Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - It’s Not Like That with Erinn Hayes

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

Rachel and Olivia sit down with Erinn Hayes to catch up on her new show, It’s Not Like That, chat about their favorite comfort outfits and shows, and explore her approach to parenting while balancing a busy career.Watch the video of this episode here!Like the show? Rate Broad Ideas 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyAdvertise on Broad Ideas via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Thanks. We should go through those. Oh, sorry, go on to introduce. No, more importantly, we should get rid of my jeans, yes. I'm not saying get rid of them, but we should like see what's up in there. It's a treasure trove, everyone, a real treasure trove. Okay, Aaron Hayes is with us today. We're so excited to have her and her new show is called It's Not Like That. It's not like that. It's not like that.

It's kind of like that, though. It might be a little bit like that. Let's hear what she has to say about it. We're so happy to have you with us. Thank you. I'm really happy to be here, you guys. Yeah. Thanks for hopping on. Great. So we were talking before we were recording all about hair because that's what people want to hear. Oh, the people need to know. We have to tell the people. Well, it's that, like, I was saying I, you guys were both being very generous and I said that you liked my hair color. And, and I was saying like, we try to multitask, you know, that's what we're all about. We're always, I want to do, I want to be carrying 17 bags while I'm texting somebody and I'm cleaning my house. But I tried to, I tried to, I tried to the person, I realized I can't, the person I like for my haircuts, I have to go to the separate colorist, too. We can't always, people are not great at everything. and you just have to take the time.

Wait, have you tried getting your hair cut by your colorissa? Yes, but I love the way this other woman cuts right here. Yeah, I know. Oh, yeah. That's tough. Yeah, it's tough. Oh, these are the struggles. Here's the struggle.

How do you get it to stay that light without it being frizzled and fried? Do tell. Come on. I don't know. I feel like I'm trying to take pages out of my daughters because I have two daughters who are 16 and 18. And one of them was just like, I mean, you guys, she knows the things that we did not know when we were 16 years old. She is doing heatless curls.

She's like, Mom, do you do a hair gloss? And I was like, what are the word? What is a hair gloss? Do tell. Give it all to us. Right. No, we need all. You got, we need all of it.

She's like, no, no, no. You have to switch up your shampoos every once. And I'm like, what? Lila, tell me all the secrets. Is Lila there right now? Can we speak with her? She's thoroughly booked at high school. She's not tech avail, guys.

Okay. Oh, my God. Also, I don't know if it was a thing when you guys were teenagers, but like, yeah, I had, like, a perfume. Oh, yeah. Oh. Teenage girls, when they walk past you, it is like your whole body wants to follow them and live inside of their skin. They've got all the different sets. They've got ones that they spray on their hair, ones that they spray on their pillow.

I mean, it's amazing. Because you know why they have that? It's because of the internet. We didn't have the internet. No, but we did have Bath and Body Works. We sure did. Thank you very much. To smell.

Oh, I loved it. I didn't do it at Bath and Body Works, but where I grew up up in Marin County, we had the body shop. The Body Shop was the other one. Oh, yeah. But this was like a smell. small, like they probably had the name before the body shop did. And so it was oils.

And I loved a Pacaque, Jasmine. Oh, I love that. What about you guys? What was, I'm trying to think what I said. I liked prickly pear. Oh, prickly pear was good. It was good. Do you know what I was obsessed with you guys?

I don't even know if it exists anymore. It was vanilla lip smacker's perfume. Oh. I don't remember that. Yeah, back in the day, I'm telling you. This was like, I know. Kind of crazy. I do remember the like having all of them when I was like eight years old, the lipsmouth.

Yeah. Oh. And then you just ate them. Yeah. Like, mm-lm-gum-gum. No, I still have the Dr. Pepper lip smackers is my favorite tint. And they discontinued it. So I have a drawer.

Like I bought a bunch of them because they don't exist anymore. And I don't know what I'll do. That's just smart. That's just a thinker. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about the Victoria's Secret Sprays? Remember those?

I did not go there. I didn't do it. You guys. No, I didn't do it. Bath and Body Works for sure. It was like, I think I saw a meme on Instagram. It was like girls with like their Marlboro Lights and like the Raspberry Bath and Body Works like that scent in high school. That was you for sure.

Tis me. Yeah. Yeah. And we're here now today. Mothering children. Yes. That doesn't even make sense. No.

Okay, wait. Before we get into anything, can we talk about your show? for a minute. Please. Yes. Because I think we might have a lot to say about it. So, yeah. Tell us the premise and then let's chat about it.

Yeah. It is called, it's not like that. It's a family drama, myself and Scott Foley, J.R. Ramirez, and then a lot of kids. And it's like very in the vibe of like parenthood. This is us. The best. Friday night. It's like kind of.

where all the family members have storylines, and it's very, like, I loved it. I mean, I think it's a beautiful. I'm biased, obviously, but it was just such a positive experience. And our writers did such a good job. They used to write on parenthood. So they're like from that world where it's heartfelt. It's about the human condition. It's about people making mistakes and figuring things out.

And I play a, like, where. Where the show meets us is Scott plays a pastor who has lost his wife like a year prior. She was my best friend. And then like right after she passed, my husband had like a aha moment and left me. So it kind of leaves Scott's character and my character to like pick up the pieces and try to maintain normalcy for our families and for the kids and dealing with loss and divorce and grief and all of these things. So that's kind of the, that's where the show starts.

So, okay. Yeah. So we have thoughts on this. Please, please. We do have thoughts on this. And we've had a lot of thoughts on the potential best friend's spouse. Yeah. Dying and then the best friend coming in to pick up the penis.

I mean, pieces. Because like I've told Rachel if anything happens to me, she has to take my place. Sure, sure. But well, there is that aspect, right? Yes. Of like, well, who might you love more than your best friend? Who, like, who's going to keep my ghosts alive? Who's going to keep my thoughts?

And I think that our creators really handled this part of it beautifully because they do not, it gets. a little messy in the pilot. Sure. And then they have to take a step and say, oh, my God. Like, is this something? Is it not something? Is it a good, is it good if it's something? If it's bad.

Like, there's so many things to consider with this particular situation. And our show is taking the time to consider them. So I appreciate that. It's amazing. Yeah. And now in your own life, if you thought who you would like to replace you, if anything would happen, is there a friend? that you'd be gunning for in heaven?

Right? There's a, I don't know that I have. That's a good question. Because I'm like, well, I don't know. I mean, who would be, like, sure, I think like a lot of my friends, like enjoy my husband. He's nice.

He's a really good guy. I've been with him for 21 years. You know, five out of five stars on a good day. You know, whatever. We're still married and we mostly like each other, which I feel like is, is good. That's success, yes. Right. That's success.

So, but I'm like, I don't know who would be. be a good fit. But I do, but I do have that thought that, yes, absolutely you would want somebody to, after an appropriate amount of time.

Yeah, of course. You know, to move on and be really happy and not be like morning forever holding themselves back. But I don't think I've ever thought of who it would be. Do I have to, could I disrupt an different marriage

to, give her to him. That's a little tricky. It has to be someone that can do it. And also it's like, think of it this way too. You want someone that's going to keep your pictures on the wall. Yeah. And think about how maybe know how you would have mothered. Yes. And try to mother your children in that same way. We do deal with some of that in this show of like, you know, because she had, she passed from like kind of quickly. from cancer. That's the in this storyline. So there were obviously conversations and I promised to take care of her children because we had that's we had brought up our children together.

I think that's a beautiful thing to have somebody that that knows how you mothered, knows what your values were and can continue along that vein, right? Yeah. Oh, it's so morbid. It's it is. It is. It is, but it's important, too. Like, I just feel like all I see constantly on Instagram is all the different ways people die and are dying. And, like, things you don't ever even think about. And now all I think about is, like, if, you know, like, when we leave the house, you never know. So it's, like, so present.

And I do blame Instagram for it. But it's all my fault because I'm just there scrolling through it all. But we can blame Instagram for a lot of stuff and still feel okay by ourselves. I think, are your daughters on Instagram? They are, but they didn't get, we held off on all social media until they were 16. Yeah. And it was, I will say, and was it a battle? It was not a battle because we paid them.

We were like, if you stay off of all social media until you're 16, we will give you X amount of money that you can do like whatever you want with, you know? It's so smart. I'm not. It's like it all in savings, do whatever. And I think it was great because they wanted the money, so they never asked for it. I didn't have to have that conversation from like 12 for those four years when their friends were getting it. And the good thing was they watched all their friends make a lot of mistakes. You know, and then they were like, oh, people who have Snapchat are annoying and they're addicted to it.

And they feel like they have to answer right away. And, you know, TikTok is a lot of people get really good. get lost in scrolling. And I mean, when they first started, they just got Instagram. My 18 year old now, you know, has TikTok. Maybe the 16 year old does. I don't know. Um, like, they're, they're, they're good girls. So they're at the point where I don't know like the combos to their phones at this point. Right. Right. But I did in those first years. Um, but they, I mean, like, like anything, it's, you get addicted so fast. It was. like, great, we held off until 16, but now they are very, you know, they used to read all the time.

Oh, really? Yeah, but so did I. Right. Right. Totally. Totally. No, that's so true. Did you keep that reward system going? Like, no. Once they got 16, they got some cash. And then the older one got a little high on savings. So that was also another good thing. The younger one really loves the Americana. I want because I'm thinking about this. I'm like, this is such a great idea. I wonder.

And you know how the phone will give you your screen time? Oh, yeah. I wonder if they could compete and whoever gets the lowest screen time. Yeah. Well, that's smart. That's the thing. And you can put it at whatever level is comfortable for your. It's like hunger games.

You like hunger. Here's the takeaway. I think we need to hunger games or children. I love it. It's just how I parent, you know, obviously. That's solid. But this is the first I've ever heard of those kind of incentives, and I think that's really smart. I read an article that had this idea.

Because they said, because there are a lot of people that are like, well, their account is private. And you're like, okay, well, yeah, you're their account is private. Sure. But that's like dropping them in the middle of, and this is going to eat. Hunger Games. But like in the middle of the Hunger Games or in the middle of like a rave. Rave. People are still raving, by the way.

Are they? Are they really? Yeah. What? He's going to raves. Stop. That's amazing. Wow.

But like, do you, even if your child is invisible, do you want to put them in the middle of a situation where they get to see everything? Right. They're still. They're still. No. No. My friend's 14-year-old at dinner was talking about the ice thing, you know. The rivalry?

No, no, no, no. No. Oh, ice. Oh, literally. She's just ready to talk about heated rivalry. We're talking about November. Heated rivalry. I'm sorry.

No, we're talking about like Renee Good in Minnesota and all of everything that's... No, but she's 14 in talking about it. And so because she saw it on Instagram, right? And the videos that are at your disposal, you know, I just had a hard time with that. But heated rivalry is a much more exciting topic, which I have not watched yet. Have you watched it? Oh, ladies. I don't have HBO, you guys.

I realized I tried to download it, like, for a plane ride. And they're like, you need an HBO subscription. I'm like, how do I not have? I have it. Yeah, that's why I mean I'm pretty obsessed with my gay hockey boyfriends. But I will say that, like, speaking of social media, I'm kind of over my algorithm. I need to, like, start quickly scrolling past because that's what I'm. That's all I get.

It's all like that. It's all like that. And dated with your hockey players with my gay hockey boyfriends. That's what happened to me with the summer I turned pretty. And I really like kind of lost my marbles a little bit. And I was like, I am a teenager. You know, like I really felt it in my core. And then I was like, I have to change my algorithm and start focusing on really important things on TikTok.

Yeah. I left the summer I turned pretty for my children to watch. That one didn't grab. me. What? But I know. She was obsessed. I didn't watch it either. I was deeply obsessed. Yeah. I, I let them, maybe it was that the first season felt a little slow. Slow. It picks up. Slow. Get expensive. So I just, and then once teens start watching things in two days, they're done with everything. And you're like, but I thought we were doing this to get. I thought we were best friends. I thought we were hanging out. Yeah. Yeah, they binge it like so quickly.

So fast. Yeah. I know. It's insane. I don't know. I need to watch, I need to watch the hockey one, though. But I don't, this is my thing. And I've talked about this. Like, when you watch things on planes, like, I was watching hunting wives on a plane and then the attendant comes up while, like, there's a blowjob going on or whatever. And you're just like, you know, somebody's like having sex with a teenager. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. That's, no, don't watch heat a rivalry on the plane. Yeah, that's what I'm saying is like, maybe it's a blessing in disguise. And I can't watch it on my plane ride. No, people were like, did you watch that with your family? I was like, how, how dare you?

Do you think of a psycho? No, crazy. They were like out of the house. Like I was watching him like cooking dinner, being like, oh, it's scandalous. Do you watch it with your husband? No. No. No.

He doesn't like, he like wants, I don't know, he wants to watch like about history or like gangs or things like that. Oh, I love that. Yeah. And he doesn't want to watch like the pulpy kind of. pop culturey kind of stuff, which is why I've like never seen an, I mean, I've watched some on planes, all of like the real housewives and things because I have this, I was like, I don't watch TV, even when I'm about myself at home during the day, I try to do other things. So we'll watch TV like together at night. Yeah. Which has mean I have lost out on all of Bravo.

I don't watch it either. I know. It's like the one, I love reality television. Love it. Yeah. I've never seen an episode of housewives me neither all of us all of us have never i mean i've seen like a few episodes on a plane but that's interesting it's interesting to get three women together who have i know have one person that's like you gotta start with this season and then go to this cast um i always feel like i just have nothing to talk about with that i just have no idea i know i get told all the time they're like you have to see salt lake city well that's the one i watched on the plate because i'm like give it to me yeah And you can't go back because on planes it's just like the current season and they give you three episodes.

So I've watched that. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, did it hook you? The fashion is. The fashion. I mean, I probably could have watched more because I do love to watch like when people are just overdressed for every occasion. It's fun. It's fun.

You know, like they're wearing the things that you buy going like, oh, maybe one day I'll go to some crazy event and I'll get to do that. And they're always in it at dinner. Let me ask you, what do you wear on an airplane? Oh. I try to be, well, okay, there's two different answers. If I'm flying for work and they're putting, you know, thank you, Screen Actress Guild that we get to be flown business class, although I think that's kind of changing.

Then I'll like, I'll do my elevated comfortable look. Okay. If I'm paying for my own ticket, I'm back in economy and I am like full comfort. Can we hear the difference? us through it. What is elevated to full comfort? If I'm elevated, I'm wearing a comfortable, but they're like a wide leg slack, you know? And then I'm wearing like a, you know, a nice little, always a jacket because I get freezing

everywhere to go. Freezing cold, but like a sweater and a overcoat, you know? And if I'm in the back, I'm literally in just like jeans and a sweatshirt. A wide leg, but jeans. So you're super comfy as jeans? Well, but like. Right. comfy jeans.

Sure. Sure. Not like a structured, like, you know, where they're like up inside your body kind of. Even Jean is, is a step further than we. Are you full sweatsuits? Yes. I have mastered the sweatsuit, but like in a way where I feel like if I do see someone or like, you know, if I want to feel kind of cute. Yeah.

It's just what you put over it. Uh-huh. Not always. The 16-year-old is, my 16-year-old is obsessed. She's like, there's the girl in the airport you always see. She's super blonde. She's wearing like the full Eritzia sweatsuit. She's got beats around, like the rose gold beats around her neck.

She's got a Louis Vuitton bag and an overcoat. And I'm like, yeah, that is very specific. And we all know that lady, that girl. She's a clean girl. Yeah. And she's also too young to own those things, right? She's like 22 and you're like, what do your parents do? Who gave you this money?

Right. And she has no pores. None. Not a poor in sight. No. Not a poor in sight. Why is it that the girls that have no pores always dress like that? It's like this clean girl hair, like the perfect hair back bun.

And it's like you know they smell good. You know she showered before she came. She's moisturized within an inch of her. life. I like it. Yeah. I do. I appreciate it. That could never be me. It's what it is. It's aspirational. I could never be me. I am such a mess. Like always. I have my croc slip on slippers. That's what I traveled over the holidays, by the way. I had like teddy bear pants on my crock slippers. Teddy bear. Yes, like your hair. And like a fleece pull over. Like I looked like a psych like. Like I looked like a psych. Like I looked.

a little crazy. But was I comfortable? There you go. Yes, I was. And I prefer, I prefer that to the fully put together because that's like, it's just more, it's a lot of effort. It's more real and who cares. It's a lot of effort. Yeah. I don't like to be uncomfortable. When I see women that are like fully dialed and heels and high boots and I'm like, wow. Here's what I would like though. Okay. thinking about this. I was on a, I was on a gross trip. And we were like, yeah, let's go over to like Bloomingdale's or, I don't know, we were shopping somewhere. And it's this, the section of the store that I never go into. And I was thinking, I was like, I would just like to be a business lady for three months. Yeah. Three months of going to an office in my suits and my heels and like,

you know, like your coordinated outfits and you're like looking all like put together because you've got the meeting and you have a lunch and you have a thing. I don't have occasion to wear those things except I have like one section of my closet called like for audition suits. Right. Yeah. When you're pretending to be an adult. When I pretending to be the lady.

Yeah. But just three months. I don't think I'd want the pressure to do that every day. But like I want to just dip. I want to like body switch for three months into that, into that life. I love it. The part I want of that life is to have a cubicle. No. Oh, you put up all the pictures.

You don't even want a corner office. You want a cubicle. No, I just want a little cubicle. Like, it's my little area where I can put up pictures and, like, it's my little safe space. Would you have to do the work that people have to do in-cubicle? I don't want to do the work. I just put a cubicle. I'm going to set up a cubicle.

Rachel, we need these reports. We're going to need them by the end of the day. Your stack is getting pretty big. I mean, stuff that you're putting up pictures for a second. and do the work. No, I'd be so happy. I think I might just put one up in my living room. Like, you'll walk in my house

and I just have a cubicle because just sitting in it makes me feel like I am in a pocket and like so comfortable. Okay. Yeah. I know. Wait, did you guys watch that show?

What's the show? Is it all as fair? Is that what it's called? The Kim Kardashian one? I watched one episode. I didn't. I couldn't make it past one episode. But they dressed.

watching what they wore was really fun. But here's what did get me about that episode is that like they all come to Kim Kardashian's house. They're hanging out for like a half an hour, an hour. You cut to them and they're all still in their high heels. Like they don't come into the house, get on the couch, get cozy and take their shoes off. And I'm like, nope, you've never met a woman. Right.

What are these? Why are they not taking? I feel like it's like a Victoria Beckham, right? Like that is the prototype where she always looks dialed. Like I've never seen her in sweats. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe it exists somewhere. But like, can you think of her?

You think she's wearing high heels inside her house? No, I hope not. Yeah. I think she's barefoot. But is there a subgroup of women where it's just not our algorithm? We don't understand it. But they are, if they got together, the shoes stay on? There might be.

Do you think? We definitely don't hang out. I don't hang out with them. Hell no. The shoes stay on. That's so interesting. Just as like high heels. Like high heels.

It's different if you're like, you know, you're allowed to keep your shoes on. You can keep your crocs on. I feel like every time I'm shooting something and she's in high heels, which I don't do too much because I'm... You're tall. Freakishly tall. And then it makes... And then like every guy in this scene goes show. Yeah, they're like, he's like, can I get an apple box?

Yeah, right? Like this scene is not about height difference. So let's lose the shoes. I'm fighting for like, wait, wait, wait, hold on. I've been home for how long? No, I wouldn't still be in these. I would be coming in the door and putting them by then putting on my crocs. Oh, no.

Jeans come off my body the instant I get in the door. Olivia is naked. Just chilling naked at all times. Yeah. You guys both have children, right? Yes. Yeah. Did you have the thing when you were, there was a certain phase of pregnancy with both of them

when I would be like driving home from something or whatever and it would be like while I'm driving, I'm taking off my sweater, I'm taking off my bra, I'm taking off my bra. I'm taking, like, everything was so uncomfortable on my body at certain phases that I would get home and be like almost naked. Like just holding in bunch of clothes. Like my pants are unbuttoned, my bra is off. Like everything. Get it off of me.

Oh, I mean, I was just like, I think for me it was more sleeping where I was like nothing on, like don't be on my body. I get like that if I have to have to go to the bathroom. Yeah. Everything has to come off. If you have to poo? Yeah. Everything like I'll be like driving home and I'll be like my shirt needs to come off. My bra needs to be like everything needs to come off.

That doesn't happen to you. It happens with shoes for me. Yeah. Like get it off of me. Like I can't have shoes. Yeah. I take my shoes up too. Yeah. If I have shoes on, it does not work.

It all needs to come off. All of it. What if you're in public? She's in the airport and there's a pile of clothes. That's how you know. You're like, oh. We got a number two on our hands. My family's made fun of me because they're like,

uh-oh, look what's happening. Because I'm like, just starting to like. Take off your clothes. Do your voice the voice like to go off like turn the radio off the window needs to go down like it's got it's We have to concentrate you know we got to make it home so specific we got to make it you got to make it home I get so we call it our quitters so you're quitting for the day your quitters you go home and put on your quitters Oh that's a good phrase I like your quiters. Yeah put on my quitters I quit for the day it's over and you know today I'm actually in

in your quitters well I came from the gym we came from the gym which is not normal um okay how tall are you 510 that is so tall you're a model you're a super model

510 I feel like like I have a friend who's 58 who can wear heels without people commenting on it like there's a certain height of heels that if I wear every conversation is you're so tall and I don't want to that's not the conversation you want to have well your hair's pretty too so well there we go so then let's let's let's

normalize that conversation well here's what I love about you is that your face is tiny like like you look like you'd be Rachel's size oh no oh yeah right yeah because you're five five two five two

You're just a pocket person. That's why I want a cubicle. You look like Minca Kelly. I one time got sent. I had brown hair. Yeah. And I got sent like, you know, whatever my agent sent over like a couple, like, fan mail things to sign. And one was a headshot of her.

Yeah. And it was just like, thanks for being a supporter, Aaron Hayes and sent it back. I don't, I can't. Is this, this makes me laugh. Like, don't. I was like, God, I looked good in that photo shoot. Yeah. Wow.

I looked amazing. So young. I slayed. I used to get that a lot. And then, God, who was it? There was like a trio of us. Oh, I've been complimented on my work and how to make an American quilt, which I think is Maggie Grace. So there was a moment.

Oh. Interesting. I don't see that. That I, that's a thing. And I was like, thank you so much. What a fun movie. I never correct them. I'm like just, thanks.

Great. Thank you. Yeah. I can see that. I'm trying to think. Minka. I see Minka. Minka for sure.

Yeah. There is that. There's a little like Heidi Kloom, Leslie Bibb vibes too. Leslie Bibb, I think Hollywood casting people think we're the same. There's just been a number, you know, like who's the person that you might have to kill in Hollywood, you know. Your roles. Who got Leslie Bibb? There's a little rose burn, too.

I mean, you're giving a lot of... A lot of pretty. A lot of pretty. A lot of pretty. A lot of pretty. Hey, thanks, ladies. How do you feel about being pretty and funny? Hey, I don't...

I feel like being funny is... Being a pretty... Here's what I'll say. There's always someone prettier. And there's all... Like, if that is you... your quality, then good luck to you because I just feel like that breeds insecurity and there's all, like, as you're getting older than the stress and like all the things.

Yeah. I just always have liked a little bit more, I guess, like, the control you have have if you can make somebody laugh and have them see you in that way. because the other one feels so out of your control. You know, like how you look is how you look. And that's just if that's what you're being judged on purely, like, Lord help you. There's also a shelf life.

Huh? There's a shelf life. And not to say that women as they age aren't still beautiful, but it wears thin if that's all you're being judged on. And you have to have something to back it up. Like, yeah, sticking within the box that, like, people say is pretty at the moment kind of thing. Right. I weigh more value people who make me laugh and, like, getting to do, when someone says something I've done is, like, really funny.

Like, that's, like, that's, that's more my dear diary moment, you know. Is your husband funny? He is. I mean, yeah. I don't think we would have been married for 21 years if you didn't make me laugh every day. He's very funny. But he doesn't thankfully work in this industry at all. He was a superintendent.

He just builds very large homes. Oh, wow. Yeah. So it's nice. He's like very handy and very funny. And yeah, he's wonderful. That's great. So it, I mean, online, it said you grew up in the San Fernando Valley.

Is that not true? Because you said Marin. Oh, it did. They lie. They lie. No, yeah. I was born and raised in Marin, North of San Francisco. Maybe the San Francisco

Val, I don't know, but Bay Area and my husband was two. We actually went to high school together. Oh, cute. It does feel crazy. We weren't together since high school. We were not together for like all of college, but then got back together.

Yeah, right after. Wow. But yeah, we still have a lot of family up there. My family's moved out, but he has five older sisters. Holy molly. Which is insane. Little baby Jack. Wow.

And a lot of them are still up in the Bay Area. Was that intimidating? Like, dating someone with five older sisters? Yeah, but I didn't know. They laugh at me because his mom was like, like, I remember being with a friend and I was like, oh, there's Jack's house. Like, should we go stop by and say hi?

And I just knocked on the door. And his mom was like, hello? I'm like, can I'm like, hey, Jack here? And I just don't think people, like, maybe boyfriends or whatever. had done that. And then when I slowly started meeting his sisters, I mean, they're all lovely and they're very nice and I've gotten to know them obviously so well. But at first, it's like, yeah, you're, you care so much more about what a sister of a, of a partner thinks than a brother.

100%. Like men, whatever. Who cares? Right. You're like, I got this. Yeah, yeah. This is, this is, yeah. But like, yeah, like that, like, it was. it was stressful, but they're all lovely. That's really cool. That's a lot of sisters, though. Yeah, I wouldn't want that many sisters myself. Well, they're very good Irish Catholic people. Do you have sisters?

I have a younger sister, yes, who's out here in Los Angeles. She's a costume designer. And then an older brother who lives in Toronto. Oh, really? In construction. Yeah, he moved there with a company and then met a Canadian. and got married and lives in Toronto. Wow.

Like in like the actual Toronto? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so how did you end up from Marin in this world? Like what sparked your interest to begin with? I was a theater kid. Yeah.

Loved that always in length of school productions. They went to University of Colorado and got a BFA in performance there. And then I actually moved back to San Francisco because, you know, if you're from the Bay Area, you're supposed to hate Los Angeles. That's what they say. Even if you've never been here. It's just like, oh, Los Angeles. Everybody's so fake. And everything is, you know.

And so I moved back to San Francisco because it had more integrity to you guys. Of course you did. You're a real one. I'm so real. And I was miserable. And I was coming down here all the time because Jack was living down here. and was like, wait a second. Like, this was a film.

This is lovely. It's kind of pretty out. Yeah. Like, it's nice. The weather's nice. All the friends are nice. Everybody. And then there's that thing, too, about Los Angeles where, you know, everybody who has a

very passionate dream and they can't think of doing anything else with their lives, they're here. Yeah. So there's this community of, like, dreamers and people who want to make things and are passionate. And that's really special. That's a special thing. about Los Angeles and you could find them and be friends with them and collaborate. So I moved down here after eight months. And yeah, it was that's came down here. It was like, ah, this is where I'm supposed to be. Why was he here? He thought he wanted to work in the movie industry and he had some

friends, like some of our friend group is still people, like guys I went to high school with. Oh, I love that. They were like his best friends from growing up. People. I always, I always, also, you know. And so he worked at, he tried everything in the entertainment industry. He was like, he was a agent's assistant, literary agent's assistant. And then he worked at Warner Brothers as like one of the vice president's assistant. And then he worked for a writer-director doing that. And he was like trying to figure out where he sought in. And then there's just different types of people. Some people are very satisfied with creating something, the idea. of something and waiting a long time and seeing it.

And right before we got married, he was like, I don't think I want to do this anymore. Like some of the executives that I was working up towards being, it's like they're not that they're just unhappy. It's that the fucking miserable. Yeah. Like that at the time. I mean, I'm sure they're. At the time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like, I don't, they yell at each other. People scream. Like, I can't. I don't want to be in this world. So his friend had a job. Oh, I was doing improv. with some people that I knew.

And the husband of one of them was like, you should meet at my company. Because like this is what he did. Like he's a superintendent in construction. And Jack went and met with them. And he's still with that company. Wow. Wow.

Yeah, he was like, like he needed to physically build things and like touch them. I love that. That's so cool. And then I was like, oh, you're like a puppy. You need to be outside. You can't just be living in this world of dreams and ideas and conversations that go somewhere or don't. You need to be like, let's make that opening six inches wider. And then it is and you're satisfied.

He wants, he needs the results, right? Yeah. Yeah. And there is a toxicity. I think that certain people have like an appetite for that they're like, okay, well, I can see the big picture enough to deal with the toxicity. And then there's others that go, what in the actual F is going on here?

Right? And it's interesting what kind of, you know, person you are. You don't know until you try all these different things. Yeah. I was so glad that he did get out of it because he probably could have.

He was good. He had good ideas. And he's like, one of those people that gets along with everybody. It's kind of annoying. like everybody, like he built a house for this one, uh, very famous person who,

things happen in construction, you know, and homeowners are very frustrated and like, what do you mean? It's going to take, this is going to add three months. Like, and they're so frustrated.

And then he'd be like, you want to go get dinner? Oh. He was like, I can't be mad at you, man. Or like another, you know, he was getting like shoes from something. Like, everybody just had the way that,

like, could have stayed in there, but he didn't, he wasn't happy. And so I'm really proud of him that he changed and did that. It's a good lesson. I have a question for you guys, because this came up recently in a conversation. And I was curious if other people, one, ever truly feel content in what they're doing. Or is that a goal? Do you want to feel content? Or is it something that lights you up to always kind of be after something next? So I'm curious your thoughts on that. I do believe that you can find contentment.

But I don't think it's, I think it's momentary or it's like day by day, you know? Like I'm so content when I, like, I will say this last summer was like a dream job. We were in Atlanta. We were filming from the UPS. like the person who hires all the crew, all the, you know, for anybody at home that might know that, you know, production manager. He was just the most lovely person. And then everybody down.

So the whole crew was so happy to be there, especially in this entertainment industry apocalypse we're living through. The scripts were good. The showrunners were nice. My cast is lovely. So I was content going to that job every day. It was like, oh, here's where I'm supposed to be. I love making jokes with the craft service person. I love collaborating with the hair and makeup and the costume and when something's just a little off in the script and you're asking for another beat or something.

And they're like, yes, of course. What do you like, how would you like to say it? Or yeah, let's take, yeah, you don't want to say that line. Let's not say that line. That kind of environment. Was every day a dream? No. But I did find a lot.

I do think it's attainable. Yes. I do. I like to take note of it when I'm contented to be like, what is it about this job so that then we can probably hopefully learn and bring it to the next job. But I don't believe people that are like, I love my job.

I love every minute of it. Or like my life every minute. It's just what a dream. Yeah. Yeah. What about being away from your kids? That part's hard. Yeah.

But I will say I got lucky. Maybe it was the. moment in Hollywood where when my kids were young, young, I wasn't being present, I mean, I wasn't open to it, but I also wasn't being presented with a lot of jobs out of town. Now I'm presenting with a lot more jobs out of town because everything is moving out of town. Yeah. It was hard. It was my daughter's last summer home before going to college. So it was good and bad. Like I don't think I got to probably over

sentimentalize. Is that a word? I like it. Sure, let's go with it. Like every day. Like I wasn't in her room crying while she was packing. Right. I was in Atlanta. But she did come visit me for a week and I flew home when I could. You know, you do

what you can. But they're a little older now. So like I got, like we flew each person out individually. Like my 16 year old came for a week, the 18 year old came for a week. My husband came for a week. So I got like one-on-one time with everybody that was nice. And I think that's what the benefits of a little bit of age. But when I was, when they were younger, I just didn't, I didn't take jobs out of town. Yeah. I want to do it. Yeah. We've never like had a nanny. We never had a nanny or anything. Like I do remember the one job I had out of town when the kids were really young.

And my husband, it was like 10, I think it was like 10 days. And that was the longest I'd ever did when they were young. It was in New York. And I can't, have any of the time of my life. I'm like, God, what was that show? Royal Pains. Remember Royal Paints? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's a guest star on that. And I came home and it was almost like the whole, have you ever had this where you're out of town and then you come home and your husband has been like holding down the 40. He was taking care of the kids. He has a full-time job.

We had, they were at the daycare. He was home. But the house. Oh, you know, was like, oh, I've never seen F you in person, like, encapsulated in such a physical form. Yes. Bombs had gone off. But the kids were live. Everyone was happy.

And I was like, mm-hmm. Oh, it's just great. I'm just going to, I'll just do all these dishes. I'll just going to put this room to get, like, it was insane. Yeah. You can relate. I'm sure, Olivia. I mean, my house is always, like, bombs went off.

and that's just me. But I don't like bombs off. No, she, you don't. How old are? I have a, I have a almost seven and a 10 year old boy. So I have two boys. Two boys. Chaos.

I have an 11 year old girl. Just one. Yeah. Yeah. My house is like that every day. If I'm gone for an hour, I come home and go, did you guys like have a peeing competition on the walls? Like, you know, like what? Why pee on the walls?

There's a toilet. They are just feral. Boys are... Boys are rowdy. They're rowdy. They're rowdy. I mean, not all boys, but, but for the most part. I had one friend who had a girl first and then the second boy, and they literally

bought the second child in to be tested because there's like, there's something, he said there's something. And the doctor goes, honey, you just, it's a boy. Oh, they're like, he won't like, listen to me. That's hilarious. I think there's maybe like, maybe on the spectrum. That is so, oh my gosh. Yeah.

But they say like boys are crazy, whatever, but then once like girls puberty, teenage, then girls are harder, would you agree with that? I mean, I don't know because I never had. A boy, but, yeah. A boy, but was it challenging? Like middle school, maybe was a little tough for,

well, one of them was in full COVID during all in middle school. And then the other one had some friend stuff. But they were never, they never pushed us away, we're never like jerks to us. That's what I'll say. The time was harder for them than it might have been for boys. But I think we just like forced the closeness.

We're like, no, no, no, no, you don't get to just be like, I'm fine. Like, I'm going to sit here on this bed until you tell me what's going on. Or like, no, no, no, no. You still have to hold my hand. Like, I don't, that's a bunch of BS. Yeah. you're going to snuggle with me on this couch. Yeah.

So I don't, we didn't, we didn't have like the typical, like slamming doors. You know, I hate you. Like, that would have been. Oof. People would have been in trouble. Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys subscribe to the thing?

I'll ask you this question. Like, that parent. And we certainly do, like, I do think my husband and I do think that kids should be a little, you should be a little scared of your parents. Yeah. Yeah. There has to be mine art. That are like full gentle parenting.

I don't know. Oh, no. Not my vibe. Like getting out of the house in the morning alone to school, like there's gentle parenting is out the window. Like it's just, you know. I do need if I go like, if there's a certain tone of voice, like I'm sorry, are you kidding me?

Yeah. Like they need to know. Like when they were little, I'd be like, I look at my face. Yeah. I need you to know that I'm serious. Right. Well, I also think it's good for them regardless of boundaries. So no matter how hard I do that and how scary I try and be, my kids don't buy into it, which sucks.

They don't. Because I'm like, I am serious. And they're like, okay. You know, but I also think it's good for them because their brains are supposed to buck the system. They're not supposed to be compliant all the time. So if we're going with their flow and gentle parenting all the time, they're not doing what they're supposed to do, which is to push back and figure out who they are. And so if we give them nothing to push back on, they're not able to like fully explore who they are. Yeah.

There was something that I read in, and I'm going to mess up which book it was, one of these parenting books that stuck with me so much because by the girls would say things. would like it hurt my husband's feelings and then he would get like really offended and like get a little bit hurt and mad and not want to engage and and this thing that I read that I don't know if you guys have heard is like you you're it's like a big pool you know and you want your kids swimming in the deep end on their own fully engaged and we are like the pool coping you know where the edges and sometimes to get to the deep end you have to push hard yeah but you still have to be that safe space. No matter how hard they push, you still have to be that safe space for when they feel like they need a rest to come in and relax. And that was really like, okay, okay. So when she's

being a jerk, when they're being a jerk, when they say something that is a little hurtful, like you got to take a breath and still be that safe space. Right. That was like the hardest one. I like that analogy, though. I love that in the pool. Yeah. And it is not good. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. And it is. You're being asked to do both at the same time. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. You have to like go back in and be like, hey, what you said was really hurtful and I hurt my feelings. But I love you. And let's, I'm going to sit here and we're going to talk about this. Yeah. There's so much.

Especially true in the teenage years. Right. There's so much talking now in communication. And I do think it's great because all of the things you read and the support or whatever and it's talking about their feelings and really communicate. communicating and I mean, I had that because my mom was kind of unique growing up and maybe, you know, you have the same experience or whatever. But it's just so cool for me to experience with my daughter, like her just actually communicating and coming to me with everything and just talking it out. But the funniest part is like if I'm ever like a little impatient, she's like, stop yelling at me. And I'm like not raising my voice at all. And I'm like, if you knew what yelling was. Like, do you have no clue? And don't tell people like, my mom yells at me because you actually don't know what that's like.

Yeah. You know? And how lucky she is that she doesn't. I know. I know. I know. But it's just, you know. I remember this book in my house as a kid that was like some parenting book.

I have to ask my mom, but it's about like no spanking and no, you know, because it was kind of the transition out of like old school mentality. Yeah. When we were kids that our parents were moving away from like Dr. Spock and like all of these. Right, right. Or like children should be, you know, seen and not heard mentality that our parents were raised in. Right. So crazy. I mean, my mother-in-law was lit.

She one time was like, oh, I asked her. I said, oh, it was when we were talking about when the kids were younger and I would go stay over there a lot because my husband and my husband and my husband's. My mom has. We always stayed at my husband's house. But I was like, oh, well, you know, I'm just trying to think about how I was parenting and how the things I want to take from that and the things I want to leave behind. And she laughed at me, you know, because my husband's the youngest of the six. She was like, oh, your generation. Like, we never thought about it at all.

We just parented. We just did it. And there was no conversation. Like, I don't even think you were like really talking with your friends the way we talk to each other about like, she's going through this thing and I don't know what to do. and how could I have a supporter? They didn't do that. They just raised their kids. Right.

With whatever programming they had been raised with. Right. Yeah. That's just what you did. But again, I think we have so much information now that they didn't have. No, they weren't being, you know, they weren't on TikTok, okay? They didn't have TikTok and Instagram telling them how to parent. Yeah.

They are now. And honestly, it's a problem. Here's what they've got. They've got all their notifications on. I love it. Like literally there's not a notification that like our parents don't like every Facebook, every whatever if they're on Instagram. Like how do you live your life like that stuff?

Seriously. I know. My mom will call me and be like, did you see that comment? No. Oh my God. No, but I'd love to see it. What is it? You know?

And I think she thinks I could. see all comments. Sure. Right? It's not even on my post. Sure. Yeah. Comment on a post, you're a tagged on.

Yeah, exactly. I'm like, that's great. I have no idea. Thank God my mom hasn't tried to go there because let me tell you. Oh, she's not on. She's not on social media, is she? No. No, she could not figure it out for the life of her.

Oh, my husband isn't. My husband is not. He's never, never had a social media account. That's awesome. This is the, he's the guy that's actually still reading all the time in our Same with mine. He's, my husband has one, but he's never done anything for it. He has to have it for work.

But I have done it for him and people would write him like, wow, Jeff, you're really showing up on Instagram. I'm like, and then I have my friends texting me like, did you take over Jeff's Instagram? I'm like, yeah. That was a big takeover. This is what we do. We do as mothers, we do as wives.

We take care of everything. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It was interesting. That was one part of like with this, the show that's coming out of when I realized it was like, oh, this character is written so well because it's such a female experience. Like she's trying to manage everybody's experience, even her ex-husband.

She's like trying to help her best friend through the loss of his wife. She's trying to help her ex-husband have a better divorce and the kids and all of it. And it is something I feel like so many women can relate to because that's what. what we're always trying to do, right? Always. Everything okay for everyone else. Always. Constantly.

So when is the show out? January 25th. I don't know what your lead time is on this, but it's, so the Wonder Project is like a new platform that you access, one of those ones through Prime video. On January 25th, the first episode will be available to everyone to watch on Prime, and two episodes that day will be on the Wonder Project. Then it'll be a weekly drop on Wonder Project after that. It's a streaming service. It's 899 a month. My 16-year-old spends more than that on her oat milk on one coffee. Yeah, exactly. So it's that. It'll be weekly. And then at some point,

hope to hear soon, they'll all be on Amazon Prime. Yeah. That's so exciting. I know. We're so excited for it. So excited for you. Thank you for talking to us. And we can't wait. You're awesome. Thank you. This was so much fun. So fun. Can't wait. And Parenthood was my favorite show. Oh, she does. She loves it. I had a moment with this at a certain point because everything, once we wrapped, everything that I watched on TV was like, apocalypse, zombies, international intrigue. And I was like, does enough happen on our show? Yes. And then I was like, But you know what? Stop.

I actually don't know anybody who's fought a zombie in real life. I know. No, people are craving this. Like, they need more. Right. Yeah. We all know people that have gone through loss, divorce. Their kids not being friends anymore.

Yeah. Like all of that kind of stuff. So I'm really excited. There's a lack of it on TV right now. Yeah. Still that gap. Good timing. Yeah.

All right. I'm going to rush out and go get my daughter from school. And I'm going to rush out. Thank you so much. Bye. Hello again, everyone. Thank you for tuning into our interview. The post-chat show.

Are we soulmates? Why? Are you wearing this hat? Your shirt? Whoa. Stop it right now. Matching fits. And I have not pulled it out in a very long time.

I had to go up into the closet and get it. I haven't worn this hat in two years. Hey, I'm here for you. Olivia has the sweatshirt on and I have the hat with the same saying. That's weird. Hey, I'm here for you. I'm here for you. I really appreciate that.

We need to get you one, Kevin. I pulled on a hat that says, leave me alone. Oh. I'm like, but we're here for you. But we're here for you. Oh, my gosh. Oh, man. How's everyone doing?

Good. I'm on the other side of the flu, so I feel much better. Thank God. Oh, thank God. Yeah. What's up with you, Lou? I did a bad thing this morning and went down like a hole of news, you know?

Oh, my God. Sure. Don't do that. Ice stuff. And then it just gets really sick to my stomach. So you can't do that. Really bad. Yeah, that's not a good look for the morning, Sunday morning.

Like, I can't even look. It's just so depressing. Yeah. On more depressing news, my grandfather died. I'm sorry. When you say your grandpa died. Well,

because, like, if you don't have humor, how do you get through anything? You have to. You have to. And you know, what made me, like, really bummed? Lucille Ball is my everything, obviously. Like, Brian and I are traditionally

watch I Love Lucy all the time. And my grandpa worked with her. He was directed her last sitcom she ever did. And I don't, I never talked to him about it. Those are the things that really get me. Like the conversations you don't have and you're like, holy shit, how could I not have asked him what it was like to work with her?

But thankfully, my aunt told me, you know, asked him if she was a real ballbuster like everyone said. And he said, not to me because I was always prepared. Nice. Hey, that's a good note. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

But did you forget? like you knew it and like forgot it was out of your mind or yeah because you don't think to like you know and like when you're a kid those aren't the questions I'm going to have and as I've gotten to be an adult you know we're busy you don't really spend as much time with your grandparents and so you know you just didn't think to have the conversation yeah I did see that because they put out an article and it was saying that and I was like we've never talked about it like I know your grandpa directed, but I didn't know he directed Lucille Ball.

He directed so many classics. Yeah, but that's like super iconic. All of it is, really. Brainy Von, get smart. He was like an A.D. on the Andy Griffith show before he became like a director, first A.D. Like, it's just like as I'm reading it, it's like I'm appreciating it. You know? Totally.

It's like I always knew it as a kid, but like you don't really. And I'm like, oh, wow, reflecting on it. It's pretty cool. That's why I think that they should do that kind of thing before you, die. Like, you should get to see your obituary in the people celebrating you and like what they have to say about you and all of that. Like, let's let's let's let's like, uh, what's I just had the word and I lost it. Fuck. Let's, um, normalize. Yes, normalize. Yes. Thank you. Right. Because you're like, you know, there's so many of those like exercises of like, okay, when you boil down to like what matters in

life. Like, what would you want people to say about you on your... Obituary? Remember you for. And that's so important to him, you know, and other people would be something else. But, like, we should make a book. Hold on. We should do interviews and everyone should give their living obituaries and we publish it. Like...

I love that. Right? That's cool. An obituary coffee book, but like... Maybe we should do that at the end of our interviews. Like, what would your obituary be? Or what do you want your obituary to be now as you are? I love that.

Right? Yeah, 100%. And I feel like we kind of, especially if you live a life on purpose like that and you have so many, whether it's internal or external accomplishments, right? You deserve to hear it. I love it. I think a lot about when Leah's grandmother was sick and she was dying, Leah's sister was responsible for. writing the eulogy. And her grandma was like,

I want you to do it in front of me. She was like, Grandma, you're still here though. Like, that's kind of, and she was like, if it's bad, I'm going to be upset. So come to the hospital, bring it and do it for me. And so she read it. And she had like notes. She was like, lose the second paragraph.

That's boring. Move the bottom part up because that part's really funny. And I like that. And so she like rewrote it like, while she was still alive. I love that. That is amazing. See?

Yeah. That's what, yeah. Are you're speaking at the funeral? Oh, no. No. No. I'm a Paul there. Mm-hmm.

Okay. I'm not speaking. I think my dad, my dad also comes from the business and was a director and everything. And he made a video for the funeral. And he said, wait till you see the last six minutes. And we all went.

How long? How long is this video? Oh, yeah, the last six minutes. I didn't even talk to me. I was just like, what's in the last six minutes? I know. But we were all like, wait, just the last six minutes, how long have a video? It's like his masterpiece to his dad.

So anyway, that's beautiful. That's today. It's going to be, you know, it'll be something. Yeah. But anyways, guys. Where is he being? Okay. So can we talk about?

this for a second. My great-grandparents were like, we're going to be buried at the Jewish cemetery by LAX. Grandpa, do you really need to like keep the plot next to my great-grandparents at LAX? Why don't you go buried next to your brother at Forest Lawn? Much more convenient. Beautiful. Actually, beautiful, too. Beautiful. Yeah. Actually, we were there recently because his younger brother passed away a few months ago, my great uncle. And now, but anyway, Forest Lawn was much more convenient. Listen, when you die, people.

You got to think about those things. You got to think about those things. No, so it's that Jewish cemetery by L.A.X. So that's where I will be going. And I just came from L.A.X. Buried or cremated? Buried. Buried.

Do you guys know what you want? You know, have you seen those things where people turn into trees? Excuse me? Like, you're buried in a pod and a nature pod and you go back to the earth, basically. Oh, yeah. I actually, sadly, I think that's my dad. They did that then? They did the tree.

Back then, because I feel like, I thought it was like kind of more of like a newer. Mm-mm. I like that. I don't know. What do you want to do, you guys? Well, as you know, I'm a huge fan of a cemetery. You love cemeteries. Bucking.

She's obsessed. Really? Yeah. That's quite. I definitely, I think I want to be buried because I'm like, what if there's still like nerves that are, I don't know. I don't love being burned. I think cemeteries are the most beautiful places ever. What about you, Kevin?

Well, I was going to say cremated, but you're kind of selling me on buried. You're sewing me on buried. Yeah. I mean, the idea of being in like a confined box isn't like super appealing, but like you're dead. So maybe it's fine. Yeah. I do. I don't know.

There's a lot of atmosphere there too. So like if you are in a confined box, like you're with fellows. Yeah. You're not alone. Yeah. Like alone in a burning oven doesn't really appeal to me. I was going to. No more jokes about your grandfather dying.

I wasn't going to make a joke about it. How old was he? He was 97. He had a very beautiful, beautiful life. Yes. Yeah. So we're grateful for that. Do you think that he ever saw it coming with you?

Like, did he ever talk to you about that, like, acting and all of that kind of stuff? That was more my dad. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, he was very, so this is the kind of a funny thing. He passed away. and like the next day I had to fly for a job. And I thought, you know, the one place I could be to make him proud

that what would make him happiest is if I was on a set. Yeah. And so if I missed his funeral because I was on set, it would be like the one. The one thing. The one thing. So, but they waited, you know, traditionally in a Jewish, you know, in Jewish tradition, you are buried sooner and have a, you know, but, um, They waited till this weekend, but I will say, guys, and I know this is, this will be after the fact.

People are listening, you know, after, but it's scheduled during the Rams Seahawks game. Oh, no. And that's near L-A-X, too. The Super Bowl decider. Oh, yeah, yeah. And my dad is a huge, my whole life Rams, and, like, I love this stuff, too. But anyways, it's literally scheduled during the game, which I thought was kind of funny. That's amazing.

He's going to be wearing his earpots? No, he said. he gave strict instructions. Nobody's allowed to talk about anything, and he's going to watch it after. No spoilers. But I'm like, good luck, bud. Yeah, that's tough.

I know. I'm so curious what's going to happen. I mean, it'd be so fun if the Rams go to the Super Bowl. That'd be really cool. Sorry, about the Bears. Sorry. I know. It was a crazy game.

That was a crazy game. Yeah, it was really fun. It was a fun game. It was wild. It was really fun. I got into football this year. because it's a good baby activity of just like, we're going to hang out just around the TV and then play and then watch a little bit of the game and hang out and stuff. It was a nice Sunday routine with him.

And it was during a crazy bear season. So it was a lot of fun. Crazy bear season. I was thinking about what you were saying about those like questions you wished, you asked. Because I had a similar thing of my grandma died two years ago. She was 95, died 10 days after her birthday, her 95th birthday. And the thing that I always wish I asked is my grandpa was from Chicago. She was from Ohio, and he drove to Toledo for a first date with my grandma's sister.

But my grandma answered the door. And my grandpa was like, hi, nice to meet you. My name's Sal. And like they totally hit it off. And she was like, well, nice to meet you too. Well, let me grab my sister. I'll be right back. And he was like, excuse me?

And they did. And she, my grandma's sister was like not interested in him. And then he like came back the next day and was like, do you want to walk around the church? And she was like, no. And my grandma was like, I would. And the rest is history. That's so cute. I know.

But I'm always like mad. I never like asked her. Like, can you tell me more about that? Like that whole thing is super interesting to me. That's really sweet. I love that. What a meet cute. Yeah.

Yeah. And the fact that the other sister was cool about it is great. Yeah. That she was like, we have no chemistry. That's really funny. And the year was like 1930 or like 40s. Like this was like. Wow.

Yeah. 80 years ago. Wow. That's wild. My aunt dated my uncle's best friend first. Hold on. Hold on.

My aunt, Carol, you know, dated Uncle Forrest's best friend before Uncle Forrest. And she did. And then his best friend decided to go and to become a priest or whatever. So then she dated Uncle Forrest. But then he came out of it and then got married. And all four of them were best friends our whole life. Wow. Cute, right?

That's really cool. I know. So cute. I mean, my mom. Um, never mind. No. We don't have enough time to go over your mom's history. Scratch that.

We need to dedicate a whole episode to Patricia. We need to have those like. Oh, yeah, the linked of like all the people. Here's where it went. I'm just going to throw out that Frank Sinatra would be in those photographs. Wow. True. Very cool.

That's awesome. All right. All right, guys. Well, this has been a great convocacion. Yeah. Yeah. Love you so much. I'm sorry.

Hey, everyone, ask the questions. Talk to the people you love because you never know. Yep. You know, that brings up really quick ending. They have those things where there's like, I got targeted one of those where it was like, ask your mom or ask your dad. And like you can do like video compilations of all the questions you would want to know. They do.

And we're sponsored by Yeah, really. It's going to make me cry. It's really, I know. Yeah. Don't wear eye makeup, lady. I know, but I need, how am I going to? I don't have waterproof mascara.

Oh, well, we'll figure it out. Thank you. Thank you all for your time. Love you. Bye. Bye. That was a hit gum podcast.