyways, we have, like, a falling out breakup on the show. Oh, you had to play it out on the show? Yeah, and so we had to play it out on the show, but she had all the producers coaching her,

and I was just alone. I was like in a lion's den. They're like, oh, just you come and nobody like coached me or informed me or helped me or helped me or anything. And it was just like, because, you know, it was her role and it was her show. And so for me, it was like grow up quick and learn the industry fast on your own with your friend really turning on you on reality TV with all the people in her corner. and then I became the bad guy and I'm like, oh my gosh, I've actually been like the best friend

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It's like in every fight, right? A relationship, a friendship. If there's a falling out, we each have a part, right? What was your part in that? Because I hear like what that was, right? Yeah, it's tricky. I mean, I guess I had to be there all the time, you know, or break up with Spencer at that point. So I don't know.

I think about it often because I'm a very take accountability type of person also, you know, and I'm not like, oh, it was all this or that. And so I've really thought about it. And I've asked my friends who have been around that and I've been Spencer and my family. And at the end of the day, most people, including like my mom, my sister, like, there was nothing you could do. So I'd love to hear that from her. If there was whatever she thought, you know. And then it just became really tricky.

You know, and then she had that whole, like, sex tape thing that came out. What sex tape thing? So she had, like, a sex tape that Jason Waller was trying to sell. Okay. And it was on TMZ. There is a post on TMZ of him literally trying to sell it. So... Wait, was that her boyfriend that she was with for a long time?

Yeah. Yeah. And so during that summer and I had kept a secret that I tried to get it back with her. And I don't know what was on it. Maybe nothing was on it. So I don't even know what it could have been. Maybe she just was being flirting on camera. Who knows?

Whatever it was. Anyways, he publicly went out and said it was a sex tape that he was trying to get back. And she had said to me, like, we got to get this back. And I was like, I'm a writer. I'm like, well, I'm going to his house. Like, let's go. We'll do whatever, you know. So then she was really upset about that.

And that kind of never played out. And I went in for cosmetic surgery. And our friendship was like on Art's last leg. You know, like it was barely talking to her at this point. isn't really allowed at the place. I think I had just moved out on camera or whatever. And I go in and I come out and it says on a cover like Heidi, um, making up rumors, Heidi and Spencer making up rumors about a sex tape. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, like did I just die and go to hell? Like, what just happened? Like, I have nothing to do with that.

That is nothing to do with me. Why all of a sudden am I, when I went in for my plastic surgery and coming out where I couldn't even like defend myself, you know. And so then that just became a really tricky fallout. And so then Perez Hilton had asked Spencer like, is that true? And he's like, well, go to your research. From my knowledge, yeah, but you know, you can go ask Jason. And so Jason did confirm it to him. But their parents are really close. And so they got together and like made a plan and decided to just like put it off on us. So then for years, everyone's like, I can't believe you did that sex tape rumor about war and I'm like, why would I do that? If I was trying to get fame, I'd make one up about myself. Right. Or make one. I'd release my own sex tape. Yeah. I thought about it.

I'm not like shy. Why would I do that? I'm not like a vengeful type person. And I could totally get depressed myself. Like what? That does. So the whole thing became super weird. And that's why I was the villain on the show. Anyway, this is probably way more information about all that than you wanted. Well, it's a weak rumor. Like a sex tape. Like, oh, okay. Unless you can produce the sex tape, like, what value does that really have? Totally.

Like, gotcha. Gotcha. Like, that doesn't even make sense. I mean, sex tapes have done wonders for some people. Yeah, I have Rachel's real sex tapes that I could put out. Are that? You have it. I love me.

Don't look with me. Deal it. Seriously. God, it's so crazy, though, to see, like, so much stuff play out on reality. television. Like, I just can't even imagine what that must be like, you know? Would you ever do reality TV like Misha? No, you know, they, I think they, I think they asked if I would go on the hills or initially. I just don't, you know, I don't know anything about, I love watching reality television.

I fucking love it. That is my, yeah, that's my go-to. But I don't really, I really don't know how it is and I don't know how controlled it is or how much is forced and what you have to do. like these things you have to play out. And Audrina was telling me a little bit, I had spoken to her before that, you know, they'll literally set up situations, right? That you just have to go in and perform. It's like it and proff.

Yeah, it's different. It's different now, you know, and I had, and I would talk to Adriena about it, if she was on here. Like I said to Adriena, this reboot, I was like, girl, whatever you do now, I'm really holding you accountable for. I was like because you know you're you are a veteran at this point. You know you can say what you want.

You know you can do what you want. So whatever storylines, I'm not buying it. You know, so like her and I had a little bit of like a few things the last season. And I said to her, I was like, I'm not playing this producer game with you again. Like if you really want to say that about me, you're really saying that about me. Right. If you really want to do that. Yeah.

I was like, we're not in the hills when we're 20 years old saying the producers made me do it. It's like, no, no, no. You are saying and doing whatever you want at this point. And so that's your choice. And it's different now. It's really more cutthroat. You know, like all these housewives get replaced. And it is a job and it is a character. And you just have to have that discernment of like, okay, well, what? Am I just going to amp it up? You know, like, for me, I'll just like turn up and have more fun and do a little like, great mom's night gone wild. Like, let's have fun. And then if someone will be like, if someone will, like, turn up and then, like, if someone will, wants to step up to me or whatever, great, let's have whatever conversation and they usually do and they usually like that. And so it makes it easy for me to not have to like make storylines because

people, you know, are like easy to be judgmental. Yeah. I'm not to exist and people have a problem with it. So, you know, like one girl was like, oh, you're drinking too much. And I was like, who are you to like sit here and comment on my drinking? I have a nanny. I was just pregnant. I'm out for the first time, you know, so like, you know, I can. You know, I can. But I'm not like someone who will just go up and judge and criticize people, but they cast those people. So I'm great at standing up for myself against those people. Anyways, yeah. It's tricky. Reality TV is an art. It's a hard situation, but it comes easier for something. But Misha was not. I don't think she enjoyed her time. It didn't see when I watched it. It was like it was so kind of forced in. It's like what is she doing here? Because they're watching it. I was like, you are, this is not.

It just didn't work. Well, she did, she did, right? She only did the one season. She wasn't into it. And she hated it. And I think she like, I think people talked her into it. Her agents, her managers are like, it's a good check. You'll hardly have to do any work.

It's like, no, it's a lot of work. And you can't come in and phone it in because you're a name. Like, you got to pull your weight if you're coming in or let's get somebody who will. you know, but like I don't think it was fun for her at all. Oh, man. She seemed misplaced. She seemed like plucked in. Just put in there?

Yeah, like the history isn't there. Like, there's so many different elements that just didn't exist. Yeah. With her there. Rachel, how was your time working with Misha back then? Was it wild for you guys? You know what? Well, it was such a crazy time, right?

Like, she was 17. She was a baby. I was 21. We were so young. But, like, that first year, we all kind of went through it. together. So there was actually this nice kind of camaraderie. We'd all go out all the time and like hang out and Olivia was a part of it. And I started dating Adam Brody and it was just like this whole thing, you know? And I, Misha and I were always close and, you know, I always supported her.

And that girl, she worked so much. She was 17 and had to work so much that I can't even imagine and having to take that on as a 17-year-old. And plus all the attention that came with it, like on the cover of every magazine and in the fashion shows and that, you know, it's a lot of responsibility for a really young girl and you need a really strong support system.

And I was always there, you know, and it was fun. We had a lot of fun. It was a good, like the first year especially, I don't know if that was the same for you, but like the first year and like coming up, you're just having a good time. Yeah.

Yeah. There's nothing like that. And then everything changes. Do you still like doing it? I do with a good cast. You know, like, that was my problem with the relaunch of the last hills. I'm like, this is ridiculous. You can't play tennis by yourself.

Like, you need a Jersey short cast where everyone's going to come in and play the game and pull their weight. Or just be authentic. Like, stop hiding yourself. Like, it's tricky with our show. Everyone is such image crafters. Right. So everyone thinks this is their chance. to like reboot this or like get their extra ads for Instagram or whatever.

It's like, oh my gosh, just be authentic. You actually hate that girl and you just said it to me in the bathroom. Like be a 35 year old and just freaking say it to her because that's so it just it becomes frustrating when the actual people who have problems and don't like each other are like hiding it. And then the people who really don't have problems. Like everyone just wants Spencer and I to do the work because we already like not as liked as them or whatever. And it's like that's not the way it is.

That's boring. Like you can't continue having a thing with Spencer and I. Like nobody wants to see that. It's already done. So just be authentic because you don't like blah, blah, blah. And just deal with that. So I do like being on like we did Big Brother in England and we got second, which was great. Oh my God.

And then we went back into all stars, which was fun. You know, we've done like a reality show almost every year since the Hill's Spencer had. Yeah. What was the one you liked the most? Famous food was really fun. And actually, Ashley Dupree ended up being on that with me. And she was like the best. And I hung out with her a lot.

And now her stepdaughter, I guess, is one of the most famous people like in the world coming up. That Alex Earl, have you guys heard of her? Alex who? Alex Earl. Alex Earl. Are you on TikTok? No, I'm sorry. Oh, my gosh.

Lame. You need it for your podcast. I know. I do. I really, I'm so bad with all that stuff. I think we started it, but then forgot. Started what? A TikTok. You did? Yeah. I didn't start a TikTok. I did. I did. Oh, you did? For the broad ideas. But then I never really posted anything. Our brains, you know, the mom brain. It just never goes out. I know. I know. You got to get on it. It's like more powerful than Instagram now. It's more powerful than God, isn't it? Oh, nothing's more powerful than God. How long have you and Spencer been together? 16 years. Holy smokes shows.

I know. 16 years. Are you sick of him? No, actually, I'm really obsessed with him. Like, I love him so much. He like pops up behind you right now. I love him so much. No, I really do.

Like for me, he is very, very, very. funny and keeps me on my toes, that's for sure. We all need that. Yeah, right. And he's very honest. Like, you never have to wonder what Spencer is thinking. So it just makes everything easy. It's like how to say it, how it is.

And for a lot of people, that's difficult or like, you know, for cast members, that's not the most funding here. But for me, it's nice and refreshing. And, like, you don't have to play any, you know, so. But you met him so young and you've been with him for so long. Do you ever, like, wonder what it would have been like if you had more time to explore? Oh, I think I explored plenty before. I think I was like, thank God, I didn't explore anymore.

I was like Columbus. So I'm glad that's over. Yeah, like, actually rescued me from my hostage. So that's good. Everyone has one, right? Oh, yeah. I think so. Fine.

So, no, I don't wonder that. I don't. And I dated, like, some TV stars and I dated other people. What? You know, so I, like, did the one year when I was launched in between Spencer joining, I did a lot. Good for you. Yeah. So, like, there was a short time when I dated Chase Crawford and, like, a few other people.

We loved him. He came on her, and I know Chase is, like, the sweetest, right? He's so nice. I hear he's the nicest to date. Wait, didn't Andrena date him too? After me. I'm like, girl, you want to date everyone after me? Wait, who else did she date after you?

I'm like, well, just on the show, they shouldn't really date him, but Spencer. At the same time. It's just the beginning of it. So I changed my number on Spencer in the summer when we, like, really met and we're dating. And I was like, nobody give him my phone number. Like, do not do that. I will not talk to you anymore. So he was all mad about that.

And he wanted to get on the show because he just executive produced, I don't know, did you ever hear of Princess Malibu that was on Fox? Yes. Okay. So he executive produced Princess of Malibu that I just sold. And he was like, all right, Brody. We were just dating, you know, date him and Kristen Kavana. or how he had introduced me. And then they were like, let's get on the hills and let's get back

at Heidi basically, or Spencer was. So he showed up to a red carpet with Adrena and, you know, that I was working and it did work and I got so mad. But I was dating other people too. You know, mine just weren't like filmed. So anyways, the storyline was that. But in real life, I think she did date Chase. Right. Right, right, right. Well, we'll ask her when we talk to you. Are you guys friends now? Yeah, I love Adriena. I really do. We've been through so much. And I've known her since I was 18 years old. And, you know, we've definitely had our show ups and downs for sure. But I think she is such a, she does have such a great heart. And she's gone through so much. And she is so sweet and fun. And I always have a place at my heart for Adriana. So it is nice working with her, too. It's like, oh, we're going to just relax. And she doesn't feel any pressure from producing. to fight with me. Aw. That's sweet.

And you're both moms. I feel like that changes things too, you know. Is she friends with Lauren still? Nobody's friends with Lauren. Oh, nobody's friends with Lauren. Not that I know. I mean, I'm sure she has friends. But like from the show, nobody's friends with her ever again.

Well, she went on Kristen's podcast, didn't she? Yeah. So are they, you're friends with Kristen. No. I'm friends with Kristen. I love her. I love her. I love Kristen. She is so funny. So I met Kristen when I, yeah, when I was 17, I guess, no, 18, yeah. And then her and Lauren hated each other in real life. And we're on a Bahamas trip, but I met Kristen. I was like, oh, no, we can't hate Kristen.

We love her. Yeah, I said, no, we love Kristen. You need to figure this out. And so on that trip, I actually made them be best friends. And it was so fun. And so I thought, like, great, well, I'll just be friends, whatever. And then they went back to the go and hated each other again. But for a moment in time, they were besties.

Isn't that the worst, though, when your friend doesn't like someone and then you feel in the middle and you're like, but I really like that person? I know. Who do you feel that about that I feel differently? Yeah. I'm not saying. Who are we referencing? Yeah. Are we referencing?

I'm not talking about you. I know. I was kidding. But I'm just wondering. No. Just in general when like one of your friends has something with someone and you're just like, oh, I don't know how to not be nice to this person I like. Do you, what do you do in that situation? You got to choose your friend.

That's it. Which one? Well, are they both your friends? So you are like, okay, I can't make friends with that person if my friend doesn't like him. I would be on. I don't know how close of a friend is it. I don't know. I'm like, sorry, we don't like you. But sometimes to me, that's the question is like what's authentic?

Yeah, the truth is, it'd be authentic for me to be nice to this person if they're nice. Right? It gets tricky. Well, I just had a friend. I have two friends, right? One is like a really long-time friend and one is a newer friend, but I really like both of them. And I didn't know in college one friend dated the other friend's boyfriend. And she's like, oh, did you know? And I was like, no, but you'll love her and they're both friends in a different way. So I was like, you guys, anyways, they met at my baby shower. And they love each other.

And I was like, you guys would love each other. I knew it. Same taste. I always say that. Like, I always like, yeah. I was like, you guys have good taste. Right. One married the guy and one dated him.

So you guys. Oh, they're married now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like there's something to it.

If you can be, like, mature enough to be like, oh, no. like clearly we're both cool because we like like the same person did we ever date the same guy you and I yeah are you insane like as if no way or there is somebody no way Jose yeah okay I didn't think so I have no memory oh my god she legit just asked me if we dated the same guy well I don't know we have another best friend and you guys have dated the same guy so it's not that crazy yeah thank you where did you guys meet? We grew up in the Valley. We meet you. Oh, okay. More locals and same, you know. Gotcha. Real life Valley girls. Real. Did Spencer ever drive you home, Rachel? I can't wait for us to hang up because the first thing you're going to do it's going to be like,

oh, so you're a nice. I am. I am. But it wasn't sleazy. I remember just feeling like, what a sweet guy. Well, he is very charming, so I wouldn't put it past the charm. I love your whole position on this. You're like, uh-huh, he's really charged. Listen, I thought it was nice. That sounds very nice. Me too. It is very nice.

You're like, the fact that he drove to the valley. Yeah, I was like, that's the part. It's not that anything else. It's the valley. I don't even care of you hooked up. I don't even care of you hooked up. It's the fact that he drove you or didn't complain about it. He did it.

He did it. He was nice. That is so funny. Yeah, I don't know. I just think about, like, It's just so crazy to me because the time and when you guys met and you got married, did you get married on the show? Yeah. Like your wedding was on the show.

Right. So we actually eloped for an Us Weekly cover and that was like what we consider a real wedding. And the Hills called and they were like, how dare you? You guys are in so much trouble. I can't believe you guys did that. That's a storyline. And they were like, you're either fired or we're coming down there, basically. And then so they got a crew over Thanksgiving.

And they came down there and they filmed the elopement. And then they had us like pretend to go to the courthouse and see if we were going to get married in the courthouse, which of course we were never. And then they picked the wedding for us in Pasadena and pick the church and, you know, yeah. So actually, I have like all weird. I mean, not weird, but different weddings than I would have had. And I ended up with like three, but not the one I would have thrown myself, I think. Yeah. Well, okay. But you, no regrets. You're happy with how everything worked out. So weird, though, to have your whole romantic life play out on television. It's weird because people are like, oh, you guys had such a horrible relationship. And it's like, I would never have had that relationship. I would never have been with someone who treated me like that. You know, so like we had such a fake tumultuous relationship. Right.

After like season two. And I would never. But even if you did it that age. Right, even if I did that be no problem. Right. But that just wasn't the real... It just was the opposite of the real life we were living. So the only time we ever really fought was if it was over like a storyline or I'm like, whoa, you just learned it a little too hard for that storyline or whatever it was. So like the only fighting we ever had was over the show's storyline sometimes.

But like we were really a team because it was, it felt like spidey against the world. Like we were against publicists and people and storylines and, and, you know, we were like a team doing everything together. We've always been, like, really close. So it's kind of funny if they had just followed what we were really doing. I think it would have been about 100 times more interesting. But they never wanted us to show, like, now on housewives and all this, they show their clothing lines.

And if they're famous or, like, carpet or whatever. And for us, they were like, absolutely not. We would never do that. Would you go on housewives? I would love to go on housewives. Andy Cohen hates me. Wow. And has, like, said that I will never be allowed to be a housewife.

this and that. I don't know. It must be a Lauren fan. It goes deep. Did it ever affect your mental health dealing with all of that? I think what I affect my mental health was my cosmetic surgery. I think that was the only thing. Like, I had a doctor offer to do all this stuff for free. Yeah. So I was like, great. Like 100 grand of free plastic surgery. Awesome. You know, but I should have like stopped and thought about that because when he was telling me about it, it sounded so minor. You know, and I was just so criticizes right when comments came out and like we were so hated and like people were so mean about my looks. So yeah, I think that the cosmetic surgery was challenging for me. Because I thought it was just such an easy thing and then I like almost died and they gave me

too much demoral and then like they told Spencer I was dead and he had to like come down and yeah. And then I was like they got me back and I was okay. And so I think after that and that like life or death experience and that and that I was so fragile and frail and it took me so long to recover and I was supposed to like go back to work and film and you know my family was upset and a lot of things so that for me was the hardest point of my career and my mental state because I just was you know really out of it and then I didn't want to take all the um pain killers and stuff because I don't even like taking Tylenol and so I was just in so much pain and I was using crystals And that's why we got into like crystals because I was like, just give me the sugar light.

That'll rub on my head or whatever. So, yeah, for me, that was it. That was the really challenging point. That was put us kind of in fight or flight mode when we were supposed to be thriving and like had a spinoff. And I had a QBC deal. And I had like all these big things that we had worked years towards. And my album was just about to drop in a book coming out.

So all these things we had worked so hard for in all these years just going to got completely, like, taken away and shut down. Wow. That was a big drop. And then we kind of, like, the show ended right then. And then we, like, went to Costa Rica and got away from the industry and, you know, kind of recouped. Like, did you live in Costa Rica? We did.

We took a one-way jet there, spent all the rest of our money, took our four dogs, got, like, I just took Burkins and gold at that point. And we're like, let's just move there and buy a house. and then we got there and all the houses were like millions of dollars. We're like, oh, my gosh, we can't live here. Oh, no. This is not the shack we thought we were going to live in. Oh, wow. What a story?

What drove you into the plastic surgery? Were you dealing with emotional things about comments about your looks? Like, what emotionally brought you to the point where you were a yes on that? I think I always wanted implants growing up because my grandma had really big breasts. So I always wanted implants. I was always kind of made fun of for my nose. And then there was a plastic surgeon who came up to me and he was like at an event. He's like, oh, I can do it for free. Like, do you ever want a nose or boob job or anything? Or actually, he had a representative come up to me, someone who worked at a tabloid. And I was like, sure. Yeah. I mean, especially if you're coming up to me

and pitching it. Great. So I think if that didn't happen, I would never have gotten anything. Like I wasn't looking at doctors and, like, seeking it. And I actually was pretty confident in who I was, even though I, like, always wanted that or just thought it was, like, no big deal. And so then after that, I had my nose, like, broken by a backup dancer when I was practicing for this universe. Yeah, she, like, oh, hold on my nose. And I swear, I really think it was on purpose. And she just, like, came up and, like, did this to my nose. And I was like, you weren't even supposed to be near me. Like, what the frick, you know? So it was, like, so frustrating. Wait, but your whole sentence was like I was practicing to be Miss Universe in a backup dancer and broke my nose. Like that

just in itself. Yeah. So I was like, I know. So I was like, okay. And then my breast, I just thought were smaller. So I was like, well, if I'm going into get my nose. So I had a consultation with the same doctor. And he was like, well, let me show you what I would do. I'm like, yeah, what would you do? What other things if we're under? And he's like, this, this, this, this and this. And then by the time I went away, I was like, oh my gosh. I didn't know that much was wrong with me. And like, why not? Samantha on sex in the city. Do you know when she goes and they draw? It was way more than Samantha. Yeah.

So then I was like, well, great, if you're wanting to do all this for free and you think that aesthetically I should get all that done, then I might as well. And he made it sound like it would take a month to recover. A minor this, a minor that, a minor eyebrow, lift a minor. You know, nothing is minor in surgery. It's like they're cutting you open and you're getting stitches and things all dirt. Like, that's not minor. Oh, my goodness. And so, and especially when you put it all together, and that's why it was so controversial that I had that many things done at once.

Yeah. And a lot of people wouldn't do it or recommend that. Like, I think I was under for over 16 hours, which is, I think they say not legal anymore or something like that. But, oh, my. Yeah. That makes me emotional. Yeah, like, oh, my gosh. I know.

And so much of it looked the same. I was like, oh, my gosh. Why did I even get that done? Now I just have a scar. and that's the same as it was or this, you know, so it's like a lot of it looked similar. And I was beautiful before and I was fine and I didn't need that, you know, like. Wow. Absolutely precious.

Yeah. Yeah. And it put my family through a lot and it put my marriage through a lot. And, you know, thankfully, like my family is great now and my marriage is great and was, you know, it just put him in a position of being a nurse and doing all this other stuff that we didn't need and especially at the time. So, yeah, it's just a lot. What are your thoughts on that now for young girls?

It's challenging because I don't want to, like, judge them. And I understand. And, you know, it's like I love my implants, you know, and I like my nose job. So I get it. But what I pay for it and go through all that again and do that, I just don't want my value to be in my looks no matter what. And I've really never been a person who has. has had my value and my looks. You know, I'm really an outdoorsy person and I love my family and I like

to focus on other things. So my suggestion too for anyone is just like, okay, well, what, why? Why do you want to do that? And what are you thinking about? And what is that going to change in your life? And so how they let down? How is it breastfeeding with implants? Thank God. It's great for me. I didn't know if I was going to be able to, especially because I've had three. You've had three? So I had my first ones. And then when I went back in for my second ones, and then I ended up getting a reduction because they were so painful. And I was going to get them fully taken out. But he was like, you're the skin. And I just maybe do it two steps at a time. If you're going to do that because my implants were so big and heavy. So, yeah, I've had three. I've had three.

Yeah, I can't and everything's good. But some people can't. Some people can't breastfeed. Yeah. I always wonder how it, if it affects that. They say that it shouldn't cut the milk. Duckids or what are they called? Ducks.

Ducks. Ducks. Okay. Duck it. I always have everything like one letter off. Oh, yeah. What a thing? I mean, again, it's so nice that you're in refreshing that you are so open about all of it.

because all these things, you know. I appreciate that because there's something really vulnerable in that of like, you know, there's something in most young girls that compares themselves. And now especially with social media and people look like filters and nothing's real. And I think that it's such an important message to go to the why. Like what is it that you want to really experience and, is that going to do it for you? Right. And what are you focusing on? It's like, are you just focusing on how, like, perfect you are and beautiful and this and that? It's like, well, then you need to focus on other things, too.

Like, you need to maybe stop looking at Instagram or stop looking, comparing yourself to other people. Like, compare yourself to other people. It's just going to leave you miserable no matter what. You're not supposed to be other people. You're not supposed to see how everyone's living and what they're doing and what their lives. Like, you're the only one who can be you. Like, enjoy being you. Enjoy all the things. you have and enjoy your personality and your family and your life. I know, I know. And life's just too short for that, you know, and it just takes away. And I can't imagine with social media how much harder because all this was before social media. That must be really hard for kids. But I also feel like for you guys growing up in that kind of fame world, it was so isolated

as far as like who was famous. And you guys were like the center of a whole world. And now it's like with Instagram and stuff, it's gotten so diluted that people can make themselves famous all over the place. And it's not as much attention on the people that are actually famous anymore. Right. Like Spencer said the other day, he's like, there is no more 15 minutes of fame.

It's 15 seconds. Right. You know, and it's true. It's like who is relevant right now? Who has the trending this? Who has the trending that? Like, it wouldn't even be as fun to be famous now. Like, we got the end of having the fun fame when you got the club appearances and people

are flying in places and the red carpets were cool and the social media and the paparazzi were more fun. Like, all of it was just more fun. And now it is so different and diluted and not as respected and everybody thinking they can do what you do and comment on what they want. And this whole, like, entitlement of this generation is very different. too, you know, so it's like, I get that, yeah, we weren't actresses or basketball players or something like that, but we were good at what we did. And that was a whole different talent of playing the game

and making storyline and playing, you know, like we had to do a lot of things. I mean, nothing like Kim Kaye because kudos to freaking her. You know, so that's a whole different level of success and saviness, but it was not just, you know, being viral on TikTok, which I'm sure is also hard. You know, it is. I try to be viral on TikTok. Try it. It's hard. Not all these platforms, but it is a whole different world.

For sure. Gosh. We always, okay, so we have questions we like to ask. And if you're not comfortable, we like to go there. So you just go with us as much as. I'm kind of a just say it all type of person. Okay, well, you might change your mind. We'll see.

All right. Go ahead. Well, start easy. Has your husband ever tasted your breast milk? I think once and he thought it was so disgusting. Like on accident, you know, like, oh, gosh. You know, not like, not like, I'm going to taste your breast milk. I think it was actually more of the colostrum.

Oh, it was a bolt. Yeah. It's potent. So I think that was not. He was like a one and done. Yeah, he's not into that. It's not a fetish over here. All right. If you were to agree to have a threesome with another woman, just by, you know, go with us, what would be your rules and parameters?

Yeah, I don't think there's any world I would. I'm like getting mad thinking about it. I'm like, oh, no. You were mad about the car ride. You were mad to drive me to the valley. We'd have to, she'd have to be AI or something. Oh, that's a good parameter. Even that, I think, would bother me. It would bother me. I'd be like, oh, you like her? We have to unhook the AI and put her in the dumpster after her.

But I do like my Jimmy Jane, you know, like I like my vibrators. Does that count? Yeah, that was one of our... Yeah, we've got that in there. Yeah, we do. Okay. What's your relationship? Yeah, what's your relationship with self-pleasure? I love my Jimmy Jane.

I think it's the best thing ever, but I really like it during sex. Oh, my gosh. You don't have a Jimmy Jane, girl? No, what is it? Let me change your life. It is the best vibrator of the world. I've tried them all. Trust me, I've spent thousands of dollars.

The Jimmy Jane is the best. Google it. I'm Googling right now. The rabbit one. It's the pink or black one with the two ear things. So it's a rabbit. It's kind of like a rabbit, but it's better than a rabbit. Okay.

Yeah. How old were you when you discovered all this? I think I actually am six. Actually, when Spencer and I went to the hustler store and we, bought everything. That's when I was about 20. That's young, yeah. That's young, but good for you. Okay.

Rachel's busy now. No, I'm busy Googling. Sorry, I'm looking up. Gene Jeanie. I will help here. How fun. Okay. You're not going to, you're probably going to be a hard no on this one then too. If you had to, had to, pick another famous couple to swing with, who would it be? Yeah, I wouldn't. I could and I wouldn't.

It's not. I love how. You're just like, no. But not even like when Brad and Angelina were together. You wouldn't be like, okay. Well, at least I'll get. I'm like, Angie, take your Q-bye and get the frick out of here. No way.

No way. Okay. What is your weirdest turn on? I mean, I guess it's not weird. Spencer thinks it's weird. Kissing. I like kissing. Spencer's like gnaw in a kissing.

Really? I think kissing is so important. You want to step your tongue down my throat? Like, it's not. Yeah. I really feel like it's so important. And like you can tell how someone kisses if you're like really. Rachel really thinks it's important.

I do really. I do. I do. And he's so good at it. I'm like, what is wrong with you? You're so good at it. You obviously done it a lot. Your turn.

Okay. Would you ever purposely release your own sex tape? Yes. Yes. To say. I would. Yeah, I would have the distributor and the money, and I'd have really cute hair and makeup and outfits. And yeah. We're like, I'm happy. So I'm already planning it. Why not then? It's coming. Two thousand, 25. It's moms out. I love it. What makes you jealous in your relationship? Sometimes he was even watching past Hills episodes I've caught myself like, my gosh, you're still like, what's wrong with you?

So, yeah, that was interesting. And now thankfully, like doing this podcast is coming out on February 1st. It was actually really therapeutic where it finally like clicked in for me. Like, I don't care anymore. Like I don't know why that bothered me for a while, you know, like even when we would pretend. Like we'd have a game plan. You'd be like, okay. So, you know, the producers would be like, these girls are going to be there and we want to have Spencer there and you walk in and it looks like he's flirting with them.

Well, he's a really good actor, you know, and so I'd get there and I'd be like, okay, that's a little too flirty. You know, and then I'd like, really, you could like get my character. Anyways, yeah. I get that. Also with age, I think, comes like, you know, you're like, eh, I don't care anymore. Right now. Yeah, I'm like, two kids later, 16 years. I hope you had your fun then.

I hope that was correct. Yeah. Most dates are over. What's the weirdest thing you've had stuck inside your body? I recently accidentally sold plastic. Oh. That was horrible. That's really sounds uncomfortable.

Yeah, it was at a restaurant and I thought I was going to die. And I was like, wait, what was it? What was it? What did you think? It was like a piece of plastic in a Chinese restaurant. I won't name that restaurant, but it was so scary. I have implants. That's something weird in my body.

I strategically put things in my body. So there's a lot of answers. Human beings. Yeah. Human beings. Yeah. Toys. Filos.

Vibrators. Legos. Not quite yet. What's your weirdest role play fantasy? I look, I think they're all fun. I used to have a bunch of outfits, you know, nurse outfits and all those. I like them all. Are you still into it?

Now I think I just more, I'm like, wait until I get hair and makeup. I'm coming home hot, honey. I was like my fame girl. Aw. Oh, my gosh, that face. Look at that baby. I can't handle it. Probably got to do the, like, my microphone.

The Monarch. Okay. Oh. Okay. Rush a passy. Little bubs. My headphones are stuck. I'm stuck.

Okay. Okay. Oh. Oh my God. Too much old. I love babies. I love babies. I know.

Look at him holding hot. I love it. It's everything. Is it you or me? Well, I don't think she's going to answer this one. Well, she'll answer it. It's just, yeah. It's just going to be a boring answer.

Not boring, you're just going to be. You're going to shut it down. You're going to shut it down. If your husband had a fatal disease that could only be cured with him having sex with one of your friends, who would you pick? I think he'd have to die. I'm like, honey, I will see you and have a nice, God's will. I love you. I'll see you in heaven. Catch you on the other side. Okay. Are there dreams inside of you you have still yet to fulfill? Yeah, I think so. I wrote a book a long time ago. We'll see if that

will ever come out. I've thought about going into like real estate. You know, I think just more money in the bank account. I like that. That's one of my main goals. I'd love to get a condo in Colorado where my family is. That's a really big goal for me. Just to be able to have like the boys there and we have more time with my family because, you know, they can't really like forward to come out here all the time. And I wish I bought one back at the height of our money and fame when I didn't like spend all of our money. And then who knows, maybe we'll have another one, but maybe we'll be done. Aw. Lots of dreams, guys. I'm still young. I love it. I might not be as famous anymore, but I got a lot ahead of me. Yes. Reach for every single dream. Oh, I love.

like this one for you a lot. What's one piece of advice that you would give your younger self? I would say to just appreciate myself more. I think that it's so easy to become so critical and especially when everyone's criticizing you and questioning you and just to be less critical of myself. Yeah. Has that gotten less as you've grown? No, I'm still working on that. Yeah. Like as a mom, you know, you're like, or for, For me, I definitely criticize myself. And I'm like, oh, I didn't get enough time with this one. And I didn't do that right.

And I wish I had tucked him in a little bit longer. And, you know, it's good to, like, reflect and to check yourself. But at the same time, like, I just don't want to constantly be criticizing the type of mom I am or wife. Or like, oh, I wish I had said this to Spencer and, you know, let him know that he's doing such a good job with that. So it's a balance. I don't know if it's just being a Virgo or not. When's your birthday? September 15th.

When's yours? August 25th. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So maybe you relate to that. Yes. But I think that it's important to just have the balance of wanting to be the best person you can and like having a good perspective on yourself and a good reality check and just not always criticizing yourself.

I think that's the best. Striving to be kinder, right? Right. Yeah. Okay. We're doing two last questions and then our last thing. Um, where's the weirdest place you've had sex? Um, I mean, not weird. It was fun, but like on the beach in Costa Rica was fun.

That sounds fun. A mile high club was fun on a jet. That was really great. Um, just to see, it was quick because there's a lot of people there, you know, but it was fun to just, like, give it off a checklist. Good for you. A bathroom at the CBB house. That was, you know, got to hang up the microphones. Like, and there's no locks on the doors. there, so you have to, like, put something against the door and hope someone doesn't come in. Like your body? Yeah, exactly. Well, if you put your body against you, you're following through because it's a double door. Right. Okay. I'm realizing we use weirdest a lot. Like, what's the weird? We got, we need some more adjectives.

Um, okay. And then last, if you could trade lives with any celebrity for a day, who would you pick? Ooh, that's a really good one. Oh, my gosh. Maybe Brittany. Spears to see what's going on. Yeah, like to get the tea. Yeah, to give her my phone number and see what is happening. I don't know. I'm always wondering because I'm a big Brittany fan and I love her. You know, I was fully for the free Brittany movement.

People were like booking Cambios with me back in the day. Like for a free Britney, like before it was a big thing. And I was like, for you Brittany. And I actually thought it was a joke back then. And I didn't know. when I was like, should I do this cameo? And then I, like, did more research. I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is like a whole movement before it was a big one.

Yeah. But, yeah. Brittany. I know. We're big Britney fans. Yeah. We love our Brit. We love you.

We love you. We love you. We do. Okay. And lastly, we play a game. Mary, Barry, one night stand. Hmm. Austin Butler.

You know who he is? Yeah. Okay. Rami Malik. Or Mario Lopez. those are your three. I don't know. I wouldn't marry Barry or Stanning

and you're trying to frame me for a murder. And you could be like, how do you just sat in on the podcast? Oh my gosh. You could bury them in sand. It doesn't have to be a murder. She loves Spencer. I know.

You really love your husband. It's really cool. I do. I do. Thank you. 16 years later. No, I, yeah, I love my husband. Obviously, we all love our husbands, right? It's not like, or if you have one, I don't know.

I mean, I don't think everyone loves their husbands. I mean, I don't have one. I have one. I love mine, but I don't think everyone loves theirs. I think, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I have a lot of friends. And I think it's great. I think different relationships are great. Like, I have one friend who is obsessed with this celebrity and she would like cheat on her husband right now with him with his permission. I'm like, and good for you guys. And that was cool. That's great. And whenever you guys are, you know. Yeah. Whatever works for you, right? Whatever works. Yeah. I'm not like, oh, everyone should think how I think. It's like, no, it's just my relationship. I love that. There, everyone has different. Yeah. You know. Would Spencer get upset if he heard your answers to the game?

No, he's like the least jealous person ever. So he would answer all the ones that you wouldn't. That guy just totally hit on me in front of you and you don't even care. You're like, care more. Does that ever annoy you? That's always annoyed me. I never have dated jealous guys and I always wanted someone to be jealous. Yeah, I'm like, hello, that guy just said. want to marry me on your TikTok and you don't even care. Yeah. You're like, come on. Yeah.

Seriously. True punch. All right. Do you not want to marry Barry or one night stand anybody? Oh, no. You're like, I'm picking up what you're putting down. Back to this. No.

Yeah, yeah. No, picking up what you're putting down. That's okay. They were kind of tough ones too. They were. Yeah. Thanks guys. I mean, we could have given her more like.

I'm going to make Olivia do it when we hang up. Okay. What? I'm just kidding. I mean, thank you for being so great. and so open and awesome. And it's so nice to meet you finally. Yeah, you as well, both of you.

Thank you guys so much for having me on. Hey, we did it. We got the road with us. And I love that we did it with a baby. With a baby. We're the people like anytime. A baby just put it in front of us. We will.

And congratulations on your new baby and the podcast that you're joining. That's launching. And congrats to you guys. Thanks. Yeah. Keep up the good work. Yes. Have a great day with your beautiful family.

Happy New Year. All right. You too. Bye. Thanks, Heidi. So how much was the Hills, like your guys' lives in L.A. growing up? Basically, we wrote it. No, I'm just kidding.

You know what? I don't think I ever watched The Hills. Did you watch it, Olivia? Oh, yeah. Oh, well, then you can see to it. This is where we differ on reality TV. Because I do Bachelor and you do The Hills? Yep.

Like I've seen all the Kardashians, I've seen the hills, but I've never seen The Bachelor. So you're more about the lifestyles of the rich and the famous, Olivia? Right. And I like relationships. I mean, I'm so about it. That's so funny. Not that I wouldn't watch those. I just never, like, put them on. You know what I mean? No, I think the difference is one's more competition and one's more slice of life. So I'm more into the slice of life and not the competition.

And I'm way more into the competition. that makes sense. I'm pretty competitive. And I'm not. Yeah. Reality TV in general is just such a different world that I don't understand, but I enjoy watching. Do you like it, Rob? It's not my cup of, it depends. It depends. It's not my cup of tea normally. The slice of life stuff isn't. But I can get down on like Survivor and Top Chef. Not amazing race, but...

I love Top Chef. But Top Chef, I feel like is a different category. Yeah, absolutely. Like reality television, you know? It is. It's a competition. I love Top Chef. Come on petition. There, you solved it, Olivia. Well done. This is what I do.

I know. But I think I like the competition ones that feel more slice of life than like the over-the-top the hell's kitchen cooking shows where Top Chef feels a little more real. That makes sense. I love Top Chef. Have you guys watched Is This Cake? Yeah, of course. Breyer loves that show.

It's good. It's good. I know. Those are the ones I love. It's cake. Watching with her Bake Squad is one she's watching now. It's a new one on Netflix. So I finally got into White Lotus, the second season.

Okay. Spoiler alert? Spoiler alert. So if you haven't watched it yet, don't listen. Although I don't think I'm going to... I still have one episode left. I have the last episode left. I already know who...

Oh, so you haven't seen them all die. Yeah, no, I already know who dies because it's been out there. So I've known the whole time. I'm apprehensive to stop it because I don't want to see them die. But also, last night or yesterday, I was on a plane. watching White Lotus. And I'm just relaxing, you know, in my seat. I have my iPad.

And it's kind of a big enough screen. And like right when Albi, like the nice sun, is getting a blowjob by the prostitute. So it's like his full bare ass on the screen getting head. The flight attendant comes to my seat. Oh, I thought you meant comes. She comes to my seat. And she was a very...

nice, kind, elderly lady. She was older. And I did not make eye contact because I was so embarrassed. When I was flying back from Texas, Calvin was sitting next to me, and I tried to watch Don't Worry, Darling. Oh, because there's sex in it? Very quickly into that movie,

there's a scene where Florence Pugh, Harry Stiles, eats her out on the kitchen table. Oh, good. Did Cal get a kick out of that? I had to turn it off pretty quickly. Yeah. I always think that too, you know? There's so many things.

Like, I didn't realize how much sex and nudity was in White Lotus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh. So out of the guys in the show, what would be your choice, right? Well, okay. Okay. Now listen. And we'll do it to you, too, Rob.

Yeah, don't worry. Wait, what was the question? Out of the guys, season two. Let's just go with season two. Out of the guys, which one would you choose? Season one. Did you watch season one? Yeah.

Yeah. The newly wet on that was sitting in front of us on the plate home from... Austin? Texas. Really? Yeah. The guy? That's random.

No, the girl. No, the girl. Yeah, yeah. Oh, she's so pretty. I like her. Oh, I love her. Out of the second season, I am so attracted to Cameron. But he's a dickhead.

No, he's an asshole. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's an asshole, but, like, geez, that he's a very attractive man. Don't you agree? I like that transcends. everything for you. It just says so much about me. He's so fucked out.

He's one of the most vile characters on the show, and you've seen it all, yet he is still one of your most attracted to. I mean, there's no, you know, working around the fact that he's very good looking. Can we put some parameters around this question? So you know the characters.

You're not, like, looking at them. It's just actors. No, no, no. You're watching the show. Like, I did this with someone else, and it was so interesting. Yours is still Cameron, knowing that Cameron is who he is. Now, what are we talking about here?

A relationship or like a romp and the sack? It's not like pursue them in real life, but like when you're watching the show, who do you find the most attractive? Yeah, I think it says I'm so fucked up because he's so attractive. Who would you guess for me, Rob? I think you probably like Aubrey's husband. Ethan? No.

He's got a beautiful body. You like Michael Imperioli? Nicole. No, no, no, no, no, I got this. I got this. She's, you're the grandpa, right? No. He's got some gym vibes.

You know who's the most attractive? The beautiful Italian at the front desk. And Lucia, Lucia. She's beautiful. No. I like the English guy. Oh, can I do that. The piano player?

Yeah. The nephew. What? No. The piano player, right? The nephew, in quotes. Oh, the awful nephew? That guy's also.

You guys picked the two worst character? on the show. Every time he smiled, I was like, hey. He's such like an awful dirtbag. Really? That's your choice, huh? I was shocked that anyone had another choice. I was like, wait, what? Hold on. You don't think Cameron is so cute? I do. He doesn't do it for me the way the other one does. That's so interesting. I thought the same thing. The guy that was the hat that just says cock on it all the time. Does he? Does he? Yeah. It checks out a little bit because he does come from addiction, his character.

He is like transcended his addiction. Yeah. I related to him. I mean, yeah, I played this game with one of our guy friends and another girl. Who did they pick? The guy picked the guy from Sopranos. Yeah. And our other friends.

picked Aubrey's husband. I forget what his name was. Ethan. Yeah, I was like, wait, what? I didn't know we were allowed to pick other people. What do you mean? Oh, because you just thought your guy was the obvious choice? That everyone's going to be like, yeah.

Not at all. No, I hate that guy. That guy's character was despicable. I hated that guy. You hated him? I don't hate him. Yeah. He's like, I like, was like, you know what I mean?

Like, after everything. Love it. But it definitely not my choice. He was supposed to be awful, though. Cameron is awful. Cameron's awful. Cameron's awful, but so is that guy. But he's hot.

The whole storyline between them was that that assistant had the perfect little boy in Alby. Yeah, Alby is so sweet. The guy that's sane and doing everything that he's supposed to, but she's not attracted to it at all.

And then you have this guy who's doing the opposite and is just this like dirt bag. Welcome to life. And that's who she finds herself attracted to. You know what I really thought was great about the show? I know everyone's talked about it a ton, but... Yeah, you're a little late.

The way they depict real situations and relationships, like, when the assistant is with Albi and he's, like, kissing her at the pool, and Olivia's dude jumps in the pool. And that immediate feeling of, like... Oh, my God, no. Like, that anxious, like, okay, no, he can't see me kissing this guy. And, like, that weird feeling. She's like, I got to get out of here.

Like, it was so realistic. Have you been in that situation often? Not often, but I'm sure I have. The other situation is with Cameron and his wife when she goes to stay the night and she doesn't tell him. And then she's like, these games they play, I'm like, oh, what a perfect example

of like a toxic relationship where they're playing games still and like that was so like, oh, this is just so realistic. You know what I mean? I thought it was done so well. I liked their relationship. I like this season better than the first. Yeah. You guys didn't ask me who I would pick.

We're getting there. Yeah. I know who you're going to pick, but go ahead. I know who you're going to pick. Who am I going to pick? Aubrey Plaza. I think originally I would have picked Aubrey. Who'd you end up? By the end of it, I like Daph. I like Daphne a lot. She's amazing. She's really good. That actress was so good.

She flies very under the radar. And she's really good. She's very aware. Her speech about her trainer. She's like, yeah, maybe you should get a trainer. Like, it's just so... She was so good. So good. I would never pick her for you, though, Rob. No, Aubrey.

Did you pick up on her... Well, yeah, Aubrey, Natalie, when we were watching it, like, nonstop, people were like, you... Are Aubrey. You are Aubrey. Yeah. I thought that watching it, I was like, this is Natalie. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So maybe that's why I'm not... That's not my obvious pick, because I have that already. You're like, if I'm going to choose something else. If I'm going to go somewhere. Daphne's beautiful. I thought she's fantastic. Everyone's so good on it.

So there's a part where Daphne and Aubrey are talking. What's Aubrey's character's name? Harper. And she's talking about why she's putting up with Cameron and she's talking about her trainer's big blue eyes. And then she shows her kids and they have the big blue eyes. I don't know if this is what it meant, but that those are the trainers kids because she's been having the affair with him.

That's an interesting take. Interesting. Because Cameron has those brown eyes. Well, and she's just letting Cameron provide for them. Right. And that's why she's staying. How would you feel? And I want to ask you both this in different scenarios.

But Rachel, how would you feel if your dude went and drank and did ecstasy and hung out with hookers but didn't touch them but just was part of the party? How would you feel about that? And you know he did nothing? Well, he's telling you. She doesn't know. I don't know. I think, like, I fully relate to Aubrey in that situation. Like, I think I probably would have done...

You would have hooked up with his friend? No. Does she actually hook up with him? Do they reveal that? We don't tell me. They don't actually reveal it, but... It's just insinuated and it's in Ethan's mind. Aubrey went on Seth Myers and was, like, Harper definitely hooked up with him.

She's just being funny, though. But that's her take on it. That's her take on it. Yeah. So, I don't know. when she finds the condom wrapper, I don't know that I wouldn't have just immediately been like, what the fuck is this?

I don't know if I could have gone all day, like, holding on to that. But it depends on the relationship. There's certain relationships I've been in where I probably would have stayed quiet and others that I would have confronted immediately. Olivia, what would you do? Would you trust your husband or would you be super pissed if Jeff was like... I would lose my ever-loving mind. I mean, the problem is there's a lot of data there suggesting that something did happen.

and then she didn't actually confront him and have a conversation about it. I think that it's up to you as a partner to not put yourself in those situations because I don't think it's not like about trusting the person. I don't trust substances. I know what they do to people. So I think that even if you took someone like Rob

and he's like a fully committed, wonderful husband, but you drop ecstasy in his drink and get him drunk, what is he capable of? Who knows? So it's his job to not do that. Well, and I think the other question is, are you leaving this partner as a result of this, or are you working through it?

I mean, it would depend on what my body was saying if I really believed that he didn't do anything. What about you, though? As a man, what if Natalie went out drinking with some friends and ended up doing ecstasy with two guys that were prostitute? It seems like a slightly different. I mean, I would believe her if she said nothing happened because she's also, she's the type that her thoughts on cheating are like, if you want to cheat, just have a pair of balls to tell your partner and break it off and go do it. Oh, okay.

Hers isn't like, I'm going to secretly do this. She's pretty flippant with how she feels about it. I think I would believe her also if she's like, yeah, nothing happened and I did this. But would you care if she did it? See, like, I would care if he just did that. I'd be like, why are you drinking and doing ecstasy with hookers? Yeah, I mean, that wouldn't be my favorite thing that she's doing. Rachel's shopping right now. I'm not shopping. I'm listening.

It wouldn't be your favorite thing. I'm literally listening. Just not. I'd have a hard time I don't know I the whole scenario is not you're gonna you're not there yet

in the show but for for their relationship Harper and Ethan those situations end up like saving their marriage Of course I can see that Like the fact that there is this

Sometimes you need a little reminder Yeah the sexy unknown thing happening And that's I mean that was the My favorite part of the show Was that dynamic shift between the relationships of both of them. I fucking live for Aubrey on this show.

Like the whole thing, like everything. Just her, I'm just like, she's everything to me. She's incredible. Incredible. And her whole, like her whole, yeah. And if I, I guess if I was in that situation, I don't think Natalie would like that. No.

That's the thing, is that, like, I would be mad that he put himself in that. Yeah. Like, Daphne turn a blind eye. There are people that do that. His character, though, was also so just like passive-aggressive and Ethan. He was not the alpha between

him and Cameron. So knowing his character and who his character is supposed to be, it makes sense that he just kind of forced and dragged into that and wasn't vocal enough or confident or strong enough to be like, no, dude, I'm not going to be part of this.

I have a question. Do you think that if someone's the alpha in their relationship that they tend to be the alpha in their friendships. Do you think it's like how you do one thing is how you do everything? Or do you think that someone could be super alpha in their relationship, but they're beta in their friendships? Or do you think it's like who you are is who you are? No, because I know, I feel like this is not friendship versus relationship, but even in relationship, you could be the alpha, but in the bedroom you could not. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, I mean, I think it's all just... To explain. It's all status-driven. Like, I think you can be the alpha in certain friendships and the beta and other friendships. Hmm. Do you think that's true? And same in a relationship or what you're saying, Rachel, depending on parts of the relationship. But do you think there's certain people?

Because there's certain people that I see that are unwaveringly one. Mm-hmm. Either alpha or beta. I think if your personality is like alpha dog, like extra alpha, it's probably going to transcend all relationships. No, because I know I can say in certain relationships I can be more alpha and others I can be less. It all depends for me. Maybe it's just a male thing then. Like I think there's certain like extra alpha men that need that in all of their relationships.

But I can also see them having like a. partner and having the wife be the alpha. Right. No, it's interesting if you think about it. But Rachel, you're more alpha. In general, you think? I think in relationships, you're beta, though, it seems. Me? It depends on the relationship.

It depends on the relationship. I think she needs to be beta. I think the problem is if she's given any space to be alpha, she'll take it. And I don't think that that's where she really thrives. I think she likes a being beta And it really gets to her head I've seen when she's Alpha and she's just like peacocking around Yeah, she just fucking flexing

Struts around She's got her walk is different You know what else I'm watching is Fleischman's In trouble Do they get? Really changing the subject I do you know what I love Adam Brody on it

He's great His name is Seth on it too His name is Seth on it And he I keep just giggling cackling away at his little brodieisms. No, but he's really good on it. How many episodes have you watched?

I think three. Same. What I downloaded to watch on the plane was triangle of sadness, but it didn't work. I want to see that. Anyone? That's good.

I've seen it. You've seen it? Yeah, I really liked it. I heard it's good. It falls in the same vein as White Lotus, the second season. Oh. So Elliot, yeah, came home yesterday,

and he said, I'm really disappointed in one of my friends, and I said, why? And he said, because she told my crush that I have a crush on her. And I was like, oh, but that is disappointing. I'm sorry. What did the girl say?

And he said, she came up to him and said, is it true that you have a crush on me? And he said, maybe a little bit. And then his friend said, I want to give you $5 to kiss her. They're in first grade. Oh, no. And he's like, I don't know what to say.

I feel really uncomfortable. And so all night long, he kept coming up to me rehearsing what he was going to say. He's like, I was going to. say, I'm too young for this. And I said, that's great. Just tell her, you feel too young for this. You're not ready for this conversation. But it brought up a great question. He's like, when is it okay to have your first kiss? And I was like, oh. I feel like a kiss at that age is very different. First grade is too young. Yeah, that's young. Do you feel like you need to really teach consent,

though at this stage, like make sure. Yeah, so I did say that because he said, I was thinking of saying that I will kiss her. Because I said, maybe seventh grade. And he goes, I was thinking of saying I will kiss her in seventh grade. And I was like, well, you want to make sure in seventh grade that she also wants to be kissed. Right. So I did work in the like, we've got to bring in this whole consent portion, right? Yeah.

Yeah. But I was like, this is so young. It is. But even like last year, like in the, right after school ended first grade for Breyer, like they were under the table and they had the magic eight ball. And they're like, you have to kiss so and so, you know. And an older brother was trying to get Breyer like in this kid. Like you got a kiss and she was so uncomfortable. So we had to be like, hey, you know, you have to make sure, first of all, that people are okay with this. and in on this, but also you're way too young to even be discussing this. You know what I mean? Yeah, their bodies aren't even online in that way. No. No. Bri was so caught off guard. She was so uncomfortable. I was like,

no, get over here. Get out of there. We've been pretty intentional with Calvin. And he's got a book about consent that he reads. Oh, that's cool. If, like... What is it? What's the book? I don't know the name of it. It just teaches consent.

Like, if grandma's boyfriend comes over and brings you a gift, you're not obligated to give him a hug or a kiss. Right. He has to ask for it. Or if they ask you to sit in their lap, like, it's up to you to decide if you want to. Or if your friend comes over and you want to give her a hug, you need to make sure that she wants a hug. It's much less of like a sexual conversation at this point and much more just respecting boundaries between like family. Right. So he, I mean, he gets what consent is, where if, like, he goes and tries to, like, hug Natalie.

She's like, I don't consent to this right now. I need you to give me some space. Wow. To teach him, or because she really isn't consenting to it? Both. I mean, she's, like, had a long day and doesn't want. He doesn't hug. He's so affectionate that, like, if we're sitting on the couch, he just wants to, like, sit on your

laugh all the time and like cuddle. He's such a little sweetheart. Yeah. He's a little lovebug. He came up to me when I saw him last and he just stood there and looked at me like, are you going to hug me? Like he just wants to hug. He's a, he's, I love him. Yeah, he's very sweet. We're trying to, we're trying to break that. Trying to break that out of him. Well, it's weird because Natalie is not as affectionate as he is. I guess he gets it for me, but I'm also not overly affectionate because she's not.

Right. It's weird how just naturally it's come to him. Yeah, I feel like it is natural for some people and then others not so much. Yeah. For sure. You know when you're so tired, like your eye twitches? I hate that. Oh, my God.

I have not three nights I haven't actually slept. I have not slept well in two nights either. Oh, why? Well, I'm sharing a room with Calvin right now. What are you doing? I didn't even know you were leaving. He just wanted to take Cal to Joshua Tree. Yeah, just took him to Joshua Tree.

So sweet. To hang out in the desert. He's all excited to see the stars at night and desert animals. Yeah. It's freezing here, though. It's like a high of 50. Yeah, it's cold, huh? It's a desert.

It's not supposed to be this cold in the desert ever. Well, no, it gets cold in the desert. Apparently. That's nice. You should take... Oh, Rob! Oh, they're closed for January. There's one restaurant you would really appreciate out there. I'm making... I'm going to make a beef stew tonight. You're cooking out there?

Mm-hmm. This never-ending Chicago winter beef stew. Oh, yum. What's the recipe from? I want to Stephanie Azard's cookbooks. Are you excited? You have a show coming out. Tuesday. They've been pushing that show very hard during, like, football playoffs. I've been seeing a lot of commercials for it. I think it did well. And yeah, my episode is on tomorrow, on the 31st. Calvin's recognized you on the TV when the commercial comes on.

That's so cute. He's like, there's that lady I don't really like. Hey, that's not nice. You know, he's very sweet to me. Yeah, I don't know. I can't watch it, I don't think, because it's very, I don't know, but. Can we all watch together? Oh, yeah, okay. Do you not like watching yourself? I mean, I don't really care either way. Like, I don't love it, you know, but I don't care. Like, I'm not.

Do you think anyone loves it? Yeah, I do. Probably, huh? I think there are some people that, like, genuinely love it. Some hardcore narcissists. Yeah, yeah, sure. Like, like fucking great. Yeah.

But don't you think most people kind of have like a slight aversion to watching themselves, hearing themselves, looking at themselves. Yeah. Little looks and sounds much different than you imagine. Yeah. Did you know that most people identify as more attractive than they actually are? Interesting. Isn't it?

This is a fact? Fact. Facts from where, though? From Jeff, so it's a real fact. A fact. It's such a non-objective thing, though. No, it was scientific. He was reading some scientific article, and he was sharing with me.

that statistically people associate themselves as more attractive than other people think they are. My problem with that is that attraction is so relative. Like, how is it even scientifically being measured that they're eight attractive on a scale, but think they're nine? Because they're actually doing focus groups. Yeah, but it's also relative and like the people that focus groups can be biased groups can be bias too. Yeah. I thought it was interesting because I'm like, I feel like most people have kind of low self-esteem.

Yeah, that's where my mind goes. That's what I thought. But even if you have a low self-esteem, the majority of people still think they're more attractive than they actually are. I think it's because they associate with an outdated version of themselves. Yeah, I just feel like people, though, also are obsessing over things that people don't even really notice. I agree.

Guys, I just remembered something I wanted to say in this post. Yeah. I really like Lauren, Conrad, and I know her. So I felt a little, I didn't know how to really play Switzerland properly because I really like Lauren. And I just wanted to put that out there because I was a little uncomfortable. I'm not going to lie. I think you handled it really well.

I don't think that you dug into anything that would put Lauren's name in a bad place and I think that you stayed no disrespect to anyone you know in this whole involved in this whole entire thing but I just wanted to you know

Right Heidi just gave her point of view Right and it was hard because there wasn't the other persons So yeah I just wanted to say that But I think most people know that Right That's what I wanted to say Did you guys buy Girl Scout cookies yet?

Oh, crap, I forgot. I'll do it. Rob. No, I haven't decided who I want to buy them from. Rob, that's not funny. I do want to ask. How many people are hitting you up? No one else is.

Now Olivia's on her phone. I was trying to find the email for the Girl Scout cookies. Yeah, can you please order some? I'm actually looking forward to her doing the booth in front of the market. I think that'll be fun. They have Smoors cookies now? Yeah, they do. What's your favorite Girl Scout cookie, guys? I only like thin mince.

Only? What? Well, and the short bread ones. Trefoils? Well, thin mince, do you like them in the freezer or do you like them just regular? I do both. Okay. I like them in the freezer. Lou, what's your favorite? Me too. I like doce-dose.

Uh-huh. Those are the peanut butter cookie sandwich ones. And then I also like the tag-alongs. I like the tag-alongs. The thin mints. Yep. And I like the Smoh's. Yeah. Fair.

Oh, and I also just like the, what is it? How do you say the short bread, the trefoils? Yeah. Yeah. I got to order some too because I want some cooking. You haven't ordered any? No, I'm going to. Look at me. I'm sitting here ordering them now. Good. Good work.

You just asked us if we had ordered yet. And you haven't ordered any? I'm going to order. I got to come swooping in at the end if we don't reach our goal and finish it out. You know what I mean? So I'm going to do the trefels, the docy doze. tag-alongs, two thins of mint, two mint. Two thinn. Two thin mints.

Flop, flop, flop. Thin mints. And one samoas. Is that enough? If it's enough for you. Let's see, so you order how many you were going to order, Olivia, and I'll order how many I was, and we'll see who's a better friend to Rachel. Based on how many, how many did you order?

I don't know. I don't even see a way to check out. I ordered 11 boxes. Well, everyone, thanks for another lovely Monday with broad ideas. Thanks, Heidi. And yeah, thank Heidi for being so open and coming on and talking to us. I don't understand how to click out of this. All right. Goodbye.

That was a hate gum podcast.