Broad Ideas with Rachel Bilson & Olivia Allen - Jaime Ray Newman on The Hunting Wives

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

Rachel and Olivia chat with Jaime Ray Newman about life on The Hunting Wives set, navigating big parenting moments, and the value of a steady routine.Watch this episode on YouTube!Like the show? Rate Broad Ideas 5-Stars on Apple Podcasts and SpotifyThis is a Headgum podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok. Advertise on Hollywood Handbook via Gumball.fm See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I do. Jamie Ray Newman does. Sure, she does. She's got some actual broad ideas. Not saying anything. No spoiler alerts. No, no. We've already been spoiled, hunting wives.

Did you watch? of the show to no spoilers. Did you watch the show? I haven't seen it yet. Okay. But I'm excited to check it out. I've heard really good things. All right.

Let's check out our episode. Also heard really good things. We're so happy to have you. Thanks for coming on. I'm so happy to be here. I'm very happy to be here. We had your good friend Katie on those two weeks ago. We're obsessed with her.

Obsessed. I have another mutual friend because I told her who we were interviewing today. She's like, that's my friend. I used to live with her. Beth Schwartz. Oh, my God. I mean, Beth is like, you know, I went to, I went to, I went to Hebrew school. Beth's mother was my teacher. Oh, my God. But it was like little Beth. Yeah. And then we were roommates. And then she bought the condo that I was, I sold her my condo. So I could, you know, when I was having kids. Oh, really? So I have, so I've known that whole family since I was like in, you know, kindergarten. That's amazing.

Wow. I love her so. She's the best. Very small world. Very small world. Very small. Yeah. And also Katie.

And also Katie. And Katie. Everybody knows Katie. Katie is, Katie and her husband, Adam Shapiro are like the mayors of our town. You know, they're the town mayor. They really are. Everyone that is like, oh, we love Katie. And then he's taken over the world with his pretzels.

I love. They are two of my favorite human. being on planned with. And Katie is really, Katie, I've also known, not as long as best shorts, but I've known Katie for 20 years. And we have a, you know, a long, a long story of history. So, yes, she is my sister. That's so fun. And then you guys got to work together on this little show. Did she tell you this story? Did she tell you the story? Yeah. But let's hear your side. Let's hear your side. She might have been making it up. Yeah. We'll see if it all tracked. I know Katie what did you tell them um so katie and i were working out with the same uh trainer

during the during the strike and like keeping her sanity during the actors and writer strike and our first our first audition back my first audition was for hunting wives and uh we both show up to our training session in like full hair and makeup like the you know giant sprayed you know full glam and but not like LA glam like Texas glam right yeah yeah and I look at her and I was like you audition for hunting wives and she was like yeah did you too I was like yeah and a couple weeks later you know I hear they want to meet with you on it and they want you know to like read again and then after that they want to you know meet with you again anyway I got the job and I go to my next training session with Katie feeling a little awkward you know what I mean yeah like I'm usually

the one on the receiving end of like someone else got something that I auditioned for. So, you know, it's just I want to be very sensitive to it. And listen, if anyone just gets a job in this town, it's such a miracle, right? So I'm happy for any of my friends who get anything. And I just came in and I was like, listen, I have some very weird news for you. Remember that giant hair, you know, makeup? I got the job. And she goes, no way.

They offered me Jill. Yeah. I still get goosebumps when I tell the story. Oh, my God. I go goosebumps. that embarked us, that launched us into six months of, you know, 45 flights back and forth to Charlotte, North Carolina. Because I didn't say, our kids go to school together. Oh, they do.

Our kids go to the same school. So she and I would like land at 3 a.m. and then have to do like school drop off at 7 o'clock in the morning and see each other in the schooly the fuck are we doing. We're the luckiest people on earth and also this. is insane. Yeah. Yeah, but that's what it is, right? You're a mom and an actor, so. So you still have to do school drop-offs. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's, you know, the funniest thing, and I'm sure Katie said this, but is on the first day of school, our principal walked up to both of us and was like, I saw your show mom, because he doesn't know anyone's name. He has 8,000 moms, you know, he's like, hey, mom, I saw your show.

Oh, boy. You're like, uh-oh. Oh, my God. Wait, that is. I've got. I've got. question. I was like, did you see the whole thing? Right. I saw the whole thing. Oh, my God. That is crazy because I've talked about like sitting at a premiere with a sex scene with my grandfather, right, sitting next to me, which is super awkward. How do you do that? Rachel, what do you do that? Well, granted, I was like 23 maybe at the time. So maybe it's just a little more like, oh, whatever. But for a school, like, principal or someone in that position to have, watched your show, which is like... Totally different.

Totally different. What's worse so? What's worse so? Like grandma, grandpa or the school principal? I think school principal hands down. School principal. Period. End.

I would like die. For some reason, like that in my mind, I'm just like, oh my God. Like you've either, you know, you know what I sound like when I'm... True. I'm picturing my school principal right now, my kids. And I'm like, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, yeah, my daughter's, like, head of school is a female, so I feel a little less.

But still, but still, it's also parents and anyone at school. So it's like this interesting thing, right? Because you've made this project, this artful project and everything. And then you show up and all these people, like the world has seen it. Right. And it's just like. Well, listen, when we were making it, we thought that nobody, we thought that not nobody. We thought a very small percentage of people would see it.

You know, stars. I love a lot of their shows, but they don't have obviously the reach that Netflix. Like, I think if we would have made this initially for Netflix, I don't know if we would have done anything differently, but I just think there would have been a different awareness. You know, we were really in a bubble thinking like, oh, it'd be great if 10 people see this, you know. Yeah. But that'd be fabulous.

No, I think Katie said the same thing, that you guys kind of had that feeling and then Netflix drops it and now everything, you know, like, Mullen and Brittany. It's winning the lottery. But then there's, you know, the ripple effect of like, oh, wow. Now they have to, now they're seeing the show, which is, you know, it's, it is its own thing. I can't imagine, because I get that even doing this podcast when people are like, I listen to your podcast. I'm like, no, not you. You know what I mean? Like, because we say things that are kind of out of control sometimes. And I'll feel a little bit like, no, I'm just a. mom on the baseball team, like, don't listen to that show, you know. But, okay, question for you on that.

Had you read the whole thing before you signed on or did you get surprised as we did with some of your parts in the show? So when I, when I auditioned, I only read the first episode. And you could feel, you know, like Rebecca Cutter's writing is very saucy, very spiky. Very spiky. And so you could, you could feel very funny. So I was like, okay, what's going on here? And then when I, when they offer me the job, I, before we signed anything, I had, they had all eight episodes, which you know, Rachel, that's a miracle. That never happens that you like have the full thing.

And they were like, there's a scene that you do need to sign off on. Like you got to put your, because this is just what it is. Right. And you need to be comfortable. with it. And it's, you know, and I'm a producer as well. Like, I understand when, when you have a story you want to tell, your actor needs to be game because that's the story. And if the actor's not game, we'll find somebody else that is game and it's totally fine, you know? Right. Yeah. No pressure to do it. Like, you can't pressure someone to do it when they're on set. Like,

you have to fully know what you've signed up for. Exactly. So, so I read all eight in one sitting. I sort of gulped it all. And I, I was like, fuck yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's great. This is the juiciest, yummiest, like, sign me up.

And, you know. So I knew what I was getting myself into fully. I knew, I knew, you know, Katie and I knew what we were getting ourselves into with the fine, you know, what happens between me and her in the end. I don't know if I can give spoilers on this. Well, she ruined a lot of things. I hadn't finished the series yet. And I was like, Katie, I didn't know. Yeah.

Oh, you hadn't seen the whole. series? No. No. No. I had like my one, you know, binge on an airplane, which didn't get through all eight episodes. I'm like halfway through. And then I was like, you know what? You watch this on an airplane? That's what I said. Tell me you weren't in first class. Oh, listen. Only because I was in a pod, because yes, I was traveling with my daughter and I had a pod so I could angle my iPad only towards me, but then that showed it to the rest of the plane, including the flight attendant. So, you know, You win some, you lose some. But I was like, everyone's watching this anyways.

I'm sure people walking by are like, hunting. They're like, oh, that part? Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. My sister yesterday showed me a photo on the New York subway of someone, a woman with it, with it like this on her knee.

Oh. Okay. Watching it the whole subway. Oh, my God. Yeah. But everyone knows. Everyone has watched it. And we've talked about this behind your back that we think you're so outstanding.

Outstanding. Like you're. Oh. You're so good. So good. You really? You were, and this is no distress. I'm obsessed with Kate.

Brittany, I know. All of them. I know a lot of people you work with and they're fantastic, but you really like blew me away. I was like, oh my God. Anyway, that was like my takeaway. Thank you, guys. It's true. Thank you.

She, you know, it is, she is, it's never, it's always more fun to play the baddie, right? Yeah. Always. I mean, that's just like the rule. I did, I did, um, this mini-season. series called Dope Sick. And I played Kathy Sackler, who is one of the founders of OxyCotton. She's a rotten human being. Okay. Everyone knows that. And truly, it was one of the, it was just as an artist, it's delectable. Sure. Right. Unfortunately, you know, I wish, I wish the Kathy Sacklers

of the world didn't exist. But then when you get to step in their shoes and try and, you know, really think differently outside of my own brain, that's why we act. I mean, Callie is a very, very different person than me. But to have to figure out how to empathize with her, how to fall in love with her, I really fell in love with her. Like, I can't wait to step back into her shoes for season two. That's right. Congratulations. That was just announced. That's so exciting. Very excited about that. Very, very excited. And the odd thing is the way it came off, because I wasn't that familiar with your history, where you were from, any of it.

I thought, oh, they plucked her straight from Texas. Texas. I really did. Well, Jamie Ray, Jamie Ray, you know. I was like they nailed her. They got her. That one, they got real. So it was surprising to find out your origin story. Take us through a little of it. How did you end up here? Okay, the very, very truncated story. So I'm from Detroit. Originally, I'm from Farmington Hills, Michigan, which is, you know, I had an idyllic childhood. But how I started acting is I, my dad, for my 10th birthday, is a surprise, woke me up on the morning of my 10th birthday and said, get in the car, we're going to the airport.

And I was like, oh, my God. And we flew to L.A. It was my first time ever being in L.A. And we were walking down Hollywood Boulevard and looking at all the handprints and whatever. And someone was handing out leaflets to go see a pilot being shot, like a sitcom. So fun. You know, to be an audience member. Yeah.

So much fun. Amazing. And I was, like, obsessed with the golden girls. You know, I was hoping to be. I love it. Right. And it turned out to be the pilot episode of Saved by the Bell. No way.

That's iconic. But it gets better. Oh, my God. Starring one of my childhood. Now, she and I debate this because I think she babysat for me, but she said she did not babysit for me. But we knew each other. Our families knew each other. Elizabeth Berkeley.

No way. Playing Jesse Spano. So my dad told like security, hey, we know each other from and got her mom and we got to go backstage like eat Sundays with Screech and Zach. You're living my childhood dream. It changed my life. And I was like, this is what I want to do for the rest of my goddamn life.

Yeah. Wow. It's at age 10. No, but that's huge. And they were like a year later, they were auditioning middle schoolers for a play, like a real equity theater in Michigan and Detroit. And it was an Israel Horowitz play. And I auditioned for it. And they called my parents and they said, there's a callback.

And they were like, for what? What is even a callback? And I got this part and, you know, five performances a week for two months or whatever in rehearsals. And I just was like, this is me. is me. And my parents were very firm. They said, they said, there's two people in this household with careers and you're not one of them. So I went to, I started at BU when they're at Boston University in their theater conservatory. I really didn't like the conservatory stick. So I transferred to Northwestern in Chicago. I was an English major. And I moved out to L.A., you know, right after that

and got on a soap opera. I got on General Hospital. It was my first job. Love it. And that was sort of, you know, that was my, that was, there, there I went. Yeah. So I feel very, very lucky. I work very, very hard. I'm also a producer. I produce with my husband. You know, that's a huge part of my life for, you know, over 10 years now.

But I also want to tell you that, that hunting wives being picked up for a second season is the first time I've ever gotten a second season. Wow. Really? And I've done many series. This is the, it was the first time. Congratulations. I've always been canceled after like 13 or never, ever. or whatever.

Sure. Oh, my God. No, you landed on the biggest show of the year, which is, but, you know, they always say that. It's like an overnight 20-year success, right? I moved to L.A. 25 years ago, September, 25 years ago. Wow. And I love you and Katie both do theater, right?

I mean, if I could kind of only do theater, but it pays five shekels, you know, a week. Yeah. Right, right, right, right. But she said, you guys, you've been in an acting class together forever. We, yes, that's sort of my theater fix. When I'm when my children are older, I'll, I'll go back to it. But I do. I've done a couple places at the Geffen. I did a play at the Atlantic about 10 years ago in New York. I really love theater. Same. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You guys love theater. Oh, yeah. I grew up doing theater like all through 20s. She grew up doing theater all through her. Well, high school. High school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I loved it. I had a great drama teacher. It really makes a difference. You know? Yeah. What, how do you guys feel about kids who are interested in like in acting?

I'm dealing with that. I'm dealing with that. I'm dealing with that. Yeah. I don't know how to feel. I keep saying then do theater. Join theater. Try it out.

And he's like, I want to do film and television. And I'm like, you're nine. Like, do they. Oh, my God. Wow. At nine. Nine. At nine.

You know, for me, like I grew up. I'm from here. And my dad's side of the family has been a, in the business since like my great-grandparents or whatever. So they were very, really? Yeah, not acting, but like everything behind the camera, director, writer, producer, you know, all that stuff. Wow, I didn't know that. So I grew up, you know, going to sets and being around the world, not the world, but that world. Around the world. I went around the world. I mean, a little bit. No. And then my parents were like, if you want to do this, you can do it once you're done with school. So they were very

firm, you know, but I did all the theater in high school. And that's when I was like, wait, no, I really do love this. And my dad's so funny. He, like, saw my play my senior year. He's like, you're kind of good at this. Why don't you just actually do it? And I was like, thanks. Thanks. Thanks a lot. But yeah, so they were very, very strict on. So they wouldn't get you an agent. Like they would, because I beg. You guys, I was at summer camp. Me too. Begging. I was, I went to Interlachan. I don't know if you guys know that's a, like, I've heard it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a shout out to Interlock and it's life-changing. Kids from, like all the, you know, art nerds from around the world gather there for eight weeks every summer.

Oh, wow. It's incredible. Maybe your son at some point. That's a great idea. That is a good. Eight weeks, though. Do you have to do eight weeks? I think, I think it's four or eight. I went for eight. You wear a uniform. I mean, Yo-Yo Ma teaches there. It's a girlman teaches there. It's really like an extraordinary place. And I have. have lifelong friends from there. But anyway, I remember going to a pay phone, because there were no cell phones back in the 90s, taking, taking coins. You guys, I called CAA. And I said, hey, I really want to act. Is there an agent I could talk to to represent me? Oh, my God. That's amazing, though. Look at you advocating for yourself. It's like a 13 or 14 years old. But I I think when a kid, but my parents, and I give them a lot of credit, they were like, no, you have a sibling. We're not uprooting our whole lives. So my 10-year-old can go, we're just not doing it.

Yeah. And I look at sets. And listen, we've worked with children before. I've worked with many children before. Sets are an adult environment. You know, you have to be very, very protective over your child to maintain a childhood. So are playgrounds nowadays, though. What? Just saying. What do you mean? Really? I'm just saying that things, yes, the things my nine-year-old is dealing with at school, I'm like,

this is so far beyond what nine-year-olds should be dealing with. Anyways. Well, that's the fucking world. That's the world. That's the world. That's the internet and social media. Yeah. Well, yeah.

They're growing up in a very different world than we did just because of that. Wait, so Rachel, when you were 18. Did you say, this is what I want to do, like, peace out? So I say I went, in quotes, went to college. I went to a city college in San Diego, but I was driving back up for auditions once I graduated. And then I wasn't really going to class. My dad was like, what? I'm not going to pay for you to party, you know?

Well, hi, dad. I know. I'm like, what do you mean? Isn't that what college is for? But that's when I started auditioning. And then heavily into commercials was first. But my first series regular. role that I got was the OC, which was crazy. Oh, my gosh. See, you and I are the opposite ends of the

spectrum. Yeah. I mean, wow. Yeah, it was insane. But, you know, it was a much different thing. And I was so young, but I had also grown up around so much of it. So it wasn't like, I don't know. It was an interesting journey for me, for sure. But how many seasons did you guys do? Only four. It was only four. Really? Yeah. I say four seasons and so I come. I know, but it's like it's so, you know, it's so in the zeitgeist. Yeah, only four. I know it's funny because like people now are, I guess, are discovering it, which is so crazy to think, oh, my God, that was like 20, whatever, two years ago, I think.

I think they said, someone wrote in and was like, you can get it on Amazon. So that's how everyone's getting it. Oh, on Amazon. Yeah. Got it. I don't know. I don't know. That's where it's streaming.

But yeah, it's just interesting to see people discover it after all this time. You have a son or a daughter? I have a daughter. Has she seen you in anything? Has she seen... Well, I'm definitely not letting her watch the O.C. That's for sure. Has she seen anything? I'm trying to... I don't know if she's seen anything. I feel like I could show her an episode. I was on a show called Heart of Dixie, which is very, like, you know, cozy vibe.

Oh, with Beth Schwartz. With Beth Schwartz. Best Schwartz did do Heart of Dixie. Yes, that's right. Yeah. That was like the first thing you said. That's right. I think that she and I were living together. She and I were living together when she was on Heart of Dixie. No way. Oh, my God. That's so weird. Wow, yeah. That was so long ago because the last season I was pregnant with my daughter and she's about to be 11. Crazy. Wow. Oh, my God. I'm going to, you guys are going to have to be my mentors through. My kids, they're almost six. Sorry, almost seven and almost six. Like in a week. They're. Oh, my gosh. Two girls. Two girls. That close in age, too. 13 months. 13 months apart. Wow. Twins. Wasn't planned. Or was. Long complicated story.

Got it. She's like, has anyone talked to you about the birds and the bees? Well, and my almost six-year-old was born at 25 weeks. She was a micro baby, as they called them. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Were you guys NICU a long time? Oh, 80 days in the NICU.

Wow. How long was Shepin? My son was in 30 days, and that felt like. 30 days, okay. That felt like an eternity. So 80 days is crazy. Wow. Was he born premature? Did he? No, he just had he had health issues. Like he couldn't breathe on his own. So he and he was only four pounds. But, you know, those NICUs will change your life. Right? It was. I, we still, every birthday I call Dr. Karen Lipski

at Children's Hospital, at Sunrise Children's Hospital. She was born in Vegas. It's a, it's a, As I said, it's a long story. But I mean, Karen Lipski, shout out to her because she is the reason that I have a normal, healthy, amazing, robust six-year-old. Wow. Yeah, no, it's nuts. That's crazy that you went through that. There was a 23-week preemie next to Mila who is fine.

Wow. Normal today. Wow. That's crazy. It is crazy. That was hard for me. I remember, oh, that was so hard. Is because Shepard, my son, he wasn't a pre-me, there was something wrong with him. He had something called interuterine growth restriction.

So he stopped growing. And I remember everybody had these, like, stories that they'd called to tell me, oh, so-and-so was a pre-me. And they're great. And so-and-so was a pre-me, and they're great. And I remember being like, but we don't know. And like when you're in that moment, oh my God. Even though you can hear other people and be like, that's great. But we don't know that yet.

That was hard. And I'm sure you can identify with that as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the unknown is the scariest thing for a parent. Oh, my God. I mean, just on Friday night.

My husband and I were coming home at like 11 p.m. Mila, the babysitter was like about to leave and Mila, my almost six year old, gets out of bed going, oh God, she had croup, terrible poop. My husband did the oxygen. She was at 84%. We called 911.

The ambulance came. The ambulance driver was like, move over, sir. I may need to resuscitate her. I was like, what is going on? And I was like, why did we have kids? Why did we have kids? I mean. Why do we torture ourselves?

It's absolute torture. Well, I think we live in the- Yeah. It's the most glorious thing and then it's torture. Yeah, it's both. It's, I can't. I'm like we, I know, I live close to Katie. So if you're anywhere by there, I've got oxygen tanks if you ever need.

I'm like, we keep it at the house because Shepard will go low like that. And we will put oxygen on them. How often do you, have you called 911 before? No. Well, my husband is. a physician, so he knows when we got to go. But then we also... I've never heard you say he's a physician. I know, because you say doctor so many times, got it. So then we got to the point where we're like, if we go to emergency, they're just going to put oxygen on him and monitor him. So we got the

monitors at home and the oxygen. That's very smart. But they did give her a giant shot injection of steroids. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember my daughter having croup when she was a baby, though. And that's the only time where it was that serious where we had to go to the emergency room. It's so scary. But I think it's the final vestige because it's kind of old for a five-year-old to have crew. It is. I think it's sort of the final vestige of her being born, like the lungs are the final thing to develop. Anyway, that's when I'm, because she's a normal kid in every other way.

But when she gets a cold, you know, it goes into her, like it constricts her airways. That's the same with her son. Well, yes. We can offline about this, Olivia. Yeah, I got you. Yeah. People want to talk about the hunting wives, not about... Yeah, let's talk about those female sex scenes.

We're not pegging. Let's talk about pegging. Wait, there is, isn't there in the show? Did I not get there? She didn't get to the pegging. Okay, I'll get there. I will finish it. We won't talk about who pegs.

Don't tell me who pegs. I'm not telling you. I just know, you know, Katie, you know. Whatever. I don't know who killed her, though. She knows. knows she didn't finish it. I didn't finish it. Rachel, I know. That is negligence. It is negligent. I know. I know. And you can get mad. I agree. But I fall asleep with my daughter

every night like an asshole, you know, by 9 o'clock. And I have no time for me. She's also not an addict. And this is proof of that. Because there's no way I could let that show sit. Like, I'd be, I'd be like canceling things. Like, I got a I got things to do. You know? Like, I've You've got to finish the show. I can't go on with that. She's doing that. She, like, any time and she'll binge and, like, even she, she, like, barters with her husband to do things so she can watch, what's it called? The summer it turned pretty. Yeah, that one. That's her later. I haven't, I have yet to see that. I know. I'm not really a binger either. Like, I'm more, I'm kind of more of a movie person. I know. But I just have time to get through, like, 12 episodes of something, to get through, like, five seasons of something. I just don't have, that would take me months and months. and months. When my kids get older, it's a different story. But right now, I just don't. That's the only time I can actually like, that is true. Long airplane ride. Back and forth to Charlotte. You know, that's how I watch Succession. I had never seen a single episode of Succession. And I binge the whole thing going back and forth to Charlotte last year. There you go. How good is it? Yeah. Are you guys

going back to Charlotte? We'll be there again. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, soon. I think in November we go back. That's so exciting. Yeah. Yeah. They want a summer release. baby, summer release. Wow. That's amazing. Did you wear a wig, too? Or was your hair long? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

What do we think about? What do we think? We're debating now. We talked about it before. Yeah, what do you think? It did not look like a wig on you. No. Are you not?

No. You're talking about you or I thought you're talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Talking about, I know Malin is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. I didn't know yours was a wig at all. No. Yours looked real.

Hers, we knew. Yeah, we've all talked. But I think that Malin's, you know, they'll, they'll step it up. But I think that Callie, I kind of feel like the bob is a little, you know, East coastal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is. I feel like Callie is all about her hair.

I like the hair on her. I do. It goes with the whole vibe, you know. Unless, I don't know, there is something Texas about a Bob. What? No? No. Not like current day Texas?

You're saying like what day Texas? like now. I feel like Netflix needs to take a poll. Yeah. Why don't we take a poll? We're going to take a poll on this too. Take a poll. Yeah.

Wigger no wig for Callie season two. Yeah. I'm leaning towards Wig. I think that it's just maybe we like add pieces and make it like flowier instead of that straight. Like we can have a little bit of a makeover, but no. I like the straight. Yeah.

It's the whole aesthetic. It goes with the structure of the character. It just does. You've heard it from Olivia's first. You know, you guys nailed it the first time. Mullen's a little work. We know this. That's okay.

She's stunning. Nobody cares. She's the most gorgeous inside and out, by the way. Like, you know, it's so rare to be on a show. First of all, that's all women. I mean, usually I'm the only girl. Yeah. That's how it was for many, many years.

but not only that, listen, all of us have been doing this a long time. We are all grateful for the job. And there was not a bad apple amongst the group. Everyone was lovely. We're all friends outside of it. We all get dinners outside of it. We have like group texts that we're nonstop every day texting with each other. So it's a very, very unique situation this show.

And that it's popular. Like usually everyone hates each other and the show goes great, you know, does well. or everyone loves each other and no one watches it. And it goes away. What do you think about that as far as putting that group of women together, how that works? Because you do hear a lot that women and men are very competitive with each other. And then there's little microcosms of that where they're not and they're really supportive and everyone kind of shows up and loves and celebrates each other.

What do you think that mix is to be that kind of person? I think it's the luck of the draw. Yeah. You know, I think I think you just get lucky. I mean, it starts with Rebecca, with our showrunner, you know, who sort of lays the ground, the infrastructure. We had all female directors. We, you know, I think it's just that. It's just ladies coming together who've just been doing this for a real, a long time and who are grateful to have yummy, delicious writing and have fun with each other. other. There was never a complaint. Like, never. I mean, we were shooting at night. Fratter days all the time. Like, yeah, we were fucking tired, but just, like, joyful about it. Yeah. Wow. That's very cool. I just don't know that I could be joyful. She doesn't like being cold. She's like, I heard night times. Anytime I read something, I'm like, how many night exteriors are there? Yeah. Rachel, you need to finish the show and then we need to talk.

I know. Now that's all I want to do. I'm like, do I have time before school pickup? Just go home and finish it. I still have a few to go. You got to finish it. I know. It's kind of like that thing that you know and it's just like there and you're like, I know I have to get to this.

So that's the difference between being an addict and being normal and it's like savoring that chocolate you have left in your cupboard. That's what she's doing. Like she knows it's there and she's going to get to. I do have seize candy at my house right now. The ones I got you for your birthday? Actually, yes. But I also have new ones. Is wrong with you.

I know. She downs the whole box in like. Oh, well, see, I'm like the only thing that I'm, that I have, you know, addict behavior around is sugar. But I'm very good about giving it to myself every day. Like I've learned that about myself. Yeah. If I say, you know, you're not allowed it or, you know, whatever, I'll just eat and, you know,

giant portions of it if I think I'm not allowed it. So that's how I sort of control my, my, uh, but drugs and alcohol sort of, I'm, I'm lucky in that way. I have many, many friends who are in recovery for, you know, but I don't give a shit about drugs and alcohol, but my fucking salt and straw, don't you touch my Susie cakes. Get your hands off my Susie cakes. This is her. Okay. Really? Oh, yeah. I'm at Salt and Straw McConnell's like three, four days a week. She really does. It's embarrassing. I'm not.

What do you think about the new one? There's two new ones. There's Frito. Yes, I've been to all of them. El Baco or whatever right on the corner there. I love them all. The gelato places. I love them all.

How do you feel? I'm a salt and straw purist. I need like ice cream. I can't do gelato. It's just not substantial enough for me. But I will say that McConnell's has the Seas Candy collab. They do. Do I need to try that?

Is that insane? So the California Brittle sees Candy McConnell's is perfect. It's perfect. Okay. Okay. I may go today. It's not always there, though. So I can always alert you.

There's certain people I will alert when it's there. I'm like, it's there. Wait, that's so good. Oh, my God. Rachel. I sent her. This is how crazy. Like there's like a promo that it's Mary sees's birthday.

And you can get a deal on C-Sk candy during these certain days because it's her birthday. Yeah, I started getting embarrassed when I went into C's because I'm like, I'm asking for the samples and she knows, and I know, I've tried that one because I tried it last week. I know. I always asked for the sample. I literally was here two days ago with that and you're the same server, but can I try it? Yeah. What do you get at salt and straw? I know that was my question because don't they have like artisanal flavors? Yeah. Yeah. Um, and those are, your, yeah,

it's like, yeah, it's like sexual, isn't it? Yeah. I'm sexual. I love their salted, malted cookie dough. Yeah.

It's insane. Um, but like, the, the monthlies can be damn good. Like, right now they have like a, I don't know, but I'm a, like, I need chocolate. Me too. Um, I need like a chunky chocolatey.

And I, I battled the sweet tooth for many years and was really, really, and I try raising my, because I have two daughters, you know, I try to really say to them, like, you can eat whatever you want. You should have a meal first because you'll feel better eating it. And we should probably only have it on the weekends. Like, let's really make it special. And we just, we have this thing, like we go to salt and straw. We sit in the car. I don't try. We all eat our ice creams like in silence together just so we can enjoy it. I say, we call it the just to enjoy. I love.

And I think it's really, really important that they, like, feel it in their body, that they, that they, like, savour it, that it's not, there's no, there's just pure enjoyment around it and there's no shame around it. Zero. You know? Yeah. I think that's healthy. I never say the word fat. I never say the word, you know, I never talk about body shaming. Never. Like, I, I love my body. I enjoy my body. My body is there to enjoy food. Yeah. And that's like the message of the household. That's so great. I mean, Especially this day, like we were talking about social media and everything and you're raising daughters and like all of that. And I talk about this with friends of mine too, which is like you don't put anything on any of it. Like let them enjoy their food. Like whatever they want because it's just gotten to a point that's just so crazy with everything on social media. But it is important. I mean, I wish I was more like you. What's your philosophy around sugar? Like what's your I was just going to say like I'm so like. I'm so like. I'm so. I'm. Like, I'm so. I'm. I'm. I'm so. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I You know, like my daughter definitely gets a treat after dinner, you know, every day for the most part.

I will be like if she was at a party and had cake, I'll be like, we're not going to have it after dinner now. Because you know, you had a lot of treats today. Like, I definitely am not super, you know, crazy in that way. But we are, wait, I'm pretty relaxed. I'm not shaming myself for being so laxed. I'm very lax about it. I think that it's about. balance. Like you said, they're having a good dinner. They're eating their protein and vegetables.

And the difference is they're not having crazy huge portions of it. They're having a little treat after dinner. Totally, totally, totally. Totally fine. Who cares? Totally fine. Yeah. I have a question for you guys. Yeah. Being a parent is really hard. I feel like that's a comment. It's really hard. when they start to have feelings. Oh, it's the hardest. Why weren't we warned? Why didn't our, I think, you know what I think? Well, I'm, you know, I was 40 when our first daughter was born.

My mom was like 25. She doesn't remember. Wow. And she wasn't working like we're working. Yeah. She doesn't, you know, like my nanny would, in a normal world, you know, 50 years ago, my nanny would be my daughter. And my daughter would be my grandchild.

Right. Totally. Right. Which is crazy. It's hard. Last night my son brought something up and I was like I don't really, nobody teaches us how to navigate this. You know, he brought up, he said, I wonder if I can say this. It's not a big deal. But he said he was sometimes when he plays with his friends or on the playground or doing different things, he goes, sometimes I just feel this overwhelming feeling of sadness. And it's for no reason. and I'm pretending to have fun, but I'm not. And I was like, oh, my God. Oh, no. Oh, my God. I was like, dude. Like, what do you say to that? I was like, I felt that so many times.

You know? So what did you help to educate me? Because I'm sure I will be there at some point. I have felt that so many times. I said it's really natural that feeling you're feeling I said, and the cool thing is, is that you can express it and that you're sharing that with me and we can talk about it because it's really normal to feel that way. There's a lot of times we're going to be in situations where we're not really feeling it. And but he was like, and then he named all these things.

And I said, so I don't think you're feeling sad for no reason, actually. If we look at all these things, like that makes sense that you would feel that way, you know? And I said, and you don't need to talk to your friends about it if you don't feel comfortable. you've got us. And, you know, and I said, and you also don't need to pretend if you want to get up and walk around or move. You don't have to pretend to be having fun if you're not. It was hard.

I was like, I don't want to fuck this moment up right now. Dr. Becky, step aside. You know? That was amazing. Oh, she's very good. I need to, I need to, I need to transcribe that. That was so beautifully handled. Oh, thank you.

Because I was like, did I, I don't know what to do in those situations. gorgeous what you said that is like perfect I would want to hear that if I was nine he's nine your son nine yeah it's all of it I take notes all the time though whenever she talks but like she'll say it and then she can't say it again so anything everyone listening if you want to that's true you have to like that's some dockey dr. Becky shit right there but it's hard right because it's all first as a parent like as a friend it's easy for me to support you but then when it's kid, you're like, I think what's so cool is like people are so much more aware now of validating your child's feelings no matter what they are, right? Like if they're. That's true. Right.

Not trying to change. You know, like, you're okay. You're fine. But it's like, no, I see that you're not fine. I see that you feel sad or I see that you're angry. And I understand. I can feel angry. And I get mad. You know what I mean? So I just like that it's kind of like this more open dialogue of not trying, because we all did it. Like, no, you're fine, you're fine. Or try and change it. Like, here are things that'll make you feel better. Here's some solutions.

Or a solution or whatever. But instead of just letting them sit in it and sit in it with them, which is like, you know, sometimes it's hard. It's really hard. I know. And, like, my daughter was so disappointed the other morning. And I was like, I totally get it. What happened?

Because we couldn't go to a friend's house for breakfast when I told her we could because, Anyway, it's a long, boring story. What's your phone, what's the tech situation with you guys? I'm very strict. Well, I say that. My daughter has only had iPads on airplanes since she was, you know, able to use them. I'm very, I'm more strict. I'm not about TV.

She can watch TV shows, but I'm way more strict about iPads. I'm in a bad situation. Does your son have a phone? Tell me, he's nine-year-old doesn't have a phone. No, no, no, no, no. Never, never. But he has a girlfriend. A girlfriend? She's got another boyfriend.

Again? She's back. I don't know what's going on. This is really the show. This is the episode. If you guys could see the text exchanges, she texts Olivia's phone, though. He doesn't have a phone. He doesn't have a phone. He doesn't have a phone. But they face time. Does he have an iPad? He has an iPad, but he can't text on his iPad. So if he wants to communicate with this girl, he's not.

He has to use my phone. So I can read it. He has to do it on my computer. So I can see it on my phone as it's happening in real time. But they're FaceTiming. A lot. Wait, can I tell you what I'm doing now? I think I've told you this.

I have a landline and I'm getting like an old school phone. I heard about this. Yeah, yeah. It's just like an old school, but a regular one. And so Breyer can call and just talk to her friends. So there's no digital distraction. There's no. I like that.

Oh, yeah, we're doing that. If you get one, she can call out. that. I see that on Instagram now. A lot of people are going back to landlines. It's amazing. It's perfect. Well, you're present. And you're listening. And you're not distracted and there's no face time and there's no like filters and there's no anything. And they're literally just like what we did. Call and talk on the phone. What would you do in that situation if your nine year olds had a boyfriend and they want a face time? Because you're like, I don't want to be a jerk and like push too hard and have him resist and resent me and not be open. in. It's a, it's hard. I would probably put a time limit on it. I would say, here you know,

here's 10 minutes. I'm setting a timer. And when it goes off, we'll say bye, but enjoy. She's laughing. These 10 minutes have the best time. Because they face time for two hours. Girl, you got to put a timer on that. Two hours. No, you need a timer. I was like, dude, they're falling in love. She's like, I don't want to mess this up for him. You're like, am I a grandmother? Like, is this happening? I can be a grandmother? I'm so scared, you guys. I know, seriously. There's nine-year-olds getting there periods, Olivia.

You better watch out. That's, I know. It's true. That girl is, like, well beyond her years. Let me tell you. I've seen her videos. I would say a time limit, you know, two hours. Maybe you say, today we're doing a half an hour.

Yeah. I've been doing not on the weekdays. Oh. Now I started that yesterday. I'm doing good. Okay, no weekdays. A parent told me that, like, or maybe I read this somewhere, that if you can hold on to the no technology in the bedroom, I don't know how you do that. Because kids do homework with technology, but no technology in the bedroom, like that, like ever, ever, ever, ever.

Because, I mean, I never had a TV in my bedroom. I never had. Yeah. But I don't know if homework is now done on computers or, you know, my kids are still doing the, you know. It's still, yeah, handwritten. You know what? A little bit. This is not really helpful, maybe.

but like I've given my daughter every night like a certain depending on what time we get home or finish dinner or whatever and I'll have her set a timer and it's her free time but it's screen free time so she has like her free time to do whatever she wants right but it's like a routine that we've created right before bedtime oh before bedtime yeah sorry yeah so like let's say it's 730 I'm like okay set your timer for 30 minutes you have 30 minutes to just and like she's been loving it and being creative I walked in her bedroom the other night and she's she had a birthday There was a birthday party. It was like a spa birthday party. I walked in her room. She was laying on her couch with eye gels on her eyes in her robe and her like towel headband just laying there with like soft music or it was like Taylor Swift's playing. Just like laying in her bed. I love that. On her couch. I was dying. I know. It was really cute. Anyway, that's what we've been doing.

Yeah. When there's about boundary times. I think the kids really thrive in boundaries time. That's what I'm noticing. It's routine. And it's like. Routine. Oh, yeah. Bounty, right? We were just in, we spent the summer in Canada, and we had a wonderful nanny with us. And I basically just took the exact same, and the girls went to camp. And I took the exact same structure that we have here, the exact same one. And like just grafted it over Canada. Just moved it. Same bedtime, same dinner time, same breakfast, same everything.

And like, I know that we can go anywhere with this, this, like, you know, schedule. And it just works. And the kids know exactly what's coming next. So that's been helpful for us. I love that. That is really nice. Yeah, that is helpful. This is a whole new journey.

This is brand new. So I kind of not non. I haven't known how to navigate it. No, I wouldn't either because, well, I mean, yeah. Yeah. Very young. I was very much into boys and stuff. But we didn't have a base time.

How old were you when you had to? How old were you when you had your daughter? When I had my daughter, I was, how old was I when Briar was born? 33? I mean, I just, I just think that not, you know, the last couple generations, I mean, I was raised with my parents were in their 20s. I had all my cousins with me, all four grandparents. Like, I was just around family and both my parents were the youngest of multiple siblings. So they just got all the greatest knowledge from, you know, that trickled down. Yeah. My cousin's baby sat me. my, and I have none of that.

I just have my mom, thank God, my mom is here. My mom lives in L.A. I'm so, so, so lucky. But, like, my husband's parents aren't here. They don't have any cousins here. They don't have any aunts and uncles here. My sister lives in New York. You know, when she comes, it's like I'm just soaking her in.

Yeah. But my support is so limited. It's basically I pay for everyone. Yeah. You know, babysitters, nannies. I just, and Instagram. Instagram is my greatest resource of parenting. It's it.

Yeah. I just learn from other parents posting stuff. Some of it is bullshit and some of it is great. Listen, you pick and choose what's right for you. Right. But I mourn the loss of the village, the perver real village, because I think we're the first, like the last couple generations or the first in all of humanity in the hundreds of thousands of years, Homelessapians have been alive, that we don't have the village.

And I feel it. Me too. I feel what you're saying, that I'm just out to see. I don't know anything. I am building the plane as I fly it. And I feel bad for my kids. I know. Because they are on the receiving end.

And it's a very, it brings me to my knees. Every day it brings me to my knees. But I wonder, because your parents were so young. So yes, they had the great wisdom trickled down on them. But at a certain point, they were. doing the same thing, right? And look at how you turned out. I think that they were wonderful parents. I think that because they were so young raising kids professionally, that sort of, not to go back seat, but like you're so in the weeds, whereas I did it opposite. I had a whole professional life.

Yeah. And then had kids. So, you know, you just can't have, you just can't have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we talk about the village thing all the time. And I mean, we're both lucky, though, We grew up here and we have our family here. Oh, yeah, you're really lucky. Very lucky. But I cling to my mom with two hands and her partner, her partner who, you know, who I just love the two of them so much and are so grateful. But they, but they, they're only two people and they're also like in their 70s.

So my grandparents were in their 50s when I was born. Right. My husband's in his 50s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah. Annie should be my kid. Right. It's so weird. It's so it has. It's changed so much. Yeah. I do believe like you were saying, we're the first to go through this.

And I think that we're the first generation really suffering from it as well. Because we do need village. It's written in our DNA. We need each other. And we live in our little boxes and live our independent lives and pay for support. You know? Even we hired my nephew now as the boy's babysitter. Oh, that's great.

It's so cool. Oh, no, not good. No, it's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing. Because I'm like, look at this. Like, this is who should be helping them swim. This is who should be helping them with their homework. That feels like the first, like, little step in that for the first time in a look.

Because we always paid other people. And now I'm like, why wouldn't we use? our family. But also how great for your nephew to be with his cousin, you know, and the responsibility of that. And like, that's how it should be. Younger with older, older with younger. Like, that's Does your sister have kids? Do they have cousins? No. My husband's sister has two little kids, almost exactly our kids. But my sister lives in New York, has a very fancy career and is looking. So if you know and wonderful. Oh, okay. Seriously, we need to offline about this because she introduced me to my husband. She wants, she wants, she wants, she wants one child. She is the most amazing human being

on earth. Such a catch. Gorgeous has she worked, she's the head of PR for Canada goose. Oh, wow. Amazing. Amazing. Oh, yeah. She was at Netta Porte. Oh, yeah. She was at Netta Porte for a decade. That's amazing. And now she's a Canada goose, very cool fashionista and is looking for her guy. So if you guys know anyone single and wonderful in New York. And she works virtually. No, she's virtual. She's virtual because they're out of Toronto. So she's traveling all the time. Like, I love Canada. I'm just putting that out there. Yeah. Let's find her someone good. I know. I'm like, I love those jackets. Yeah. Let's get a jacket out of this situation. We got to a husband. Why? Lifetime. You introduced her to her husband. Life time. I'm saying right now, that time,

I'm going up. I like this. That's where. It's worth it. I'm on it now. Yeah. Anyone listening? If you are, what's the age range? Yeah. What are we looking for? You know, 40 to 55, let's say.

Okay. And I think she'd be great with someone who's already been married, even has kids. Like, I think that she would be an amazing stepmom. I love that. Okay. Kevin's listening too. Yeah, Kevin. I'll spread the word.

Anyway, guys, I got to go. Yes. It was so nice talking to you. Yeah, this was wonderful. Thank you so much. And I'm going to finish the show and you're going to be hearing for me. I forgot we were doing a podcast. Rachel, Rachel, you need to reach out to me after you finish it because I'm going to. I'm going to let's talk, okay? I know I'm sure I'm going to have many things to say.

Olivia knows what I'm talking about. I'll see you at Salt and Straw. McConnell's. Let me know when the candy is the sea's candy. I sure will. I will not forget. She'll be there today. Don't worry. Yeah, I'll text you later. So much fun, you guys. Have a great day. That was a headgum podcast.